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Wes Clark on Bush…
“If you just add up the scorecard of where we are; we are not winning the war on terror. There are twice as many terrorists now as there were on 9/11, North Korea and Iran are increasing threats, and U.S. Armed Forces are exhausted and bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
“That’s not a prescription for victory, it’s a prescription for failure.”
“George Bush has said stay the course. How can you stay the course when you are in a ditch?”
Clark is a gift to the Democratic Party and hope he runs for Pres in 2008 because he will win !
October 7th, 2006 at 3:44 pmIt’s almost as if Americans were tired of the lies and Kissinger was a t the controls. Oh, wait…
At or below 40% for this long = forced resignation.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:46 pmHow low can you go, Senor Bush?
Here’s a little All Halllows’ Eve decoration theme for a cardboard grave stone for your front lawn from now to the Daily of Flushing (Nov. 7):
Bush/GOP
Fascism
2000 - 2006
R. I. P.
Cheers.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:46 pm33 at 3:33
gotta love it!
October 7th, 2006 at 3:49 pmWhy does the GOP hate 67% of America?
October 7th, 2006 at 3:51 pmIt seems as though the so-called ‘values ‘ voters wouldn’t abandon Bush if they caught him whoring Barbara out to his corporate freinds for favors.
I tell ya’ll one thing. I’ve just about given up on these 33%. I meet them on the streets and ask them if they voted for Bush, and naturally these same people will tell me that they don’t like George Bush just so they can keep from feeling stupid. These are the same people who always try to avoid directly talking to me when I engage in politics-based conversations with them.
These are the people who try to shrug off any criticism of the GOP simply by saying “All politicians are bad to begin with so it doesen’t really matter who you vote for.” What they are really saying is “I’m never going to admit that the Conservative faction of the GOP is at the center of the problem in modern American politics because then I have to give up my perceived moral highground.” They all go to church on Sundays and listen to a pastor who was installed by a Conservative movement front group called The Institutes on Religion and Democracy (Don’t let the name of this organization fool you. They are using Orwellian propaganda.), and by the end of the day these fake preachers like Pat Robertson have their followers so full of shit that they can’t possibly discern reality from fiction.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:53 pmIt’s the perfect Christmas gift for the entire world: a politically neutered Bush.
October 7th, 2006 at 4:03 pm“Newsweek magazine reports that 33% of Americans are brain-dead.”
October 7th, 2006 at 4:03 pmWhere’s Exley to tell us how Bush is winning the public’s opinion on Iraq?? Hee hee.
October 7th, 2006 at 4:04 pmWatch Countdown, MSNBC, Monday night 8 and 12 — Keith Olbermann will be talking about what Congress passed right before they went home to lie to their constituentcy: HR6166
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) There are 2 versions of Bill Number HR6166 for the 109th Congress … Military Commissions Act of 2006 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)[HR6166. …
thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.6166: - 4k - Cached - Similar pages
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) HR6166 Title: To amend title 10, United States Code, to authorize trial by … Rule provides for consideration of HR 6166 with 2 hours of general debate. …
October 7th, 2006 at 4:15 pmthomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.06166: - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
http://thomas.loc.gov/ cgi-bin/ bdquery/ z?d109:h.r.06166:
October 7th, 2006 at 4:18 pmwoops! Forgot to link it!
October 7th, 2006 at 4:19 pmGuys, you really need to just forgive the Republican Party….nothing is wrong with them at all, really!!!
October 7th, 2006 at 4:21 pmNotice there are two types of CONS now
1. RATS - Jumping ship to save their own smarmy carcass
2. SHEEP - Still dining on the dung curds of a failed administration, failed foreign policy, and failed family values.
October 7th, 2006 at 4:24 pmIt looks as if you have your country half back with this news - 4 weeks to go I hope 33% stays 33% - even that 33% must realise Bush is not good for the general well being of America
October 7th, 2006 at 4:32 pmOctober Surprise?
To maintain his macho image, however, the president will also announce that the U.S. will bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities if that country refuses to stop enriching uranium within a week. He is currently laying the political groundwork for this by asserting that the Democrats would be unwilling to militarily preempt an aggressive state. The Democrats, he says, will “wait until we’re attacked again,” implying that he will strike before we are assailed. Bombing Iran will be couched in terms of eliminating that country’s ability to attack us with nuclear weapons.
Unfortunately, this tactic might work. People will see a “strong” president going after the “evil guys.” Initially the public, which sees most wars – at least until they get bloody – as the World Series or the Super Bowl, only larger, may rally around the flag. In this case, there will be no messy street fighting or IEDs (improvised explosive devices). The bombing will likely produce few if any casualties. The public will support the Republicans, and the president will get a servile Congress again. He will, of course, lose the support of Europeans, not just the “old” ones, but the “new” ones as well. I doubt seriously that Tony Blair will be able to support him in such a bombing campaign, but then the president has shown that he doesn’t care what other nations think.
As long as he holds off on using nuclear weapons during the bombing, Bush can threaten Iran that, if it retaliates, either by sending missiles against Israel or by trying to close the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. will respond with nuclear weapons. If everyone hates us already, what do we have to lose by lobbing a few nuclear missiles? Thus, he might be able to get away with the bombing without any serious repercussions, at least in the short run.
Although this is a scary scenario, it seems all too possible. I certainly hope that my forecasts here are no better than my predictions concerning the economy. Perhaps Bush will simply stay in Iraq and continue to threaten Iran; but if the threats are to be meaningful, he will feel forced to act. If so, why not now, when he needs the jolt to get the Congress he wants? Should Bush pull something like this, let us hope that the voters will see through his scheme.
October 7th, 2006 at 4:43 pmWhy does Newsweek hate our freedom?
October 7th, 2006 at 4:52 pmSay George, about that “political capital” thing. . . . How’s that working out for you?
October 7th, 2006 at 5:07 pmLet’s push for negatives here, guys!
October 7th, 2006 at 5:17 pmThere are only three things Carl, Dick, Don, Condi, and George can do now to salvage this mess that I can think of:
Most likely: 1) change the subject by attacking Iran;
2) rig the vote;
3) declare martial law.
If one and two don’t work out, who has a plan to counteract #3? I haven’t seen one.
October 7th, 2006 at 5:23 pmAnything these scoffers of what America means attempt between now and the election, be it an upgrade to the threat level or an attack on Iran, will be seen by Amercans as cynical attempts to maintain control.
October 7th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOctober 7th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
I’m listening to Bauhaus now, feeling some just-beyond-the-edge-of-explicable paranoia; some sort of glimpse as to how insanity must feel; a sense of impending doom: I really hope Republicans feel the same way. At one point I used to think my “moderate” senators Collins and Snowe were in some way what could be right about politics, but at this point it’s just time to completely clean house, and hopefully the gods and goddesses will allow the feelings implied by this latest poll to make themselves known at the ballot box next month.
October 7th, 2006 at 7:11 pmJeb Bush Seeks Refuge From PA Activists
He hid a subway closet to get away from them!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!
October 7th, 2006 at 7:23 pmI keep wondering who these 33% are and why they are so blind to what Bush has done to our country. But do you know who drives me crazy? It’s the one’s who call themselves “Independents”, but extol the virtues of the Republican party and only quote from Fox News and the Drudge Report. They claim they are “moderate”, yet are the most extreme right wing zealots. If you call them on it, they will deny and deny that they are anything but moderate independents. It’s as if they can’t face the truth of their own convictions. They almost seem as if they are brainwashed. Very scary.
Another group that drives me crazy are some of the Catholic churches who are STILL bushing for the right wing agenda. They say it’s because of the legality of abortion, yet they can’t recognize that after all these years of a Republican president and control in the House and Senate and there has been no effort to give them their coveted ban on abortion. They just don’t get it, they’re being used. Yet, they can look beyond what Foley did, how the senior citizens are being hurt with the new drug programs, the cuts in the benefits for seniors or the middle class, etc. All these people are being hurt because of those who claim they are christians, yet vote for a party that is anything but christian.
I hope we make a slam dunk in November so we can prove to those idiots that the country needs someone who actually gives a shit about them and not just their rich friends.
October 7th, 2006 at 7:40 pmOK, I just wrote a post and it didn’t show up. Let me try a test before I write another one. Testing
October 7th, 2006 at 7:43 pmYou people are so cynical! The reason that Bush’s poll numbers are down is because people want to tease him a bit before they surprise him with a 100% approval rating the day before the election!
Comment by Exlax - October 7, 2006 @ 7:45pm
October 7th, 2006 at 7:44 pmIf the elections are held, looks like both House and Senate (NJ and MO go Dem) will go Dem…
October 7th, 2006 at 7:46 pmSo will they let that happen>? It means the BushII agenda on hold, Vetoes up the gazoo, signing statements of defiance and finally the SCOTUS ruling that he’s so far out of bounds, he’s not even in the stadium!
How many are ready for the streets if the election is conveniently postponed in the name of security..??
A liberal goes to store. He buys a dozen eggs. He opens the carton and says: “Wow, look at this, 9..10..11..12 chickens. I should call up my buddies from TP for a victory BBQ.”
Good luck in November, but you won’t need it. With these poll numbers, Bush will surely not get re-elected.
October 7th, 2006 at 7:47 pmI’m surprised that he can come up with those numbers. I heard two ( 2)percent a while back. I think he is closer to the two %.
October 7th, 2006 at 7:47 pmExlax! wHAT is thAT sMELLL??
October 7th, 2006 at 7:47 pmA neocon goes to the store. He buys half a dozen eggs, then breaks one in the store and demands two dozen free from the grocer. Neocons, the cheating, lying SOBs that are ruining the good, honest people in this nation.
October 7th, 2006 at 7:57 pmGENERIC BALLOT – U.S. House of Representatives
Newsweek RV 10/5-6/06
R -38
D- 51
Other/Unsure 11
Diff 13 D
Time AV 10/3-4/06
R- 39
D-54 O/U-7
Diff 15 D
Paul, Bush isn’t running for election, just running the country into the ground. America knows it, and the neocons/republicans are going to pay for it this election.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:00 pmDamn, softy liberal eggs, anyhoo…
October 7th, 2006 at 8:03 pmFor the first time since 2001, the NEWSWEEK poll shows that more Americans trust the Democrats than the GOP on moral values and the war on terror.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:05 pmFully 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win control of Congress next month, including 10 percent of Republicans, compared to just 35 percent who want the GOP to retain power. If the election were held today, 51 percent of likely voters would vote for the Democrat in their district versus 39 percent who would vote for the Republican.
A Marine officer’s letter home:
All: I haven’t written very much from Iraq. There’s really not much to write about. More exactly, there’s not much I can write about because practically everything I do, read or hear is classified military information or is depressing to the point that I’d rather just forget about it, never mind write about it. The gaps in between all of that are filled with the pure tedium of daily life in an armed camp. So it’s a bit of a struggle to think of anything to put into a letter that’s worth reading. Worse, this place just consumes you. I work 18-20-hour days, every day. The quest to draw a clear picture of what the insurgents are up to never ends. Problems and frictions crop up faster than solutions. Every challenge demands a response. It’s like this every day. Before I know it, I can’t see straight, because it’s 0400 and I’ve been at work for 20 hours straight, somehow missing dinner again in the process. And once again I haven’t written to anyone. It starts all over again four hours later. It’s not really like Ground Hog Day, it’s more like a level from Dante’s Inferno.
This is so freakin bad.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:08 pmIn Nam we only worked sixteen hour days 6 1/2 days a week.
Let’s send the nation’s leadership to a deeper level than this soldier’s Inferno.
Why do eggs hate America?
October 7th, 2006 at 8:37 pmat 28% he gets impeached, I predict. His numbers are plummeting quickly and will continue to do so since he’s supporting Hastert’s lies (predator protectors - all of them!). A percentage point per week….so let’s see what that auspicious date is….
October 7th, 2006 at 8:48 pmI think he’s already reached the status of “lame duck” at 33% though.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:48 pmWhy do eggs hate America?
Comment by SKdeA
Ok girl, do I have to read the whole comments section to find out why you asked that question? :)
October 7th, 2006 at 8:51 pmSunday Should Be Interesting, Unless You’re a Republican
Cleaning House
Courier-Journal.com Louisville, Kentucky
http://www.courier-journal.com/ apps/ pbcs.dll/ article?AID=/ 20061007/ OPINION01/ 610070308
He (Hastert) does remember the page in the crisis management book that says, “Insist you have done nothing wrong. Claim you are the victim.”
Editorial
Norwich, Conn
NorwichBulletin
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/ apps/ pbcs.dll/ article?AID=/ 20061007/ OPINION01/ 610070338/ 1014/ OPINION
Hastert apparently valued Foley’s seat more than the well being of the teenage boys Foley pursued.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:04 pmThere’s no excuse for that.
Can it hit 29%!? Could he break the record set by Harry Truman of 22%? Cross your fingers.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:05 pmCross your fingers.
Comment by WhiffleballTony
All fingers crossed — check.
Hard to type…
October 7th, 2006 at 9:07 pmHard to type…
Comment by Zooey
Use them toes. It would be weird if he beat Harry Truman in unpopularity though, because then he’d have both the record for highest approval rating (85% after 9/11, I believe), and the lowest. So in the history books they would describe his presidency like a bomb in those cartoons. Beyooooooooow poof.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:13 pmIf you are not a registered democrat, please do not read the following–it is not meant for you.
COMING SOON at a television screen near you–a TV novel that frankly treats of such delicate subjects as political righteousness, pedophilia sex, criminal cover-ups by politicians, homosexual sex, political hypocrisy, and –oh, yes– sex. This powerful and very gripping TV special, entitled “Foley’s Follies”, was produced and
directed by that stellar Republican political in-sider Jack Abranoff, and includes outstanding performances by such illustrious players as George Walker Bush, Dennis Hastert, and John Boekner. Of course the star of the show is that darling of the Republican religious right, George Foley! I will never forget that very emotional
climactic scene, in which Her Honor Judge Ludwinsky asks George Bush–oops, I meant George Foley–”Why did you have sex with all those boys, George?” George’s reply is reminiscent of Bush’s explanation as to why he made war on Iraq. With tears in his
eyes and streaming down his face, and in a voice quivering with emotion and religious zeal, George answers, “God told me to do it–I did it all for God”.
Jack says that if this TV special is well received, he has another in mind featuring George Walker Bush, and treating of such themes as war crimes, torture, kidnapping, secret prisons, illegal wire-taps, nepotism, political corruption, election fraud, pathological dissimulation, alcoholism, etc., etc. If this is not to be, he has a back-up project in mind that is not based on an idea of his own, but rather on one of George Walker Bush. He plans to market a brand of toilet paper (”George Walker Bush Toilet Paper”) in which each sheet of toilet tissue is imprinted with a page from “The
October 7th, 2006 at 9:16 pmConstitution of the United States of America”.
So in the history books they would describe his presidency like a bomb in those cartoons. Beyooooooooow poof.
Comment by WhiffleballTony
GWB will have a special place in history, alright. An endless loop of his perp walk, for starters. And a place in Guiness Book of World Records for most asterisks by a “president’s” name.
I predict he’ll be at 29% by Nov 1, if not before.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:21 pmI predict he’ll be at 29% by Nov 1, if not before.
Comment by Zooey
I hope you’re right, but it’s taken him months to go from 35% to this. At least I think it did. He did alot of fear mongering and got his ratings back up, but it plummeted back down.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:31 pmI don’t believe polls any more than I believe Russert, Stephanopolous, Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer or any of the other frauds in the so-called liberal media (to steal a phrase from Eric Alterman). The polls are a tool for election theft. I guarantee that the polls bump up stedily in the GOP’s favor for the next three weeks. They are simply not legitimate. As predictble as dropping gaas prices.
A real surprise would be getting past the mid-term without another devestating ‘terror” event.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:37 pmSorry for all the cynicism, just callin it like I see it.
…but it plummeted back down.
Comment by WhiffleballTony
He’s getting a little “help” from his friends….
October 7th, 2006 at 9:39 pmFully 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win control of Congress next month, including 10 percent of Republicans, compared to just 35 percent who want the GOP to retain power. If the election were held today, 51 percent of likely voters would vote for the Democrat in their district versus 39 percent who would vote for the Republican. - from RUCerious
Even if those numbers are accurate, and I believe they are pretty close, broad popular support for Democrats won’t necessarily translate into electoral victories. The problems include gerrymandered districts for the House and conservative small population states for the Senate. Don’t forget that in 2004 there were about 5 million more votes cast for Democrats than were for Republicans, yet the Republicans gained 4 seats.
Nationwide, the election results won’t necessarily reflect the broad public will.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:53 pmIn the above post I meant to state that there were about 5 million more votes cast for Democrats in the Senate than there were for Republicans.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:56 pmThis is not a new low, for f@ck sake, he was in the 20’s at least once late last year and early this year.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:04 pmAnd the only reason it’s fluctuated at all is because polls aren’t worth a damn to begin with.
Bush is a lying murderer, and the people know it. Period.
Don’t need a poll for that, it’s a fact, Jack.
Look for a fix in the polls before November…compliments of Diebold.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:57 pmWhat happened to the bounce? Didn’t the pundits all say that Bush was on the upswing and all of a sudden the GOP was turning it around? I heard corks popping and champagne pouring. Hendler was gloating.
That lasted almost a whole week. What a joke those Rethugs are.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:21 pm#60 - chimpeach,
October 7th, 2006 at 11:37 pmUnfortunately, W opened his mouth.
33% Hmmm….At least that’s lower than the percent that still believe that Saddam was behind 9/11. The problem with polls, people either are too stupid to understand the question or don’t understand the choices of answers to choose from. Remember, America is slowly becoming one of the most uninformed nations in the developed world.
I partially blame America’s stupidity on TV, which of course is responsible for much of the presidential polling. Political polling from TV is just a “news” story created by the “news” department. I laugh when they call polling a science, trying to give it credence to stand along with things like biology or physics. Another giggle is that they like to state that “polls are just a snapshot in time.” Depends on length of time. Some of these political polls can take a few days to accumulate enough responses (usually about a thousand) to complete the poll. So they stretch time compared to a snapshot photograph which takes less than a second.
And who can forget the exit polling (which is supposed to be more accurate) that called 2004 Ohio for John Kerry? Polling is no science, it’s psuedo-science.
But OK, Bush is at 33%. What does that say? The only thing I can see is that 1/3 of the country worships Bush and always will. Bush could push Laura under a moving tank on live TV and 33% would find some way to justify it. Probably call the incident a liberal conspiracy.
October 8th, 2006 at 2:08 amI wish it would drop to 20% approval, but 30% is rock bottom for Bush because about 1/3 of Americans are severely brain-damaged Dubya Dunce Decider Despot lovers!
October 8th, 2006 at 3:21 amThe lower Bushco’s numbers go the more dangerous they become because if they lose control of the Government they are looking at trading seats with Saddam. There really is no telling what they might do in the next five weeks. It is a very dangerous period for the world right now.
I also believe that the private armies such as Blackstrapp and Halliburton pose a grave threat to Bushco’s enemies after they leave government. These armies are their secret to ruling various counties without having any political office.
The finances of the Bushco regime has no limit now that the have ransacked large parts to the world. In a few years I think we will see headlines where Bushco and the private armies are tide to the Afghan drug trade. If you think this is far fetched think of the Iran-Contra scheme.
October 8th, 2006 at 3:42 amPresident Bush’s approval rating, a new low, according to a Newsweek poll.
I think it is time for the Republian swan song:
http://solosong.net/pie.html
October 8th, 2006 at 8:49 amNicholas Kristof on Iraq: “…Sudan’s president is able to defy calls for international peacekeepers in Darfur because he plays on Arab fears that the U.S. plans to do to Sudan what it has done to Iraq. All over the globe, American diplomacy is hobbled because of Iraq.â€
Kristof raises an excellent point: How cme no one’s asked the Iraqis what they want and need instead of us telling them what they need?
October 8th, 2006 at 9:27 amshouldn’t lying about a country having WMDS, costing american taxpayers more than $300 Billion, deaths of innocent Iraqis, etc etc etc be grounds for impeachment, moreso than getting a head job by an intern?
see? this is why i don’t vote Democrat or Republican. I vote Green Party. The demcoracts that are in power right now are just as guilty as Bush (except Feingold) for not moving to impeach. That includes my congressman turned Democratic candidate for Senate in Tennessee, Harold Ford Jr.
October 8th, 2006 at 10:21 am..,.I vote Green Party.
please stay home this november… the country cannot afford you…
The demcoracts that are in power right now are just as guilty as Bush (except Feingold) for not moving to impeach.
Comment by banana — October 8, 2006 @ 10:21 am
how the hell do you expect a minority party to bring up articles of impeachment… you are not paying attention…
and i will not argue with you about either point… it’s just the way it is…
October 8th, 2006 at 11:31 amIt could drop into negative territory, but the country is held hostage to a criminal conspiracy in Washington put into office by the American people. Bush still has two(2)+ years to continue his mischief. By then the entire nation can be in the tank. I know his ratings are low, but the prospects of his removal and the return to power of the democrats to win a workable majority to move this country forward is highly doubtful. Anyway if this country continues on its present course domestically and internationally who in his right mind would want to try to pick up the pieces of a failed democracy.
October 8th, 2006 at 11:37 amkaty
What banana is referring to is Pelosi saying even with a majority the Dems won’t move to impeach Bush.
Also:
How dare you encourage somebody not to vote? How dare you claim that the country is better off with an apathetic mass that just point blank does not vote? It is banana’s choice who he or she votes for and how dare you claim the country would be better off without that vote?
The only wasted vote is a vote which is not cast and by the looks of it, you are encouraging banana to waste his or her vote. By following the line of “With us or with the Republicans” you are sinking to the precise same level as the Republicans do when they say “With us or with the terrorists.” If someone wants to vote independent, green, libertarian or whatever it is there choice, it is not a vote for the Republicans and it is not their failure if they don’t vote Democrat, it is the failure of the Democrats to convince that person to vote for them.
October 8th, 2006 at 12:01 pmbruce gorton from africa, please take your rightious indignation elsewhere…
i am not the only one who believes that any vote NOT democratic is a vote for republicans… that’s just how it is…
October 8th, 2006 at 12:36 pmkaty -
Bruce is right. My mom lives in MA. She, as well as many from MA are disgusted with their choices for govenor this election cycle. Instead of not voting they are going to cast their ballots for me as a write in candidate. Although it would be very cool if I won, that won’t happen. However, if enough people vote with their conscience, for the person they truly believe will do the best job for “WE THE PEOPLE,” instead of voting for the least dispicable candidate, perhaps these politicians would realize that more and more people are going to vote this way and they will get off of their lazy, corrupt asses and begin doing something for the American people.
I do not by any stretch of the imagination want the repugnuts to retain power. I also do not want people like Joe Lieberman to stay either.
October 8th, 2006 at 12:45 pmkaty
And you are not the only one who is wrong. Tell me, how is a vote for a non-Republican candidate who is not a Democrat, a vote for a Republican (Well with the exception of Joe Lieberman?) The worst case scenario is that that person’s vote is for a losing candidate, and thus doesn’t effect things one way or the other, the best? A government worth voting for.
You spend so much time discouraging from voting and then you wonder why America is lucky if it gets 50% turnout? You spend so much time blaming the frigging independents for voting for their candidates that you never take the time to look at your candidates. Stop focussing on dissing the independent vote and start arguing as to why the independent voters should vote for you, because these people do care enough to vote. Give them something to vote for, rather then against or shut the hell up with your whining when they don’t vote for you.
October 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pmBruce you are 100% correct. We may not affect change in this election cycle. Hell, it may not even be in our lifetime. But sooner or later the American people will stand for choices they believe in rather than choices they can live with.
October 8th, 2006 at 12:55 pmfirst of all - i don’t spend “so much time discouraging” people from voting - quite the opposite…
second - i am always referring to the national congressional elections, as was banana
third - i have a feeling that banana is a troll…
let me repeat:
OVERWHELMING DEMOCRATIC VOTER TURNOUT
THEY CAN’T STEAL IT IF IT’S NOT CLOSE
OVERSIGHT * CHECKS & BALANCES * THE CONSTITUTION
WIN FIRST - PURGE LATER
thank you…
October 8th, 2006 at 1:00 pmStatistical sampling can/is very accurate. Just 40 “truely random” samples can predict a fairly large population. Polling uses this method however, removing bias from the question and obtaining a “random” sample are the ptoblem. All the polls taken in the last six weeks show boy king in the low to mid 30’s.
October 8th, 2006 at 2:17 pm33 is a BIG number to Georgie, after all if he takes off his shoes, and pants he can only get to 21, so 33 is a big number to Georgie.
October 8th, 2006 at 5:22 pmWell lookie there. Americans are FINALLY waking up to the fact that this republican experiment has failed.
October 8th, 2006 at 6:06 pmI vote Green Party.
Are you serious? HAHA!
October 8th, 2006 at 7:03 pmI am sorry, but Katie is right. If you are from the left you had damn well better vote Dem. If not you are an ally of the right (that means you, Nader voters). You are absolutely nothing but spoilers. When the stakes become less high, when we don’t have the neo-cons controlling EVERYTHING, vote your “conscience”. Now, we can’t afford that luxury. Bruce Gorton, you are absolutely wrong. When a party is destroying our country and constitution you kinda hafta vote against them. When you have a bunch of fascists running your country then you have the right to tell your extremists not to vote for the opposition. Until then…you just don’t get it.
October 8th, 2006 at 10:29 pmSorry, that is Katy.
October 8th, 2006 at 10:29 pmPerhaps the 33% believe loyalty is non-negotiable.
It’s like supporting your football team even when they are going badly.
Yes, KM4 at #1, I like Wes Clark too. The Dems should have gone for him last time.
October 8th, 2006 at 11:21 pmjpark… it’s good to have some back up… appreciate it…
October 8th, 2006 at 11:52 pmat first i thought, ‘ya don’t hafta be SORRY about it’… but then i realized that even i am sorry about it…
i was looking forward to giving nader a chance, but somethings i’d learned made me realize that the bush machine was something to be dreaded… too many people didn’t know enough or care enough - i believe they just couldn’t fathom that the mighty USA would never screw-over it’s own citizens… i sure didn’t like thinking it… and it gives me no joy to know my gut was correct…
damn them all to hell, whatever it is…
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oh! damn the bushies to hell, all of them…
just to clarify…
October 8th, 2006 at 11:55 pmJPark; this is why I say “Don’t discourage independent votes, encourage Democrat votes.”
To win the election is only one step that must be taken, the greater step comes next, to rule and rule well. If the Democrats win the elections and don’t succeed in the next step it will spell doom for America, because it will speak of a true case of there being no government worthy of your vote and ultimately the cancer that has been in America’s core since the Nixon administration will complete its work, you will end up with another Bush, only this time less competent and more dictatorial.
Now Katy argues that I do not know what I am talking about, I am a South African I don’t know what is going on in America, and she is wrong. America is going through precisely what South Africa went through at the opening of Apartheid, a racial grouping being demonised, the rise of terror both as a threat and as a political tool, and the dismissal of the left. The Democrats are the official opposition party, and this is their curse, that so long as they don’t get angry, so long as they don’t fight and make themselves heard, they will continue to lose support.
Just as an example of what I am talking about: How the Nats got in power at the start of Apartheid, because they didn’t have the majority vote. They went and toured the small towns, the smaller constituencies, because you see, how the PM got elected was not based on a simple majority, but rather how many seats he could get. Bush got named Time Man of the Year for using this tactic.
The 2004 elections were not stolen by vote fraud. Ultimately, they were stolen by apathy, by the vast majority of Americans not voting, and by this philosophy of “Don’t waste your vote.†This philosophy was and is strong in South Africa, just as it is in America, with much the same results. Our ruling party, after the opposition decided to start a campaign based around “Do not weaken the opposition†took just over 66% of the seats in parliament, because those who didn’t agree with the opposition (whose economic policy is interchangeable with GW Bush’s) didn’t bother to vote.
I know in America you have a different political system whereby the states elect their representatives and it seems to be all or nothing, but you need to learn from our country and know that saying, “Don’t weaken the opposition†simply makes the opposition look weak. You need to encourage all voters to turn up, you need to have the people willing to vote and many of them, those who ordinarily wouldn’t have bothered, will vote for you. Don’t make yourselves look weaker then you are, encourage opposition, say things like “If you don’t trust me, then don’t vote for me, but if you do; know that I won’t just represent you, I will represent the whole state.â€
This is the weakness of the Republicans, they represent their voters, values voters, Christian voters, racist voters, and corporate voters, and they do not represent their whole state. Think about all of that “Us and Them†or “Some People Say†or “Some Liberals†and recognise the basic truth, the Republicans do not understand that the president represents America, not the party the president happens to belong to. Now find a way to use that.
Unite America in more then just your disgust at the Republican Party. Find solutions and make them common knowledge, it is hard work but it is possible, don’t give up. Point out that the Republicans tend to bash Democrats for what have been highly successful programs, such as social welfare. Before social welfare there was starvation in America, which led to cash in transit heists in America, and the rise of organisations like the Mafia and KKK in America. Hungry people get desperate, even in America.
The Democrats need to fight to win, and to win you need to be strong, you need to forget about left and right, you need to know all about who you are and what you stand for. If a Democrat betrays you, don’t vote for him vote independent, don’t treat the Democrats like a special case and if you are a Democrat don’t ask people to, don’t compromise, fight.
Because if you do not fight you will lose even if the Democrats win. Do not reward a weak Democrat for weak behaviour; reward the ones who stood firm against torture, and against the unilateral presidency. The worst fear any leftwing supporter should have is not the Democrats losing the elections, it is them winning, and then doing nothing. If nothing changes, what was the fight really worth?
October 9th, 2006 at 2:48 ambarfly #7
let’s give the world “the perfect gift”…
…Bushiva, L’il Dick, Woolfowitz, Rummy et. al…
…to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity…
…after we confiscate all of their families’ (and those of the warprofiteers) wealth to repay the U.S. treasury…
October 9th, 2006 at 2:49 pmBruce, I agree with everything you say…in theory. However, the green party, as much as I agree with their platform (I would probably be green if I was not a realist) are nothing but whining spoilers that enable the right wing. Until we are free of the neo-con yolk the Green party will always be an enemy as they and their misguided (or should I say mistimed) attacks on the Democratic party are nothing but a sideshow that gives the right-wing an opportunity to win. Congratulations to those who doomed us to 8 years of Bush hell. Nader was not even a good candidate. He was a hypocrite who spouted anti-corporate slogans while making money off of his Occidental oil stocks. No, Bruce, we have every right to be angry at the Green’s for electing Bush and they need to take responsibility for there idiocy.
Yes, Dems need to fight…not only the Republicans but those on the left who enable them.
October 9th, 2006 at 9:25 pmJPark
There is no guarantee that those who voted Green would have voted Democrat, they are guys who left the Democrats because they were disgusted with the Democrats. Further, if you agree with the Greens maybe you should vote for them, you call them whiners but the fact is that they are a legitimate political party expressing views you agree with.
Anyway, the trick you guys need to do is to make the disgruntled Republicans who won’t vote Democrat, vote Libertarian and you can’t do that so long as you are hell bent on maintaining a two party system. You need to neutralise the “But they did it too” defense, by making the people on the right figure “Well then we will vote for neither of you then.” There is no reason why the average conservative, can’t vote independent too.
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