Comments on: MSNBC: Pelosi Blocks Hastert From Naming Freeh To Overhaul Page Board http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:18:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Aggitated inflorida http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-2/#comment-980320 Aggitated inflorida Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:59:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-980320 I just find it extremely aggitating that everyone wants to point the finger at Foley who was wrong in what he did with the page, but right in resigning- this does not mean that I advocate what he did at all. But in the same respect what about Studds (who is a Democrat) who received 3 standing ovations after HAVING sex with an underage male page and did not resign, but your fav Pelosi actually tried to have him head quite a few commitees. I realize that the liberals and the democrats loved Bill Clinton while he "did not have sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky, and btw while he was getting himself polished I had soldiers on food stamps and welfare because of his great 1% pay raise for the Military each year while he was in office. Maybe if we all huddle and sing kum-ba-ya around a campfire and hold hands world peace will be evolved. Pull the blinders off, we have not been well liked around the globe for quite some time so to think that it is SOLELY Bush'd fault is blantently retarded. To think it is just the Republicans fault is also retarded, do I think Cliton should have been impeached over his affair...no....but the question that you should be asking yourself is was it morally right, just like Foley was it morally right, or Studds was it morally right. Get out of the grey area, the is a FINE line between right and wrong, no grey area and for any party to capitalize on the back of a 16 year old pages life that will now be ruined because of what Foley did, oh yea, MORALLY WRONG. How would you feel if your child was put in that position, would you want him blasted on the Washington Compost ooops Post. I wouldn't. I just find it extremely aggitating that everyone wants to point the finger at Foley who was wrong in what he did with the page, but right in resigning- this does not mean that I advocate what he did at all. But in the same respect what about Studds (who is a Democrat) who received 3 standing ovations after HAVING sex with an underage male page and did not resign, but your fav Pelosi actually tried to have him head quite a few commitees. I realize that the liberals and the democrats loved Bill Clinton while he “did not have sexual relations” with Monica Lewinsky, and btw while he was getting himself polished I had soldiers on food stamps and welfare because of his great 1% pay raise for the Military each year while he was in office.

Maybe if we all huddle and sing kum-ba-ya around a campfire and hold hands world peace will be evolved. Pull the blinders off, we have not been well liked around the globe for quite some time so to think that it is SOLELY Bush’d fault is blantently retarded. To think it is just the Republicans fault is also retarded, do I think Cliton should have been impeached over his affair…no….but the question that you should be asking yourself is was it morally right, just like Foley was it morally right, or Studds was it morally right. Get out of the grey area, the is a FINE line between right and wrong, no grey area and for any party to capitalize on the back of a 16 year old pages life that will now be ruined because of what Foley did, oh yea, MORALLY WRONG.
How would you feel if your child was put in that position, would you want him blasted on the Washington Compost ooops Post. I wouldn’t.

]]> By: Dave von Ebers http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-2/#comment-954681 Dave von Ebers Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:46:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-954681 Citizen Dad (re: No. 51) – I’m not sure that Weaver could avoid the “terrorist” appellation under today’s “rules.” As you say, he was a separatist – and, a member of an organization that advocated using violence to “separate” from the U.S. and create a white “homeland.” The FBI alleges that Weaver and others were frustrated with the lack of action by the Aryan Nations and talked about forming a splinter group. The FBI also alleges that Weaver invited the under cover agent – who was, as I said above, posing as an arms dealer – to meet with him and others who were planning this splinter group, including a guy from Montana who’d previously been convicted on an explosives charge. And, again, the FBI informant claims that Weaver, who was broke and desperate for money, sold the informant one or two sawed-off shotguns (believing the informant to be an arms dealer, and having invited the supposed arms dealer to join the splinter group with the Montana convicted felon/explosives guy), telling the informant that he, Weaver, could supply four to five illegal guns per week. If this guy were a Muslim in today’s American, and he belonged to a “separatist” organization, was expressing frustration with the group’s inaction and was planning to start a more radical group with another Muslim who had been convicted on an explosives charge, and had sold illegal guns to an FBI informant with the promise of supplying several more on a weekly basis – there can be no serious doubt that the government would consider him to be a terrorist and he’d be wearing those orange pajamas down at Gitmo. That’s all I’m saying … Citizen Dad (re: No. 51) – I’m not sure that Weaver could avoid the “terrorist” appellation under today’s “rules.” As you say, he was a separatist – and, a member of an organization that advocated using violence to “separate” from the U.S. and create a white “homeland.” The FBI alleges that Weaver and others were frustrated with the lack of action by the Aryan Nations and talked about forming a splinter group. The FBI also alleges that Weaver invited the under cover agent – who was, as I said above, posing as an arms dealer – to meet with him and others who were planning this splinter group, including a guy from Montana who’d previously been convicted on an explosives charge. And, again, the FBI informant claims that Weaver, who was broke and desperate for money, sold the informant one or two sawed-off shotguns (believing the informant to be an arms dealer, and having invited the supposed arms dealer to join the splinter group with the Montana convicted felon/explosives guy), telling the informant that he, Weaver, could supply four to five illegal guns per week.

If this guy were a Muslim in today’s American, and he belonged to a “separatist” organization, was expressing frustration with the group’s inaction and was planning to start a more radical group with another Muslim who had been convicted on an explosives charge, and had sold illegal guns to an FBI informant with the promise of supplying several more on a weekly basis – there can be no serious doubt that the government would consider him to be a terrorist and he’d be wearing those orange pajamas down at Gitmo.

That’s all I’m saying …

]]> By: Iben Hakenluggis http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-2/#comment-950645 Iben Hakenluggis Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:39:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-950645 Like the bumper sticker says. . . . NANCY PELOSI...Bad for California, BAD for AMERICA! Like the bumper sticker says. . . . NANCY PELOSI…Bad for California, BAD for AMERICA!

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-2/#comment-949955 Zooey Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:31:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949955 <em>BTW, it has never been conclusively determined who fired the first shot, but Weaver later was acquitted of all charges except the FTA. Comment by Citizen+Dad </em> If Weaver hadn't been a giant asshole, his wife would be alive today. The FBI fired first, and killed Weaver's wife, while trying to hit him. It was totally wrong. Weaver had the opportunity to surrender himself at the courthouse, but he decided he'd rather be an Idaho idiot, and it cost him big time. All over a stupid bench warrant for an FTA. He could have bonded out the same day. Weaver has never taken responsibility for his part in that massive clusterf*ck. BTW, it has never been conclusively determined who fired the first shot, but Weaver later was acquitted of all charges except the FTA.
Comment by Citizen+Dad

If Weaver hadn’t been a giant asshole, his wife would be alive today. The FBI fired first, and killed Weaver’s wife, while trying to hit him. It was totally wrong.

Weaver had the opportunity to surrender himself at the courthouse, but he decided he’d rather be an Idaho idiot, and it cost him big time. All over a stupid bench warrant for an FTA. He could have bonded out the same day.

Weaver has never taken responsibility for his part in that massive clusterf*ck.

]]> By: obsolete http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-2/#comment-949899 obsolete Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:19:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949899 #51- Also, you complain about Elian Gonzalez being sent back to his country, but don't you repubs want to build a 10,000 foot tall wall to keep out all the Hispanic illegal immigrants like him? #51-
Also, you complain about Elian Gonzalez being sent back to his country, but don’t you repubs want to build a 10,000 foot tall wall to keep out all the Hispanic illegal immigrants like him?

]]> By: obsolete http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-2/#comment-949868 obsolete Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:11:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949868 #51 How can you blame Janet Reno for Ruby Ridge when George H.W. Bush was president then? Did she use a time machine? Quit listening to liars like Rush. #51
How can you blame Janet Reno for Ruby Ridge when George H.W. Bush was president then? Did she use a time machine?

Quit listening to liars like Rush.

]]> By: Citizen+Dad http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949585 Citizen+Dad Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:26:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949585 <em>First, whatever happened to Louis Freeh being the bad guy in the whole sordid Ruby Ridge affair?</em> Actually, this Republican blames Janet Reno for that one. And for Waco. And for Elian Gonzalez. And for the "Gorelick Wall." And the list goes on and on and on. Reno was this nation's worst attorney general - ever. <em>And, do you Republicans feel any different now about Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge after 9/11 and the endless “war on terror”?</em> I feel differently about all terrorist threats since 9/11 - unlike most Democrats. But I also hasten to point out that Weaver was merely a separtist, not a terrorist. The only crimes he had been charged with before Ruby Ridge were a nonviolent weapons charge (illegal shotgun) and a failure to appear at the hearing on that charge. It was during the attempted service of a bench warrant that the Ruby Ridge shootout occurred. BTW, it has never been conclusively determined who fired the first shot, but Weaver later was acquitted of all charges except the FTA. First, whatever happened to Louis Freeh being the bad guy in the whole sordid Ruby Ridge affair?

Actually, this Republican blames Janet Reno for that one. And for Waco. And for Elian Gonzalez. And for the “Gorelick Wall.” And the list goes on and on and on. Reno was this nation’s worst attorney general – ever.

And, do you Republicans feel any different now about Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge after 9/11 and the endless “war on terror”?

I feel differently about all terrorist threats since 9/11 – unlike most Democrats. But I also hasten to point out that Weaver was merely a separtist, not a terrorist. The only crimes he had been charged with before Ruby Ridge were a nonviolent weapons charge (illegal shotgun) and a failure to appear at the hearing on that charge. It was during the attempted service of a bench warrant that the Ruby Ridge shootout occurred.

BTW, it has never been conclusively determined who fired the first shot, but Weaver later was acquitted of all charges except the FTA.

]]> By: fred http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949452 fred Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949452 oh god. you people are amazing. reality never creeps in. uh, folks, she doesnt want it to be investigated or overhauled. see? capice? she wants the issue. she doesnt give a damn about "the safety of the children". this is a political game to her. they never gave a damn about ethics or the kids when studds did it. they dont give a damn about the 100k cold hard in willys freezer. they dont give a damn about perjury. they didnt give a damn when barnie the F ran a hoe service out of his towner. they didnt give a damn about mel reynolds and his catholic school girls. come on people, think. i know the problem is you are all too young and have no idea what i am talking about; thats cool. you'll grow up some day. and all this posturing by those dopes (the dems) will be amusing to you; because based on history, DOCUMENTED real history, reality, not the fantasy world, it can NOT be anything other than play acting. hysterical really. oh and when its all over....it'll be kinda like ...uh....merry fitzmas. peace out! oh god. you people are amazing. reality never creeps in. uh, folks, she doesnt want it to be investigated or overhauled. see? capice? she wants the issue. she doesnt give a damn about “the safety of the children”. this is a political game to her. they never gave a damn about ethics or the kids when studds did it. they dont give a damn about the 100k cold hard in willys freezer. they dont give a damn about perjury. they didnt give a damn when barnie the F ran a hoe service out of his towner. they didnt give a damn about mel reynolds and his catholic school girls. come on people, think. i know the problem is you are all too young and have no idea what i am talking about; thats cool. you’ll grow up some day. and all this posturing by those dopes (the dems) will be amusing to you; because based on history, DOCUMENTED real history, reality, not the fantasy world, it can NOT be anything other than play acting. hysterical really.

oh and when its all over….it’ll be kinda like …uh….merry fitzmas. peace out!

]]> By: Make Them Accountable / Pagegate http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949395 Make Them Accountable / Pagegate Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:52:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949395 [...] WORST IDEA EVER! Roll Call FREEH WILL LEAD PAGE PROBE: Sources said Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) will announce today that former FBI Director Louis Freeh will oversee an investigation of the House page program, which has been rocked in recent days by the scandal surrounding resigned Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.). Hastert is expected to hold a news conference in Illinois this afternoon. CNN said that Nancy Pelosi objected, so Hastert didn’t announce this in his press conference.  According to Think Progress, MSNBC also reported that Pelosi blocked the Freeh appointment. [...] [...] WORST IDEA EVER! Roll Call FREEH WILL LEAD PAGE PROBE: Sources said Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) will announce today that former FBI Director Louis Freeh will oversee an investigation of the House page program, which has been rocked in recent days by the scandal surrounding resigned Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.). Hastert is expected to hold a news conference in Illinois this afternoon. CNN said that Nancy Pelosi objected, so Hastert didn’t announce this in his press conference.  According to Think Progress, MSNBC also reported that Pelosi blocked the Freeh appointment. [...]

]]> By: Armando+Gomez http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949327 Armando+Gomez Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:37:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949327 <strong><em>"We are often to blame in this-- 'Tis too much proved that with devotion's visage and pious actions we do sugar o'er the devil himself"</em></strong> Passage from the film, <strong>"V for Vendetta."</strong> “We are often to blame in this–
‘Tis too much proved that with devotion’s visage and pious actions we do sugar o’er the devil himself”

Passage from the film, “V for Vendetta.”

]]> By: Joe Sixpack http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949289 Joe Sixpack Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:30:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949289 You gotta be shittin' me! Minority Leader Pelosi? Nancy Pelosi, the nice, sweet democrat from California? Well good for her! Maybe she learned something last week when she watched Bill Clinton bitch-slap the crap out of Mike Wallace's little squirt. You gotta be shittin’ me! Minority Leader Pelosi? Nancy Pelosi, the nice, sweet democrat from California?

Well good for her! Maybe she learned something last week when she watched Bill Clinton bitch-slap the crap out of Mike Wallace’s little squirt.

]]> By: Nan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949264 Nan Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:24:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949264 " Pelosi probably realizes that Freeh is overqualified from his years of having to keep track of all the Clinton scandals! " You mean Clinton "pseudo scandals" like Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Chinagate, Monicagate.............where they spent millions in massive witchunts and came up with......................blow jobs! ” Pelosi probably realizes that Freeh is overqualified from his years of having to keep track of all the Clinton scandals! ”

You mean Clinton “pseudo scandals” like Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Chinagate, Monicagate………….where they spent millions in massive witchunts and came up with………………….blow jobs!

]]> By: Nan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949252 Nan Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:22:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949252 Louis Freeh is a member of the VRWC. He is a partisan hack. He must not be allowed to conduct this investigation. Louis Freeh is a member of the VRWC. He is a partisan hack. He must not be allowed to conduct this investigation.

]]> By: Chin http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949092 Chin Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:58:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949092 FOLEY IM's WERE PRANK According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL IM exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, it was revealed today. According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, goaded an unwitting Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of Dem political operatives. The primary source, an ally of Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund. Both are fearful that their political careers will be affected if they are publicly brought into the matter. The news come on the heels that Edmund has hired former Timothy McVeigh attorney, Stephen Jones. FOLEY IM’s WERE PRANK

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL IM exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, it was revealed today.

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, goaded an unwitting Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of Dem political operatives.

The primary source, an ally of Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund. Both are fearful that their political careers will be affected if they are publicly brought into the matter.

The news come on the heels that Edmund has hired former Timothy McVeigh attorney, Stephen Jones.

]]> By: WC http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949087 WC Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:58:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949087 Test Test

]]> By: Armando+Gomez http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-949073 Armando+Gomez Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:56:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-949073 <em>Hastert gave a call to Nancy Pelosi in Washington today. Nancy Pelosi said no, that’s not good enough. We don’t want an overhaul of the page program. We need a more thorough investigation. </em> It's not the page program that needs to be overhaul but the Republican Leadership! Hastert gave a call to Nancy Pelosi in Washington today. Nancy Pelosi said no, that’s not good enough. We don’t want an overhaul of the page program. We need a more thorough investigation.

It’s not the page program that needs to be overhaul but the Republican Leadership!

]]> By: Citizen+Dad http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-948950 Citizen+Dad Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:32:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-948950 Just like the Dems - holler for an investigation, then spike the investigation when they get it. Pelosi probably realizes that Freeh is overqualified from his years of having to keep track of all the Clinton scandals! Just like the Dems – holler for an investigation, then spike the investigation when they get it. Pelosi probably realizes that Freeh is overqualified from his years of having to keep track of all the Clinton scandals!

]]> By: wisedup http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-948938 wisedup Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:29:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-948938 Haster: 'ok then, how about having one of these people 'investigate ': Micky Mouse,..no?...rush limpdong...no?....mr ann coulter...no?...Goofy..?...I got it....Stevie Wonder!..... Haster: ‘ok then, how about having one of these people ‘investigate ‘:

Micky Mouse,..no?…rush limpdong…no?….mr ann coulter…no?…Goofy..?…I got it….Stevie Wonder!…..

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-948925 ForTruth Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:27:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-948925 I didn't know the Dems were capable of blocking anything. I didn’t know the Dems were capable of blocking anything.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/comment-page-1/#comment-948922 ForTruth Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:27:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/freeh-out/#comment-948922 How about no page program. The halls of Congress are much too filthy for underage people to be around. How about no page program. The halls of Congress are much too filthy for underage people to be around.

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