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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-1828618</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;  The reality of all this is. If we would just take out of our
government &amp; society at large. All the homosexual people &amp; one&#039;s who have the intent of such. Just get rid of them all. Our government &amp; our society may just actually be a good place again. Homosexual&#039;s do nothing more then ruin our society as a whole. They are nothing more then sexual deviant individuals, whether they are male or female. It doesn&#039;t matter.

In our government workers. They should always think of there job that there doing. And whats able to help out our world at large.  Not sit there, each day. Wondering what &amp; where the next cock for them to suck is at..
Or where that next poop shoot is for them to play with. For Christ Sake&#039;s!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>  The reality of all this is. If we would just take out of our<br />
government &amp; society at large. All the homosexual people &amp; one&#8217;s who have the intent of such. Just get rid of them all. Our government &amp; our society may just actually be a good place again. Homosexual&#8217;s do nothing more then ruin our society as a whole. They are nothing more then sexual deviant individuals, whether they are male or female. It doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>In our government workers. They should always think of there job that there doing. And whats able to help out our world at large.  Not sit there, each day. Wondering what &amp; where the next cock for them to suck is at..<br />
Or where that next poop shoot is for them to play with. For Christ Sake&#8217;s!</em></strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1828618', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Macdonald</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-1214246</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Macdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>United States.  11-30-06
Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824
Report this letter to governorlynch@NH.gov 
603-659-6217  
	I have no hate or discontent with any one.  I believe in the United States of America.  I believe we the people are what matters.  My first injury while serving in the Marine Corps was a head injury.  I to this day have no memory of any events before my 17 birthday.  I have a traumatic brain injury.   I learned ever aspect of life while doing my 31 months over seas tour.  I read on the Veterans page of the newspaper about Veterans returning with PTSD.  I receive two more separate injures while on combat support missions.  I suppressed my feelings from my return in 74 until my jail time in 2001.  NH declared me a terrorist under the Patriot Act.  I lost my freedom for 6 months before the charges were dropped.  I volunteer my time to help people.  I help people because I was allowed to come back to the world alive.  I owe those veterans that never returned the respect and honor to help make the United States a better country.  NH painted me as a bad person in the news and web, people believe that I hate the NH government.  I do not.
	NH had my veterans benefits stopped by declaring me a terrorist.  To harm a 100% disabled veteran to stop free speech is wrong.  Every one from President Bush to the NH governor Lynch isolate me because my character had been destroyed by the news.  The news has violated their most cherished rule â€œreport the truth no matter whatâ€.  My letters to the editor have been censored.  My run for election this past year was interfered with by the NH government and newspapers.  My wife was terrorized by the state police scaring her.  My children were traumatized by the situation.  I violated no laws but the newspapers distort the facts to protect the powerful.  The court records document that the Madbury selectmen did not deny under oath to using government power to seek personal revenge on local residents.  (This Madbury family was so desperate that they asked a stranger from a different town for help) Taking my freedom did not stop my free speech so NH went after my Veterans benefits.  The VFW, America Legion and Elkâ€™s clubs should be out raged.  The American people should at least under stand I am not a radical.  I am a veteran willing to place my country first to help even one Madbury NH family.  
	I now every day have memories of events better forgot.  I now understand why all these years I felt guilty for returning to a country that I had no memory of.  My heart is with the United States because I learned by watching good men give their lives for her.  The Vietnam Vets suffer today with PTSD but no one cares.  I have no hate or discontent for any one.  The United States is a great nation going through a cycle.  NH will learn to weed criminal judges and politicians whom violate the Constitution for self gain.  I ask the people of the United States to help this 100% disabled U.S. Marine to get his good character back?  Thank You  
Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC â€œSemper Fiâ€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United States.  11-30-06<br />
Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824<br />
Report this letter to <a href="mailto:governorlynch@NH.gov">governorlynch@NH.gov</a><br />
603-659-6217<br />
	I have no hate or discontent with any one.  I believe in the United States of America.  I believe we the people are what matters.  My first injury while serving in the Marine Corps was a head injury.  I to this day have no memory of any events before my 17 birthday.  I have a traumatic brain injury.   I learned ever aspect of life while doing my 31 months over seas tour.  I read on the Veterans page of the newspaper about Veterans returning with PTSD.  I receive two more separate injures while on combat support missions.  I suppressed my feelings from my return in 74 until my jail time in 2001.  NH declared me a terrorist under the Patriot Act.  I lost my freedom for 6 months before the charges were dropped.  I volunteer my time to help people.  I help people because I was allowed to come back to the world alive.  I owe those veterans that never returned the respect and honor to help make the United States a better country.  NH painted me as a bad person in the news and web, people believe that I hate the NH government.  I do not.<br />
	NH had my veterans benefits stopped by declaring me a terrorist.  To harm a 100% disabled veteran to stop free speech is wrong.  Every one from President Bush to the NH governor Lynch isolate me because my character had been destroyed by the news.  The news has violated their most cherished rule â€œreport the truth no matter whatâ€.  My letters to the editor have been censored.  My run for election this past year was interfered with by the NH government and newspapers.  My wife was terrorized by the state police scaring her.  My children were traumatized by the situation.  I violated no laws but the newspapers distort the facts to protect the powerful.  The court records document that the Madbury selectmen did not deny under oath to using government power to seek personal revenge on local residents.  (This Madbury family was so desperate that they asked a stranger from a different town for help) Taking my freedom did not stop my free speech so NH went after my Veterans benefits.  The VFW, America Legion and Elkâ€™s clubs should be out raged.  The American people should at least under stand I am not a radical.  I am a veteran willing to place my country first to help even one Madbury NH family.<br />
	I now every day have memories of events better forgot.  I now understand why all these years I felt guilty for returning to a country that I had no memory of.  My heart is with the United States because I learned by watching good men give their lives for her.  The Vietnam Vets suffer today with PTSD but no one cares.  I have no hate or discontent for any one.  The United States is a great nation going through a cycle.  NH will learn to weed criminal judges and politicians whom violate the Constitution for self gain.  I ask the people of the United States to help this 100% disabled U.S. Marine to get his good character back?  Thank You<br />
Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC â€œSemper Fiâ€<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214246', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mexico501 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ABC: Congressional Pages &#34;Sending Messages About Possible Other Members&#34;</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-1036781</link>
		<dc:creator>Mexico501 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ABC: Congressional Pages &#34;Sending Messages About Possible Other Members&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Page Summary: thing,You planted the paranoid seed in my brain, now I wonder about the whole thing, thanks a lot. It will take a national realization of this on a grand scale to really turn things around. They had the protection to continue their crimes, harrassment and immoral behavior. These scumbags need to go directly from their congressional offices to court to defend themselves.read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Page Summary: thing,You planted the paranoid seed in my brain, now I wonder about the whole thing, thanks a lot. It will take a national realization of this on a grand scale to really turn things around. They had the protection to continue their crimes, harrassment and immoral behavior. These scumbags need to go directly from their congressional offices to court to defend themselves.read more&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg story [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1036781', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Truthdetector</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-954608</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthdetector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People these aren&#039;t 5 year olds. Hell some of these pages have admitted they thought is was a big joke. They played along with him. Now, I think what Foley did was disgusting and he should be out on his keester but let&#039;s not get carried away here. He never touched anyone but himself, some of these pages thought it was a joke and played along, and the press sat on this story for over a year. Foley is gone, he is under investigation, the House ethics committee is looking into this and so far there is no evidence that anyone was actually touched by this puke. 

Let&#039;s take a look at the differences-

Foley-Didn&#039;t touch anyone-resigned-under investigation

Stubbs (D)-Actually had sex with an underage male Page, wasn&#039;t asked to resign or forced out, and was reelected

Reynolds(D)- Convicted of having sex with an underage campaign worker, given clemency by President Clinton, hired by Jesse Jackson

Barney Frank (D)- said he didn&#039;t know about the male prostitution ring being run out of his office, No resignation, and still in office. 

Apparently it doesn&#039;t matter if you actually rape minors or run a brothel as long as you&#039;re a democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People these aren&#8217;t 5 year olds. Hell some of these pages have admitted they thought is was a big joke. They played along with him. Now, I think what Foley did was disgusting and he should be out on his keester but let&#8217;s not get carried away here. He never touched anyone but himself, some of these pages thought it was a joke and played along, and the press sat on this story for over a year. Foley is gone, he is under investigation, the House ethics committee is looking into this and so far there is no evidence that anyone was actually touched by this puke. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at the differences-</p>
<p>Foley-Didn&#8217;t touch anyone-resigned-under investigation</p>
<p>Stubbs (D)-Actually had sex with an underage male Page, wasn&#8217;t asked to resign or forced out, and was reelected</p>
<p>Reynolds(D)- Convicted of having sex with an underage campaign worker, given clemency by President Clinton, hired by Jesse Jackson</p>
<p>Barney Frank (D)- said he didn&#8217;t know about the male prostitution ring being run out of his office, No resignation, and still in office. </p>
<p>Apparently it doesn&#8217;t matter if you actually rape minors or run a brothel as long as you&#8217;re a democrat.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=954608', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Political Waves &#187; Cutting close to the bone</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-942389</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Waves &#187; Cutting close to the bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brian Ross of ABC announced that: We&#8217;re hearing quite a bit from former pages. They&#8217;re sending us all sorts of messages about possible other members.  Then, blog response that came from former pages disappeared in a puff of smoke &#8230; oh, sure &#8230; SOP. But Foley&#8217;s outing has given the kids an opportunity to spill what they know, and the news will get out. Pages are in a difficult spot, having found their way into a privileged opportunity &#8212; how can they complain without rocking the boat of perks and benefits that guarantee a splendid future? There&#8217;s a word we&#8217;ve heard whispered, these last years &#8230; blackmail. Wanna bet we&#8217;ll be hearing a lot more about that in the next months? And it&#8217;s not just pages tangled in that web. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brian Ross of ABC announced that: We&#8217;re hearing quite a bit from former pages. They&#8217;re sending us all sorts of messages about possible other members.  Then, blog response that came from former pages disappeared in a puff of smoke &#8230; oh, sure &#8230; SOP. But Foley&#8217;s outing has given the kids an opportunity to spill what they know, and the news will get out. Pages are in a difficult spot, having found their way into a privileged opportunity &#8212; how can they complain without rocking the boat of perks and benefits that guarantee a splendid future? There&#8217;s a word we&#8217;ve heard whispered, these last years &#8230; blackmail. Wanna bet we&#8217;ll be hearing a lot more about that in the next months? And it&#8217;s not just pages tangled in that web. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=942389', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Otherworld &#187; Why don&#8217;t Congressmen use bookmarks?</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-941120</link>
		<dc:creator>Otherworld &#187; Why don&#8217;t Congressmen use bookmarks?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Could other members of Congress be invoved in the propositioning of young pages? Multitudes of messages are coming from Washington pages now about other Congressmen than Foley. Bunch of sickos. -_- [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Could other members of Congress be invoved in the propositioning of young pages? Multitudes of messages are coming from Washington pages now about other Congressmen than Foley. Bunch of sickos. -_- [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=941120', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-940710</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC, exactly the kind of thinking I have come to expect from a Lib, Mr &quot;I am so much smarter than everyone else&quot;.  Well I have news for you. You aren&#039;t. Let me ask you, what do you do for a living? 

&lt;em&gt;http://www.iraqbodycount.net/&lt;/em&gt; - yes, keep &quot;celebrating&quot; each and every death. You know you want to. Keep pointing to it and shouting SEE, SEE...ITS NOT WORKING. But the fact of the matter is, its war. People die in war. Here&#039;s a shocker for you, people died in the process of making THIS country free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC, exactly the kind of thinking I have come to expect from a Lib, Mr &#8220;I am so much smarter than everyone else&#8221;.  Well I have news for you. You aren&#8217;t. Let me ask you, what do you do for a living? </p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iraqbodycount.net/</a></em> &#8211; yes, keep &#8220;celebrating&#8221; each and every death. You know you want to. Keep pointing to it and shouting SEE, SEE&#8230;ITS NOT WORKING. But the fact of the matter is, its war. People die in war. Here&#8217;s a shocker for you, people died in the process of making THIS country free.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=940710', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: disgrunt &#187; Yet More Mark Foley Updates</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-938836</link>
		<dc:creator>disgrunt &#187; Yet More Mark Foley Updates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foley Had Cybersex with Teen During House Vote [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Foley Had Cybersex with Teen During House Vote [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=938836', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-937847</link>
		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim,

â€œYour party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive.â€

None of that is worth crap without ingenuity. Something the right, by default, sorely lacks.

&#039;ere ye go:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Only about 1.2Billion Islamofascists to go. + the other 4 Billion UnJesus believers. They won&#039;t accept Democracy and Jesus until you&#039;ve killed them all.  Kiss your wife goodbye-for-a-while, don your Vietnam era body-armor and go. Get busy before they come to America in their Aircraft Carriers and Jump-jets and cut your head off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim,</p>
<p>â€œYour party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive.â€</p>
<p>None of that is worth crap without ingenuity. Something the right, by default, sorely lacks.</p>
<p>&#8216;ere ye go:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iraqbodycount.net/</a></p>
<p>Only about 1.2Billion Islamofascists to go. + the other 4 Billion UnJesus believers. They won&#8217;t accept Democracy and Jesus until you&#8217;ve killed them all.  Kiss your wife goodbye-for-a-while, don your Vietnam era body-armor and go. Get busy before they come to America in their Aircraft Carriers and Jump-jets and cut your head off!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=937847', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-937269</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FAS - Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why should the Iraqi&#039;s, Afgahani&#039;s, etc not have the opportunity to govern themselves with a Democratic fashion? You say they dont want it, I say thats the BS here. Iraq and Afghanistan were ruled by THUGS, and the people were silenced with fear and bullets. The same is happening in other dictatorships. I believe we have an obligation not only to those people but to ourselves to help. To think otherwise is to think them not worthy of freedom, and that is an insult to them. 

I need to leave work, its late, and I have hope this has been time well spent.  I dont know if I will post again, so let me say this in closing. 

The Crusade is worth it. Both in terms of what we as a world hope to gain and what we must sacrifice to achieve it. A free, open democracy does not attack its neighbors because they worship a diffent God, or because their ancestors were driven out of this land or that. Or allow evil atrocities to go unanswered. Or threaten its neighbors because they have a different ethnic background. 

The Crusade is about the innocent, and it does care for them. It seeks to bring peace through strength and hope to those who have none.

I wish you and others like you could see that but I have not the time nor the intent of arguing it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FAS &#8211; Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why should the Iraqi&#8217;s, Afgahani&#8217;s, etc not have the opportunity to govern themselves with a Democratic fashion? You say they dont want it, I say thats the BS here. Iraq and Afghanistan were ruled by THUGS, and the people were silenced with fear and bullets. The same is happening in other dictatorships. I believe we have an obligation not only to those people but to ourselves to help. To think otherwise is to think them not worthy of freedom, and that is an insult to them. </p>
<p>I need to leave work, its late, and I have hope this has been time well spent.  I dont know if I will post again, so let me say this in closing. </p>
<p>The Crusade is worth it. Both in terms of what we as a world hope to gain and what we must sacrifice to achieve it. A free, open democracy does not attack its neighbors because they worship a diffent God, or because their ancestors were driven out of this land or that. Or allow evil atrocities to go unanswered. Or threaten its neighbors because they have a different ethnic background. </p>
<p>The Crusade is about the innocent, and it does care for them. It seeks to bring peace through strength and hope to those who have none.</p>
<p>I wish you and others like you could see that but I have not the time nor the intent of arguing it further.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=937269', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: skip</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-5/#comment-937239</link>
		<dc:creator>skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there weren&#039;t a dem of two I&#039;d be surprised, but I&#039;ll bet they won&#039;t be bastions of &quot;moral clarity&quot; who posed as heads of child protection initiatives. And they probably won&#039;t have an e-mail trail like this one.

Nor will the House Speaker have covered for them. As usual in Washington the coverup will prove a  bigger story than the infraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there weren&#8217;t a dem of two I&#8217;d be surprised, but I&#8217;ll bet they won&#8217;t be bastions of &#8220;moral clarity&#8221; who posed as heads of child protection initiatives. And they probably won&#8217;t have an e-mail trail like this one.</p>
<p>Nor will the House Speaker have covered for them. As usual in Washington the coverup will prove a  bigger story than the infraction.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=937239', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-937159</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are going to quote each other into oblivion :-)
&lt;em&gt;I donâ€™t follow your logic that â€œthis canâ€™t be wrong because it makes me feel good.â€ Youâ€™ll have to explain.&lt;/em&gt; - I mean that the impression I get from Liberals or &quot;Progressives&quot; is that as long as I am not hurting anyone, I should be allowed to do as I please. And to me, this leads to a sense like I posted before. I should have perhaps explained it better.


&lt;em&gt;When you follow any religion you are conciensly(sp?) excusing yourself from thinking for yourself.&lt;/em&gt; - So, because I believe in God, I don&#039;t think for myself, ergo I must be some sort of mouthbreathing moron. Would I be carrying on a multi hour discussion such as this with you if I was stupid and didnt think for myself? 
&lt;em&gt;
â€œIf its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?â€&lt;/em&gt; - Let me ask this. Will you right now utterly condemn not only the deplorable actions taken by Mr Foley, but how about the likes of the Kennedys(Marilyn, Chappaquiddick, etc) to Studds actually sleeping with a 17 year old page, Barney Franks prostitution ring. How about Clinton suborning purjory, alledgedly assulting Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, etc. You know as well as I do that the spinmeisters on both sides of the isle will not. Too many try to stradle the fence. If you here on this board condemn them, then I think  you may give me a bit of hope for a change. I doubt you will but you might supprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are going to quote each other into oblivion :-)<br />
<em>I donâ€™t follow your logic that â€œthis canâ€™t be wrong because it makes me feel good.â€ Youâ€™ll have to explain.</em> &#8211; I mean that the impression I get from Liberals or &#8220;Progressives&#8221; is that as long as I am not hurting anyone, I should be allowed to do as I please. And to me, this leads to a sense like I posted before. I should have perhaps explained it better.</p>
<p><em>When you follow any religion you are conciensly(sp?) excusing yourself from thinking for yourself.</em> &#8211; So, because I believe in God, I don&#8217;t think for myself, ergo I must be some sort of mouthbreathing moron. Would I be carrying on a multi hour discussion such as this with you if I was stupid and didnt think for myself?<br />
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â€œIf its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?â€</em> &#8211; Let me ask this. Will you right now utterly condemn not only the deplorable actions taken by Mr Foley, but how about the likes of the Kennedys(Marilyn, Chappaquiddick, etc) to Studds actually sleeping with a 17 year old page, Barney Franks prostitution ring. How about Clinton suborning purjory, alledgedly assulting Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, etc. You know as well as I do that the spinmeisters on both sides of the isle will not. Too many try to stradle the fence. If you here on this board condemn them, then I think  you may give me a bit of hope for a change. I doubt you will but you might supprise me.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=937159', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fascism+American+Style</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-936974</link>
		<dc:creator>Fascism+American+Style</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim there you go lying. I never said or implied that our military is Jackbooted Nazis. That&#039;s what you do, speaking of easy identifiable conservative bs, is you take one thing I say and turn it into something it wasn&#039;t. Anyway, your king or his disciples still haven&#039;t shown me anything that would lead me to believe they are competent regarding protecting Americans any more than the Dems have. My only retort is there has to be a better way than plowing through a bunch of foreign countries to bestow freedom and democracy on them when they&#039;ve never been asked what they really want. We just assume that everyone wants our brand of democracy or a close fascimile thereof, but it&#039;s rather extraordinary hubris to think every country would just move aside as transplant manifest destiny to other parts of the globe. Think about this one Tim, that maybe not everyone wants to give up theirfamily members to bombs and destruction for the chance to have America in the middle east? Ev er think of that one? No because the crusade cares not about the innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim there you go lying. I never said or implied that our military is Jackbooted Nazis. That&#8217;s what you do, speaking of easy identifiable conservative bs, is you take one thing I say and turn it into something it wasn&#8217;t. Anyway, your king or his disciples still haven&#8217;t shown me anything that would lead me to believe they are competent regarding protecting Americans any more than the Dems have. My only retort is there has to be a better way than plowing through a bunch of foreign countries to bestow freedom and democracy on them when they&#8217;ve never been asked what they really want. We just assume that everyone wants our brand of democracy or a close fascimile thereof, but it&#8217;s rather extraordinary hubris to think every country would just move aside as transplant manifest destiny to other parts of the globe. Think about this one Tim, that maybe not everyone wants to give up theirfamily members to bombs and destruction for the chance to have America in the middle east? Ev er think of that one? No because the crusade cares not about the innocent.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936974', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Yikes</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-936869</link>
		<dc:creator>Yikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Tim about the &quot;Timmy&quot; line.  That was uncalled for and I appologize.  

&quot;I respect your right to these beliefs, or lack there of. I also believe that when you base your morality in yourself and yourself alone you let yourself become open to idea that â€œthis cant be wrong, because it makes me feel goodâ€. Just my opinion, I know you dont care about it, so whatever.&quot;

You obviously don&#039;t respect my beliefs since you previously stated, â€œIf its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?&quot;

I don&#039;t base morality on myself simply because I don&#039;t believe in your bible.  Ethics and morality are NOT soley derived from the bible but I don&#039;t expect you to understand that.

When you follow any religion you are conciensly(sp?) excusing yourself from thinking for yourself.

I don&#039;t follow your logic that &quot;this can&#039;t be wrong because it makes me feel good.&quot;  You&#039;ll have to explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Tim about the &#8220;Timmy&#8221; line.  That was uncalled for and I appologize.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I respect your right to these beliefs, or lack there of. I also believe that when you base your morality in yourself and yourself alone you let yourself become open to idea that â€œthis cant be wrong, because it makes me feel goodâ€. Just my opinion, I know you dont care about it, so whatever.&#8221;</p>
<p>You obviously don&#8217;t respect my beliefs since you previously stated, â€œIf its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t base morality on myself simply because I don&#8217;t believe in your bible.  Ethics and morality are NOT soley derived from the bible but I don&#8217;t expect you to understand that.</p>
<p>When you follow any religion you are conciensly(sp?) excusing yourself from thinking for yourself.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t follow your logic that &#8220;this can&#8217;t be wrong because it makes me feel good.&#8221;  You&#8217;ll have to explain.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936869', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-936803</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Timmy (Classic liberal move btw, take the person whom you are at odds with and give them an essence of a child being lectured by his betters), I know itâ€™s hard for you to understand, but not everyone needs a book like the bible to tell them what is and isnâ€™t moral. That you believe liberals donâ€™t believe in morality is a gross statement of your ignorance.&lt;/em&gt; - Translation: I dont believe in God, and Judeo(sp?) Christian ethics are too rooted in the bible for me. I am my own ethical compass, and shouldnt be asked to participate in such backward thinking.

I respect your right to these beliefs, or lack there of. I also believe that when you base your morality in yourself and yourself alone you let yourself become open to idea that &quot;this cant be wrong, because it makes me feel good&quot;. Just my opinion, I know you dont care about it, so whatever.

&lt;em&gt;No Timmy, you havenâ€™t taken on these tasks with any success to be quantified. You can carry on being afraid and we will let you live.&lt;/em&gt; - No further attacks here in this country, because they know that the President will not hesitate to turn the country of origin of said attack into the next ally of ours in the War On Terror.

Thank you, and goodnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Timmy (Classic liberal move btw, take the person whom you are at odds with and give them an essence of a child being lectured by his betters), I know itâ€™s hard for you to understand, but not everyone needs a book like the bible to tell them what is and isnâ€™t moral. That you believe liberals donâ€™t believe in morality is a gross statement of your ignorance.</em> &#8211; Translation: I dont believe in God, and Judeo(sp?) Christian ethics are too rooted in the bible for me. I am my own ethical compass, and shouldnt be asked to participate in such backward thinking.</p>
<p>I respect your right to these beliefs, or lack there of. I also believe that when you base your morality in yourself and yourself alone you let yourself become open to idea that &#8220;this cant be wrong, because it makes me feel good&#8221;. Just my opinion, I know you dont care about it, so whatever.</p>
<p><em>No Timmy, you havenâ€™t taken on these tasks with any success to be quantified. You can carry on being afraid and we will let you live.</em> &#8211; No further attacks here in this country, because they know that the President will not hesitate to turn the country of origin of said attack into the next ally of ours in the War On Terror.</p>
<p>Thank you, and goodnight.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936803', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-936715</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am afraid I dont have the exact source of the word that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda want to &quot;wait out&quot; unitl after the election. I am sure you and I will do some digging, maybe we will turn it up. The fact is, the culture of the average Islamic terrorist is that of &quot;do what i can to my enemy while he is looking the other way&quot;. When Bush fought back, they took a step back and said to themeselves &quot;lets wait and see who follows Bush and maybe we can get another &#039;cant-pull-the-trigger&#039; politician in the White House. That was the gist of the article I read. 

Anyway, since you brought it up, I didnt join the military because I met my wife much earlier than most, right about the time I would have had to choose civilian or military. It was a possibility however. The Marines were a potential destination, being as I am not too shaby with a rifle. Or the Navy, since I am more of a techie than I am anything else.

Do I have the right to stand for or against our military, foreign policy, etc. The same right as you do. You and your buddies mock the very people who serve as redneck huckleberrys who were too ignorant to do anything else with their lives. I choose to pay them honor. Its just incredible to me to see the liberal paint the average military person as a jackbooted Nazi in one breath and in the next say we need to bring them home. They (on average, there are always a few disagreeing) are doing what needs to be done to keep us safe. So is George W. Bush, though you curse him for his effort.

I am not being the &quot;toughy&quot; when it comes to this discussion. I am simply stating my opinion, just like you are. It just so happens that I think you are a great example of a Liberal. To answer a few of your questions:

&lt;em&gt;Youâ€™ll never see them right?&lt;/em&gt; - Yes, I will. I have many friends over there, all of whome know we are doing the right thing.

&lt;em&gt;So your solution is to plow through the middle east kickin ass and takinâ€™ names?&lt;/em&gt; - Yes, because once the enemy is defeated, he is nothing to fear anymore. And the good people who had to sit by next to him can be free to procede with a Democratic government. You know, the same kind that gives you the right to call it a &quot;bunch of Nazi&#039;s&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Does that make your â€œfallbackâ€ that of a supporter of fascism?&lt;/em&gt; - No, a defeater of Fascism, Marxism, Nazism, and Stalinism.

&lt;em&gt;Palestine and Israel is not the fault of Clinton, sorry. I know you know that.
&lt;/em&gt; - Yes, you are correct, Clinton was not the root cause of the Palestine/Israel conflict. But he invested in such a backward and ultimately futile plan called &quot;land for peace&quot; that he shares some blame. Notice I said -some- blame. I dont lay it all on his doorstep, as I said.
&lt;em&gt;
You may be right about you not being Rush, he lies way better than you do.&lt;/em&gt; - Ouch, you wound me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid I dont have the exact source of the word that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda want to &#8220;wait out&#8221; unitl after the election. I am sure you and I will do some digging, maybe we will turn it up. The fact is, the culture of the average Islamic terrorist is that of &#8220;do what i can to my enemy while he is looking the other way&#8221;. When Bush fought back, they took a step back and said to themeselves &#8220;lets wait and see who follows Bush and maybe we can get another &#8216;cant-pull-the-trigger&#8217; politician in the White House. That was the gist of the article I read. </p>
<p>Anyway, since you brought it up, I didnt join the military because I met my wife much earlier than most, right about the time I would have had to choose civilian or military. It was a possibility however. The Marines were a potential destination, being as I am not too shaby with a rifle. Or the Navy, since I am more of a techie than I am anything else.</p>
<p>Do I have the right to stand for or against our military, foreign policy, etc. The same right as you do. You and your buddies mock the very people who serve as redneck huckleberrys who were too ignorant to do anything else with their lives. I choose to pay them honor. Its just incredible to me to see the liberal paint the average military person as a jackbooted Nazi in one breath and in the next say we need to bring them home. They (on average, there are always a few disagreeing) are doing what needs to be done to keep us safe. So is George W. Bush, though you curse him for his effort.</p>
<p>I am not being the &#8220;toughy&#8221; when it comes to this discussion. I am simply stating my opinion, just like you are. It just so happens that I think you are a great example of a Liberal. To answer a few of your questions:</p>
<p><em>Youâ€™ll never see them right?</em> &#8211; Yes, I will. I have many friends over there, all of whome know we are doing the right thing.</p>
<p><em>So your solution is to plow through the middle east kickin ass and takinâ€™ names?</em> &#8211; Yes, because once the enemy is defeated, he is nothing to fear anymore. And the good people who had to sit by next to him can be free to procede with a Democratic government. You know, the same kind that gives you the right to call it a &#8220;bunch of Nazi&#8217;s&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Does that make your â€œfallbackâ€ that of a supporter of fascism?</em> &#8211; No, a defeater of Fascism, Marxism, Nazism, and Stalinism.</p>
<p><em>Palestine and Israel is not the fault of Clinton, sorry. I know you know that.<br />
</em> &#8211; Yes, you are correct, Clinton was not the root cause of the Palestine/Israel conflict. But he invested in such a backward and ultimately futile plan called &#8220;land for peace&#8221; that he shares some blame. Notice I said -some- blame. I dont lay it all on his doorstep, as I said.<br />
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You may be right about you not being Rush, he lies way better than you do.</em> &#8211; Ouch, you wound me.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936715', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Yikes</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-936663</link>
		<dc:creator>Yikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy writes, &quot;There are things that will offend liberals. Or are there? Because I continue to ask, are they really offended by this? How many of them wish they were in on the action?&quot;

You are kidding right? Unfortunately it seems you truly believe that liberals are equivalent to the devil.  Blind faith has got way too big a hold on you my friend.

Also, &quot;If yours is not the party responsible for the idea that its okay to try to seduce the young staff member, then whose is? &quot;

Well Timmy, only a blind fool would believe that any party believes it&#039;s ok to seduce young staff members.  

And yet more, &quot;If its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?&quot;

Timmy, I know it&#039;s hard for you to understand, but not everyone needs a book like the bible to tell them what is and isn&#039;t moral.  That you believe liberals don&#039;t believe in morality is a gross statement of your ignorance.

O crap, more, &quot;Your party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive.&quot;

No Timmy, you haven&#039;t taken on these tasks with any success to be quantified.  You can carry on being afraid and we will let you live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy writes, &#8220;There are things that will offend liberals. Or are there? Because I continue to ask, are they really offended by this? How many of them wish they were in on the action?&#8221;</p>
<p>You are kidding right? Unfortunately it seems you truly believe that liberals are equivalent to the devil.  Blind faith has got way too big a hold on you my friend.</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;If yours is not the party responsible for the idea that its okay to try to seduce the young staff member, then whose is? &#8221;</p>
<p>Well Timmy, only a blind fool would believe that any party believes it&#8217;s ok to seduce young staff members.  </p>
<p>And yet more, &#8220;If its not Liberals pushing the idea that there is not such thing as morality, I ask you who is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Timmy, I know it&#8217;s hard for you to understand, but not everyone needs a book like the bible to tell them what is and isn&#8217;t moral.  That you believe liberals don&#8217;t believe in morality is a gross statement of your ignorance.</p>
<p>O crap, more, &#8220;Your party, if ever in power again during the conflict with Terrorism, will utterly fail. You dont have the stomach, the spine, or the moral conviction to take on such a task. So, as always, we will do it for you, and you will remain alive.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Timmy, you haven&#8217;t taken on these tasks with any success to be quantified.  You can carry on being afraid and we will let you live.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936663', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NeverVoteRepublicanAgain</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/pages-ross/comment-page-4/#comment-936658</link>
		<dc:creator>NeverVoteRepublicanAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered how the Republicons would spin this to blame the victims.  That is their tack, always blame the victims, look at Katrina, etc, etc, etc...You people that support this are just as sick as Foley, Has-a-turd, and Boner is.  

I really don&#039;t care what happened 20 years ago.  We can&#039;t protect those kids from the current Republicon pervert pedophiles like Mark Foley.   Mark sounds like he has the mentality of a 16 year old boy.  &quot;I just road my bike 25 miles and I&#039;m getting ready to go to work out&quot;.  Sounds like am acoholic to me, NOT.  No, he&#039;s just acting like a stud for these young kids.  You can tell he can not stand to be 53 and wants to be a &quot;cool&quot; dude just a little bit older than these kids.

After reading his e mails and IM&#039;s to these kids he is definitely the hunter not the hunted!!  What&#039;s wrong with you people even thinking that this is some conspiracy by teenage boys to &quot;get&quot; the Republicon party.  I mean some of the newest kids coming forward have e mails from 3 years ago.  If that were the case they would have exposed him in 2004 in the Presidential election not wait until a mid term election.  So if you believe that you need medication for overdose of Kool Aid.

Then you have the gay, Drudge, also blaming the victims.  He is a gay man and he is acting like an idiot.  How do &quot;conservacons&quot; support one gay man on the Drudge Report but hate all other gays unless they are a Republicon.  I wonder why all the Republicon gay men get a pass from the Republicons:  Ken Mehlwoman (Head of the RNC), Jeff Guckert Gannon (XXX gay escort was allowed in the White House with press credentials even though he was just a male whore with multible visits to the White House with no check out times given.  That was NEVER explained dispite requests for information about the security of the President with a male whore standing 15 feet from the President, in war time, and was called on by name), Rep Dreier, R. CA, etc. etc. etc.....

This was reported to the FBI last July by CREW and the FBI has admitted they did not even start an investigation of Mark Foley and his using government property (his computer) and was e mailing these kids from all over the country.  So much for &quot;the age of consent is 16 in D. C.&quot; means absolutely NOTHING. (You must not have read all the evidence about his e mails from Florida,etc.)   Foley may get caught in his own legislative work by identifying a sexual pervert on the Internet.  Wouldn&#039;t that be the best yet, caught in his own legislation.  Talk about a sense of entitlement by a Congressman.  

The 109th Congress will go down as the WORST in our history and Mr.  Bush will be the WORST Prezdent ever.  A losing proposition for our poor America.  Fascism is their game, GOP (Grand Ole Perverts) is their name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered how the Republicons would spin this to blame the victims.  That is their tack, always blame the victims, look at Katrina, etc, etc, etc&#8230;You people that support this are just as sick as Foley, Has-a-turd, and Boner is.  </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t care what happened 20 years ago.  We can&#8217;t protect those kids from the current Republicon pervert pedophiles like Mark Foley.   Mark sounds like he has the mentality of a 16 year old boy.  &#8220;I just road my bike 25 miles and I&#8217;m getting ready to go to work out&#8221;.  Sounds like am acoholic to me, NOT.  No, he&#8217;s just acting like a stud for these young kids.  You can tell he can not stand to be 53 and wants to be a &#8220;cool&#8221; dude just a little bit older than these kids.</p>
<p>After reading his e mails and IM&#8217;s to these kids he is definitely the hunter not the hunted!!  What&#8217;s wrong with you people even thinking that this is some conspiracy by teenage boys to &#8220;get&#8221; the Republicon party.  I mean some of the newest kids coming forward have e mails from 3 years ago.  If that were the case they would have exposed him in 2004 in the Presidential election not wait until a mid term election.  So if you believe that you need medication for overdose of Kool Aid.</p>
<p>Then you have the gay, Drudge, also blaming the victims.  He is a gay man and he is acting like an idiot.  How do &#8220;conservacons&#8221; support one gay man on the Drudge Report but hate all other gays unless they are a Republicon.  I wonder why all the Republicon gay men get a pass from the Republicons:  Ken Mehlwoman (Head of the RNC), Jeff Guckert Gannon (XXX gay escort was allowed in the White House with press credentials even though he was just a male whore with multible visits to the White House with no check out times given.  That was NEVER explained dispite requests for information about the security of the President with a male whore standing 15 feet from the President, in war time, and was called on by name), Rep Dreier, R. CA, etc. etc. etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>This was reported to the FBI last July by CREW and the FBI has admitted they did not even start an investigation of Mark Foley and his using government property (his computer) and was e mailing these kids from all over the country.  So much for &#8220;the age of consent is 16 in D. C.&#8221; means absolutely NOTHING. (You must not have read all the evidence about his e mails from Florida,etc.)   Foley may get caught in his own legislative work by identifying a sexual pervert on the Internet.  Wouldn&#8217;t that be the best yet, caught in his own legislation.  Talk about a sense of entitlement by a Congressman.  </p>
<p>The 109th Congress will go down as the WORST in our history and Mr.  Bush will be the WORST Prezdent ever.  A losing proposition for our poor America.  Fascism is their game, GOP (Grand Ole Perverts) is their name.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936658', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, Ok don&#039;t get all misty on me. What, I really dislike Rush Limbaugh what?  I am familiar with this book, although I haven&#039;t read it. So tell me how what Bush wasn&#039;t able to do in Tora Bora and what Clinton wasn&#039;t able to do prior makes me think or you for that matter that Dems are weak on terror when it would appear to be that they are both weak? So who put together this whole &quot;Jawbreaker&quot; operation? See my point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, Ok don&#8217;t get all misty on me. What, I really dislike Rush Limbaugh what?  I am familiar with this book, although I haven&#8217;t read it. So tell me how what Bush wasn&#8217;t able to do in Tora Bora and what Clinton wasn&#8217;t able to do prior makes me think or you for that matter that Dems are weak on terror when it would appear to be that they are both weak? So who put together this whole &#8220;Jawbreaker&#8221; operation? See my point?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936606', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you get this stuff? Is it checkable? Meaning, can I look it up myself? I&#039;d be interested to know. Especially the part about Islamofscists stating they want a liberal in office, that&#039;s a good one, I&#039;d like to read that myself.  Palestine and Israel is not the fault of Clinton, sorry. I know you know that. It&#039;s a difficult issue for every administration. When I talked about peace I meant that whole 8 year period where we didn&#039;t attack a nation that never attacked us. We weren&#039;t the perceived &quot;bully&quot; of the world, and isn&#039;t perception reality to those who have the perception. But our ideas are not that far apart, I agree about Afghanistan, not Iraq. That doesn&#039;t make me spineless or weak or bereft of stones as you implied. It makes me....what? More thoughtful in the decision making process?  What&#039;s more, you say I don&#039;t or won&#039;t fight for this nation? You&#039;re wrong. I would take up arms against any aggressor, even those in our own government. That doesn&#039;t make me weak that makes me a patriot. If you&#039;re so gung friggin ho about war and destruction sign up. Stop being the toughy behind the keyboard and get your arse to Afghanistan or Iraq. But alas, that&#039;s a fall back of a spineless liberal. Does that make your &quot;fallback&quot; that of a supporter of fascism? It&#039;s easy to send a bunch of people who only make up one percent of the population and say, yeah, I think we should go to war. You&#039;ll never see them right? So your solution is to plow through the middle east kickin ass and takin&#039; names? Innocents? F-em, no such thing. You may be right about you not being Rush, he lies way better than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you get this stuff? Is it checkable? Meaning, can I look it up myself? I&#8217;d be interested to know. Especially the part about Islamofscists stating they want a liberal in office, that&#8217;s a good one, I&#8217;d like to read that myself.  Palestine and Israel is not the fault of Clinton, sorry. I know you know that. It&#8217;s a difficult issue for every administration. When I talked about peace I meant that whole 8 year period where we didn&#8217;t attack a nation that never attacked us. We weren&#8217;t the perceived &#8220;bully&#8221; of the world, and isn&#8217;t perception reality to those who have the perception. But our ideas are not that far apart, I agree about Afghanistan, not Iraq. That doesn&#8217;t make me spineless or weak or bereft of stones as you implied. It makes me&#8230;.what? More thoughtful in the decision making process?  What&#8217;s more, you say I don&#8217;t or won&#8217;t fight for this nation? You&#8217;re wrong. I would take up arms against any aggressor, even those in our own government. That doesn&#8217;t make me weak that makes me a patriot. If you&#8217;re so gung friggin ho about war and destruction sign up. Stop being the toughy behind the keyboard and get your arse to Afghanistan or Iraq. But alas, that&#8217;s a fall back of a spineless liberal. Does that make your &#8220;fallback&#8221; that of a supporter of fascism? It&#8217;s easy to send a bunch of people who only make up one percent of the population and say, yeah, I think we should go to war. You&#8217;ll never see them right? So your solution is to plow through the middle east kickin ass and takin&#8217; names? Innocents? F-em, no such thing. You may be right about you not being Rush, he lies way better than you do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=936526', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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