Hastert: Foley Scandal Is A Liberal Conspiracy To ‘Get To Me’ And ‘Affect Our Election’
Hastert: Foley Scandal Is A Liberal Conspiracy To ‘Get To Me’ And ‘Affect Our Election’
Interviewed by Rush Limbaugh today, House Speaker Hastert said Mark Foley’s inappropriate behavior was “a political issue” and promised Rush that “we are going on offense.”
The “offense” is an effort to portray the scandal as a conspiracy specifically timed by liberals to affect the elections. “We are the insulation to protect this country,” Hastert declared, “and if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as well”:
SPEAKER HASTERT: There were two pieces of paper out there, one that we knew about and we acted on; one that happened in 2003 we didn’t know about, but somebody had it, and, you know, they’re trying — and they drop it the last day of the session, you know, before we adjourn on an election year. Now, we took care of Mr. Foley. We found out about it, asked him to resign. He did resign. He’s gone. We asked for an investigation. We’ve done that. We’re trying to build better protections for these page programs.
But, you know, this is a political issue in itself, too, and what we’ve tried to do as the Republican Party is make a better economy, protect this country against terrorism — and we’ve worked at it ever since 9/11, worked with the president on it — and there are some people that try to tear us down. We are the insulation to protect this country, and if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as well.
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What a maroon.
Sean: 2006 minus 3 is 2003. If some Democrats found out about these instant messages 3 years ago, which you have zero evidence for, then why weren’t they used in the 2004 Presidential elections?
What’s that sound? It’s the sound of you REEEEEEEAAAAAACHING.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmIt’s all CLin…
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmno.. NO.. it’s all the gays fau….
Oh wait! Now it’s the DEMS fault!
I’m getting whiplash.
Great.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmDruggie Limpblow & Slannity are now our moral conscience.
Hastert, you fat ass, the only facts you’re concerned about
is how to make more money.
You’re a liar, not a leader.
The day I believe anything Limpblow says is the day I vote Red.
(Don’t hold your breath.)
Please, go on the “offense”, show just how “tough” you aren’t on Child Predators…
Man, It’s about time the Grand Old Perverts are shown for what they are: Power, nothing but.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmHave we seen through these people yet? Had enough?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:17 pmAmazing. I guess the liberals are responsible for covering up Foley’s behavior. Yeah, right. It’s all them. THEM, THEM, THEM, THEM… brought to you by the party of responsibility.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:17 pmMore Rovian talking points. It won’t work this time. GOP can’t blame liberals for Foley’s transgressions. GOP doesn’t have moral high ground. They are beneath contempt.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:17 pmEvery time he opens his mouth he somehow manages to shove his foot in deeper.
How do you talk when your almost shin deep?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmWho is this “they” that he keeps trying to blame. It was one of your own guys cardinal Hastert! You and your party did this to yourselves. Ironic how they hate that Clinton tried to blame the vast rightwing conspiracy, but they then try and do the same.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmWho is this “they” that he keeps trying to blame. It was one of your own guys cardinal Hastert! You and your party did this to yourselves. Ironic how they hate that Clinton tried to blame the vast rightwing conspiracy, but they then try and do the same.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmNo, Denny, there is no “liberal conspiracy” here. The Foley thin would be no big deal for the GOP if you hadn’t tried to cover the whole thing up. Hastert is right in that it will affect the election. http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmThe GOP is in trouble.
Who knew about it and did NOTHING?
GOP (and now apparently Faux News)
Who stated it looks like an issue that could effect the elections?
GOP
Who kept the matter from the Democrat on the Page committee?
GOP
Who will be the new Majority come Nov because America has HAD ENOUGH?
DEMS
America sees right through your failures, incompetent, and disdain for governance.
Don’t feel bad for these assclown they are just going to be lobbyists before they had planned.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmWasn’t he a wrestling coach? Do you think Denny also felt up a few twinkies in his day? Maybe they were buddies, he and Foley. Maybe they got together to go fishin for some chicken meat. Someone had better get a warrant on all of Denny’s computers.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmWe found out about it, asked him to resign. Really? The GOP got him to resign? It didn’t result from ABC showing him the emails?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmNews to me.
The Bush administration has now successfully brought Congress into line so that men held in Guantánamo Bay will be denied the right to habeas corpus. If they are tried at all, it will be before military commissions and the prisoners will not know what evidence is given against them. In addition, evidence will be accepted that is hearsay or obtained by torture. And, the US president can now arbitrarily detain anyone, anywhere, who he deems an enemy combatant, and they can no longer count on the legal process to protect them. This is the most serious perversion of the US constitution, and a green light to regimes around the world who prefer to “disappear” people rather than try them – practices that were notorious and condemned worldwide under military regimes in Latin America and Africa a generation ago.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmThe Republicans have had six years to do SOMETHING to protect our children from school violence, and they’ve done nothing at all!
Why do the Republicans hate our school children?!?! WHY!?!?!?
See how easy it is to point fingers rather than doing something to stop (insert problem here).
If the Republicans have the power, and they’ve wasted their time chasing after underage boys and trying to get donations, how are they better for our country?
Vote for anyone OTHER than a Republican, unless you like “borrow and aquander”, no safe place for underage pages, war with no end in sight, and debt higher than Pres. Bush doing blow.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmYou can see the raw footage of John Laesch addressing this issue yesterday in Chicago here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLMQyu_AGCs
Just uploaded minutes before post!
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:24 pm[...] Denny Hastert. Why oh why do liberals hate America? Permalink| [...]
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmJust when you thought Hastert had hit bottom, he pulls out his shovel and keeps on digging.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmAnother thing: if we’re speculating on who held off the information for political purposes…
…what if the GOP did it to themselves? What if they saw they were going to lose Congress in a big way, and decided to fall on a sword of their own choosing? Is there a better way to reinforce their gay-bashing constituency than to throw them an egregious example of their own?
A Night of the Long Knives has “purged” more than one political party of its unseemly elements over the years…
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmWhat’s sad about this whole Foley debacle is…
…Foley too is a victim…
…of the crass, ignorant, racist, bigoted attitudes the majority culture (by and large) in America has towards homosexuals, minorities and just anybody who’s different…
…would this even be an issue (the boy’s age notwithstanding) had Foley (and others like him including Bush, Gannon, and all the other White House closet gays)…
…been allowed to come out at an early age…
…without fear of physical, emotional, professional and all other forms of harrassment and condemnation?
…this morning a Repulsivescum Bushite caller on C-Span (from Illinois) called in and like all of the other repulsivescum inbred Bushites equivocated Foley’s behavior and brought up Clinton and Franks…
…he ended his comments by referring to Democrats as the party of pedophiles…
…I tried mightily to get in to rebut his remarks…
…one MAJOR omission from this whole scandal and “debate”is the fact that…
…this boy’s parents (obviously Repulsivescum Bushites)…
…didn’t want the issue pressed…
…regardless of WHY they didn’t want the issue pressed…
…the FACT remains that by keeping it quiet, covering it up, and allowing the Repulsivescum Party leadership in Congress to do likewise…
…they ALL endangered OTHER 16 year old pages (and God only knows how many other children in these Repulsivescum inbreds’ communities and families)…
…so now WHO’s the Party of pedophiles?…
…and Mr. Illinois can you say Congressman Jerry Scuznik (last name spelling erroneous for sure)…
…the Illinois Repulsivescum representative who despite being caught having an affair with a 17 year old male page…
…was re-elected by Illinois voters and eventually retired from Congress?…
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmI’m sorry…I know this is a minor quibble, in the grand scheme of things, but….
“and if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as wellâ€
OUR election?
STFU Denny.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmThese people are clinically freakin’ insane.
As others have noted, if this was all known in 2003, why not bring it up before the ‘04 presidential election?
If it’s the liberals’ fault, why did Fox News also sit on the e-mails (pun acknowledged, not intended)?
What happened to all that pesonal responsibility the G(r)OPers crow about?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:29 pmEvidently the GOP and Hastert in particular, find this whole “America’s media doesn’t want to support pedophiles” thing a bit objectionable. I wonder why?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:29 pmThe mean old Democrats….ain’t they bad people. Covering up the actions a sexual predator just for political purposes for three years and then getting a $100,000 campaign contribution kickback to keep hush about it, then not involving the other political side in dealing with this because they are too partisan…..wait was that the Dems?…..
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmAgain,
Anyone who knew about this should resign including Hasert.
I believe Hasert was saying that these other IM’s and such he didn’t know about but some Dems did and held them until right before the Election. He is right or at least looks that way. ABC is part of the left wing of the Dem party. If they knew or had these IM’s for years and just came out with them know, whoever it was at ABC who knew should go to jail. If we find out that ABC or any other left wing group had these for over 2 years and didn’t call the authorities, they really belong in a Federal jail along with Hasert.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmHell yeah its a conspiracy, and it’s going swimmingly. Bye HeyFart.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmYeah, it’s the liberals fault. It’s a liberal conspiracy who forced Foley to chase young boys, and covered it all up until now. Hastert had nothing whatsoever to do with it. When ABC entertainment ran a smear piece on Clinton a few weeks ago, that was fair game – but this one, involving young pages is a conspiracy. These guys are twisted.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:31 pmHouse Speaker Hastert said Mark Foley’s inappropriate behavior was “a political issue†and promised Rush that “we are going on offense.â€
Keep digging Denny, that hole needs to get a bit deeper.
I’d like to see Denny say to the page’s parents that Foley’s behavior was a political issue. He’d get slugged in the guts.
Going on offense? Too late, Denny, you’re already offensive.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:31 pmIf the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America has to resort to pleading his case on the talk radio show of such a contemptible druggie as Rush Limbaugh, it is all over for that man.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:31 pmNot nearly enough people in the US who vote have any respect or even regard for Limbaugh to make any difference in this coming election.
Fat Bassturd, run for your life…
Here comes Election with a carving knife…
About a month ago, the GOP announced their upcoming election strategy: to “dig up dirt” on Democrats and hurl it to the public. (Sean Hannity, apparently, thought that was fine).
At any rate, Hastert’s positioning is an act of desparation. The FBI had some of the emails and IMs in the middle of summer, and FOX news apparently had but quashed the story long before ABC took it to the public.
Hastert’s toast. He’s the only one who doesn’t know it. Except maybe Limbaugh.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmWhy do the American people and especially the MSM allow them to turn a scandal into an attack on the left?
The soul of this nation is dying and the MSM is preventing Aid workers from administering CPR.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmNew Repug slogan:
Save the Hastertcyst! Don’t let them destroy the Hastertcyst, it’s god’s creation.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmGoing on offense? Hell, these guys have been offensive for years.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmRogerx2,
I really appreciate that you agree anyone involved in this should resign immediately.
ABC, the network that aired The Path to 9/11, is not part of the liberal media. They are simply, finally, doing their job and reporting the news.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmRoger_Roger
ABC released path to 9/11. Both ABC News is owned by the same company, and ultimately answers to the same guys.
Yeah shoowah they are the Democrat version of Fox News.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmI’m tellin ya – we’re going to have to wage a full-blown, armed and bloody civil war to rid ourselves of the wingnut contingent. They are so deep in the kool-aid, and so firmly entrenched in business and the media that nothing else will work. A generation of simpletons will continue to support them no matter how heinous and obvious their crimes, and nothing that a bunch of us can say or do will reverse the National course. That’s not pessimism talking, either, it’s the plain old practical truth.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pmSo, which Democrat put a gun to Foley’s head and force him to type those emails to underage boys?
I mean, if it IS the Dems fault, then clearly Foley didn’t write those kids of his own volition. Because, you see, then it would be…HIS fault. And anyone who knew about it but did nothing…THEIR fault. So yeah, it makes sense that there’s this vast Democratic network that forced Foley to act like he wanted to touch young boys inappropriately, and then forced any GOPers who found about it to keep their mouths shut. THAT’S why there’s a Democratic minority, because if they were doing all this kind of chicanery while in the majority, THAT might seem odd…
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmWhy are the conservatives criminalizing politics?
Bringing this out at this time is just politics as usual. You dork wads have used timing for everying. Now that the tables are turned your crying foul. Gimme a break, the right has been playing dirty politics for 12 years now. Go take a leap.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmBoth ABC News should read:
Both that and ABC News.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:38 pm“ABC is part of the left wing of the Dem party.”
Considering the fictional show aired on ABC a few weeks ago presented as a representation of the 9/11 Commission findings, this statement is as delusional as Hastert’s claim.
The corporate networks prefer Republicans in power for deregulation purposes. Just follow the money.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmAnyone sick and tired of all this? I certainly am. Either party deserves our votes. Let’s send them a message – vote for the third party of your choice, any third party will do.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pmYes, if you’re listening to the Limbaugh show in the first place (and not for ironic purposes or keeping tabs for TP) you’re probably not going to be voting democrat no matter what. What I guess will happen is that much of their base will simply not vote on election day. And what independents they had in the last two election cycles will probably not vote for them or vote Dem.
Hastert can’t wait this one out. He, his office and his party now smell of hypocrisy and child endangerment.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmAll of the defenders, Hastart, Hannity, Coulter, that other dork on a previous thread. All are blowing air in vain. This has severly crippled the Republican party for November, and all the spin in the world ain’t gonna fix it.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmHey TP, how about that interrogation bill? Hmmmm?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:43 pmNull
While normally I would agree with you on voting a third party, in the context of this story all it shows is that you shouldn’t vote Republican.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:43 pmHi Truth,
How they hangin’?
:-)
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:43 pmWhy are you guys attacking Foley with such Vigor?
Do you remember Gerry Studs (D)? He was also a congressman from Massachusetts. He admitted to having sex with a underage male Page. Did the Dems tell him to resign? NOPE and he continued in congress until his retirement in 1996.
How about Barney Franks (D). Also from Massachusetts. This man paid for male prostitutes. He also lived with one and let this male prostitute run a prostitution business out of his apartment. He also got this “friend” out of 30 parking tickets. Did the Dems demand he resign? NOPE and he is still serving. He is also a very in demand speaker for the left wing and is labeled as the “Conscience of the party”.
Of course I could also add President Clinton to the list. Having an affair with a 21 year old staffer was disgusting and very wrong. Did the dems ask him to resign? Nope and they still talk of him as one of there greatest presidents even though his actions were a horrible example for today’s youth.
So, this Foley is an evil man. Did the repugs demand he resign? Yupe and are now calling for a full investigation.
If they knew about it earlier, they should also resign. All this filth sets a horrible example for our youth. How do we expect them to act in a moral way when our leaders like Clinton (D), Gerry Studs (D), and Barney Franks (D) all did horrible immoral acts and are propped up as the moral conscience of there party? If the repugs knew about these IM’s since 03′ they also (those that knew) should be forced to resign as well.
At least this is a repug. We know what happens when a Dem has sex with an underage page. They get a pass.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:43 pmit is clearly very much worse than they are saying for them to come out attacking others the “librul medja”. Fox news knew all about it and hid it, wonder why? How many republican congress people are involved in the coverup? we should start a pool. I am going to start the bidding at 24
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmLet’s listen to Denny’s phone calls, capture his e-mails and finally, sent him to the Bush goone squads for torture. We’ll get the truth out of this old fart.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmYeah – Like if the Democrats had it in 2003 they wouldn’t have used in the 2004 elections?! How idiotic.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmThat silly clown can really look himself in the eye when he is spouting such crap because his rectal/cranial insertion matches that of DUHbya. It is fitting that the only fool that would listen to him without regurgitation is Rash Limpdick but then Rash is regurgitation per se.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pmGood job Roger,
Bring up stuff from 1983, cool. Fox did it yesterday, is that where you got the idea?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 pm“…could affect our election…”
Interesting use of the possessive. Not “the election”. Not “our chances in the election.” But rather “our election”.
Not to mention the copout paranoia “out to get me” BS.
Freud would have had a heyday with these people…
and then offered them a bump…
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmHi Zooey,
Hangin free and easy. How you doin’?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pm#26 Roger_Roger You are out of your mind. The Dems did not know about this. It is all REPUBLICANS NOT THE DEMS. The Republican should go to jail. The ABC is Republican not Democrat. They put that ridiculous movie out Path to 9-11 and all the lies smearing Clinton and it was Old Bushies fault we had 9-11 happen not Clintons.
We will win in November and there is nothing you can do about this. HA!!HA!!!
This is unbelievable that the Republican are spinning this.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmThis is an interesting comment from Hastert:
“we’ve tried to do as the Republican Party is make a better economy, protect this country against terrorism — and we’ve worked at it ever since 9/11,”
So before 9/11 they weren’t working on a better economy or terrorism!!! How telling.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmRoger_Roger
First off, the Democrats never really made a big deal about being the party of morality.
Second: Monica Lewinsky: Age 21. She was not a minor, she knew what she was doing.
Third: Barney Frank: No evidence exists showing he used the prostitutes, what actually happened was that the prostitution business was being run out of his home. And PS: The prostitutes also had their majority.
Fourth: Gerry Studs: Is no longer current, and was, as you said, put to pasture in 1996. That was almost 10 years ago.
This current issue is about right now, and right now you have in Congress a guy who is willing to let something like that slide thanks to party loyalties. In other words, he didn’t report it because he was more afraid of the press from it, then of the harm to the child. That, I view, as being unnacceptable from a elected official who makes a big deal about his party being the party of responsibility.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmHow about that time about a hundred years ago when a Republican did something wrong?
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmWhy are you guys attacking Foley with such Vigor?
What? We’re done with him – now it’s on to Hastert, Boehner, Reynolds, and that one whose name I can’t spell. Pass the popcorn – this scandal could last well into November!
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:53 pmRoger
You don’t GET to proclaim moral superiority and then say “Clinton did it”
You don’t GET to look back 25 -30 years and say “well it happened then”
You don’t GET to make laws protecting minors and then break the VERY SAME LAWS YOU WROTE
You don’t GET to pass DOMA and attempt to pass constitutional amendments limiting rights of a group of people and then say “we would have been labeled as gay bashing”
YOU DON’T GET IT!
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:53 pmFortruth,
I didn’t get that info from anyone, I still remember it. What is good for the goose is good for the gander I suppose. I am just curious why you guys are attacking him for nasty emails and IM’s while you man actually admitted to having sex with an underage page and you let him continue to serve until he retired in 96′. Clinton and Barney Frank are also great examples of what your party does with those that commit horrible and immoral acts. Hell, my guess is you will even put HIllary Clinton up for President even though she didn’t leave her Husband the moment she found out about his affair. Another great example for the young of America.
I don’t care what party your from. When you do these immoral acts, you need to be punished by your party ASAP. We wonder why our youth are becoming more immoral. Just look at congress and a former President (and maybe his ‘wife’ in name only).
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:53 pm…if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as well.
Who’s this “they” that’s going to affect “our” election? Do we need any additional evidence to prove that to Hastert and the rest of his Nazi brethren, elections and democracy are only for those who goose-step in line with him and the rest of the brownshirts? Last time I checked, it certainly was OUR election — meaning Americans, not just red Americans. And he’s the speaker of OUR House (well, at least for the time being…).
What a complete and utter waste of human protoplasm…perhaps he should just have that heart attack he’s been fighting off for years and the rest of us can get on with cleaning up the sesspool he’s left behind at the end of Pennsylvania Avenue…
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmRoger,
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmIf you really don’t understand the difference between consensual sex between adults and pedophilia, and why the latter is an issue while the former is not newsworthy, that’s a serious problem. If you know better, but you’re intentionally trying to blur them together, you’re being dishonest with us and dishonest with yourself.
You are exactly right, Mr. Hastert. The American people smell blood, and we will do whatever it takes to bring you and your party down. All is fair in election year politics. Don’t pretend you don’t know how the game is played.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmGosh, Hasert is protecting the country.
That must be what the bribes from Turkey are about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert
Thanks, Denny!
ps.
Make some dough on land for your trouble.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmWe know what happens when a Dem has sex with an underage page. They get a–
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October 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmWow..Just when I thought Hastert couldn’t do anything more stupid and inept than before, he keeps managing to raise the bar.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:56 pmhttp://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
this goes way beck, way deep…
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmThe Frank and Studds thing is not relavant to today. That issue already had its heyday, why even waste your time?
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmThat man would have sex with every page in Congress if he thought it would help him get reelected.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:02 pmBruce+Gorton,
I fully agree. Foley, Hasert, and any other congressmen that knew about this 1-2 years ago, should be asked to resign right this moment.
I was just pointing out how sad it is that people like Hasert, Clinton, Franks, Hillary Clinton, Studs, and anyone who knew about there imoral ways aren’t asked to resign. The fact that Studs had sex with an underage page and Foley had bad IM’s with one make there immorality even worse. That doesn’t excuse Franks for paying for sex or having a gay prostitution business operate out of his house. It surely doesn’t excuse Bill Clinton for cheating on his wife with a young girl that worked under him and probably feared for her job. Lastly, it doesn’t excuse Hillary Clinton for doing the immoral action of not leaving her Husband when she found out.
These are all very immoral people. Sadly, most not only didn’t resign, but are propped up by there party as there leaders.
Hasert and those that knew about Franks, Studs, and Clinton and didn’t do anything about it right away should also resign. There inaction is almost as bad as the actions of these immoral people.
I really don’t care half as much about which law they broke. I care alot more about what this all looks like for today’s youth. We have people in power that are married, yet having affairs. We have people that know about other congressmen potentially harming children and don’t do a thing. We have leaders that have affairs on there wives and are propped up as “great”.
This all is a horrible example for today’s youth.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:02 pmGuess what Roger, I wasn’t into politics back then, I didn’t even know about it until you whiny little babies had to re-hash it. That sucks that the guy wasn’t removed, he should have been.
Today is today, and what can you do to fix this?
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:03 pmAre you sure you want to go with that one, Denny? I know you guys don’t have much to work with, but I just don’t think the voters are going to buy it. I realize you don’t give them credit for having brains, and a lot of times it seems like they don’t. But, I think you’re dangerously underestimating their intelligence if you think you can convince them that liberals have caused all this bad stuff to happen to you.
The voters aren’t going to forget who all the players are: Foley, you, Boehner, Reynolds, Shimkus, Fox News. All Republicans. You guys sat on the story for years. You deliberately kept it a secret from the one Democrat on the page committee (oh no, that couldn’t have been a political move), you guys warned the pages who reported to Republicans about Foley but gave no such warning to the Democrats’ pages (no political motive there) and then you left Foley to chair the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children Caucus as if nothing had ever happened, so as not to draw suspicion.
Whatever you do, don’t resign. Stay right where you are and fight any efforts to unseat you so the story can keep getting stirred up over the next five weeks. Thanks, man.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:03 pmNow to the real news..
Will Americans Seek Repeal Of Constitution Killing Enabling Act?
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:04 pmOr are Mark Foley’s perverted e mails of more importance to the existence of freedom in the United States?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/terror_laws_will_americans_seek_repeal_constitution_killing_acts.htm
Actually, the page in question was 17 (the age of consent). Oh, and what about Dan Crane (R)? He didn’t resigne, either.
And here’s some info on Frank:
And Lewinsky? She was 23.
All you’re doing is obfuscating the issue.
Besides, you don’t want me to bring up the 34 Republicans indicted or charged with sick sexual proclivities, do you?
Ooops … too late.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmTo be clear, tha argument against the Republicans and their CYA behavior is neither the gay (or anti-gay) nor the pederasty position. It is simply the issue of another “moral values” Republican abusing his position of power. The hypocritical rhetoric of “trust us” and “we are better for you than the Democrats” is belied by actual behavior. I mean, words are air but events are brass.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmThe homosexuals I know are disgusted and outraged over Foley’s pediphilia. That said, if the reaction to this is to oust gays from Republican office, are the Bush supporters ready to take out Dreier, Melhman, Rove, to name just a few? There are a lot of them lurking in their closets on the Republican side.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:07 pmOh my God! If this hadn’t been exposed, it would have just gone on and on, with Foley doing who knows what and Hastert doing nothing!
Horrible!
It’s like 9/11. “We didn’t know there was a threat…. ”
Yeah, you did, you were warned!
These people are clueless!
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmI would take this with a grain of salt, smells like Rover
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmWow… Ya know, everyday is fairly disgusting living under a republican administration, but reading the stories today, the puke factor is off the charts. The pigs are cornered and lashing out, get ready for a looong election season.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmOK, tell me, as one who has lived 4000 miles from the USA for the last 10 years what ROTFL means. And yes, I vote absentee every election!!
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmRoger:
“it doesn’t excuse Hillary Clinton for doing the immoral action of not leaving her Husband when she found out.”
What!?!! Isn’t it technically a “sin” and therefore immoral to Divorce? What the hell are you talking about?
No really.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmtwo grains of salt..
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmI see. Because Hastert failed to do what he SHOULD HAVE DONE a year ago, we should be thankful that’s HE DONE NOW what he SHOULD HAVE DONE a year ago, but he WOULDN”T HAVE DONE NOW if not for liberal conspirators. And people calling for Hastert’s resignation aren’t doing so because HE ALLOWED Foley to CONTINUE his predatory/illegal behavior toward young boys, it’s because people want to make it a political issue. In other words, it isn’t about the PAGES and HIS responsibility to PROTECT THEM from sexual predators or that REPUBLICANS have asked SPECIFICALLY for his resignation. It’s not about the pages, morality or right and wrong, it’s really about Republicans desperately trying to hold on to their majority by any and every means possible.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:13 pmHee hee!
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmYes, it’s that ULTRA LIBERAL ABC news that broke the story. You know, that BASTION OF LIBERAL BROADCASTING that showed the Path to 9/11 recently?
Roger_Roger
Hillary Clinton? Sorry it was Bill that was screwing around and I doubt he filled Hillary in on it before it was revealed to everyone else. Blaming the wife for the husband’s infidelity strikes me as being kind of wierd, calling her immoral for forgiving him, well that strikes me as being a little bit, well, reprehensible in itself. Isn’t forgiveness supposed to be divine or something?
The thing about Bill Clinton’s immoral acts, was they didn’t hurt anybody, nobody got exploited, and it was really a matter of his private life. In short, what happens between consenting adults I really don’t give a stuff about, whether in, out of or around wedlock it really isn’t anyone’s business but those participating in the festivities.
Barney Frank, I feel, should have resigned. It is not a matter of thinking of the guy as being immoral, it is a matter of seeing the guy as having been either immoral or totally switched off to things around him. Neither is a trait I want in a leader, I want someone who is reasonably awake.
Lastly, Studs, as someone pointed out there was a major move to make him resign but I do not know if anyone actually has the ability to force someone in that position to do it. It may well have been that he simply said “No.” If Studs was a current issue, I would agree with you but as it stands the man is irrelevent to the current discussion.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm‘OUR ELECTION’, indeed.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:16 pmDoes America want a 1 party system?
Is this what you believe, Hasturd?
You’re no leader, you’re one of the pack.
The doo doo you just stepped in will stay
on you ’till after ‘OUR’ election, Hasturd.
Talking heads, all of them.
Stuck on Clenis again??
I’m sure bigdog didn’t get any sex for a while after that.
Why don’t the trolls have more examples of adultery and amoral unethical predatorial behaviour in a high office than I have shown? Cause their hypocrites.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmIf you Impeached Clinton Then Impeach [Charge] Foley, this isn’t about Hillary. It’s about the do nothing GOP and it’s perverted Reps.
… so… potential criminal wrong doing on the part of ReichWingNuts is a “liberal conspiracy”… right…
Hasert needs to leave. He’s too stupid to hold the position he’s in.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:19 pm“Um, er — it’s — it’s because of the Democrats’ secret cunning — they threw the 2004 elections just to set me up three years later!”
And the loud “CRRRRRAAACK!” we just heard is the sound of his arms snapping off from overreaching.
But, please, Denny — stay in at least until Friday, then resign and let the different GOP House factions fight over who gets to warm the Speaker’s chair for Nancy Pelosi.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pm#50 Roger_Roger
Why are you guys attacking Foley with such Vigor?
Nice try, Roger. I don’t think anyone fell for it, though. You know just as well as we do that we’re not attacking Foley. Go back and read the posts again. This is about Hastert and Limbaugh trying to spin the accountability away from the Republican leadership. It’s the Republicans who would rather focus on Foley. Oh, I guess that’s why you’re trying to do it, too.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmwould hastert go after the provost, deans and president of a private college where a professor sexually abused his children? you bet he would. that is why he has to step down. gay/straight/liberal/conservative/consensual/pedophile/whatever – this is totally irrelevant – the pages are in the care of the US congress – and after repeated warnings they did nothing to protect the safety of their charges. the investigation needs to center on why congress failed to protect more than one page from the innapropriate sexual advances of Foley.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:21 pmDon’t forget, Monica was put up to it by Linda Tripp, who wanted them to have an affair so she could tape-record the resulting phone conversations with Monica and then play them back for her bridge club. (I only wish I were kidding. That’s how evil Linda Tripp is.)
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pm…a young girl that worked under him and probably feared for her job…
O MY GAWD ! read the starr report – it’s like porn…
monica was a hussy – she came on to a powerful man – she went for it…
as an ex-boyfriend tried to explain to me: “what was i to do – she came over and sat on my lap!”
there’s lots of monicas in the world, and bills for that matter…
and too many foleys…
THIS IS ABOUT SEXUAL HARRASSMENT OF A YOUNG PERSON.
AND THE COVER UP BEING CONSPIRED BY REPUBLICANS.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pm.
This is all too ridiculous for words. Typical, but ridiculous. Blaming anyone but the perp. Blame anyone who didn’t know so you can protect the people who covered it up. Shits.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pm“We found out about it, asked him to resign.”
News to me. My understanding was that the psycho decided to resign after ABC News approached him with a sheaf of his own nastygrams. If the House leadership asked him to resign, I’ve seen absolutely no mention of it by anyone until now.
Can Hastert NOT tell a lie?
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:27 pmPerfect example of swiftboating, straight out of Karl Rove’s playbook. If the Dems haven’t caught on to the Republican strategy to slander them at every opportunity, even when a Rep. member of the House turns out to be a pedophile, they’d better think fast.
When Clinton was slandered by ABC’s 9/11 show, he wasted absolutely no time in setting the record straight. It’s time for the Democratic Party to do the same.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmtest
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmWell Mr. Hassert, it could me much worse. What would you say if you learned that hackers have made Diebold machines impervious to tampering even by republican sponsored Diebold goons?
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmpathetic loser blaming others,, line him up and shoot him ,, leave some of that good air for others
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmI believe Barney Frank was not involved in the scandal a few years ago — it was his roommate. I think Frank was exonerated, but fined because he should have known. Someone will provide the facts here.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmPaging Mr. Hastert!
Paging Mr. Hastert!
Now we know what the Republicans mean when they say that they “want to get to the bottom of things”….
Cheers.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:34 pmBruce+Gorton,
Generally I agree with you about affairs being simply a private matter, but that isn’t the case when it is the President of America and the leader of the free world. These are people that our youth look up to. When we simply let this immoral stuff go on with our leaders, it sets a horrible example. Now if some average joe has an affair, it is a private matter (yet still very immoral).
Hilary didn’t forgive Bill. We all know there marriage is one of political convenience at this point and that is immoral. Treating marriage as a stool to advance yourself in a politcal career is very immoral.
I would never let this slide. Thank god Foley is gone already. I truly hope that the Repugs could get on track morally and force Hasert and any other congressmen that knew about this beforehand to resign immediately.
While this issue should be treated as hunt to rid D.C. of immoral people, it will be treated as a political issue only (which is very sad). Washington has a history of letting those that commit these horrible immoral acts of sleeping with underage people, having affairs, and paying for gay prostitutes while being married slide and I am sure they will let Hasert and the rest slide as well.
It is just one more situation that lowers the bar for our moral standard. I guess it can’t get much lower when we have our leaders having sex with children and having affairs with a 21 year old intern.
I believe we should pass a law that actually makes it a felony for any federal congressmen or president to have an affair, simply talk with underage people inappropriately, or pay for sex while being married. Make this felony a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. At least we could then hold our leaders to a higher moral standard. It would be a great message for today’s youth about what is ok morally and what isn’t. If you run for public office, the rules really should change for you as you become a roll model.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmhttp://foleyhero.blogspot.com/
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:40 pmAnd how exactly Mr. Hastert, does this Liberal conspiracy work? Did those evil liberals invent some kind of mind-control pedo-ray, and use it on a poor, unwitting Foley or something?
Well, I suppose Liberals do have all the scientists.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pmRogered Roger:
Gerry Studds’ 1973 boyfriend was 17. The age of consent in D.C. is 16.
Studds broke no laws. Studds’ boyfriend stood beside him at his press conference, after his 1983 censure.
The difference here is that Foley, by seducing a 16-year-old (at least) over the Internet, BROKE A LAW THAT HE HIMSELF WROTE, a lay that makes the Internet seduction of anyone under 18 a felony, regardless of local ages of consent.
Mark Foley made himself a felon, both in the definition and the commission of the crime. It is just too perfect an irony!
As NY Times Magazine ethics columnist Randy Cohen said yesterday on CNN, “If you can’t delight in the downfall of a hypicrite, you have no zest for life.”
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmTom Betz,
I am very happy to see this filth go. I will be happier if the repugs demand Hasert and the rest that knew about this leave. It would make my year if both parties got together on a bill that created a new moral law for our presidents and congress that made it a felony with a very stiff penalty (say 10-20 years) for affairs, sleeping with children, simply talking with children in a sexual way, or paying for sex.
These immoral people need to be ushered out of Washington. I really don’t care what is legal or illegal. It is all morally wrong. When there parties don’t mandate that these people resign, it sends a horrible message to today’s youth. It saddens me to constently hear about this crap. How is it that the repugs will let Hasert and the rest off the hook even though they endagered children? How is it that the Dems let Studs, Franks, and Clinton off the hook even though there immorality was completely inexcusable. the fact that the dems did nothing about it is worse then the act itself because it sends a horrible message to our children.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmRepublicans protect and coddle pedophiles.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmI was the insulation for Foley before I wasn’t -DH
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:52 pmIt wouldn’t have been so politically timed if Republicans didn’t sit on it for so long.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmIt puts me into an ethical quandary. Should we torture Mark Foley, or the kids who seduced him? Or maybe Bill Clinton, ‘cuz he was to blame for the whole thing? I’m sooooo confused.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmthe more i read here, the more confident i am that republicans will retain the house, senate and the white house. why? they are the lesser of two evils. best of the worst. i’m not happy about it, i’m just not deluded.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:57 pmMake this felony a mandatory 10 year prison sentence.
Horror of horrors man, they should have to marry a camel, why would you want to put a women/man thru 10 years of sickness for a crime they did not commit.
No, no, no. The fact is folks we must build a compound for these predatory unethical pigs, and we must train them to walk on four feet again!
2 legs bad 4 legs better!
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pm2 legs bad 4 legs better!
cap con
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:01 pmFormerly I was known as Michelin Man, now I am Insulation Man taaa da daaa!! -DH
Clinton’s affair, Foley’s sexual predator leanings. Both should be admonished. Oh yeah, Bill’s already was and he’ll always be linked to it. To use Condi’s words “Historical information” and “nothing new” when it comes to Slick willy.
Now let’s get into the latest news. Foley’s a creep and Republican’s knew about this pervert and did NOTHING. Thanks for the cannon fodder up until Nov. 7th. Whether you like it or not, how the far right has handled this will be added to the down fall of the right’s majority in both the house and senate.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmi think what hastert and the republicans in general are doing in this case is projection, pure and simple. they don’t know how to get elected or run government without consulting the stained and worn to hell pages of their dirty playbook, so they automatically see everything else, everybody else’s behavior as coming from the same source.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmI’ve said before and I’ll say it again, the Dem’s new slogan should be
Either you’re with us…or with the pedophiles
or
Make no distinction between the pedophiles, and those who harbor them.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmI’ve said before and I’ll say it again, the Dem’s new slogan should be
Either you’re with us…or with the pedophiles
or
Make no distinction between the pedophiles, and those who harbor them.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmguess you forgot about Delay, Abramoff, Mariannas Prostitution, Cunninham, Safavian, Rendition, Ken Lay Enron, Fema Brown, Scooter libby, Parson war profiteer, Rove Plame,Iraq WMD lies,perpetual war, mushroom clounds, Novaks book, Bremer billions missing in Iraq [cash],Yellowcake, Red ink, torture, Predator GOP, isulating predator, Opium Afghanistan, deficits, 2 billion a week for war, trillions of dollars in eventual debt, a war paid thru emergency expenditures, backloaded taxes [yr 2011], cronyism, Alphonso Jackson, Jeff Gannon shill, Rumsfelds screwups, Tenet screwups, Bush ignoring PDBs,,and more.
Yeh your right paul bushco is less evil.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:09 pm“Their out to get me”….yeah right fat man. You’re going down for covering up for a pervert!!!
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmYou must keep me in office or the terrorists have won!
Oh God, no more! I can’t take all this laughing! I’m going to SPLIT A GUT!! ARGGHHH! (thump)
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmHellinabucket,
Oh I agree with you. The repugs should probably lose in November. It would serve them right. They failed to cut the budget, Iraq is a mess, and they don’t even have a moral compass anymore. How can true conservatives vote for Repugs anyways? Most are Repugs in name only. If you come to Washington and you increase the budget, sleep around, and don’t care about morals, your really just another Democrat.
So, your right. We need to get these fake Repugs out of office. Hopefully, in the next election they will actually nominate some true conservatives. People like Bush sicken me. How he calls himself a conservative is beyond me. He may not be part of the far left, but he is definetly left of center. Anyone who signs an increase to the federal budget every single year like he is, can’t be a true conservative.
So, I agree. Get them out of government already.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmWe protected the pedophiles before we did not -GOP
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmSince 2003 we have protected the predators today we do not. –GOP
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:12 pmWhen Hastert talks he doesn’t spit at his interloqutor as much as he used to.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:16 pmI never thought I would miss Tricky Dick -GOP
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmHay,……..T.P and all here ……12 of our soldiers have died in Iraq already this month and it’s only Oct. 3……….Still no post on the miserable bill’s that were shoved through the house and senate last week……This bloated pig is getting all the new’s coverage and is guilty by neglect..Demand he step down and all concerned…..What about the children these pedaphiles have distroyed….
To claim this is a left conspirecy is the usual crazy crap……No libral we know of was making Foly do this and no democrat swept the knoledge of it under the rug….Hay, what about Delay did he know or is he in the “in” crowd…..Why weren’t the police informed and why wasen’t an investigation immediately started when this happened…….Blessings
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:18 pmThe Pope should have appeared on Rush Limbaugh and made the same claim that criticizing them aids the terrorists. This smacks, by the way, of the same type of cover-up that the Catholic Church has now disavowed. It cost the Church millions of dollars and resulted in great shame. Hastert & Co. are as smarmy as the Church was in their cover-up. One, they need to go in shame. Two, a fund needs to be created for the interns affected by all this, carved out of Hastert’s personal fortune, or a lawyer needs to be appointed to charge Hastert with conspiracy and perjury, and to sue for injuries and damages. If those who perpetrated this, and helped to conceal it, are taken care of, the Republican Party can claim clean hands. Remember, this is not the rank and file, this is the Leadership of the Party.
If this is how they act, the mask is off. It’s all the fault of those foreigners, those terroists, those Democrats. I have had no responsibility. I love how uninventive these top Republicans are. Hastert has no culpability; his only job is to get more Republicans elected; get out of his way.
It is important to recognize that the Republicans who have lived up to Lord Acton’s maxim: “Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Hope the Democrats come into power again; if they remain uncorrupted for a short period of time, it will have balance the veniality of the existing Republican Administration.
Who cares? It’s not true and truth IS NOT IMPORTANT TO REPUBLICANS at this point in time. The media by and large aren’t journalists, or keepers of the “truth†flame; they by and large sell advertising and entertain; they have no discipline or sensitivity or even any reason to ask hard questions. Why, oh why, do people always seem to expect it? It’s playing the victim, and that seems to be the role they’ve assigned for yourselves. When they get over it, and strike back to reclaim the electorate by asking the hard questions and not dumbing down statements like “Bush lied todayâ€, or “Bush made wildly conflicting statements today†or “Bush didn’t answer the question he was asked.†When this begins to happen, when influential people say, Stop the madness, they won’t be victims any more. So if you help Republicans in any way, by not voting or by not persuading your friends and family to vote, by not contributing to the Democrats, you’ll be helping to promote a draft, among other things too stupid to mention. So make sure the Democrats win this time around, and don’t jawbone about it or prevaricate or think about how inept or stupid they are, just vote for them. Right now the Democrats are the only force that will balance off the Republican’s march to a totalitarian state; they may become corrupt but it’ll take some time for that to happen.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:20 pmWhen will Hastret, Boehner, and Shimkus realize that they have no one to blame but themselves for this mess? So much for accountability.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:22 pmhttp://blogs.salon.com/0002786/images/2004/12/02/dennis_hastert_jabbathehutt.jpg
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:23 pmMike Rogers:
…………..
What did who know and when?
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:24 pm#139. I agree. Iraq should still be center stage. Lack of planning and foresight, Construction debacles, missed opportunities to win over the Iraqis and our soldiers are dying because of pigheaded ignorance.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:24 pmIn the esteemed words of the GOP in past years:
CONCEDE! CONCEDE! CONCEDE!!!
Oh, and BTW – make no mistake – this broke via ABC:
Do you think ABC is trying to make amends for their recent five hour, 40 million dollar 9/11 disaster? Perhaps.
I just think it’s funny that the GOP is now attacking the very network they were praising for a fair and balanced reporting of the so called “factsâ€.
Hassert is gone…and he knows it. He’s just playing the long game of setting himself up for life after Congress by blaming a straw man. What a boob.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmSadly,
I am already right. The Dems seem to be using this as a political issue which proves they are only in it for power. The Repugs seem to be backing Hasert already and I can see they won’t demand he or anyone else resign. Proves the Repugs are only in it for power as well.
So, both parties are dirty and only care about power. Man this country sucks right now. It is time for at least 1 new party, probably 2. We need some parties that actually care about the people and not simply gaining power.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmhttp://www.chickenhawkcards.com/6-diamonds.jpg
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:30 pmBlah blah Gerry Studds (or Jerry Stubbs or whatever people are misreading from the smeared talking-points fax)…
Dan Crane (R-IN, censured with Studds for sexing 17-year-old page). Buz Lukens (R-OH, convicted of paying 16-year-old for sex, accused but not charged with having sex with same girl 3 years earlier; finally bounced from Congress after he groped a House employee).
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:30 pmSome get Mr. Hastert a Tin Foil hat for his new conspiracy theory.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:31 pm#67 Roger Roger:
…. you will even put HIllary Clinton up for President even though she didn’t leave her Husband the moment she found out about his affair.
Ummm, so that’s why Newt is on his fourth wife? They keep finding out about his affairs? How about His Emanence Rush Limbaugh? Same story?
Tell me how that solution is the one that shows “family values” … I mean really.
Cheers,
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:33 pmbwahaha!!
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmThis may be a naive question but – how exactly are the Dems responsible for Mr. Folely acting as he did (does?)?
Make no bloody mistake – if the roles were reversed, what do you think would happen? The GOP would take the high road and let the Dems police this us themselves?
Give me a break. Newsflash to all of you who are tired of politics intruding into matters such as this: Foley is a politician. Pages are part of Congress. Hassert was warned. Hassert is a politician. It’s an election year.
Making it political? Hate to break it to you dear fools, but it was political all by itself. The Dems could engineer this any better. And they didn’t have a thing to do with all this happening. Get used to it.
Now…tell me, am I being naive?
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:36 pmRoger_Roger
You are so mixed up and fraudulent in your “arguments” as to be almost comical. First, Studds had consensual sex with a LEGAL adult. In fact that adult stood with Studds in press conferences and rightly said, this is none of the publics business since it was consensual sex between adults. Barney Franks did not know of the prostitution his roommate was engaging in, nor did he ever pay a prostitute for sex and when it came out he promptly severed all ties with the person. And finally, Clinton had consensual oral sex with an ADULT.
That you cannot grasp the substantive difference between ADULTS having CONSENSUAL SEX and a Congressmen engaging in predatory sexual harassment of MINORS is just jaw-dropping. If you psycho-freaks of the Fright-Wingâ„¢ cannot tell the difference between consensual sex and sexually preying on minors because you have blinded ourself with stupid brainwashed GOP talking points for years that you loose all moral, ethical, legal and rational compass, you really really need to stop drinking your brand of kool-aid. That you show such lack of sound judgement to not be able to distinguish the difference between consenting ADUTLS having sex with someone preying on minors it begs the question if you yourself have the ability to make sound judgement around minors or other adults even.
Stop it.
Just stop it.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmRoger-Roger, may I suggest, instead of 2 new parties how about we just kick all the bad out on both sides and replace with new people of integrety…Also we need to cut the term limits to 2….The longer these people are in the more corrupt they seem to get. Note I said both parties…..One last big issue is illiminating all the lobbiest and big money…….Blessings
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:38 pmDoubleRoger: “Hilary didn’t forgive Bill. We all know there marriage is one of political convenience at this point and that is immoral.”
Roger, you’re like a highschool girl gossiping about the king and queen of the prom. Call the tabloids immediately. They’re looking for people who can read the minds of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
But, since you’re into gossip, maybe it’s time to revisit the strange story of the male prostitute under an assumed name who made strange, unexplained night-time visits to the Whitehouse.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:41 pmget off your moral pedastel pedestrian, your party has fallen from grace
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:44 pm#124 paul
the more i read here, the more confident i am that republicans will retain the house, senate and the white house. why? they are the lesser of two evils. best of the worst. i’m not happy about it, i’m just not deluded.
And in the Bizarro World, that statement would make perfect sense.
“Paul say pedophilia good. Covering up pedophilia to win elections gooder! Trying to get pedophiles and their protectors to be held acountable–bad, bad, bad!!!”
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:44 pmRoger_Roger #115
And who made those private affairs between consenting adults political cannon fodder and waste upwards of $40 million dollars investigating then trying (and failing) to impeach a President over having consensual oral sex with an adult?
Who was that that was pushing it?
Who was that who was fabricating scandals that were thrown- out of court yet used the Special Investigator’s office to still pursue going after Clinton’s private affairs after the case was thrown out of court and thereby compelled CLinton to testify about it, handing him a list of specific sex acts of which receiving oral sex was not listed, and Clinton answered technically accurately in order to avoid disclosing an affair nobody who wasn’t named Hillary Clinton had any business to know?
Who was that who did that?
Again, why can’t you freaks understand the difference between consenting sex between adults and sexual preying on minors are not the same thing, and the sex between consenting adults means none of your or the Gov. f-ing business?
Seriously, what is so f-ing confusing about that for you theocon hypocritical freaks?
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:49 pm“Our election.” What a joke. It’s not a Republican election, it’s an American election. These guys think it’s all about them, that they’re America.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:59 pm“The Dems seem to be using this as a political issue which proves they are only in it for power. ”
RR, it’s not just Dems in an uproar about this, it’s also real conservatives and, basically, people with morals. When you only have two parties, and one party is pulling shit like this, of course it’s going to “seem” political when the second party demands accountability, and it’s this close to the mid-terms. Your assumption that this “proves” that Dems “are only in it for power” is baseless, based on the facts as we currently know them.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmI saw Newt Gangrene on the tube last night. He was asked why it was that his guys didn’t move quicker on this Foley business? He said if his guys had appeared to act in an agressive manner it might’ve looked like gay-bashing. Gay-bashing! Do you believe this fool?
Is is somehow possible, in this Twilight Zone of a country, that he might be reminded that pederasty and homosexuality are not synonymous?
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmI never said it wasn’t consentual. I said it was immoral to have an affair and it is. I agree that Foley and Gary Sutds are much worse. Foley sent inappropriate emails and IM’s to a 16 year old and Gary Studs had sex with someone that was 17 (there are reports this child was 16 when it started). I don’t care if it was legal back then, today his ass would be in jail for a much longer time then Foley deserves. Either way, all these situations (Clinton, Foley, Studs, and Franks) have 1 thing in common. They were all affairs. An Affair is one of the most immoral acts one can do. Having our leaders and elected officails get away with it sets a horrible example for today’s youth.
Should I tell my son that what Clinton did was OK? Of course not, it was a horrible act that everyone should be appaled by. He should have been asked to leave office ASAP. If he wouldn’t, the Dems should have removed him from there party.
For those that cover up and hide sexual crimes against children and affairs from wives, they should also be asked to leave office.
It all stinks. It does stink worse for the Repugs though as they are the party that is supposed to have the moral compass. The Dems don’t have that problem as seen in this post as you are all ready and willing to give these guys a pass for cheating on there wives. I don’t care what party or who you are. You would never get my vote if you had an affair on your wife.
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmThere would be no scandal if he had acted ethically…
That’s like blaming the sun for giving you a burn when you lathered yourself up in baby oil and fried all day long.
More GOP nonsense.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:04 pmI see Roger is infatuated with Bill Clinton as well.
Typical gay Republican hiding in the closet – slma the homosexual you have a large crush on.
It’s okay to be gay Roger.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:06 pmDon’t yoo know it’s them dern liburals / it was that evil man- slick willie clinton that maid Foley doo them things-Bastert.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Aw c’mon Roger. Haven’t you ever had a blowjob? I’m not really appaled at all. (whatever that means)
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:17 pmI never said it wasn’t consentual. I said it was immoral to have an affair and it is.
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:27 pmOkay RogerRoger, you’re equating Pedophilia with adultry. Dude, pedophilia scars people for life. It’s really, really bad. Most decent people think so.
he did it! he fit 9/11 into a speech about Foley… Republicants are amazing in their ability to bring 9/11 up in any context… it’s a talent, really…
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:41 pmUnbelievable: “I see Roger is infatuated with Bill Clinton as well.
Typical gay Republican hiding in the closet”
BINGO!
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:46 pmFoley is an evil person.
Do we agree on that?
How did 3 year old IM transcripts remain hidden until they did come out?
Do both parties do “dirty tricks”? (yes)
Did “hiding” these transcripts put children at risk of people like (the evil person) Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Republicans to “hide” the evilness of Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Democrats to “hide” the evilness of Foley?
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:55 pmYou don’t GET to proclaim moral superiority and then say “Clinton did itâ€
You don’t GET to look back 25 -30 years and say “well it happened thenâ€
You don’t GET to make laws protecting minors and then break the VERY SAME LAWS YOU WROTE
You don’t GET to pass DOMA and attempt to pass constitutional amendments limiting rights of a group of people and then say “we would have been labeled as gay bashingâ€
YOU DON’T GET IT!
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:09 pmIf you are a Repuke you get to do all of the above mentioned.Did the Nitwit-Prez declared Brian Ross an enemy combatant yet ?
Foley is an evil person.
Do we agree on that?
How did 3 year old IM transcripts remain hidden until they did come out?
Do both parties do “dirty tricks� (yes)
Did “hiding†these transcripts put children at risk of people like (the evil person) Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Republicans to “hide†the evilness of Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Democrats to “hide†the evilness of Foley?
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:15 pmI’m wrighting from the “right” Yea, he should be thrown out, investigated and hopefully serve a little jail time.
There should be term limits on all these clowns. Congress was supposed to be made up of average Americans who come to serve their constituants for a few years and go back to being a “plain old” citizen.
The problem is that our gov’t is being run by lawyers. Those sleaze balls know how to bend & break the rules w/o getting caught, that’s what their taught.
p.s.Blog # 151 Dog named Boo
1st. get a life
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:16 pm2nd Post the same list on the Dem’s…. You’ll get carpul tunnel just on the Kennedy’s!!
does denny hastert look like the anti-mike moore? and btw, why isn’t hastert without credibility just because he is fat, like so many from the short-bus accuse moore?
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:16 pmFoley is an evil person.
Do we agree on that?
How did 3 year old IM transcripts remain hidden until they did come out?
Do both parties do “dirty tricks� (yes)
Did “hiding†these transcripts put children at risk of people like (the evil person) Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Republicans to “hide†the evilness of Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Democrats to “hide†the evilness of Foley?
…
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:17 pmSince the Republicans are the family values party, surely Foley can’t be a true Republican. My take is that he was a sleeper planted by Bill Clinton to be awakened at the best possible moment.
Foley is a dedicated Democrat-terrorist, prepared to fall on his sword the moment his master ordered it.
I’m amazed the Republicans haven’t been able to spot this conspiracy. They’re just too trusting.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:18 pmFoley deserves what’s coming for him. What he’s done is digusting. But a party or a group should not be judged by one bad apple. Everyone is judged according by their own integrity.
With that said, no one should hate or express ideas of hate towards gays. Being gay is wrong but it should be seen as an unatural perverted twist of the human heart to freely give in to their own selfish lust. Just like porn and drugs. One must realize such passion as the same as an addiction.
The person(s) should not be the target of mistreatment, but the perverted act and thereof should not be tolerated.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:21 pmBREAKING NEWS ALERT!!!! N.A.M.B.L.A. ENDORSES HASTERT FOR RE-ELECTION. DETAILS AT 11.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:23 pmFoley is an evil person.
Do we agree on that?
How did 3 year old IM transcripts remain hidden until they did come out?
Do both parties do “dirty tricks� (yes)
Did “hiding†these transcripts put children at risk of people like (the evil person) Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Republicans to “hide†the evilness of Foley?
What advantage would it be for the Democrats to “hide†the evilness of Foley?
Republicans “kill off” evil people in their ranks.
Democrats evil people’s wives to the senate.
Which party will I vote for?
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:23 pm[...] But all of this, along with Hastert’s bizarre interview with Limbaugh today, just shows how utterly devoid of credibility today’s Republican party has become. Enablers of crimes against children, both here and in Iraq and Afghanistan, perpetrators of illegal wars of opportunity, enablers and promoters of torture [...]
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:26 pmThere’s a difference between a person(s) and the action. You love your kid, but you don’t condone the bad things they do. Gay people should be loved but that does not mean one should agree or love the things they do.
I don’t expect you to understand that. And you seem to take my analagies for literal terms. Of course there are more than one bad apples. None of us are perfect.
And yes, I do have gay friends, co-workers, etc… and I love them as my friends.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:35 pmThe defenders of pedophillia keep bringing up Gerry Studs (D), who did about the same thing, by admission. The defenders want to keep talking about Studs doing this in 1996, but if they weren’t so busy defending this filth, they would realize that the Gerry Studs (D) scandal happened in 1973!
Way to bring up something from 33 years ago, to act like Democrats are doing the same thing. A lot of people who were Democrats in the 70’s are Republicans now. Much of the Democratic Party mindset from that time have now become the Republican mindset, anyways.
They also fail to mention that Congressman Tom Reynolds (R) tried to bribe ABC not to put this on. Apparently, Fox News already knew a long time ago about this scandal and didn’t put it on to protect the pedophile (obviously) because he is a Republican, who they are loyal to. This guy Reynolds held a press conference about this scandal with a bunch of children present in the front row, to protect himself from having to answer sexual questions. How insanely disgusting is that?
Finally, the breadth of Republican corruption is starting to show itself. Hastert (R) is screaming that he has a consipiracy theory that this is a liberal attack, to try to defend the pedophile and himself, because another Republican Congressman has announced that he told Hastert about this over a year ago, and that they all kept it a secret.
Now they all want to act shocked, but they knew — and they kept it a secret just like they’re used to doing. It’s just that a pedo case like this has more accessible evidence than their other machinations.
If the Republican party had the guts and morality they have tried to pretend that they have, they would not be defending this pedophile or have kept this horrific secret for so long. All that talk about morality and guts was just that, talk. Will the churches that support Republicans now start defending pedophilia also?
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmTheir mentality is lowly and indiscriminate.
Anyone that would put our soldiers in harms way with LIES and DECEPTION and further those lies and deception on the children of America are surely not REAL AMERICANS.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:42 pmbtw, in many ways, I love Democrats for their passion to serve the Nation but sometimes the self-righteous attitudes of a few(not all) and cowards of others gives the party a bad image. They need to follow Bill Clinton’s(my favorite since Kennedy) example.
Republicans on the other hand does a good job on upholding the moral values but their actions do not speak very loud with their words.
That’s a bit where I am coming from.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:45 pmCeres, I hate to break it to you, but this is not about being gay. It’s about using your position of authority to prey on underage children. Whether a person is gay or straight is irrelevant to this issue. If Foley were hitting on 16-year old girl pages, it would have been just as bad.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:46 pmI don’t think anyone is implying that you should have to agree with the “gay” lifestyle. But should someone be discriminated from a job because they act “gay”, even though they are perfectly capable?
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:46 pmThe Democrats should be on this morning, noon, and night, in all 435 districts. Rahm, let’s get out a commercial ASAP and get it on the air in all 50 states…something like:
52 year old Republican Congressman Mark Foley has admiited he has been making sexual advances FOR YEARS towards the teenage boys serving as House Pages. House Speaker Denny Hastert, House Majority Whip John Boehner, and the rest of the republican leadership in the House covered it up FOR YEARS, and protected an alleged pedophile from justice. Call your represntative and ask them where they stand on pedophiles serving in the US Congress.
and then put the local phone number of any republicans on the screen. When the media goes apeshit over it, not only pointedly refuse to apologize, also state that you are proud to expose the true colors of the republican congress. Run the ad over and over and over and over right up to election day, then watch as the Democrats pick up about 60 seats in the House and 8-10 in the Senate. This is a gift from God, who wants the republicans out. Let’s use it.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:51 pm“The Democrats were the ones hiding the transcripts for release just before the elections.”
“Therefore they were the ones putting children at risk (as you admit above) Since it was ONLY to the Democrats advantage to play this “dirty trickâ€, the perpetrator was certainly a Democrat.”
Comment by Iakeo — October 3, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
Is there any chance, any chance at all, that you have anything to back this BS up Iakeo?
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:02 pmHmm….Let’s see here. I believe this is the same Speaker Hastert, who, just a short while ago actually claimed with a straight face that the legitimate FBI sting operation that caught his Democratic colleague Rep. Jefferson with $100, 000 in cash was “a breach of the separation of powers.” [sic]
Gosh, thanks for your heartfelt concern for our integrity of our Constitution and the noble principles handed down to us by our framers, Mr. Speaker. (Some pretty dandy bipartisanship, there, too, sir.)
Or, could it be that the Jefferson sting hit a little too close to home for your comfort, Mr. Speaker? What skeletons are there in your corpoulent closet, pray tell?
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:02 pmThese damn so called keepers of conservativeness have hijacked family values.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:03 pmWill someone slp Rush Limbaugh.
Speaker must resieg his job needs to be given to an upright citizen
Re: #198, Rusty Austin -
YES..!!!!! Do that…!!
Then, when it becomes obvious that the Democrats were the only ones who would have benefited from releasing this “dirty trick” now, instead of 3 years ago, the Republicans can turn it around VERY nicely and call the Democrats “CHILD ENDANGERERS” for leaving children they knew were in danger of Foley in that dangerous position..!!!
What would you have EXPOSED?
The evilness of ONE MAN. And the media would be all over your ass for tarring an entire party for the evil of one man.
..that would blow up in your face rather quickly.
I can see how you maniacs (the TP folks here) are coming all over yourselves over the “effectiveness” this situation SEEMS to present to you.
But when it comes out that ONLY the Democrats would have precipitated this situation NOW, as opposed to 3 years ago, will they be seen as the child endangerers they are.
That is unless your REAL objective, which is simply to paint ALL Republicans with the evil of one man and make Republican voters feel so disgusted with ALL politicians that they don’t bother to vote, works.
And it may.
But you’re still the party of political advantage over the welfare of children, and that will haunt you for quite some time.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:09 pmhaha, moron
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:11 pmRe: #200, Quadrajet -
Who’s advantage is it to release the transcripts of those IM’s NOW?
It is certainly NOT in the Republicans interest to have them released now.
Who else would release them now for their advantage?
I realize you “true believers” can’t possibly admit that the Democrats would release information that should have been released when it was discovered later so as to gain a political advantage.
That said, what are the answers to my simple question above?
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:15 pmIt probably pays to drop the focus on this item now and let the repub leadership stwe in their own juices.
There are many more strategic attacks that need made. Back to savng the Constitution, lying Administration officials (about just about anything you can think of), Iraq, etc.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmSee, being a pervert is bad. This goes for Republicans and Democrats. This also goes for all gays, pedophiles and anyone else suffering from mental illness.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:34 pm#206 – Iakeo, you present your assertion as fact. The question was did you have anything to back it up with, other than your opinion, and the answer is obviously no. As for your simple question, perhaps it was a republican with a conscience – hard to believe I know – but maybe someone was so disgusted by IMs and the cover-up they decided to ‘out’ it.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:36 pmA LIBERAL CONSPIRACY? “OUR ELECTION” ?
Did he really say “our election” as if they, the republicans own this election and the rest of the American voice, aka vote, doesn’t matter ?
October 4th, 2006 at 12:58 amDear Able:
ROTFL means “rolling on the floor laughing” and ROTFLMA adds
“my ass off”. Welcome to the Internets.
On the subject of morality – what a very subjective thing it is, RogerRoger!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:17 amIn some countries , it is considered the upright moral thing to to to have your prepubescent daughter’s external genitalia scraped off with a dull rusty knife, with no anesthetic, no antibiotics afterwards, and no particular fuss made about it by you or any other moralists that I can see. Would you volunteer your sister or daughter for that? Is it moral?
Just because your moral code says homosexuality or adultery are wrong, you are operating from the false premise of a religious viewpoint. I am an atheist, and your rules do not apply to me or carry any weight. I am moral, in that I think it’s wrong for any adult to sexually prey on any child. What Bill and Monica did was no one’s business, tacky yes, but not a crime. And WTF is your problem with Hilary, except that you have been told by the GOP that you must defuse her power every chance you get? We’re not buying what you’re pushing, it’s awfully stale.
Sorry for the long post folks, I am sick in bed with a bag of rice crackers and a laptop and getting a little verbiose.
Hastert on the Rush Limbaugh Show…
Hastert has officially lost it. By it, I am of course referring to any semblence of credibility. Believe it or not, the speaker of the house has actually stooped to implying that the timing of the Foley story is part of some liberal plot to influence…
October 4th, 2006 at 1:19 amIakeo = Seixon
October 4th, 2006 at 1:56 am[...] Hastert: Foley Scandal Is A Liberal Conspiracy To ‘Get To Me’ And ‘Affect Our Election’ [...]
October 4th, 2006 at 4:12 amPretty far past Roger-Dodger’s post to reply to it, but oh well.
“I was just pointing out how sad it is that people like Hasert, Clinton, Franks, Hillary Clinton, Studs, and anyone who knew about there imoral ways aren’t asked to resign.”
Here is the difference.
Foolish: Clinton/Lewinski affair
Stupid but basically political entrapment: Clinton telling a lie about his BJ
Disgusting but not illegal: Studds affair
Inaccurate propaganda: Franks affair
Illegal and disgusting: Foley affair
Illegal, disgusting, and unethical: Hastert/repub coverup of illegal Foley affair
None of the above: Hillary
How you can find any equivalence in these is beyond me. You can claim that they are all equally immoral by your personal standards, and that’s fine. But in America, we don’t make decisions about how to deal with the behavior of people based on the personal morality of individuals. Rather, we make decisions based on a little thing called the law. Anyone public official breaking the law needs to be punished. Any public official engaging in a coverup of such a law breaker also needs to be punished. It’s really quite simple.
The indescretions and affairs of other people, past or present, is not relevant to the judgement of Foley or Hastert. Throwing Studds in jail is fine with me if he’s guilty of breaking the law, but that issue is entirely separate from the Foley/Hastert issue. There is no point in bringing these other topics into the discussion other than in an attempt to spread desperate talking points.
This is a very clear issue and you are either on the right side of it or not. People of honor will agree that Foley needs to be investigated and prosecuted, and that Hastert et al needs to be held accountable if shown that he failed in his duty to protect minors. You only look stupid and hypocritical if you wag your finger at something that happened 10 or 20 years ago in a different place and time. Deal with the problems of TODAY.
People who consider themselves “moral” as all right-wingers do, have a duty to put action behind the rhetoric rather than to excuse the unexcusable by trying to dilute it by diverting attention to unrelated matters. If you’re ready to back the righteous rhetoric with consistent actions, I can at least respect you even if I disagree with you. Otherwise, please STFU.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:27 amOctober 3, 2006 — WMR has learned from informed sources in the Justice Department that the salacious e-mails from Rep. Mark Foley were leaked to ABC News by career Justice Department prosecutors and FBI agents who are incensed that Attorneys General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales covered up the House page scandal for political reasons. The back story of Pagegate is that there was a criminal conspiracy by the top political leadership of the Justice Department to cover up the predatory activities of Foley and other GOP members of Congress since at least 2003 and, likely, as early as 2001.
Other informed sources in the nation’s capital report that Pagegate will soon implicate a number of GOP staffers in both the House and the Senate who intimidated and pressured male pages into inappropriate sexual relationships. One source confided that the staff members’ contact with pages was “more egregious” than Foley’s behavior.
The Pagegate scandal also involves senior officials of the Republican National Committee, located near the House Office Buildings, according to our Capitol Hill sources.
The bottom line is that the GOP is facing its worst political scandal since Watergate and the White House, already under assault from the revelations in Bob Woodward’s insider account of the Bush presidency and the Iraq war, has told GOP members of Congress that they are on their own as far as Pagegate damage control is concerned.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:13 am.
“CONSPIRACY” by the Democrats?
That’s the right word, Mr. Hastert, but the wrong attribution. The CONSPIRACY has been among the Republican Leadership, the Republican National Committee, and even the Justice Department, all the way up the chain to the Oval Office.
ALL OF THEM KNEW. ALL OF THEM.
TODAY (Wednesday), GHW Bush and EVERY TOP REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE are all flying into DC for a major strategy session. Hopefully there will be news cameras there to capture the “deer in the headlights” looks on all their faces.
IT IS SO OVER!
This was not supposed to come out. They thought they had the lid on this. All of them are crooks in one form or another, clearly all of them have been AND REMAIN subject to blackmail – all of which endangers the national security of our country.
Their ONLY recourse at this point is to take down the Democrats too – all of who are guilty of other crimes – all of which are known to Mr. CIA himself, the REAL President of the Shadow Government, GHW BUSH – W’s old man.
AIPAC has always strived to ensure that only men of low moral character enter into the political arena. This ensures that through Comverse Wiretaps and other means at their disposal, Israel is always able to get its way on the Hill.
Remember when Israel invaded Lebanon and the United States inexplicable had nothing to say about it?
Many of these co-conspirators knew about 9/11 in advance too. With the revelation that Rice knew all about it, and LET IT HAPPEN, combined with the fact that Rumsfeld advised against pursuing the leads, and Cheney actually ran the command bunker on 9/11, ordering that nothing be done to stop the aircraft approaching the Pentagon, which they tracked on radar for the final fifty miles (at least), PANDORA’S BOX HAS JUST BEEN OPENED.
Now you know why everything that didn’t make sense before, makes total sense now.
This is not just a matter of ethics and morality.
This is a matter of national security.
BLACKMAIL has been rampant throughout our Government.
HANG THEM ALL.
.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:46 amBlackmail plus total systems control:
“Ptech was with MITRE Corporation in the basement of the FAA for two years prior to 9/11,” Singh said. “Their specific job is to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force in the case of an emergency. If anyone was in a position to know that the FAA — that there was a window of opportunity or to insert software or to change anything — it would have been Ptech along with MITRE.”
The Mossad-run Guardium company is linked with Ptech through Goff Communications, the Holliston, Mass.-based public relations firm previously run by Michael S. Goff and his wife Marcia, which represents Guardium. Since being exposed in AFP in 2005, however, Michael’s name no longer appears on the company website.
Photo: Amit Yoran, the Israeli “Cyber Security Czar” appointed by President George W. Bush in 2003. Yoran has held various positions since the 1990s in which he oversaw computer security for the Dept. of Defense computers.
Although he and his brother reportedly grew up in Pound Ridge, New York during the 1970s and 1980s, the heads of the Jewish community told AFP that they had never heard of him. One said that she had conducted a survey of the Jews living in the small village of Pound Ridge in the 1970s and she would have remembered if a wealthy Israeli family named Yoran had been found.
Why did the locals in Pound Ridge NOT remember the Yorans?
Probably because they were NOT in Pound Ridge – but in Israel. The Pound Ridge address was used to give the appearance that the Yorans were Americans. I spoke with Elad and he has a distinctive Israeli accent – not what you would expect for a guy who grew up in a posh Yankee village.
So who are the Yorans? Who are their parents and why did they come to the United States? To raise a couple high-level moles to infiltrate the most sensitive U.S. computer networks? How could they have lived for 20 years in Pound Ridge and NOT be remembered.
http://rense.com/general72/nss.htm
Indira Singh, an “IT consultant” who previously worked on a Defense Advanced Research Project, and who was employed by J.P. Morgan on 9/11, in risk management, pointed to MITRE’s role at the FAA during the 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in New York last September.
“Ptech was with MITRE Corporation in the basement of the FAA for two years prior to 9/11,” Singh said. “Their specific job is to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force in the case of an emergency. If anyone was in a position to know that the FAA – that there was a window of opportunity or to insert software or to change anything – it would have been Ptech along with MITRE.”
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=68463
WHY DID “MOSSAD AGENT” CHERTOFF KILL THE PTECH INVESTIGATION?
ON WHOSE BEHALF?
GOT TREASON?
October 4th, 2006 at 5:52 amSEXUAL ESPIONAGE TO ENABLE BLACKMAIL:
http://www.aztlan.net/israeli_sexpionage.htm
Israeli Sexpionage : The McGreevey, Condit and
Clinton Affairs
Chandra Levy and Monica Lewinsky, which I will discuss later, can be called “Swallows”.
Zionist Israel places great importance in its “symbiotic” relationship with the USA. In fact, the State of Israel would be unable to exist without the vast amounts of aid, both military and social welfare, that is sent yearly to prop up the Zionist government. This total amount is estimated to be more than 5 Billion dollars per year. In addition, Israel survives and depends on critical technology transfers that are obtained both through cooperation and covertly. For example, Israel now possess thermonuclear bombs and missiles, thanks to an American Jew, Jonathan Pollard, who stole the “nuclear secrets” while working as a US Naval Analyst. Pollard, it was admitted by the Israeli government, was a MOSSAD spy. He is presently doing a life term in a US Federal Prison for his crime.
The success and effectiveness of the Israel/USA symbiotic relationship depends on many factors. One is massive propaganda through the US based Zionist press that keeps the American people in a constant stupor about certain political and economic realities. Another is the near total subserviency of corrupt politicians, especially of the Democratic Party, who do not speak up because they are on the take. Another is the massive infiltration into government of what are nothing less than Israeli agents. Israeli agents in the Pentagon, for example, has caused the USA dearly in terms of the costs of the “War on Iraq” and in terms of its “hated image” around the world.
Lastly, a factor that is very important for Israel in keeping a profitable symbiotic relationships with the USA is effective sexpionage. Sexpionage is so important to Israel, that it has opened an office for this purpose right smack in the center of US political power — Washington D.C. The office fronts as a post 911 anti-terrorism institute and is located at 3811 N. Fairfax Drive, Suite 720 Arlington, VA 22203. The Chief of the office is non other that the immediate former Director of the Israeli MOSSAD, Shabtai Shavit.
The target in this sexpionage operation was the married Gary Condit, who was a senior member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. As member of the committee, Condit was privy to highly classified information of much interest to Zionist Israel. The MOSSAD leaned on their “sleeper and sexpionage agent” Chandra Levy to obtain the secret US government information that the Israeli government needed. The MOSSAD arranged for Chandra Levy, than a US government intern, to meet Congressman Condit. Soon, the married Condit was having a sexual affair with the voluptuous 24 year old Chandra Levy.
Whatever classified information Levy was able to obtain, on her “sexpionage mission”, was at the cost of her life. One day before she was to return to California, she disappeared without a trace. The Washington D.C. police searched Congressman Condit’s apartment for clues to no avail. Thirteen months later the “skull and bones” of Chandra Levy were found at Washington’s Rock Creek Park even though the park had been repeatedly searched during the early phases of the investigation.
Everyone reading this report should be acquainted with the President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky affair. This has been called “The Mother of all Sexpionage Scandals” because it almost toppled a US presidency. Generally less known is the fact that Monica Lewinsky was actually a “sexpionage agent” working on behalf of the Israeli government. She was, and probably still is, what the MOSSAD calls a “Swallow”.
It is believed that Lewinsky’s primary mission was to sexually compromise Bill Clinton in order to bribe him to release the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard. The timing and unfolding of the “White House Sex Scandal” coincided with the efforts and meetings by the then Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu with President Bill Clinton in the White House.
The mission for Israel failed but it ended giving the Zionist state some peripheral benefits. In an effort by Clinton to rid himself of the “Swallow”, he transferred her to the Pentagon with the highest “security clearance” possible and which is only afforded to top brass and a few high level government officials. Soon Monica Lewinsky was cavorting with Admirals and Generals and became pregnant. She says she aborted the baby.
No one knows what Pentagon secrets Lewinsky was able to pass on to the Zionists, but perhaps Paul Wolfowitz’ great success in involving the USA in the War against Iraq may be the results of Monica Lewinsky’s efforts on behalf of Israel. Sexpionage pays and it is paying big for Israel.
Chandra Levy and Monica Lewinsky – “Swallows†for Israel.
Isn’t it interesting that Lieberman’s name pops up in the case of two similar-looking tarts, who were “Honey Pots” (or “Swallows” – the term used to describe women in the employ of Israel whose job is to compromise US Officials) for Israel’s Mossad?
Note that his article dated less than TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO 9/11.
Police to return to parks in Levy case
Experts: Condit damaged own reputation
July 22, 2001 Posted: 6:07 PM EDT (2207 GMT)
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Connecticut, said it wouldn’t be productive to focus on Condit’s conduct. In 1998, Lieberman was the first prominent Democrat to criticize Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Lieberman said the two matters are different and he declined to say whether Condit should resign, as two Republican lawmakers have said.
“The Chandra Levy case is a missing persons case. And I think we all ought to let the law-enforcement authorities focus on finding Chandra Levy and relieving the terrible trauma and nightmare that her family and friends have gone through,” Lieberman told Fox News Sunday. “And when that is over, politicians can begin to speak out.”
Saturday, a spokeswoman for Vice President Dick Cheney, said Cheney met with Condit around the same time Levy was logging off her computer in her apartment May 1.
Juleanna Glover Weiss said the meeting happened between 12:30 p.m. and 12:50 p.m. in Cheney’s office in the House of Representatives. The meeting was “at Condit’s request,” she said, and included Cheney and some of Cheney’s staff discussing the California energy crisis.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/07/21/missing.intern/index.html
CHENEY ORDERED THE HIT TO PROTECT THE 9/11 OPERATION?
October 4th, 2006 at 5:55 amIakeo
For your last two questions:
Advantage to the Dems: None. If they knew about it to keep it hidden would have meant not using it to their advantage in the elections. In 2004 it would have meant the difference between Kerry as president, and Bush as president, because the margins were close enough for a Republican Pedophile scandal to change the outcome of those elections.
Advantage to the Reps: A big one. It would mean a potential scandal which could cost them all of their close races (which a lot of Republicans are in nowadays what with nobody being happy with them) and it would kind of say nonsense to their repeated attempts to equate themselves with morality or even common decency.
So in short, by the who benefits argument: The Republicans all the way. The Democrats would only have lost by keeping quiet about this, especially in 2004 which was the more important election cycle. Realise that the accusation is that the Democrats knew about this from 2003, just by pure common sense any idiot can see that they didn’t, otherwise they would have used it in 2004.
October 4th, 2006 at 6:07 amthere canbe found no bigger hypocrites scroundels charlatans UNdemocrats and cowards than this current batch of Republicans. damn them all.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:43 amAmazing, simply amazing. Rush Limaugh’s hypocracy turned me from a relatlvely staunch conservative to a proud registered Democrat. I was a registered Republican for 20 years until I started listening to the claptrap garbage that Limbaugh spreads like manure on a spring lawn. It is totally typical for him to support the inference that this is political. Remember all the scandals during the Clinton administration. 27 body bags…indimidation…conspiracy. When will this crap stop. And the most disgusting thing is that people actually buy into this puke.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:44 amDo we actually know that Foley molested anybody? Sending foul IMs is one thing (and reason enough to resign) but it seems like everybody is assuming that he is guilty of physically molesting pages (like Gerry Studds did — who, by the way, was protected with a slap-on-the-wrist censure and served 5 more terms).
Yes, the way the Dems are playing this is political and denying it is laughable.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:32 amHasturd, you are a f#$%ing loser of a man … blame everyone but yourself and accept no responsibility … typical Republican.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:11 amI would have thought everybody understood the issue is not if Foley’s gay or not, but that he’s a pedophile. Unfortunately, it appears Muggle Ammurika needs everything spelled out for them in words of one syllable – and THEN they twist it backwards! That must be how they came to believe the Prince of Peace was a homophobic, antisemitic bigot who encourages politicized conquests….
We have NOT forgotten the Detainee Act – though to Muggle Ammurika and the MSM it barely registers on their radar (John Stewart and Keith Olbermann aside – and isn’t that a sad thing?). OTOH, a juicy sex scandal, and the hypocrisy it’s uncovering, seems to be illuminating just how compromised ethics and morality in the right-wing media really are even to those who think Faux Nuwz really is “fair and balanced” (like my mother’s husband!)….
October 4th, 2006 at 11:21 am>Comment by Concerned+Conservative — October 4, 2006 @ 10:32 am
October 4th, 2006 at 11:29 amWTF? Here I’d written a reponse to so-called “Concerned Conservative” and his fellow right-wingnuts – but the software chewed it up!
Anyway, to reiterate: I see that the Right-Wing Media has given its dittoheads their marching orders, and they’re gleefully spewing it all over the blogosphere!
- Oh, What About Those EVIL Immoral Liberals Gerry Stubbs, Barney Frank and The Libbural Antichrist Hisself, Bill Clinton…never mind claiming your “higher moral code” was why you were supposed to always be better than the Left!
- Oh, nobody can prove Mark Foley actually had sex with any of these pages…and Inquisitor General Gonzalez has sent out the FBI to make sure it STAYS that way!
- Oh, Those Evil Libbural Democrasts are politicizing one poor sick man’s personal weakness…if you ignore that we Upright, Moral Republicans tried to impeach the last Democratic President for lying to Congress about getting blowjobs from a consenting adult (which is apparently, in Republican Jesusland, SO much worse than sexual predation on teenage interns)!
All you right-wingnuts – your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the party you blindly support is finally laid bare for even you to see. That you refuse to acknowledge it, but would rather support a traitorous regime that legalizes covering up and ignoring Unconstitutional acts like torture (7th Amendment) and drumhead military tribunals (4th and 5th Amendments) – and now pedophilia – shows that in the end, you are nothing more than Good Germans at best, and more likely traitors to the Constitution and the People of the Untied States yourself.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:44 amRoger, Roger, Roger, Are you still out there? Having an affair is the “most immoral act” you can commit??!! Try this one – sending our young people to die in a war based on a lie. Sex is worse than killing??!! And by the way, it’s Dennis HASTERT not Hasert. My mental picture of you is sitting in front of a cave in your animal skins, pounding away on a laptop. Please get a dictionary and use it. Your spelling is worse than horrible. It’s difficult to think of you as anything close to smart.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:50 amI’ve noticed the Rethuglicans spinning this like they spun the Abramoff scandal — that this isn’t a Rethuglican problem it’s a Congressional problem.
In 1996 when Gary Stuuds was found out the Rethuglicans were in power and it does seem like the Rethuglicans then made a huge effort to minimize the damage to Studds. Why would they do that and the same Rethuglican power brokers in power back then are still powerful to this day and that angle should be investigated. This is Franklin Coverup stuff.
Another angle that needs a closer look is who former male protitute turned reporter Jeff Gannon spent all those overnight White House visits with.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:53 amThere seems to be something missing from the Hastert quote. The full quote should read: “We found out about it, [covered it up, waited 18 months, were running scared when someone else broke the story and so] asked him to resign.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:55 amI see that the Jewish High Holy Days have really wound up plugger. The poor thing!! “I see a Jew behind EVERY evil” conspiracy is really hitting a pathetic slide. Mom might want to keep the new white sheets and Nazi paraphenalia away from you….
October 4th, 2006 at 12:05 pmtom baker #38
You may be right…
…until right wing buzz words (and Americans who are) like “conservative”, racist, bigot, homophobe become ugly memories of our PAST…
…the cult of Bush/Cheney facists will continue to erode America’s democracy, and eat away at our collective souls…
On the Foley front the Repulsivescum are trying a new strategy…
…last night on Hardball, Pat Buchanan (with the help of Chris matthews) talked over that Crawford guy…
…to turn the focus away from Hastert and the Repulsivescum leadership’s cover up…
…to Foley’s molestation as achild, and his being gay…
…those cunning, scumbag, microscopic male genitalia…
October 4th, 2006 at 12:11 pmNecro-dite, it’s not the progs you have to worry about. Go spin your tale for the Republicans who are not going to show up at the polls. Your problem is not us. We never would have voted Republican anyway.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:22 pmNo offense, folks, but isn’t this debate a little silly. Foley screwed up big time. Hastert and others who knew or should have known about Foley’s predatory behavior likewise screwed up big time. They should take responsibility for their actions, like Foley did.
Are the Democrats using this for political purposes? Of course they are – because it has a direct bearing on political issues – like, for instance, the fact that the Republican “leadership” in the House (and Senate) is untrustworthy, hypocritical and cravenly political. Every time one party questions the actions of the other, there is a political angle. Does that mean Democrats shouldn’t criticize Republicans, or vice versa? Of course not. When folks in politics screw up, they deserve whatever criticism they get.
The bottom line is, Hastert should act like a grown up and take responsibility for his actions (more accurately, for his failure to act). That’s what leaders do.
Then again, we can’t really expect politicians to act like grown ups, can we?
October 4th, 2006 at 12:26 pmConcerned+Conservative
The IM’s and that were classic examples of what is termed grooming, where the messages go from being relatively innocent, to being increasingly sexual in order to seduce the child. It is unlikely that this was an isolated incident, and it is even more unlikely that all Foley had done up until discovery, was send smutty Emails.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:27 pmSeveral things:
Regarding the comments of “Concerned + Conservative”–
1. We regularly read reports of sexual predators caught up in internet “sting” operations. One predictable aspect of these reports is the information that the culprit “thought he was chatting with a fourteen-year-old girl, when it was actually a female deputy sheriff.” While this is textbook entrapment, no one–including me, incidentally–has a problem with these guys being snared and handcuffed on national television. I haven’t heard any conservative spokesmen standing up to defend these people.
Foley was clearly and irrefutably “trolling” for sexual contact with minors, whether it turns out he was ever successful or not; there’s nothing ambiguous about the content of some of these e-mails. So what’s with all the Republican quibbling, hair-splitting, and misdirection about what he did or did not do, who’s responsible, and why it’s coming out now?
You can’t roll in the aisles with mirth over Clinton’s parsing of the word “is”; and you can’t sell yourselves as the party of moral clarity, common sense, and decency; and you can’t present yourselves as the manfully masculine party of manly forthrightness–if you insist on trying to drown the realities of this situation in a sea of evasions, equivocation and spin.
2. “Politics” in a democracy is the means by which we determine who shall lead us, how they shall do it, and whether they’ve done it satisfactorily. There’s dirty politics, and there’s clean politics, of course, but there’s nothing inherently unsavory about politics as a concept.
When you’ve been caught lying, stealing, slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent foreigners and thousands of your own troops on a pretext, working to undercut and sabotage the constitution of a great nation, opening the taps of the national treasury to a few select friends, trolling for sex with minors, and so on, you should have a better defense than to complain that people who point these things out are “playing politics.”
Politics is the only means the people have for getting malefactors out of office; when your political opponents point out that your performance is miserable, amoral, or downright criminal, the issue ought to be whether that’s so, not whether your accusers belong to an opposing political party. In formal logic, an advocate’s personal interest–his membership in a political party, for example–is useful information in evaluating his position; it is not, however, a defense against or a counter-argument to his accusations. Trying to use it as such is called the Ad Hominem argument–attacking the person or his position rather than confronting the issue.
Whom would your political opponents be serving if they didn’t point out your misdeeds? If they’re elected to replace you, and actually turn out to do a better and more honorable job, it’s all to the good–even if you want to term that “political advantage.” If they don’t turn out to be better, at least YOU got your comeuppance, just as they should expect in turn.
So enough with the “playing politics” defense. It’s cowardly.
Regarding Mr. Hastert, Mr. Reynolds, et al, and whether they “did enough”–
1. In Oregon, as in most of the country, I believe, any public employee who has reason to believe a child may be being molested or abused is under a legal obligation to report his concern–not to his boss, or to a co-worker, but directly to the Children’s Services Division. In the schools, for example, having reported such a concern to the counselor or principal is not enough–a teacher may lose his license for failing to report directly to the state’s enforcement agency. The theory, of course, is that if the supervisor does not pass on the report to the appropriate authorities for whatever reason–local politics, neglect, personal relationships, or whatever–the kid remains unprotected.
It’s called “Mandatory Reporting” in Oregon. If Messrs. Hastert, Reynolds, and so forth come from states with similar child protection protocols, it ought to be pretty damned clear whether they “did enough” about their concerns regarding Mr. Foley, at least according to the laws of the states they purport to serve.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:31 pmBlaming the Democrats is not going to work this time. You know what might work? The truth. The Rs might want to try telling the truth just this one time. Who knows? It might become a habit.
I am after the truth. The truth of what this administration has been doing that the American people do not know about. The only way of ascertaining this truth is by voting for your local Democrat. That is the only way we are going to have any kind of investigation into what is really going on.
Bush and Cheney and the gang know what they have been up to; they know that they could possibly be tried for war crimes if the rest of us find out. Nevermind impeachment. Impeachment is too good for these guys. Perhaps they need to be thrown into the secret gulags that they themselves have created.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:31 pmI don’t think Gerry Studds molested anybody–as was posted earlier, his partner was 17 and the age of consent in D.C. was 16. Plus, that scandal broke in 1983 (I believe, if I recall correctly). So, Studds is being brought up to really muddy the issue; apparently, some conservative commentators believe that gay=pedophile, which it just doesn’t. Foley’s attempt to shed blame by claiming he is gay (and therfor, by implication a pedophile chasing after young males) is only a desperate attempt to blame someone else, as he is now claiming that he was molested by a Catholic priest.
The flip-side to that analogy (gay=pedophile) would be that all “red-blooded” heterosexual males are behaving as pedophiles toward the underage female pages….
October 4th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#238 – “We never would have voted Republican anyway.” Comment by
Solitaire
*********Of course you wouldn’t vote for a Republican, Solitaire. “D” is learned much earlier in the alphabet training.
But I do appreciate your tip on telling the Republicans a tale….It could start like this….
“Once upon a time, a beautiful city called San Francisco sat atop hills overlooking a gorgeous Bay. Unfortunately, the “City by the Bay” became a magnet for Progressive Problem Solvers. Kindly grandmother, Princess Nancy Pelosi, wanted to save all the people in cities everywhere from difficulties, so they decided to do EVERYTHING for the people…..But an ugly serpent emerged from the Bay to control and manipulate the people with a new decree “Tolerate EVERYTHING – in the name of Political Correctness”. Now broadly smiling, freshly coiffed, Princess Nancy held court regularly for the…. “
October 4th, 2006 at 12:38 pmNice article posted today I thought I would share. It is a top ten list of Demorat scandals. And it does not even include that Kennedy is a murderer or and of Clinton’s many escapades.
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Goto love them Dems, they practice what the preach, ROTFL
October 4th, 2006 at 12:41 pmRogerRoger, you dolt -
You keep saying that Hillary Clinton is “immoral” for not leaving her husband when she found out about his affair – what the hell are you talking about? I thought your people were all about the sanctity of marriage – remember that phrase from the gay marriage thing of a few months ago? I bet you yourself said it more than once back in the day.
If Hillary chose to stay in her marriage to work on it despite this kind of betrayal by her husband, then first of all, what business is it of yours and second, how the hell is that immoral? Isn’t the idea of marriage that you’re supposed to work through the problems? Isn’t divorce a sin in your church? You judgemental freaks creep me out with your so-called logic.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:41 pm[...] UPDATE: Link [...]
October 4th, 2006 at 12:47 pmBattling Bob (Re: No. 241) – your second point in response to “Concerned Conservative” is a far more articulate explanation of the point I was trying to make in No. 239. Excellent post all around.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:07 pmGood post Happy Guy (#245) — nicely points out how Dems handle scandals of their own, i.e. circle the wagons and minimize the damage. Now they are apoplectic that the Repubs are playing that very same game.
Inconsistency or hypocrisy — you make the call!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:13 pmBattling Bob (#241),
First, very good post — much more thoughtful than many responses I get here…
I was not saying that playing politics is inherently bad. It is, of course, part of the process.
My point is that the article on TP seemed to be targeting Hastert for pointing out the fact that the Dems are using the scandal to score political points.
My question is why is it remarkable or noteworthy to TP that Hastert is saying this when it is obviously true?
October 4th, 2006 at 1:21 pmMaybe I missed it in another thread, but did anybody catch the “OUR ELECTION” phrase from Dennis the Menace? It sounds like he is claimng the election belongs to his party! Cue Diebold, anyone?
October 4th, 2006 at 2:25 pmFoley needs to step up to the plate and stop blaming others for his behavior. They’re plenty of people who were molested as children and they don’t turn out to be pedophiles. Everyone knows that they’re gay pedophiles and straight pedophiles.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:39 pmI don’t drink , but I’ve been around people that do, and it doesn’t make grown men chase after little boys.
NOW WE FINALLY KNOW WHAT THE OCTOBER SURPRISE IS: FOLEY CONFESSING THAT HE IS GAY, AN ALCOHOLIC AND A PEDOPHILE.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:41 pmIt is Who you are not What you are that counts in life.
This post is especially for the benefit of:
Ceres, LiveFree, Roger_Roger, mighty+Aphrodite, Muggle Ammurika, Homer+Simpson.
Everyone else who ever wondered what being “gay†is really all about in the USA.
What is Gay?
There seems to be a lot of confusion about this and worse. Many lies that have been around so long that they have been accepted as fact. Many of the lies have influenced society and certainly the radical religious right (RR) and other conservative groups that all too often are maligning homosexuals with terrible results. For me, I have learned that being gay is only a portion of my total being. Yes, I am gay but I am also a human being, a man, a sibling, a friend, a co-worker, a life partner, an American, and so many other things as well. Being gay means having an emotional attraction to the same sex, an ability to share a deep love. A love that is really no different than the love that straight people experience. It is much more than a sexual attraction though that is a part of it.
The Lies.
The Truth shall set you free. In coming out and accepting myself for who I am, I have found truth and the incredible freedom it unleashes. I know now that what was imprisoning me were lies and distortions. It was the lies about what the bible said about homosexuality, lies about how gays molested children and how they recruited our youth. Lies about being unfit to be parents and unsafe to be around children. Lies that said we were less than full members of the human race or an abomination. Lies about homosexuality being a sickness and a sin. Lies about lust and free sex. Lies that kept us from feeling welcome to worship in our churches and lies that divided families. Lies that gave others the ability to discredit us and to control our very lives. Lies that all too easily were passed from one generation to the next. Lies that were free to flourish in the atmosphere of silence and whispers. The same lies that had us believing we were inferior in some way and the worst lie of all, that God hated us. It is this dishonesty and deception that is at the root of what I felt and why others see us as they do. We are all victims of these lies. Truth is power and freedom. Now I also know that knowing the truth is knowing the Devine. The Devine is truth and the truth shall set you free.
What Gay Isn’t:
Gay isn’t an illness. If it was I guess we could all get days off when we wanted them. “Hey boss, I’m feeling pretty gay today, I think I better stay home until this feeling passes.”
Gay isn’t a choice, its not something I picked up, and heaven help me, it’s not a lifestyle.
Gay isn’t recruiting others into it’s ‘club’.
Gay isn’t molesting children.
Gay doesn’t mean feminine. Most look and act as straight as anyone.
Gay isn’t lisping and bent wrists.
Gay doesn’t mean flamboyant and lured displays of some.
Gay isn’t promiscuous.
Gay isn’t your entire being.
Gay isn’t catching.
Gay isn’t about sex, it is about love.
Gay isn’t a perversion.
Gay isn’t easy.
What Gay Is:
Gay is Showing or characterized by exuberance or happy excitement; merry.
Gay is how you were born. Period.
Gay is a normal part of human behavior and can’t be changed.
Gay is living a life with all the same needs everyone else has.
Gay is usually the favorite uncle or Aunt.
Gay is usually the best looking guys or gals.
Gay is monogamous partners and commitments.
Gay is affection, loving, caring, sharing, holding, trusting, and supporting.
Gay is being sensitive and gentle, the true Gentle-men.
Gay is honestly expressing your emotions and not trying to be someone you’re not.
Gay is being just the way the Devine made you.
Gay is a blessing.
Gay is love.
There is a pamphlet put out by the American Psychological Association, “Answers to Questions on Homosexuality” that provides additional information.
Some thoughts about “Special Rights”.
I want to be accepted as a human being just for who I am.
Is that a Special right?
I want to be able to hold the hand of the one I love and not feel disgust from those around me.
Is that a Special right?
I want to live a life doing all the little daily things you do and not be shunned or hated.
Is that a Special right?
I want to be around children and not be mistrusted.
Is that a Special right?
I want to live my life in peace and not fear for my safety.
Is that a Special right?
I want to live with the one I love.
Is that a Special right?
I want to serve the Devine in the place of my choice.
Is that a Special right?
I just want to be me.
Is that a Special right?
Yes, tragically. They are special rights because I don’t have them.
Gay is not an Illness.
Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional problem?
NO, certainly not! Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or emotional problem. Much objective scientific research over the past 35 years shows us that homosexual orientation, in and of itself, is not associated with emotional or social problems.
Homosexuality was thought to be a mental illness in the past because mental health professionals and society had biased information about homosexuality since most studies only involved lesbians and gay men in therapy. When researchers examined data about gay people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was found to be untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new research by removing the term “homosexuality” from the official manual that lists all mental and emotional disorders. In 1975 the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting this action. Both associations urge all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation. Since the original declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder, this decision has subsequently been reaffirmed by additional research findings and both associations.
Psychologist: Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
Gay is not a choice, it is how we were born.
I guess this is one of the most important things to understand about being gay. Being gay is something that most of us realize makes us feel different at a very early age. We just feel differently. Because it is felt at an early age it can not be something we are taught or are influenced into. The only change that might be possible by our environment is how we react to our feeling and desires. Certainly in an environment where we have confidence in who we are and a sense of well-being, it is more likely that we are to trust our feeling and come out at an earlier age. Usually in our desperate desire to be accepted as normal, most gays ignore their feeling until they are ready to come out later in their early adult years. The sooner we realize that this is just who we are and how we were born the less guilt there is for all concerned. Instead of trying to figure out the cause of a person ‘becoming’ gay, we need to simply accept it and move on with our lives.
If you think about it, if homosexuality is a choice, who would choose it? Who would choose to submit themselves to all the prejudice, hate and bigotry society imposes on us today? Being gay is not easy and certainly not a life that most would find desirable. Another way to look at it is ‘When do heterosexuals choose their sexual orientation’? You might want to ask one and see what they say. No, it’s not something you choose anymore than all the other feelings you have.
Nor is being gay “unnaturalâ€. To be gay is as natural as it is to be heterosexual. The only difference is that our life partner is of the same sex. Only religious zealots, extremists or racists who are insecure with themselves and who wrongly interpret scriptures use malice and homophobia as their basis for gay bashing and scapegoating. These people are not Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims or anything of the like. They are religious cultists who have conveniently and purposefully misconstrued the sacred words of biblical writers in order to promote and get away with their hate agendas throughout the centuries. These people are our REAL enemies. They are hate-mongers, war-mongers, money-hungry-mongers, cut-throat killers who will stop at nothing to destroy humanity in the name of their EXTREME CULTIST CAUSES. Modern day proponents of such causes include the likes of Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Billy Graham, etc.
It is almost laughable when you look at the logic of those that say being gay is a simple choice. I will agree that accepting it is a choice and living it is a choice but if you were to agree that it really is a choice to be gay then what is the choice that is being made and why do people make it. The answers are interesting I think. The reason, it seems to me, that one would choose to be gay must be because one is attracted to the same sex and has emotional and sexual feelings toward the same sex. But if you are not attracted to the same sex, why would you choose gay? There has to be the attraction and feelings. The truth is, you can not choose how you feel about the same or the opposite sex any more than you can choose if you like chocolate or seafood. When you are gay, you simply have different feelings. These are the feelings and attractions that make us gay. Are those that say gay is a choice trying to say we somehow are able to choose this attraction? Like I said, it is laughable.
Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Some people report trying very hard over many years to change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual with no success. Attempting to do this makes about as much sense as trying to change the path that leads to ones happiness. For these reasons, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation for most people to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Gay can not be changed.
It is sad but true that there are organizations that have tried to change homosexuals into heterosexuals. This is as absurd as heterosexuals trying to be converted into homosexuals. Being gay has a lot to do with our feelings and like all feelings, we can not control them but only how we react to them. We can accept them and let the natural love evolve or try to force gays into suppressing their feelings which can not be healthy. Some may claim success in converting gays to being heterosexuals but in fact all that is changed is their behavior, not their feelings or orientation.
Thankfully, in recent years, it has been recognized that it is not only impossible to change a person from gay to straight, but it is also very damaging to the person to whom this is done. Sadly, there are many disaster stories about such attempts usually motivated by religious organizations.
In 1990 the American Psychological Association stated that scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing ones sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing ones sexual behavior. It would require altering one’s emotional, romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring ones self-concept and social identity.
The American Psychological Association
Gay Stereotypes.
There is just so much garbage associated with the gay stereotype. Things like it is catching if you hang around with gays too much or that they will try to recruit you into being gay or that they attack and molest children. All this is complete rubbish and while anyone of any sexual orientation can commit sins and be morally corrupt. There is absolutely no evidence that gays have any greater propensity for this. Studies have proven that an overwhelming majority of child molesters are heterosexual men. Much of this misinformation is being spread by conservative organizations in an attempt to make this a more emotionally charged issue. It is also true that while some gays may have feminine characteristics, the vast majority are indistinguishable from straights and are in fact all around us. We just don’t know them. This is one of the reasons that the “closet strategy†works so well and also why you might not realize how many gays there are. We can blend in so very well. Yet if the truth be known, we are all around you. We are your teachers, your doctors, your neighbors, we work along side you, go to functions with you and sometimes are even part of your family. It is too bad that there is so much pressure to stay in the closet.
Perhaps some of the stereotypes is true in that gays do tend to be more sensitive and gentle, perhaps the true gentlemen.
Lured and Flamboyant Gays
If you’re like me, you are very different form the vision that some have of gays. A vision that has been unfortunately generated by a small fringe element but one that nonetheless has ‘entertained’ the media at such event as the gay pride parade. The vast majority of gays look and act very straight, not to hide so much but because that’s the way they are. It is too bad that this element has become what all too many associate with being gay. This perverted image of what gay is also has a major effect on us that are struggling with our identities. How many of us asked ourselves is this what gay is? “But I don’t feel like that or want to be like that.” What we need are better examples of normal gay people that can be roll models that we can look up to and serve to show that we really are just like everyone else. Too bad, that so much of the gay community is in the closet. The fact that they are, only proves how much they do blend in with society.
Gay is love, not sex.
Somehow, sex and particularly free sex has become associated with homosexuality. Free sex with no commitment has nothing more to do with being gay than it has to do with being straight. It is not consistent with a Christian or Jewish life and this selfish instant pleasure oriented sex can be emotionally and physically destructive. As humans, we have the special Devine given love that we can share with others. Sex without love is nothing more than animal lust. It is THIS special gift of love that makes us unique. Love is so much more than sex. It is the total sharing, trust, and a desire for a life long commitment. I have been happy and monogamous with the same beau for the last 20 years. How dare anybody try to tell me that being a gay man is somehow flawed, mentally ill, or wrong. They have the unmitigated gall to stand behind whatever so-called religion they claim to practice and say that they are right. Who are they to try to steal the happiness from any couple in the world regardless of whether they are male or female. These religious cultists are who we need to fear the most, not the terror mantras we get from the “Godless†Right Wing. It is this very element that is destroying this country and the world. If we do not stop them soon they will succeed and our planet Earth will end up like all the other planets in our galaxy – DEAD AS A DOORNAIL.
It is within the context of a lifelong committed loving relationship that sex can be a wonderful expression of that love. Sex is meant to be special not casual. To be special, it must be held precious. So precious, in fact, that it belongs only as part of the relationship with the one person with whom you have chosen to have a life long commitment. When sex is expressed in love, it involves the entire human experience, the heart, soul, and spirit. It is the most intimate sharing possible and a most beautiful and joyful thing.
IT DEFINITELY DOES NOT INVOLVE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM RELATIONSHIPS WITH MINORS. My partner and I find pedophilia to be absolutely abhorrent. The demented actions of the Neoconservative Republican Representative, Mark Foley of Florida is a perfect example of WHAT BEING GAY IS NOT.
At the top of my post I have listed just a few of the names of people who have posted in this thread. These are some of the most extreme, backward-thinking, neoconservative, hate-mongering, no-matter-what-you-say-I’m-right-because-I-hate-you people mentalities that continuously rear their ugly heads on these forums. You cannot reason with these people and they will always disappoint you. They will mangle anything you ever try to tell them. They will insult, intimidate and belittle you with no real evidence to back up their many frivolous claims. They are NOT in pursuit of any real truth as this is NOT part of THEIR so-called moral fiber, even though they may tell you that it is. Their goal and others like them are to endless distort reality into their pathetic little fantasy worlds. By far it would be best in the future for those of us with an ability to reason to entirely ignore people such as these.
By the way, I was told yesterday that Rep. Foley has been soliciting sex with young boys for the last 11 years in the House of Representatives. Suffice it to say, I got this from a very reliable source. The Republicans has kept this under wraps for very obvious reasons. Some Democrats have long since suspected Rep. Foley and his escapades with under-aged boys but were silenced and threatened by the GOP BushCo Neocon regimists. You can bet your bottom dollar that Rep. Foley had sex, not just instant message gratification, with many a young boys over the last 11 years. You would be naïve to believe any differently.
You can also be sure that there are others in the GOP lineup who are also pedophiles, closet cases, multi-adulterers, among many other things.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:06 pmIt sickens my stomach to see small minded people in this post speak against former President Bill Clinton for the one fellacio he received from a 21-yearold who was of age and who framed him as a result of it. I guarantee you that for every pervert in the Democratic Party I can match with 5 Republicans who are just as bad if not worse.
If we had this info we would have used it in 2004 and not wait for the midterm election.
What an Idiot!
October 4th, 2006 at 3:23 pmIts always been about the elections hasn’t it? Forget the kids or what Foley has done or the fact that you guys new about this for months maybe years. No you have to make sure nothing gets in the way of you getting elected again, not even the kids.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:23 pmRe: #209, Quadrajet -
That is a possibility. That it was someone other than a democrat, or even a democrat who had just come across the transcripts before they were released.
But my guess, and the circumstances of the timing of the information, tell me that the highest probability is that a democrat has had this information for some time and held back releasing it until the most politically opportune time.
I’m simply saying that if that is the case, then that person or persons put political advantage over the safety of children, and that for that they should pay.
If there WAS any cover-up on the part of the Republican leadership (holding back action on the IM’s to punish Foley) then those people are the people that should be severely punished.
Whomever it was that held-back the IM transcripts needs to be punished, period.
That, I think, we can all agree on.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:39 pmRe: #216, troll alert -
Actually, no, that’s not correct.
If you look at our style or writing, you’ll see quickly enough that we’re quite different.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:53 pmFoley is incredibley retarded. I read a great aricle titled “Mark Foley bangs boys because of booze at
I laughed my man tits off…
October 4th, 2006 at 3:53 pmRe: #221, plunger -
I love juvenile anti-semites.
There SO representative of those in the TP forums.
Unless this is sarcasm, in which case I very much appreciate the joke made at the expense of the general population of these fora.
Keep up the great work..! :)
October 4th, 2006 at 3:58 pmRe: #223, plunger -
I’m REALLY lovin’ it now..!!
Quoting AZTLAN sources..!!
Beautiful..!!!!
October 4th, 2006 at 4:00 pmRe: #224, Bruce+Gorton -
THAT is an excellent point..!!
That may well change my mind. :)
You’ve made an incredibly strong case. Very good..!!
If that case is the truth, then whomever it was that kept this mess under wraps needs to go, and go HARD..!!
Be they Republicans or Democrats.
Thanks for being the lone adult in this swamp of juvenile idiocy.
I very VERY much appreciate it.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:05 pm[...] ThinkProgress.com (October 4, 2006) Hastert: Foley Scandal Is a Liberal Conspiracy to “Get to Me†and “Affect Our Election†Interviewed by Rush Limbaugh, Hastert said, “There were two pieces of paper out there, one that we knew about and we acted on; one that happened in 2003 we didn’t know about, but somebody had it, and, you know, they’re trying — and they drop it the last day of the session, you know, before we adjourn on an election year. … But, you know, this is a political issue in itself, too, and what we’ve tried to do as the Republican Party is make a better economy, protect this country against terrorism — and we’ve worked at it ever since 9/11, worked with the president on it — and there are some people that try to tear us down. We are the insulation to protect this country, and if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as well.†[...]
October 4th, 2006 at 4:13 pmJust when you thought that the GOP Party couldn’t stoop any lower. Here is breaking news about Rep. Mark Foley on FOX News:
Bill O’Reilly Labels Rep. Foley a Democrat:
Do you see anything wrong with this graphic? The O’Reilly Factor ran it in not one, but two segments today on FOX and posted it three times. I can understand if FOX and The Factor made an error the first time, but to post it repeatedly should be a firing offense, The most watched show on FOX News has now labeled the former Republican Congressman Mark Foley, who is in the middle of a sexual predator scandal that has Hastert’s career on the ropes —a Democrat.
Here is the link to this pathetically disgusting diatribe the FOX GOPers calls an ad:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/04/bill-oreilly-labels-rep-foley-a-democrat”
Sadly, your average voter will now believe that Rep. Mark Foley is a Democrat and that the Democratic Party is now disgraced and will wrongly lose countless votes as a result of this egregious lying deceitful smear.
Repeatedly in this thread I have heard Right Wingers talk about how this should be a nonpartisan issue. Why then has the GOP Party gone out of its way to change Rep. Foley’s status in government from a Republican to a Democrat? Why you worthless, lying, snake-in-the-grass do nothing Neocon supporters. You are just like the Party you serve. This was no mistake – it was done maliciously to defame the character of the Democrats. You can be sure of it.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:21 pmLook who’s afraid of the big bad Democrats ? This little piggy eats too much porridge.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:50 pmI’m confused? Don’t the Republicans believe in “staying the course?” Why have they decided to “cut and run” on Folley? They are arguing that their course was the right one but now they turn and run. Come on Hastert! Your Commander and Chief would want you to stay the course. Arn’t you American. Isn’t “stay the course” the right thing to do?
Can we conclude that you think “staying the course” is assinine? Is there a dissonance between your thinking and your Commander and Chief’s thinking. You better sit down and pray and say your mantra tonight: “stay the course, stay the course, stay the course, stay the course.” That’s a good boy. The President would be proud of you. “Stay the course, stay the course”…..keep going….the President is watching you.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:54 pmThe GOP appear to have found their “October Surprise” hidden in the PANTS of a teenage male page.
Way to Go Dennis….You thought you’d get away with it…didn’t ya …didn’t ya.
Pass the popcorn Please and flip the chanel to ABC Liberal Conspiracy News…I wonder if Bush is about to “Arc Light” Iran to improve his trolls polls or something.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:23 pmThat’s OUR election, Hastert!
We, the People
October 4th, 2006 at 10:17 pm#254 – Dear RAmbling Mission of Truth – I confess, my eyes glazed over reading your “Gay Blade” talking points….but I do have a couple of questions:
1.) If gayness is so concerned with monogamy – WHY was the gay community overwhelmingly against closing the gay bath houses in San Francisco at the onset of the AIDS epidemic?? Those bath houses and many other dark,out of the way places are known to attract gay sluts…
2.) If gayness is so normal why is EVERY Gay Pride Parade characterized by the ultimate collections of freaks and weirdos? If I were wanting to communicate a more mainstream message, i would probably have the Gay Parents strollers on Parade or the Gay Interior Designers carrying paint buckets and waving color coded paint fans – and of course they would be in a tasteful state of dress – rather than undress.
Do I know gay people – of course I do. My favourite gay friends? The ones who act like everyone else and DON’T share TOO MUCH INFORMATION. They understand that my private life is private and I respect that their private life is PRIVATE, too…..
Good night….
October 5th, 2006 at 1:43 amClinton had a consenting affair with a consenting adult. There is no comparison between Foley and Clinton. To Mighty aphrodite, most “normal” gay people do not attend those gay pride parades. The flamboyantly gay are the only ones who attend.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:13 am“I love juvenile anti-semites.”
Comment by Iakeo — October 4, 2006 @ 3:58 pm (#262)
The juveniles in this thread are the GOP apologists (like Roger_Roger and Iakeo) with their smug, arrogant, self-absorbed comments (sound like any juveniles you know?) taken from NeoCon talking-points. They do all this, trying to deflect our attention from the fact that the party they are sluts for IS (and has been since 1964) morally, spiritually, and ethically bankrupt, not to mention criminally inclined.
Hastert is just another NeoCon whore*. Ignore him. He’ll be gone soon.
* Hastert gets paid; Roger_Roger and Iakeo are just sluts – they do it for the sicko-fun of doing it!
October 5th, 2006 at 2:44 amAnswers for poster # 254, mighty+aphrodite.
Yes, I do tend to be a rather verbose chap at times. However, your use of “RAmbling†discredits me without due cause. I do not move aimlessly from place to place nor do I mince or explore my words aimlessly. On the contrary. I am a very forthright person and am quite stable in all things I do. Perhaps it is because I have taken literature seriously for over 50 years I may appear wordy to those who are less read than I. You are obviously homophobic so no matter how I respond you will find fault with the answer you get. However, I will give you the benefit of a response anyway, because I am a compassionately warm and wonderful human being.
People are individuals regardless of whether they are gay or straight. There are gay people in every part of the world. There always has been and there always will be whether you like it or not. There are as many “different†kinds of gay people as there are heterosexuals. I and my partner personally have never stepped foot into a gay bath house nor any other house of ill repute for that matter. Yet the straight community has houses of prostitution throughout the world. Why do you not mention that?
Neither one of us ever smoked, drank or used drugs.
We have no need of gay bars. There are literally millions of nightclubs and bars for straights. Why do you not mention that? They are for singles whom are in need of companionship and have no other outlet at their disposal.
My partner and I are spiritual but not religious. To be “religious†is to be racist. Religion in and of itself promotes hatred, bigotry and murder because of its many contradictory messages that makes enemies of humanity in general. To be spiritual is to find genuine peace, tranquility and happiness within oneself and to try to find it in others. There is magic in spiritualism but not in religion.
As far as AIDS is concerned, this disease has no boundaries. Women, men, children, newborns, and every race and creed around the world today is faced with this horrid disease, both gays and straights needless to say. My partner and I do not suffer from this ailment and we are grateful for it. Sadly there are millions of people struggling to survive with this illness. HIV can be contracted obviously through having anal or vaginal sex but not by kissing, touching, caressing, or mutual masturbation. HIV may also be contracted through the use of unsanitary needles, blood transfusions and the like.
Mighty+Aphrodite, my partner and I have other friends who are gay couples too. Neither we nor they are “sluts†as you label some. Sadly, we have lost one of our very close friends recently whom was monogamous with one man for 35 years. Whatever your “religion†has taught you I hope that people like you can somehow find a way to embrace gay people rather than to “hate†a group of people simply because of impressions you may have or what you have been told about them by your faith or by people you are affiliated with in your life.
The people you see at a Gay Pride Parade make up a very small part of the gay community. They do their best to stand out because it is what the heterosexual community has come to expect from them. It is nothing more than a theatrical performance, props and all, and you have obviously fallen for it. It is also because gay people tend to be festive, glamorous and flirtatious. They want YOU to notice them and to REMEMBER them.
Heterosexuals have all kinds of parades and celebrations of their own too. Oftentimes your parades don’t exemplify anything traditional, conservative or bland either. Again, there are as many different kinds of gay people as there are straight people. I wish you would at least try to understand that.
I am glad to see, on another note, that you respect other peoples privacy and that they reciprocate the same to you. However, if one is gay and is in your company I see no reason why that person can’t be who they are. They should not be criticized, made to feel uncomfortable or hampered from expressing themselves, including their sexuality. You wouldn’t want to be held captive in a “closetâ€. So why would you expect anybody else to be held or contained in one?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:27 amCorrection to post # 273:
Answers for poster # 270 in reference to # 254, for mighty+aphrodite.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:44 amTo Mission of Truth — Bravo, bravo, and bravo again. What an exquisite rendering of the truth. Thank you for your honesty, your bravery, and your insight. So often simple minded/single minded people simply “buy” into what they think they are “supposed” to believe and won’t even consider that there may be some flawed reasoning in their thinking. I am proud that I found this post, because I think you have beautifully covered many points that people need to hear.
Just so you (and your target audience) will know. I have been married for 26 years, have raised two very successful kids (now adults), am still married, and I am gay. My wife knows, my kids also know. My wife has become my best friend and the love you spoke so eloquently about is the love that I experience with her. Many people can’t understand why I didn’t “come out” when the kids were raised and I can only say that I have a whole lifetime invested in my relationship with my wife and I am not willing to cast that aside.
The world is made up of all kinds of different people. Would that we could accept others and not “worry” so much about “what” they are but respect them for “who” they are.
I have to say that in had I been born in a different time I might have been able to experience my relationship with a man, but for me because of all the social pressures and lies that you accurately described in your post, eithier I didn’t have the guts or felt that the options were not there for me.
I am writing this in support of your post, hoping that maybe in some small way I might have an impact on the wee minded people who have such trouble seeing past the end of their own nose.
Thanks again “Truth”. You are my hero today.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:30 amInsignificant+aphrodite has again tried and failed to turn the topic from pedophilia and NeoCon cover up to homosexuality.
Most folks who are pedophiles are heterosexuals (as insignificant+aphrodite claims to be).
That too is (like insignificant+aphrodite) totally unimportant.
What is important is that this episode clearly shows that the party of insignificant+aphrodite’s choice is morally, spiritually, and ethically bankrupt*, not to mention criminally inclined.
Nothing that any of the GOP apologists lurking on this thread whine about can change that fact.
* Hastert’s claiming that this is merely a “political issue” show his intellectual bankruptcy as well.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:22 pmIf you read the Chicago Tribune article this morning you would have noticed Coach really take a stretch. This is all Clinton’s fault, especially as Clinton’s “advisor Richard Morris” knew about it.
October 5th, 2006 at 6:10 pmDenny needs his rolodex updated, Dick Morris is ummmm, well, the best way to say this is……a right wing back stabber.
Hastert must go. But the real perversion is that someone in the U.S. government either actively or passively ALLOWED those hijackers to destroy those towers. And that someone in the U.S. government had those towers “blown”, along with Building No. 7.
October 5th, 2006 at 6:23 pmWhat was that Rebiblican choice about live boys and losing elections?
October 5th, 2006 at 8:59 pmThis is a non-issue except for Foley being a stupid ass.
The age of consent in Washington, DC is 16. So, Foley isn’t any
pedophile. He’s a dope, but not a criminal in Washington.
More likely that some clever 16 year olds were trying to have some fun with a dirty old gay man. That any 16 year old with computer access is unaware of most forms of weird sex in this day and age is ridiculous to assume.
The hypocrisy of a supposedly child-protecting Republican (Foley) is a major issue here and if the Democrats win enough seats in the next election, their October surprise will have been a success. Then we can expect higher taxes and more bad government for which the Democrats are famous.
Listening to the silly Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and the leftist media who keep this non-issue in front of the public is too much to bear.
No matter how sleazy any Republican might be, on balance the Democrats are worse. Clinton’s under desk sex was a far bigger matter at that time. Again, 16 year old pages aren’t minors in Washington, DC. So, what’s the big deal here?
October 6th, 2006 at 10:55 pmComment by HUGE BRAIN — October 6, 2006 @ 10:55 pm
Yeah it is all Republicans love to have sex with young boy, it is no pedophile no crime.
BLAME THEM BLAME THEM STUPID BOYS trick the old poor Republican GAY.
Yeah, we should stay in our crazy stupid dirty corrupt party. What is our point? Our party is more important than our country our people.
Yeah what the big deal here? This 16 yo page is our Republican familly’s son not Democrate’s. Yeah some our leaders want to exploit them yeah it is not big deal for us.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:16 amComment by HUGE BRAIN — October 6, 2006 @ 10:55 pm
Yeah, it is too much. This is REALLY non-issue with us Repbulican. A REALLY issue is voters for Repbulican think this is an issue with our “Familly Values”. And it is their REALLY issue because they believe in wrong things. our REALLY “Familly Values” are GAY, CORRUPT, LIES and PED and ofcause DRUNK. Yeah our REALLY issue is cover our asses now.
October 7th, 2006 at 1:56 amIt is now clear that the Speaker of the House knew of a problem as far back as 2002 and when Foley said he was going to retire in 2005 the Speaker of the House urged Mark Foley to go for re-election. So during at least all of the 2004 election cycle the Speaker of the House knew he was backing a child stacker and sex offender. RL (blowing hard as always) seems to never get it, this was a Republican sandal, outed by Republicans after the cover up was blown and covered up at least three years by the Republican leadership. The only fault the Democrats can be accused of is enjoying it too much, the entire egg is on Republican faces.
October 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pm[...] Page Summary: If they are tried at all, it will be before military commissions and the prisoners will not know what evidence is given against them. Not nearly enough people in the US who vote have any respect or even regard for Limbaugh to make any difference in this coming election. Fox news knew all about it and hid it, wonder why. That, I view, as being unnacceptable from a elected official who makes a big deal about his party being the party of responsibility.read more | digg story [...]
October 27th, 2006 at 1:20 am[...] Rumsfeld resigns in disgrace just weeks after the smirking chimp assured America he was going to be running the Pentagon through 2008. Hastert steps down as minority leader just weeks after passing the buck on the Foley scandal. Meanwhile, True Blue Blog’s resident trolls are nowhere to be found – even on their own blogs (this means you, Rociante). [...]
November 8th, 2006 at 3:01 pm[...] Various people are suggesting that the timing of the news release was set up by the Democrats and the Liberal media. Include Sean Hannity and Congresswoman Harris of Florida in that group, along with Hastert and his supporters. [...]
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