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	<title>Comments on: CBS Turns Over News Broadcast To Man Who Blames School Shootings on Teaching Evolution and Abortion</title>
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		<title>By: Guildenstern</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1231851</link>
		<dc:creator>Guildenstern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*blinks*  wait... evolution and abortion cause school shootings?  Wish some had told me that sooner.  I&#039;d be beating my bible over the head of Darwin and making sure my wife stayed in the damn kitchen if i knew that.  I think we all do need to return to our conservatiive, fundamentalist values: Women shouldn&#039;t vote, blacks should be slaves, muslims are heretics (as are Jews), the rich should Lord over the poor, witches should be burned, and &quot;I refuse to change.&quot; should be our national motto.  Damn Godless commies, telling me it&#039;s ok to have freedoms...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*blinks*  wait&#8230; evolution and abortion cause school shootings?  Wish some had told me that sooner.  I&#8217;d be beating my bible over the head of Darwin and making sure my wife stayed in the damn kitchen if i knew that.  I think we all do need to return to our conservatiive, fundamentalist values: Women shouldn&#8217;t vote, blacks should be slaves, muslims are heretics (as are Jews), the rich should Lord over the poor, witches should be burned, and &#8220;I refuse to change.&#8221; should be our national motto.  Damn Godless commies, telling me it&#8217;s ok to have freedoms&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1231851', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1201453</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man could not have been more correct by pointing out the moral decay of this country. The Amish schools did have a shooting despite it being a religious school but the shooter was not a student and such shootings are rare as ospposed to violence of all types in secular schools where school shootings are not nearly as rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man could not have been more correct by pointing out the moral decay of this country. The Amish schools did have a shooting despite it being a religious school but the shooter was not a student and such shootings are rare as ospposed to violence of all types in secular schools where school shootings are not nearly as rare.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1201453', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1201450</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man could not have been more right. The Amish schools did have a shooting desite it being a religious school but the shooter was not a student and such shootings are rare as opposed to school shootings in secular schools which has become common place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man could not have been more right. The Amish schools did have a shooting desite it being a religious school but the shooter was not a student and such shootings are rare as opposed to school shootings in secular schools which has become common place.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1201450', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AtheistNutcase</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1191599</link>
		<dc:creator>AtheistNutcase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of exchanging insults, let&#039;s see which model better explains the dysfunction under consideration:  mass murder, and/or psychopathology in general.  One hypothesis which can be made consistent with Darwinism is that lack of any meaningful challenge was a contributing factor (or a necessary pre-condition) for this random outburst of otherwise meaningless violence.  A &lt;strong&gt;need&lt;/strong&gt; for some type of stimulation may be a genetically inherited physiological requirement fully explainable by the Theory of Evolution, and &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; explainable within the framework of religion, at least without a lot of silly contradictions of the central premise that gods are basically benevolent.

It is &lt;strong&gt;well-known&lt;/strong&gt;, even among dilletantes in psychology &amp; neuroscience such as myself, that a couple hours of near-total sense deprivation drives most subjects to varying degrees of agitation, up to pseudo-psychosis.  (Symptoms indicative of psychosis vanish when normal stimuli are re-introduced to subjects, thus no lawsuits for these studies!)  The study I vaguely recall involved remaining stationary in a room-temperature bathtub, in the dark.  Given this known effect of the absence of nearly all stimuli, it seems reasonable to suppose that a similar effect on subjects deprived specifically of one or more types of stimuli, for example intellectual and/or physical challenges. Obviously, many people function sanely for &lt;strong&gt;long&lt;/strong&gt; periods of safety, meaning not being in danger of life &amp; limb. Therefore, it isn&#039;t as simple as physical danger.

My starting hypothesis is that frequent, moderately strenuous exercise in combination with an average 40 hour work week is sufficient to keep &lt;strong&gt;all people&lt;/strong&gt; sane enough to not kill at random. Less stimulation than that may be dangerous, in varying degrees depending on genetic background and other environmental factors to be determined by true experts in the relevant research fields.

More generally, a requirement for &lt;strong&gt;some type&lt;/strong&gt; of external neurological stimuli, perhaps at some threshold intensity and/or duration, appears to exist and is most readily explained as a physiological result of the conditions in which the physical instruments of our intellect evolved.

Absent, uninvolved, or minimally involved parents can easily be &lt;strong&gt;imagined&lt;/strong&gt; providing just such a minimally stimulating environment, without specifically blaming the parents &lt;strong&gt;or&lt;/strong&gt; society as Mr. Rohrbough nauseatingly attempts.  It is still, &lt;strong&gt;always&lt;/strong&gt; the responsibility of the individual to find sufficient challenges to remain sane enough to not kill innocent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of exchanging insults, let&#8217;s see which model better explains the dysfunction under consideration:  mass murder, and/or psychopathology in general.  One hypothesis which can be made consistent with Darwinism is that lack of any meaningful challenge was a contributing factor (or a necessary pre-condition) for this random outburst of otherwise meaningless violence.  A <strong>need</strong> for some type of stimulation may be a genetically inherited physiological requirement fully explainable by the Theory of Evolution, and <strong>not</strong> explainable within the framework of religion, at least without a lot of silly contradictions of the central premise that gods are basically benevolent.</p>
<p>It is <strong>well-known</strong>, even among dilletantes in psychology &amp; neuroscience such as myself, that a couple hours of near-total sense deprivation drives most subjects to varying degrees of agitation, up to pseudo-psychosis.  (Symptoms indicative of psychosis vanish when normal stimuli are re-introduced to subjects, thus no lawsuits for these studies!)  The study I vaguely recall involved remaining stationary in a room-temperature bathtub, in the dark.  Given this known effect of the absence of nearly all stimuli, it seems reasonable to suppose that a similar effect on subjects deprived specifically of one or more types of stimuli, for example intellectual and/or physical challenges. Obviously, many people function sanely for <strong>long</strong> periods of safety, meaning not being in danger of life &amp; limb. Therefore, it isn&#8217;t as simple as physical danger.</p>
<p>My starting hypothesis is that frequent, moderately strenuous exercise in combination with an average 40 hour work week is sufficient to keep <strong>all people</strong> sane enough to not kill at random. Less stimulation than that may be dangerous, in varying degrees depending on genetic background and other environmental factors to be determined by true experts in the relevant research fields.</p>
<p>More generally, a requirement for <strong>some type</strong> of external neurological stimuli, perhaps at some threshold intensity and/or duration, appears to exist and is most readily explained as a physiological result of the conditions in which the physical instruments of our intellect evolved.</p>
<p>Absent, uninvolved, or minimally involved parents can easily be <strong>imagined</strong> providing just such a minimally stimulating environment, without specifically blaming the parents <strong>or</strong> society as Mr. Rohrbough nauseatingly attempts.  It is still, <strong>always</strong> the responsibility of the individual to find sufficient challenges to remain sane enough to not kill innocent people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1191599', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: suzy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1185094</link>
		<dc:creator>suzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to comment number 83- God did not inflict suffering on Job, Satan did..... and Job still held firm in his faith. I completely agree with this man and frankly, it scares me how out of whack our society has become. We attack Christianity, saying people shouldn&#039;t bring there religion into things.  Considering the definition of religion is, &quot; the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices&quot;, I would say that evolution is indeed a religion.  All i know is that God is sovereign.  I trust him because he saved me and he didn&#039;t have to because  we are all born disgusting sinners. It&#039;s our choice whether or not we accept him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to comment number 83- God did not inflict suffering on Job, Satan did&#8230;.. and Job still held firm in his faith. I completely agree with this man and frankly, it scares me how out of whack our society has become. We attack Christianity, saying people shouldn&#8217;t bring there religion into things.  Considering the definition of religion is, &#8221; the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices&#8221;, I would say that evolution is indeed a religion.  All i know is that God is sovereign.  I trust him because he saved me and he didn&#8217;t have to because  we are all born disgusting sinners. It&#8217;s our choice whether or not we accept him.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1185094', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mexico501 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CBS News Commentary Blames School Shootings On Evolution and Abortion</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1036778</link>
		<dc:creator>Mexico501 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CBS News Commentary Blames School Shootings On Evolution and Abortion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Page Summary: We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. Three were killed instantly and two more died today from fatal injuries. Who would have enough contact with the Amish to have a grudge against one of their schools?In other words, what was the grudge. Of course these big coporations move with glacial speed so they are stuck with this tactic even though the country is going to swing decidely liberal in about a month.read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Page Summary: We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. Three were killed instantly and two more died today from fatal injuries. Who would have enough contact with the Amish to have a grudge against one of their schools?In other words, what was the grudge. Of course these big coporations move with glacial speed so they are stuck with this tactic even though the country is going to swing decidely liberal in about a month.read more&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg story [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1036778', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TheDevilsDue</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1002122</link>
		<dc:creator>TheDevilsDue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr. Rohrbough suffered a great loss and is certainly entitled to his opinion. But CBS does not have to broadcast his extreme views to millions of people.&quot;

Absolutely classic.  Michael Moore uses Columbine to push the ban of guns.  No problem.  Cindy Sheehan uses the death of her son as a sounding board to call the President a terrorist and murderer.  No problem.  But when Brian Rohrbough speaks, Think Progress is concerned about his &quot;extreme views.&quot;  So much for credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Rohrbough suffered a great loss and is certainly entitled to his opinion. But CBS does not have to broadcast his extreme views to millions of people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely classic.  Michael Moore uses Columbine to push the ban of guns.  No problem.  Cindy Sheehan uses the death of her son as a sounding board to call the President a terrorist and murderer.  No problem.  But when Brian Rohrbough speaks, Think Progress is concerned about his &#8220;extreme views.&#8221;  So much for credibility.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1002122', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SPADY</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-1002029</link>
		<dc:creator>SPADY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;YOU ALL ARE IDIOTS IF GOD WERE IN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE NONE OF THIS WOULD EVER HAPPEN&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>YOU ALL ARE IDIOTS IF GOD WERE IN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE NONE OF THIS WOULD EVER HAPPEN</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1002029', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Net Crap (10/4) at Musings of a Chicagoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Net Crap (10/4) at Musings of a Chicagoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Father of slain Columbine student attributes shooting at AMISH school to &#8230; insufficient religion in the schools?!  (tags: whaddafuck weird religion) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: logic</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-989326</link>
		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it mighty humorous that one &quot;radical conservative&quot; man can cause such an uproar among liberals. It&#039;s as if this man represents a &lt;strong&gt;paradigm shift&lt;/strong&gt; in the media as a whole. I&#039;m sorry he got off topic and i don&#039;t feel it was his place to insert personal beliefs, but if the same standard were placed on media as a whole I feel sure it would fall painfully short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it mighty humorous that one &#8220;radical conservative&#8221; man can cause such an uproar among liberals. It&#8217;s as if this man represents a <strong>paradigm shift</strong> in the media as a whole. I&#8217;m sorry he got off topic and i don&#8217;t feel it was his place to insert personal beliefs, but if the same standard were placed on media as a whole I feel sure it would fall painfully short.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=989326', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-980209</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Brian Rohrbough is absolutely right.  Not only is society suffering from moral bankruptcy, what is being taught within the public education system in the form of naturalistic, religious philosophy, is the main culprit fueling the demise.  And instead of actually addressing the problem of school shootings (as well as other moral issues) in a manner where the root of the problem is exposed and corrected, what we see instead are those who refuse to think through to the logical conclusion what naturalism has brought us, and hence the beat goes on.  Therefore, apart from honest and open inquiry we are destined to see more and more students abused, maimed, and murdered.  But, given the attitudes of so many that have been shaped by naturalism, is there really a reason why any one of them should care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Brian Rohrbough is absolutely right.  Not only is society suffering from moral bankruptcy, what is being taught within the public education system in the form of naturalistic, religious philosophy, is the main culprit fueling the demise.  And instead of actually addressing the problem of school shootings (as well as other moral issues) in a manner where the root of the problem is exposed and corrected, what we see instead are those who refuse to think through to the logical conclusion what naturalism has brought us, and hence the beat goes on.  Therefore, apart from honest and open inquiry we are destined to see more and more students abused, maimed, and murdered.  But, given the attitudes of so many that have been shaped by naturalism, is there really a reason why any one of them should care?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=980209', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-974437</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people really are something.  

The thing that you have a problem with is that someone hit the nail on the head.  The truth hurts.

I can&#039;t believe how stupid your comments are.

What makes YOUR rights to free speech (which you obviously exercise on this website) are any more important that those of Christians.  

You teach &quot;tolerance&quot; but expect it from us, and refuse to show it to anyone else.

I also find it deplorable that when someone says that are children are precious (yes, even unborn ones) someone can take offense with it.

I do believe in a woman&#039;s right to choice.  THIS RIGHT SHOULD BE EXERCISED BEFORE HAVING SEX.  Our society teaches our children that you don&#039;t have to be responsible or accountable for your actions.  

I really feel sorry for you people, and will keep you in my prayers.

One day, you will acknowledge God as God, I&#039;m just glad that I choose to now.

In Christ&#039;s service always,
Beth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people really are something.  </p>
<p>The thing that you have a problem with is that someone hit the nail on the head.  The truth hurts.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe how stupid your comments are.</p>
<p>What makes YOUR rights to free speech (which you obviously exercise on this website) are any more important that those of Christians.  </p>
<p>You teach &#8220;tolerance&#8221; but expect it from us, and refuse to show it to anyone else.</p>
<p>I also find it deplorable that when someone says that are children are precious (yes, even unborn ones) someone can take offense with it.</p>
<p>I do believe in a woman&#8217;s right to choice.  THIS RIGHT SHOULD BE EXERCISED BEFORE HAVING SEX.  Our society teaches our children that you don&#8217;t have to be responsible or accountable for your actions.  </p>
<p>I really feel sorry for you people, and will keep you in my prayers.</p>
<p>One day, you will acknowledge God as God, I&#8217;m just glad that I choose to now.</p>
<p>In Christ&#8217;s service always,<br />
Beth<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=974437', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this man, but from view of science.  for 50 to 120 science has known that evolution has never made past the idea stage.  There is not any facts or evidence to support, yet it has been in our text books as fact, when the truth is IT IS NOT.  Let us get real.  I have seen both sides of it and the Bible has a lot more evidence for a creator than to say we just happen from nothing.  Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this man, but from view of science.  for 50 to 120 science has known that evolution has never made past the idea stage.  There is not any facts or evidence to support, yet it has been in our text books as fact, when the truth is IT IS NOT.  Let us get real.  I have seen both sides of it and the Bible has a lot more evidence for a creator than to say we just happen from nothing.  Thank you<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=967267', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-961459</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shortly after Columbine this same wingnutjob published something I saw on the internet saying that availability of guns had nothing to do with it.  The problem was that prayer didn&#039;t exist in the school anymore.  I recall that back in his good ol&#039; days, a gang with zip guns considered itself well armed.  Remember them,  single shot .22&#039;s made from pipes and strips of innertube to work the hammer?  Now anyone has access to high powered, repeating weapons.  Is anyone in their right mind going to say that the reason people used zip guns and not automatic weapons was that they prayed in school?

This guy obviously doesn&#039;t and probably never did have the ability to rationally analyze facts, but the unfortunate thing is that there are so many like him.  If there weren&#039;t, Hannity, O&#039;Reilly and Limbaugh would be on food stamps, not hauling in big dollars for their ranting and raving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shortly after Columbine this same wingnutjob published something I saw on the internet saying that availability of guns had nothing to do with it.  The problem was that prayer didn&#8217;t exist in the school anymore.  I recall that back in his good ol&#8217; days, a gang with zip guns considered itself well armed.  Remember them,  single shot .22&#8217;s made from pipes and strips of innertube to work the hammer?  Now anyone has access to high powered, repeating weapons.  Is anyone in their right mind going to say that the reason people used zip guns and not automatic weapons was that they prayed in school?</p>
<p>This guy obviously doesn&#8217;t and probably never did have the ability to rationally analyze facts, but the unfortunate thing is that there are so many like him.  If there weren&#8217;t, Hannity, O&#8217;Reilly and Limbaugh would be on food stamps, not hauling in big dollars for their ranting and raving.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=961459', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-954532</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,
After reading all 222 of these comments I must say, &quot;Where has Truth gone&quot;?
I have seen lots of things that are true, but very little truth. 
First Thought,
I have seen many, many people who I can tell deem themselves as intelectually self-righteous casting a lot of stones at a man they have niether met, nor investigated. Yet they call him some really cruel names. Would not the prudent man take some time to see why this man came to the conclusions he did regarding the causes for his sons death?

Second thought,
A wise teacher once gave me a great gift, and it was three words. &quot;INTRINSIC VALUE OBLIGATES&quot;
Which basically means if you percieve something to have value it will dictate your actions towards it. If offered a 1 dollar bill, compared to a 20 dollar bill a sane person would choose the 20 dollar bill every time. If a student/man has been taught that life has no value. That vengence, or selfishness compared to a young life (even life in a womb) is true then where does that leave our society? I see many intelectuals in the left who cry out at the loss of &quot;innocents&quot; on the world stage. Yet the only truly innocent MINORITY that has NO VOICE is deemed unworthy to live. Sentenced to death by the ones who are there to protect the minority. That is TRUTH! 
I fear just as we look back upon Slave owners with such disdaine, so one day will we look upon those who fought for abortion.

Final thought,
After looking at history I have noticed that every generation had its problems it believed it could not overcome. But time does go on taking many of the problems with them, and always briging us more problems to spend our time on.

Thanks,
Tyler

ps I have noticed that I became to dependent on spell checkers in school! Sorry for the typos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,<br />
After reading all 222 of these comments I must say, &#8220;Where has Truth gone&#8221;?<br />
I have seen lots of things that are true, but very little truth.<br />
First Thought,<br />
I have seen many, many people who I can tell deem themselves as intelectually self-righteous casting a lot of stones at a man they have niether met, nor investigated. Yet they call him some really cruel names. Would not the prudent man take some time to see why this man came to the conclusions he did regarding the causes for his sons death?</p>
<p>Second thought,<br />
A wise teacher once gave me a great gift, and it was three words. &#8220;INTRINSIC VALUE OBLIGATES&#8221;<br />
Which basically means if you percieve something to have value it will dictate your actions towards it. If offered a 1 dollar bill, compared to a 20 dollar bill a sane person would choose the 20 dollar bill every time. If a student/man has been taught that life has no value. That vengence, or selfishness compared to a young life (even life in a womb) is true then where does that leave our society? I see many intelectuals in the left who cry out at the loss of &#8220;innocents&#8221; on the world stage. Yet the only truly innocent MINORITY that has NO VOICE is deemed unworthy to live. Sentenced to death by the ones who are there to protect the minority. That is TRUTH!<br />
I fear just as we look back upon Slave owners with such disdaine, so one day will we look upon those who fought for abortion.</p>
<p>Final thought,<br />
After looking at history I have noticed that every generation had its problems it believed it could not overcome. But time does go on taking many of the problems with them, and always briging us more problems to spend our time on.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Tyler</p>
<p>ps I have noticed that I became to dependent on spell checkers in school! Sorry for the typos!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=954532', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: iceman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-951333</link>
		<dc:creator>iceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey...if you can kill a baby with a third trimester abortion just three, two, or even one month before it&#039;s born, why can&#039;t you kill it one month, two months, six years, or sixteen years after &quot;it&quot; is born.

There is a de-valuation of human life in our country that may actually give psychos the &quot;logic&quot; they need for their dastardly deeds.  If we will take the time to think about his comments before rejecting them in knee-jerk fashion, we may find some grain of truth in his rantings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;if you can kill a baby with a third trimester abortion just three, two, or even one month before it&#8217;s born, why can&#8217;t you kill it one month, two months, six years, or sixteen years after &#8220;it&#8221; is born.</p>
<p>There is a de-valuation of human life in our country that may actually give psychos the &#8220;logic&#8221; they need for their dastardly deeds.  If we will take the time to think about his comments before rejecting them in knee-jerk fashion, we may find some grain of truth in his rantings.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=951333', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Atheist Jew</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-949745</link>
		<dc:creator>The Atheist Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If God didn&#039;t want evolution taught in schools, he wouldn&#039;t have placed so many old looking fossils on this planet 6000 years ago when he created the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If God didn&#8217;t want evolution taught in schools, he wouldn&#8217;t have placed so many old looking fossils on this planet 6000 years ago when he created the earth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=949745', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-949364</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rohrbough is right, what you believe about human origins does affect how you value human life.  The path from Darwin to Hitler is well established, for starters just read &quot;From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany&quot; (Palgrave Macmillan, 2004)

Even our Constitution acknowledges that our rights and value are endowed by the Creator.  By contrast if you look to nature for your values you find cruel and caring beghavior--take your pick--and who are you to judge the descission of another?  
Our generation has been told the lie of common descent by the process of natural selection long enough that some are actually begining to live accordingly. 
It is time to wake up and expose the perpetrators of this myth.  For starters just ask the next scientist you see to explain the origin of the information encoded in the DNA of everyliving thing.  You will see more hand waving and hear more just-so-stories than a vaudvill act. 
Start thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rohrbough is right, what you believe about human origins does affect how you value human life.  The path from Darwin to Hitler is well established, for starters just read &#8220;From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany&#8221; (Palgrave Macmillan, 2004)</p>
<p>Even our Constitution acknowledges that our rights and value are endowed by the Creator.  By contrast if you look to nature for your values you find cruel and caring beghavior&#8211;take your pick&#8211;and who are you to judge the descission of another?<br />
Our generation has been told the lie of common descent by the process of natural selection long enough that some are actually begining to live accordingly.<br />
It is time to wake up and expose the perpetrators of this myth.  For starters just ask the next scientist you see to explain the origin of the information encoded in the DNA of everyliving thing.  You will see more hand waving and hear more just-so-stories than a vaudvill act.<br />
Start thinking!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=949364', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-949079</link>
		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments made by liberals on this site are so funny to me. One guys has an opinion that millions of americans share and he is to be shut up! Now you know what conservatives have been dealing with for years with the likes of Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan. When Ann Coulter criticized the 911 widows Liberals screamed but now that the tables are turned they are doing the same thing to this guy. We believe in free speech as long as it is the speech that we want to hear. Liberals are the biggest hypocrites. We will listen to anyones nonsense and sympothize with them as long as it is not a conservative Evangelical Americans. Why can you not see the double standard that you have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments made by liberals on this site are so funny to me. One guys has an opinion that millions of americans share and he is to be shut up! Now you know what conservatives have been dealing with for years with the likes of Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan. When Ann Coulter criticized the 911 widows Liberals screamed but now that the tables are turned they are doing the same thing to this guy. We believe in free speech as long as it is the speech that we want to hear. Liberals are the biggest hypocrites. We will listen to anyones nonsense and sympothize with them as long as it is not a conservative Evangelical Americans. Why can you not see the double standard that you have?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=949079', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine/comment-page-5/#comment-948212</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all you 

&lt;blockquote&gt;so called 
americans out there that believe that this guy should be shut up, or at least not be aired,  are speaking out of stupidity.  why did you respond by giving your opinion, like you opinion is more valueable than his?  this man you critisize, did his homework.   do you even know how this country was founded?  why did christopher columbus come over here in the first place?
all you critisizers are the unimformed idiots.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all you </p>
<blockquote><p>so called<br />
americans out there that believe that this guy should be shut up, or at least not be aired,  are speaking out of stupidity.  why did you respond by giving your opinion, like you opinion is more valueable than his?  this man you critisize, did his homework.   do you even know how this country was founded?  why did christopher columbus come over here in the first place?<br />
all you critisizers are the unimformed idiots.</p></blockquote>
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