North Korea’s Atomic March
North Korea’s Atomic March
North Korea says it plans to carry out a nuclear weapons test, and U.S. officials say the test may come “as early as this weekend.”
Last night, the U.N. Security Council issued a joint statement saying a nuclear test would “jeopardize peace, stability and security in the region and beyond” and “bring universal condemnation by the international community.”
It’s important to remember how we got here. Below, a basic timeline of the build-up of North Korea’s nuclear weapons. As the timeline clearly shows, virtually all of the growth of North Korea’s nuclear program has occured under conservative administrations known for their supposed “strength” on defense:
PRESIDENT REAGANMid-1980s: First signs of North Korea nuclear program detected by US intelligence. [Link]
1986: North Korea produces plutonium in reactor. [Link]
PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH1991: US begins talks with North Korea to end to nuclear program. [Link]
1992: North Korea has separated an estimated 0-10kg of weapons-grade plutonium, enough for 1 to 2 bombs.
PRESIDENT CLINTON1993: North Korea announces it will leave nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty; US prepares to attack nuclear sites. [Link, Link]
1994: Clinton Administration reaches Agreed Framework, North Korea freezes nuclear production for the next eight years. [Link]
August 1998: North Korea tests medium-range “Taep’o-dong-1″ missile. [Link]
December 1998: North Korea warns they will test another missile, but pressure from US dissuades them. [Link]
September 1999: Pyongyang agrees to long-range missile moratorium. [Link]
October 2000: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is highest ranking US official to ever meet with Kim Jong Il.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSHMarch 6, 2001: Secretary of State Colin Powell says the administration will “pick up where President Clinton left off.” [Link]
March 7, 2001: President Bush undercuts Powell, declares negotiations will take on a different tone. [Link]
January 2002: Bush labels North Korea a member of the “Axis of Evil.” [Link]
March 2003: United States invades Iraq. [Link]
April 2003: North Korea withdraws from the Non-Proliferation Treaty; soon thereafter, they restart their reactor. [Link]
April 2005: North Korea appears to unload nuclear reactor with up to another 15 kg of weapons-grade plutonium. [Link]
September 19, 2005: In six-party talks North Korea agrees to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for incentives package. [Link]
September 19, 2005: US labels bank that provides financial support for North Korean Government Agencies as “money laundering concern.” Bank freezes North Korean assets; causes collapse of September 2005 agreement. [Link]
June 2006: North Korea is believed to have now produced enough plutonium for 4 to 13 nuclear bombs. [Link]
July 2006: North Korea tests missiles: one medium-range and five short-range. Medium-range “Taep’o-dong-2 fails. [Link]
October 3, 2006: Kim Jong Il announces North Korea plans to test nuclear weapons.
October 4, 2006: North Korea asserts that nuclear test is a measure to “bolstering its nuclear deterrent as a self-defense measure.” [Link]
Mid-2008: If North Korea unloads another batch of fuel, it may have enough nuclear material for 8 to 17 nuclear bombs. [Link]
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its a shame we have no troops to do anything, they are all deployed in other fruitless wars
October 7th, 2006 at 8:28 amThe fact is that this mess could have been prevented. If the neocons want to give Clinton credit for everything that’s happened, then they should admit that Clinton had North Korea under control. Instead of continuing in the same vein of diplomacy, the Bush Regime’s egocentric approach to Foreign Policy has been horrific and not only ineffective, but dangerous and deadly.
This Administration will go down in history as the worst one in our 230 years of existence. And that might just be all we get if they keep up there fraternity boy style of governing.
Bush needs to grow the hell up and call Madeleine Albright to see if she’d be willing to start visiting Kim Jon Il again. And he should pay her out of his own pocket, because he sure isn’t earning his $400K.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:36 amJune 2006: North Korea is believed to have now produced enough plutonium for 4 to 13 nuclear bombs.
This is clearly less of a concern the the Idiot in the White House and his demented sidekicks than Iran having produced enough Plutonium to light up about 350 glow-in-the-dark wrist watches.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:40 amLook At These headlines now read them
Chinese Report: Nuclear Bomb Test ‘Just a Day Away’
UN ‘To Drop’ North Korea Sanctions Threat
US ‘Won’t Tolerate’ Nuclear North Korea
US: ‘We’re Not Going to Live With a Nuclear N. Korea’
October 7th, 2006 at 9:16 amClinton also vowed he wouldn’t attack the DPRK – or any other NPT-signatory – with nukes so long as they remained a NPT-signatory.
UNTIL BUSH
US Is the Sole “No†Vote on This Treaty
For the non-use of nuclear weapons vs. non-nuclear states
NO WONDER NK DROPS OUT OF NPT AND GOES IT ALONE
October 7th, 2006 at 9:21 amBUSH IS A COMPLETE GAY WANKING NEOCON
Clinton also vowed he wouldn’t attack the DPRK – or any other NPT-signatory – with nukes so long as they remained a NPT-signatory.
So, when Bush-Cheney-Bolton came to power, the Koreans were certified to have not diverted any “special fissionable materials” to a military purpose.
So, Bush couldn’t nuke them.
Well, that would never do.
So, in his 2002 State of the Union Address, Bush said:
“Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction.
“Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature.
“North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.
“States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.”
Then, in October 2002, Anonymous [I] told media sycophants that Anonymous [II] “admitted” to him at a cocktail party that DPRK had a clandestine uranium-nuke program.
Never mind that the DPRK vehemently denies to this day having any such program. Or that our intelligence community doesn’t have the foggiest notion where this clandestine uranium-nuke program might be.
Bush promptly ceased fuel oil shipments, thereby unilaterally abrogating the Agreed Framework.
That caused the DPRK to withdraw from the NPT and resume their nuclear programs – only this time they announced they intended to divert their weapons-grade plutonium to a military purpose.
SEE JUST HOW DANEROUS BUSH IS – Come November get the Maniac impeached and shipped to jail
October 7th, 2006 at 9:24 amHe is the biggest threat to manking ever
Bush’s Gift to Jong Il
Clinton also vowed he wouldn’t attack the DPRK – or any other NPT-signatory – with nukes so long as they remained a NPT-signatory.
So, when Bush-Cheney-Bolton came to power, the Koreans were certified to have not diverted any “special fissionable materials” to a military purpose.
So, Bush couldn’t nuke them.
Well, that would never do.
So, in his 2002 State of the Union Address, Bush said:
“Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction.
“Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature.
“North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.
“States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.”
Then, in October 2002, Anonymous [I] told media sycophants that Anonymous [II] “admitted” to him at a cocktail party that DPRK had a clandestine uranium-nuke program.
Never mind that the DPRK vehemently denies to this day having any such program. Or that our intelligence community doesn’t have the foggiest notion where this clandestine uranium-nuke program might be.
Bush promptly ceased fuel oil shipments, thereby unilaterally abrogating the Agreed Framework.
That caused the DPRK to withdraw from the NPT and resume their nuclear programs – only this time they announced they intended to divert their weapons-grade plutonium to a military purpose.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:27 am350 glow-in-the-dark wrist watches.
Comment by unbelievable
That’s some scary shit, man…
I don’t think the sheeple are buying the sword rattling this time. At least I hope not.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:54 amIt’s really too bad that they stopped looking for WMDS. I mean, how great would it have been for Bush to say, right before the November elections, “Ah HA! We got them! They were in North Korea!”
October 7th, 2006 at 10:00 amNorth Korea is truly a dangerous country. Bush’s fiasco in Iraq has needlessly tied down our military, gutting any realistic threat of us mounting a conventional war against North Korea (or Iran, for that matter). They know it, and have been thumbing their noses at us with impunity.
Bush is a little boy, a cruel, immature little momma’s boy, and while he has been breaking his toys in Iraq, a danger that he can’t begin to comprehend has steadily risen behind his back. Apparently Bush’s supporters, many of whom seem to think that the U.S. is surrounded by a giant, hostile single-minded country called “Islamistan”, can’t figure it out either, as they continue to blindly support Bush and his catastrophic foreign policy blunders. But if you are STUPID enough to put stock in meaningless phrases like “we’re fighting them over there (you know, in Islamistan) so we don’t have to fight them on our front lawns” then I suppose you are stupid enough to believe that Bush is making the world a safer place.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:07 amThat’s some scary shit, man…
They should make a scary movie about it…
I don’t think the sheeple are buying the sword rattling this time. At least I hope not.
Comment by Zooey — October 7, 2006 @ 9:54 am
If it helps, my students are calling Bush a bad president for the most part. A few still defend him (but they the ones who aren’t passing my class because they are too lazy to do their assignments, so I really don’t expect them to be so productive as to do any research and find out the truth).
It doesn’t get much redder than the deep south. I only see a W sticker on rare occasions now. 6 years ago – they were EVERYWHERE…
October 7th, 2006 at 10:09 amFolks, we had better be scared on this one. Remember NK’s recent failures launching ballistic missles…a failure here could be disasterous. Safety does not seem to be one of their concerns.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:10 amIslamistan… to quote Zoo – *snort* :)
October 7th, 2006 at 10:11 amKim Jong Il is just a spoiled brat who wants attention. You can send him a pretty American lady once a month to appease his puerile needs, or he can make nukes.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:14 amThanks, unbelievable. *snort*(TM)
October 7th, 2006 at 10:19 amWow, ‘“jeopardize peace, stability and security in the region and beyond†and “bring universal condemnation by the international community.‒ You mean, kind of what the US has accomplished by invading and occupying Iraq?
America, meet the kettle. Yes, it’s black.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:19 amunbelievable,
The deadly combination is GWB and Kim Jong Il.
GWB’s obsession with outdoing his daddy in Iraq has cost this country the chance of having much standing in diplomatic negotiations, and has broken down our military in the wrong war.
The sheeple cower in their beds, frightened of the evil Middle Eastern types, and they don’t even realize the more serious threat from NK.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:24 am*snort*(TM)
Comment by Zooey — October 7, 2006 @ 10:19 am
I suppose you’ll be expecting royalties now???
October 7th, 2006 at 10:34 am“Islamofascists” won’t work any more. The religion of North Korea:
Looks like we how have to go after Buddafascists and Extreme Confucianism.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:35 amI suppose you’ll be expecting royalties now???
Comment by unbelievable
F*ck, yeah!
Like I always tell my boys, I’m the queen around here, and I’ve got two gold crowns to prove it. :)
October 7th, 2006 at 10:36 amLooks like we how have to go after Buddafascists and Extreme Confucianism.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
That one will keep me laughing all day!
Someone should say those words in the vicinity of GWB, he’ll use them in his next speech — sort of like the human-animal hybrid thing…
October 7th, 2006 at 10:40 amNothing can be done to stop North Korea unless Bush wants to bomb them setting off a nuclear war! NK has enough nukes to destroy South Korea and to cripple Japan too! A war with NK would result in the deaths of every last American soldier on the DMZ and probably result in millions of Koreans in North and South slaughtered!
October 7th, 2006 at 10:41 amThe sheeple cower in their beds, frightened of the evil Middle Eastern types, and they don’t even realize the more serious threat from NK.
Comment by Zooey — October 7, 2006 @ 10:24 am
I slammed Bushie in my first post, and realized I didn’t slam Kimmie enough.
The two are like a couple of three-year-olds fighting over mommie’s attention. They both need a good spanking.
Frankly, I think Bush hates his father because he has an Oedipus Complex… So he went to Iraq to do what he thought his father couldn’t do, rather than the reality of what his smarter father wouldn’t do. Bush Senior predicted this quagmire and though he screwed over the Iraqi people who started to revolt, he decided not to screw over the American people with a Vietnam Part 2.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:42 amLooks like we how have to go after Buddhafascists and Extreme Confucianism.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — October 7, 2006 @ 10:35 am
Good one… and because it’s far more ridiculous than the original concept of Islamofascists, the neocons are certain to adopt it.
They lump all other religions, including different sects of tehir own (i.e. Catholics), into one group: Devil Worshippers who are going to a fictious hell…
October 7th, 2006 at 10:46 amWhile it’s true that Bush completely abandoned the Agreed Framework, logistically and economically speaking, we were faltering on our promises during Clinton’s terms. Diplomacy means keeping your promises. It’s a shame it’s come to this.
October 7th, 2006 at 10:51 am
Condi said that a North Korean nuclear test would be “a very provocative act.” Can’t you see her saying this to Bush in her in her dominatrix outfit with her spiked-heel leather boots? I wsh that she and George would stop using war as a stage for their very Freudian love affair.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:04 amDoes anyone out there still think the maniacal neocons couldn’t have perpetrated 911? What do they have to do in order to prove how evil they are? Invade poland? (Iraq) Build concentration camps? (FEMA detention camps), Create a police state? (Military Commisions act)
October 7th, 2006 at 11:07 amSeems the differences in policy are evident. I can see both sides. I prefer Clinton’s approach, but was it merely just putting off the inevidable? I’m not sure on that one either. What would you do as the President? Sounds like a reeeaaallly hard job.
Bush’s “zero tolerance” approach will only enflame the situation.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:10 amGood morning, Ladies! Hoping all is well with you both! Zooey, I hope you are feeling better today. We never realize how much we use the parts of our bodies, until we can’t do it. Frustrating as hell! I have not been ‘all that’ myself lately. Finally got into my Cardiologist, no big deal, just carrying aroud about 10 extra liters of fluid, EKG says I had a heart attack, didn’t feel it though, and I MIGHT need a pacemaker, if the new meds don’t do the trick. Sure explains why I’ve been feeling like sh*t lately. :0 Zoo, are there any asian markets where you live? There is this stuff, called “White Flower Oil” It is great for sore muscles, and helps with headaches too, you just rub a few drops into your temples, and wait. It has a VERY strong eucalyptus scent to it, but if you can handle that, it’s really great stuff, and won’t leave you with ‘medicine head’. Oh, and for sore muscles, apply to sore spot!
October 7th, 2006 at 11:12 amPlease remind me again why anyone should give f*ck about whether the NK blows stuff up or not?
On the porky side, isn’t this additional fuel for the technologically misguided and engineeringly challenging (to say the least) Bushist ‘anti-ballistic missile defense’ program?
October 7th, 2006 at 11:15 amWhere the hell are the good people from the other side of the aisle?
October 7th, 2006 at 11:16 amlast night on maher, talking about whether n.korea will test a nuke –
as ROBIN WILLIAMS said “or a million people go ‘BOOM’!”
it was good to laugh…
October 7th, 2006 at 11:23 amDoes anyone out there still think the maniacal neocons couldn’t have perpetrated 911? What do they have to do in order to prove how evil they are?
Comment by SmackTalk — October 7, 2006 @ 11:07 am
I don’t doubt that they are corrupt enough. They just aren’t smart or competant enough. Everything they’ve ever done has failed. No way they would have pulled of something as complicated as 9/11. They simply aren’t capable of suceeding at anything they do.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:25 amisn’t this additional fuel for the…Bushist ‘anti-ballistic missile defense’ program?
Comment by El+Tonno — October 7, 2006 @ 11:15 am
exactly… gotta look after the big donors… military industrial complex…
October 7th, 2006 at 11:26 amWhat would you do as the President?
Comment by ForTruth — October 7, 2006 @ 11:10 am
What Clinton was doing. If it ain’t broke – don’t fix it…
Kimmie is just a temper tantrum. Personal attention fixes it. That’s what Clinton gave him. It worked. I say go with that until it stops working, and then send two diplomats instead of one. The guy can’t live forever, and it’s far cheaper to send people to be his faux friends than to wage a war.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:27 amEKG says I had a heart attack, didn’t feel it though, and I MIGHT need a pacemaker, if the new meds don’t do the trick. Sure explains why I’ve been feeling like sh*t lately. :0
Comment by CyraBrown — October 7, 2006 @ 11:12 am
Holy crap! Glad you aren’t like your mother when it comes to doctor visits. Glad you caught the problem before it got worse… So sorry to hear that! Hope you’ll be feeling better soon. Please keep us posted.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:30 amIn 2000, Donald Rumsfeld was a director for Zurich based engineering firm ABB when they won a $200 million contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea. ABB provided two light water reactors pursuant to the agreement … Rumsfeld left in 2001 to accept his current position as Secretary of Defense.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:35 amSeoul ready to discuss US troops reduction
US President George W. Bush’s announcement of plans to pull 60,000 to 70,000 troops out of Europe and Asia confirmed the US troops partial pullout from South Korea, commented the South Korean Yonhap News Agency on Tuesday.
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North Korea calls for US troop pulloutNORTH Korea called today for the withdrawal of US forces stationed in South Korea, a day after it announced it would carry out a nuclear test.
“The US occupational forces in the South are putting spurs on warlike forces there while blocking the improvement of North-South relations by raising tension by reckless, provocative military drills,†said Rodong Sinmun, the official daily of the ruling communist party.
“It is our nation’s persistent resolve and intention to force the US invasion forces to leave the South,†it said in a commentary.
Some 29,500 US troops are stationed in the South to help 650,000 South Korean soldiers face up to North Korea’s 1.2 million-strong army.
“The occupation of the South by US invasion forces is the prime obstacle to the reunification of the country,†the daily said.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:42 amUnbelievable, I am coming to the opposite conclusion. Their only failure I note is their lack of complete control over the past, although I do note times when they try to re-write the past. Other than that, they are well on the way to creating an Orwellian society. Consolidation of power in a unitary executive: success. Ignoring the rule of law: success. A war meant to be fought, but not won: success. One Party Rule: success. Control of the people through fear: success. Increasing the disparity between the haves and the have-nots: success. The list goes on.
If certain people in our own government orchestrated 9/11, then there are people out there who know the truth, who helped plan and/or carry out the operation. All I can say for now is, the more I research, the more disconcerted I get, and the less I buy the official stories. Some things just don’t add up. I used to think, “no way.” Now I think it is possible, even likely. And I continue to pray that those who know of the crimes of this Administration come forward with testimony and evidence to shed light on the wrongdoing.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:45 amThe Magical Atom Bomb…
The title of this post comes from the Digg article that made me stop and think about the whole scenario.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:49 amIf you haven’t been under a rock for the past decade, you’ll know N. Korea has had some “issues” with the world at large. N…
Oh my god, Cyra! Who cares about my stupid muscle!? You had a heart attack, holy shit.
10 extra liters of fluid, you must be miserable. My dad is 100% dependent on a pacemaker, and he says it’s no sweat. He’s certainly done much better since he got it.
Take care, Cyra. I’ll add you to my healing meditations.
Asian markets in Idaho, you’re so funny…I’ll look for it, though. :)
October 7th, 2006 at 11:58 am–Heckuva Job Arbusto!
October 7th, 2006 at 12:01 pmNow I think it is possible, even likely. And I continue to pray that those who know of the crimes of this Administration come forward with testimony and evidence to shed light on the wrongdoing.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — October 7, 2006 @ 11:45 am
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I still think it was Osama and his radicals who attacked us, while Bush let them. Maybe even funded or went as far as helped them. But I’m still in the ‘no way’ catagory on Bush Cabal orchestrating it. To me, it doesn’t add up logically.
You’re more of an idealist than I am. I think the universe is indifferent and that praying does no good – that it’s about taking action or “the future” will be what happens to us because we did nothing and allowed it to unfold.
I respect your opinion, I just don’t share it without solid proof. And so far, everything I’ve seen has been a stretch or fabrication. We expect in our country for the conviction of a person of a crime to be beyond a reasonable doubt. I still have reasonable doubts. When someone can carry the burden of proof otherwise, then I’ll reconsider my perspective. But, not until then, or I’ve become the very thing I detest.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:02 pmGood Morning all, Sending Blessings to you Cyra. I do know what that’s like..Hope the med’s work…Hope you are feeling better this morning as well Zooey.
Great post’s today…Seem’s all here have the same thought’s I do, sadly we have not one diplomat in this administration and my guess is they don’t want one…Their goal is to create more wars….Clearly bomb’s away make his day, bull shit bush, is very much like the leader of N.Korea….Miserable excuses of the human sort……
Did any one else watch the dedication of the new ship named after big daddy bush this morning.? I caught a few minutes of bull shit turning it into another photo op propaganda for his war’s. More of the same old crap..Damn I am so sick of this bunch…..
Do well all and Blessings today and every day……Peace…
October 7th, 2006 at 12:02 pmCan we not just let Japan and S. Korea handle this, for crying out loud. It’s not like we haven’t sold/given them enough military hardware/knowhow over the last 50 years. It’s nothing but vain to point to everything that happens on the planet and jump to the conclusion that it’s the US that has to do something about it. Let Asia contain their own menace, and US troops out of where they never belonged in the first place (Iraq)
October 7th, 2006 at 12:03 pmThe guy can’t live forever, and it’s far cheaper to send people to be his faux friends than to wage a war.
Comment by unbelievable
Excellent point.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:05 pmWell said tom baker. I agree. We aren’t the world police, no matter how egocentric the current administration’s view is. While we’re at it, let Europe deal with Iran.
Really, we’re not within range of either nutjob. But other Industrial Nations are.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:10 pmThey have had the enough for a bomb since 1992..and a mini cold war with the Hermit King for 14 years. So what if he tests it? The Taepodong II didn’t fare well, maybe the Hermit King will blow himself up playing with his new toy.
Okay, I don’t really hope he blows himself up cause that would be bad of me, I mean, Hermit King doesn’t have very good luck with these things.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:10 pmYah, I volunteer (R-FL) Mark Foley sexual predator for the job, he would like Hermies porno collection for sure!
October 7th, 2006 at 12:12 pmExcellent point.
Comment by ForTruth — October 7, 2006 @ 12:05 pm
Personally, I would be for diplomacy even if it were more expensive than violence, but you know how you have to sell everything in terms of dollars to the neocons… To them the only humans worth anything are either their own lives, or the potential life of a fetus growing inside of a pretty white American under the age of 30…
October 7th, 2006 at 12:14 pmYah, How did we get into such an interventionist mess when the founding fathers were against it such a policy.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:16 pm#2. “If the neocons want to give Clinton credit for everything that’s happened, then they should admit that Clinton had North Korea under control.”
After private diplomacy by former president Jimmy Carter, the Clinton administration reached a breakthrough with North Korea in October 1994 when North Korea agreed to shut down the nuclear plants that could produce materials for weapons if the United States would help North Korea build plants that generated electricity with light-water nuclear reactors. These reactors would be more efficient and their waste could not easily be used for nuclear weaponry. The United States also agreed to supply fuel oil for electricity until the new plants were built, and North Korea agreed to allow inspection of the old waste sites when construction began on the new plants. Unfortunately, North Korea never stopped their nuclear weapons development, as was revealed in February of 2005, when North Korea announced to the world they had a nuclear bomb.
If you don’t address a problem, that doesn’t mean it goes away.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:20 pmBoo,
True, Kimmie’s track record with his missiles is definitely more laughable than frightening…
October 7th, 2006 at 12:23 pmJust mention the IMF, World Bank and Wolfowitz and his pals will only be too happy to loan them some more money!!
October 7th, 2006 at 12:24 pm[along with some 'conditions' ]
Unbelieveble, sending Madeleine Albright ? Are you out of your mind? You have a better chance with Pamela Anderson! Where are you going with the butcher of the Balkans? uh?
October 7th, 2006 at 12:26 pmUnfortunately, North Korea never stopped their nuclear weapons development, as was revealed in February of 2005, when North Korea announced to the world they had a nuclear bomb.
Comment by paul — October 7, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
Paul, you need to go learn the difference between ‘having’ and ‘using’. Hypothetically – just because I have a loaded gun in my house doesn’t mean I plan to shoot anyone.
Leave it to you paranoid conservatives to find the irrational details in the otherwise perfect compromise.
Until you start protesting for the US to give up it’s 3000 nukes, you’re a total hypocrite to tell anyone else that they can’t have any.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:29 pmKim Jong Il liked Madeleine Albright who was visiting him. Apparently not all men want the Baywatch Babe.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI wouldn’t want to be a technician working for Hermie thats for sure.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:32 pmPamela was my first choice too,but Bill was jealous.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:32 pmSpot on #56 Unbelievable, as usual you hit the target , right on……Blessings
October 7th, 2006 at 12:43 pmSpot on #57 Unbelievable, as usual you hit the target , right on……Blessings
October 7th, 2006 at 12:47 pmunbelievable. Good points. However, it does take time to load a gun. Also, you are right, I am a hypocrite. We have a stockpile of 3000 nukes that we haven’t used for over 60 years. It is because republicans are willing to be hypocritical on this issue, the American people entrust them with their security.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:47 pmSpeak for yourself Paul , nearly half of the American people don’t entrust the GOP with their security. I don’t.
They wagged the dog under Clinton and then ignored the PDBS and other warnings under Bush.. Besides these guys will be the first ones hunkering down in the bunker hugging their collective ass.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:59 pmSorry paul, I don’t agree..The american public has been sold a huge lie by a bunch of war amongers that are using our military as a way to steal us all blind.
My guess the election’s were stolen, and everything since 2000 has been a lock step march to this administrations end result….Bank rupt the country, bring down the military and declare marshall law, total power. The have more’s will control the have nothing and corporation’s will dictate if you are allowed to work or live, period..Think what you choose, but for me with my eye’s wide open I have never seen so much evil in any administration up to now…..We are long past the time we should of hung all these people for treason and war crimes…..We must take our country and constitution back and put it in the hand’s of ” the people “or this bunch is going to blow up the world…..And guess what, were in it.
October 7th, 2006 at 1:01 pmI was born in 1960, the US talked using nukes on Vietnam way back then. I remember the school drills, hiding under a desk in case of nuclear attacks, the fallout shelters, running out to the school yard.
40+ years of fear factor from nukes and I stll have a better chance of being killed in a car crash or struck by lightning than hetting killed by an atomic weapon.
The Sky is Falling..Yawn, I’m gonna go take a nap now.
October 7th, 2006 at 1:02 pmIt is those on the “progressive” left who are lying to the American people.
October 7th, 2006 at 1:04 pmSixty shots were fired Saturday along the heavily armed no man’s land separating the divided Koreas as regional tensions mounted in anticipation of communist North Korea’s plan to test its first atomic bomb.
October 7th, 2006 at 1:08 pmPost some facts and not Limbaughs or Coulters hermaneutic crap.
October 7th, 2006 at 1:23 pmIt is those on the “progressive†left who are lying to the American people.
Comment by ProgressiveEqualsFascist
Let’s just say that you’re right, this one time.
Who cares? We have no power!
Doh! Look what those in power have done….oops.
October 7th, 2006 at 2:23 pmIt is those on the “progressive†left who are lying to the American people.
Comment by ProgressiveEqualsFascist
Care to tell us who in particular you’re speaking of here? Or was this just another statement made out of ideology and not fact?
October 7th, 2006 at 2:43 pmNo way they would have pulled of something as complicated as 9/11. They simply aren’t capable of suceeding at anything they do.
Comment by unbelievable — October 7, 2006 @ 11:25 am
No, they have a deliberate gloss of incompetence (Bush) over a well-orchestrated core of fascism (Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc). And of course, they have the CIA and Mossad to help out. Don’t forget those danceing Israei’s.
Sorry, I am so off topic! Couldn’t resist. Of course the site monitors might whack this post anyway, verboten topic.
Kimmie is posturing, mostly, but if he feels that he isn’t getting any respect he will indeed test the bomb. What Western diplomats always forget is that in Asian cultures, “face” is everything. It doesn’t matter if you really have power, as long as you are ttreated as if you had power. And if you do have power, but are being dissed, you have to make a fuss or all your peers see you as weak.
Morning Zooey, Sharon, Wayne, Unby, and all the other nice folks… well, it’s half past noon, which is morning by jazz musician standards…
October 7th, 2006 at 3:47 pmKARMA will come to Washington ,very heavily armed.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:47 pmWhy don’t we test one or two of ours on their asses?
October 7th, 2006 at 6:03 pm#43, I respect your opinion as well. And I agree that proof should rise to beyond a reasonable doubt. All I am saying is that at this point in my research, it has risen to a preponderance of the evidence, as I weed through a circumstantial case pasted together from various sites and links.
The Bush Cabal per say might not be able to do such a thing, but the good folks involved in the PNAC might. But no, I haven’t seen enough to say it rises to beyond a reasonable doubt as yet.
As to the Universe…I do believe focused thought can influence things. Now, just because I try to affect things in a metaphysical way does not mean I do not act in the physical realm as well. I believe it’s a complimentary process.
October 7th, 2006 at 9:58 pmUhmm let’s see, Madeleine Albright or Pamela Anderson ,…uhmmm, Unbelieveble you are out of your fricking mind! Perhaps Kim is crazy but not blind!
October 8th, 2006 at 12:27 amBriseadh na Faire are you a lawyer yet or what?
October 8th, 2006 at 12:29 amKARMA will come to Washington ,very heavily armed.
Comment by DOYOUSEE — October 7, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Hello!!!…I’ve been around for a while, since march i might add!
October 8th, 2006 at 12:35 amBut you are too stupid and blind with your ego to realize that, unless my english is perfect to your narrow minds!
Hey Judd how ya like me now?
October 8th, 2006 at 5:43 amI believe it’s a complimentary process.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — October 7, 2006 @ 9:58 pm
Well, if you find anything that puts in over the edge, let me know. Until then, I’m sticking with “not reasonable”.
PNAC, well, yes, they are a differenet group of people (cult) who are far more suspect in such matters. If someone could offer the smoking gun on their hand in 9/11, I wouldn’t be shocked. Not one bit.
As for praying. It would be interesting to see that the fruits of your labors come from the amount of pro-active actions you take and not from any of the ‘praying’. It was that realization that made me understand that the only thing you can control is you – plus, as Thomas Jefferson has said in a number of different ways – that it is doing that makes things happen, not praying or hoping or the sort. I just happen to agree with him.
October 8th, 2006 at 10:58 amSanto,
You can have Pamela Anderson. I think she looks plastic.
If I were a man, I’d prefer Madeleine Albright. She’s intelligent, interesting and doesn’t giggle every other sentance.
October 8th, 2006 at 11:07 amI’m pretty sure Unbelievable is intellegent, interesting, and doesn’t giggle after every other sentence, probably every third sentence. :)
October 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmDamn, that Santo was up late. I bet he/she is taking that needed nap now.
October 8th, 2006 at 12:32 pmI have not heard such calculating liars since the days of Nixon. They might test a nuclear weapon by this weekend? (50% we’re right 50% we’re wrong) While not sypathectic to a communist dictator, I am disgusted by the windbags who have made it their project to daily embolded such tyrants. I can just imagine that N Korea will become next next client state in the slavery production system that the GOP represents.
October 8th, 2006 at 8:59 pmIt may have happened, it may not have happened, but a 3.5 magnitude (Richter scale) shock wave was detected from a province in North Korea. The PDRK claims that it was a nuke, but, 3.5 would be a low yielder (six to nine kilotons (Trinity was nine and a half kilotons.)). Time was about 9:45 PM, eastern. Now what?
October 9th, 2006 at 12:28 amDamn, that Santo was up late. I bet he/she is taking that needed nap now.
Comment by ForTruth
Tranquilizer dart…works every time.
-Zookeeper
October 9th, 2006 at 1:09 am#86 – Zooey,
October 9th, 2006 at 1:31 amI am about to take a nap myself. (I actualy did as my glasses were on the floor and the cat was sleeping on the keyboard.) I have no idea of what programming language she uses, but she does prioduce some very interesting sequences at times. The vet says that she should be history as she just celebrated her 26th b’day last May.
“Let’s look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil.” Wolfowitz (top neocon, look up the Wolfowitz doctorine)
Iraq had nothing to do with national security. Secure the oil for sure, but by any means a real threat.
October 9th, 2006 at 5:02 amBush is the worst kind of bully. Beat up countries that haven’t done anything to us, but he thinks he can beat, saber rattle serious threats like Iran and North Korea but then Bush acts like a chicken and won’t confront them.
Bush could beat up Iraq which wasn’t a threat, but he’s afraid to try anything aginst Iran or N. Korea because they might fight back.
And thats even before we lost our whole military on the “easy” Iraq debacle… mission accomplished… ya right.
And of course the right wing conservative religous right republicans will NEVER admit that Bush did anything remotely wrong. They will of course use the same old line again that its Clinton’s fault!
October 9th, 2006 at 9:44 am[...] Think Progress [...]
October 9th, 2006 at 5:39 pmSeptember 19, 2005: In six-party talks North Korea agrees to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for incentives package.
September 19, 2005: US places sanctions on bank that provides financial support for North Korean Government Agencies; causes collapse of September 2005 agreement.
Obviously Bush is a bully begging for a battle.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:58 am[...] To learn about Bush’s record on North Korea, see our timeline. [...]
October 10th, 2006 at 2:00 pm[...] 12 October, 1994: the United States and North Korea signed the "Agreed Framework": North Korea agreed to freeze its plutonium production program in exchange for fuel oil, economic cooperation, and the construction of two modern light-water nuclear power plants. Eventually, North Korea’s existing nuclear facilities were to be dismantled, and the spent reactor fuel taken out of the country. October 1997: the spent fuel rods were encased in steel containers, under IAEA inspection. [5] Wikipedia During the Clinton Presidency NK had ZERO plutonium Under Bush they got enough for a couple bombs worth, and then announced it, and now conduct tests Think Progress » North Korea’s Atomic March [...]
October 10th, 2006 at 3:45 pmI have noticed quite a trend in the posts here….basically paste in some headlines from god knows where (with VERY few actually providing a source for said info), then, proceed to call President Bush a bunch of names (signifying that you have no actual point other than you don’t like Bush). I am a PROUD supporter of President Bush, yet I am open enough to see why some people don’t care for him, BUT instead of thinking up crafty slander, why don’t people instead focus their anger into something USEFUL, like thinking up possible solutions to the problem instead of playing the name calling game.
October 10th, 2006 at 6:40 pm[...] And I'll only add, check out Think Progress' timeline on the Korea Problem. While you're there, notice that McCain is flat-out lying. Specifically: 1994: Clinton Administration reaches Agreed Framework, North Korea freezes nuclear production for the next eight years. [Link] [...]
October 10th, 2006 at 8:01 pmI think George W. Bush should be worried more about what is going on in north Korea that building worthless walls across the border and sustaining a war thar is helping..WHO? May I ask. long ago before the elections, many people had the GWB initials in their forehead..where are they now? It is definite that hard times await us and nobody is more guilty than the people who re-elected little momas boy. Oh and besides who is going to do the hard work here in the U.S, since you see many homeless AMERICANS and no MEXICAN HOMELESS…get a job!!!! If I have had the opportunity to vote I would have never choosen Bush a corrupt monster taking over the White house and the U.S. since Im not 18.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:14 am[...] For the record, here is a timeline of North Korea’s nuclear weapons development. A cheat sheet: Bush I: 1-2 bombs worth of plutonium Clinton: Zero plutonium Bush II: 10-11 bombs worth of plutonium and counting, first nuclear test [...]
October 11th, 2006 at 12:55 pmI certainly agree with Comment #2 that paying Albright should come out of President Bush’s own pocket. I often think that many of the problems we have should be paid out of his own pocket because they are the result of his own doing.
October 11th, 2006 at 1:40 pmwhy don’t people instead focus their anger into something USEFUL, like thinking up possible solutions to the problem instead of playing the name calling game.
Comment by Tony — October 10, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
I did Tony. I suggested Bush do what Clinton was doing – send diplomats to visit Kim regularly. That’s all he wants – attention.
Why don’t YOU make some suggestions instead of whining about people exercizing their First Amendment Rights… My guess is that you don’t have any.
October 11th, 2006 at 2:42 pmW. goes into Iraq, his opposition complain that he did it ALONE (even thought the Brits, Aussies, Poland, and several other countries were part of the coalition). He gets hammered for going at it alone.
He deals with N. Korea as a party of six nations. He gets hammered for not going at it alone. Let China and Japan worry about him. We have a mess to clean up in the middle east.
Bill Clinton gave away nuclear technology to a mad man. His Secretary of Defense (not Bush’s) found Kim cheating on his agreement. He CONTINUED TO PURSUE NUKES DURING CLINTON’S TERM. Clinton tried to make him go away, he abused the trust. Bush did the right thing.
Bribing thugs doesn’t work. When are you people going to realize that evil people do exist and they don’t respond to negotiations or rational thought?
October 11th, 2006 at 11:35 pm“Clinton gave away nuclear technology….”
October 12th, 2006 at 4:38 amDing!! Sorry Jeffy (aka SFB), wrong, try again.
[...] North Korea (a timeline) Foley (not a timeline) [...]
October 12th, 2006 at 4:57 pm[...] ThinkProgress.org [...]
October 16th, 2006 at 9:58 amIagree with comment 98 we do have to think of some solutions to solve this problem because it is up to us the future generations to deal with this problem since a big crisis is going to occur in our country that weall really dont want to happen.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:13 amIf we don’t do anything now then we aren’t going to doing anything when there “TESTING” Missles and shoting them in every direction. We had a problem with N.Korea since 1960’s and NOW we want to do something about it. While were in Iraq there underground coming up with a “target” to shoot at next. So what if Japan and S. Korea don’t like them, ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Farther more, if Japan, S. Korea, and U.S. “goverment” don’t come as one and do something about this we are all good as dead because the N.Korea President reminds me of another Hitler but yet he ain’t burning people, his nuking people!
October 19th, 2006 at 11:43 amI think i just read about the two failed nuclear weapons they had, me and my brother think they had some poor tw*t hitting it with a hammer..
go off u stupid piece of ****
October 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pm[...] A factual timeline of the North Korean program traces how policies of containment and engagement slowed and stopped the program, while threats of regime change increased the dangers. The two key failures were the choice to focus on overthrowing the government in Pyongyang rather than stopping the nuclear program, and the invasion of Iraq which distracted U.S. attention from the real nuclear dangers and propelled both North Korea and Iran to accelerate their programs. [...]
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 am#93
What has GWB done in the last 6 years to benefit the common folk of our nation? And please don’t say ‘we haven’t been attacked since 9-11 so he is strong on national security’. I know Bush lovers like to use that to put him on a pedestal, but what they fail to remember, Bush WAS president on 9-11 and ignored every sign of security intelligence about there being an attack within the US. The government failed us on 9-11. And now there is a hostile take over of our political system. The prez makes his own laws, nullifying the other 2 branches of our government, while the other 2 branches of our government allow it to happen. “We are at war” so We The People are expected to allow the president to mold the whole future of our nation with no check or balance. It’s called a power grab and we are setting ourselves up for a single branch of government ‘dictatorship’. It is happening people, while we sit idly by. I hate partisan politics and believe 95% of all politicians are scum bags but we have no choice but to vote democrat across the board in the midterm (I never thought I would say that!). This rubberstamp, president knows best, spineless bunch we have in our congress and senate needs to go! Otherwise, prepare for more of your freedoms to vanish, while your phones are tapped, you’ll be logging onto your computer with your National Security Card while your ISP hands all of your internet activity to the government, you’ll be labeled as an enemy of the state for posting your opinions on websites like this, be imprisoned indefinitely with no trial. All of this, because your government failed you and is now fearing you to believe it’s for your own protection. Nah, that could never happen…..
About NK, enough finger pointing, NK is responsible for testing nukes. The last 5 presidents failed, some just did a little more than others.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:13 pm“Seems the differences in policy are evident. I can see both sides. I prefer Clinton’s approach, but was it merely just putting off the inevidable? I’m not sure on that one either. What would you do as the President? Sounds like a reeeaaallly hard job.
Bush’s “zero tolerance†approach will only enflame the situation. ”
You know what I would prefer? Swedens approach. STAY the F out of OTHER countries. Hey it’s been working for us, like 200 years now?
No. Dont even go blackops:ing in other countries. Bad boy! No blackopsing!
Why the f do YOU need to police the world when the rest of us dont? It’s defenitely not cause we CANT. Germany and France are pretty well “endowed” too you know, to just mention two.
October 29th, 2006 at 3:38 pmBush is a stupid Mother Fu**** and needs to stop these Sh**with what ever he is doing
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmBush needs to go and suck a dick
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pmbush needs to go and suck a dick
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmNice intelligent comments here, especially the last few. I hope you all get your wish and when Hillary is president the world will be awash in happy fluffy pink bunnies and all evil in the world will have been vanquished. Sheez…
February 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pm