ABC News: Pages ‘Sending All Sorts of Messages About Possible Other Members’
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ABC News: Pages ‘Sending All Sorts of Messages About Possible Other Members’
Tonight on ABC, investigative journalist Brian Ross suggested there may be other members of Congress who engaged in inappropriate behavior towards congressional pages:
BRIAN ROSS: So far, Foley is the only member whose overt sexual approaches have been documented. Charlie?
CHARLES GIBSON: The only one to be documented, but are there other shoes to drop?
ROSS: We’re hearing quite a bit from former pages. They’re sending us all sorts of messages about possible other members.
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More and more the culture of corruption of the Repub-lie-can is exposed. How will the Kool-Aid drinkers spin THIS one??
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:34 pmThe flood is coming!
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:38 pmLet’s hope no dems are part of this.
I could see this whole thing flame out with just one dem involved.
No Way.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:42 pmAwe man, don’t bust the whole racket before I can get me some 16 year old pagey girl.
JUST KIDDING
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:43 pmOh, here’s the opening for Karl to pull his October surprise. He’ll make sure the finger is pointed — with nebulous swift-boat class proof that’ll later be proven false (anybody remember Karl’s fine handywork on the Niger Uranium documents?) — at some Democrat Congress-critter.
And instead of remaining on the offensive, we’ll suddenly see Hillary et al dropping the ball, eating their own, and busy defending themselves as if they were the ones who had been busy with the measuring tape and the solicitation of minors online.
Cue the MSM pundits who can comfortably play it as a “they said they said, and isn’t it all really a shame…” piece and it’ll be November and over before we know it.
Please, please, please prove me wrong. I want to be wrong so badly.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:43 pmHas the snowball begun to roll? — I hope it lands at the bottom of the hill having rolled up the Republiscum party along the way.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:43 pm5. thing,
You planted the paranoid seed in my brain, now I wonder about the whole thing, thanks a lot.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:46 pmBetcha they set up at least one Democrat for cover. Doesn’t matter if he’s later cleared, as long as the election is past.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmHC, you are right. If there’s a Dem involved, the story will change 100%. We have to keep the focus on the child molesters in the GOP.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmNo matter, left, right or center any one ingaged in this type of behavior and enabeling it need’s to be booted out…Period….. Blessings
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:49 pmI’m starting to get a ‘McMartin Preschool” feel about this latest development.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:50 pmOT – sorry – but Frist has suggested that we turn over the government of Afghanistan to the Taliban because we cannot beat them militarily.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmIs the circle completed now?
Note that this story and the tragedy in Lancaster, PA have taken all the news time on 24/7 channels. Rove must be quietly smiling in his office.
If Fatboy has to be sacrificed along with Foley, no big deal to Rove — they will simply keep going forward. stealing whatever elections they can on 11/7.
This country has lost it’s way. It will take a national realization of this on a grand scale to really turn things around. With the right leaders, it could happen. Gore / Hillary 2008
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmYup – this will be just like how they were able to nullify the Abramoff scandal – point the finger at the Dems, say they did it too, and the press will cease to look for the truth.
This one is dead, and it’s because we really can’t trust our own congresspeople.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmHere is a link to what Foley had to say about Clinton after the Lewinski thing… Hilarious!
http://www.sptimes.com/Worldandnation/91298/Congress_sees_through.html
http://www.getsomejosh.com
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:54 pmThis reminds me of the Catholic Church. Culture of corruption is right. The congress members had power. They had authority. They had the protection to continue their crimes, harrassment and immoral behavior. I seriously doubt there is only one person involved. Birds of a feather. You wonder why they could be so stupid in the legislation they so willingly passed. They weren’t. They were there for things other than serving the nation. You wonder how they could lack all compassion. It’s all clear to me now.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:57 pm#8 Yeah, they probably have a Dem beard.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:08 pmDem or Repub, I want them out.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:09 pmCan you imagine how much the GOP leadership is hoping and praying that at least one Democrat gets caught in the sweep? Then they can say it’s not a partisan issue, blame Clinton, say “9/11″ and keep saying they are the “moral” party.
Seriously, ANYONE who does this crap deserves to be thoroughly punished, no matter the politial alignment. But if a Dem is caught, it would be an individual crime. But since the Republicans have had such a lock on the House for so long, this case absolutely points to yet more evidence of systemic corruption in the whole party.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:09 pmI’ve had a change of heart. Since I know these guys are gone I hope Bushco is actually stupid enough to keep these clowns in office.
I came home and looked at my children and I thought if that piece of shit Hastert even had the remotest idea this was going on and covered it up I would flip out.
No more fun and games. These scumbags need to go directly from their congressional offices to court to defend themselves.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:15 pmGeeze-maneeze, you’d think someone was caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy already … it’s close – it’s just hypocricy to the n-th degree. I mean why should men elected to protect us, let alone our most vunderable, our children, who have been caught violating that oath resign? Please …
its just some “overly friendly”, “naughty emails”.
Now where did I put that torch and pitchfork …?
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:18 pmNo Democrats will be caught. Democrats do not lust for children. Democrats do not have to deny their humanity, and their true sexuality to impress the Dobson types to ascend to power……
Just think. Since Jefferson got caught with a freezer full of cash, it makes the BILLIONS / TRILLIONS the Republican’s friends have stolen irrelevant?
Have you noticed Jefferson has not been charged? Entrapment? Maybe if they offered $100,000 cash to you, would you take it?
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmThis isn’t as big a crime as the the committed last week with the passage of bill S3931 when our Consitution and Bill of rights got raped in the ass!
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmDoes everyone know that Fox News had copies of the LA boy’s e-mails last year? I just read it on Fox News’ site and that is damning!
“Meanwhile, Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.”
“Our decision at the time was … that because the language was not sexually explicit and was subject to interpretation, from innocuous to ’sick,’ as the page characterized it, to be cautious,” said Tom Fiedler, executive editor of the Herald. “Given the potentially devastating impact that a false suggestion of pedophilia could have on anyone, not to mention a congressman known to be gay, and lacking any corroborating information, we chose not to do a story.”
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:23 pmI will finally believe in the Christians “god” if the “other ones’ mentioned her include Rick Santorum.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:25 pmTHIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG TIME
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmhttp://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG TIME
http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmNo Remocrats are involved. Hastert’s behavior would be much different had they been. Trying, moreover, to manipulate a page’s memory to incriminate a Democrat and diffuse the blame would backfire. It’s a Republican morass and their exclusive.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:32 pmDuh, Hastert is the next perv to go down. Pun intended.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmJust look at that guy. Put him in a stained trenchcoat in a seedy adult bookstore, and he’d be right at home.
I bet Karl Rove is turning up ever stone to find Democrats up to no good, make this anti-incumbent.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:41 pmif there are more, please let them be heteros with female pages.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:42 pmOhhh Noooo, there will be Dems named in this too. You know the diddlers are everywhere. Time to switch the subject to Condi ignoring 9/11 warnings. Next Karl Rove will say he was approached by a Dem for s*x. I can’t imagine but ….. Are Limbaugh and Rove related??? Look at them.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:44 pmIf there had been a Democrat up to no good he’d have been thrown under the bus today. Instead the other side has to dig back a quarter-century.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:45 pmDrudge has the screaming banner that the Washington Times will call for Hastert to resign tomorrow in the morning edition.
Hastert has clearly lost favor among Republicans.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:49 pmMany of these pages are in college. Many of these schools have honor codes. If any of these pages float red herrings, they better be prepared to flush a $150,000 eduction down the toilet, because their peers will demand their expulsion under their schools respective honor codes. Lying has consquences.
Foley’s emails were obviously luring and using his power position to force the boy’s hand. Did he promise to help him get into a good school? Did he hold something more than authority over the boy’s head? It is obvious from the letters that the boy was playing along, but was hesitant and not into it, but just did not know how to tell his new friend politely, “NO!”. Sadly, this looks just like the textbook methodology the perverts use to lure children. This is so much like the testimoney of teens before congress who have been lured by pedophiles. How did Hastert and cronies not put two and two together ?
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:50 pmAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone remind me why its not scary to have children. Please.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:51 pmIf there is a Democrat or two involved it should make no difference to what I consider to be my, and I would hope our, objective here. While I am happy, or elated as the case may be, to see the Rethugs step on their collective crank it is merely a means to an end. I am appalled at the depths to which all politicians, from local school boards, city councils, county supervisors, and up the line to the present Shit House Administration have resorted to fill their own pockets. My solution is to prevent any, repeat any, incumbent from being reelected, regardless of party, to any political office, EVER. There should be a term limit of one term for every elected office in this country. I don’t care how much they steal without getting caught, but they will have to do it in a hurry and cover it up quickly–not an easy task in one term. Furthermore all ex-politicians should be prohibited for life from receiving any money, compensation, gift, freebee, donation, salary, commission, or any other form or function of monetary gain from any person or corporate entity that profited from any measure considered while they were in office. Whether the measure passed or not. All election campaigns shouldl be done with no money contributed by anyone except the Government at the appropriate level. TV and radio coverage, equally divided among all candidates,shouldl be provided by the licensed stations as a function of their license agreement. If you want my vote you come to me and convince me or make yourself available at a time and place convenient to me. No more “Swift Boat” lies and manipulations. The candidates should be precluded from any statement about their opponents. Let them tell us what THEY are going to do good rather than what the other guy will do bad. I will be the judge of the relative merits of the candidates and vote accordingly. The object is to prevent the crooks and liars, regardless of party affiliation, from buying, or in the case of bushco, stealing an election and robbing the Country blind. I would much rather have a naive, honest beginner politician considering what is in the best interest of his/her constituents than have a seasoned political crook stealing my money.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:52 pmEditorial titled: ‘Resign, Mr. Speaker’: ‘House Speaker Dennis Hastert must do the only right thing, and resign his speakership at once… Mr. Hastert has forfeited the confidence of the public and his party, and he cannot preside over the necessary coming investigation, an investigation that must examine his own inept performance’… — Washington Times, October 3, 2006…
Agreed. Time to get out, Denny.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:55 pmIf any of the kids affected by this , in any way, are reading these posts, please, find someone that you feel that you can trust, a parent, relative, teacher, counselor, just someone, and talk to them about this! As you now know, you are not alone in this, and it’s not your fault! Someone in a position of power and authority tokk advantage of that, you did nothing wrong. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Please, just talk to someone.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:11 pm#42*took, not tokk.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:12 pmi’m sure they will coming out of the walls on the hill like roaches.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:24 pmLibbies – please take note of what happens when you are a dimented pervert in the republican party – you get booted out of office. Too bad all the Dems to do this in the past are now your party leaders.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:28 pmdemented
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:29 pmIn the Republican party, corruption is the exception. In the Democrat party, it is the rule.
No doubt if a thorough investigation is done, some Dems will get caught.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:30 pmbonesTwo, please point out which Dem leaders are pedophiles.
And if you bring up adultery with ADULT women as somehow being morally equivalent, may I remind you that Giuliani and Gingrich are both among the frontrunners for the GOP 08′ presidential nomination.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:33 pmThey are spinning it just like always. It is Clinton’s fault, no, wait it was the Congressman back in the 80’s that had sex with a page. It was his fault. No, wait, from Dobson, it’s just society’s tolerance of deviant sexual behavior. Uh, maybe someone should just say, It’s Mark Foley’s fault?
Peace, and most of all Love,
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:34 pmPeeJ
So by that standard, the entire Republican Party is an exception from itself. Gotch ya’, buddy.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:34 pmEven if there is a Dem named, it is the cover-up by the Rapublican leader ship that is the real crime.
They didn’t even tell the Dem on the page committee.
A sick priest is a sick priest, but the Catholic Church covering it up is the sin.
It’s that simple.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:35 pmKlaus, please point out which Dem leaders are not pedophiles, and provide evidence.
Foley’s actions do not fit the definition of pedophilia. He is a homosexual, not a pedophile.
The legal age of consent in DC is 16 by the way.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:37 pmNovin, there’s no evidence there was a coverup.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 pmUh, they didn’t even tell the Democrat on the page committee? They didn’t even tell the Republican “mother” on the page committee. How sick is that? They didn’t even trust a woman not to follow party lines. Hell, Katherine Harris would have lied. She did before. Oh, that’s just rehashing old conspiracy theorys. Never mind. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Peace, and most of all Love!
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 pmPeeJ
#47
this is in fact, i believe, across all aisles. look into the ’secrets’ of skull and bones. pedaphilia is their initiation ritual to ensure that the handpicked, up and coming congressman will do what big daddy wants them to do. these pricks don’t get shut up money they get little boys. the rule for the nazi/zionists is to lie, steal, murder, treason, torture, lie some more, bully, corruption and mounds of it.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 pmBe careful, they didn’t say that anybody who might have done this is necessarily Republican. The lid is blowing off the bucket and it could be either party. My goodness..this is horrid and stunning news.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 pmProbably on both sides of the isle. Party problem for cover-ups, personal problems for the perps.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 pmPeej, what Foley did is Foley’s fault. What Clinton did is Clinton’s fault. Democrats have a record of excusing various immoral and illegal behavior, which is their fault.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:39 pmWell I can only tell you that first of all someone that hasnt been accused of sex with a minor, that’s Foley. He’s just a sicko on email and IM. I can tell you about a democratic congressman that had sex with a 17year old boy that was applauded for not resigning by the dem house. That’s your party homes. I’m not talking about making out with a fat intern on easter – or raping some other woman like Clinton did. And I’m certainly not talking about killing someone either. Clinton and Kennedy, gotta love em.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:40 pmbs, re: “look into the ’secrets’ of skull and bones. pedaphilia is their initiation ritual…”
John Kerry was in Skull and Bones. What are you accusing him of here?
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:41 pmOh boy, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories!
Bush raped a puppy! I seen it! You Republicans are all corrupt!
CAN’T DISPRoVE ME I REDZ IT ON THE INTRANETZ
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:42 pmBush was also in Skull and Bones, moron!
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:43 pm#60
the same thing. and don’t forget kerry is the cousin of bushwhack and also was seen shaking the hand of the grand mason. all of them pricks who have gone through skull and bones are liking little boys but just kept their tendacies in check. and don’t forget military institution either. especially when you get into the co’s(commisioned officers). do you know anything about kay griggs? she tells it all, after finding her dead husbands diary.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:47 pmOH you fools – don’t you see what this is?? The Repubs are going to use some 19 year old party loyalists to swift-boat a few dems to make it ‘all come out a wash’. You watch. You watch.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:49 pmSkippy is preemptively apologizing for Dem perverts. Typical lib.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:51 pmKlaus was also in Skull and Bones
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:52 pmgrrrrr…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSu1E3mk1w
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:00 pmThe Washington, D.C. office and the district offices of the Honorable Mark Foley will continue to serve the people of the Sixteenth Congressional District of Florida
http://www.house.gov/foley
he’s still “honorable”
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:02 pmI feel like I’m watching Caligula. This is the fall of the Roman Empire we’re watching.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 pmUm, Thinkyourcommies is so smart.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:12 pmTake one Gigantic Fan
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:18 pmTwelve tons of elephant shit.
Turn fan on High and begin shoveling…
I am sure that Karl Rove is cooking up a swiftboat attack on Democrats, but unless he can find one who likes young underage teenage boys it will not wash in the press! I am sure that a fewl Democrat Congressmen are having secret affairs with other adults, but NOT underage like GOP Foley!
I do believe that possibly a few more Republicans might be molesting underage male and female Pages, so expect them to get exposed soon!
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:23 pmConsidering that the Professional Christians, i.e., Fallwell and his ugly ilk, have not weighed in on the issue, I wonder where their allegiances will lie?
Will they protect the Word of God? Or will they protect their Republican friends?
Their brains may well short-circuit.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:29 pmJay Randal – nice take. Dems are the only part on record to support dem officeholders keeping their posts when they….
1. Kill someone. Kennedy
2. Get a male page drunk and have sex with him, he was 17 – Studds
3. Run a male prostitution ring out of your basement while banging the ring leader. – Barney Frank
4. Have sex with a subordinate in the oval office (you would get fired from your job at McDs for this) – Clinton.
Now these are just facts, so I know they don’t matter to you – but they do to the people watching you ’smirk’ about a sick pervert who wrote emails and IMs to a page he had a woody over. THere is no evidence that he did anything nearly as bad as the 4 above, and they all got to keep their jobs.
So let’s hear something about adults, or how long ago it was, etc, becuase that’s what you are going to tell me – that the sex, murder, and lies above are not nearly as bad as this sicko chatting with a 17yr old online.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:35 pmbonesTwo, why are you so divorced from reality?
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:39 pmbecuase it is fun.
Which part of my post was false?
Just funny reactions people have when it’s their party vs the other party. Repubs are the same, just happens to be on the other foot tonight.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:41 pmWhere can I get these bumper stickers?
SUPPORT FAMILY VALUES
VOTE DEMOCRATIC
PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
VOTE NOV. 7TH
PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:45 pmVOTE DEMOCRATIC
Bones > get current with the information coming out on Foley > he not only sent nasty emails to underage teenage boys, but also met them > took them out to dinner or lunch and most likely had sex with them too!
As for the Democrats you mention: Those events happened years ago!
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:50 pmbonestwo – you also need to look into Ms. Bush’s “murder” of her ex-boyfriend. If we are comparing murderers, that is. Also, if we are going to discuss adulterers, we can start with good ole newt and move on from there. On a final note, I do believe there was a republican caught up in that whole Studds incident too.
However, in the present, because this is all we can do anything about, there is only one party of sick, perverted individuals who prey on young boys, and that would be the republican party.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:50 pmOkay, I disagree with whatever Bonestwo says, first off, lol.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:53 pmand secondly,
I also think that its only a matter of hours till we here of some Democrat being involved in something similar. It may be a setup by the Repugs, or It may be true. If it’s true, then right on, they need to be exposed too.
But the important thing to remember is, that the biggest condemning factor in this page scandal, is that top Repugs tried to hide it. That would be harder for Rowe to maneuver.
It would be simple to set up nearly anyone, after all, any overtly friendly gesture from representative to page could be misconstrued as suspect behavior.
Thats the terrible thing, this may just be the tip of a huge witch hunt yet to come.
see jules – that’s the point – Republicans arent the only ONE party. Just look at the facts. Jeez, can’t you read? Happened years ago? Predicted that response? Adults? Right on….. Don’t be saddened to find out that there are a few dems in on this – and that they actually did the deeds…oops. I’ll check back here for my apologies.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:58 pmYou see – you all should listen to Bones (one not Two, of course, wouldnt want you in another fit would we) – he knows what’s up. He’s already off the non sex scandal and on to some sort of cover up…where does that sound familiar?
It’s only a matter of time until Shumer is on Today shedding crocodile tears for an independent counsel to protect the integrity of our national security interests……damn – sorry -that was with that Plame / Wilson thing. My bad.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:01 amYou see – you all should listen to Bones (one not Two, of course, wouldnt want you in another fit would we) – he knows what’s up. He’s already off the non sex scandal and on to some sort of cover up…where does that sound familiar?
It’s only a matter of time until Shumer is on Today shedding crocodile tears for an independent counsel to protect the integrity of our national security interests……damn – sorry -that was with that Plame / Wilson thing. My bad.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:02 amLooks like the subject of possible Democrats getting caught up in this?
If that is the case, the same laws apply.
The SOBs should be booted out off office, and marched into a nice dark clammy jail cell with a 6 foot tall gang banger, who was molested by a sick puke like Foley, as a child.
This issue is NOT a political issue. It is a LAW and ORDER issue.
Anyone involved and any way, doing it, or covering it up need to go to jail. For life.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:03 amI’m sure all the Republican-faithful will be listening to their hero, thrice-divorced impotent criminal drug addict Rush Limbaugh lecture them about “Family Values.”
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:06 amWhen this is added on to everything else, the disasterous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the faltering economy, the crisis in the environment, the immigration conundrum, the trashing of the constitution, New Orleans, Abramoff, the endless lies, and now this. What’s next?
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:11 amSomeone touched Wayne when he was a kid.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:15 amFolks, of course there will be some Democrats that are involved in similar scandals. Why do you guys keep foolishly thinking that Democrats are any better than Republicans? THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT!!! They are all elitists just looking out for themselves and their donors/cronies.
If you want real change start looking elsewhere. The 2 party system is a scam. Vote Independent, Green, Libertarian… etc. Stop being a dog chasing it’s own tail.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:22 amI’m glad to see that there are so many open minded people reading this page. This is why I hate politics all of the tow the party line Democrats (and Republicans) who look at everything through the prism of politics. This is pathetic, people hoping there aren’t Republicans involved so they can stick it to them. This is what is wrong with this country – people like you who are so vindictive that all you care about is the advancement of your party and not this country. Get a brain and vote for the best man and not your party and maybe this country will change….
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:23 amThis will be bi-partisan.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:24 amThe past several days has produced yet another bumper crop of Republican gaffes, goofs and guffaws. The new Woodward book, Mark Foley’s predilection for post-pubescent pages, the Congressional codification of torture and the chaos in Iraq helped bring out a bevy of new verbal offenses from many of the usual suspects of the right:
“GOP Quotes of the Week.”
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 amBy the way, did you guys all forget about Barney Frank with the male prostitute in his apartment??? Come on… give it up – Democrats aren’t any better than Republicans. They are both corrupt. What makes me sick is the holier than thou attitude that Dems have when talking about Republicans and vice versa…. get a life.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:27 amThis situation must be a big problem for the Grand Oil Party. Look at all the minimum wage rethug trolls out here in cyberspace, all repeating the same BS over and over.
Amazing. They stay “on message” like grade-school children. “But Bobby gets to go!” “But Bobby gets to go!” “But Bobby gets to go!” “But Bobby gets to go!”
Think for yourselves and smell the coffee, trolls. Dems from 1969, 1983, or 1997 aren’t facing an election here. The news is that right now, this year, YOUR self-proclaimed family values folks swept a homosexual child trawler under the rug, hoping to keep the issue quiet until after the election. Nothing is more important than an election to the GOP.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:34 amI see that many on the kooky right seem to have trouble understanding the difference between a 16 year old saying “sick, sick, sick” and a 27 year old page (in 1983) telling the media he was involved in a consensual relationship.
Only the perverts on the right think it’s A-OK for an old man to talk dirty to a 16 year old who in not interested in a consensual relationship.
How far back in time do you knuckleheads plan to go?
Your pathetic excuses (Barney Frank, Clinton etc) will not wash with any parent in America. If your best defense is, “Well, you guys did it too”, you’re toast. I’m afraid you’ll have to do better than that if you want to parade around America telling voters you’re the party of Family VAL-YOUS.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:41 amBig Dave: When Barney Frank found out about his boyfriend being a prostitute, he kicked him out and had nothing to do with him again. Frank is and was at the time openly gay. And the scandel was embarrasing but nothing Frank did was against the law or unethical. And is it the same as being with a teenage boy? Come on! Any sicko who wants to f*** a teenager should be in jail.
Don’t pull out every sex scandal of the past and compare it to a guy that wants to get it on with children. ITS NOT THE SAME, AND YOU KNOW IT.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:46 amRepublicants are having trouble accepting the fact that their party is falling to pieces before their very eyes. The party of family values is now the party of predators and pedophile enablers. All parents see this and will not forget it come November 7.
It’s pretty telling when you have The Washington Times calling for Hastert’s resignation, but the loons of the Republican party here want to talk about what happened back in 1983. Good luck with that argument! LOL!
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 amI love you guys… Nobody gives ar rats ass about the kid.
Also, nobody cares that someone was sitting on these conversations and didn’t go to the authorities, no they waited until election time was near to leak them to the media.. Again, to hell with the kids… we’re going to try and win a seat!
You guys are just as bad.
Nice guys.
Real nice.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:59 am[...] Source: Think Progress Posted by Michael Kolanos Filed in The Illuminati [...]
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:03 am“The flood is coming!
Let’s hope no dems are part of this.
I could see this whole thing flame out with just one dem involved.”
Are you kidding me?
Kids were prayed upon, and all you care about is that one of “your guys” being involved? OOooh hey this is only really good if we can screw the republicans… but damn if a democrat is involved, then it’s a non issue anymore.
Oh there was a kid involved? Oh ya he’s not important…
So what’s worse, praying on a kid, or jumping up and down for joy that you get to use him to take a shot at the opposition party?
You’re no better than Foley.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:03 amThe ironic part of this for me is, considering that Republicans have spent the last three election cycles telling the American people how they should fear Homosexuals, and to outlaw gay marriage because of all of the ‘horrors’ that would follow after. One of their favorite scare tactics is ‘gays are pedophiles, they want your children, BEWARE!!!’ Of course they meant ‘Liberal’ Homosexuals, not the ‘Conservative’ ones, even though they never actually said so. But they sure as hell implied it.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 amIdiots Anonymous:
Been listening to Limp-baugh lately?
You think this was leaked to win a seat?
You guys on the right are so demoralized it’s pathetic! Get a grip on yourself and accept responsibility for the fact that you belong to a party that tried to cover up for a pervert who can’t take “no” for an answer. Get it?
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 am*ahem*
No child left behind?
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 amYou’re no better than Foley.
Comment by WTF? — October 3, 2006 @ 1:03 am
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Oh, please! Drop the Marty crap! You’d be saying the same thing if this was a Dem scandal.
Remember sweetie, you’re the party of family val-u’s but one of yours has been caught trying to bugger one of the kids! TOO BAD, you lose, this game!
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:10 amshould have been martyr
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:12 amboy… jpv and big dave, and whoever else, really DON’T want any smart and caring people to VOTE DEMOCRATIC in a few weeks… wonder why…
OVERSIGHT . CHECKS & BALANCES . THE CONSTITUTION …
… SUBPOENA POWER… to name a few…
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:18 am.
I think it is fairly obvious that the Republican leadership is searching high and low for a Democrat committing the same acts. Then they will issue a press release about the Dems are doing the same thing and they [the Repubs] will do all they can to put a stop to the behavior, especially both parties are guilty.
I think it is just a matter of days before they come up with a Dem’s e-mails or IMs. If they can’t find any, they will make it up or at least allude that there some dirt on the Dems too.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:49 amThis is not a political issue and shame on my fellow Americans for trying to turn it into one. This is a story of one man immoral (and probably criminal) acts. And am disgusted that my children will now be subjected to months of the cable news, newspaper, and radio repeating over and over again the explicit emails.
At the same time, I recognize the Republican party did what any employer would do if one of their employee’s was accused of hitting on an intern. Investigate, but without solid proof, ultimately do nothing.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:51 amPresidents worry about what their legacies will be. Bill Clinton’s legacy will be that he was the “SEX EDUCATION†PRESIDENT.†And Hillary will be the wife and enabler of the “SEX EDUCATION†PRESIDENT. Together they brought oral sex into the grade schools of America!
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:54 amYou RePug Trolls are garbage, you are dreaming if you think you can spin this as a Dems do it also issue.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:04 amYou just go on defending the pedophiles in your ranks, it becomes you and I would expect nothing less.
REMEBER: it is always the cover-up not the crime that gets you in politics. Regardless of whether or not some democratic perverts emerge in this the SCANDAL is the COVERUP by Republican House leadership who were more interested in protecting their own than in protecting idealistc young students.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:13 ameven if they manage to find a dem involved in it, it was still on the watch of the republican majority and their leadership who refused to act.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:26 amWow, look at the fascist troll in here defending the pedophiles, and pathetically attempting to brush off the Republican culture of corruption as the “exception to the rule” haha, what a joke.
I’ve had it with these traitors. Going after the Constitution isn’t enough for them, now they have to go after America’s children???
We should round these bastards up and have them all tarred and feathered, drop them off in front of the capitol and watch them all squeel like the sick demons they are.
It’s beyond time for a little tea party of our own.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 amNo one “sat” on the conversations. In fact, people went to the Republican leadership in late 2005, and again this spring. Nothing was done. Oh, and as early as 2001, staff members were warning male pages to stay away from Rep. Mark Foley, the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 amAnyone think it beyond Karl Rove to have a sleeper cell of men willing to shoot some kids in order to divert attention? Did anyone see him shoot himself? Wag the GOP
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 amWomen should throw their own “Tea Party” against pious pedophiles by launching a global strike to deprive GOP and Vatican pervs of fresh victims.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:17 amPresidents worry about what their legacies will be. Bill Clinton’s legacy will be that he was the “SEX EDUCATION†PRESIDENT.†And Hillary will be the wife and enabler of the “SEX EDUCATION†PRESIDENT. Together they brought oral sex into the grade schools of America!
Comment by Bill
And Reagan made it fashionable to arm terrorists and dictators!
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:41 amYes, yes Bill. And W’s legacy will be complete, utter and total incompetence and cronyism. Not to mention the deaths and torture of thousands of innocents.
Nice legacy.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:00 amI love comments from the “No Child’s Behind Left Untouched” party!
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:05 amYou Dems hoping that more Reps are going to be exposed in this may be in for a big surprise. With Dems like Ted Kennedy and others, we’ll just have to wait and see. Culture of GOP corruption? Hahahaha
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:14 amIs the President a Pederast?
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:21 amRabbit Hole Of Elitist Perversion Far Deeper Than Foley
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:36 amhttp://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/021006elitistperversion.htm
Klaus, please point out which Dem leaders are not pedophiles, and provide evidence.
Foley’s actions do not fit the definition of pedophilia. He is a homosexual, not a pedophile.
THE LEGAL AGE OF CONSENT IN DC IS 16 BY THE WAY.
Comment by Thinkyou’reCommies — October 2, 2006 @ 10:37 pm
Well thinkyou’reCommies….1) a little too convenient for the congressmen abusing the page system isn’t it…bring them into DC from other parts of the country to “molest” them in DC at the tender age of 16. 2) If they are residing in a state (where they are minors) with statutory rape laws that differ from DC there are most likely legal problems with your argument. 3) Beyond the age argument there is still a problem with someone who is their “employer/boss” (ie they are in a position to effect their later employment by letters of reference) taking advantage of them sexually.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:48 amDon’t you THINK, Thinkyou’reCommies….I do!!
Steve, could you be a little more specific? Care to actually back up your assertions with FACTS? No, I guess not…
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:49 amIt’s the president, the executive branch, the hill, the military, the government; it’s all of us, each in our own little way. It may not be so easy to morally condemn or as obvious as abusing a page. It’s more than likely something that we’re unaware of. But we’re all trashing society, the country, the world, and all of humanity. Things don’t approach the convergence we’re headed for without widespread participation in failing to move humanity forward on all accounts. The sad part is we all think we’re getting away with something because we’re able to hide behind some phony shield that grants us anonymity or license. Everyone has got an excuse and a reason. Everyone has a twisted justification. Like voracious pigs we are consuming everything; including our own waste. And all we can do is babble in increasing intensity and regularity.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:51 amoctober surprise theorists…
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:58 amthis may be why 12 dems voted to kill habeas corpus among the many other spineless votes by dinos.
anyone, and i mean anyone, who supports this admin and congress is a traitor to the constitution and bill of rights that is the usa. period.
Excerpt from NYT article:
Mr. Hastert defended the Republicans’ handling of a parent’s complaint last year about communication from Mr. Foley to the parent’s teenage son. But he acknowledged that the e-mail inquiring about the boy’s well being and requesting a photo was potentially troubling.
“I think that raised a red flag, raised a red flag with the kid, raised a red flag with the parents,†said Mr. Hastert, who repeated that he could not recall learning of the messages before news of them broke last week. But the speaker said he and others had been “duped†by Mr. Foley, who when questioned about the e-mail said it was an innocent effort to make sure that the young man, who was from Louisiana, had made it through Hurricane Katrina.
…enquiring if he “and his family†made it through the hurricane is expressing a concern, but then to immediately request a picture to be sent is NOT “innocentâ€, and is something entirely different, and therefore should have led to a full scale investigation.
Mr. Foley, 52, who resigned Friday after being confronted with sexually explicit instant messages he had sent to pages, released a statement saying he had entered a rehabilitation clinic for treatment of “alcoholism and related behavioral problems.â€
At a news conference in West Palm Beach, Fla., late Monday, Mr. Foley’s lawyer, David Roth, said that Mr. Foley had sent the inappropriate e-mail messages while under the influence of alcohol and that he had kept his drinking problem secret.
A former aide and other associates said in interviews that they did not believe Mr. Foley had a drinking problem.
..Just as it appears that the delay in reprimanding Foley for his “indiscretion†is to hold onto political power by maintaining a Republican seats in the House, so it appears that having Foley check into a rehabilitation clinic for treatment is for the sole purpose of attempting to avoid being confronted by the press and the public (i.e. to delay this until after the election). This entire sequence of “abuse†and possible “cover up†is eerily familiar to the way the Catholic Church sheltered and protected its child molesters.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:59 amthe phrases “blue dress” and “October surprise” are somehow coming to mind here…
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:06 am[...] With the Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) scandal breaking last Friday, it’s causing a bit of a stir in Congress. What really caught my eye was this bit from ABC news: BRIAN ROSS: So far, Foley is the only member whose overt sexual approaches have been documented. Charlie? [...]
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:37 amRev. Debra Haffner writes (www.debrahaffner. blogspot.com) that it is “ironic that Rep. Foley has been the chair of the caucus on missing and exploited children. I wrote back in June how misguided this bill was in concentrating on registries for treated sex offenders to keep children safe from abuse. Because the facts are again that abuse of children is perpetuated by people children and teens know and often know well. Ninety percent of the time. This young man knew to tell. But not all young people do. That’s where prevention has to come in.”
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:37 amWhere’s Gen. Boykin when you need him. Is he not the spokesman for all those who invoked the words ” GWB is President because God wanted it. He is the shepperd that will lead America into the promised land ” [that is HE, his Republican buddies in the Congress and Senate and Karl Rove.
On ward “pervert’ soldiers…..
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:14 amYou dems are so funny. Get all hot and self-righteous when a republican shows his faults, but sweep it all under the table and ignore it on the many many times that any dem is shown to be less than ideal.
I guess it’s just that people expect the republicans to be good people, but it’s taken for granted that the dems are sinners.
Vote Libertarian!
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 amI’m a republican
Vote Libertairian!!
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:30 am“Ironic”?
It’s not ironic. It’s the pattern of an experienced sexual predator of minors.
He establishes “perfect” credentials. He finds avenues that give access to his target age group of minors.
He casts his net in the form of flattering personal contacts.
From there, the contact becomes increasingly more intimate, then more sexual, then more overtly sexual (as in these IMs). Then there’s a meeting — where the desired contact may occur.
Foley’s behavior is that of a predator.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:37 amTo all the trolls: Keep defending your sick Repugs by saying Dems do it too. Name one! One! that wants to have sex with boys.
And stop with the frigging 16 is the age of consent. Apparently, this has been going on with a number of boys. Are they all living in DC? Morons. If one lives in Va, then what?
I just wish he was caught by Perverted Justice in 20/20. After all, he’s as sick as those wackos.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:37 amThis is turning into the biggest scandal in DC since the Teapot Dome ,only its sleazier.So much filth on Capitol Hill.Nothing but horny old (mostly) Republicans using the page system as their own personal harem.There may be a Dem or two involved,but the GOP are the ones in control and should have done something about their perverts
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:42 amThe October surprise will be the bombing of Iran and it will blast Foley. Condi and Rumsfeld’s sins of lewdness, lying and incompetence right out of the news!
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:45 amIt doesn’t matter what state the kids lived in. With the legislation that Foley himself had a hand in writing, what he was doing, with KIDS UNDER 18, is a felony. If it happened online, the age of consent for “dirty talk” is 18. If he was asking a 16 year old about his masturbation habits, or telling him that he’d like to disrobe him, IT IS ILLEGAL. I don’t care if your states age of consent is 10, under the law that FOLEY HAD A HAND IN WRITING, the age of consent is 18.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:47 amWell, I guess that the substance-abuse/rehab routine is right from the common playbook for damage-control by today’s professional image-makers. If Foley could possibly get on Oprah, cough-up the dirt, and produce a few well-placed tears, then before you know it, we might even be talking about a dramatic, televised comeback!
About 20 years ago, there was a GOP Congressman, Rep. Robert Bauman (from MD, Eastern Shore if I remember correctly). Bauman was caught “on his knees” in front of a page (or similar teenage male). Even though Bauman had Evangelical Christian connections in his ‘base’, he went with a last-ditch “I was really drunk and didn’t know what I was doing” defense. As if every American man is only a few beers away from suddenly being “of service” to any young boys in the area!
I’m thinking that it didn’t quite work for former Rep. Bauman (R-MD).
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:57 amAnd Foley checks into a prorgam for alcohol addition…..yeah, you better run and hide!
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:09 amTHIS IS NOT A REPUBLICAN VS DEMOCRAT ISSUE. This is about abuse of power.
Foley abused his position of power – and Hastert tried to cover it up until after the election.
When Clinton screwed around, he was (rightly) penalized. I recall all of these republicans that came out with this holier than thou attitude. With Foley, I have yet to hear the same righteous indignation from these selfsame republicans? I thought they were the party of morals?
You can’t be the party of morals, and then proceed to sweep your own faults under the rug.
This incident will be remembered as the final straw for the “righteous” republican party – hypocrites. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:10 amOh, wow. The latest is that Foley is going to rehab for alcohol abuse. Didn’t they just use that one with Bob Ney? Is that the best they can come up with? You know, I’ve been drunk in the past. Not often.. but, every couple of years, and I’ve never sent IM’s to children asking about their masturbation, or taken money for bribes. (Ok, so no one’s offered the latter, still!) As far as the further investigation, you know they’re going to dig as hard as they can to find a Democrat. The thing is, they’re so skillful. They’ll hint that there’s a lot of this going on, and it sets the neo-con people to think that there probably IS a Democrat involved! This makes them feel better about themselves. They only have to allude to it. Remember what they did to McCain, and the “illegitimate black baby” smear? They truly are masterful at this.
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:11 amI think a great choice for the Republicans in 2008 would be a Foley/Allen ticket- What do you think?
Running on the platform of “Welcome to America – and the real world of Republicanismâ€
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:14 am- Macaca style……
God save us from this racist, immoral, & disgusting GOP.
While I know it’s not the same thing and I expect to be attacked by some for saying this, I got the same sick feeling reading the Foley emails as I did watching excerpts from “Jesus Camp”. I thought those children were being abused and should be separated from the parents that sent them there.
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:33 am.
FYI:
Tomorrow (Wednesday), the biggest GOP pow wow ever will convene in Washington, a veritable who’s who of the US version of the “Republican Guard.”
Ask GW where his daddy will be tomorrow – along with Kissinger, Baker, Schwarzkopf, you name it – ALL OF THEM.
IT IS OVER.
They ALL knew about the Foley crimes.
They ALL covered it up.
They are ALL going down.
Half of these guys also had foreknowledge of 9/11…and some of them helped to plan and implement it.
Alert The Media.
I want to see these frightened stooges on the news tomorrow night.
.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:07 am.
“THE 9/11 STAKESâ€
A horse racing analogy.
And now we take you to the “911 Stakes,” already in progress…
“AND DOWN THE STRETCH THE COME…
…with “Surprised” giving up the early lead to “Let It Happen,†driving hard along the rail – and “Made It Happen†moving up on the outside! It’s “Let It Happen†and “Made It Happen,†neck and neck now, with seven lengths on the rest of the field – with “Surprised,†“Shocked†and “Faulty Intelligence†rounding out the field…
It’s “Let It Happen†and “Made It Happen†in a PHOTO FINISH!
And the winner is…
…Israel, by a nose!â€
.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:08 amThis comment almost made my head explode:
“You dems are so funny. Get all hot and self-righteous when a republican shows his faults, but sweep it all under the table and ignore it on the many many times that any dem is shown to be less than ideal.
I guess it’s just that people expect the republicans to be good people, but it’s taken for granted that the dems are sinners.
Vote Libertarian!
Comment by Dan — October 3, 2006 @ 8:24 am”
No, no, no, I don’t EXPECT this behavior from any Congressman, regardless of party. I don’t care what color their tie is, if they were involved in any of this they must get booted. Period. The efeects of this may become partisan, but the core issue is not. And please stop pretending an extramarital affair with a woman over the age of 18 is the same as soliciting 16 year olds (of either sex). I didn’t approve of Monica, but to say this is the same thing is absolutely incomprehensible!
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:08 amA Libertarian Vote is a Republican Vote.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:18 am#147 I only get self-righteous when it involves a child under the age of 17.
Thank you very much.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:29 amMore pages are coming forward with allegations! Interesting.
Think about what the Bush admin has done with the detainees at Gitmo. These men cannot defend themselves in court as every other American can. These men must feel utterly trapped. Kind of like being arrested in some foriegn country and accused of drug smuggling when you know you didn’t do it. You have very little hope.
Now think how these Republicans could easily put in a similar situation. I would hate to think that any former pages out there would deiliberatly lie about advances from polititians but it seems possible that some polititians could be targetted. Puts them in a spot similar to the detainees. Good luck proving they didn’t make advances!
Just a thought.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 amIf any more names do come out, there will certainly be some Democrats involved, just like there will be more Republicans involved. I think that Congress is infested with selfish, power hungry people who have forgotten what the true reason they were elected for is. It goes the same on both sides of the aisle and I am dissapointed that any of you would actually crow in delight at the idea that the Republicans are going to take a fall when the root cause of it all is the molestation of a young man, even if the man in question WAS willing. It’s a disgraceful use of Foley’s position of power to influence a young and naive boy. Somewhat like Clinton’s disgraceful use of his power and position to seduce Monica Lewinski. Except of course, she was 18 or 19 at the time, so that makes it all okay. Right?
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 amWhat is wrong with you Republicans? So, are you saying that it’s okay for a 50+ year-old man to hit on a 16 year-old? This makes me sick. As a mother and a victim of molestation (at 16), all I, can say is if this were my child I would hold those that covered this up just as guilty as Foley. I pray that it never happens to your children.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:45 amIf there are Democrats involved in this sick scenario then they should fall too. We just have to get rid of this trash in Congress. Either Republican or Democrat.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:48 amNope…she was 21….Free, White, and 21….read the facts and weep, Mr. Mark.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:49 amUnfortunately, this page scandal comes at a time when the most egregious legislation that has ever come out of Congress has been passed – and it redefines Article III of the Geneva Convention and also gives Bush the power to declare American citizens as “enemy combatants” and lock them away with no legal recourse.
As appalling as the page scandal is – it and other recent news such as the school shootings have taken the heat off Congress on this unconstitutional legislation – And Americans won’t understand the implications of the legislation until it’s too late. For all practical purposes, we are now living in a dictatorship as per this extraordinary power given to the President – and America remains silent on the issue. I suggest reading an essay by William River Pitts on the matter, and it’s an eye opener that most people aren’t even aware of… LINK
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:52 amI’m afraid that what is next could be further exploitation of another young page– but this one will have been persuaded by amoral adults that it’s in the best interest of the country to make this the biggest possible problem for Democrats as well (if in fact none are involved). This administration already turns young men to cannon fodder, so what’s to keep them from mere mental manipulation? It would turn an unpleasant real event into a circus of competing narratives, a trademark tactic of this administration. Might even be true, but we won’t find out till later, of course.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:54 amCan we agree that this is not an issue of partisan politics, but an abuse of power? If more pages step forward, I would be shocked if Congressmen from both sides of the aisle are not named. I am proud to be labelled a Democrat, but I’m not so naive as to think some Democrats aren’t also guilty of getting drunk on power.
October 3rd, 2006 at 10:54 amThe hypocrisy of the Republican religious nucleus is the reason that the behavior of one elected official taints all Republican candidates. Don’t accuse the voters of being unfair.
Welding religion onto our government wins elections, but it does come with a heavy price for the candidates and for the civilization it inescapably seeks to rule.
The fall of yet another holier-than-thou Republican may alarm the casual voter to the dangers that lie ahead for America if we keep drifting away from the three independent branches of government concept and the disconnection of church and state.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:08 amwasn’t Karl Rove connected with the whole North Dakota incident in the ’80s? http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:09 amWasn’t Karl Rove involved in that whole scandal in the ’80s with the Bush sex thing? http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:12 amGet all these F***ing freaks and perverts out of our government! I don’t car WHICH party they’re in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:26 amHere a section from a nice little article I found -
In 1983, then-Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage page — something Foley hasn’t been charged with.
Did Studds express contrition? Resign? Quite the contrary. He rejected Congress’ censure of him and continued to represent his district until his retirement in 1996.
In 1989, Rep. Barney Frank, also of Massachusetts, admitted he’d lived with Steve Gobie, a male prostitute who ran a gay sex-for-hire ring out of Frank’s apartment. Frank, it was later discovered, used his position to fix 33 parking tickets for Gobie.
What happened to Frank? The House voted 408-18 to reprimand him — a slap on the wrist. Today he’s an honored Democratic member of Congress, much in demand as a speaker and “conscience of the party.”
In 2001,Clinton, who had his own intern problem, commuted the prison sentence of Illinois Rep. Mel Reynolds, who had sex with a 16-year-old campaign volunteer and pressured her to lie about it. (Reynolds also was convicted of campaign spending violations.)
You get the idea. Democrats not only seem OK with the kind of behavior for which Foley is charged, but also they protect and excuse it. Only when it’s a Republican do they proclaim themselves shocked! — when it comes to light.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:31 amOh come now, as Americans, the rest of the world understands that you people wouldn’t have the balls to do what it takes to change your government even if your president was Adolf Hitler on a genocide binge.
You’re the country of gutless wonders, the new America.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:38 amMy growing outrage here is less against Foley (as despicable as his behavior was) and more against the GOP leadership that apparently did nothing about this issue, despite knowledge that allegedly goes back 5+ years. That Hastert is doomed seems forgone. The fact that Tom Reynolds’ (the freakin’ Chair of the NRCC) Chief of Staff was lobbying ABC News to sit on the IMs tells me more are probably going to fall. You can say it’s interesting it was leaked before the election, I say it’s more troubling it’s been covered up for so long.
And let me be prefectly clear – If any Democrats have engaged in similar predatory behavior, they must resign and face investigation. If any Democratic leaders were aware of, and kept quiet, information that Democrats were involved in this type of behavior, they must resign and face investigation. Period.
But until that happens, I’ll reserve my ire for the collection of crooks and idoits running this sad ship at the moment, regardless of what you think Barney Frank did or didn’t do. Given the GOP has far better dirt-collection intelligence than the Dems, I’d be curious if they can dig any up. Given the money the GOP has admittedly spent to dig into the personal lives of the opposition, I’d assume any allegations would already be known to Rove and Co. And to those who say “don’t make this political” – your innocence is very sweet. Since the GOP takeover in 1994, nothing ‘isn’t political” anymore, and if you think for one minute that’s false, the other side will jam it down your throat. It sucks, but that’s reality.
In terms of Foley himself, I find it sadly comic that it appears, according to local law and ages of consent, he could have HAD sex with a page legally, but against Federal law, soliticiting it from someone online under 18 is a crime – I’ll let the judges and lawyers sort that out, but I must point out that if the Republicans didn’t exert so much effort demonizing homosexuality, Mr. Foley (if he is indeed gay) might have been more comfortable being out, and not felt that he had to resort to such pathetic and potentially criminal methods to satisfy his urges.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:39 am153 – “What is wrong with you Republicans? So, are you saying that it’s okay for a 50+ year-old man to hit on a 16 year-old? ” ejdevlin
********Dear Ms. Devlin – I have heard or read of NO Republican defending a 52 yro man hitting on a 16 yro boy – - or girl. This sick pig should be investigated, prosecuted fully if he broke the law. I applaud the Repubs for their revulsion of such behaviour. Unfortunately, Dems and Progs are HORRIBLY inconsistent (and overtly POLITICAL rather than “moral”) in their condemnation of child molesters and perverts. Sadly, the ONLY politicos I HAVE heard defending this type of behaviour are DEMS who lauded Reps. Studds and Frank from MASSACHUSETTS….
Busy day, kids….
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:40 amAnd for what it’s worth, this Democrat thinks Studds should have resigned and that Mel Reynolds should never have been pardoned, but that Frank’s dumb choices in boyfriends, and Clinton’s affair with Monica were, while both pretty pathetic, neither illiegal nor grounds for resignation or impeachment.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:47 amFoley giving $100,000 sends up red flags of a payoff to coverup his actions.
ALSO where are the parents of this boy and possible others????
Why arent they trying to right a horrific wrong done to THEIR child? Why did they feel is was OK to let this slide and have a predator continue on to do this with other minors? NO decent parent would sit still and let someone get away with violating their child even with words as Foley did. NO parent would sit still and turn a blind eye to a predator KNOWING when it stopped with their child it would continue with other children. Their child did nothing wrong. That teen was violated by a 50+ yr. old pervert and it was their duty to make it known so that prevert could be stopped before he added more victims to his hit list.
They are guilty of 1 of 2 things. Either they cared so little as to NOT defend and correct an egregious wrong done to their flesh and blood and didnt care about any new victims this predator would hit on OR they were paid off to keep their mouths shut. I think some deep digging really needs to go on in this whole matter.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:54 amI have to admit, my friends, I’m a little confused about certain aspects of the situation here involving Mark Foley and the page. Now, the school system, the public school system has since the late eighties been teaching us that kids are going to have sex, we can’t stop ‘em, it’s not our business to stop ‘em. I mean, we’ve gone so far as teaching them to use condoms with bananas, or in some cases peanuts, cucumbers, but peanuts, too. You have to give them all life possibilities out there. And we had parents out on Long Island who are inviting their kids to have their boyfriend or girlfriend spend the night at the house because it would be cleaner and safer than if they were conjugating in the back seat of the family sedan. They went so far as to say we might even put a pack of cigarettes on the nightstand so that you can have a smoke after you have sex. Now I realize that that’s sex among teenagers, but the public education sex ed. program does not say that it’s wrong. You start talking abstinence to them, and they go nuts. Yeah, easy for you to say. We can’t stop these kids, so we gave ‘em condoms to encourage the risky behavior.
Now, the liberals also tell us that sex and gender issues are just lifestyles, not choices. Maybe choices in the case of sex changes like the chopadickoffame and the adadictomy, but these are just lifestyle things, gender and so forth, we’re not to condemn. Any two people can love each other, any four people can love each other. You can define your family however you want, including your animal or animals. This we have been taught by the tolerant left among us. Kids can have sex, too. Not with somebody just in their age-group, alternative lifestyles, but not if the person is sexually active but younger, apparently. So we find here that there are limits. There are things that will offend liberals. Or are there? Because I continue to ask, are they really offended by this? How many of them wish they were in on the action?
Gary Studds’s person was 17 years old, Barney Frank, Stephen Gobie was running a little male prostitution ring out of Barney’s basement, and Barney didn’t know about it, he said. He arranged, I think he got 33 parking tickets fixed so that the visitors could park right there in front of Barney’s pad. But I don’t believe that they find what Foley did repugnant. They have defended it too often when it has been discovered to have taken place amongst their ranks. Look it, if they want to play the hypocrisy game, which they are doing, and that’s what they think is the strong suit that they have, sort of like the ace-in-the-hole, then we can play the hypocrisy game as well here on the EIB Network.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:59 amWhere is James Dobson when you need him? Guess he can’t find time to interrupt his campaigning for Republicans.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:12 pmI don’t understand all this talk about the age of consent being 16. I could be wrong but I interpret that to mean consent with another teenager.
However, when someone over the age of 21 solicits or has sex with a teen, regardless of the age of consent, it’s a crime. Hence the term “16 will get you 20″ Is there a lawyer in the house who can clarify this?
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmPlease! does anyone remember their history? Rome? We are the new Rome. Immoral, corrupt and perverted. A clean slate policy is overdue here. Another bit of history (The French Revolution) employed properly could change everything.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmBad as this is, it’s small potatoes to the mother of all Republican scandals.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmDial in http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org. Then bookmark it and send it to everyone you know.
It became a political issue when Hastert et. al. covered up a suspicious (and potentially illegal) relationship to save a house seat. Unconscionable, on either side of the aisle. In this case, it was the republicans; specifically the LEADER of the so-called “Party of Morals”. Justifying it but point to wrongful actions in the past (Studds or anyone else) is indirectly justifying hiding a perdophile for the sake of a House seat. Is that your position? Yes or no?
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:34 pmThere’s plenty of evidence to show that that’s exactly what they did (hence the call from the Washington Times (as conservative as the come) for Hastert to step down. If there was no real evidence of impropriety, why did they hide it from the one Dem on the Committee??
Foley pissed someone off in the WH by his moderate views.
A republican will get elected to his seat.
The Democrats and the media will be so focused on the scandal they will let little things like Iraq, budget, health care, wages etc, go unmentioned.
What a wonderful Rovianplan!
Why?
How long have the higher powers known about it?
Why break it now when every seat will count? Lets make sure the seats we fill are full of “company” guys.
ABC is a frontrunner in the coverage.
The ballots are already printed and a vote for Foley is an automatic republican vote.
Just goes to show that they are all opportunist just looking out for themselves.
Lets see what happens.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:34 pmJ Starling, do you really think voters in a mildly Republican district are gonna check the box next to Foley’s name no matter how much the Republicans tell him it’s really sending someone else to Washington. This close to the election, that well is poisoned.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:42 pmDoes anyone really believe this is a Repubican/Democrat issue? There are no “good guys” running this country. It’s all about compromise. The ends justify the means
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:42 pmDoes anyone really believe this is a Repubican/Democrat issue? There are no “good guys” running this country. It’s all about compromise. The ends justify the means
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:42 pmThis isn’t the first time. Ever heard of this. Thjere is even some question as to weather Gannon may be 1 of these kids.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:47 pm“Libertarian”?
If I were a Republican I’d be looking to change my name too !
mojo
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:50 pmKilled my link!
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmAny way its about the child sex scandal involving Lawrence King and many politicians in the 80,s. King was also involved in the S&L scandal.
This is so sad. I bet Rove is sitting in his office right now looking at his stockpile of child porn with underage teens dressed in Nazi SS uniforms and thinking…Maybe I should get rid of this stuff? Nah. What’s more disturbing is that he’s also loving the fact that all of this has taken the focus off of the fact that US Citizens can be held as “enemy combatants” WITH NO RECOUSE (Welcome to Germany circa 1939!!) and no one is talking about it anymore. That’s great. I think the Dem party should just shut their mouths and say, “This is a very unfortunate situation that is currently under investigation…”
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:12 pmLastly, I listened to Rush before lunch just to hear how he would try and spin it and you know I actually thought he was going to take the high road….I know I’m so naive’ , he actually had the balls to start saying that the Dems are the ones hoping this won’t go away, because they have nothing else to go on. He went on to say how sad it was the “issues” are not being discussed because of all of this….What a hypocite sob. If it were a Dem, he would be up in arms, veins protruding out of his neck and head, sweat dripping over his huge gut and ranting about how the dems are perverts and deviants and see what happens when you let a gay into public life. Ridiculous. But, now he’s so concerned about the issues…The issues people! It’s funny I haven’t heard squat from the Religious Right, Jerry Falwell, Pat Buchanan? Where are all you guys? Page got your tongue?
The damage has been done already by the Republicans.
Supporting pedophiles and covering up for it is a MAJOR no no for most Americans.
America might not be pissed of by other things that the Republicans have done, and continue to keep their heads in the sand, but when it affects something VERY dear to them, their CHILDREN, then you can be that is going to piss them a lot.
So the CON man fatsy Rove can try to do an “October Surprise” but honestly, it will only backfire. It will be so transparent.
Too late RepubliCONs. The damage is done and there WILL be hell to pay this November 2006!
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmBig Dave, where do you get your lies from? Rush? Hannity? Barney was gay he wasn’t a criminal. So not only are you a liar, and a Republican, you’re homophobic. And to top it off, you basically just said that being gay is morally wrong. Typical. What’s more is that I can go back 10-20-150 years about some criminal aspect of a Congressman’s career, but all people do is recite articles about Clinton and “See he did it too, he got people pardoned, he had sex with an intern, he put poop on the walls of the White House, he killed JFK,Barney Frank lived with a male prostitute and blah blah friggin’ blah….” It’s all you have, every time there is something wrong on your side you point your f-ing finger and revert back to the standard “But Bill Clinton did this and…” Shut the f up already! It’s all ok then, let’s not even talk about breaking the law or soliciting a minor, because whatever happens Bill Clinton has always done something worse, well how about this one? What do you have? Oh the same old crap You Cons are so weak especially Big Dave (who uses Big anything as their screen name anyway?), the fact is is that when you tout yourself as the party of values, and morales then you’ll be held to a higher standard by using that as your mantra. So when it backfires, all you can do is retreat and say ooooh but they did it too!! Well, regardless, if it were a Dem or a Repub the guys’ a slimeball and for you to defend him is very telling…Very telling indeed. So you’d be complicit and ok with this type of behavior, is that what you’re saying? Or you’d be complicit and ok since he’s a Republican ? Oh, and Happy Guy, you’re totally irrelevant.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:35 pmIt is not irrelevant at all. You can make fun of someone’s screen name rather than discuss the issue but that just makes you irrelevant. No substance, just name calling.
You just can’t handle the truth. The Republican want him out, we all do.
When it is a Republican that did something wrong you want them thrown out of office and try to make everyone think it is all Republicans they are all to blame. When it is a Democrat you give them a pass.
You people are hypocrites. Clean your own house first.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmFascism+American+Style, when you said “Bill Clinton has always done something worse” you couldn’t be more right. The man was, and will probably always be, the absolute worst president evern to stain the carpet of the Oval Office. Your Liberal crap is what is weak, my friend. Your party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive. Your welcome.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:51 pm..and, by the way, Foley is scum. This is coming from a hardcore conservative. No, the party higherups didnt do what they should have. But yours isnt exactly the party of self-condemnation.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:52 pmTim what’s hilarious is how you so eloquently and unalarmingly try to state that it is because of liberals that there is promiscuity in our society, therefore, it is the liberal left that has allowed this “type” of behavior to take place. How Rovesque and completely transparent, meaning because this guy is allowed to be gay, this lead to him being a pedaphile? Your comments strike a familiar chord ala Jerry Falwell…If it weren’t for all of the lefties, gay, lesbians, alternative lifestyles, ACLU we never would have been attacked. What’s more, your abstinence only rhetoric has been proven a failure. These examples that you give about Long Island liberal parents doesn’t represent what most liberals think but being lazy and broadbrushing is so much easier. It is also amusing and cute how the dirt merchants you are on the EIB network (by the way don’t you see your title at all ironic? Excellence in broadcasting?) will twist and contort anything and everything to your whim. I just heard Rush or you probably the same blow hard say that it’s sad how the issues aren’t being discussed. Like you give a rat’s a_s about the issues. If your show were about issues, you wouldn’t have a show. You need lies and distortions to keep your audience wrapped. Issues are not your strong point.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:01 pm– All Facts Support My Positions
In the minds of too many people, yes, “they all do it”. Never underestimate the capacity of people, who supposedly are obsessed with morals to the point they won’t vote for social liberals, to be de facto moral relativists.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:02 pmWHo is it now? Gays? Liberals? Dems? They can’t point the finger fast enough at the victims, the innocents, the opposition. They’re disgusting.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmBelieve me FAS, yours is not the party of issues. Yours is the party of “Terrorist Bill of Rights”, “Cut and Run”, and my personal favorite of yours “It Doesnt RISE To The Level Of Impeachment”. Mine is the party of “Saving Your Head From Being Seperated From Your Shoulders By (insert terrorist name here) “.
If yours is not the party responsible for the idea that its okay to try to seduce the young staff member, then whose is? In my book, Foley is now persona-non-grata. He doesnt hold my values and doesn’t belong in a position of this sort, to be able to do such things.
You label me in not so many words as a Gay Basher when discussing Foley’s attempt to seduce a male teenager. You absolutely cannot convince me that this is not homosexual behavior. Do I have a problem with Homosexuals? Yes, but only so far as I believe its a sin, but that this issue is between God and the individual. I have never once even so much as made a homosexual feel uncomfortable about it, because that was their choice. (and I dont buy the whole theory that its genetic).
I do however have a problem with Foley, I think he should be investigated, and if he broke any law, tried and sentenced. His actions are not those of a Conservative no matter how much you wish it were so.
If its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmYeah Tim, all of that Peace, Prosperity and mostly (save for Rwanda) goodwill around the world in the 90’s was terrible wasn’t it?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmBut it had nothing to do with the fact that Clinton was respected around the world for his political accumen, his policies and his documented…I repeat documented attempts at getting Bin Laden , his creating the Counterterroism department but none of that truth matters especially over at the EIB network. All you conservatives did and still to this day is obsess about his johnson. lastly, Rush, drop the Tim BS I can smell you from here. Don’t use the whole liberals are weak on terror thing on me, Im not one of your brainwashed listeners. You know Nazis used that on people that didn’t want unjust wars too. Just tell them they are weak, pacifists and unpatriotic and tell them they’re in danger. Nice work. Not buying it, in fact go f-yourself you bloated, lying, drug user bashing drug user. Yes, I’ve heard you bash drug users on the air which is quite funny since you were in the hab yourself.
Man, I tell ya Rush, you’ve got those talking points down to a science don’t cha? Regarding your stretch (I know it’s probably difficult for you physically) about it’s ok to seduce young staff members? I don’t know Rush, I’m not on the “Hill”. All I know is that the conservative right feels it needs a scapegoat to get around all of this deviant behavior rather than look at it as an individual issue. You need to demonize someone so as not to have to look in the mirror. In one of my comments I said the left needs to shut their mouths about it because those that live in glass houses….But what you’re suggesting is that this isn’t an individual transgression, rather it’s a about a specific belief system so by your logic you’re saying that Foley isn’t a conservative at heart? So since you’re a drug user does that make you not a conservative at heart either?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pmAsk the CIA individual on the ground, Mr Bernsten, in Afganistan if it is documented that Clinton TRIED to get Bin Laden. When asked, he wouldnt allow him to pull the trigger.
Clinton was “respected” to the point of giving up nuclear missile technology to those who now threaten us with it. “Respected” enough to solve that little dilema of peace between Palestine and Israel. (that land for peace thing worked out brilliantly, didnt it?) Believe me, the Islamofascists “respect” Clinton so much, they cant wait for another Clinton to be elected. Thy have stated as much, that they know that if they can just wait it out until 2008, and a Lib like Clinton V2 is elected, they can resume their course of attack on this country, its allies, and our way of life.
“You know Nazis used that on people that didn’t want unjust wars too. Just tell them they are weak, pacifists and unpatriotic and tell them they’re in danger.” – the fall back position of every weak willed, spineless, gutless Lib who doesnt have the stones to fight for his and his nations protection.
By the way, the fact that you think I am Rush is flattering. But honestly, I am not as good at debate as he is, and if I were him, you wouldnt have a chance.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:44 pm“Not buying it, in fact go f-yourself you bloated, lying, drug user bashing drug user. Yes, I’ve heard you bash drug users on the air which is quite funny since you were in the hab yourself.” – ahhhhhhh…the caring, understanding, most well intentioned among us shows such love for his fellow man.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:47 pm
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmIn case anyone wants to read about Clintons “trying” to kill Bin Laden.
Where do you get this stuff? Is it checkable? Meaning, can I look it up myself? I’d be interested to know. Especially the part about Islamofscists stating they want a liberal in office, that’s a good one, I’d like to read that myself. Palestine and Israel is not the fault of Clinton, sorry. I know you know that. It’s a difficult issue for every administration. When I talked about peace I meant that whole 8 year period where we didn’t attack a nation that never attacked us. We weren’t the perceived “bully” of the world, and isn’t perception reality to those who have the perception. But our ideas are not that far apart, I agree about Afghanistan, not Iraq. That doesn’t make me spineless or weak or bereft of stones as you implied. It makes me….what? More thoughtful in the decision making process? What’s more, you say I don’t or won’t fight for this nation? You’re wrong. I would take up arms against any aggressor, even those in our own government. That doesn’t make me weak that makes me a patriot. If you’re so gung friggin ho about war and destruction sign up. Stop being the toughy behind the keyboard and get your arse to Afghanistan or Iraq. But alas, that’s a fall back of a spineless liberal. Does that make your “fallback” that of a supporter of fascism? It’s easy to send a bunch of people who only make up one percent of the population and say, yeah, I think we should go to war. You’ll never see them right? So your solution is to plow through the middle east kickin ass and takin’ names? Innocents? F-em, no such thing. You may be right about you not being Rush, he lies way better than you do.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmTim, Ok don’t get all misty on me. What, I really dislike Rush Limbaugh what? I am familiar with this book, although I haven’t read it. So tell me how what Bush wasn’t able to do in Tora Bora and what Clinton wasn’t able to do prior makes me think or you for that matter that Dems are weak on terror when it would appear to be that they are both weak? So who put together this whole “Jawbreaker” operation? See my point?
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmI wondered how the Republicons would spin this to blame the victims. That is their tack, always blame the victims, look at Katrina, etc, etc, etc…You people that support this are just as sick as Foley, Has-a-turd, and Boner is.
I really don’t care what happened 20 years ago. We can’t protect those kids from the current Republicon pervert pedophiles like Mark Foley. Mark sounds like he has the mentality of a 16 year old boy. “I just road my bike 25 miles and I’m getting ready to go to work out”. Sounds like am acoholic to me, NOT. No, he’s just acting like a stud for these young kids. You can tell he can not stand to be 53 and wants to be a “cool” dude just a little bit older than these kids.
After reading his e mails and IM’s to these kids he is definitely the hunter not the hunted!! What’s wrong with you people even thinking that this is some conspiracy by teenage boys to “get” the Republicon party. I mean some of the newest kids coming forward have e mails from 3 years ago. If that were the case they would have exposed him in 2004 in the Presidential election not wait until a mid term election. So if you believe that you need medication for overdose of Kool Aid.
Then you have the gay, Drudge, also blaming the victims. He is a gay man and he is acting like an idiot. How do “conservacons” support one gay man on the Drudge Report but hate all other gays unless they are a Republicon. I wonder why all the Republicon gay men get a pass from the Republicons: Ken Mehlwoman (Head of the RNC), Jeff Guckert Gannon (XXX gay escort was allowed in the White House with press credentials even though he was just a male whore with multible visits to the White House with no check out times given. That was NEVER explained dispite requests for information about the security of the President with a male whore standing 15 feet from the President, in war time, and was called on by name), Rep Dreier, R. CA, etc. etc. etc…..
This was reported to the FBI last July by CREW and the FBI has admitted they did not even start an investigation of Mark Foley and his using government property (his computer) and was e mailing these kids from all over the country. So much for “the age of consent is 16 in D. C.” means absolutely NOTHING. (You must not have read all the evidence about his e mails from Florida,etc.) Foley may get caught in his own legislative work by identifying a sexual pervert on the Internet. Wouldn’t that be the best yet, caught in his own legislation. Talk about a sense of entitlement by a Congressman.
The 109th Congress will go down as the WORST in our history and Mr. Bush will be the WORST Prezdent ever. A losing proposition for our poor America. Fascism is their game, GOP (Grand Ole Perverts) is their name.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmTimmy writes, “There are things that will offend liberals. Or are there? Because I continue to ask, are they really offended by this? How many of them wish they were in on the action?”
You are kidding right? Unfortunately it seems you truly believe that liberals are equivalent to the devil. Blind faith has got way too big a hold on you my friend.
Also, “If yours is not the party responsible for the idea that its okay to try to seduce the young staff member, then whose is? ”
Well Timmy, only a blind fool would believe that any party believes it’s ok to seduce young staff members.
And yet more, “If its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?”
Timmy, I know it’s hard for you to understand, but not everyone needs a book like the bible to tell them what is and isn’t moral. That you believe liberals don’t believe in morality is a gross statement of your ignorance.
O crap, more, “Your party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive.”
No Timmy, you haven’t taken on these tasks with any success to be quantified. You can carry on being afraid and we will let you live.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:27 pmI am afraid I dont have the exact source of the word that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda want to “wait out” unitl after the election. I am sure you and I will do some digging, maybe we will turn it up. The fact is, the culture of the average Islamic terrorist is that of “do what i can to my enemy while he is looking the other way”. When Bush fought back, they took a step back and said to themeselves “lets wait and see who follows Bush and maybe we can get another ‘cant-pull-the-trigger’ politician in the White House. That was the gist of the article I read.
Anyway, since you brought it up, I didnt join the military because I met my wife much earlier than most, right about the time I would have had to choose civilian or military. It was a possibility however. The Marines were a potential destination, being as I am not too shaby with a rifle. Or the Navy, since I am more of a techie than I am anything else.
Do I have the right to stand for or against our military, foreign policy, etc. The same right as you do. You and your buddies mock the very people who serve as redneck huckleberrys who were too ignorant to do anything else with their lives. I choose to pay them honor. Its just incredible to me to see the liberal paint the average military person as a jackbooted Nazi in one breath and in the next say we need to bring them home. They (on average, there are always a few disagreeing) are doing what needs to be done to keep us safe. So is George W. Bush, though you curse him for his effort.
I am not being the “toughy” when it comes to this discussion. I am simply stating my opinion, just like you are. It just so happens that I think you are a great example of a Liberal. To answer a few of your questions:
You’ll never see them right? – Yes, I will. I have many friends over there, all of whome know we are doing the right thing.
So your solution is to plow through the middle east kickin ass and takin’ names? – Yes, because once the enemy is defeated, he is nothing to fear anymore. And the good people who had to sit by next to him can be free to procede with a Democratic government. You know, the same kind that gives you the right to call it a “bunch of Nazi’s”
Does that make your “fallback†that of a supporter of fascism? – No, a defeater of Fascism, Marxism, Nazism, and Stalinism.
Palestine and Israel is not the fault of Clinton, sorry. I know you know that.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:34 pm– Yes, you are correct, Clinton was not the root cause of the Palestine/Israel conflict. But he invested in such a backward and ultimately futile plan called “land for peace” that he shares some blame. Notice I said -some- blame. I dont lay it all on his doorstep, as I said.
You may be right about you not being Rush, he lies way better than you do. – Ouch, you wound me.
Timmy (Classic liberal move btw, take the person whom you are at odds with and give them an essence of a child being lectured by his betters), I know it’s hard for you to understand, but not everyone needs a book like the bible to tell them what is and isn’t moral. That you believe liberals don’t believe in morality is a gross statement of your ignorance. – Translation: I dont believe in God, and Judeo(sp?) Christian ethics are too rooted in the bible for me. I am my own ethical compass, and shouldnt be asked to participate in such backward thinking.
I respect your right to these beliefs, or lack there of. I also believe that when you base your morality in yourself and yourself alone you let yourself become open to idea that “this cant be wrong, because it makes me feel good”. Just my opinion, I know you dont care about it, so whatever.
No Timmy, you haven’t taken on these tasks with any success to be quantified. You can carry on being afraid and we will let you live. – No further attacks here in this country, because they know that the President will not hesitate to turn the country of origin of said attack into the next ally of ours in the War On Terror.
Thank you, and goodnight.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:48 pmSorry Tim about the “Timmy” line. That was uncalled for and I appologize.
“I respect your right to these beliefs, or lack there of. I also believe that when you base your morality in yourself and yourself alone you let yourself become open to idea that “this cant be wrong, because it makes me feel goodâ€. Just my opinion, I know you dont care about it, so whatever.”
You obviously don’t respect my beliefs since you previously stated, “If its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?”
I don’t base morality on myself simply because I don’t believe in your bible. Ethics and morality are NOT soley derived from the bible but I don’t expect you to understand that.
When you follow any religion you are conciensly(sp?) excusing yourself from thinking for yourself.
I don’t follow your logic that “this can’t be wrong because it makes me feel good.” You’ll have to explain.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmTim there you go lying. I never said or implied that our military is Jackbooted Nazis. That’s what you do, speaking of easy identifiable conservative bs, is you take one thing I say and turn it into something it wasn’t. Anyway, your king or his disciples still haven’t shown me anything that would lead me to believe they are competent regarding protecting Americans any more than the Dems have. My only retort is there has to be a better way than plowing through a bunch of foreign countries to bestow freedom and democracy on them when they’ve never been asked what they really want. We just assume that everyone wants our brand of democracy or a close fascimile thereof, but it’s rather extraordinary hubris to think every country would just move aside as transplant manifest destiny to other parts of the globe. Think about this one Tim, that maybe not everyone wants to give up theirfamily members to bombs and destruction for the chance to have America in the middle east? Ev er think of that one? No because the crusade cares not about the innocent.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:19 pmWe are going to quote each other into oblivion :-)
I don’t follow your logic that “this can’t be wrong because it makes me feel good.†You’ll have to explain. – I mean that the impression I get from Liberals or “Progressives” is that as long as I am not hurting anyone, I should be allowed to do as I please. And to me, this leads to a sense like I posted before. I should have perhaps explained it better.
When you follow any religion you are conciensly(sp?) excusing yourself from thinking for yourself. – So, because I believe in God, I don’t think for myself, ergo I must be some sort of mouthbreathing moron. Would I be carrying on a multi hour discussion such as this with you if I was stupid and didnt think for myself?
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:58 pm“If its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?†– Let me ask this. Will you right now utterly condemn not only the deplorable actions taken by Mr Foley, but how about the likes of the Kennedys(Marilyn, Chappaquiddick, etc) to Studds actually sleeping with a 17 year old page, Barney Franks prostitution ring. How about Clinton suborning purjory, alledgedly assulting Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, etc. You know as well as I do that the spinmeisters on both sides of the isle will not. Too many try to stradle the fence. If you here on this board condemn them, then I think you may give me a bit of hope for a change. I doubt you will but you might supprise me.
If there weren’t a dem of two I’d be surprised, but I’ll bet they won’t be bastions of “moral clarity” who posed as heads of child protection initiatives. And they probably won’t have an e-mail trail like this one.
Nor will the House Speaker have covered for them. As usual in Washington the coverup will prove a bigger story than the infraction.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:11 pmFAS – Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why should the Iraqi’s, Afgahani’s, etc not have the opportunity to govern themselves with a Democratic fashion? You say they dont want it, I say thats the BS here. Iraq and Afghanistan were ruled by THUGS, and the people were silenced with fear and bullets. The same is happening in other dictatorships. I believe we have an obligation not only to those people but to ourselves to help. To think otherwise is to think them not worthy of freedom, and that is an insult to them.
I need to leave work, its late, and I have hope this has been time well spent. I dont know if I will post again, so let me say this in closing.
The Crusade is worth it. Both in terms of what we as a world hope to gain and what we must sacrifice to achieve it. A free, open democracy does not attack its neighbors because they worship a diffent God, or because their ancestors were driven out of this land or that. Or allow evil atrocities to go unanswered. Or threaten its neighbors because they have a different ethnic background.
The Crusade is about the innocent, and it does care for them. It seeks to bring peace through strength and hope to those who have none.
I wish you and others like you could see that but I have not the time nor the intent of arguing it further.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:16 pmHey Tim,
“Your party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive.â€
None of that is worth crap without ingenuity. Something the right, by default, sorely lacks.
‘ere ye go:
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
Only about 1.2Billion Islamofascists to go. + the other 4 Billion UnJesus believers. They won’t accept Democracy and Jesus until you’ve killed them all. Kiss your wife goodbye-for-a-while, don your Vietnam era body-armor and go. Get busy before they come to America in their Aircraft Carriers and Jump-jets and cut your head off!
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:26 pm[...] Foley Had Cybersex with Teen During House Vote [...]
October 4th, 2006 at 2:32 amBC, exactly the kind of thinking I have come to expect from a Lib, Mr “I am so much smarter than everyone else”. Well I have news for you. You aren’t. Let me ask you, what do you do for a living?
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ – yes, keep “celebrating” each and every death. You know you want to. Keep pointing to it and shouting SEE, SEE…ITS NOT WORKING. But the fact of the matter is, its war. People die in war. Here’s a shocker for you, people died in the process of making THIS country free.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:23 am[...] Could other members of Congress be invoved in the propositioning of young pages? Multitudes of messages are coming from Washington pages now about other Congressmen than Foley. Bunch of sickos. -_- [...]
October 4th, 2006 at 12:09 pm[...] Brian Ross of ABC announced that: We’re hearing quite a bit from former pages. They’re sending us all sorts of messages about possible other members. Then, blog response that came from former pages disappeared in a puff of smoke … oh, sure … SOP. But Foley’s outing has given the kids an opportunity to spill what they know, and the news will get out. Pages are in a difficult spot, having found their way into a privileged opportunity — how can they complain without rocking the boat of perks and benefits that guarantee a splendid future? There’s a word we’ve heard whispered, these last years … blackmail. Wanna bet we’ll be hearing a lot more about that in the next months? And it’s not just pages tangled in that web. [...]
October 4th, 2006 at 3:39 pmPeople these aren’t 5 year olds. Hell some of these pages have admitted they thought is was a big joke. They played along with him. Now, I think what Foley did was disgusting and he should be out on his keester but let’s not get carried away here. He never touched anyone but himself, some of these pages thought it was a joke and played along, and the press sat on this story for over a year. Foley is gone, he is under investigation, the House ethics committee is looking into this and so far there is no evidence that anyone was actually touched by this puke.
Let’s take a look at the differences-
Foley-Didn’t touch anyone-resigned-under investigation
Stubbs (D)-Actually had sex with an underage male Page, wasn’t asked to resign or forced out, and was reelected
Reynolds(D)- Convicted of having sex with an underage campaign worker, given clemency by President Clinton, hired by Jesse Jackson
Barney Frank (D)- said he didn’t know about the male prostitution ring being run out of his office, No resignation, and still in office.
Apparently it doesn’t matter if you actually rape minors or run a brothel as long as you’re a democrat.
October 6th, 2006 at 2:31 pm[...] Page Summary: thing,You planted the paranoid seed in my brain, now I wonder about the whole thing, thanks a lot. It will take a national realization of this on a grand scale to really turn things around. They had the protection to continue their crimes, harrassment and immoral behavior. These scumbags need to go directly from their congressional offices to court to defend themselves.read more | digg story [...]
October 27th, 2006 at 2:31 amUnited States. 11-30-06
December 2nd, 2006 at 10:37 amPeter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824
Report this letter to governorlynch@NH.gov
603-659-6217
I have no hate or discontent with any one. I believe in the United States of America. I believe we the people are what matters. My first injury while serving in the Marine Corps was a head injury. I to this day have no memory of any events before my 17 birthday. I have a traumatic brain injury. I learned ever aspect of life while doing my 31 months over seas tour. I read on the Veterans page of the newspaper about Veterans returning with PTSD. I receive two more separate injures while on combat support missions. I suppressed my feelings from my return in 74 until my jail time in 2001. NH declared me a terrorist under the Patriot Act. I lost my freedom for 6 months before the charges were dropped. I volunteer my time to help people. I help people because I was allowed to come back to the world alive. I owe those veterans that never returned the respect and honor to help make the United States a better country. NH painted me as a bad person in the news and web, people believe that I hate the NH government. I do not.
NH had my veterans benefits stopped by declaring me a terrorist. To harm a 100% disabled veteran to stop free speech is wrong. Every one from President Bush to the NH governor Lynch isolate me because my character had been destroyed by the news. The news has violated their most cherished rule “report the truth no matter whatâ€. My letters to the editor have been censored. My run for election this past year was interfered with by the NH government and newspapers. My wife was terrorized by the state police scaring her. My children were traumatized by the situation. I violated no laws but the newspapers distort the facts to protect the powerful. The court records document that the Madbury selectmen did not deny under oath to using government power to seek personal revenge on local residents. (This Madbury family was so desperate that they asked a stranger from a different town for help) Taking my freedom did not stop my free speech so NH went after my Veterans benefits. The VFW, America Legion and Elk’s clubs should be out raged. The American people should at least under stand I am not a radical. I am a veteran willing to place my country first to help even one Madbury NH family.
I now every day have memories of events better forgot. I now understand why all these years I felt guilty for returning to a country that I had no memory of. My heart is with the United States because I learned by watching good men give their lives for her. The Vietnam Vets suffer today with PTSD but no one cares. I have no hate or discontent for any one. The United States is a great nation going through a cycle. NH will learn to weed criminal judges and politicians whom violate the Constitution for self gain. I ask the people of the United States to help this 100% disabled U.S. Marine to get his good character back? Thank You
Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC “Semper Fiâ€
The reality of all this is. If we would just take out of our
government & society at large. All the homosexual people & one’s who have the intent of such. Just get rid of them all. Our government & our society may just actually be a good place again. Homosexual’s do nothing more then ruin our society as a whole. They are nothing more then sexual deviant individuals, whether they are male or female. It doesn’t matter.
In our government workers. They should always think of there job that there doing. And whats able to help out our world at large. Not sit there, each day. Wondering what & where the next cock for them to suck is at..
February 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pmOr where that next poop shoot is for them to play with. For Christ Sake’s!