Powell: ‘Staying the Course Isn’t Good Enough Because a Course Has to Have an End’
Powell: ‘Staying the Course Isn’t Good Enough Because a Course Has to Have an End’
In a speech at the University of Minnesota yesterday, former Secretary of State Colin Powell blasted the Bush administration’s “stay the course” policy in Iraq:
“Only the Iraqi people can resolve this,” Powell said.
U.S. troops have to stay in Iraq for “some time,” he said. “But there is a limit to the patience of the American people.”
…In Iraq, “staying the course isn’t good enough because a course has to have an end,” Powell said.
The White House is trying to distance themselves from the phrase “stay the course.” But it aptly describes a strategy that has not changed in spite of repeated failures. Moreover, President Bush and top administration officials continue to use it. Here’s a video retrospective:
Powell’s objection to the “stay the course” strategy is grounded in the Powell doctrine, which states: “We owe it to the men and women who go in harm’s way to make sure…that their lives are not squandered for unclear purposes.”
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Why does Colin Powell hate our freedom?
October 4th, 2006 at 11:20 amThese Republican drive me insane…from war to pedophilia, they really cover the bases.
Don’t Take a Page from Foley’s Book
What are we to do? Oh, yea, vote, in droves.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:21 amI woule personally like to thank Karl Rove for coming up with the catch phrase “Stay the Course” Without it, Bush wouldn’t look so bad.
Thanks Karl!
October 4th, 2006 at 11:22 amthere’s those field grown podiums again…
October 4th, 2006 at 11:22 amSorry, that was supposed to be on a Foley related post. My mistake, too tired.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:22 amGee, Colin, wouldn’t it have been nice if you would’ve said something when it would’ve made a difference? Like before 2800 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis lost their lives for no good goddamn reason? You sold your balls for political ambition and you can’t get them back now, weasel. That blood is on your hands now and you can’t wash it off now. Once you’re Cheney’s bitch, you’re always Cheney’s bitch.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:29 amOT
“At age 15 the Clerk put the page in a cage with the Representative trained to couple with youngsters so the children would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed them through the bars and aroused the Congressman from Florida with a stick when it seemed to lose interest.” - Excerpt from Scooter Libby’s upcoming book.
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
October 4th, 2006 at 11:29 amWhat’s colin running for?
October 4th, 2006 at 11:31 amPowell is no hero… hopefully his comments tody will carry some weight because his assessment is correct, but he knew all of this two years ago when he was still toeing the line the for the Bush administration.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:32 am“Only the Iraqi people can resolve this,†Powell said.
see, i have a problem with this attitude…
October 4th, 2006 at 11:33 ami mean, anyone who comes to my house and damages any part of the property is expected to pay for those damages, whether monitarily or with physical labor…
i think the military needs to get out of there NOW, but the US needs to fix the mess that was made… and i really, REALLY hate to clean up after someone else’s mess, but i think it has to be done…
maybe that will be the only way for this country to make amends anyway…
.
Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and
October 4th, 2006 at 11:34 amover and expecting a different result. About sums up
the GOP.
How can you have ‘Mission Accomplished’ and then ‘Stay the course’?????…down goes the bush gang…..
October 4th, 2006 at 11:36 amSomebody email Colin and welcome him to the Reality Based Community.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:37 am#6
I do think you can be critical of Powell for his actions in the run-up to the war, but you have to remember his a military man and did work for this president. So him speaking out at all is a major thing.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:37 amColin Powell knows what he’s talking about better than anyone else in the Bush administration. Too bad he squandered his credibility by telling lies when it really counted. He should have taken a stronger stand 4 years ago, even if it cost him his job. Now it’s too little too late, because he’s no longer in a position to do anything. Too bad.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:38 amI think that the Bush course resembles nascar, yah really… they just drive in circles and call it a course.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:46 amColin Powell is as pointless as pillows in a coffin.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:47 amHow can you have ‘Mission Accomplished’ and then ‘Stay the course’?????…down goes the bush gang…..
Comment by wisedup
They are “Staying the Course” of “Accomplishing Missions”……gag.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:47 amYeh, we crossed the start/finish line lap#1 new course wooo!
October 4th, 2006 at 11:49 amYeh, we crossed the start/finish line lap#2 new course wooo!
Yeh, we crossed the start/finish line lap#3 new course wooo!
Yeh, we crossed the start/finish line lap#4 new course wooo!
Yeh, we crossed the start/finish line lap#XXX new course wooo!
Great picture of Bush in the video, there he is alongside the scumbag of president we have here in Colombia !!
October 4th, 2006 at 11:52 amThe Colon’s Bowell is full of it again and feels a need to dump a load on the public. Sorry, Colon. You had your chance to stop this before it happened and all you did was go along with war criminals. Nice legacy.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:53 amHow about STAY THE FAILURE!??
October 4th, 2006 at 11:56 amGreat picture on the video, Bush alongside president Uribe from Colombia, what do they have in common ?? Both are from the right, are arrogant and quite a failure.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:56 am“…a course has to have an end,†Powell said.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:56 am“…a course has to have an end,†Powell said.
Why does Colin Powell want to “cut and run?”
October 4th, 2006 at 11:57 amBadmoodman #17
The (so-called) Powell Doctrine:
use of overwhelming force to vanquish one’s enemy in the event war is necessary…
…is by far the most cogent military strategy period…
…However, its founding premise is…
…the necessity of war…
…and in Iraq “therein lies the (proverbial) rub”…
…when one does not possess sufficient cause to truly HATE (and consequently wish to inflict great harm to) one’s enemy…
…one cannot be victorious in a halfhearted conflict…
…especially on the enemy’s home turf…
…how viciously and voraciously would YOU fight for your home?
Thus, Powell is no pansy…
…but he did make a major mistake (joining the Repulsivescum Party and signing on with the demon Bushites)…
…for which he is paying dearly…
…I can’t wait for Bushiva, Cheney, and ALL the rest of their criminal, mass murdering, treasonous, war profiteering, and sheepish co-conspirators and SUPPORTERS…
…to get THEIR comeuppances…
October 4th, 2006 at 11:59 amMA,
You can add Rush Limpballs to that list right after Cindy Sheehan.
have a constipated day…noodles…
October 4th, 2006 at 12:01 pmManuel - you mean you don’t like Uribe trying to sell off some of Colombia’s state oil company?
“President Alvaro Uribe asked Congress Tuesday for permission to sell up to 20 percent of the voting shares in state-owned oil company Ecopetrol, one of Colombia’s biggest employers.”
Or is it something else you don’t like?
October 4th, 2006 at 12:09 pmI second #29’s statement. Took the words right out of my mouth… you thief.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:09 pmActually to list Murtha, Chavez and Sheehan together under one blanket strategy is false. Murtha is a memeber of Congress who has put together a workable plan for getting Iraq on its own feet and leaving. The same plan that some Repubs are now bringing out as their “own” idea. Chavez is well let’s say a fiery rehtoric speaker who has no bearing on the policies of the US. Cindy is a private citizen that is speaking what she believes should be done who also has no bearing on US policy other than her voice and vote. Sorry MA but independant thinking provides more opportunity to evolve ideas to make them work instead of the lock step mentality of the Repubs. Followers all….and it creates ahorrible situation when you have a bad leader.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:10 pmNeocons - Lets look at this in a way even Conservatives can understand - BUSHCO is not for exiting Iraq - power and money are the sticking points. War-mongering Corporatist Cheney and Saudia Arabia’s old BFF, George Bush, are for the “stay the course and make a buck†strategy. Many progressives want to “get the hell out of Dodge†NOW since only then will the impact of U.S. presence fueling some of the insurgents be decreased and only then will the Iraqi governement take control rather than leave it to the U.S.. Now so even you can understand this position, think of it like the enabling of an alcoholic or drug addict - you wouldn’t want the Iraqi’s to “avoid†the next step of “responsibility and decision making†by the U.S. wielding all the tools and power necessary to facilitate democracy or at least self-government, would you??
Have a progressive day….Noodles…..
October 4th, 2006 at 12:11 pmDear Dems are the cut and run party - Thank you for your input. It is silly of me to think in terms of right and wrong (with occasional mitigating circumstances) - But what can one expect from a generation where we allow a social movement - progressives - the moral laxity to move or REMOVE life’s goal posts. NO “winners, losers and peace treaties” - NO wonder you guys are SOOOOOO depressed. You poor little thing…..
I hope your miserable day improves…..
October 4th, 2006 at 12:14 pmI skip right by MA’s nonsense. Reading them is a total waste of time.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:14 pmOh MA you are acting like a little punk once again. Don’t put Murtha in any context close to Chavez. Murtha is a decorated Veteran that understands the struggles our soldiers go thru infinitely more than you. Your party has pushed slogan after slogan at us but without any clear plan. Show me any resemblence of a plan from 1, 2 or 3 years ago.
They never planned for any insurgency. “Dead enders” and “Last Throes” is what we were told. Your party was big on ideas and short on plans. They thought the Iraqis would lay down there arms and follow meekly along with the mighty GWB. When that didn’t happen “Stay the Course” and “We’ll stand down when they stand up” was pushed on us.
Iraqi forces are now over 300,000 strong and still no plan. That’s almost 3 times the amount we have there and still no plan. Won’t even begin on Afghanistan now. (execpt for Frist wanting the Taliban to be part of the new government. Weren’t they the ones that sheltered the mastermind behind 9/11? Guess that’s not important anymore).
Your party has now been exposed as a flop. But since you are the complainer extrodinare you’ll feel right at home being the party out of power.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:17 pm#35….you are right. Her posts are total nonsense.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:18 pmMargaret,
October 4th, 2006 at 12:21 pmI know. Shame on me….feeding the troll. Gotta put a sign on the keyboard.
Dear Neocons are the bash and dash party - Thank you for your input. It is silly of me to discuss issues with neocons in terms of right and wrong (without referring to “what’s in it for me”) - But what can one expect from a generation where voters allow a social movement - neoconservative - the moral laxity to move or REMOVE life’s goal posts in an authoritarian way in order to meet the personal agendas of its adherants. “Winning for yourself at any cost” - NO wonder you guys are SOOOOOO prone to lying, distortion, manipulation, and deception. You pathetic little things…..
I doubt your miserable tactics improve…..
October 4th, 2006 at 12:25 pm#37 Of course her posts are nonsense, but they serve a purpose in sharpening the sword against the ignorant attacks with facts. For every dumbass text the minimal aphroduddy puts out it is countered with core beliefs and facts that she can’t even begin to counter (read Coulter).
The responses offer other examples of thought about why speaking out is important.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:25 pmLet’s all help MA keep his/her job and ignore her before he/she gets in trouble by posting when he/she should be working!
See? We’re just looking out for him/her!
I’d say go for it if there was any hope of enlightenment, but I’ve read enough of his/her crappola to realize that he/she is a lost cause.
Terminally delusional. Just like our leaders.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:29 pmOn Dec. 19, 2000 - Colin Powell said that he was afraid of the “scary-looking cows” on Bush’s ranch.
Apparently, it has taken all of these years for Powell to get over his very strange “cow phobia.”
This phobia explains a lot - particularly all of that bull sh#t at the UN in 2003.
Now that he is cured, the threats of “Colin, do what we say or we shall feed your ass to the cows” don’t work on him anymore.
He is free !
Free to tell the truth !!!
Colin will probably tell the truth about a lot of things, now that he has conquered his cow phobia.
Now that Colin is back in his right mind, he can help us get to and address the other members of the Bush Admin. and their mental health issues.
You know - Delusion. Compulsive Lying.
Stuff like that.
Powell is certainly late. But better late than never at this point.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:30 pmDear Dems are the cut and run party …. NO wonder you guys are SOOOOOO depressed. You poor little thing…..I hope your miserable day improves…..
Comment by mighty+aphrodite
Hey aphrodite. Its me, your old friend Joe. Boy, fat-assed Hastert and his “toy-boy” loving pal Foley have sure put the Republican party’s ass in the street, huh? Its fun to watch fat-ass scurry around, dodging questions, and trying to use damage control to save his own tired ass while his pedophile bud hides out in some rehab unit somewhere, huh?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I guess it not us but you and the other Republican toadies are the ones depressed with recent events. I mean, far from having a miserable day, I’m enjoying the dog and pony show on FOX News and the rightwing radio yak-a-thongs as they they do their best to cover up and make excuses for a friggin’ want-a-be child molestor right in the middle of their midst.
Naw, on the contrary to having a miserable day, hon, I’m having a VERY good week!!!
Cheers!
October 4th, 2006 at 12:32 pmDear Mighty Mouth - So with the presence of so-called allied forces from Iraq, the Sunnis and Shiites will drop their weapons and submit to the “SuperPower” - and it won’t blow up??? I appreciate your ability to wrap yourself in BushCo’s “interesting†talking points. For example, your lack of notation re: anything is indicitive that the only “original†thought you contribute to the discussion is bizarre twisting of screen names and pathetic attempts at humor - and not developed independently into an relevant argument….but I’m not surprised……
Noodles…… ’til later…..
October 4th, 2006 at 12:34 pmSTOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
October 4th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI hope Mr. Powell continues to speak out. Yes his reputation is forever tarnished for being the man in front of the UN holding the vial but he is also a highly decorated veteran with enormous inside knowledge about the build up to this conflict. His voice, more than any other individual, drives nails into the coffins of this failed experiment. Remember he’s the one who said awhile ago “you break it you bought it” about Iraq. He warned this administration about the pitfalls. The party in power decided not to use the Powell Doctrine going into Iraq and the result is Civil War.
Don’t excuse him of his past fault and errors but don’t ignore his message today.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:38 pmhellinabucket - sigh, you’re right about the whole keeping-your-sword-sharp thing of course.
It’s just that MA is particularly deranged.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:42 pmOf course her posts are nonsense, but they serve a purpose in sharpening the sword against the ignorant attacks with facts. For every dumbass text the minimal aphroduddy puts out it is countered with core beliefs and facts that she can’t even begin to counter (read Coulter).
The responses offer other examples of thought about why speaking out is important.
Comment by hellinabucket
I agree. I think one of the major reasons Bush won in 2000 and 2004 is that his and his supporters statements about Gore and Kerry were not forcefully challenged. Besides, sometimes it’s just FUN to throw the trolls their garbage back at them. Have you noticed also that some trolls will comment on this Iraq war thread but are totally avoiding the threads about Foley, Hastert, and Reynolds? Boy, they must be depressed!
October 4th, 2006 at 12:42 pmDear Ms. Bucket - Please explain in a cogent sequence the Dem Plans for thwarting future terror attacks, Iraq, Iran, and punishing rich people. I look forward with bated breath to the inspired plans of your Party….Since you know so much by peering into the PAST and Future, specifics will be appreciated…..
October 4th, 2006 at 12:44 pmSoldier: The Life of Colin Powell. This book is coming out on 10/10 so it appears that he’s priming the pump. Add this to “State of Denial”, “Cobra II”, “Fiasco” and “Assains Gate” to name a few books. Put them up with Foley, DeLay, Cunningham and Frist’s FOOBAR’s and you have the making of a major collapse in just over 4 weeks.
I’m going to do my part to keep this simmering.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:44 pmTHE ADNIM WANTS TO DUMP “STAYING THE COURSE” AND LATE WORD IS THEY NOW WANT TO DESCRIBE THE MISSION AS ” THE INTER-COURSE” LOL
October 4th, 2006 at 12:45 pmSay it slowly to yourself and let it sink in:
There. Is. No. Course.
To “stay the course” is to stay off-course.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:46 pmSeems like staying the course is soldiers running around the country putting out fires while getting shot at.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:51 pmMA
October 4th, 2006 at 12:51 pmwe warned you morons that civil war would break - we are not saying
that things will be rosy if we leave. things suck now and they will
suck after - but if we follow Murthas plan - my nephew my make it
back alive. we are tired of losing our sons/daughters and going bankrupt over NOTHING!! EVERY damn thing has been wrong with this war and
still you have failth in W.
No wonder the new Republicanism is viewed as a cult.
#44 - Ohhhh, Joe Sixer, You know Dems are much more comfotable with folks from “alternative lifestyles”….. I HATE child molesters no matter what their politics or Party — but you “inclusive” Dems RE-ELECT molesters….what a sick bunch……Google Representative G. Studds (D- MA) and see what the Party of inclusion includes.
Re: Perv Foley checking into rehab and blaming the bottle - as I said on another thread, THAT comment is an insult to decent alcoholics everywhere. But since we know you’re not decent, Joe, that caveat doesn’t apply to you….
Don’t drown in your beer…
October 4th, 2006 at 12:53 pmTil later..
MA, without belaboring the point, I agree that most conservatives want to get the heck out of Iraq. I’m less sure that certain conservatives in the Bush administration really want to bring this to an end, but that’s an entirely different topic of discussion.
The real problem is that neither the Bush administration nor most conservatives in Congress seem to have any idea how to bring about an end. We’ve elected people whose greatest strength is their ability to come up with political slogans - “cut and run,” “stay the course” - but who seem to be utterly devoid of ideas, let alone the competence to implement ideas.
At least Murtha has a plan. It may not be perfect, but he’s on the right track. Bush, et al., seem to believe we can just keep killing insurgents (while our guys die, too) and, eventually, they’ll all be gone … or, miraculously, see the error of their ways. But that strategy has never worked. Take any example you want - the Israeli/Arab conflicts; the Israeli/Palestinian conflict; Northern Ireland; El Salvador; Nicaragua; South Africa - and you will find that the only way to achieve peace is for all sides to look for political, rather than military, solutions.
No one thinks that will be easy in Iraq, but the status quo is not working. I think a precipitous withdrawal of U.S. forces would be disastrous. But an exit strategy is not an all-or-nothing proposition. The U.S. could, and probably should, wind down offensive missions as quickly as possible, concentrating solely on protecting civilians and infrastructure while continuing to train Iraqi security forces. At the same time, the U.S. should announce a clear framework for withdrawal, with specific target dates for drawing down troops. We would have to leave open the option to go back in if there is any backtracking; but that doesn’t mean we can’t come up with a specific plan for a staged withdrawal - with incentives and disincentives if the situation progresses or deteriorates - so that the warring factions see a light at the end of the tunnel as far as the occupation goes.
I believe this strategy will help shift the focus from military to political aims. We know that the “jihadists”/al Qaeda types make up only a small portion of the insurgency, the bulk of which is comprised of rival political, ethnic and religious groups within Iraq. The Iraqi insurgents - that is, the non-jihadi insurgents - have political aims within Iraq generally, but they also want the U.S. out. So, they are fighting for those internal political goals AND to drive the U.S. out of Iraq, at the same time. If we relieve some pressure on the insurgency by showing that we are engaged in a good faith effort to get out (without simply abandoning the country to civil war), we will go a long way towards coaxing the warring factions to stop the fighting and negotiate to work out their internal political divisions.
All I know is that the current strategy, clever political slogans notwithstanding, is an abysmal failure.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:56 pmDear Vocal - Thank GOD you weren’t around to whine during the first year of WWII……
October 4th, 2006 at 12:56 pmRepublican Child Molestors outnumber Democrat Child Molestors 100 to 1
October 4th, 2006 at 12:56 pm#57 Good post
October 4th, 2006 at 1:01 pmDear Mighty - Thank GOD you weren’t around to whine and support the other King George during the American Revolution……
October 4th, 2006 at 1:01 pmMA
October 4th, 2006 at 1:02 pmI have skin in the game do you? My grandfather died in Normandy so you
can shove the snide remark up your heiney.
To make an elective war with no purpose other than to enrich the few -
with WWII shows the breathtaking stupidity and blind loyalty on
your part. Evil Bitch.
Please explain in a cogent sequence the Dem Plans for thwarting future terror attacks, Iraq, Iran, and punishing rich people.….. Comment by mighty+aphrodite
Its not up the party, aphrodite, to have a plan. That is Republican koolaid you are drinking, sugar.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it is up to the PRESIDENT of the United States and his ADMINISTRATION to have the plan, based on plans submitted by the Secretary of Defense, the intelligence agencies, and the brain-trust in the Pentagon which only they have direct access to.
All you repugnicuns throw up the lack of a “plan” by the democrats. You ought to afraid to, after the pathetic “stay the course” plan of the Idiot-in-Chief. I mean, do YOU know what the ” Republican plan” is? I damned sure don’t.
I thought you said you spent 13 years in the military, girl? You should have known that plans are drawn up by the MILITARY and the Secretary of Defense, not some Congressman in the back office of the Capital. BTY, give my regards to Mr. aphrodite.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:05 pmMA, First I don’t care about your bad breath issues. Now onto points. For specifics go to the DNC website, Read Murtha’s suggestions and plans to adjust in Iraq. As for Iran, keep the rhetoric to a mininum and keep our guard up.
All Americans want security and want to maintain a strong world standing. To believe anything less is showing your ignorance.
Port security. Democrats wanted 3 times the amount the Republicans got.
Border security. What coehsive plan do the Republicans have? They are more split than your personality.
Tax cuts while fighting a war? when in the history of the world has this assinine concept worked. If we are going to truly fight then let’s get the whole country to make unified sacrifices. This administration thought we could do it on the cheep and we are now over 500 billion. What did the ol’ Wolf(owitz) say? Something about oil revenues paying for this war?
You have Frist now talking about including the Taliban in any government in Afghanistan. No Democrat would entertain that thought let alone say it. This man was allowed to operate on people? George Carlin once said somewhere is the world’s worst doctor. Think we’ve found him.
Go ahead, force yourself to truly read the opposing documents and then come back.
Tooooooodles (do you actually say that to any person? that’s scarier than an instant message from Foley)
October 4th, 2006 at 1:15 pmBut since we know you’re not decent, Joe, that caveat doesn’t apply to you….Don’t drown in your beer…
Til later..
Comment by mighty+aphrodite
Thank you for worrying about me, aphrodite. BTY, I still drink that old cheap 3% that makes me piss the bed now and then. As for my “caveat,” its as big as the next guys. God, but I still like it when you talk dirty to me!!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but bringing up Studds (D-MA) from 1983 is really lame. Besides, Sean Vanity, Rush Limpdick, Bill O’Lielly, and that Steve what’s-his-name? asshole on Fox and Friends all beat you to it yesterday with their tired-assed damage control.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:18 pmI can’t stand this silly talking point about “The Democrats have no plan.” Murtha’s got a plan, Kerry’s got a plan, Al Franken’s got a plan, they’ve all got a plan.
The Republican plan was “Shock and Awe.” That plan stopped being useful over 3 years ago, but they refused to plan any further in advance. Since then, they’ve been astonished that they’re still at war, when every military mind in the country told them it was going to be harder than that.
No, sorry, it’s the Republicans that don’t have a plan. Oh, and don’t tell me the plan is to “win.” That’s not a plan.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:24 pmBush and the Republicans may be able to get away with “stay the course” this election, but it definitely won’t work again in 2008. The Republicans are being disingenous when they say they will “stay the course”; it just isn’t politically possible.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:27 pmDear DavESQ - Would that BOTH sides should seek a political solution to the war that radical Isalm declared on us!?! Unfortunately, your well thought out proposition leaves out one teeeny component - the OTHER side (i.e. known to most as “the ENEMY”) do not want a political solution. How do you propose we deal with them?
Dear Vocal - I am a veteran, my husband is a veteran, my youngest brother is active duty, and my family has served - a few have been killed - in EVERY war the US has been involved in since the Civil War. (NONE were drafted.) I’ll match your “skin in the game” any day……I appreciate your grandfathers’ sacrifice - what exactly have YOU contributed to our nations defense?
October 4th, 2006 at 1:30 pmSo, Sixer, noting the Dems defense of the pervert Studds dating back to 1983 demonstrates a CONTINUOUS moral vacuum of the Democrat Party? BTW, You might want to invest in a set of those rubber bed liners the old folks suffering from incontinence use….
October 4th, 2006 at 1:36 pmHey friends, we need to be heads up on what is happening with Iran.
Sean Gonsalves managed to get a story on Iran done, despite all the Foley noise. Go read it, because it’s probably a lot worse than you realize. There are important links to follow in the comments.
Targeting Iran
October 4th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#76: If that’s true, your ignorance is only matched by your incontinence.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:02 pmDear Y&L - Not on your life…for your info, I’m speaking Brit-English - translation: “to - da - loo†(ladies room)…..
So, MA is British? That would explain her spelling “behaviour”.
You’re familiar with the that idiom???
No, but I am familiar with this “idiot”
out the door…..
If only…and, hopefully, the it will hit her on the way.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:09 pmPLC #40
…in listing neoCONs’ subversive actions and inclinations you forgot the two MOST important:
TREASON and mass murder
October 4th, 2006 at 2:10 pmAny solution to Bushiva’s murderous invasion and occupation of Iraq…
…is going to take the cooperation of the international community…
…especially the Muslim states…
…conversely, NO other countries (outside the already discredited “coalition of the bribed”) is willing to help…
…as long as BUSHIVA and L’IL DICK are anywhere NEAR the White House…
…and I suspect that simply voting these criminals out of office won’t suffice at this point…
…I believe the international community (to wit the hardliners in Russia, China, and elsewhere) want some ACCOUNTABILITY and ‘mea culpa’…
…see (in the eyes of the world) Bushiva, L’il Dick and the REPULSIVESCUM Party should’ve been given the boot in ‘04, to show any glimmer of American sanity…
…BUT NOOOO! Puny Hermaphrodite and her hypocritical “VALUES” crew stole another election…
…looky what YOU won Mighty…er…Puny…
October 4th, 2006 at 2:22 pmI am a veteran, my husband is a veteran, my youngest brother is active duty, and my family has served ….
Comment by mighty+aphrodite
Me too, aphrodite! I was career grunt, myself. You must have been a WAC, huh? Before it was integrated? I also had ancesters in the military. Five of my ggg and ggGrandfathers fought in the Civil War on both sides. I guess that means that I should be a rightwing, rednecked, trash-talking conservative, huh?
While the progressives have their Stubbs, I just couldn’t side with the party of dicks like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, both of whom look like they squat to pee (no offense intended to you). The party of Rush Limpdick? FrankenFrist? That pasty-faced puke, Dick Cheney?
Naw. I’m just a progressive at heart. I’m one of those guys who thinks that this country is still the land of the free and home of the brave, no matter how much those ideals have been corrupted by the party in power.
Time out for a frothy brew for lunch. (I’ll be thinking of you when I’m using the mens room down there, girl).
October 4th, 2006 at 2:23 pmMA, pathetic? I don’t think you know the meaning of that word. Now back to Colin Powell. I’m really interested in your view of him MA.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:37 pm“Stay the course” was Daddy Bush’s line. Translate, “never learn, never adjust, keep lying, screw you!”
October 4th, 2006 at 2:41 pmWorld Can’t Wait
Ensler, Eve - Fire His Ass
This poem was written by Eve Ensler (08/31/2005)
Since GEORGE BUSH really got in power by corporate take over and not election. Since he has behaved like a CEO of a huge corporation called U.S.A. supporting profit in all cases over human interests, we should treat him the way they would treat him in any corporation and
FIRE HIS ASS
When you start with a major surplus and end up with a huge huge deficit they
FIRE YOUR ASS
When you fail to move a company forward, they
FIRE YOUR ASS
When you are lazy and take vacations at a time of peril, they
FIRE YOUR LAZY ASS
When you don’t prepare for terrible outcomes and then lose thousands of lives and insane amounts of money they
FIRE YOUR ASS
When you lie to your stockholders and board and then spend nearly 1.3 trillion dollars and kill hundreds of thousands of people for no reason that makes sense to anyone, they
FIRE YOUR ASS
Sometimes they even put you in prison.
When you openly practice racist policies whether they want to or not, they
FIRE YOUR ASS
When you openly break the law, order torture and get caught they
FIRE YOUR ASS
When you hire people who are ignorant and incompetent, they
FIRE YOUR ASS
When you destroy the brand of a company
and alienate potential buyers all over the world, they
FIRE YOUR ASS
We are the shareholders of the U.S.A.
Bush has bankrupted our company, our pocketbooks,
but mainly our soul.
We need to remove this president and his staff
and we need to do it now.
FIRE HIS ASS.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:42 pmDeluded!
October 4, 2006
The article “Woolsey, Thompson stand to gain if Demos take House†in the Press Democrat newspaper demonstrates that President Bush isn’t the only one suffering from extreme denial complex. The entire California Republican Party seems to in a state of I-don’t-get-it paroxysm. To cut the chase I’mBoth men don’t see any real obstacle in defeating Lynn Woolsey and Mike Thompson, especially about the war in Iraq. What shock me was that both men stress a bipartisan leadership in Congress to resolve the war. Last time a bipartisan Congress move on to deal with the war the Democrats were labeled as cowards, traitors and American haters. Since the latest NIE revelation just days ago that sentiment got even more heated, venomous. Both candidates are in sync with what the president said during his interview with Katie Couric: Why don’t you get people to sacrifice? I’ll show you sacrifice: Years of Bush’s lies, manipulated intelligence and the incompetence of the Iraq war at $8 billion a month. No apologies, no mistakes or exit plan. NSA warrantless wiretapping. The Katrina debacle. The Iraq big-fat-lie fiasco. K Street scandals. Thrashing Medicare. Wrecking the environment. Foley’s folly. Need I continue? referring to Republican challengers Todd Hooper and John W. Jones.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:45 pmPLC #40 …in listing neoCONs’ subversive actions and inclinations you forgot the two MOST important: TREASON and mass murder
Comment by big+papa —
I have no evidence that Mighty Aphrodite has engaged in treason (I don’t even think she’s American) or mass murder (unless you count her own brain cells). :-D
October 4th, 2006 at 2:55 pmDear Joe - You must think I’m old enough to have nursed your wounded relatives at Bull Run….Sorry - I left the military as a Lt. Cmdr - and after it was integrated. Who knew?? Mr. Aphrodite was a Marine Officer. My Civil War relatives enlisted and fought for the Union. My grandfather and three of his brothers flew bombers in the Army Air Corps, served in the Marines and one in the Navy. Younger Uncles served in Korea My dad and several of his cousins served in Viet Nam. One brother served in the first Gulf War and the “Baby Bother” is still in.
The fact you’re a prog says great things about this country - we don’t kill those who disagree with us - besides - you’re too much fun to make fun of… One difference I’ve noticed about military people who become progs - many of them seem to think the country OWES them something. I think too many progs take military sacrifices for granted. Personally, I think we owe it to our country to defend her. I always knew JFK had a few conservative points to his personna….
“Time out for a frothy brew for lunch. (I’ll be thinking of you when I’m using the mens room down there, girl).” - Joe- “BElch” Sixer
Mr. Aphrodite had a thought for you - slow down on the beer, belly doesn’t get so distended, shorter time in the men’s room - cause your “equipment search” doesn’t take so much time…..huh??? Must be a man thing…..
Gone again…..
October 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pmColin Powell was once in a position to do something about Iraq and he did nothing other than provide cover for the emerging disaster. Accordingly, I cut no slack to Powell for saying today what he should have been saying years ago. The basic framework is no different today than it was back then. Sorry, Colin, go back into your cave. You lost all of your credibility when you addressed the UN and told them and the American people things that you did not believe even then.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pmOff NBC wire…
“Nearly five years after the U.S. military drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan, total victory appears as distant and remote as the long-embattled nation itself.
In fact, after several years of relative calm, the Taliban and al-Qaida have staged a dramatic comeback, adopting the insurgent tactics that have been perfected with deadly efficiency in Iraq. More than 70 suicide bombings have killed scores of Afghan civilians this year, a 400 percent jump over 2005. Roadside bombs have more than doubled.
NATO military officials claim at least 40 percent of the attacks are launched from Taliban camps across the border in Pakistan, where both the Taliban and al-Qaida live, train and operate with apparent impunity.”
Why do republicans protect AlQaeda?
October 4th, 2006 at 2:59 pm#92. Your outrage at Powell is justified but he has the insider view and is speaking out. It is better late than never. I also believe he should have spoken up years ago. So he won’t be the pillar of morality on Iraq, he has intimate knowledge of the mindest this administration has and his voice will still be taken seriously by the media.
Look at it as a multi pronged attack. You have a do nothing congress that will be pushed upto Nov 7th.
You have the sexual exploits of the imMoral majority.
And you have a growing list of former military loudly speaking out about the total lack of planning with Iraq.
I say let’s cork screw these bastards into the ground. They’ll be twisting in the wind and won’t know what to do.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#91. The Army must be proud of you. thank you and your husband for your service.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:11 pmIts sad how everyone is playing the blame game. The republicans or democrats… etc
Voicing opinions pretending it makes a difference to shout about. The only difference will be in your actions. So go ahead continue to call each other names and belittle each other. I am proud of your use of american free speech…
I mean seriously, wake up.
Ignore the news and pokes designed to get you to react but not think and just live life. We have gone beyond just fear mongering at this point. Stop reacting to each other as if everyone on the opposite side of the political fence was a terrorist. Act and vote for what you feel is right, stand up against hate, help those on the ground with a helping hand. Live.
Whats so hard about that?
Wait because we are too afraid to do anything because of terrorism… becuase we are too busy pointing figures and in shock over the lies of everything being shown in the media…
Stop being victims and live .
I mean find your Personal Tao and peacefully live life…
And if I sound new age or peace dreamy.. heck, i am just tired of the lies, and I am going to live by the truth of my own actions from now on. I dare anyone to do the same for a change of pace.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:31 pmReply to #30 - Among the many things done bad by Uribe:
http://www.nationalledger.com/ artman/ publish/ article_27268681.shtml
senior [Uribe’s goverment] officers are reportedly still obstructing the trial of the Army’s massacre May 22 of U.S.-trained drug enforcement police.
But the GOP ignores (of coruse, that was expected), but why do the Dems also ignore it ??
October 4th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#92 Amen!!!
October 4th, 2006 at 3:43 pm[…] This is all important because Mr. Carter believes, like your president, that we need to stay the course. When we should have a more realistic approach like this: The United States and allies can not resolve the current sectarian violence in Iraq, former Secretary of State Colin Powell said today during a lecture in Minneapolis. […]
October 4th, 2006 at 3:56 pmPowell’s a smart man, and I’d support him for president.
No wonder Bush got rid of him, he was raising the IQ of the room!
October 4th, 2006 at 4:08 pm“The Powell Doctrine” - wasn’t that “arm terrorists any way that you can?”
Or was it “all military massacres of civilan populations must be covered up?”
Perhaps now it’s “a finger in the wind leads to the presidency?”
October 4th, 2006 at 4:31 pmProgs - Lets look at this in a way even Progressives can understand - EVERYONE is for exiting Iraq - Might Maphrodite Selene the sexless godless of the lune, the luna, howl at the moon you rabid beast!
Aphrodite is now even claiming to wanting an exit, FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP..Bwahahhaaa. The organized school of slimey fish has turned midstream. What a bunch of callous fakes,
October 4th, 2006 at 4:54 pmmighty aphrodite is more like a crazed protein wisdom kinda hermaneutic paste eater. A mouth breathing failed brain-eater
October 4th, 2006 at 4:57 pm101. The Powell Doctrine:
The questions posed by the Powell Doctrine, which should be answered affirmatively before military action, are:
Is a vital national security interest threatened?
October 4th, 2006 at 4:58 pmDo we have a clear attainable objective?
Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
Is the action supported by the American people?
Do we have genuine broad international support?
The fifth point of the Doctrine is normally interpreted to mean that the U.S. should not get involved in peacekeeping or nation-building exercises. Powell expanded upon the Doctrine, asserting that when a nation is engaging in war, every resource and tool should be used to achieve overwhelming force against the enemy, minimizing American casualties and ending the conflict quickly by forcing the weaker force to capitulate. This is well in line with Western military strategy dating at least from Carl von Clausewitz’s On War. However, in the context of the Just War theory, the doctrine of overwhelming force may violate the principle of proportionality.
104. wow. good one.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:05 pmManuel - why do Dems ignore what’s going on in Colombia? Good question. I think they have their hands full at the moment but that’s no excuse.
This country’s standing in Central and South America seems to be in serious trouble in general.
I see Paraguay doesn’t want to “co-operate” any more. Seems to be a trend.
Maybe they Dems just don’t know what to do about it all. The U.S. seems to have a habit of training security forces who then turn on them….
October 4th, 2006 at 5:08 pmWhat’s missing from the video is a sound bite at the very end ofthem claiming that “Stay the Course” was never their policy.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:30 pmMighty A (re: No. 68): This is precisely where you and I differ. I don’t think you can generalize about all elements of the insurgency. Those who “declared war†on 9/11 (and by the way, for what it’s worth, I agree with that characterization) were radical jihadists who are not interested in any sort of political solution. But radical jihadists comprise only a very small portion of the Iraqi insurgency. The State Department says al Qaeda in Iraq has “more than 1,000†fighters in country – but, let’s face it, that’s a very small number compared to the overall insurgency.
The vast majority of insurgents in Iraq belong to Sunni (including former Baathists) and Shiite militias, and they are fighting for political goals – that is, to have a greater influence in the government as it evolves. Of course, there are Kurdish nationalists, too, but they are not really involved in the insurgency at this point (though they can’t be ignored, either). Anyway, the Sunni/Baathist and Shiite groups likely can be reasoned with. If you look at Northern Ireland (the IRA/Sinn Fein; the unionist militias) or even the PLO – all of whom used the same tactics and had allegedly religious motivations, like the Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq today – because their goals ultimately were political, they ultimately were willing to sit down at the negotiating table and hammer out agreements. Neither situation is perfect, of course, but in each case substantial progress was made because they parties agreed to negotiate a political settlement.
It may be more difficult in Iraq, but I see little reason to believe it cannot work there if it worked in other similar situations.
Also, I think your comments reflect a larger problem with our view of Islam and the various militant factions in the Middle East and among Muslims generally. Undoubtedly, there are militant groups like al Qaeda that are wholly committed to jihad and whose goals are not subject to rational negotiation. By the same token, there are many groups in the Middle East or South East Asia that happen to be Muslim, but are fighting for essentially political goals. The fact that Islam may be a unifying force for those groups, or that Islamic doctrine affects the way in which they view the political struggle, doesn’t necessarily mean they are fighting a “holy war†or that they are looking to wipe out other religions or ethnic groups.
Also, the fact that a particular group uses the rhetoric of jihad isn’t and shouldn’t be controlling. Obviously, some militant leaders use radical Islam to motivate the troops, so to speak; but that’s not altogether different from the way western countries have used Christianity as a rallying cry. We need to look behind the rhetoric to determine what these groups are fighting for and why. If they are totally committed to a radical jihadi agenda, then they probably won’t negotiate. But, if their goals are political, there will always be a basis to talk. After all, we negotiated with the Soviet Union for decades, and the Cold War ended without a shot being fired. It would be highly unrealistic to think that there is no way to negotiate with every militant group out there that just happens to be Muslim.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:33 pmWhat? Are you telling me that we have to stop funneling money from the Treasury into our bank accounts? Never!
October 4th, 2006 at 7:03 pmToo Little, Too LATE, Colin by about 2,933 US Dead, and tens of thousands of Women and Children in Iraq.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:46 pmIs that all you’ve got MA? Yeah, I thought so. Always the ineffectual little troll.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:32 pm#110 Is that a joke, Jake? From treasury to bank account. That only happens for the rich under this administration.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:33 pmBush is a coward, who can’t do anything but repeat himself. Say the course? His talking points are smaller than his vocab.
Hastert is a fool to think that he can keep lieing about his foreknowldge of Foley. Specially when it come out that not only did he know. But Attorneys General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales knew back in 2001 and sat on it fo r 4 years. The tactics are to delay, delay… Untill after the election.
I say, call everyone back to Washington D.C and and get the people who knew first to say on the floor who they told when they told them. Grand Jurry should bring the pages for the past five years back to ask who they were telling in the dorms and their adult supervisors about Foley.
From Wayne Madson
WMR has learned from informed sources in the Justice Department that the salacious e-mails from Rep. Mark Foley were leaked to ABC News by career Justice Department prosecutors and FBI agents who are incensed that Attorneys General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales covered up the House page scandal for political reasons.
The back story of Pagegate is that there was a criminal conspiracy by the top political leadership of the Justice Department to cover up the predatory activities of Foley and other GOP members of Congress since at least 2003 and, likely, as early as 2001.
All you trolls out there, when are you goin gto undersatnd that it is’nt about winning and losing it’s about right and wrong. You can’t keep wraping yourselves if the flag and deffend these treasonist bastards.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:46 pmI don’t understand why Colin Powell would choose to parrot the talking points of Michael Moore and the liberal wing of the Democratic party.
Ahh, got to love the Neo-con fascist propaganda machine. I think the Democratic party should make public calls to Powell to speak the truth about this war and come clean.
To Colin: You have been a loyal soldier who has fought for his country. You showed the utmost professionalism and service for many, many years. It’s time to perform one last service for your country. If you are a true patriot as you claim to be, you must do this…and history will be kind to you, rather than scornful. TELL THE TRUTH. NOW.
FYI, I heard Ken Mehlman (RNC spokesman and complete tool) on Meet the Press 3 weeks ago float the new war strategy: “Our strategy is not ’stay the course’, but rather “Adapt and Win”. He then went on to frame it like this:
Republicans: Party of “Adapt and Win”
Democrats: Party of “Cut and Run”
Pathetic.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:51 pmPowell made his bones covering the Mi lai massacre for over a year. He can’t come clean without bring down the whole military industrial complex that hasbeen raping America since 1945!
October 4th, 2006 at 9:57 pmto defend Gen. Powell and his not speaking up according to some, he wasn’t in charge of the military for one and he is a highly decorated soldier that follows orders like 99.9% of them would in the public eye. if any of the armchair QB’s had any clue to what goes on behind closed doors i think you might find a different version of the story, that’s where they speak out, not in public DA. he waited till the time was correct, the man is a military genius and was against this war the whole time, he did what a man that rises to his position and rank would and should do by doing his job to the fullest. wait and see i would bet that he will be one of the crucial players in getting our soldiers butts out of danger and cooling the flames with the rest of the world. it’s foolish to give a man like that the FOX news attitude and mentality. think beyond the headlines…..
October 4th, 2006 at 10:32 pmMA,
Dude, we aren’t leaving Iraq unless we are forced to and leaving is not part of the Republican plan. If you knew anything about geo-politics and resource distribution in the world, you wouldn’t peddle such moronic crap.
It’s never a good idea to side with fascist traitors. Here’s something to think about. The notion that you actually have the nerve to express an opinion after being proven wrong so many times about this subject is hilarious.
Well, it would be hilarious, except that you and your camp are guilty of aiding and abetting the following:
-The murder of 120, 000 Iraqis
-The murder of 2,900 American personnel
-The maiming of over 20,000 American personnel (arms blown off, eyes blown out, minds forever damaged)
-$$$$Billions of hijacked tax money
-The false imprisonment and torture of hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people in Iraq and around the world.
-The loss of habeus corpus and protections of free speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of the press.
-Destruction of our standing and status in the world.
-Deliberately and constantly terrifying the American people with unsubstantiated external threats to manipulate elections.
-Oh yeah, almost forgot: Your camp helped put Saddam in power in the first place. I won’t even mention how many people you helped him murder or torture over 25 years of solid Republican support for Saddam. Oh and then there’s your former buddy and CIA guerrilla fghter: Osama Bin Laden.
So MA and other right-wing traitors: How does it feel to be a torturer, a murderer, and liar?
Feel like an asshole yet?
You will when your boy Bush is impeached next year.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:36 pm#117 Sorry, the UN speech was all him. He knew it was BS but he still did it.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:38 pmToo little, far, far too late. We pleaded with Colin Powell to resign after his lies to the UN…but BEFORE the 2004 election. Had he cared about the nation, Colin Powell would have brought down the Bush administration with a resignation. But no, he stayed to support the warmongers as a loyal soldier obedient at any cost.
Keep our open letter to Colin Powell as a relic of what might have been, and of the lives that might have been saved…and of the nation that might have changed the course that has led to such devastation.
Just don’t give Powell the legacy he seeks now…the image of a man who gave a damn about the consequences of his actions.
PLEASE MR. POWELL
October 5th, 2006 at 12:06 amHey Badger Boy - what dictionary are you using for your definition of insanity? I looked it up and it doesn’t jive with what you said.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:20 amYou have a lot of blood on your hands for spreading all the lies ofor the Cheney administration.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:51 am#95 - “The Army must be proud of you. thank you and your husband for your service.” - Comment by hellinabucket
*******You’re welcome. However, I don’t think the Army would be proud of me, as I served in the Navy and my husband was a Marine. But you are welcome nonetheless….
Good night…..
October 5th, 2006 at 1:55 amWhat good does it do to stay the course when you don’t know what road you’re on? Is he hoping there’s a gas station up ahead somewhere where he can stop and ask for directions?
October 5th, 2006 at 4:07 amI’ve got a map if they need one.
*Affordable health care for all Americans
*Improvements in education
*Fair markets– not forced to compete with 2 cent an hour workers to survive
*Decent wages for a day’s work… wages that provide for a family to survive.
*Get out of Iraq. Why are we there again? I thought it was to find WMD, then after the “oops, no WMD,” we were suddenly there to fight terrorists.
*Get off the moon and Mars, fix Hubble and its successors, send robots to explore space instead. Why do we need people in space? There must be Martian evil-doers who need undoin’.
*Stop using fear tactics for your political gains– leave that to the terrorists.
*A president who has had to live on his own money, not daddy’s
*Anyone who has access to a button that can destroy all life as we know it must be able to pronounce the word ‘nuclear.’
*Corporate CEO’s shouldn’t be making hundreds of millions of dollars while the lowest paid worker at a company is having his shoes re-soled, picking through the McDumpster for an unhappy meal, and chosing whether to pay the doctor or the landlord.
*Get homeless people a home, pantsless people some pants, foodless people some food, and let’s get through this life thing together for once.
*I want candidates who are intelligent, who talk about real issues instead of bashing each other non-stop with attack ads, and mean sound bites on the news.
*Ban pay raises for congress unless we the people get to vote on it. Why is it the only thing they ever seem to accomplish is giving themselves a pay raise every damn year?
Too much to ask? probably.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:10 amI feel a little sorry for Colin Powell. I truly believe he is basically a decent man, who was hoodwinked and lied to by the Bush Clan. They knew he had credibility and was a popular figure with the public, so they set him up to be one to deliver the, now patently false claim, that Saddam was a threat with WMD’s. Colin Powell was the fall guy, but I also think he was coerced and lied too. I believe when he stood up in front of the UN with the pictures of the mobile weapon labs or whatever they were, that he had been convinced it was the truth. At the end of the day, it cost him his reputation. He wouldnt have sold that out if he hadnt believed what he was saying to be the truth at the time.
October 5th, 2006 at 6:36 amIt is great to see so many people commenting but simetimes it is very hard to grasp the babbling. The question is not really right or wrong, the question is that this administration has to admit that it made a mistake that needs to be corrected to the best face saving situation possible. It si clearly becoming a vivious cycle par excellence. Only using force obviously was disasterous in Lebanon. One has to find ways to think wisely and try to find ways to reconcile the huge differences between these camps. It is proven that human beings all have reason in their brains and it really depends on who is using the 3 pound machine on our shoulders properly.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:30 amOh, blah, blah, STUDDS STUDDS STUDDS. Has every one of these dittoheads forgotten CRANE CRANE CRANE CRANE, the Republican Congressman from Illinois whose 1982 affair with a 16-year-old page prompted the 1983 inquiry? Studds’s 1974 affair with a 17-year-old page was dredged up in the interests of “bipartisanship” (i.e., not making the Republicans walk the plank alone).
SO, MA, does the continuing Republican defense and whitewashing of the PERVERT AND ADULTERER Crane betray the moral bankruptcy and corruption of the Republican Party, or just the plain stupidity of the Zombie Army of the Talking Points?
October 5th, 2006 at 11:32 amIf I recall correctly, it was Schwarzkopf who was with the troops in the field, when Powell was with the President in Washington, DC. So, who was the real general, and who was the political one? Precisely! Give me a Schwarzkopf any time, just like I also like a Patton better than an Eisenhower. It’s one thing to second guess t the home front, it’s quite another one to accomplish a mission in the field. Back up our troops with the best means to accomplish the mision, which is to estblish a peacful democracy in Iraq! Whatever it takes, since pulling out there now is no longer an option, now that Iran is hellbent on starting Armagedon, when Iraq is emptied out……
October 5th, 2006 at 11:34 amWhere’s the intelligent discussion and debate of ideas? It seems that virtually every Netscape forum post consists almost entirely of name calling (along with a lot of misinformation / distortion of facts to “back up” the name calling). It’s really sad to see accusations without substance, especially when you appear to be doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:34 amI was a Republican, but it is now clear to me that the Republicans think Americans are very stupid. We have been deceived and treated like pawns, to the benefit of just a few.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:47 pm“They that speak the truth need no names or faces
They that hear the truth need no names or faces
They that try to judge the holder and giver of truth
Shall remain lost in lies” (me)
reverb:
It matters not if a whore yells fire IF the event occurs…if you are going to discount the messenger (EVEN THOUGH THEY SPEAK TRUTH) then you shall be left to wether the storm and perish in lies.
“The illusions fulfillment is not that we believe that which we see and hear but that we see and hear that which we have been taught to believe”
Why is no one talking about the bill that passed authorizing STRIP SEARCHES of students (minors) in schools that receive federal funding (I.E. public school)
Was this Foley’s last stand bill HR 5295?
WHAT CONSTITUTION?
October 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pmBOY OH BOY; DID ANY OF U COLIN POWELL BASHERS EVER THINK ABOUT WHY MR POWELL LEFT IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE IRAQ CONFLICT. HE NEVER THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE NOT INVADED IRAQ AND SUBSEQUENTLY RESIGNED HIS POST BECAUSE OF THAT AND A FEW OTHER BAD DECISIONS THAT BUSH AND CHENEY HAVE MADE; GEESH; KILL DA MESSENGER!!!!
October 5th, 2006 at 2:22 pmWhat liberals seem not to comprehend and conservatives to admit is that Iraq is the mother of all quagmires.
If we leave there’s a very real chance that, despite it’s disruptive presence, the U.S. military is the linchpin holding the unstable
center of the Middle East together now.
In short, though the U.S. should never have gone into Iraq, it can’t leave now because it’s very likely the only stabilizing force there now.
This thesis can easily be tested by a temporary withdrawal to a few remote bases in Iraq to see what really happens.
The most important “withdrawal” which should be on America’s agenda now is to withdraw the reins of power from the cabal which authored the Iraqi quagmire and which seeks to extend it into Iran.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:05 pmMaybe it’s time to produce and air this 30-second anti-war ad:
October 6th, 2006 at 5:56 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3A91svNB8c
Americans. Your country and goverment has been stolen. Now they are stealing your freedom, under the pretext of ’security’.
“Security” is a dirty word! - Blackadder the 4th
It’s pretty dang obvious even from here in Sweden. Funny thing is though the same thing is happening in Europe.
Best of luck to you all.
October 6th, 2006 at 6:49 amSadam kill innocent Iraqis for his power.
Death squads kill innocent Iraqis for their religion
Our troops there to kill innocent Iraqis for FREEDOM.
What different?
October 7th, 2006 at 3:14 amI think FREEDOM seems American religion. And we ready to kill ppl for this. So it is sick when someone tell me our troops fight for Iraqis Freedom. Yeah we fight to force them accept the FREEDOM. Who Iraqis welcome new FREEDOM RELIGION? some come into the new Order. How about innocent victims of our FREEDOM RELIGION? Is it just a tragic loss? Or we are GOD to judge who should die for our FREEDOM RELIGION?
No no stop the crazy HOLY FREEDOM WAR. Those ppl should find their way to Freedom. Their Freedom might different with our FREEDOM, but it is A TRUE FREEDOM because they FREE to choice their FREEDOM.
Insanity: a seeming inability to learn from ones mistakes. Fits the Bush Bunch pretty well, don’t you think???
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