Pajamas Media, Instapundit Facilitate Outing Of Foley Victim
Pajamas Media, Instapundit Facilitate Outing Of Foley Victim
An obscure right-wing blogger, Wild Bill, has outed one of Mark Foley’s victims, a former Congressional page. It is a despicable act. Wild Bill however, gets almost no traffic, so the damage done to the victim’s life could have been minimal.
All that ended, however, when some of the most highly-trafficked right-wing bloggers decided to direct their readers to Wild Bill’s site. First, Roger L. Simon, co-founder and CEO of Pajamas Media — a portal and advertising broker for nearly every major right-wing blog — posted a link to Wild Bill on his personal site. (The Pajamas Media portal also linked to Wild Bill.) Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit — probably the most highly-trafficked right-wing blog — followed suit by linking to Simon’s post and the Pajamas Media post.
To give you an idea of the how Simon and Reynolds provided an audience for Wild Bill’s egregious post, here’s a chart from Alexa.com that gives you a rough idea of the relative traffic of the three sites. Reynolds is in green, Simon is in red and Wild Bill is in blue:
There are other sites, large and small, that have linked to Wild Bill as well — that’s also wrong. We won’t be providing links to any of these posts.
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Why do Republicans hate children so much?
October 5th, 2006 at 8:57 amThis issue is blowing up into a witchhunt by both parties. Just so you know, there are other important things to talk about.
October 5th, 2006 at 8:59 amBut it's okay for them to "out" the former page. He probably is lying after all. The IM's will be debunked as forgeries and this will all just be a "comma" on the way to swift-boating their way to election wins via crooked voting machines.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:01 amWell.... it's news.
Sorry for the victim and his upcoming book deal with Oprah.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:02 amDear Paul:
What could be more important then protecting children? Well if your are a Republican I guess it is protecting your base of power and war chest at the expense of safety.
And you are right. This witch is hunting pedophiles. Feeling afraid yet?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:03 amOf course they linked. It is all the pages and Democrats and "liberal media" that have caused the problem. Every loyal American parent would be proud that his or her child was being sexually pursued by some "upstanding, family values, moral" congressial sleaze bag. I can assure you that I would be overjoyed.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:03 amsoooo... when will the FCC or the Feds or anyone prosecute these guys OR do they only go after left-wing bloggers? i'm taking bets neither wild bill, simon, or reynolds will EVER be investigated, charged, OR prosecuted.
more evidence we live in a fascist dictatorship folks.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:05 amRepublician Death Culture. They fetishisize foetuses but hate actual children.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:05 amThink we can waterboard Foley?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:06 ampaul
Yes, there are other things to talk about - but who is listening? Maybe the "sexy" story involving the apparent cover-up of Foley's actions will get people's attention. Then, maybe they will be able to connect the governing style and goals of the Republicans demonstrated in this incident with those of all the other, more important issues. Of course, some (are you one?) will continue to ignore and distract.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:06 amCan't we just blame this whole thing on Terry Schiavo's husband and be done with it?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:07 amI guess then it was OK for some other right-wing pricks to torture and beat Matthew Shepard to death because there was an off chance he might have had "a book deal with Oprah". Thanks for showing us how amoral y'all are, right-wing trolls.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:08 amIs it illegal to expose these kids to danger like this?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:08 amIs this what happens when they can't spin something? Blame the victim? Once again the bar has been lowered.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:09 amI'll bet the FBI will be mightily interested to find out that Glenn Reynolds and Roger L. Simon aided and abetted "Wild Bill" in what looks to be a blatant effort to intimidate a witness in what's soon to be a Federal case.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:11 amAs the Bill Moyer's special, "Capitol Crimes," on PBS last night showed, there is nothing the Goopers won't do to hang onto power. Extortion, exploitation, swiftboating, conjuring up phony wars, denying protection to minors from predators, etc.... "all's fair in love and war," and to the rightwingnuts politics is war so decency and the US Constitution are irrelevent.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:12 am[...] A blogger named Wild Bill outed the identity of one of the pages that was a victim of Mark Foley. That, in and of itself, was bad enough but, fortunately, Wild Bill doesn;t get much traffic. Unfortunately, Glenn Reynolds and Paul Simon — too of the largest right wing bloggers, linked to the post outing the victim. I would ask if Reynolds and Simon have any shame, any decency, any moral calling hihger than protecting the Republican party, but what would be the point? The answer seems pretty clear. [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 9:13 amClassy move right wing! You're license to pontificate and act holier-than thou has now been revoked. Please turn in any indignation you've been saving up.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:13 amThis issue is blowing up into a witchhunt by both parties. Just so you know, there are other important things to talk about.
Yes, it's impossible to talk about multiple issues at once. And protecting teenagers from predators seems pretty important...
October 5th, 2006 at 9:13 amUmm. You have a photo up of Roger Simon, the former syndicated columnist and U.S. News and World Report political correspondent, instead of Roger L. Simon, the fedora-wearing PajamaMedias blogger.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:17 amWild Bill, who lists Communications/Media as his industry, loves 'writting'.
From the google cache, of course. Why did the Great Designer make RW bloggers so uniformly illiterate?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:19 am-
I kinda like how the graph shows a steady decline in Instapundit's viewings. Maybe the Kool-aid is starting to wear off a little.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:20 amThe real outrage is that Glenn Reynolds gets that much traffic.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:21 amThanks JR, we've removed the photo. We'll get the right one up in a couple minutes.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:23 amCome on, guys, let's be fair. Glenn only linked to Simon's post, which had the link to Wild Bill. Glenn, who oozes integrity from every pore, would never condone such activity.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:23 amI'm very angry. I feel like the Republcans have betrayed their gay supporters by painting this as a gay issue.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:24 amRepublicans have always, and will always, betray their gay supporters. How stupid does one need to be to support the party of homophobia, misogyny and racism anyway?
October 5th, 2006 at 9:32 amWhat a group of bottom feeders. Way to go guys! It's so reassuring to see how concerned you all are about the kids. Now they can find out just how caring the Republicans REALLY are. I'm sure the families will be grateful for the ...attention as well. Damn, this is so messed up. Republicans strike again.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:34 amI wonder, was this the page that the initial story was about, or a different alleged victim? And to be accurate, we must say "alleged victim." Was this done to silence other victims from coming forth? Or was Wild Bill looking for some attention?
At any rate, can you say "invasion of privacy?" I hope the person Wild Bill "outed" gets a good lawyer. Wild Bill, and those who linked to him, could find themselves in one hellacious lawsuit.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:38 amNice to see that the overall trend for Instapompous is heading down.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:39 am#26 Proud Gay Republican, we on the left have been working for all people's right's for year's.....Join us and welcome....Blessings
October 5th, 2006 at 9:40 amHey, Anything for power, Right?
Glenn Reynolds and that bunch continue to reveal that they have No Shame. Hopefully, this will at last open America's eyes as to what the GOP have become. Not Conservative, just Radicals hell bent on power at any cost.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:42 amJust saw that Jeff Gannon will be interviewed on the Randi Rhodes show today at 5:30. Wow.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:43 amI saw the accidental post yesterday Wild Bill made about it, then the real post. I too decided not to link to it. It is sick that these wingnuts are making the victims out to be the criminal, but it is not shocking.
I figure that with the FBI investigating pages getting death threats, the right wing blogosphere will soon be called into question.
Jamie
October 5th, 2006 at 9:45 amhttp://www.intoxination.net
Looks like Instapundit is hemorrhaging readers, from the looks of that chart.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:48 am#26, but the Republicans have quite a track record of discriminating against their gay supporters. After all, it was Republicans who wanted to put a discriminatory amendment into the United States Constitution banning same-sex marriages. Republicans have worked against preventing discrimination against gays at the State level for years. Gays are an easy scapegoat for Conservative Christians while they cover up for pedophiles in their midst. Recall the Roman Catholic Church, lashing out against the "sin" of homosexuality, while covering up the buggering ways of their priests.
The Republican Party has been the party of intolerance and hate ever since the Christian Coalition helped its rise to power several years ago.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:51 amHey Mikey,
Glenn Reynolds is no idiot, he knew what he was linking to.
F*cking rightwingers with their whiny "fair and balanced" attitude -- Since we're looking pretty bad right now, it's only fair that the victims be identified.
Whiners and bedwetters -- the lot of you.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:52 amThank you for not posting/sending traffic to these sites.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:52 am#5. Florida Mom.
And you are right. This witch is hunting pedophiles. Feeling afraid yet?.
Are you for real? After all this talk about Bush stifleing freedoms, you are going to try to shut down my free speech by insinuating that I am a pedophile? You need to go back to salem, get back in bed with Joe McCarthy and renew your Ken Starr fan club membership.
Image you are European. The U.S. has the world embroiled in war in the middle east, Iran and N. Korea are attaining nuclear weapons, there is a rise in terrorism and unrest. Global warming, poverty, genocide in Africa, etc. Now, you look at the U.S., the world's remaining superpower, who is supposed to be providing leadership. They spend the month obsessed with creepy e-mails from one congressman to 16 year old pages. Keep on going progs. I thought that witch hunts were republican territory.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:53 amThe Republican Party has been the party of intolerance and hate ever since the Christian Coalition helped its rise to power several years ago.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Which is why I will never understand why there are gay Republicans.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:54 amWhen a certain kind of person senses he is losing power, the do things which, in the end, reveal the true nature of his character.
Just because the Republicans seem to be bound and determined to cut lose their best and their brightest....
what they have left is just a bunch of very unattractive white men whose basic essense is something ugly.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:56 amI hope and pray that this former page has the maturity and strength to weather this without too much psychological distress. It's tragic that he had to be victimized TWICE.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:57 amTruly despicable. Unfortunately, ABC News stopped short of a much-needed apology.
FoleyScandal.com
October 5th, 2006 at 9:58 am>Which is why I will never understand why there are gay Republicans.
And you know what they call them after they are outed by their former friends?
Democrats.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:58 amZooey:
I was being sarcastic.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:00 amThe Republicans are an organized criminal conspiracy that should be prosecuted under the RICO act. If you are a Republican, you are a member of a crime family. If you vote Republican, you are kissing their ring. Of course Organized Criminal Enterprises will do ANYTHING to achieve their power objectives. There is no wrong other than losing power. Crime doesn't pay. The rest of us do.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:01 amSome people say that Glenn Reynolds likes to sodomize youg boys with loaded firearms while Roger Simon videotapes.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:01 amHey paul
October 5th, 2006 at 10:04 amImagine you are an American. Your country, the U.S., has the world embroiled in war in the middle east, Iran and N. Korea are attaining nuclear weapons, there is a rise in terrorism and unrest. Global warming, poverty, genocide in Africa, etc. Now, you look at Bush and his cronies, the supposed leaders of the "free" world and who are supposed to be providing a role model for democracy. They spend their administration obsessed with gaining and maintaining power, even to the point of covering up creepy e-mails from one of their fellow Republican congressman to 16 year old pages. Should the neocons keep on going with their assault on American values, democracy, and general integrity? Shouldn't progressives challenge them on EVERY front?
Appalling but not surprising. But I like the trendline of Instapundit's traffic!
October 5th, 2006 at 10:12 amThis is a very clear effort to intimidate anyone who might be thinking of revealing any more damaging information.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:12 amI continuously hear the term "creepy" to describe the tone of the emails sent by Republican Rep. Foley. Tony Snow deemed them "naughty." Why the difficulty on the part of Republicans to own up to what these email truly are which is predatory?
And sick.
And representative of the last few years in the life of this country.
There is nothing else to discuss until this issue is resolved and people take responsibility for their actions.
Protecting children can never take a back seat to any other issue.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:13 amAnd what exactly is the point of outing the page? Other than to blame him for all of this because of his keyboard sensuality, I suppose. Bastards.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:14 amAmerica's Least Wanted
By first putting up the photo of the wrong Roger Simon and not owning up to it is a bit like flashing Mark Foley's mug on TV and identifying him as (D-FL). C'mon, TP.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:15 amThank you PLC @ # 48.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:16 amI was being sarcastic.
Comment by Mikey
Sorry! I really missed that one. :}
October 5th, 2006 at 10:22 amI like the graph, it shows a steady down turn of stupid people in the past several months. So Reynolds and Simons are experiencing the same "shift" in readership as Faux Snooze is experiencing in viewership... that alone makes me smile.
well, they (repubs) are consistent aren't they? If you can't "play" the victim, victimize a victim.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:22 am#55
Its not the crime it's the cover up.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:24 amRaw Story has the link, that is how I found it.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:26 amwhatgreatliesthelefttells
You little one’s seem to forget that the Clinton administration would destroy the life and reputation of any woman who dare come out in public and say that Clinton had raped her or taken advantage of her.
Prove it.
As usual, the “pro-law†liberals want to pass verdict and sentence on people they hate with a passion without giving them a trial.
So, you agree with the right of Habeas Corpus?
What Foley did is disgusting
Exactly - and it may be criminal. You, yourself, found him "guilty" of the immorality and here we progressives agree. So, are you attacking us for agreeing with you? Or just attacking to divert attention from the probable cover-up?
October 5th, 2006 at 10:26 amThere is not one original talking point in "whatgreatliesthelefttells'" comment.
All have been addressed endlessly on this blog.
Please ignore the moronic troll.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:31 amI wish you Liberals would have shown the same type of outraged and condemnation with Mel Reynolds and after Clinton pardon him.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells
You list to many things to debunk at once so I will take this one. reynolds served his full time for the sexual misconduct counts. He was later convicted of bank fraud and served some time for that. After serving over half his time for the bank fraud charges he was paroned by Clinton. So what does that have to do with this subject? Do you just take everything you heard from Rush as fact and regurgitate his lies or are you a liar yourself?
October 5th, 2006 at 10:36 amAnd... the upshot is that, while the Right is trying to paint this as a Democratic dirty tricks job, the former page in question is currently a Republican campaign worker.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:37 amWhat great lies the LEFT tells? Whatever.
Gerry Studds was over 20 years ago. Or in Hannity years, let's say it was over 50 years ago. Foley is in the here and now, capiche?
Insofar as caring for children, foetuses are not children. Embryos are not children. Children are able to live independently outside of the womb. A feat you trolls apparently have yet to master.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:41 am[...] Glenn Reynolds and Roger L. Simon. [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 10:49 amProjecting along that graph, Instapuddle will have "0" readership by 3/07. And is that red plot Pajama media's traffic? Wow, that compilation of RW syncophants is really influencing the online political dialogue. rofl
You know how this stuff works. None of the topline RW sites would dare run this themselves, so, like the good Republican Bushbot-cowards that they are, they find some obscure backwash site to post it, so they can then link to it and get it out there to their knucledragging readers. It's all about intimidation and retaining power.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:49 amI know that just last night, at our weekly DCCC Islamofascist sex party, I heard many a liberal complain that we're not adequately depriving Congressmen of their civil liberties. Tap Foley's phone! Waterboard him at GTMO! Hahahaha, indeed!!!!
October 5th, 2006 at 10:53 amRepublican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republi-trolls (such as WGLTLT) only want people to look at Democrats when they talk about sexual misconduct from the 80's. Typical of the ultra-radical right-whiners to point fingers when they are caught with their proverbial pants down.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:55 amDemocrat Soldier @ 71
Love that Party of Perverts listing. You really do need to be a social cretin to associate with the GOP brand.
Funny, I've yet to see a comparable list of Democrats. True, we have a few bad apples, probably in proportion to the general population...but Republicans, ewwwww....you really have to wonder why the perverts all gravitate to that corrupted shell of a political 'party'.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:57 amI'm glad you didn't post links to the posts... but I feel it's just as bad to even mention them, seeing that one only needs to take the information you've given and Google it to find the posts.
So I really don't think this post is any less innocent than posting the links straight up.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:58 amI say we produce a game called " neocon wheel of political fortune" that we can simply spin and find out for ourselves what is going to be used at any given moment for any given scandal.
Be careful. The dice were made by Diebold and are likely to be loaded.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:01 amKennedy is a murderer and he is still in office. That tops anything they can come up with.
ROTFL
October 5th, 2006 at 11:02 am"I can assure that I can do teh same thing and come up with Democrat names and crimes."
Put up or shut up. If there was such a comparable list, you'd have gotten the RNC fax a long time ago.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:03 am#77 - Innocent Bystander, the right-whiners have a great spin machine. They've demonized the word "liberal", and they've built up a facade that the Republican party is the party of fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, family values, and national security.
Funny how every "issue" they've spun to make it seem like they stand for is falling down around their ears. They have NO fiscal responsibility, they refuse to take personal responsibility for their failures, they hide behind the label "family values" while they push for more corruption, and their national security stance is starting to fray after no WMD's, no end to war, quagmire in Iraq, losing Usama bin Laden, and they're going to lose seats this comeing November.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:04 amwhatgreatliesthelefttells.... I think it seems the left doesn't listen to the rigth anymore because of the patterns of lies and hypocracy that comes out of your mouths.
I don't know about others - but I'm not saying we should ignore Studds actions, but there is a big difference between Stubbs and Bush. For one, Bush is in a much higher position of power. And his actions in the past are important exhibbits to look at concidering the actions he has taken now. The other maor difference is that Bush, and Foley, and the fat speaker of the house claim to be in the party of moral values. They ALSO claim to be a party against homosexuallity. Those two reasons alone make this a much bigger issues than the Studds issue.
But there is more... the fact that Foley says he is a lush, and that he was abused by a religious figure. Those statements bring up a plethora of other issues which matter in our current climate, and should really be discussed.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:05 am"I see you youngens were too young to remember in the 1990s the Democrat that organized a prostitution ring from his Congressional office."
Liar. Put up or shut up.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:05 am#82 - Keep dreaming.
Pres. Bush is responsible for 2733 deaths of our soldiers in a country that didn't have the WMD's he claimed. 2733 deaths trump one death by everyones math.
Pres. Bush lied, and thousands have died!
That tops ANYTHING you can come up with!
ROTFLMFAO!
October 5th, 2006 at 11:06 amThe Oklahoman newspaper has now picked up the story and is running it off the front of its Web site, complete with the young man's name, hometown, the fact that he works for Istook and the name of his new attorney, Stephen Jones, the same lawyer who defended McVeigh.
This story just got weirder.
As for the republican groupie who referred to this mess as a "game," my advice is to seek therapy. Maybe they can help you rediscover the humanity you were born with and lost somewhere along the way.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:07 am"I can assure that I can do teh same"
" the Democrat that organized a prostitution ring from his Congressional office"
Why be so vague? Could you actually post the names please? It's not that I don't believe you - it's that I just don't think you're willing to put in the effort to prove your points. You don't even take the time to check your spelling.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:07 am#80 - Prove it. You can't because your the one telling lies. Your fantasy does not make reality, unless you're swigging the kool-aide.
Wow! When the going gets tough, the ultra-radical right-whiners can only spread calumny and mendacity!
By the way, calumny and mendacity mean "lies". Now you don't have to go look the words up.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:09 amI'm an avid reader of the site, but I read into this story - mainly confused why TP would refuse to link to the sites - but came across this:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashmfa.htm
What is going on with that? While I am against neo-con nutjobs and biased media, I am also for the truth despite which party it affects.
Can it be verified that the above link is either correct or incorrect?
October 5th, 2006 at 11:20 am[...] Think Progress has a piece today: Pajamas Media, Instapundit Facilitate Outing Of Foley Victim [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 11:21 amHa! I think poor old WGLTLT is refering to this "old" news:
"In 1990, the House voted to reprimand (Rep.) Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male prostitute that Rep. Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, had conducted a prostitution ring from Frank's apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year after learning of Gobie's activities."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank
All this happened when Rep. Frank was not there! When he found out about it, Steve was shown the door!
Ha! What a sad attempt by WGLTLT to "spin" the news. Too bad, so sad. I've got work to do, and there's no real right-whiner opposition when it comes to digging up dirt. It always goes against the trolls when they try this tactic. I guess it's unfair for WGLTLT, because I lived in Washington DC from 1986-2000 and recall this blip in the news quite well. It was spun by the Republicans at the time, but of course came to nothing when compared to the skeletons in THEIR closet! (Pun intended!)
October 5th, 2006 at 11:25 am[...] It comes to this: The republican machine is going after the teenagers Mark Foley was sexually exploiting. That's right. Not the leadership that did nothing. Not the people who tried to cover it all up. They're going on the offensive against the kids, as though all of this is their fault. [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 11:28 amYeah, just like the ultra-radical right -whiners. When they get the red-a$$ over their accusations, they have to dig up "money scandals" to try and compare with the Republican Sex Scandals.
Too bad, so sad!
You are sounding even more desperate by the minute WGLTLT! How about some Democrat that kicked a puppy, and claim that's worse than trying to have sex with a 16 year old boy!
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2006 at 11:28 amFoleygate: Citizen Journalism Rears Its Head...
Update: Welcome to the Internet, A Tutorial for Reporters
October 5th, 2006 at 11:30 amIn other news: Oooooooh…
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#91
Just say it with me...don't forget to breathe..."a Republican congressman is a child sex predator and the Republican leadership knew it for years and covered it up..."
Feel any better? It feels good to leave fantasy land sometimes.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:31 am#99 - "left Barney Franks was neither censured or thrown out of Congress for his prostitution ring."
I never claimed he was, ass! You gotta read my posts, not just project your failures into my posts!
It must hurt to get slapped around like that, right? Or are you a masochist? You must be, if you're still willing to get slapped down over your false claims.
So, who WAS this so-called Democrat that ran a prostitution ring out of his congressional office? Hmmm??? Can't name him becuase he's a product of your desperation over not being able to keep up with the lists. You gotta give up before you get hurt, pretty boy!
October 5th, 2006 at 11:41 amIf you are going to bring up Gerry Studds at least be "fair" and bring up Dan Crane (you know, the Republican who was 'only' censured at the same time Gerry was for doing the same thing).
October 5th, 2006 at 11:49 amWell, after giving the major smack-down to poor little WGLTLT over his pathetic attempt at comparing money scandals to sex scandals, I've got to get back to work.
It was fun smacking you around, WGLTLT, but you're a light weight in the big arena, and your lies are even more transparent as you get desperate.
I guess the neo-cons have really gotten you to swig the kool-aide, or else you'd be able to remove the spin-glasses and see that your oh-so wonderful Republican party is using your blind adoration as a tool for their gain and your pain.
Move along, little boy. Move along!
By the way, where's your so-called "proof" that the page was 18? You don't have any because you know it's a liel
October 5th, 2006 at 11:51 amOhh, ywah! Drudge, the gay-man himself! Of course he's going to tell a lie to cover for the radical right!
You need to get out more often, and question things rather than swigging at the kool-aide.
SMACK!
You up for more?
October 5th, 2006 at 12:01 pmWhy do Republipukes always have to attack the victims of their heinous acts?
This will contribute to their downfall.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:09 pmThis is proof of how STUPID these assclowns are.
Thanks WGLTLT-
You made my point. Republicans are the Party of Perverts, by a rather significant margin. Obviously, we really don't have enough time or space to list money corruption issues by the Republican Syndicate. Lets just say that's a core structural component of the GOP.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:10 pmyou might start sounding intelligent if you think before you spew out your vomit, ok?
Really? How would you know, paid troll?
October 5th, 2006 at 12:12 pm#115 - Dumb a$$! I AM gay!
If you spent any time on this page reading the posts rather then spewing your vomit (like how I turned your quote back on you?) then you'd realize that.
Maybe if you looked at sites other than right-whine sites, you'd have a little bit more breadth than that.
Oh well! I'm tired of smacking you around and giving proof while you just expect people to take your word.
I hope you have a good day!
October 5th, 2006 at 12:13 pmWGLT....ah whatever,
Are you using this aas your proof that the boy was 18? IF so read the last sentence.
But upon reviewing the records, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, the young man was in fact over the age of 18 at the time of the exchange.
A network source explains, messages with the young man and disgraced former Congressman Foley took place before and after the 18th birthday.
Developing...
A little premature I would say to say it is a fact or more to to the point immature. Please help yourself and don't use Drudge comments as facts. It makes you sound stupid.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:20 pmHey Democrat Soldier. It is alright that you are gay. We are holding your stupidity against you.
By the way "Congress Voted To Go To War", so blame everyone, don't single people out that you want blame.
Clean up the first mess first - Kennedy Drank and Drove, Mary Died. He is in office when he should be in jail.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:25 pm#121 - Diet, Yeah, WGLTLT is using one single source (that he refuses to post) as his only proof that the page was not 16.
I, on the other hand, gave three links to various web sites that PROVE the boy was 16.
I offer proof, WGLTLT only offers his word.
How sad for the right-whiners when they can't offer one single solitary link to support their assertions.
I guess that's another argument that goes to me.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI guess everyone's fair game to the GOP. Kids, undercover CIA operatives, you name it.
GOPemon - Godda Smear 'em All.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:28 pm#122 - Don't worry, we hold your stupidity against you as well!
Congress voted to go to war IN AFGHANISTAN! Pres. Bush decided to get distracted by Iraq, and now they've got a whole country to use as a training ground for more terrorists.
Vote Pres. Bush if you want more terrorism!
The truth will set you free!
October 5th, 2006 at 12:29 pmClean up the first mess first - Kennedy Drank and Drove, Mary Died. He is in office when he should be in jail.
Comment by Happy+Guy
You can put him in the cell right next to Laura Bush who ran a stop sign and killed her boyfriend.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:29 pmWGLTLT,
Again you go half way with your "facts". You did miss a part of history there boppo.
On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane's case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page and in Studds's case, it was a 1973 relationship with a male page. Both representatives immediately pleaded guilty to the charges and the committee decided to simply reprimand the two.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:36 pmClean up the first mess first - Kennedy Drank and Drove, Mary Died. He is in office when he should be in jail.
Comment by Happy+Guy —
And Reagan sold weapons to the same terrorists that held Americans hostage. What's your point? We gave him a pass, should he have been impeached as well?
October 5th, 2006 at 12:42 pmEven though the damage may have been minimal, I would look into possible legal action against WIld Bill.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:45 pmWhen Republicans are in control of Congress they made Foley resign.
see any difference? c’mon take the blinders off.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells —
No, he resigned after trying to block the ABC story through a surrogate.
Or did you miss that part? Prove it was the leadership that got him to resign, or admit to just making sh*t up.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:47 pmBy looning at the photo of Roger L SImmon it appears that he is also a pevert. It has the look of a child molester himself
October 5th, 2006 at 12:50 pmBut Shimkus and Hastert didn't take the logical next steps. The communications that Shimkus and Hastert knew about were serious enough to ask Foley to cease contact with the former page. But the Republicans didn't pursue the matter any further and didn't inform the Democratic member of the House Page Board about the matter. That lack of action is indefensible.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:51 pmY'know, whatgreatliesthelefttells hasn't yet backed up his assertion with any provable facts. Although he has lied repeatedly about Barney Franks.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:52 pmWGLTLT,
October 5th, 2006 at 12:52 pmBlinders have been off for a long time thanks. The only problem I have is that you have been throwing aroung half-truths (my mamma calls them lies), opinions and rhetoric as facts. Both parties have skeltons in the closet. To constantly bring up this Studds incident just shows how weak your arguments are. 23 years ago. It is a sick incident in my opinion. He was censured. But at the time, and horribly I might add, there were no laws broken. What I don't seem to see in researching it is a Democratic cover up of the incident for years. That is the big issue here. There are disgusting people in both parties. What is worse only censuring a pedophile or covering up his actions, letting him to continue his disgusting ways and accepting payback money from him?
Al Capone was brought down by the IRS. These "lesser issues" seems to be the only ones that make it into the public awareness, and are the only road to bringing this GOP regime down. So be it.
It is not as if they didn't bring it on themselves, all they have to do is walk the walk.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:56 pm#48. PLC. you won't believe it, but i'm not on TP, because i enjoy feeling like the minority. This country is basically, evenly divided. The current administration is not performing very well. The problem is, i've come here to find a better alternative. You can think I'm crazy for even considering the republican administration, but there are 60 million people who agree with me. There are people, who vote republican, that wish for a stronger democratic party. A Foley witchhunt doesn't make democrats stronger. It is an on ramp to goofyville. (i'll save you the post - 'paul, you don't care about the children'). Disingenuous righteous indignation.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:57 pmAnything to stay in power. ANYTHING!
Count on it.
October 5th, 2006 at 1:01 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells is the guy who put "D-FL" after Foley's picture on FOX..."change reality" by just blatantly telling lies!!!
October 5th, 2006 at 1:10 pmMust feel weird when you're not on limboob.com with no one calling you on your lies and misinformation.
October 5th, 2006 at 1:14 pmquote: "I’m very angry. I feel like the Republcans have betrayed their gay supporters by painting this as a gay issue."
Well, you know what they say; lay down with a dog and get up with fleas. I don't understand how any self-respecting gay person could *ever* associate themselves with the gay-hating Republican party. I consider gay Republicans to be "kapos".
October 5th, 2006 at 1:15 pmWGLTLT,
Where did you go? I tried to answer your questions as best I could could you please answer this one. I would love to hear your answer.
What is worse only censuring a pedophile or covering up his actions, letting him to continue his disgusting ways and accepting payback money from him?
October 5th, 2006 at 1:18 pmIt seems the GOP will stoop to anything, including attempting to blame the victims in this matter, to change public opinion. Lately, the power of the GOP is becomming hard to handle. There was supposed to be a nationwide protest against the Bush regime today - and I posted the link on my site and CampusProgress.org so people could find the locations for the many cities taking part in this protest.
This AM, the post on CampusProgress was the number one post being read by the students - and then it dropped of to nothing. I checked the post - and the link had been changed so it didn't work.
I immediately checked my own site, and sure enough, it had been hacked so the link didn't work, which I repaired immediately. I also noted that nowhere in the MSM is this protest being reported, but when illegal aliens protested, it was carried by every national news outlet. It seems that the Bush administration has firm control over ALL of the MSM, and that is about as scary as it gets.
Some of the protests don't start until later today, so there is still time to see if your city is participating.
DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME - Nationwide Protest October 5th!
October 5th, 2006 at 1:26 pmHas anyone noticed how the trajectory of Instapundits web site hits tracks Prezit Flightsuit's approval ratings? Why, they're both going down faster than Mark Foley on Jeff Gannon!
October 5th, 2006 at 1:26 pmLooks like both Reynolds and Simon have lost half of their readership since May! Congratulations to America on waking from its long nightmare!
October 5th, 2006 at 1:27 pmWhy no statements of support for the Republican leadership from the Log Cabin Republicans? You'd think the only gay republican organization in existence would weigh-in on this issue in a big way.
I'd also like to know what Sen. David Drier thinks - being a closeted gay, he could offer a unique perspective on the issue. Does he think Foley is simply gay, or a sexual predator who gets off on abusing kids because he's in a position of power?
October 5th, 2006 at 1:33 pm[...] I present to you, the leaders of the right wing blogosphere: An obscure right-wing blogger, Wild Bill, has outed one of Mark Foley’s victims, a former Congressional page. It is a despicable act. Wild Bill however, gets almost no traffic, so the damage done to the victim’s life could have been minimal. [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 1:44 pmAND YOU REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW!
So how about focusing on why, in 12 short years, the GOP has managed to do things the Dems couldn't manage to do in 40.
Also, I always find it amusing how you all manage to defend yourselves by trying to compare your actions to the actions of the party you hate so much. If the Dems are so evil, and the GOP does the exact same thing, doesn't that make them evil as well?
Of course, the Dems almost exclusviely took money in the examples given -- the GOP also took money, but also molested children, had IM sex with teenagers, started a war based on lies, sold legislation to the highest bidder, legalized torture ...
October 5th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI try to avoid the trolls, but this one really made me giggle. I love how the page's age keeps increasing on all the right-winger's posts and blogs every day. 16... 16 and a half... 17... 17 and a half... 18...
In two weeks, the page will be 73 years old and will be accused of molesting underage Foley in their eyes. hahahahah.
Alright, now that the Dems have a "sex scandal" to energize the so-called "swing" voters who were so easily duped into voting for the neocons, the Dems can get some real work done in the next few years. If only those swing voters would look at issues instead of just grabbing onto oneliners, swiftboating BS, tabloid news, and October surprises (coming from either direction) -- the Dems would never lose and would never need to play politics with issues such as this.
I can dream...
October 5th, 2006 at 1:55 pmWild Bill, the intrepid investigator who bravely exposed the identity of one of the pages, took down the comments function on his blog because, as he said, "someone is trying to bring my son into this." And by that he means, people pointed out that they, too, could use the internet to divulge a minor's identity. Such courage, it brings a tear to my eye.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:00 pmDoesn't really matter if he was 16 or 19.....age of consent in DC is 16 and continuing to call this page a "child" is self serving b.s. Foley needs to go because he abused his position of power with another individual not because any law was broken...no law was broken so any hint of that is again pure self serving b.s.. The incredible hypocracy from the Dems on this one is almost blinding, though. Clinton abuses his power with a 19 yr. old to the point of actual physical contact and that is somehow different?!? At least the conservatives know what Foley did was wrong and applaud his stepping down and encourage any further investigation. The Democrats think that abuse of power somehow ends when it's a 19yr. of as opposed to an 18 yr. old and an actual blowjob occured....or is it because this involved a gay angle?
October 5th, 2006 at 2:07 pmSomeone please link post in 22pt Bold text all of their home addresses and the place where their children go to school and their childrens names. Thank You.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:08 pmthis is for paul who thinks its not important to protect children and out pedophules. paul we know youre really dennis hastert, now didnt the internet get him in trouble? best learn from the past, which repukes dont really do, but please denny, burn your computer.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:09 pmLike I've been saying for some time - the wingnuts - all of them - are shameless hypocrite coward pussies. And failures. Equivocating, prevaricating, dissembling, red herring-tossing, smoke screening sissies who wouldn't know a fair fight if it put them in the hospital. The only reason they're still around is that there are enough sincere (if naive) people in this country who believe some of what they say, some of the time, because they refuse to believe that anyone could be lying that much, all the time.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:17 pmum, "zenping," Monica was 22 when she first met Clinton, or have you only been paying attention to Sean Hannity?
October 5th, 2006 at 2:20 pmSay zenhog, would you care to tell us who that 19 yr. old President Clinton took advantage of was. Or are you talking out of your ass like your lover Hannity was?
October 5th, 2006 at 2:20 pmNewt said "There's a certain stench of hypocrisy." I agree. Republicans do stink of hypocrisy. Indeed, they do not need a "lecture on morality." Repubs are the greatest lecturers and pushers of morality. Of course, it's "Do what I say, not what I do"
October 5th, 2006 at 2:24 pmWHO is this exciting new troll we have here?....very energetic, very macho...very much a carbon copy of the rest of'em...tell ya what nature boy - we're gonna do exactly what the wingnuts did when they caught clinton with his dick out - sound fair to you??
October 5th, 2006 at 2:26 pmWGLTLT,
Where did you go? I tried to answer your questions as best I could could you please answer mine. I would love to hear your answer.
What is worse only censuring a pedophile or covering up his actions, letting him to continue his disgusting ways and accepting payback money from him?
October 5th, 2006 at 2:34 pmIntersting that Neo-cons are more than happy to complain about 16 being the age of consent in Washington DC, but they ignore other (sometimes red) states! (Blinders, anyone?!?)
South Dakota 16
October 5th, 2006 at 2:35 pmPennsylvania 16
Oklahoma 16
North Carolina 16
New Jersey 16
Nevada 16
Mississippi 16 (law passed June 1, 1998)
Minnesota 16
Michigan 16
Kentucky 16
Kansas 16
Indiana 16
Georgia 16
Arkansas 16
Alabama 16
164 : okay bud, first - this isn't star wars. second, the latter part of your post is incomprehensible - all i asked was that you agree it would be fair now for all of Washington and the media to proceed exactly as they did during the lewinsky thing. that's what i get, i guess, for asking for simple answer to a straightforward question. and, fyi, your overuse of simplistic labels to describe things that are infinitely variable is the surest clue that you are a paranoid kook. try staying away from the labeling, and someone might respond to you as though there were something to be gained from it.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:38 pmpretty much my point.......this guy could have been 16, 19, or 30.....if he was in a postion of unequal power in a working relationship it is wrong to take advantage of that. The only response to me stating someone was 19 was that Monica was 22....legally it doesn't matter just as it doesn't matter with the victim of Foleys. The inability or actually I think the unwillingness of the responders thus far to see that for what it is speaks for itself. Foley was wrong, he stepped down, and the Republicans as a party insist that was the right thing to do. The commenters here get their panties all wadded up because they have invented righteous indignation once again.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#168 - Wow, you really get dizzy spinning like a top, don't you?!?!?!
You're the one faking your outrage over the man-on-boy sex. You're the one claiming it was a Democratic tactic when it was the Reps who exposed one of their own.
I'm neither young, nor your padwan. I'm a 38 year old honorably discharged Army veteran that's sick of the moral relavatism of the Republican party.
Next time you try to repeating your non-arguments, why don't you include a few links? Or is that asking too much of you? Hmm? It's not hard to do, but I guess it means backing up an argument with facts, and not just repeating the same-old story line you get from the right-whiners.
You bore me, I'm tired of proving you wrong (because it's SO easy) and I hope you have a good day. :)
October 5th, 2006 at 2:51 pmWGTLTL,
Next? Its a question on your opinion.
2)If, and that is a big IF there was a cover up of Foley the Republican party is equally guilty as the Democrat party. The Democrat party allowed Studds to stay in power, right? that is a fact. As of right now, there are only allegations of cover up, nothing concrete.
Facts are they have admitted to knowing about the problem for three years. They said nothing. Did nothing. Except accept $100,000 from him for their campaigns. Those are facts. Republicans knew about this. But I'll take the payback part out. So again....
What is worse only censuring a pedophile or covering up his actions and letting him to continue his disgusting ways?
Its a simple question aboout your opinion on the facts as we now them now.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:52 pm172 - saucy!, but please don't expect me to feel badly about any of the monkey poo you fling my way....better than you have tried and failed in the past....speaking of failure, how's that whole "war" thing of yours going?
October 5th, 2006 at 2:58 pmwhy is it that whenever a right-winger is accused of doing something wrong, the only way they can defend themselves is by saying "forget about my crime, a democrat did it too!".
October 5th, 2006 at 2:59 pmPersonally, I don't think the Democrats have been representing the left wing of society for quite a long time. Memories of Kerry trying to out-right-wing Georgie boy at the debates are still too clear in my head. so punch on the Democrats all you want, wingnuts, they've sold out and gone over to the right wing with you and your precious Repervlicans anyway.
(his spelling is starting to slip....either getting drunk(er) or getting really pissed....wish i knew where he lives, so i could decide whether to call my wife and kids home from work/school....no doubt he's armed to the teeth....can't be too careful these days....a lot of those "gone postal" types are from "that" end of the political spectrum....)
October 5th, 2006 at 3:02 pmBoth are equally wrong? Thanks.
As it stands right now I think it is worse that the Republicans knew about it and did not do anything about it because they knew the whole story. Doesn't matter if it was Hastert his aides or anyone else. They seemed to be pretty well informed of exactly what was going on. They are responsible for the children's safety and well being. They had access to the facts and the means to stop it. As for the media I do not know exactly what they knew but it is still reprehensible they did not pusue it. FOX just hit a new bottom.
See how easy it is to answer questions.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:03 pm179 - it's a psychological thing that they have (but don't say that out loud, they think it's cause jesus loves them)
October 5th, 2006 at 3:03 pmProtecting Children?...
Not if if you are a Conservative blogger...
October 5th, 2006 at 3:07 pm…..most liberals praise and worship the Vaginia Monologues…..?????
we're takin the kookometer into the red zone today, folks.....does that make you horny?
October 5th, 2006 at 3:17 pmand for the record I think the Vagina Monologues is a beautiful piece of theater/literature. I don't see what that's got to do with this disgusting episode of right-wing perversion.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:22 pmI believe i answered your questions already. BOTH are equally wrong. get it yet?!
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells
Nice way to answer a question. You stun me with your persusive position on the subject. I bet you were the head of your debate team. How could anyone stand up to your power of persuasion.
...snicker....
October 5th, 2006 at 3:26 pmIf you are the best that the Dems and Liberals have to offer no wonder that your party is in trouble.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells
....,said the rat from the sinking ship.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:27 pmtom baker….
still with the labeling, I see. I guess being a hypocrite doesn’t bother, eh? You fit well into the mold of who a liberal is.
If you are the best that the Dems and Liberals have to offer no wonder that your party is in trouble.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells — October 5, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
so much for being against labelling. bah.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:30 pm187 - ain't he funny?? rarely are we treated to this kind of foaming at the mouth...it's kept me in stitches all morning - va-gin-ia monologues...rotflmao
October 5th, 2006 at 3:32 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells,
I was unaware the ABC, NYT, WP, NBC, etc. had a copy of the e-mails and sat on them. Can you post a link to that info? I would be happy to broaden my outrage.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:34 pmthought I would reply to the first two comments...
1. Why do Republicans hate children so much?
Because they have to pay them to join the military, they should be happy to join voluntarily for love of god (Bush), and country (haliburton)
2. This issue is blowing up into a witchhunt by both parties. Just so you know, there are other important things to talk about.
The reason it is blowing up is it looks like there was a several year long coverup, somewhere is the paperwork which shut down an FBI investigation which was started last spring when they were first supplied with the info. Really the real reason it is blowing up though is the ironic aspects of it, plus the salacious nature of it. You would be hard pressed to get people to care about the budget, but give the masses a little sex, and watch them eat it up.
3. But it’s okay for them to “out†the former page. He probably is lying after all. The IM’s will be debunked as forgeries and this will all just be a “comma†on the way to swift-boating their way to election wins via crooked voting machines.
I bet Foley will feel really silly when he realizes he resigned so quickly because of false accusations. I would respond to the rest of your comment, but it is sort of contradictary to logic already, and doesn't bare commenting on.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:35 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells,
can i have a picture of you? how long is your weiner? you make me horny with all that macho energy.....we might have to drink at my place though, so we don't get "busted", LOL
October 5th, 2006 at 3:35 pmva-gin-ia monologues…rotflmao
Comment by tom+baker
to paraphrase from Risky Business:
If ya can't spell it...ya can't do it.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:37 pm[...] ThinkProgress.com reports that several high profile right wing blogs have “outed” the name of one of Rep. Foley’s victims. An obscure right-wing blogger, Wild Bill, has outed one of Mark Foley’s victims, a former Congressional page. It is a despicable act. Wild Bill however, gets almost no traffic, so the damage done to the victim’s life could have been minimal. [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 3:40 pmwoo-hoo - now we got vag-i-ana - i think ol' what's his face has a fear of female genitalia, and that makes me REALLY horny!!
October 5th, 2006 at 3:40 pmraven…
man you liberals never fail to show how stupid you are.
retard, if you would bother to read the thread you would see that it was little old tom baker that was whining and crying like a pig about someone else using labels, but the rat used a label against me. See the hypocrisy?
little old tom baker asked me not to use labels against him and in the same paragraph he used a label against me.
It is you liberals that cry about being labeled and yet you dont’ mind labeling those you disagree with.
I know that intelligence is not your forte.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells — October 5, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
so to show your righteous rage about him labelling you, you...*gasp*, label him?
bravo. if that is intelligence in your world, i'd rather be a jellyfish.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:40 pmpeace.
for the record, the only "vagiana" I embrace belongs to my wife. you just keep bringin' 'em on though, whatsyerface, i want you to tell me all the other stuff you "know" about me
October 5th, 2006 at 3:43 pmraven,
you honestly believe that Lolita, the VM are beautiful works of art?
so you think that pedophile show as art in a theater is a beautiful work of art?
my goodness you guys are truly sick.
there is no difference between you, Studds, and Mark Foley.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells — October 5, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
what great lies...
October 5th, 2006 at 3:44 pmanything that talks about pedophilia is not an endorsement of it. this is a very simple concept. don't blame me if this concept is too hard for you. now go and defend your non-literary, real life pedophile.
Nice to see the traffic to that right wing blog is falling faster than the ratings at Fox news.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:46 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells,
I was unaware the ABC, NYT, WP, NBC, etc. had a copy of the e-mails and sat on them. Can you post a link to that info? I would be happy to broaden my outrage.
Still waiting.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:47 pmComment by zenpig — October 5, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
No, your point was that Clinton did it too. But you were wrong. End of discussion. STFU.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:48 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells = brain dead. Consider yourself dismissed.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:50 pmraven…
oh my goodness, you are beyond stupid…
let me spell it out for you, let me bring it down for your simple brain…
I don’t care if you use labels, that is a stupid left wing stupidity. Labels need to be used to describe people.
on the other hand, my young buck…
tommy boy was crying about me using labels to describe him. He claimed that using labels makes one sound as a simpleton, but the idiot himself used a lable against me.
get it now, my slow, retarded liberal?
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells — October 5, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Wow. More righteous outrage over labels expressed by more labels. Haha. what a simpleton you are.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:51 pm*label
*vagina
peace.
whatgreatliesthelefttells,
I was unaware the ABC, NYT, WP, NBC, etc. had a copy of the e-mails and sat on them. Can you post a link to that info? I would be happy to broaden my outrage.
Still waiting.....
October 5th, 2006 at 3:53 pm....and waiting...
Instapundit never linked to the site that did the outing. And when he linked to Roger L. Simon and Pajamas Media, he didn't inform readers that there was this information to be found there. Those sites did link to it, but Simon didn't mention specifically what the story was, either. PJM did link, though it was one of a dozen or so links in a round-up about the case.
I think Judd is overplaying his hand here.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:53 pmThis pedophile scandal is great. The wingbats don't know whether to shit or go blind. LOL.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:56 pmFoxnews just hit a new bottom?
Who repeatedly mis-identified Foley as a democrat?
Fox.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:57 pmSeriously, how can anyone call him or herself a Republican with a straight face these days? How embarassing.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:58 pmIf everyone will please turn your GOP Playbook to page 132, we will discuss
"The Art of Completely Changing the Subject."
Today, we'll focus on how to go from a conservative blog outing someone to discussing a play that has absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely related to the subject at hand.
And, yes, this will be on the test.
Sheesh ...
October 5th, 2006 at 3:59 pmSomeone is swinging at strawmen again:
You are such a great hypocrite, that you are too stupid and slow to see the great hypocrisy of embracing the Vagiana Monologues which presents a 13 year old having sex with an adult and then turning around and attacking Foley.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells
All republicans support selling weapons to terrorists, because that's what Reagan did, correct?
October 5th, 2006 at 4:00 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells,
I was unaware the ABC, NYT, WP, NBC, etc. had a copy of the e-mails and sat on them. Can you post a link to that info? I would be happy to broaden my outrage.
Still waiting…..
….and waiting…
....and waiting....
Oh, ok you can just tell me you were wrong. I am tired of this.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:01 pmeusou,
October 5th, 2006 at 4:02 pmWhen you can actually make an argument let me know.
seriously, how can anyone with any type of education call thesmelves a Democrat this days?
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells
Comic Gold!
October 5th, 2006 at 4:05 pmwhatgreatliesthelefttells,
It's ok. I understand. You don't know how to link web addresses...or there is no such info. mmmmm.
Nice way to prove your point. I have found no such proof on the matter you brought up. So please educate us all lowly liberals. Link it.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:07 pmObviously, whatgreatliesthelefttells education didn't include reading comprehension. Too stupid or lazy to edit a one sentence comment! Pathetic! Just like your argumentation.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:08 pmLink it.
Comment by dlet — October 5, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
When Hasterts fly!
October 5th, 2006 at 4:10 pmdlet,
I really do not want to get into this but WGLTLT is right:
href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/03/america/NA_GEN_US_Congressman_Resigns.php">
This whole thing stinks to hell.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:12 pmdlet,
are you honestly this lazy? are you truly so unwilling to educate yourself?
It is out there the fact that ABC, NBC, Foxnews, the New York Times, Washington POst, etc received the e-mails at least a year ago. Taht is a fact.
you are way too lazy to educate yourself. how sad.
I will not educate you for free, you lazy liberal. stop begging for an education and do it on your own.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells — October 5, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
translation: I don't have squat and in true right-winger fashion, all my mistakes must be blamed on somebody else's liberalism
October 5th, 2006 at 4:14 pmbravo you simpleton.
a right wing blog picked up on the name that ABC put up on their site and ran with it.
so please if you are going to be outraged aat the right wing site, also be outrage at ABC.
liberals and their selective outrage.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells
So ABC's mistake equals this bloggers' intentional outing in your eyes?
You were saying something about selective outrage?
October 5th, 2006 at 4:20 pmClayburn9,
Thanks but the article states this and only this about news organizations:
Meanwhile, Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.
"Our decision at the time was ... that because the language was not sexually explicit and was subject to interpretation, from innocuous to 'sick,' as the page characterized it, to be cautious," said Tom Fiedler, executive editor of the Herald. "Given the potentially devastating impact that a false suggestion of pedophilia could have on anyone, not to mention a congressman known to be gay, and lacking any corroborating information, we chose not to do a story."
No mention of NYT, WP, NBC, etc......only The Herald, and the St. Petersburg Times and FOX.
So my request for a link to the NYT, WP, NBC still stands....
October 5th, 2006 at 4:23 pmRight or wrong, who cares - it's hurting the GOP, and that's all that matters. The Revoltionaries used guerilla tactics vs. King George's armies, and they created the USA we love. If guerilla tactics rid us of the fanatics under Pres. George now, then Huzzah! for guerilla tactics, for restoring the USA we love.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:24 pmUm ... if you can show me my "outrage" I'd love to see it.
Just pointing out the fact that you have managed to completely obfuscate the issue at hand by bringing up things only tangentially related to the subject, or that has no bearing on the subject whatsoever.
You are truly a master of the trollish arts. They should name a building over at Wingnut University for you. Or something.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:25 pmComment by zenpig — October 5, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
October 5th, 2006 at 4:28 pmWhen you can be articulate, I will.
Comment by whatgreatliesthelefttells — October 5, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
October 5th, 2006 at 4:29 pmYou were dismissed, braindead.
So ABC’s mistake equals this bloggers’ intentional outing in your eyes? - I would bet cash money that ABC's site is more trafficked than Wild Bill's and the Pajama Media's combined. I have no doubt that if the situation were factionaly inverse, you would see the persons name splayed across every Liberal blog website on the 'Net.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:31 pmdlet, I thought I had it. I remember reading it also though. I am still looking.
Also, Drudge has a recent post saying that the IM page was doing it as a joke and would share it with his friends.
Say what you want about Drudge, he is normally right on the "breaking news" . He is connected.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:32 pmThe Revoltionaries - LOL thats either intentioned or just a mistype. On this site its hard to tell.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:34 pmClayburn9,
October 5th, 2006 at 4:39 pmIf the newspapers were sent the e-mails and they did nothing I would find it horrific that they would sit on such info. If they were worried about accussing a man falsey on uncorroborated evidence then they should have sent it at least to authorities that could follow up. But without knowing how much the newspapers knew and what they did exactly.....who knows. As for the facts right now...there are Repubs that knew exactly what was going on have said so....admitted it. There ae also ones that have been pointed out as knowing everything and denying it. They had the info and the means to stop it. They did nothing. The newspapers should worry about being libel for misinformation but could have done more.
#241 - deduct points from me - it was a typo, though it would apply well to the Republicans who swept Congress in '94, on the wings of lies, innuendo, and other forms of monkey poo.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:45 pmdlet,
I agree totally. The problem is that the emails were "overly friendly" (according to my previous link) but not of a sexual nature. Not sure what that means but supposedly that is why the newspapers did not run with it.
Now if this other guy was of legal age (16 in Florida and DC) and was, in fact, screwing with Foley just to make his friends laugh (I was 16 once and did some pretty crappy stuff not this bad though) this could be the end of the issue. Might also explain why he hired McVeigh's attorney. That is the one peice that does not fit into this puzzle. The Drudge Report might be right.
Personally, politicians are politicians. I don't trust a lot of them, regardless of party affiliations. As Charles Barkley once said "I was a Republican until they lost their mind". This issue plus about a million others have turned me away from them. But there are as many problems in the Democrat area too. I am confused and sit back and read both the left and the right blogs. I agree and disagree with both.
Flip a coin and the next scandal with present itself. Heads it Demos tails it the Repubs.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:52 pmHmmm.
"Scandal blowing up in liberal's faces in 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... 5 ... "
lol.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:02 pmClayburn9,
Now if this other guy was of legal age (16 in Florida and DC) and was, in fact, screwing with Foley just to make his friends laugh (I was 16 once and did some pretty crappy stuff not this bad though) this could be the end of the issue.
Let's get back to basics here. The kids are not being accused of anything here. If they were playing a prank then it was a prank on their part. Foley was actively participating in sexually predatory conversations with minor(s). That is the case here. Also the Repubs knew about it and did nothing. If it was just a prank on the kids part it should not be the end of it.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:03 pmRe: comment #1, "Why do Republicans hate children so much?"
Republicans don't hate children. If anything, this Foley scandal proves that: Republicans love children.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pmdlet,
October 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pmTrust me. I agree. If some scum sucking pig tried to talk to my kid like that the only cover up would be the zipping of the body bag. Guys like this need to die. They are a cancer of society. But, since he was of legal age, is this a crime? Morally-no doubt, I mean legally.
I am in no way defending this guy. But at least he is out of office. Thank God.
If there was no crime then there could be no cover up.
If it is a crime, in the eyes of the law, then I hope they nail all of these pigs together.
I will bet serious money there are other Repubs and Demos that are sweating that one of their former pages does not come forward.
Make sense?
I don't know what all the fuss is about. Me and alot of my buddies in the bible loved hooking up with young chicks. Clark (of Lewis and Clark) was engaged to a 15 year old. He was cool. Instead of fretting about Mark Foley, you should all be thrilled to learn the age of consent in many states is 16. Get out there and live a little.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:18 pmHEY Ed - tell us all what you mean when you use that word "liberal"? Seriously. Define it, then explain, without paraphrasing your pundits, how you think it applies here, to any of these people. The scandal is that there are 30-odd% of people in this Country who support the utter failure who is "President", and would gladly gut the Constitution to assuage their fear of turr. Are you calling Richard Viguerie a liberal? Are you calling all the other Republicans who have defected and called bullshit on this ongoing crminial enterprise liberals? I'm sure they'd enjoy hearing that from you face-to-face, but of course that stands no chance of ever happening, you'll be safely locked away in your bomb shelter, ducking and covering, because you are not a conservative or a liberal, you are a coward.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:26 pmRepublicans don't hate children. In fact, they love them--perhaps a bit too much, and they feel a desperate need to force their love on children.
Some people call this pedophilia, but they don't understand. The real problem is alcoholism, the old Demon Rum.
When you're cruising congressional page sites looking for hot young boys, the last thing you need is a rum-soaked brain prompting impure thoughts.
That was Mark Foley's problem, and now it's becoming a problem for the entire Republican congress. All those bribes and corruption have to come from somewhere, and we know it can't be s=a simple matter of unbridled greed and ambition. It must be Demon Rum working his evil magic on them, too.
Give it up, Republicans. Throw off that Demon Rum, and save our country!
October 5th, 2006 at 5:36 pm[...] Pajamas Media, Instapundit Facilitate Outing Of Foley Victim [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 5:49 pm[...] House ethics panel to subpoena documents WASHINGTON - The House ethics committee on Thursday launched an investigation of a congressional page sex scandal that has imperiled Republican election prospects, approving dozens of subpoenas for documents and testimony.Foley Scandal: Midday Blog Blitz Boehner, Hastert blame Foley victims (AmericaBlog). . . “Gay conspiracy” meme starting up to defend GOP leaders’ inaction (TPM). . . Rep. Shimkus: “What do you want me to do? Take off my shirt and give myself 40 lashes?” (Think Progress). . . Cheney: It “makes no sense” for Hastert to resign (Think Progress). . . One Foley teen may have been 18 at the time of nasty IMs(Wonkette, Instapundit). . . Righty Blogs “Out” Foley Victim (Think Progress). . . Righty blog outing of Foley victim was wrong (Michelle Malkin). . .Some back story and supposition on Kirk Fordham (TPM). . . An array of Foley pics (Wonkette). . . Foley emails were classic examples of predatory behavior (Think Progress) [...]
October 5th, 2006 at 5:52 pmFolks, beware.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Rove is playing rope-a-dope with us.
October 5th, 2006 at 6:58 pmCome on...you have got to be kidding me. Rove is not that stupid, and we shouldn't be so afraid of him that when such a far-reaching scandal that strikes the heart of the Republican leadership and its voting base hits that we worry how it's going to hurt Democrats.
I don't mean to be (Tony Snow) glib, but should we also be worrying that Rove is orchestrating the chaos in Iraq?
October 5th, 2006 at 7:10 pmThis thing is bad and if it was my teenage son I would be carrying a rope to Washington or Florida. But while the Democrats are hollering loud and clear that the Republicans knew and said nothing we must remember that many Democrats knew also and said nothing until it was close to the election. Both parties are more interested in power and votes than in 'doing the right thing"
October 5th, 2006 at 7:50 pmThis thing is bad and if it were my teen age son I would be demanding some big changes. We all need to face reality here. Some Republicans knew earlier and said nothing. But some Democrats knew earlier also and said nothing until it was close to an election. Both parties are more interested in votes and power than in protecting anyone but themselves
October 5th, 2006 at 7:54 pmWhatgrealiesthelefttells, My take on your comments is that no one should say anything about a pedophile who headed a committee designed to protect the very people that were his victims. This man sat in this chair for years while Republican leadership knew about his ongoing perversion. They refused to take any measure of action against him because political power was more important to them than being morally and ethically responsible.
You are defending them and feigning moral outrage at something individual Democrats did in the past to bolster your defense You sound as much like an enabler as the Republican leadership.
Your much vaunted Republicans as you may recall pandered to every morally indignant crackpot in the country to get themselves elected. They have posed as the representatives of the "moral majority"(Agnew doublespeak). As far as I can see these bottom feeders are as far from morality as can be. They enable torture, arrest and captivity without charges, due process of law, legal representation, or even communication. They have destroyed our tripartate form of governance by creating a unitary imperial presidency without checks or balances. they have started an aggressor preemtive war by winning public support through means of telling lies and promoting alarmist fear, and conflating everything and everybody they want to destroy or get out of the way with "terrorism". They have pretty much destroyed any privacy we once enjoyed under protection of the law. They have a complete disregard for the environment or the health of the public. They have all but bankrupted the country by stealing the publics hard earned tax money and giving it to their partisan big corporate buddies by way of no bid contracts. They have alienated the vast majority of the worlds population to point where they consider us not as the protectors of freedom or the light of democracy but as morally bankrupt imperial lunatics bent on world domination or world destruction. The world rightfully sees us as the causus belli of terrorism.
How many civil rights are you willing to abrogate in the Republican slimefest of power. What would be a heinous enough act by a Republican to turn you off. Nothing apparently. You are a hypocrite and an enabler of the most corrupt criminal conspiracy this nations ever witnessed.
October 5th, 2006 at 8:33 pmNTodd:
"And protecting teenagers from predators seems pretty important… "
Of course, when a Democrat congressman actually HAS SEX with a male page, that apparently does not apply.
October 5th, 2006 at 8:43 pmDemocrat!! Liberal!!!! Conservative!!! Republicans!!! You are an idiot!!! You crack me up!!! Right Wing!!!! Left Wing!!!! You all sound like a bunch a whining brats with no more common sence then to call names.
Politicians are human, which means they are capable of being sick. The mistake is allowing people who are not mentally competant into a high political office where their illness become a national problem rather than a private matter. Once you are in office you are not about to run off for counseling for such delicate matters. Being gay isn't a illness. Hiding it, fighting against it in the name of Christianity and Right wing politics is a disgrace. Victimizing boys should land you in jail even if you do have friends in high places. And making excuses for his behavior, as if he had no control over it is an insult to the hundreds of thousands of men, women, boys and girls who have been victims of molestation but have not gone on to lead a life of crime, bnut rather took responsibility to heal.
October 5th, 2006 at 11:00 pmpretty much the reason "moonbat" fits the description of unfortunately a large segment of society....I'm curious if you ever step back and read how you describe others you don't agree with....you sound pretty sure of yourself yet there is no argument.
October 6th, 2006 at 4:30 amWhy oh why are you guys responding to that moron wgltlt? He probably hangs around outside bars waiting to expose himself to passing strangers, because no one with his level of intellect and sheer, stupid wingnuttery can ever have social relations with normal people.
Please, ignore him and if you must react to his posts, refer to him in the third person and deny him the satisfaction of anyone ever responding to him directly.
There has been a rise in troll activity across many liberal blogs of late - in their last ditch, desperate attempt to stave off the inevitable that stares in the face on Nov 8, they're thrashing about like the town drunk, trying to engage anyone in an argument or better yet, a fight, to prove how much manlier they are compared to those wimps who go fight real wars ...
Ugly as his comments are, can you imagine how much uglier, nastier and plain smellier the contents of his head are? You'd step over a pile of dog poo if you found it on the sidewalk wouldn't you? That's what's in his head - futile to argue with it, isn't it?
October 6th, 2006 at 7:09 am[...] Some of the most highly-trafficked right-wing bloggers are linking to an obscure website which has outed one of Mark Foley’s victims.read more | digg story [...]
October 6th, 2006 at 8:57 amMark Foley, Alcoholic-American...
It seems that Democrats have become the party of dipsomaniac bashing, sacrificing the victims of this unfortunate malady to their own partisan agenda, and yet offering no solutions....
October 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amPerhaps this xplains it:
October 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmDemocrats, The Party Of Values Or Opportunity?
# 265, if so, they're certain to win - look what the same strategies have done for republicans
October 6th, 2006 at 1:59 pm[...] Pajamas Media, Instapundit Facilitate Outing Of Foley Victim [...]
October 6th, 2006 at 3:23 pmTo those saying "it was ABC's fault".
Here's a quote from William Kerr himself: "He said he typed a slightly-different Web address into his browser and found a version of the transcript with the screen name."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714213/posts
This essentially means that Kerr acquired the screen name by hacking. Now, an excuse "their security was shit" is sometimes used by hackers, but probably not to a greater result than "the door was open" works for a robber or "pretty girls shouldn't go alone at night" for a rapist.
October 6th, 2006 at 5:15 pm[...] Now, the fun part — that of figuring out how much this is going to hurt the Republicans and whether there’s any conceivable way of blaming it on the Democrats or ABC instead — is only just getting started, and a small sub-fight — that of deciding which side of the blogosphere is proving itself to be the most hypocritical/opportunistic/crazy — is also bubbling away nicely. As with every other news story of the last five years, the Foley scandal exemplifies the culture of corruption imposed upon Washington by a power-mad Bush administration, while simultaneously revealing the tragic consequences of the heathen licentiousness promoted by Democrats across this great land. Also, there has to be something here that can be blamed on Glenn Reynolds: There are other sites, large and small, that have linked to Wild Bill as well — that’s also wrong. We won’t be providing links to any of these posts. [...]
October 8th, 2006 at 10:43 pm[...] OCTOBER 4, 2006 — Right-wing blogger Wild Bill outs a former congressional page. Roger L. Simon of Pajamas Media and Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit link to the post. [ThinkProgress, 10/5/06] [...]
October 11th, 2006 at 2:46 pm[...] Page Summary: Just so you know, there are other important things to talk about. Then, maybe they will be able to connect the governing style and goals of the Republicans demonstrated in this incident with those of all the other, more important issues. Glenn, who oozes integrity from every pore, would never condone such activity. Republicans have worked against preventing discrimination against gays at the State level for years.read more | digg story [...]
October 27th, 2006 at 4:25 am