John Gibson Suggests North Korea Nuke Test ‘Balances Out The Bad News’ From Foley Scandal
John Gibson Suggests North Korea Nuke Test ‘Balances Out The Bad News’ From Foley Scandal
Yesterday on “The Big Story,” Fox’s John Gibson suggested that the alleged North Korean nuclear test was good news. Gibson asked Washington Times editor Tony Blankley: “Does the fact that the North Koreans actually tested a nuclear weapon balance out the bad news from this Foley scandal?” Watch it:
The alleged North Korean nuclear test is not only bad news for our national security; it’s bad news for Congressional leaders like Dennis Hastert who have supported President Bush’s policy in lockstep. It’s the culmination of six years of failed policy, typified by little else than tough rhetoric.
For details, see our North Korea nuclear timeline.
Transcript:
GIBSON: Does the fact that the North Koreans actually tested a nuclear weapon balance out the bad news from this Foley scandal?
BLANKLEY: It doesn’t balance it out. It’s not a big enough story. As big as it should be, I don’t think it will take the oxygen out of the news cycle. I think it will take some of the breathlessness out of the reporting of the Foley story, but there will be some room, as we’re seeing today, both stories are getting coverage.
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“Does the fact that the North Koreans actually tested a nuclear weapon balance out the bad news from this Foley scandal?â€
Well I guess that all depends on whether or not you think a nuclear weapon’s test is a good thing or not! OR, if you’re a desperate administration-enabler, ANYTHING to distract people from the folly of the day would conceivably be a good thing!
Of course, the fact that another country may now have nuclear weapons and this administration did nothing but provoke them into into acquiring them makes us ALL feel better, right?
Short-sighted fools.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:14 amHmmm - October surprise??
Very convenient of North Korea to help out Dumb-ya, eh?
October 10th, 2006 at 10:15 amWhat Blankley really wanted to say:
“John, it doesn’t balance it out. It’s not a big enough story. As big as it should be, I don’t think it will take the oxygen out of the news cycle. What we really need is a major terrorist attack on American soil. It is the best thing that could happen for the GOP right now, and that is what everyone here at Fox News and over at the RNC and the White House are really hoping for these next few weeks. And if my sources are correct, I think the White House has something in the works right now.”
October 10th, 2006 at 10:16 amUnbelievable!!
October 10th, 2006 at 10:17 amIf the test of nukes “balance out the bad news”, then that could only mean that they consider the North Korea nuclear weapon test to be “good news”.
How twisted is that?
It doesn’t balance it out and it actually counts in favour of the Democrats. The Republicans are weak on diplomacy and this just further illustrates that.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:17 amThis is a real Republican conversation. The subject is winning, and the only “values” recognized are those you can count: money and votes.
This is what moral bankruptcy sounds like.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:18 amWell, I often find that a rogue nation entering the nukular family to always be good news.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:18 amAmerica’s Least Wanted
Desperate for worse news is what FOX is really hoping for.
And that is really what this is, worse news than Foley.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amThey would do better to put Foley back on the front page and let this foreign policy screwup fade away into the sunset memory hole.
Very sad. What a manipulative lunkhead!
The same guy with the chrsimas conspiracy book….it figures.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amfrankie
And if you want to hear what fiscal bankruptcy sounds like, put a Republican in charge of your economy.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amThe American MSM is a horses ass. No news, twisted lies do their corporate due dilligence to mislead their viewers and the nation that they profess inform.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:21 amTV is for the ill informed.
So typical. Page-rape-gate is bad for republicans. North Korea having the power to blow the world up is bad for everyone, but its newsworthy, takes the focus off of Foley and Hastert, ergo, its really good.
I’ve been a registered republican since I could vote- I stayed a republican when I voted against Bush last time up. This next election, I am re-registering- as a democrat.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:22 amMay be Gibson was being mathematical 2- = +
October 10th, 2006 at 10:22 amYou know, several things just ran through my mind in connection with John Gibson equating the Foley scandal with a nuclear bomb exploding — but every one of them is so filthy, I think I’ll keep them to myself.
I’m trying to turn over a new leaf. :)
October 10th, 2006 at 10:22 am100 % pure politics. Republicans are not interested in governing, only winning.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:22 amAs scary as this talk of a nuclear test was yesterday, I found this quote from Cheney to be even scarier.
‘it “is not an accident” that the country has not suffered another attack since Sept. 11, 2001′
Cheney Back Delivering the Grim Campaign Speech
Hmmmmmmmm
October 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amThis next election, I am re-registering- as a democrat.
Comment by drtomaso
Wow. Well done, drtomaso.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amEveryone pissing their pants? Has Fox and the Reptile party done their job yet?
October 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amIndubetedly!
GIBSON: Does the really horrible fact that the North Korean communist terrorists actually tested a nuclear weapon balance out the rancid sick and very bad news from this reprehensible sexual predator Foley scandal?
George: No, we need another Pearl Harbor type event, a really really good attack on America to make the sick twisted pervert Foley follies to dissapear from the minds of the people. What I really need is to attack a dirt poor starving country and kill a few thousand people so we can keep the corrupt and amoral GOP hypocrites, and me, the decider in power.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:28 amInteresting. So NK exploding a nuke is good news for Republicans, huh? Republicans, including Fox News, are now cheering NK? Why do they hate America?
October 10th, 2006 at 10:29 amIt didn’t suffer an attack 6 years before George and his goon squad either, guess that was an accident?
October 10th, 2006 at 10:31 amBut really 9/11 happened 8 months into the Bush cabals watch, 9/11 as much as they would like it to dissapear into Clinton land happened under Junior, and thats no accident.
My god! It’s full of star…k partisanship!
October 10th, 2006 at 10:32 amMy spin on all this is, with dictator bull shit bush and his sick bunch in charge we are a rogue nation..
So far they have gotten away with murder, torture, dismanteling the constitution of the United States, stolen the public blind, lied for self gain and total control of the public…They have allowed and planned for the total sell out of our country and installed foreign power to help with that end….
Now, unless this administration is removed, charged with war crimes and treason we will be run by Israel or Saudi Arabia or some other foreign country we are indebted to…What so hard to see here…Why doesn’t everyone get it.? Beyond me……..Blessings ….Peace
October 10th, 2006 at 10:32 amWait, I thought a nuclear North Korea was Clinton’s fault? Now it’s good for the Republicans? I’m so confused on this one.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:36 amLOL. Only on Fox.
Not only do they feel so badly that a republican scandal is too big for them to ignore, but look on the Fox bright side…at least NK has nukes now!
Wow. That is sad and an unbelievably new low even for FOx.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:42 amIf these people, the Bush end-timer fear factor crowd, really think that the world is coming to an end why do they want to be in power?
October 10th, 2006 at 10:42 amHuh?
Why do they need millions of dollars for smear campaigns if they are so holy and good?
Isn’t the lust of money, ergo power, the root of all evil?
Well, it certainly is good news! That is, if you’re a right-wing media maggot like Gibson.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:46 amWars and attacks are always a good thing for the GOP war mongers, that’s the only way to get bush up to 90% in the polls.
The liberals don’t want an attack, thats just neocon-speak, what they really mean is the GOP wants another attack on America.
Gotta reverse whatever they say to make any sense out of it.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:46 amDARVO
Smoking Gun? Mushroom Cloud?
I forget–which front in the Global War On Terror is this?
Hm–global Maginot line?
global Bull Run?
global Little Big Horn?
October 10th, 2006 at 10:49 amThanks Dog, the right wing needs to gather all their factions and get their spin unified before speaking on issues like this. I debated a guy yesterday who told me this is all Clinton and Albright’s (he used Not-so-bright, how clever) fault. That’s the problem with debating Republicans, they don’t even all agree on whether it’s good or bad and if it was bad they don’t blame the same people. The one thing they agree on is that it is definitely not their fault.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:51 amDog-named-Boo, what does DARVO mean ?…..Blessings
October 10th, 2006 at 10:58 amDopey Denny Hastert is holding a press conference today! So instead of letting the North Korea nuke story simmer and take up news cycles, Denny is putting the page scandal front and center again.
Heckuva job.
Why is the Republican Party a party that condones pedophiles and covers up for them so they can continue offending?
-GSD
October 10th, 2006 at 10:59 amI swear, the viewers and supporters of the Fox Network are enablers of death, destruction, evil, war, and oppression the world over.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:01 amThe word he should be looking for is DISTRACTS not BALANCES.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:01 amHow unbalanced!
I’m right leaning, but I must admit this is confusing to me. I have believed that the Foley scandal is actually a losing position for democrats and the real jeopardy for Bush and company is a spotlight focused on foreign policy missteps.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:02 amGood for Bush because he will be able to make the arguement that North Korea clearly demonstrates why he must act decisively on Iran.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:03 amthe Foley scandal is actually a losing position for democrats
Are you dellusional!?! Have you seen the polls?
You must be watching Fox News, because, for your information, Foley is a REPUBLICAN!
October 10th, 2006 at 11:04 amOn what planet is a nuclear weapons test by a communist regime “good news”?
October 10th, 2006 at 11:04 amTypical NeoCon logic: one bad situation + one bad situation = Good for Republicans
Those people live in a strange and unreal world.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:05 ampaul, I think the Foley scandal is a losing position for politicians. I don’t know that many people are going to associate that scandal with a party as much as either side may think that is the case.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:05 amSo were the WMD from Iraq smuggled from Baghdad to Pyongyang before we got there? That sneaky Saddam. It’s a good thing we caught him.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:06 amHas anyone seen any articles about radiation readings from the nuclear test in NK? All I have seen so far is the siesmograph readings. I might be a little too skeptical on this but hey that’s me. Ain’t it nice too how a South Korean is going to head the UN? That should make the North Korean sancstions go over real weell in the peninsula.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:15 amYou know, several things just ran through my mind in connection with John Gibson equating the Foley scandal with a nuclear bomb exploding — Comment by Zooey
Me too Zooey. Like how happy Gibson and the repugs would be if North Korea would have dropped that bomb on Seoul or someplace in Japan. Anywhere, really, that could get the attention off Hasturd and his pedophile buddy and back on who’s keeping us safe from terrorism.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:21 amdlet, underground testing should yield a negligible amount of fallout. Given the small yield of this device, it’s possible no radioactivity would be detectable without getting someone to ground zero. Even then, a savvy government could detonate a conventional bomb, plant radioactive waste and tell the world it conducted nuclear tests.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:30 amI have believed that the Foley scandal is actually a losing position for democrats
Comment by paul — October 10, 2006 @ 11:02 am
The polls clearly show otherwise.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:33 am“Does the fact that the North Koreans actually tested a nuclear weapon balance out the bad news from this Foley scandal?â€
For those of you playing, the correct answer is “No.” These are not quatifiable items that can be measured, weighed, or compared. These terms are unrelated… Huh? Rhetorical question? Then why’d you ask it? Base manipulation of people’s fears and prejudices? Ahh…
October 10th, 2006 at 11:36 amThe jerk in politics 2 minuses increases the negative , i love to see another shoe to drop .
October 10th, 2006 at 11:41 am#2 - Hmmm - October surprise??
Very convenient of North Korea to help out Dumb-ya, eh?
Who would have guessed that Emperor George had so many friends amoungst 3rd world despots? Oh, that’s right, he was “for” Saddam before he was “against” him. He did business with the bin Ladens before he didn’t.
N.Korea pretty much proves that ReichWintNuts are soft on defense. Soft! Which is just the opposite of what WingNuts are toward underage boys.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:48 amThank you mighty for letting us amuse you. Why would Foley have been demoted from committees? Do you imply that someone knew about his predilection toward underage boys while he sat on those committees? He is not a gay pervert, he is a pedophile.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amAren’t they the ones who constantly say, “The Liberals want Iraq to win”. It really looks like Gibson wants li’l Kim Jong Il to prevail in the nuclear arena. Hi Ho Hypocrisy!
October 10th, 2006 at 11:50 amso in repug nation, anything that scares the bejeezes out of the average citizen, like crazed despots testing nuclear weapons, is a good thing because it distracts from the attention of an average, everyday sick republican personality….Niiiiccccceeee.
The sickness, demented politically shaded world view of the cult of republicanism is outrageous and more dangerous than anything on earth.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:51 am.
This balances out nothing! This is something we’ve known for some time - nothing new about them having nuclear capability.
As for the Foley scandal and it’s obvious “fallout”, that’s not going to go away any time soon - so the GOP had better get used to being in a downward spiral for a very long time.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:53 amLooks like the GOP ‘good’ news just got better!
October 10th, 2006 at 11:53 am…..and remember those infamously true words: “The ONLY thing we have to fear, is FEAR itself!”
October 10th, 2006 at 11:54 amWe aim to please, unlike the GOP.
Say MA how much do they pay you to post such coulterian emnity every day? It must have little to do with Intelligence because you are always wrong, so do you get paid by the hour, or what?
BTW, I am sure you will find my last post quite amusing.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:56 amHey, MA you still Amused?
October 10th, 2006 at 11:59 amI’m not.
So Bush has proposed doing the same thing Clinton wanted to, but with fewer restrictions. Go spin machine go! You’re going to have to really work on this one!
October 10th, 2006 at 12:03 pmHave they become such Comfortable Sociopaths that they no longer even feel the need to hide this train of thought? Damn..
October 10th, 2006 at 12:06 pmhttp://thumbsnap.com/v/zLbcGiKT.jpg
October 10th, 2006 at 12:07 pmJune, why should they hide it? The populace keeps giving them more power. Hiding a cynical twisted desire to hold onto power at ALL costs is so passe! That’s what sells books now, so it must be right!
October 10th, 2006 at 12:09 pmI don’t watch Gibson but wondered if he’s started griping about Christmas yet.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:17 pm[…] They really want Americans to focus on something other than the Foley scandal. When John Gibson characterizes North Korea’s nuclear test as “balancing out the bad news“, you know how desperate they’re getting. GIBSON: Does the fact that the North Koreans actually tested a nuclear weapon balance out the bad news from this Foley scandal? […]
October 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pmIn releasing the funding [95 million], President George W Bush waived the Framework’s requirement [1994 Clinton] that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors.
And Bush also gave $43 million to the Taliban to stop the production of opium.
Fiscal Conservative? Bush killed that meme. The only “fiscal conservatives” today are in the history books; when given real power, they (and their supporters) did the exact same things that they accused liberals of.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:20 pmmroom, good point. Think they can trot the War on Christmas out in early November, or will it still be too early. Does that usually come out when Hallmark starts selling ornaments?
October 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pmMA - here’s some exciting mythology concerning your namesake:
October 10th, 2006 at 12:22 pmAccording to Hesiod, she was born when Uranus (the father of the gods) was castrated by his son Cronus. Cronus threw the severed genitals into the ocean which began to churn and foam about them. From the aphros (”sea foam”) arose Aphrodite…
Sounds about right from your foamy churning posts.
Oh he’s prolly cooking up a war on pumpkins, pagans and trick or treaters as we speak.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:24 pmDog, yes we haven’t had a good War on Harry Potter or Narnia in ages. Stupid media for paying attention to North Korea and ignoring these real issues. Anyone remember hearing about a plan for Social Security? Or a Defense of Marriage Amendment? Perhaps Washington has ADD.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pm43 million is nothing compared to the 5 billion a year that the golden crescent produces. George is simply investing our taxpayer money wisely!!
/sarc on
October 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pmThe backwards-baseball-cap-wearing crowd watching Fox News may be assuming that the North Korean “crisis” will be a chance for Bush to impress American voters with tough talk and he-man posturing. But the whole world—including Kim—knows we’re militarily overextended thanks to Bush’s Iraq fiasco.
Way to go, Dubya!
October 10th, 2006 at 12:28 pmSpeaking of denial.
This North Korea test was a predicted outcome of the miserably failed Bush policy toward the “axis of evil”.
The person I listen to most closely on the issue of North Korea is Bill Richardson. Richardson has said that this outcome was unnecessary, certainly at this time.
It is time to ditch using gut instincts as a substitute for foreign policy. Lack of gravitas has long been a recognized shortcoming for George W. Bush and, boy, are we paying a price for that deficit.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:29 pmDear Dog - When you read up on Ms Madeleine’s trust and negotiations with the North Koreans MAYBE we could have a discussion….until them, you’ve just picked up the book and started reading CHAPTER 8.
RuCERIOUS quips “Sounds about right from your foamy churning posts.”
October 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmSounds like I hit a littttllle close to home, RU.
mighty, apology accepted. Now to be even handed, anytime a pedophile is exposed, please indicate that they are or are not heterosexual and also, let’s throw in their race, educational background and religion of choice while we’re at it. Well put though.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pmBwahahahhaaaa!! Move that goalpost!!
October 10th, 2006 at 12:49 pmWill the Republicans be having a straw man parade for Halloween? Look America! Liberals! Ooooooooohhh scary! Seriously, buy some new straw men Republicans. Borrow some money from your favorite authors. You love to trot out ho much they make on they’re rhetoric.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:52 pmDear Dog - When you read up on Ms Madeleine’s trust and negotiations with the North Koreans MAYBE we could have a discussion….until them, you’ve just picked up the book and started reading CHAPTER 8.
Oh really? The first Korean reactors were of Russian build [Graphite Reactors] and they started this in 1985, well before Clinton or Albrite.
More like the days of Reaga and Bush sr. But you really don’t want to go there do you?
October 10th, 2006 at 12:52 pmAny news, other than about Foley screwing underage boys, is good news for the GOP and the Bush Regime > lol.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:53 pmmighty: please enlighten me on North Korea’s nuclear program.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:55 pm1985: The Reagan administration urges the USSR to give the North nuclear reactors to supply it’s needs.
Yah MA you better start cracking some books.
October 10th, 2006 at 12:59 pmMA - Not only not close to home, not close to any type of rational thought whatsoever.
October 10th, 2006 at 1:07 pmYou know MA has the same intelligence paranoia as Exley, always talking about how smart they are when they are being shot down in flames.
MA are you channeling Exley?
And as we know that review led to Bush giving N Korea 95 million and ignoring the framework on Inspections bringing us to today.
Would you also like to know about Rumsfelds part in this Korean mess MA?
October 10th, 2006 at 1:10 pmBoth the North Korean nuke test and the Foley scandal are republican issues. One is a Republican Lead House issue. The other is a republican run White House problem.
October 10th, 2006 at 1:29 pmDog, you still here? Who was it that taught the North Koreans how to make weapons with higly enriched uranium instead of plutonium? Hint, it wasn’t Clinton or Albright. Mighty, you can chime in with the answer if you’d like.
October 10th, 2006 at 1:46 pmmighty, please provide a link to your proof that this Foley scandal release is a Democratic conspiracy.
October 10th, 2006 at 2:28 pmmighty, by the way, I must have missed the comment where you educated Dog on how Clinton and Albright’s agreement to build reactors for North Korea was so misguided. Prior to that proposal, what type of reactor had Reagan asked the USSR to build for North Korea?
’til later.
October 10th, 2006 at 2:32 pmThis just goes to show that the Republicans are only interested in power. Why else would anyone think that North Korea acting out is a good thing.
It is time to put the Rs back into the wilderness as they were for forty years following the Joseph McCarthy debacle.
October 10th, 2006 at 3:38 pmBoom. Some self-absorbed nut-case lets loose an unexpected, super-heated blast of pent-up energy, shocking those who naively trusted his goodness and thought they could escape his foul betrayal.
Oh yeah, Korea did something bad this week, too.
October 10th, 2006 at 4:35 pmThis issue just reminds us of another foreign policy failure by Clinton (in addition to not pulling the trigger to get OBL). It also reminds us that you can’t count on flacid Dems to deal with N. Korea, so we must return Reps to power after Nov. 7.
Peace, Love and Happiness to all….
October 10th, 2006 at 6:43 pmDear Dems and/or Progs - Please accept my heartiest congrats on FINALLY being morally OUTRAGED…..you’re a bit late to the party but we welcome all those who have had a moral epiphany. Mr. Aphrodite thinks you’re really glad the sickening news about “Foley the Perv” got out just so you could seal the deal on the House this November. He noted the Party which celebrates sexual perversion and late-term abortions could hardly be the Party of Morality. (Mr. Aphro thinks the Dems and Progs have been circling the toilet bowl when it comes to cultural issues for years. He asked…how many tickets to the “Vagina Monologues” were purchased by Concerned women of America?) I disagreed with him - I said OF COURSE Dems would be just as outraged - probably MORE so if Foley was a Dem - like Gerry Studds. Hmmmm…. maybe Mr. Aphrodite has a point….
Nice try, Dems!
October 10th, 2006 at 8:11 pm‘it “is not an accident†that the country has not suffered another attack since Sept. 11, 2001′ - Dick Cheney
Last I checked, there was one and only time in American history that the USA suffered an internal attack from an outside terrorist organization. Is it an accident that it happened under the watchful, competent gaze of Dubya, Condi, Rummy, and Dick?
Clinton had some self control problems, but at least he didn’t give his Dick a job as vice president.
October 10th, 2006 at 9:33 pm#101 I guess Bush has to be president a couple hundred more years before they can get the record. What a shithead.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:06 pm#100 - “Would you PLEASE do me the honor and post what MAJOR Dem ever celebrated a late term abortion?” - btriteful
Major DEM??? I thought all Dems were important. The only Dems fighting the ban on partial birth abortion should be mentioned here. (A Ceasarean Section can be performed more rapidly and the health of the patients is the paramount consideration. But the goal of a partial birth abortion is to ensure baby dies.) For example, fine examples of mom and apple pie are Eleanor Smeal, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, et al.
You didn’t hazard a guess how many Concerned Women of America attended the play the “Vagina Monologues”????
But please allow me to welcome you Johnny and Janie-Come-Latelys aboard the Family Values platform. We’re delighted you’re here…..
October 10th, 2006 at 10:15 pmDear Gorn - How old are you - 12? Where were YOU in 1993 ?? Obviously you weren’t in the WTC or were unable to digest the comprehensive facts as printed in most newspapers……If you’re going to be so blatantly wrong about the facts, you might want to skip the really sophmoric sexual references - you don’t look any more intelligent….
Don’t stay up past your bedtime….
October 10th, 2006 at 10:19 pm#104 You say that 9-11 is somehow Clinton’s fault 8 months from inauguration. How then, can you bring up WTC 1? It was a month and a half into Clinton’s term? Oh, I know. You are a hypocrite. And a moron.
October 10th, 2006 at 10:23 pmMA, oh, ok, you never blamed Clinton for 9/11. Ok. One of us is an idiot. My educated guess is that that person is you.
By the way, as a Christian, how do you feel about Timothy McVeigh bombing the OKC federal building? I am guessing you supported it since you are Christian (don’t get upset, I am making the same argument you always do with Muslims).
October 10th, 2006 at 10:37 pmMA, why are you here? Do you enjoy being humiliated? I am guessing you like when your “husband” gives you the golden shower and the old Cleveland Steamer. Sick.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:17 pm“Where were YOU in 1993″
Just to show you how an adult acts, I will admit error. This (admitting error) is a concept unknown to the people you support. The death of 6 people in WTC I, while small in number compared to the 2759 killed on 911, is a tragedy that meets the characteristics I described.
Given your past posts, it is perhaps worth pointing out that WTC I happened 36 days into Bill Clinton’s first term. Given that Republicans blame Clinton for 911 which happened 8 months into Dubya’s first term, clearly WTC I is plainly the fault of BUSH I. The difference for 911 is that Bush II had opportunity to act and failed, whereas Clinton had no opportunity to act. Thus, both WTC I and 911 looks bad for the Bush clan.
“you might want to skip the really sophmoric sexual references”
If you can’t make smarmy sexual references on a blog, where can you make them? Oh, I forgot, you can make them in IMs to congressional pages.
“Don’t stay up past your bedtime….”
Nothing sophomoric in that statement, is there MA?
Have you ever been vice president? You have some similar characteristics.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:47 pm#111 Come on, gorn…it is unfair to respond to MA like that. It is not very bright and won’t understand that you just kicked its ass.
October 10th, 2006 at 11:57 pm“Come on, gorn…it is unfair to respond to MA like that. It is not very bright and won’t understand that you just kicked its ass.”
JPark, the response is not for MA, who appears to be a hopeless cause. Rather, it’s useful to demonstrate to the audience how responsible humans should act. This contrasts with MA’s attack, in which he chose to ignore the substance of the post (that the lack of a 911-like attack since 911 is not evidence of any great victory, given that no 911-like attack ever occured in US history prior to 911 either, and other horrible attacks have since hit our closest allies - I guess they don’t count.) Instead of acknowledging the seriousness of the point and parenthetically pointing out the technical error, he chose instead to ignore the importance and go for the personal attack.
People like MA can only respond with ad hominem attack, the last refuge of hopelessly deluded. I count no less than 7 such attacks in a single post of his (#106). Very sad.
Ad hominem attacks are acceptable in response to same, however, so once he’s gone on the attack, slapping him silly is perfectly fine to do, and mildly entertaining to boot.
October 11th, 2006 at 1:53 am#107 - “By the way, as a Christian, how do you feel about Timothy McVeigh bombing the OKC federal building? I am guessing you supported it since you are Christian…” Comment by JPark
*******Dear Mr./Ms. Park, You poor little thing…didn’t anyone tell you not to assume - you’re making such a pitiful A$$ out of yourself is quite embarassing for you. For the umpteenth time, my father was Irish Catholic and my mother was a Jew. I am a practicing Jew who has great reverence for a courageous young rabbi, the Christ.
#110 - “MA, why are you here? Do you enjoy being humiliated? I am guessing you like when your “husband†gives you the golden shower and the old Cleveland Steamer. Sick.” - Comment by JPark
********You REALLY are a pitifully SICK person to suggest such crude vulgarity - and you should be pitied. Just when I thought Dems had developed a “moral compass” - silly me…. I often chalk up such “acting out” to poor toilet training experiences as a toddler….As I’m running out of cheelks to turn, I’ll just go back to ignoring you.
October 11th, 2006 at 2:09 am#111 - “Where were YOU in 1993″
Just to show you how an adult acts, I will admit error.” - -gorn
*********Dear Gorn - I think you did a really good job of demonstrating adult behaviour - until you reverted to typical 7 year old behaviour and started pointing the finger of blame to administrations before and after President Clinton - primarily, I suspect because they are Republicans. Unfortunately, that’s the way too many “pseudo-adults” act. Particularly disturbing was your discounting the 6 killed and the 1000 injured (which you neglected to mention). Apparently, they don’t mean much unless they were your family.
Your reading seems extremely selective. 20/20 hindsight for Repubs is just as laser straight as Dems. I have never blamed President Clinton for 9/11. I believe he did the best he could with what he knew and considering his world view. He is a man who views such tragedies through the lens of law enforcement rather than a military attack. I believe after watching his interview with Chris Wallace he wishes deeply that he had been able to kill bin Laden. I wish he had been able to grab that glory - I had a cousin who worked at Cantor Fitzgerald….
P.S. Smarmy doesn’t bother me - but you seemed to shoot first and ask questions later so I assumed you were up past your bedtime…
October 11th, 2006 at 2:27 am“I think you did a really good job of demonstrating adult behaviour”
Thank you.
“- until you reverted to typical 7 year old behaviour and started pointing the finger of blame to administrations before and after President Clinton”
Can’t get away from the ad hominem stuff, can ya? Too bad. You are also again intentionally missing the point. I was using the same “blame the previous administration” tactic that is part of the current Republican talking points, although in the case of WTC I it is an easier case to make.
“Particularly disturbing was your discounting the 6 killed”
I did nothing of the kind. Shame on you. I pointed out that it was a tragedy I overlooked. Clearly it is not on the scale of 911, and none of your twisting can change that fact, however plainly it was a tragedy. I overlooked it because of the scale differential. That’s a factual admission, not “discounting”.
“Your reading seems extremely selective. 20/20 hindsight for Repubs is just as laser straight as Dems. I have never blamed President Clinton for 9/11.”
I never accused you of blaming President Clinton for 911. Your reading seems extremely selective. Oh, the irony. I said that Republicans blame Clinton, and I can assure you that many do, and publicly. I don’t know if you do or not. In fact, I know little about you other than the evident fact that you have an enormous ego and self-image.
“P.S. Smarmy doesn’t bother me - but you seemed to shoot first and ask questions later”
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.
Really, MA, you aren’t nearly the clever wit that you seem to think you are. Please try to apply what wit you have to responding to the original point, rather than your digressions.
Failing that, I’ll give you a topic to discuss. Mighty Aphrodite is neither mighty nor Aphrodite. Discuss.
October 11th, 2006 at 2:56 amTell me mighty aphrodite - why do you hate women and babies so much?
Perhaps Mighty Aphrodite should consider a name change to “Venus with a Penis”…
October 11th, 2006 at 3:22 am#123 - “Perhaps Mighty Aphrodite should consider a name change to “Venus with a Penisâ€â€¦” - Comment by gorn
**********Dear Gorn of Porn - - I’m sure your mother is very proud that her child is able to manuver the world of computers - such a clever kid!! But trust me, Mom is NOT happy about your filthy “fingers” (as opposed to verbalization with a “dirty mouth”) - a bar of Palmolive may be in your future. I assured her it was something some kids outgrow……
Now go sit in “time-out”….
October 11th, 2006 at 10:46 am“Dear Gorn of Porn - - I’m sure your mother is very proud that her child is able to manuver the world of computers - such a clever kid!! But trust me, Mom is NOT happy about your filthy “fingers†(as opposed to verbalization with a “dirty mouthâ€)”
So the word “penis” to you is equated to “porn”, “filthy”, and “dirty”.
You seem to have many, many issues to deal with. May I suggest psychotherapy, VP?
October 11th, 2006 at 10:56 amNo, Gorn - I do not associate the word “penis” with pornography. You just reminded me of the IM’s Mark Foley sent - he seemed a bit pre-occupied with multiple “members” - and I’m not referring to members of Congress…..Now, go back to your corner and take your hands out of your pants - you’ll go blind….
October 11th, 2006 at 1:04 pmNo, Gorn - I do not associate the word “penis†with pornography.
False. This is exactly and clearly what you did. Your non-sequiter about Foley is another desperate reach to explain your behavior and has nothing to do with anything that had been said before. Your evident penis envy and Foley’s penis lust are (so far as I know) unrelated topics, and your belated attempt to equate them is gratuitous and self-serving.
Even up to now, you have never addressed the original point of the thread. Instead, you chose only to create a series of content-free personal attacks on someone with whom you had never communicated before.
You think you are clever, but you are not. Your banter is ineffectual and your reasoning is based on logical fallacies and self contradictions.
I can engage you in meaningful debate, but if you are to have credibility, you must cease nonsense attacks and go back to the original point.
To wit: there has never been an attack comparable to 911 either before or since, so pointing to the fact that there has been none since is a poor indicator of proof that the current regime is “making us safe” as implied by the quote of Dick Cheney. Certainly it is not intelligent to make voting decisions on that basis, amid mounting evidence that the current path is facilitating an increasing level of danger for American interests around the world.
There, now you have another chance to try to say something meaningful and to the point. Will you take the chance to act in a mature manner, or will you follow your previous drivel?
October 11th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#127 - “False. This is exactly and clearly what you did.”
Comment by Gorn
********My dear Gorn, If, and when you decide that your feelings are not facts, we MAY get a bit further in our “discussion”. YOU have NO clue what I think (I’m beginning to wonder about your intellectual elitists who think they know everything at all times. Of course, it’s been proven how factually incorrect you can be.) When you associate my name with the word “penis” please understand that I am awestruck by your Dr. Seuss-like ability to rhyme….really, I am…
“Your evident penis envy…”
*********You’re a sophomoric idiot (from the Greek word ‘idiotis’). You give the term “adversary” a very bad name. Or as judges are wont to rule “Irrelevant!”….”Sustained”….
“You think you are clever, but you are not.”
*********THAAAT will came as a huge surprise to the people I work with - - they not only think I am fairly clever, but quite humourous as well. But obviously you KNOW SO MUCH more than everyone in your circle of one.
“Your banter is ineffectual and your reasoning is based on logical fallacies and self contradictions.”
**********You keep cracking that Logic textbook, maybe some will sink in through osmosis….
“I can engage you in meaningful debate,…”
**********So YOU say…..I’ve been waiting …and have yet to see the flicker of genius from you.
I’m sorry you missed my post on the Foley Scandal upthread. And since this thread is about the Foley story v. NK Nukes, your mention of “…mounting evidence that the current path is facilitating an increasing level of danger” is just a tad off-thread. Revise that outline and go see your teacher….
“Will you take the chance to act in a mature manner, or will you follow your previous drivel?”
*********YOU are SOOOO right!! I never realized HOW mature it was to call someone “Venus with a Penis”. When my little Mini-Aphrodite starts flinging that compliment around I’ll be sure to tell him, “Son, only the MOST mature people in the world, discussing the most mature and deep topics, are allowed to use that gender affirming noun. Mom has that from a reliable source….”
Hate to hit and run - but this is such a target rich environment….
October 11th, 2006 at 6:01 pmMA, I will ignore your diffuse and desperate nonsense and respond only to one thing.
I’m sorry you missed my post on the Foley Scandal upthread. And since this thread is about the Foley story v. NK Nukes, your mention of “…mounting evidence that the current path is facilitating an increasing level of danger†is just a tad off-thread.
Indeed, my post was responsive a post made by someone else who had quoted Dick Cheney. In responding to my post, you could have suggested that it was off-topic from the original thread, but you did not. Too late to do so now. You seem to be trying to master the art of politicians, which is to move the target as soon as the sharpshooter has you dead in his sights. Unfortunately, your moves are transparent to anyone who is observant, and you remain an easy target. I will not allow you to slither away so easily.
You have now been invited three times to respond with meaningful dialog regarding my original point. You have had ample opportunity to address my original criticism of the Cheney quote, and each time you have refused, relying only on continued insipid insult that is apropos of nothing. One can only conclude that you have nothing of value to contribute to the discussion.
The backtrail of this dialog is available for anyone to read who might care to do so, and thus your vapid nature speaks eloquently for itself.
I have no desire to continue to slap you silly. Since at this point it is unlikely anyone is reading this thread, you may as well move on and hurl your pathologic abuse and broken logic on more current threads, where no doubt you will continue to be deconstructed and humiliated in front of all onlookers.
Again, I know you think you’re the smartest cub in the den, but it is not a great accomplishment to out-maneuver the masses on an an “opposition” blog site. Trolls don’t have to adhere to any sort of rationality or rules to accomplish their disruption, therefore taking on that role doesn’t prove your abilities. On the contrary. If you sincerely want to prove the efficacy of your positions, then debate them with honesty and integrity. If you can’t win on the merits, or at least achieve a draw, save your dignity by not devolving into nonsensical diversions and logical fallacies.
What you need to do is to understand your limitations and not pick battles with people who can show you up as a fool. Best to walk away from a hornet rather than continue to get stung. Better luck attacking your next victim.
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