Conservatives Repeat Baseless Claim That Foley Scandal Was Timed To Affect Elections
Conservatives Repeat Baseless Claim That Foley Scandal Was Timed To Affect Elections
Top conservatives continue to react to the Mark Foley scandal as political operatives instead of as concerned parents. To minimize political fallout, they are spreading the baseless claim that the release of Foley’s emails to underage pages was timed to impact November’s elections:
House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
[S]omebody had [Foley’s emails], and, you know, they’re trying — and they drop it the last day of the session, you know, before we adjourn on an election year. [Link]
Rush Limbaugh:
I’m just telling you that the — the — the orgy and the orgasm that has been taking place in the media since Friday and with the Democrats is — it’s all coordinated, and it’s all — it’s all oriented toward the election. There’s no concern about the kid — no concern about the children. [Link]
Tony Blankley, Washington Times editor:
While I don’t have any proof, I will be amazed if Democratic operatives and at least a few Democratic congressmen didn’t know about this and fed it to the media through various obscure blogs and to ABC. [Link]
But the reporters who broke this story have discredited this conspiracy theory:
ABC investigative journalist Brian Ross:
Ross dismissed suggestions by some Republicans that the news was disseminated as part of a smear campaign against Mr. Foley.
“I hate to give up sources, but to the extent that I know the political parties of any of the people who helped us, it would be the same party,” Mr. Ross said, referring to Republicans. [Link]
ABC producer Maddy Sauer:
They were passed to a colleague of mine from a source, not someone from a Democratic campaign, a source on the Hill. And when we talked to Foley’s office about those emails, they seemed to know all about them. “It’s no big deal. He is overly friendly. He’s overly engaging. If he’s guilty of anything, that’s all he’s guilty of. He’s very close with the pages. He has worked with the page program for some time.”
So we published that story, and then almost immediately we began receiving emails from former pages, some going back as far as five years, who said this is the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more here. [Link]
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Even if it were coordinated, isn’t this this same crap that the Republican party has been doing for years now with the Rove machine?
I can see a flip side to this. This could be the October surprise because the conservatives are going to be all up in arms but with a twist. “See gays are pedafiles”. I can just see it now, get the base energized at the expense of a few.
Of course this is all tin-foil, but it wouldn’t surprised me if it happened.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:56 pmHow can these people think this way? I found this link this morning to a conservative site:
“Don’t Take a Page from Foley’s Book” These people say that the kids got what they deserve, like some people say rape victims asked for it. I hate this crap.
Why are they so horrible? I hope we can do something to take our country back for us. I feel sick over this, and they are blaming children.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:56 pmRepublicans are in a huge fight for control of Congress and retention of power. No surprises that they’ll want to divert attention from their protection of known pedophiles.
Democrats, however, have let Habius Corpus be subverted by BushCo with little more than a whimper. Amerika is no longer a Republic. It is now official a Dictatorship.
Shouldn’t we care about these things?
October 4th, 2006 at 1:01 pmWhy the big deal? Every body knows the E-mails were forged by Bill Clinton just to get even with Wallace for making him (Clinton) look so bad.
Well why not? It makes as much sense as the other crap they try to pin on Bill.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThis “theory” has already been discredited and the public already knows it. To the American people, these guys are just looking more like big, fat blowhards.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:02 pmCouldn’t one just as easily argue that the Foley coverup was timed to affect elections?
October 4th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWhat’s the problem? We’ve seen two stolen presidencies, a city gone down the toilet, an unwinnable war-for-profit…and THIS is political?
Go do something to yourselves, ‘cons.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:03 pm“Baseless Claim”? Nico you’re putting us on.
The original email that was published last week was from 2003. It was in media hands in 2005. This is now October 2006. That timeline alone is a basis for suspecting that someone put politics over protecting pages by delaying the publication of the story for a year - especially since the stroy fits so well with the bogus “culture of corruption” theme the Dems tried to gin up for this campaign. My guess is the Dems had the Foley story in their back pocket all the time, and always planned to use it now.
Foley is gone, as he should be, but recent history (Studds, Franks, Clinton) shows that if Foley had been a Democrat he would still be in office. After all, to paraphrase the “Slick Willie” defense, it wasn’t really sex - it was only emails/IMs about sex, sort of.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:04 pm#2 Amazed– I read that as well. Someone from an earlier thread posted it. I am pretty sure it’s not “real”, and am hoping that it’s just a satire. Hope. Because, I was chuckling as I read it, and it would be bad for me to laugh if it were for real.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:04 pmThey’re right in one sense - it’s sure as hell going to affect some elections.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:05 pmThese assholes are talking like sex with children is on the same level as say, a Claude Allen theft ring.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:05 pmRepublicans: Pro-Pedophilia Party
October 4th, 2006 at 1:05 pmYeah, sure. The party of Greedy Obtuse Perfidious child molesters never bothered to notify a single Democrat about the Foley situation! Not a one!
HAD ENOUGH!? Anyone voting for a Republican this November is voting for a Greedy Old Pervert!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:06 pmUmmm, yeah, ABC and the Democratic party are best buds right now. Path to 9/11 was less than a month ago. I seem to remember Ms. Pelosi being a little upset with ABC. Anyone else recall this? Who cares why it is breaking now, get on with the independent investigation already!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:07 pmSorry but the GOP membership tried to keep Mark Foley’s perversions with young underage teenage male Pages under wraps for years! Democrats had nothing to do with keeping a GOP sexual predator pederast a secret!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:08 pmDad - the republicans are corrupt, and have been for a long time, and to a degree to which no Dems’ ever dared to dream - the catalog is thicker than Sears’. You and your buds need to swallow that pill, or all your kids are going to get drafted and their legs blown off, and you’re going to spend your golden years flippin burgers for a foreign-owned choke and puke.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:09 pmNice to see Rush so concerned about the children. Oh wait…he couldn’t care less about the children himself. He is more angry that the Republicans look bad than the fact that children were subjected to the sexual advances of a pedophile.
But let’s assume that the person leaking this information DID do it solely to affect elections. Which is better? Leaking this information to affect an election with the residual benefit of exposing a child exploiter and pedophile; or covering up and protecting a pedophile because you don’t want the party to look bad to the public. Which of these actions has the side affect of helping children even IF it is politically motivated?
This is just addressing Rush’s idiotic statements. We now know that it was a Republican source that leaked the emails.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:10 pm“Foley is gone, as he should be, but recent history (Studds, Franks, Clinton) shows that if Foley had been a Democrat he would still be in office. After all, to paraphrase the “Slick Willie†defense, it wasn’t really sex - it was only emails/IMs about sex, sort of.
Comment by Citizen+Dad — October 4, 2006 @ 1:04 pm”
The problem is, emails/IMs about sex to a minor is illegal, under the very law Foley had a hand in creating. Why hasn’t this guy been perp-walked yet?
Also, what media hands had the emails in 2005? Fox? Because ABC is the one that finally ran it.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:11 pmConservatives for American Values is a spoof site. Everything I have read there reeks of Stephen Colbert style comedy. Just read it and you will see.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:13 pmThey weren’t complaining when The Path To 9-11 was being aired.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:14 pmcitizen, The IM info came from REPUBLICANS not dem so I guess the GOP is taking it self down! What about Strom Thurman, OH yeh! Typical you would forget!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:16 pm1. The “media” that had this story and did nothing with it for a year was none other than FOX NEWS.
2. Brian Ross who broke the story for ABC NEWS has come out last night and said that he got the information for this story from a REPUBLICAN.
Catch up with the rest of us if you want to try and debate.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:17 pmCitizen Dad is soft on kiddy fiddlers.
Hope your tune changes when a 53-year-old in a position of power starts IMing your 16-year old child with praises and invitations.
Fiddler sympathizer!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:17 pmOf course the Repugs would blame the other party.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:18 pmOf course they are going to assume the other side would do exactly what they would do, regardless of whether or not there’s any evidence for it.
It’s part of their psychopathology.
My guess is the Dems had the Foley story in their back pocket all the time, and always planned to use it now.
1. Hastert had it in his back pocket the whole time too. At the very least, he should know better than to think it would never come out. This probably says as much about his leadership quality as the failure to protect minors. Bad judgement piled on bad judgement.
2. When confronted, he pulled a Clinton - “no one had seen these emails.” Well, he didn’t exactly say that he wasn’t completely aware of the presence of a sexual predator lurking his halls, now was he? It’s pretty evident now that the Republican leadership knew about it, and in the coming months (screw the elections) the Reps are going to have to deal with the political equivalent of the church abuse scandal. Foley immediately blaming his - and Hastert’s - problem on the church isn’t going to win them any favors either.
The problem with hiding skeletons in your closet is that the closet has a finite amount of space. Every time you open the door to stuff one in, there’s a chance that things will spill back out. Once something does crack the closet door open and you weren’t watching it…. dirty laundry everywhere.
Enjoy watching your party doing what it does best: slither
October 4th, 2006 at 1:21 pmOnce again the Democrats lack an effective communications plan. Where are the press releases noting that Republicans disaffected with the lack of moral accountability in the Republican leadership of Congress are the ones who released the information? I have watched the television stations, listened to NPR and have yet to hear a liberal/Democratic spokesman tie this into the message. We should be pushing this story:
The Republicans tried to cover up the offense, the Republican leadership and their extremist right-wing spokesmen try to blame the offenses on the victims, the Republicans leadership and their out of the mainstream extremist allies try to turn this lack of values into a partisan football as they have on so many other issues by alleging that the Democrats released the information. However, we know that the disclosure did not come from the Democrats. It came from those within the Republican Party by those few who recognize its corrupt lack of values and accountability.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:21 pmFirstly, Hastert withheld the information from the public to affect the balance of political balance of power. That is a political maneuver. Perhaps even a criminal maneuver.
Secondly, the good people of Florida have the right to about Foley’s criminal behavior as iinformed voters.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:24 pmStudds: Page was 17 (technically “at age of consent”)
Franks: nothing to do with pages, male prostitute of age
Clinton: consenting adult female
Obviously the problem here is that he was 16, and that the leadership knew about twhat was happening. They knew what was happening and did nothing about it to protect their ever so special POWER.
http://www.getsomejosh.com
October 4th, 2006 at 1:25 pmTiming is EVERYTHING in an election year.
One more nail in the coffin for the Repuke majority.
Now might be a good time to buy insurance against a “landslide” ye fellow blue-staters.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:26 pmIsn’t this the parody that The Daily Show did on Monday night w/John Oliver?
If you watch the first clip, “sexual congress,” here , it really sounds like about the same argument.
That’s just sad.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:28 pmThe GOP are upset that they were beat to the punch by an October surprise of their own making. If they had given the Dems a huge October surprise of that actually benefitted themselves then everyone would be calling this smart politics on the part of the GOP. Republicans expect to have it both ways. Today they can’t get their act together ( it’s doubtful they ever have in the six years they’ve commanded government) and now it’s still the Democrats’ fault? Come on! I’m still trying to figure out how they won the last presidential election.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:33 pm#26
That fine to demand the Democrats speak out on this, and they have. Now if the **cough**”liberal media”**cough**, would air them……
October 4th, 2006 at 1:33 pmIt seems the GOP can’t actually do anything, except make excuses for not doing anything.
GOP - party of impotence.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:34 pmJMohr, perhap’s the best thing to do at present is let the building burn to the ground..When all other sorces have covered the talking point’s and proved the Dem’s are not part of the problem, I would think for once they should have little to say……Like I said let it burn and self distruct. The Dem’s have enough on their plate with allowing those dreadful bill’s to go through last week with out a wimper. Many of them are due for re asignment to unemployment……Blessings
October 4th, 2006 at 1:35 pmDoesn’t anyone find it just a teensy bit odd that Ken Mehlman has kept his flappy lips shut through this whole scandal? Uncle Karl must have locked Ken Mehlman and Mary Cheney into a room at an undisclosed location for the duration of the scandal. And why doesn’t any one get an honest conzervative opinion from the White House’s official gay hustler Jeff Gannon? Ken Mehlman is just as much a sick queen as Foley.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:36 pmGet this: Even Ann “Neocon Pundit Whore” Coulter said on O’Lielly last night that the Dems will probably sweep the election.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:39 pmLet’s play pin the blame on the victim.
Seriously, a fifty something man asking 16 year olds for pictures and then the family of the 16 year old asking for it to be hushed up because they don’t want to make waves or don’t want to subject their son to more embarrassment should set off alarm bells for anyone who cares about more than Power and winning elections. That Rush Limbaugh is out there saying that “we” need to look the other way so that “we” can transform the Supreme Court, etc. is nothing short of disgusting.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:39 pmGosh, a coordinated attic on the other party before an election! Duh!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:42 pmGosh, a coordinated attic on the other party before an election! Duh!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:42 pm….perhap’s the best thing to do at present is let the building burn to the ground……Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
Yeah. But, Sharon, I would love it if someone showed up with a can of gas to really get it burning!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:43 pmSteady there. They’re just trying to throw sand in your eyes. Hastert’s a wrestler. It’s called “fighting dirty.”
The story that they want you to believe is that the Republicans and the Democrats each had the evidence for months, if not years, and that both parties sat on it until the duplicitous Democrats betrayed the upstanding Republicans just before the election.
Do you believe that the Democrats successfully calculated that it would be more effective to let the truth out now rather than earlier, when it might have influenced the outcomes of a number of Republican “victories”?
Do you believe that the Republicans calculated that it would be smarter to trust the Democrats to keep their secret?
Their story so comprehensively unbelievable as to confirm their reputation as the Party of Liars and Cheats.
And it’s all beside the point. The Republicans could and should have dealt with this earlier. If they want to blame the Democrats for forcing them to face the evil they were protecting, let them.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:45 pmThis just in from ABC News: FORMER FOLEY CHIEF OF STAFF KIRK FORDHAM RESIGNS AMID QUESTIONS OVER WHETHER HE SUPRESSED INFORMATION ABOUT FOLEY EMAILS
October 4th, 2006 at 1:46 pmI agree with JMohr - anyone who wants to see these bozos OUT of office needs to speak up! Unfortunately, as Wayne pointed out, there may not be a equal playing field as far as platforms to be heard, but, we’ve got to try!
I, for one, am sick of the lies that come out of the Republicans mouths. And if we don’t respond immediately then the issue dies off, and by the time the truth comes out the ones that need to hear the truth aren’t listening anymore.
The lies comes out on page one and the corrections come out buried in the back pages!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:48 pmWell thank god somebody made it public before this pedophile actually made physical contact with the young boy.
And to #8, Citizen + Dad, if this congress isn’t a culture of corruption, what is? We’ve got a congressman falsifying his address to get his kids into a better school system, a congressman under SEC investigation, a congressman who laundered money (and resigned), a congressman who took bribes (and resigned), numerous congressmen involved with Abramoff, a bogus war, so on, and so on, and now a pedophile. Is this OK with you? Presumably, you pay taxes to pay the salaries of these guys, and to pay for the items our government pays for. If these are the type of people you want handling your money, then you’re not the brightest bulb are you?
Can’t you people ever come up with your own opinions without reading republican talking points?
As far as the “baseless claim” comment, it is already known that republicans new about this a year ago and covered it up. Blame them for not bringing it out sooner or at the very least, forcing Foley to resign then for his “alcoholism” problem. Please.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:49 pmLet’s not forget that Studds was censured in the same resolution with a Republican, Dan Crane, for doing the same thing.
Look, neither party is the party of pedophilia. There are sickos like this in all walks of life and of all political stripes. What matters here is the coverup. When Hasbeen and Boner, Reynolds, and Shimkus, found out about this stuff, the first thing they did was keep it to themselves, leaving Democrats, even Democrats that should know (like Dale Kildee on the page committee) out of the loop. This isn’t like “Democrats saw the same intelligence, wah, wah, wah.” They didn’t. Then the Republicans, learning nothing from the very public lessons of the Catholic Church, simply reprimanded Foley privately and hoped the problem would go away.
Even Hasbeen said that the only time he “might have” heard something about this was in the context of “a bunch of a dozen other things that might affect campaigns.” From day one this was handled as a political problem, rather than a potentially criminal matter. It’s these people who continued to let teenagers get harassed. And for that all these guys deserve to be hoisted on their own petard.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:49 pmClassic Repulsivescum KKKarl Rovian REDIRECTION strategies:
“Blame the Other Guy”-
…despite the fact that Hastert and his Repulsivescum cronies allegedly ONLY saw the initial (less sexually explicit) emails and decided NOT to investigate any further, where they would have FOUND the more sexually explicit emails…
THIS is a Democrat conspiracy!
“Blame the Victim” -
…the pages are just asking for the attention they get…
“Re-direct the Focus” -
…from Hastert’s and his co-conspirators (in the Repulsivescum leadership’s) cover up…
…to Foley’s (and the greater gay community’s) sexual proclivities…
Stare into Rove’s sick (politically hypnotic) creating reality world at your own risk…
…otherwise…
…focus on Iraq (need to withdraw), Bushiva and Cheney’s lies, TREASON (suspension of habaeus corpus), mass murder and war profiteering, DEBT (and who’s going to have to repay it), UNIVERSAL healthcare, etc…
October 4th, 2006 at 1:57 pmVictimization is the last refuge of a scoundrel
October 4th, 2006 at 1:58 pmIf this information was released to influence the election, then there’s only one major question:
WHY DID THE REPUBLICANS RELEASE IT???
ABC has stated the information came from the Republican side of the ailse, so why are they eating their own? Why would a Republican want to encourage people to vote Democrat?
Maybe whoever it was decided that enough was enough and they’d rather do the right thing by outint the pedophilic leanings of Rep. Foley rather than allow him to prey upon underage boys. I guess SOMEONE within the Republican party had an attack of personal responsibility!
October 4th, 2006 at 1:58 pmHas to be Boner behind this timing, to remove Hastert and allow him to grasp the Speaker position.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:04 pmFordam just needs to “spend more time with his family.” It’s highly likely Hastert, Reynolds, Shimkus, et al. will have to step aside, but it won’t be for coddling a child predator–but for not doing enough fast enough about the “Foley Situation” and the shit storm it has rained on the GOP.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:08 pmKKKarl “The Dumpling” Rove is planning a distraction… Look for the N. Korea supposed nuke test to escalate into a security incident. Never mind that we have hundreds of nuke warheads sailing around on Trident subs in the Pacific. What happened to deterrence? You will see this supposed test played for all its worth. What else will they pull out of their asses, OSAMA? Rest assusred, Karl has somthing in store for us…
Texas Juice
October 4th, 2006 at 2:09 pm# 49. Your insensitivity to this issue by using ‘Boehner’ and ‘behind’ in the same sentence is disturbing…hehehe. I just can’t get enough of this. How’s El Presidente handling this egregious breach of protocol on “his watch”? Lyndon Johnson is rolling in his grave…aka laughing his ass off.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:17 pm” t doen’t matter if the SOB did it, just make him deny it.”
48 & 49 — I too am wondering who released the IMs (emails were pretty tame according to what I’ve read) and why now if they have had them for months?
Could be either a Repub with a conscience or the MSM/Dem cabal releasing it now to affect the election. Of course, according to TPers there are no Repubs with a conscience so that leaves us with one option, right guys?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad Foley was exposed (sorry for the poor choice of words) but you must admit, the timing is pretty suspicious.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:17 pmA republican leaked this information. Brian Ross of ABC News who broke this story said that his source is a republican, not a democrat.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:20 pmNice strawman, but this information was released by a republican, not a democrat.
And you call us conspiracy theorists.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:23 pmYou know why they think that? Because it’s something they would do.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:23 pmC’mon!!! take responsibility for yorur inaction
October 4th, 2006 at 2:33 pmSpudge,
Sorry to have to parse the quote on you but it seems to be necessary these days… the Ross quote is (from the TP story above): “to the extent that I know the political parties of any of the people who helped us, it would be the same party”
Is he saying that the information was provided by Republicans (meaning the same party as Foley) or is he saying that multiple people from the same party helped them?
Probably the former but you could read it either way… really depends on the meaning of ‘is’ — oops, I mean ‘it’.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThey are just mad that thier own actions have come back to bite them on thier pasty white asses.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:37 pmPer Dailykos, two Forida newspapers also sat on the story:
As was pointed out, how hard would it have been to corroborate the info? ABC didn’t have a problem with this…
October 4th, 2006 at 2:39 pmCaption: “Hand Check!!”
Of course, according to TPers there are no Repubs with a conscience ….Comment by Concerned+Conservative
Unfortunately for your little progressive-bashing theory - I have already posted previously that I suspect that a Republican with a conscience leaked the information. I’d like to find out who it was, make sure that that person was not originally part of the cover-up and, if s/he wasn’t, to offer my thanks and appreciation.
so that leaves us with one option, right guys?….Comment by Concerned+Conservative
Yep, put the responsibility where it belongs - on the sexually exploitative Foley and Hastert and the other voter exploiting Republicans who covered up. Thanks for playing “Name That Blame”.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGood point, Joe Sixpack, did I say it is good to see you back again, no, well it is good to see you posting again…Didn’t you use to put up pictures for us.? And what happened to you’re trade mark statement.? Miss that also…..Have lot’s of gas can’s filled, any one need one.?…LOL…Blessings
October 4th, 2006 at 2:47 pmSharon (34): I have to disagree with you. I was just listening to Talk of the Nation on NPR. The Republican pollster repeated the mantra that this was a deceptive tactic on the part of the Democrats for partisan purposes. The Democratic pollster let the comment go unchallenged. Two additional callers made the same point. This was pollitics by the Democrats. The messaging does two things: First, it attacks Democrats as being partisan and acting in an underhanded manner. Attack the messenger and undermine their credibility. Second, it creates a myth that will live on in the GOP base and with independent voters. Remember the number of people who believed that Saddam was involved in 9/11? Remember the number who believed that WMD were found. Our greatest weakness as a party has been in failing to rise to these challenges. It takes little time and exposes the Republicans for being the partisan “we will do whatever it takes” politicians that they are.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:59 pmJMorh,
I just heard the same NPR segment and wanted to call in to dispute, but didn’t catch the dial in number.
It was strange (sad) how both “Conservative Christian” callers noted that they can not see that they have any choice, but to still vote Republican. They seemed to be alluding to the Democrats’ support of Roe v. Wade. I wanted nothing more than to point out their, now, hypocritical stance of: I don’t believe in “murdering babies”, and because of that I support their molestation and its cover-up if they are alive.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:18 pmThank you JMohr! Sharon may possibly have been kidding because she usually serves up equal parts feisty AND good karma and note her subsequent statement:
“The Dem’s have enough on their plate with allowing those dreadful bill’s to go through last week with out a wimper.”
That was SURELY sarcasm if I know Sharon even a little!
But I agree about the challenging the lies and other bits of mis-information. We’ve let them paint us as weak and wimpy too long! Lies need to be challenged immediately!
October 4th, 2006 at 3:24 pm“Lies need to be challenged immediately! ”
Exactly, did Dems learn nothing from the 2004 election Campaign?
October 4th, 2006 at 3:32 pmI respect Mr. Ross for having the courage to come out and report this story. It shows that not all journalists are tools for the Repugnacan crime machine.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:53 pmThey were worned the pages about Foley in 1995! The GOP has had Controll of Congress since 1994. The leadership new back in 1995 otherwise why would they worn them? Left leaning media you mean the same media ABC that ran the madeup “path to 9/11″ as true! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA tell me another one!!
October 4th, 2006 at 3:59 pmworn=warn
October 4th, 2006 at 3:59 pmAlso, what great lies the left tells, Gerry Studds was never covered up like the Foley affair. Secondly, the page in Studds’s case was of the age of consent. But also Studds was censured for his actions nonetheless. I think you need to get your facts straight.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:01 pmNo left…the AMerican Pravda (oops, I mean FOx News) knew about the story for a year
October 4th, 2006 at 4:02 pmNo left…the American Pravda (oops, I mean Fox News) knew about the story for a year.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:03 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells…..
Hmmmm, let me think how I can make a point here? I know, I’ll act like the liberals/democrats don’t care about the children just like Rush does, cuz I listen to him and believe that he is the 2nd coming right behind Bush. I believe without a doubt everything that comes out of his mouth and I’ll even make it sound like an original thought.
You know what “whatgreatliesthelefttells” we’ve got enough on Bush and his whole band of gangsters, so tire yourself out by trying to prove that we are hypocrites it doesn’t matter.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:22 pmThe fact is you’ve aligned yourself with an administration that has cost the lives of 3000 servicemen who many still believe that they are fighting in Iraq for our freedom, he’s also cost American servicemen approx 20,000 of them to be permanently maimed…And in case you’ve lost count, because I have, another 15,000 innocent Iraqis. So you see, it doesn’t matter what you believe, ABC has already denounced that a Democrat leaked the story, what’s more is that you cannot fathom the idea of being wrong about anything, you’re side is infallible so there must be someone else to blame. Well, there’s not, sorry, so spin your f-ing wheels and try to justify your administration of lies to go to war, the killing of thousands of innocent people, the raping of the constitution, illegal wiretapping, shall I go on? Ok, how about the right to lifers? Well, did you know in the sweatshops that make clothes for Banana Republic, The Gap and many other big name stores that your same Republican party is the benefactor of child labor, the sex slave trade with minors and the subsequent forced abortions that happen after they are forced into sex slavery!? Did you know any of this? No I didn’t think so, so before you use the liberal human right of a women to have jurisdiction over her own reproduction, stick that in your pipe and smoke it before you try to use that against us too. Friggin A-holes! Can’t wait to make this king a lame duck!!! l
1) Studds was voted 5x , not 3
October 4th, 2006 at 4:24 pm2) 17 is the age of consent in DC.
3) Show me where Brian ROss was informed in 2005. I’ll bet you can’t even do that, can you?
To which I say “too effin bad”
October 4th, 2006 at 4:28 pmwhatgreatliesthe lefttells…
You really are sad. I mean you make calims, yet, no link to your claims appear.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:41 pmTimed to effect elections?
If indeed it was, then that’s reason to celebrate. Democrats are FINALLY learning how to fight as dirty as Karl Rove has for years. That, more than anything else, is giving the wingnuts conniptions.
I wonder if a lot of Dems suffer from nosebleeds, given how often they take the high road. Good to see them hitting below the belt for a change…if indeed that’s what’s happening.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:53 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells….Dude seriously, what is your point? Even if Ross held it since 2005 I still don’t see your point, there’s talk out there that Faux News had it before ABC but held onto it longer, so take the “liberal media” out of it (The same liberal media that owns Disney and ran a propaganda “docudrama” about 911 that wasn’t true, liberal media my ass) The fact is is that Foley fondled an underage boy and then his friends tried to cover it up. End of story.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:01 pmwhatliestheRightloves,
Everything you say is a lie AND you post no links and claim to be “learned” by not doing so. Its almost hilarious.
You have to bring up something that occurred over 20 years ago which is completely irrelevant to feel you have something to stand on.
You are making excuses for a Pedophile and should be ashamed of yourself. You somehow think its worse for Democrats, who didn’t know, to release this information (which they didn’t) than it is for the Republicans who verifiably did know, to cover it up.
You are disgusting and obvious.
Fake outrage? Just because you have no soul, doesn’t mean no one else does.
A Republican released this information. Get informed or provide the proof which disclaims this, otherwise you are nothing, but a sick, sick, sick, sick, joke.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:19 pmThese people that keep bringing stuff up that happened decades ago to accuse the left of hypocrisy crack me up!
I’m pretty sure that everyone here agrees that Foley was acting inappropriately and that his party just happens to be the one shoving family values down our throats all the time, hence this smash-up.
Judging from some of the reactions to this scandal from the right side of the aisle I think it’s possible that it’s not just the White House that’s in denial!
October 4th, 2006 at 5:22 pmAs a matter of fact no I was not outraged. I wasn’t surprised at all to learn that Bush got away with not fulfilling his military obligations! I was surprised that they were surprised!
Hmmm - interesting comparison, someone who is found out to be a predator and someone who is found out to have not fulfilled their National Guard obligations. Which party are those two from again?
October 4th, 2006 at 6:04 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells = asshat…what else needs to be said
October 4th, 2006 at 6:37 pm#97, I think there are a lot of holes in your logic and it’s obvious you’re deflecting the point to shift the focus from the real issue. You’re bringing up irrelevant shit that happend 30 years ago. Let’s deal with the present day fact that Foley is mentally disturbed and needs to pay for what he did. He has no business in Congress (or anywhere without supervision). Do you have a problem with that? I hope not.
OK, then lets deal with the fact that there was obviously a cover up. If Dems knew of Foley’s problems and didn’t do anything to stop it, then they should pay as well. But so far, from every publicized report, it looks like Hastert’s staff knew a few years ago and instead of putting a stop to it, he covered it up to avoid political fallout. Anyone who knew of a 54 year old man making sexual advances toward a minor and did nothing to stop it should be punished for his (in)action.
Lets stick to the issue at hand please. Is the timing of this news breaking really that important to you?
October 4th, 2006 at 7:10 pmcaption contest;
Yes, It’s true I once ate Five, count em Five, Five whole cows!
October 4th, 2006 at 7:32 pmFirst of all…what like I said….unlike Foley, Studds’s actions were never covered up or condoned by the Democratic House leadership. Hastert, Boehner, Shimkus, Reynolds all had a hand in covering this up. And, rtw, two more former pages have come forward about Foley’s sexual advances. And they even ID’d the first teenager. To whatliesthe lefttells, I strongly suggest that you stop bashing Studds, and start focusing on the present crisis.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:56 pmOk, leftlies is the same guy that was paid to hijack the thread last night.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:41 pmRegardless of whether or not it was timed, HE STILL DID IT. It seems that focusing on it being timed to affect elections is just a way to avoid focusing on the fact that he’s a pervert.
October 5th, 2006 at 1:48 am[…] I don’t believe for a moment that Frum doesn’t know all this. I’m also pretty sure that he knows that the silly theories about Democrats being behind the Foley bombshells are bullshit. Frum’s not ignorant; he’s dishonest. […]
October 5th, 2006 at 3:46 am[…] The Republican attempt to blame the Foley scandal on Democrats just isn’t getting any traction. While several Republicans have claimed this is all politics, even claiming that the incriminating emails were released by Democrats for political gain, ABC has verified that the information was actually leaked by Republicans and non-partisan individuals. The Washinton Wire reports: […]
October 5th, 2006 at 2:17 pm[…] ThinkProgress has a complete debunk, including quotes from ABC showing that their sources for the Foley emails were actually Republicans, not Democrats.read more | digg story […]
October 6th, 2006 at 8:58 am[…] Page Summary: I feel sick over this, and they are blaming children. To the American people, these guys are just looking more like big, fat blowhards. Because, I was chuckling as I read it, and it would be bad for me to laugh if it were for real. Path to 9/11 was less than a month ago.read more | digg story […]
October 26th, 2006 at 11:55 pm