Hastert: Foley Misconduct Was Presented As Something That ‘Might Have Affected Campaigns’
Hastert: Foley Misconduct Was Presented As Something That ‘Might Have Affected Campaigns’
Rep. Tom Reynolds (R-NY), chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, says he told Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) of Mark Foley’s inappropriate emails early this year.
In an interview today with CNN, Hastert said that Reynolds presented him with information about Foley’s behavior in the context of “other things that might have affected campaigns”:
REPORTER: Congressman Reynolds put out a statement on Saturday saying that he told you in the spring. Do you think he’s lying?
HASTERT: No, I’m not saying. I just don’t recall him telling me that. If he would have told me that, he would have told me that in the context of maybe a half a dozen or a dozen other things. I don’t remember that.
REPORTER: Other allegations of improper e-mails?
HASTERT: No, just other things that might have affected campaigns.
Watch it:
Transcript:
REPORTER: Just a few moments ago when I sat down with Speaker Hastert, I asked him the question on the minds of many: what did he know, and when did he know it?
(Video)
HASTERT: First I was really aware of this was last Friday when it happened, and all of a sudden the press came out and said that there were these e-mails that were from 2003, I guess, and congressman Foley resigned. That’s when I learned of it at that point.
REPORTER: All right, but I thought that you were also notified - I mean, Tom Reynolds said that he spoke with you about it last spring.
HASTERT: You know, I don’t recall Reynolds talking to me about that. If he did, he brought it in with a whole stack of things, and I think if he would have had that discussion, he would have said it was also resolved because my understanding now that it was resolved at that point. The family had gotten what it wanted to get.
REPORTER: I mean, Congressman Reynolds put out a statement on Saturday saying that he told you in the spring. Do you think he’s lying?
HASTERT: No, I’m not saying. I just don’t recall him telling me that. If he would have told me that, he would have told me that in the context of maybe a half a dozen or a dozen other things. I don’t remember that.
REPORTER: Other allegations of improper e-mails?
HASTERT: No, just other things that might have affected campaigns.
REPORTER: Ok. This is the kind of thing, I gotta tell you, if somebody told me that a senior congressman was sending, perhaps, over-friendly e-mails to a 16-year-old page, I’d remember.
HASTERT: I’m just saying that I don’t remember him telling me that.
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So they have all learned to avoid being labeled “liar” by claiming that they have no recollection, they don’t recall, they don’t remember, and so on, a la Alberto Gonzales.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:09 pmHastert told A. Koppel on CNN that he only learned of the e-mails on Friday. Reynolds specifically said he told Hastert about them months ago.
Douchebags…the ONLY thing they’re concerned about is the campaign…more rethuglican bullshit.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:10 pmOh….so it was because of politics that Hastert decided to sacrifice our children? Playing politics over the safety of minors has no place in the high offices of the US government. Out with Hastert and now!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:10 pmHastert also looked like a lying, bumbling imbecile and if this was his best “show”, then it’s clear that his senile dementia leaves no room for him to continue in office. “can’t remember”…..yeah, right! If he can’t recall something this significant (something this criminal) then I suspect that proves that he trivializes such things….either way….he’s toast!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:12 pmI live in Western New York state & our local news announced that Tom Reynolds will be holding a press conference at 7:15pm today (Monday) in Amherst, NY.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:12 pmBetter shut the heck up fatty, or your big butt’s gonna be in jail soon.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmThis is Exhibit A of Republican mediocrity at best and criminal malfeasance at worst.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmthis guy is toast.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmResign, Denny. Your services are no longer needed…you hack.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pmThere is no consideration for the real vicitms here: teenagers.
The new DNC campaign slogan should be, “Make no distinction between the pederasts and those who harbor them.”
Meanwhile - on WABC radio, Sean Hannity is feverishly digging up as many sex scandals as he can involving minors and democrats.
What’s equally as criminal as Foley’s sexual harrassment and endangering a child is the fact that there are those holding public office who knew and did nothing about it.
Vote the GOP out this Nov.
This isn’t a party for working families, for average Americans, or for our children - this is a party that protects the creeps and corporate cronies eager for obscene power and global domination, at any expense.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pmIn trying to defend himself he admits that Republican campaigns are more important than America’s children! This is not going to sit well with America’s parents.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:20 pmKKKarl Rove - Best October Surprise - EVER!
Dennis Hastert is done.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:20 pmSame with Condi “Gap” Rice…
She was ADAMANT that Clinton left NO COMPREHENSIVE strategy (even though her address to Congress refutes that)…
But was UNABLE TO RECALL the conversation about one of the most significant events in U.S. history…
How convenient???
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pm#5….Can’t wait to hear what Reynolds has to say since he has refused to be the fall guy. I hope he names names! I hope he is the “Deep Throat” (so to speak) in this scandal!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmMeanwhile - on WABC radio, Sean Hannity is feverishly digging up as many sex scandals as he can involving minors and democrats.
Comment by Rob+9-11+Truth+seeker — October 2, 2006 @ 6:15 pm
As a pacifist, there are few people I would like to smack. Sean Hannity is a rare exception. I can’t stand smug patronization from people who are 110% WRONG.
Someone should ask him when did two wrongs start making a right?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmIn trying to defend himself he admits that Republican campaigns are more important than America’s children! This is not going to sit well with America’s parents.
Comment by Republicans Are The Fear And Smear Party
I guess that’s why he took down his links to Helping Children Stay Safe on the Internet.
Hypocrite scumbag.
Resign.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmDo us (America) all a favor.
If they spend all their time covering up, spinning, dining with business men and lobbyists, 45 million dollar smear campaigns, are weak on Child Safety does anyone still think these Neo-cons are not weak on National Security?
I wouldn’t trust my dog with these Bozos.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:26 pmThis is not going to sit well with America’s parents.
Comment by Republicans Are The Fear And Smear Party — October 2, 2006 @ 6:20 pm
I truly hope not.
I’m just not convinced they’ll get it. An administrator at my school who has a phD said, in a group of adults, that this country was founded on Christian principals as if it were a fact… and everyone but me agreed by throwing out incorrect facts such as the pledge saying “one nation under god”. I had to explain that it didn’t before 1953 when Congress put it there during out fight with the boogeyman Communism. These are highly educated people who do not think for themselves, how can we expect the average American?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:27 pmUnbelievable,
I believe the sentence you are looking for is:
“Gandhi would have smacked you upside the head.”
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:28 pmHe’s a day late and a dollar shy =)
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:28 pm“I hope he is the “Deep Throat†(so to speak) in this scandal!”
Comment by Republicans+Are+The+Fear+And+Smear+Party
Eeewww!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmSo much for the party of family values . . .
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:31 pmLook, Busby didn’t win in the CA-50 district in which Duke Cunningham resigned, was indicted, convicted and jailed on corruption. Reps accept responsibility for their actions, and that satiates the Reps in those districts. Outside of that district, it doesn’t register at all.
I understand you won’t hear me now, but after Nov. 7, you can review my teachings, and drink in the wisdom.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:31 pmOT, Well, kinda-sorta,
S.C. Official: Sterilize Bad Parents
And the hits just keep coming from the whacked-out “Right.”
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pm#13 - Same with Condi “Gap†Rice…
She was ADAMANT that Clinton left NO COMPREHENSIVE strategy (even though her address to Congress refutes that)…
But was UNABLE TO RECALL the conversation about one of the most significant events in U.S. history…
How convenient???
Not to derail this thread, but providing additional information here…
[from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 09/ 30/ AR2006093000282.html ]
Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice
Sunday, October 1, 2006; Page A17
On July 10, 2001, two months before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet met with his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, at CIA headquarters to review the latest on Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist organization. Black laid out the case, consisting of communications intercepts and other top-secret intelligence showing the increasing likelihood that al-Qaeda would soon attack the United States. It was a mass of fragments and dots that nonetheless made a compelling case, so compelling to Tenet that he decided he and Black should go to the White House immediately.
Tenet called Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, from the car and said he needed to see her right away. There was no practical way she could refuse such a request from the CIA director…
…Tenet had the NSA review all the intercepts, and the agency concluded they were of genuine al-Qaeda communications. On June 30, a top-secret senior executive intelligence brief contained an article headlined “Bin Laden Threats Are Real.”
Tenet hoped his abrupt request for an immediate meeting would shake Rice. He and Black, a veteran covert operator, had two main points when they met with her. First, al-Qaeda was going to attack American interests, possibly in the United States itself. Black emphasized that this amounted to a strategic warning, meaning the problem was so serious that it required an overall plan and strategy. Second, this was a major foreign policy problem that needed to be addressed immediately. They needed to take action that moment — covert, military, whatever — to thwart bin Laden…
…Afterward, Tenet looked back on the meeting with Rice as a tremendous lost opportunity to prevent or disrupt the Sept. 11 attacks. Rice could have gotten through to Bush on the threat, but she just didn’t get it in time, Tenet thought. He felt that he had done his job and had been very direct about the threat, but that Rice had not moved quickly. He felt she was not organized and did not push people, as he tried to do at the CIA.
Black later said, “The only thing we didn’t do was pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head.”…
For a bunch of business CEOs, these Republicans don’t know the first thing about how to set priorities to be successful in their jobs.
Rice, Rove, Rumsfeld, Darth Cheney, Emperor George ALL need to be impeached. NOW!!!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pmWell was it politics when FOLEY made this comment:
“It’s vile. It’s more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction” - Mark Foley on Bill Clinton’s history of sexual harassment in September 1998.
My how the tables have turned!!! Hypocrisy at its best!!!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pm#18….that is scary. Educated people who think that the Constitution is based on the Bible? And adults who didn’t know that “under god” wasn’t in the original pledge of allegiance? It shows that more and more people, even educated people, wait to hear what the religious nuts have to say before they decide what to think or what to believe. This is not America.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pm#22 - So much for the party of family values . . .
Amen! sister.
Funny how the party of Superior Morality and Religious Nut Values falls on it’s own ideologic bile.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:35 pmBreak out the ginko for the republicans……poor Condi and Dennis…. Remember what happened to the last republican who used “I don’t recall?” Eventually ,he couldn’t. Karma is a harsh mistress.
Wonder who will get slelective memory next?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:35 pmGOP- Group of Pedophiles or Gaurd online pedophiles
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:37 pm#27 - … And adults who didn’t know that “under god†wasn’t in the original pledge of allegiance? …
Haven’t the Republicans tried to give new meaning to the phrase “under god”?
Since they push the agenda of the God of Pedophilia, since the God of P just LOVES to be on top, this whole things creeps me out!!! Dude.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pmtime to sit back and watch the damage control.
Caption Contest; “Is that a deep fried crispy creme donut with chocolate icing?” Why yes is IS, Oh, now I remember why I don’t remember….You know, I don’t recall hearing Reynolds talking to me about that. If he did, he brought it in with a whole stack of deep fried delicious sugary heart clogging chocolate donuts, and I think if he would have had that discussion I would have never heard him cause of the munching noise in my ears, he would have said it was also resolved, but I didn’t hear it see? because my understanding now that it was resolved at that point because his lips were moving. The family had gotten what it wanted to get, I guess, and got a stack of delicious deep fried chocloate donuts. See?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pm“Gandhi would have smacked you upside the head.â€
Comment by trueblue — October 2, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
Exactly…
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:39 pmI don’t recall…..Reagan,Nixon,Bush and all the other crooks. Don’t try this with a parking ticket folks.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:39 pmLook, Busby didn’t win in the CA-50 district in which Duke Cunningham resigned, was indicted, convicted and jailed on corruption. Reps accept responsibility for their actions, and that satiates the Reps in those districts. Outside of that district, it doesn’t register at all.
I understand you won’t hear me now, but after Nov. 7, you can review my teachings, and drink in the wisdom.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:40 pmI understand you won’t hear me now, but after Nov. 7, you can review my teachings, and drink in the wisdom.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
We hear you just fine… we just happen to think you’re an idiot.
Just because one Dem didn’t win one election doesn’t mean zero Dems ever will. That’s just asinine. Par for your ever absurd course.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:42 pmIt’s official now - there will be a full investigation. We all know how those turn out. What this does is provide Hastert and others a legitimate excuse for not answering questions about the matter — “it is under investigation, and I have been advised not to comment.”
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:42 pmI want an investigation, of course, but I also am fully aware of the twisted Republican motives that have managed to let them escape all scrutiny over the past 6 years.
I understand you won’t hear me now, but after Nov. 7, you can review my teachings, and drink in the wisdom.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
For any of you unfamiliar with our inflated ego troll:
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:43 pmhttp:// http://www.aspergers.com/aspclin.htm
#31 - GOP- Group of Pedophiles or Gaurd online pedophiles
GOP - Greedy ‘Ol Pedophiles
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:43 pmSorry jason, but we won’t ever drink your kool-aid. You can have my share, since you have clearly drank so much that a little more won’t make you any worse.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:47 pm#39, true,
Hello true ….
LOL - I confess to an interest in astronomy and history, but doorknobs and hinges? I don’t get that at all ….
In case your fishing, I do like movies and literature, but large chaotic systems interest me the most - markets, politics and world wars … People never want to admit their true behaviour, but I can predict it with great accuracy - dispelling all the “pre-game hype”.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:48 pm#42 - Why is it that the sick pedophiles always hate women so much!
Good question. Interesting that 90% of all jailed pedophiles are christian. If I were a betting man, I’d say that the same 90% are also Republican.
Seems to go with the Republican territory.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:49 pmhttp://www.rawstory.com/ news/ 2006/ Foley_in_Florida_1002.html
It’s official. Looks like a felony.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmHendler— you have tried to spin and lie, trying to defend Foley.
You are one sick puppy. No one here will ever think what you say has any value at all,ever.
With trying to support Foley, you are done here, move on, you disgusting idiot.
Any parent would be pissed at what has happened. You are pissing me off even more, you arogant scumbag.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmthat is scary. Educated people who think that the Constitution is based on the Bible?
I agree. And am pretty certain they are who the Fouinding Father’s had in mind when they created the First Amendment. Because of it, those people cannot preach in the classroom and influence young people in that regard.
Though, one of my students told me that a teacher sent a student to the Principal’s office for saying that he didn’t believe in god. Welcome to the South… There are reasons why I left, and why I will be leaving again…
And adults who didn’t know that “under god†wasn’t in the original pledge of allegiance?
This is the woman being groomed to replace the current principal. She’s one of those who states her beliefs as facts. I call her on stuff like this all the time, but I’m extra polite about it so she keeps talking to me and I can keep educating her :).
It shows that more and more people, even educated people, wait to hear what the religious nuts have to say before they decide what to think or what to believe. This is not America.
Comment by Republicans Are The Fear And Smear Party — October 2, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Yeah, we’re totally a culture of people who fallaciously give logical correctness to anyone in a position of authority - without question. If you have a title, you are deemed infallable, and never to be questioned. Explains a lot.
I’ve learned sooooo much as a teacher about human culture. Oddly, most of the negative stuff from the teachers and not the kids. I adore the kids. Sad that they’ll eventually become sheeple though…
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmJason+M.+Hendler’s brain: Ever walked into the house of mirrors? Your body looks a bit odd doesn’t it. That’s what Hendler’s brain looks like all the time. Unbalanced, unfair, twisted…..and just plain nuts. It’s ALL about power and dishonesty for these weasels. ALL OF IT. Rah Rah Rah…my side won. Well get ready for your side to lose buddy. Notice Handler says…. I paraphrase: “bask in my wisdom after Nov. 7″ It is so obvious that it’s all about little Jason. Hey…….folks……isn’t it good to finally have cracked the neocon code? I feel really good after trying to understand the dysfunction on the right for a few years now. I’m no longer confused. Neocon: denial, out of control ego, weak, scared, arrogant, greedy, dishonest. Yup. Feels good to know that the country is a catchin on.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmregarding any troll that has delusions of grandeur:
ICK!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmSo the wheel of Karma rolls around about every 12 years? Now its the Dems turn to show us how power eventually corrupts.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pm#23…your ‘wisdom’ that you’re advising us to drink sounds familiar…I believe we call that KOOL-AID my friend.
#29…just a sample? LOL All the markings of a culture of corruption.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pmYet another tip in the scales towards a Democratic landslide this Fall.
Geez, don’t make it TOO easy for us guys!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pmtrueblue, I think you are onto something about Jason M Hendler.
From your link:
Since Bush is a door knob and Jason M Hendler has an unbelievable attraction to Bush, I believe your diagnosis is 100% correct.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pm#45, JCGOW,
Ummmmm, if you pull any group out of a population that is 90% Christian, it is very likely that they will be 90% Christian, pedaphile or otherwise. The US is 89% Christian, give or take a point, so that tell you nothing about the population, you need to look for something that strongly deviates from the population norm, like, most are male …
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmI would never have a MySpace page. Its the perfect place for some killer to find out you look just like someone they want to kill. Can we say 52 year old bum finding highschoolers on the internet and then going to thier highschool to molest and kill them?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmHaven’t the Republicans tried to give new meaning to the phrase “under god�
Comment by JesusChrist_GodOfWAR — October 2, 2006 @ 6:38 pm
LOL… You’re so funny!
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:55 pmThe more of these scandals and lies that come to light, the more they will work to steal elections this November.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:55 pmWe all have to try to bring people to the polls so we vote in numbers so large that they can’t steal it.
And talk to anyone who asks you about your vote, to help get an accurate exit poll.
#51 - … So the wheel of Karma rolls around about every 12 years? Now its the Dems turn to show us how power eventually corrupts.
It took the Democrats 40 years to reach the level of corruption that it took the Republicans only 10 years to achieve.
Corrupting Power seems to work her magic charms more readily on Republicans.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmThank you, SpudgeBoy. (and it’s nice to see you here again.)
I’m not a Dr., but I play one on Think Progress!
(Hey- I’m here all week! Thank you! Tip your waitress!)
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:57 pmYou have no Wisdom, no one does.
It’s all propaganda and you know it. Thats all they do and when it comes to being responsible all you see on TV is the neo-con media blaming everyone but themselves when a they are caught red-handed. Your memory is so short it’s amazing when it comes to the number of Bush admin scandals. ‘Bridges to nowhere’
Besides It’s not ‘Wisdom’ you have it’s propaganda bought buy PACS and you know it. The weird thing here is that you may be right about who wins the election [$$$] but you would be very wrong about Republicans being responisble because history shows just the opposite. More debt, bigger government, war mongering, war profiteering, cronyism, Ken Lay the lied about knowing, the 6 month parade of flowers Rummy spoke of
Money and propaganda aren’t Wisdom Jason no matter how much you try to spin it into such. What the American ares told by your propaganda agents in their areas. Whatever the are told it’s not wisdom I can assure you.
Its spin, it’s all the neo-cons have from Coulter to Hastert.
Drink of your ‘Wisdom’ thats rich.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:57 pmWhat’s the new rumor about Hendler, what, he is 39, single, can’t get a date, and looks like Mark Karr?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:57 pmSince Bush is a door knob and Jason M Hendler has an unbelievable attraction to Bush, I believe your diagnosis is 100% correct.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — October 2, 2006 @ 6:52 pm
Damn, that was hilarious….
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:58 pm#47, Wayne,
I do NOT defend Foley.
I am cleaning up your sloppy accusations about his actions. The next few days will air out the complete situation, and in the meantime, Dems campaign issues will be ignored for the more titilating story.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:59 pmForTruth,
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:59 pmMyspace is blocked from my computer.
More parents should do that, in my opinion.
Good job TrueBlue,
Now everyone else, remember to turn the heat to 65, turn off the lights, and fire Rumsfeld before you go home tonight.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmUmmmmm, if you pull any group out of a population that is 90% Christian, it is very likely that they will be 90% Christian, Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 6:54 pm
Nope. 15% of Americans are non-religious. The other 85% aren’t all Christian.
Also, in prison, less than 1% of people there are non-religious. That blows your hypothesis, as 99.2% of people in prison are Christian out of acountry that is 65% Christian. Being morally bankrupt is actually in your favor.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmI do like movies and literature, but large chaotic systems interest me the most - markets, politics and world wars
That’s why you think wars are good progressk, neo-cons never serve, they enrich themselves off war, and peace isn’t progress.
Deep down your a neo-con and you just won’t admit to it that you like to create disorder.
It’s time to break away from that barbaric chaos from order mentality Jason.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:02 pmSo I’m a geek, For truth?
;)
(inside joke. Another thread. Nothing to see here…)
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:03 pm#64 — I do NOT defend Foley. — Jason “Foley Defender” Hendler
A look back at the previous threads show different. Hendler.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:06 pmgive me a break! They were concerned about predating of our minor children being a campaign issue? Last time I looked, their singular responsibility was the protection of the people - all people - and that includes our children. How dare they abuse our children and then turn around and spin it into a campaign issue? Do they have no shame? Evidently, they have absolutely none. If there is a parent out there who is a republican and is not outraged by this abuse of our children and the subsequent attempts to cover it up for almost 6 years (since 2001), then they have no morality or conscience left at all.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:07 pmI thought myspace was for middle and high school kids… I mean that is how I heard about it. From the 15 year olds I used to teach Science.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:08 pmNice stats Unbelievable,
Yes when people get behind bars, all of the sudden a halo appears above their heads. I do lots of behavioral health assessments down at the county jail, and every single one of them has learned their lesson and has really positive plans for when they get out. Besides, if you are a believer, you get to get out of your cell and attend AA meetings, mass, and even talk to the priest. I would be a believer just to get out of my cell too.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:08 pmYes TrueBlue,
You are a geek :)
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:09 pm“ahhh…the “wisdom of Jason Hendler” something to wipe our butts with when published? What a drivel-spewing trolls. I guess he has nothing better to do with his time than to hang around threads where people are on to him? Only a fool would waste their time like that!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:09 pm#68, unbee,
I said that finding 90% Christians from a country that is 90% Christian says nothing - we can argue 65, 89 or 90, but those numbers aren’t significant to pedaphilia, whereas it being a predominantly male condition does. Considering all the female teachers being arrested lately, that may reveal that it is more a result of our society being much harder on male sex offenders than female.
Your numbers on the prison population doesn’t include prison conversations to faith, etc., so again, don’t try to draw any conclusions about the general prison population.
Yesterday, you called me unethical, now you call me morally bankrupt, please back up those statements, since you wouldn’t do it yesterday.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:09 pmI am cleaning up your sloppy accusations about his actions. The next few days will air out the complete situation, and in the meantime, Dems campaign issues will be ignored for the more titilating story.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Don’t you know smear wins elections?
YOUR ‘Wisdom’ is nothing but smear Jason and perception managment, millions and millions of dollars worth, I know it you know it.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:10 pmunbelievable,
Let’s not forget that most of the non-sexually deviant prisoners are Muslim converts.
The Christians hate the blacks, so they inprison them for stupid stuff like pot posession at which point they convert to Muslim.
The Christians think that they are supposed to convert everybody to Christianity.
Isn’t it odd that the Christians have created the worlds largest Muslim conversion industry on the face of the planet?
Isn’t Jesus gonna be pissed at the Christians for convert so many away from his teachings?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:11 pm#76 Real American,
Dude your late, you should have said that on Friday. Oh well better late than never. I was waiting for that point from the right, and it finally showed. The guy can be a fag all he wants, as long if its not with minors, or on the taxpayors time, see, it makes sense. And anyway, we all know how much you love fags, so we are driving it home that this Republican is a fag.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pmI would be a believer just to get out of my cell too.
Comment by ForTruth — October 2, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
Except that you wouldn’t be there to begin with… : )
Anyone can call themselves a Christian. It doesn’t mean that they are. (See Jason M Hendler for an example of this).
I’d rather rot in my cell than attend mass. Unless you didn’t have to pay attention when they preach. :)
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:13 pmQ: what is more vile than a Republican?
A: Two Republicans…
Cheers.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:14 pm#80, dog,
As much as I would love to relish in your descriptions of John Kerry and George Bush, it simply isn’t true.
Americans LOVED how dubya responded to the 9/11 attacks in the days following that event, which was the only test of mettle they needed. On the other hand, John Kerry voted to support the war, before he voted not to, and continued to waffle on the most important issue of the day. His hyper inflated war record, followed by him chucking his medals over the White House fence in protest, caused Americans to look at John Kerry as flacid, like every other Democrat.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmq
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:18 pm#76….A Real UnAmerican….are you pretending that you don’t know how to spell perverts so that people will think that you aren’t one? Well, you may be able to fool people with that on your hate-filled neocon threads but it’s not going to work here.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:18 pm“Wisdom” to a neo-con, as Jason here, is to lie and smear.
Bwahahahhahaaaaa What Fine Upstanding Citizens these Chickenhawk Patriots!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:19 pmI said that finding 90% Christians from a country that is 90% Christian says nothing
Yes you did. And you were wrong, so I corrected you. Seeing as how you’re into the notion of drinking wisdom, I though you could use some. You looked thirsty.
Considering all the female teachers being arrested lately, that may reveal that it is more a result of our society being much harder on male sex offenders than female.
All? There’s been what - 3 in twenty years? Sorry, but I know those stats as well. Only 9.9% of people in prison are female. And that was from something IRI posted. You know IRI don’t you?
Your numbers on the prison population doesn’t include prison conversations to faith, etc., so again, don’t try to draw any conclusions about the general prison population.
My conclusions were logical. If 15% of the people in this country are not religious, then there should be more than 0.8% non-religious people in prison - even with the conversion rate.
Though we could talk about the repeat offender rate… It blows your retort out of the water. I worked on a prison project a few years ago for a firm I that did government buildings. We learned a lot from our Sheriff and prison guard clients about jail life. Something you’ll inevitably become an expert on yourself. I have no doubt.
Don’t try to argue what you don’t know anything about with someone who does.
Yesterday, you called me unethical, now you call me morally bankrupt, please back up those statements, since you wouldn’t do it yesterday.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
I did back it up yesterday. Unlike you, I base my views on facts so I don’t have to cut and run when asked a question that requires them. I also gave you specifics.
Another neocon with selective memory, I see…
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:20 pmLet me throw your own words back at you, Hendler
“Please, there is a big difference between Foley emailing a 16 year old adolescent male, and a camp counselor molesting an 8 year old pre-pubescent male.”
“The pedophilia charges are over the top. He may have had inappropriate emails with someone below the age of consent, and if any crime was committed, he should be charged, but that doesn’t make him a pedophile. You need to get the terms pedophile, child molester, statutory rapist and sexual predator straight, because your diatribes lose their force when you use them interchangeably.”
“Sex with a 16 year old is statutory rape, not child molestation, nor pedophilia. When Dems over-reach, they surrender the moral high ground and remind people why they should never again be in power.”
–Jason “Foley Defender” Hendler
Can we now say that Hendler is a liar?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:21 pmThink his own words prove it.
Jasonic Wisdom; “Foley was against the Man Boy Love Associatoin before he was for it”
“Rush Limbaugh was against drug abuse before he was for it”
Jasonic Wisdumb
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:22 pm#81 - …Isn’t Jesus gonna be pissed at the Christians for convert so many away from his teachings?
Couple interesting points -
Jesus didn’t appear to teach to create a “following” or to start a religion. It was the people who came afterwards who solidified his “teachings” (carefully selected at that!) into what later became a “religion”.
Islam honors Jesus as well as many other prophets. So one would think that honorable christians might recognize their common interest in Jesus in Islam. Rather, christians use this as a fracture point. Strange.
My son, who served in Iraq for 1.5 years (after being told would only be a 3 month stint) says that Islam is practiced amougst the black soldiers. “Churchianity” is practiced amoungst some of the white soldiers. After a few months of blood and gore, some soldiers harden their lives around their religion. Other soldiers appear to have their eyes opened to the realities of occupation and how religion is used to split people apart, rather then to unite them.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:22 pmDean should use this one for the convention:
Either you are with us, or you are with the pedophiles.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:22 pmUnbelievable is feisty
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:22 pm#92, unbee,
I waited for a response and never saw one, so please repost or attach a link to it.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmYou mean RUdy Guliani. People liked the way he reacted. Bush flew around in Air Force One and Dick Cheney was in a bunker. Just like two chicken hawks. If you look up to either of those…..NVM, we know your a nut job.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmIsn’t Jesus gonna be pissed at the Christians for convert so many away from his teachings?
Comment by SpudgeBoy — October 2, 2006 @ 7:11 pm
Good thing for him that he’s dead… :)
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmHis hyper inflated war record, followed by him chucking his medals over the White House fence in protest, caused Americans to look at John Kerry as flacid, like every other Democrat.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Jason I don’t give any of those morons money, NONE, do you>
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:24 pmJesusChrist_GodOfWAR,
I agree 100%. I was speaking of how they speak of themselves.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:24 pmMy head is spinning……..
I just pisses me off that they (The Repubs) are getting away with their ’spin’. Its all such B.S.
If Foley was a Dem….
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 pmSteve, Jesus is not dead. He died and rose on the third day, you godless heathen.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 pm#93, Wayne,
I am not defending Foley’s actions, I am clarifying what he did and did not do, and what he is and is not. I supported his resignation, and if they truly have more explicit IM’s, then they should indict, convict and incarcerate him, so what are you carping about?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:26 pm“Hastert was for the Predator before he was against him”
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:26 pm“Bush was for against nation building before he was for it”
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:28 pm#101, dog,
I have never given money to any political candidate or party. I once told some Dems that I knew back in CA that I donated $30 to the Reps so that I could antogonized them with the line that it was my $30 that beat Gore, but it wasn’t true, just great fun.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:28 pmOther soldiers appear to have their eyes opened to the realities of occupation and how religion is used to split people apart, rather then to unite them.
Comment by JesusChrist_GodOfWAR — October 2, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
Reminds me of the young soldiers in Fahrenheit 9/11 who said that war wasn’t what they thought it was going to be.
Future Democrats no doubt. But a very sad way to learn a very valuable lesson. War sucks.
My students said that we should send make our leaders “duke it out” instead of having wars. Out of the mouths of babes…
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:28 pmI’m fine with saying that sex with a 16-year-old is statutory rape. The difference in the number of years in jail is more important to Foley than to me. And this is supposed to give Republicans their self-deluded stature back as the self-titled party of morality?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:28 pm#103 - …If Foley was a Dem…
Indeed. WingNuts would be in Full Froth.
Alas, the best WingNuts can do is impeach a man for having sex with an ADULT member of the OPPOSITE sex.
If only the media had pursued the Jeff Gannon on Emperor George story… it would have only added further fuel to the Republican ManOnMan/ManOnBoy/Pervert/Pedophilia scandal.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:29 pmDean should use this one for the convention:
Either you are with us, or you are with the pedophiles.
Comment by Rob+9-11+Truth+seeker — October 2, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
I love it!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pm#104, Wilco,
LOL - keep him honest …
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pm#102 - …I agree 100%. I was speaking of how they speak of themselves.
Ah. Sorry. It’s a monday.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmFoley was for locking up sexual predators until he was against it.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmdo Congressmen have a security clearance?
Do they pass lie detector tests????
Sheesh…
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmUnbelievable is feisty
Comment by Wilco — October 2, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
Moi? ; )
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:31 pm“Dennis “Cardinal Law” Hastert”.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:31 pmRepublican Rep Foley was against sexual predators before he was for them
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:32 pm#76- That you think that a man who is in charge of keeping children safe from pedophiles as part of his job discription giving cyber-hand-jobs to a minor male that wants to follow in his footsteps is equal to two consenting adults making love and going about life as most normal people do, I find very muddled. Can you sexplain that to me? Maybe you would rather IM my nephew?
A real American. As real as the can of Spam in my Grandma’s closet. Oops, did I say closet? you lunatic!
You think fantasizing about diddling a minor is an “alternate lifestyle”? Grow the F up, kid.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:33 pmI waited for a response and never saw one, so please repost or attach a link to it.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:23 pm
No. Go do your own homework. Or grow a vagina and become competent.
P.S. Comment was only directed at Jason. Doesn’t not apply to any other men currently here.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:33 pmMais oui, mademoiselle!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:33 pm#110, RATFASP,
No one is saying what Foley did is OK. Hastert said that if Foley hadn’t resigned, he would have moved for his expulsion. Moreover, we are all saying that if he has committed a crime, then he should be indicted, convicted and incarcerated.
Just because one Rep faulters, like Duke Cunningham or Foley, doesn’t make the rest culpable. Reps resign when they fail to uphold the law - Dems should try it sometime. If Bubba had resigned, Gore would be president today, not Bush - do you get it yet?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:34 pmRep Foley was against sexually explicit text sent to underage boys before he was for it
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:34 pmSteve, Jesus is not dead. He died and rose on the third day, you godless heathen.
Comment by Wilco — October 2, 2006 @ 7:25 pm
I love you.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:35 pmHow exactly does one grow a vagina, anyway?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:35 pmThat made my jaw drop too.
However, he always keeps the hypothetical on the sentence - “If” Reynolds told him, it would have been in among all sorts of other things that might affect campaigns.
My question: what kind of issues would have eclipsed news of Foley sending inappropriate emails to a 16 year old???
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:35 pmLoved it to see Hastert cornered by the Reynolds comment….then the stumble/bumble tried to gag his way out of it…..um…er….can’t remember…..another few seconds and we’d all have seen Hastert crapping in his pants! Such sweet desserts for these predator enablers!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:35 pm#122, unbee,
Does your school realize that you post such sexist remarks? Grow a vagina? Do you kiss your students with that mouth?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmso that I could antogonized them with the line that it was my $30 that beat Gore, but it wasn’t true, just great fun.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:28 pm
Yes, that is sooooooooooooo ethical.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmObviously, the rest of the bunch are complicit in this! Or why would they be trying to hard to hide it??
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:37 pmDon’t let hendler nutbag hijack the thread……..hendlertroll is trolling along again….spewing his drivel again……hendler’s a trolla….trollalalalalala!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:38 pmNo one is saying what Foley did is OK
Then you have made our point.
Now take your little keyboary and go blogiging on some freeper site demanding that republicans vote for the GOP!!!
Bwahahhaa
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:38 pmLOL - keep him honest …
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:30 pm
I’m a she, and Wilco is sarcastic.
We know you don’t get it, but you don’t have to keep advertizing.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmso now he’s bringing Gore into it….who will be next to blame? The Pope? Or maybe it’s Reagan? Or could it be the boogeyman, jason?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmI love you.
Comment by unbelievable
Whoa, there, missy. You hardly even know me! Moving a little fast, huh?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:40 pm#131, unbee,
I have already stated that I suspend my Christian morals / ethics when dealing with students of Sun Tsu, so lying to antogonize individuals who are committing insubordination, insurrection and sabotage does not cause me any loss of sleep.
Again, I will ask you for an example of how I have been unethical, aside from antagonizing my enemies with a harmless white lie.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:40 pmThis troll is not only repugnant but an idiot as well. Guess that clearly makes him republican??
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:40 pmI hate to be this far down the thread and somewhat OT, but we need to start thinking about the next speaker of the house (Dem of course).
After the Dem victory and the subsequent impeachment of both Shrub & Dickhead, the speaker wll be the next Prez.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:41 pmMais oui, mademoiselle!
Comment by Wilco — October 2, 2006 @ 7:33 pm
Ooh Kermie, you’re speaking French…
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:41 pmAnd that was from something IRI posted. You know IRI don’t you?
Comment by unbelievable — October 2, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
That’s interesting comment UB, anything you’d like to share with your friends?;)
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:42 pmHastert was for covering it up before he was against it.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:42 pm#135, unbee,
If you are post menapausal, are you still considered a woman?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmdo Congressmen have a security clearance?
Do they pass lie detector tests????
Comment by SusiQ — October 2, 2006 @ 7:30 pm
As a government employee, I had to pass a background check before I could be hired as a teacher. Shouldn’t politicians?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmUnbelievable, you are amazingly wooed.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmHastert was for putting elections before the childrens safety before he wasn’t
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:44 pmHastert said that if Foley hadn’t resigned, he would have moved for his expulsion.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:34 pm
When? He’s known about it for at least a year…
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:44 pmTHIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG TIMEhttp://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmHendler is just a supercilious, ignomious ass with no purpose other than to deceive and and confuse. The only one he confuses is himself with comments that have no relevance to any enlightened discusssion. This country is suffering under a tremenduous fraud perpetrated by the republican fascists to control the press, the courts and the military with the help of corporations. It has been happening for the 5+ years under the dolt in the White house and goes on without a whimper from the public. After 230 years of our history, how have we arrived at this state of degredation?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmHow exactly does one grow a vagina, anyway?
Comment by Wilco — October 2, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
Ask Jason. I bet he has a farm. It’s the only way he can have non-solo s-e-x.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:46 pm#150, Nova,
I blame Jimmy Carter …
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pmHow could Hastert be for covering up something he had no idea about until Friday? Or was it earlier this moring?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pmI’m not sure which, he keeps changing the truth.
Or maybe he knew about it before, but it’s so not a big deal.
I mean, the kid was such a tease, right?
You know, Foley is an admitted alcoholic, so either he wasn’t responsible for his behavior because he was drunk or the kids took advantage of him.
Right?
No?
I’m so confused.
I’m from Ohio, where politicians are always on the up and up. All this corruption is so foreign to me.
You dont grow one, you buy ne, usually in cal or Fla
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pmMr. Foley said in a statement distributed to the news media that he accepted “full responsibility for the harm I have caused.â€
Does this mean he’ll pay for the years of therapy that all these kids will need? I love it when Republicans say they “accept full responsibility” and then skip off to frolic in a luxurious rehab center and do nothing to compensate their victims.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmI have already stated that I suspend my Christian morals / ethics when dealing with students of Sun Tsu, so lying to antogonize individuals who are committing insubordination, insurrection and sabotage does not cause me any loss of sleep.
Again, I will ask you for an example of how I have been unethical, aside from antagonizing my enemies with a harmless white lie.
thats the thing one white lie turns into millions of white lies Jason, it bceomes untenable. You should know better to lie. To anyone ever. No matter how you rationalixe one white lie, you will rationalize another and another and another, then we have Foleys running around…loose.. in the White Lie House.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pm#151, unbee,
Do you have to maintain yours with estrogen shots, or it will fall out?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmDoes your school realize that you post such sexist remarks? Grow a vagina? Do you kiss your students with that mouth?
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:36 pm
Jason, I know that to you, vagina is a bad word. (It’s obvious). But to normal adults, it’s the medically correct term for a woman’s pee-pee (what you probably call it). Only immature freaks are offended or embarrassed by the word.
I don’t kiss any of my students. But I bet you’d like to.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:49 pmMany of us who recognize trolls on the thread simply scroll past them since they have nothing at all relevant to add to any discussion. Their objective is simply to divert the discussion or attempt to hijack the thread. Hendlertroll comes to mind. Guess he likes the libs so much that he just can’t take himself away from our threads?? How trollian!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmHendler is a 39 year old stuck at age 25, he has a hint of intelligence, but thinks he is supersmart guy. He has managed to live a sheltered life and does not understand the rest of the world. Jason didn’t know we had so many poor people until Katrina hit. He has yet to learn his own humility.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:50 pm76# Are you certain that you are a “Real American”? Explain why. 100 points, and no party talking points.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmUnbelievable,
I thought it was a woo-woo.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:51 pmBOYS HAVE PENISES GIRLS HAVE VAGINAS
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:51 pmWhoa, there, missy. You hardly even know me! Moving a little fast, huh?
Comment by Wilco — October 2, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
Yeah, well, I’m feisty.
You can relax - I’m as commitment phobia as George Clooney :)
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:51 pm#156, Dog,
You can’t fight and win against students of Sun Tsu, and still maintain your Christianity. You either submit, or be destroyed, neither is tenable to me, if for no other reason, than they are inferior to me.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:51 pm#151, unbee,
Do you have to maintain yours with estrogen shots, or it will fall out?
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 2, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
Jason, don’t you think you’d be better off asking your surgeon? UB is an educator.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:52 pmYou know, Foley is an admitted alcoholic, so either he wasn’t responsible for his behavior because he was drunk or the kids took advantage of him.
Right?
The neo-con spin had Mel Gibson drinking ‘truth serum’ a while back when he spat anti-semitic remarks and now the spin machine is saying just the opposite is true with Foley?
Their organized hypocrisy is quite apparent.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:52 pmJason,
DId you recieve the vagina smack down, cuz I have never seen you resort to such things as you are saying to Unbelievable here.
No wonder Jason can’t actually get some vagina.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:53 pmSome people, a lucky few, have both!
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:53 pmYou know Jason,
Vagina is not that scary if you experience it with someone you know and care about, oh you only care about yourself, nevermind.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:54 pmAgain, I will ask you for an example of how I have been unethical, aside from antagonizing my enemies with a harmless white lie.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Jason, a lie, is a lie, is a lie.
White lies are a myth
and untruth is an untruth period.
You are seriously a defective personality.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:54 pmYou can relax - I’m as commitment phobia as George Clooney
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:55 pmThat’s too bad, I was hoping for a sugarmama
Who said anything about commitment?
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:55 pmPoor jason…he was born without a brain. Thanks for the info on him - thought either he had to be living under a rock or was about 19 years old. Amazing how naivete shows itself when those who “don’t know that they don’t know” don’t think people are on to them?? hahaha! It’s called total transparency. It’s like