Small plane crashes into NYC high-rise apartment.
By on Oct 11th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
Small plane crashes into NYC high-rise apartment.
Homeland Security officials say that “all indications” are that the crash is an accident. CNN reports that NORAD has scrambled fighter jets to fly over several major U.S. cities until the accident is confirmed.
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That sure is one hell of a bad pilot ????
October 11th, 2006 at 3:34 pmSay, has anyone seen Uncle Deadeye recently?
October 11th, 2006 at 3:41 pm[...] Original post by Nico Read More… [...]
October 11th, 2006 at 3:43 pmThe building should collapse in about 2 hours. GWB saw the whole thing.
October 11th, 2006 at 3:45 pmFunny, they didn’t scramble the fighters on 9/11 for the longest time… are they flying Bin Ladens out of the country just on case? Cynical me.
October 11th, 2006 at 3:47 pmHope no one was home in those apartments, how awful.
It’s really from explosives carefully planted inside the building. The plane is just a smokescreen. Right? Or was it Israel?
October 11th, 2006 at 3:49 pmboy, someone wanted to get home fast, diarrhea?
October 11th, 2006 at 3:50 pmI really hope no one was home. Very sad.
October 11th, 2006 at 3:50 pmI’d like to know who/what was housed on those floors.
October 11th, 2006 at 3:51 pmwait… we’re 5 years after 9/11 and someone can just fly a plane into a building without any alarms going off beforehand? I understand (by NPR) they weren’t in contact with any control tower. WTF?
October 11th, 2006 at 3:54 pmFoley coverup?
October 11th, 2006 at 3:54 pmI wonder what children’s book Shrub is reading right now?
October 11th, 2006 at 3:55 pmRonin, it’s apartments plus offices and, I’m told, a Special Surgery unit of Lenox Hill Hospital. Some people that Wayne and I work with are checking into it, their originally from the city and are familiar with the area. They’re still checking it out here.
October 11th, 2006 at 3:57 pmPlease tell me I’m being cynical.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:04 pmToday is 10/11. A plane crashes into a 50 story building.
People start getting antsy. 9/11 all over again is on people’s minds.
Karl Rove has promised an October surprize.
Are we starting the “boogey-man” thing all over again?
A lead up to something more? Something we can say….blame Iran for…?
A 500ft building is kinda hard not to miss.
JaneESchneider,
October 11th, 2006 at 4:04 pmCorrect on what the building is used as. A large chunk of East Side Manhatan is closed but it doesn’t seem to be anything other than a horrible accident. There is a lot of sightseeing planes and even waterplanes that take of from the East River so anything could have happened but so far they don’t know what the plane was doing or who it is.
Just wait. They’ll find a way to blame Clinton for this too.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:04 pmFLIP
10 11 06
upside down and you get
09 11 01
CREEEEPY
October 11th, 2006 at 4:05 pmHey Jane…My sister lives two blocks away on 70th and York. That area is mostly condos and apartments. Already reports of deaths: “Police officials said two bodies were found on the ground, possibly passengers or crewmembers from the aircraft.” NYTimes
Unlike some posters here, I fail to see the humor in this situation.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:07 pmMy hope is that this is just a terrible accident, and I extend prayer to the families of the victims.
Please don’t let the talking heads use this as cannon fodder this evening. If it’s not a big issue, don’t make it one to further your agenda.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:12 pmpull it!
October 11th, 2006 at 4:14 pmSuper – who’s Dummy going to want to invade for this one? Paraguay?
Aw shucks, Ex, you were able to wring some humor out of the Iraqi death tolls, why go and get all touchy-feely about this? Get over it, champ.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:14 pmImagine if this is an Iraqi Pilot ?
well, he would be fighting us here, so i guess i would be wrong, because i never thought that would happen
October 11th, 2006 at 4:14 pmexley, you hypocrite
You can find humour in an Iraqi being killed (you know, the bananna peel incident) but you chastise those you feel are “humoured” by this plane crash. I guess your concern is only if deaths occur among Americans. If that is true, you are a bigot, plain and simple
And for the record, I am deeply saddened by this recent tragedy, and my thoughts and prayers go out to those that are affected. (just as I do every day to the innocent citizens of Iraq, as well as our brave soldiers serving all over the world)
October 11th, 2006 at 4:16 pmLess than 15 min to blame Bush. Wonder if it’s a record?
October 11th, 2006 at 4:17 pmDRxJ ….Y’see, the difference is no one really died in Iraq from slipping on a banana peel. This accident in New York is reality and there are confirmed deaths.
Got the distinction now, sport? Good.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:22 pmNo, Kevin,
The record is within the GOP for blaming Clinton for North Korea’s nuke test.
A man out of office for 6 years now.
A man who had inspectors in NK and there was no enrichment.
That’s the record.
As for Bush, who was President on 9/11/01?
Who’s President now?
Wake up.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:23 pmExley,
October 11th, 2006 at 4:23 pmI accept your apology
#25
Can’t be any better than the world record for Amount of Time An Administration Can Turn A Surplus Into A Deficit.
That one just got recently linked with Worlds Largest National Debt Ever. But hey, this is all still partisan, right? Right?
Crack open that walnut sized thinker of yours and cram some of the big picture in there, lamer.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:24 pm29. Thank you for understanding the distinction, DrxJ.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:25 pmExley, please read your above post and then think of the over half a million people who have been killed in Iraq as a direct result of our invasion and occupancy.
Talk about a banana peel.
The one Bush threw there when he decided to take revenge on the man who threatened his Daddy.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:26 pmI’m surprised that we haven’t heard any fighter jets, if they supposedly scrambled them. We’re close enough, and on a popular flight path. In fact, we’re so used to the contrails criss-crossing the sky, that after 9/11 when flights were grounded it was scary seeing a clear blue sky.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:26 pmStill no i.d. of who the pilot was or where the aircraft originated. This is basic FAA info and should be available to the news media. Then scramble some jets around other metropolitin areas for good effect. Good job Karl, fly a drone into a Manhatten building and you won’t see a thing on the news about 650,000 dead Iraquis or perverts in congress.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:27 pm#27 Kevin…Not all posters on ThinkProgress are callous. Don’t let certain fringes taint the whole site. There are some decent people here.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pmThis is inexcusable.
Comment by Kevin — October 11, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
what?
there are 30 other days in a month for thios to be an accident
this is terrorism or a suicidal pilot
why diont they identify the pilot?
twin engine cesnas arent cheap. he got cleared for takeoff somewhere…
somebody must know who he is
October 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#24, But, ya gotta admit, DrxJ, the banana peel bit was pretty darn good!!!!
October 11th, 2006 at 4:29 pmI wonder if Exley will have sympathy for these people if they were two Mexicans trying to enter the US illegally…..no…I don’t have to wonder.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:29 pmaw geez – now here comes Kev , trying (but only trying) to pile on and prove some nonsense point to the effect that “you damned liberals just don’t respect human beings” (ironically, the exact thing that wingnuts accuse the left of doing too much of). it’s just pathetic, and even the genius of the bunch, Exley, does it, and all it demonstrates to me is that it is possible to be more dishonest than a liar. all i need now is some sanctimonious drivel from MA, and my day will be complete.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:30 pmGood job Karl, fly a drone into a Manhatten building and you won’t see a thing on the news about 650,000 dead Iraquis or perverts in congress.
Comment by GodfryDaniel
Exactly why I asked if I was being cynical.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:31 pmDoesn’t this seem a bit too………. contrived?
#39….”even the genius of the bunch, Exley”
Why, thank you, Tom! But, I’m just a regular guy….with an incredibly high I.Q. … trying to get through the day like everybody else….
October 11th, 2006 at 4:34 pmNo, because this isn’t a false flag event and isn’t the “New Pearl Harbor” needed by the PNAC to get us into Iraq. We are already there.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:35 pmActually, Exley, I find nothing humorous about the deaths of innocent civilians, whether they be Iraqis or Americans.
Humour aside, my concern here is, why the hell was a small plane allowed to navigate that low in NYC with our terror alerts elevated?
October 11th, 2006 at 4:35 pmYou think maybe they want to let the family know before they announce that on the news.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:36 pm#40- Contrived? I’m just commenting on what I see and what we’re not being told. These people will do anything to manipulate your pea brain. People are expendable. Control the media.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:36 pmI’m in Boston today, and I haven’t noticed any fighters flying over. And I think I’d notice. Could it be bullshit? Or is Boston not a major U.S. city?
Of course, Massachusetts *is* a den of blue-state-itude. Probably not worth protecting.
That, or it’s bullshit.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:37 pmIs this the October surprise?????
October 11th, 2006 at 4:37 pm#40….
October 11th, 2006 at 4:39 pmLeave no stone unturned:
From what we now know of the lengths the current administration will go to in acheiving its diabolical goals, there is no such thing as a cynical, or paranoid, or silly question.
The only dumb question is the one which isn’t asked.
GodfryD,
October 11th, 2006 at 4:42 pmI’m not saying your comment is contrived.
Please forgive me if you felt that.
I’m saying the plane crash seems contrived.
Bush is probably sitting in a chair somewhere trying to figure out what to do,,,,, Yet not scare anyone around him….
October 11th, 2006 at 4:42 pmWrong, the only time that information is withheld is when it is a minor. Next.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:43 pm#43 Actually, Exley, I find nothing humorous about the deaths of innocent civilians, whether they be Iraqis or Americans.
And neither do I, DrxJ. That is why you have never, ever read anything from me making light of the deaths of Iraqi civilians from suicide bombings, car bombings, religious militias, sectarian violence, or accidental civilian deaths from Coalition military activities.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmPLane was registered to Yankee pitcher Corey Lidle. Because the damn yankees can’t give up the limelight
October 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmtwin engine cesnas arent cheap. he got cleared for takeoff somewhere…
somebody must know who he is
Comment by truetrue —
They’re still cooking up the docs to show that Foley, among other things, had a pilot’s license and a reason to be in New York…..;-)
October 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmzadig,
October 11th, 2006 at 4:46 pmI can do you one better.
I live on Cape Cod, pretty darned close to Otis AFB, where they would scramble them from.
Had not heard a thing.
#53 Just as your post came up and friend of mine told me the same thing and there are reports Lidle was the pilot. Strange.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:48 pmI bet those scrambled jets reached their destinations faster than you can say pootytang.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:49 pmTrueblue- no opology neccessary, we’re all sick and tired of this bullshit. I just can’t believe this was an accident until I see something that convinces me otherwise.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:51 pmThey’re still cooking up the docs to show that Foley, among other things, had a pilot’s license and a reason to be in New York…..;-)
October 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pmComment by peterh — October 11, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
What do you mean? Where are you going with this comment? and by the way ;-) is pretty gay…
The pilot was George Micheal, passed out of course.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:53 pmBoingBoing has a link to a NY blog (which is blocked here at work) here.
According the NY site, it was an accident and the plane was “doing tricks” before the crash.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:56 pmBreaking News 4:52 PM ET: Yankees Pitcher Cory Lidle Was Killed in the Plane Crash, High-Ranking City Official Says
New York Times
October 11th, 2006 at 4:57 pmMy question is how did this pilot get thru the heightend security (isn’t it still Orange or Red for this area) and how is Clinton going to get blamed for this?
October 11th, 2006 at 5:00 pmUnholyMoses,
I do not want to cast doubt on the information you provided, but I just need to ask the question:
“Who would do tricks over NYC?”
There doesn’t seem to be much room up there for movement.
Again, nothing against what you said.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:01 pm(I’m being extra careful because I put GodfryD off…)
#53 “Because the damn yankees can’t give up the limelight”
Wow, bosox! I’m a Mets fan and even I think that is cold!
October 11th, 2006 at 5:01 pmExley, you’re right, the plane was registered to Cory Lidle – Wayne just told me, and a Yankee fan here said the same thing.
I saw your post on the ThinkFast thread, yeah, I wish I had had more of a heads-up, too!
October 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pmHoly crap!
and I was just about to make a friendly wager with Exley regarding the Tigers and the Mets hopefully meeting in the 2006 WS, which now seems pointless.
some other time p’haps exley?
My heart goes out to Mr.Lidle’s family
October 11th, 2006 at 5:03 pmThere is a lot of good information that gets passed around here. But, please give up this fantasy that Bush was behind the planes flying into the pentagon and towers. (yes, I saw the veterans for 9/11, it’s a joke). When you seriously entertain that the administration is flying drones/airplanes into buildings, the credible points you try to make, become dismissed.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:03 pmtrueblu–
Why not ask why people smoke or do heroin or … I dunno … vote Republican?
Fact is, there’s an awful lot of stupid people in the world. And unfortunately, our country seems to have the market cornered.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:04 pm#53 bosox: Yep, that’s the reports coming from CNN at the moment. The plane was registered to Cory Lidle, NY Yankees pitcher, who just received his pilot’s license less than a year ago. They say they found what’s left of his passport on the ground in the debris. Damn, he pitched for the Reds (my favorite) for a short while. Sad.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:06 pmUnholyMoses,
I guess.
It just seems such a stupid move that I tried not to believe it.
Sorry if I offended you as well.
Maybe I should scram before I piss anyone else off…
Sorry, All!
October 11th, 2006 at 5:06 pmWhat do you mean? Where are you going with this comment? and by the way ;-) is pretty gay…
Comment by ren —
Me thinks ren needs a crash course in “tongue-in-cheekâ€â€¦..
October 11th, 2006 at 5:08 pm#67 DrxJ….Well, we can still do the wager. I am sure Wayne and Jane might want a part of that action.
Poor Lidle. He was just yesterday in the midst of a New York sports mini-media firestorm. Some reporters were accusing him of trying to throw Joe Torre under the proverbial bus for the Yankees loss to the Tigers in the NLDS because of some quotes he made after the Yankkes defeat. Lidel had to go on a NY radio station to be interviewed and claim he had been taken out of context. The radio hosts were not very receptive to his explanation.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI’m sure that they will have a Moment of Silence at Shea tonight. What a way to start the League Championship Series. Cory was a good pitcher, and will be missed by baseball fans.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pmIt sounds now like this was an unfortunate accident by yet another overpaid, incompetent baseball player playing with his toys. But I do not retract my views of what the Bush administration is capable of in order to manipulate the media.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI, for one, was extremely happy to see the “greatest line up of all time” basically manhandled by my beloved, no name Tigers.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmYet this overshadows any joy that I had.
too all the Yankee’s out there, I bleed “pinstripes” tonight also
#76 Lidle’s death is a shame and a tragedy. But don’t let it take away from your joy at what the Tigers did to the Yankees last week. Believe me, every Mets fan was a Tigers fan last week!
October 11th, 2006 at 5:17 pmWhat do you mean? Where are you going with this comment? and by the way ;-) is pretty gay…Comment by ren —
Me thinks ren needs a crash course in “tongue-in-cheekâ€â€¦..
October 11th, 2006 at 5:20 pmComment by peterh — October 11, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
You know there are tons of trolls here, Right? So make yourself clear…or dont, I don’t give a sh*t
Trueblue, don’t worry, you’re not pissing everyone off! :-) I’m sure that we’ll find out more later about how this happened. There is airspace off the shore near that building (it’s not completely surrounded by other tall buildings.) If Lidle was flying erratically or showing off or whatever, it’ll all be talked about for the next week.
And Bosox, as a Mets fan I naturally hate the Yankees–even for me your comment was nasty.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:22 pmJane…What’s the weather in New York. My sister says she fears the game may get rained tonight….Any chance of that?
October 11th, 2006 at 5:25 pmDear Think Progress –
Tragedy aside, perhaps this story should be removed from the site as it has no relevance to what the site is about.
I’m just saying.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:30 pmIf this site is a representation of what the “progressive movement†is, it’s despicable. This accident was tragic. People have died and people have lost there homes. You assume it’s a political move by the Bush administration to get votes. You accuse them of flying a drone into the building. No fact to back it up. And you folks want to believe that had to be it. Some of you seem disappointed that it wasn’t a drone. You let your hate for the president overtake whatever decency you may have to your fellow man. I can’t even believe it.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:32 pmRaining lightly right now. Probably lightly enough to play through.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:34 pmYou let your hate for the president overtake whatever decency you may have to your fellow man. I can’t even believe it.
Comment by Kevin
October 11th, 2006 at 5:37 pmThis from a man whose hatred towards Clinton is constant throught these threads.
thank you, mr.morality, have a wonderful day
trueblue–
You’d have to do a LOT more than that to offend me. Trust me … I am nowhere near easily offended.
:-)
Kevin (post #82) –
First of all, some of the comments you mention are meant as jokes. They weren’t funny and in bad taste.
But that doesn’t make them “representative” of the “progressive movement.” After all, I could go to LGF can post hundreds of posts that, using your logic, would paint the GOP as the most racist, bigoted, uneducated pieces of crap in the history of all mankind. Instead, I realize that they are just one group that is in no way representative of the whole.
Maybe you could try the same thing …
October 11th, 2006 at 5:38 pmDid I say anything about Clinton in this string?
October 11th, 2006 at 5:39 pmThank you for the sensible comment.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:43 pmKevin, chill out. The original thread was a plane hit a building. That is news. The thread then drifted to the pilot/ pitcher. TP doesn’t say it was a drone or that Bush planned this. Individuals did. In between those ramblings there are serious questions and heartfelt sadness. Drop the partisan crap for a bit. How did this accident occur? Weren’t there safeguards against this type of thing? What the hell is Homeland Security going to do about something like this.
It is tragic. And at the same time, a collective sigh of relief that it wasn’t a terrorist attack.
October 11th, 2006 at 5:44 pm#83…All right, Jane…I am leaving work….Gotta stock the house with beer and snacks. Say hi to Wayne…Talk to you tomorrow.
LET’S GO METS!
October 11th, 2006 at 5:45 pmIt really shows your lack of respect for people.
Comment by Kevin
Im sure you have made the same statement about dead iraqis, right?
October 11th, 2006 at 6:10 pmGotta stock the house with beer and snacks.
Comment by Exley
mmmm. Why am I not surprised?
October 11th, 2006 at 6:15 pm[...] Hmm I wonder how this is going to get spun in the next few days. [...]
October 11th, 2006 at 6:44 pmThis is the first, and I garuntee, the last, instance where I defend Exley…. Ain’t nothing wrong with beer and a ball game.
On Topic~I went online to other news sources, and no one is talking about the crash now that it’s just an accident. I couldn’t find anything on casualties, causes….
Now that it’s not a looming threat, everyone seems to have shut up about it.
Just an observation….nothing more.
October 11th, 2006 at 6:45 pmNever ye mind. Front page on MSN. Duh…
October 11th, 2006 at 6:48 pmOn Topic~I went online to other news sources, and no one is talking about the crash now that it’s just an accident. I couldn’t find anything on casualties, causes….Comment by SouthPaw — October 11, 2006 @ 6:45 pm
October 11th, 2006 at 6:57 pmYo… I’m trying to watch Tweetie on Hardball and all they are showing is the model of plane, the maps, his flight route, onlookers, shots of the building in flames even though it was put out hours ago, more shots of the building with the fire put out, commentators commentating, witnesses…. but I live in NY so…. there ya go..
Unlike some posters here, I fail to see the humor in this situation.
Comment by Exley
Thank goodness for some sanity.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:00 pmI’m already working on my made-for-TV movie entitled, “The Path to 10/11″.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:04 pmHow about the bumper sticker: “I’LL NEVER FORGET 10/11″
October 11th, 2006 at 7:10 pmyeah, and instead of that sticker for the car window that makes it look like a homerun ball nailed you car, it could be the tail of a little cessna with the Yankees’ “NY” on it.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:15 pm10/11 Never Forget
October 11th, 2006 at 7:17 pmThat’s COLD, hardball and Eskwiya!!
I actually went up to watch the Simpsons, and MSNBC on commercials. It’s a journalistic feast! “It reminds me of when I walked up to ground zero….”, things of that nature.
While I undersatnd this scene had to hit deep initially, and surely subsequenly, as NYers are reminded of that awful day (not that I believe they, or anyone forgot) I don’t discredit any reporter who had a bad day there on 9/11. But don’t bring it up just to remind us how bold you are. If you were bold—you’d be talking about real issues from day to day.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:23 pm#99 In NY we see alot of “I’ll never forget” “hero’s” with that damn saying on their cars and trucks with their China/ Magnet/ American/ Ribbon/// magnets saying, “We support our troops”…… How they support the troops by driving an “Escalade” or “Yucon Danali” at 80 mph up the Thruway, getting like 7 mpg; is anyones guess…. Point being, my friend says that I should get the bumper sticker that says,” I’ll never forget What?” ,, just to piss off all the wanna be 9/11 hero’s in their “Ford Explorer’s” and “Chevy Suburban’s”…..
October 11th, 2006 at 7:26 pmMeant ren, not hardball. Eh….
Kinda OT, but there are 15 firefighters in the hospital over this plane crash.
Point is, here in Bmore, there was a firefighter killed in the line line of duty here early Tuesday a.m. I observed today…one flag at half-mast.
Kinda made me sad that no one is paying attention.
Just me being…attentive I guess, since my fiance and both of my bro’s-in-law are FD.
Say some prayers, will you all? Sometimes, you just never know….
October 11th, 2006 at 7:30 pm#101Comment by SouthPaw — October 11, 2006 @ 7:23 pm
October 11th, 2006 at 7:30 pmHey that’s the point… The news media in NY is milking this for all it’s worth to relive the Hysteria…. and jack up the ratings off of it. Watch, here in NY the ratings for the media outlets that are pushing this sh*t are going to have the lowest ratings for the day… As soon as we found out it was a small plane we knew after the third hour that they were milking the story…Look the ratings up for today on those stations and you’ll see that NYers arent suckers…
Hi SouthPaw, lots of respect for your feelings and your family…Just want to let you know that and that I see what you are saying about all this… But, everytime i turn around it seems like we are getting terrorized by our federal government with bogus threats so,, just wanted to let you know.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:36 pmAlso, these media guys are Headliners when it comes to stories.. If Foley just poked some kid in the Brownstar 10 minutes ago, it would be the lead story right now.. they are oppertunists.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:40 pm#104 Ren–
Hate to get more OT, however, I want to ask what you think of Bloomberg. I feel that NY is a clean city that I love to visit several times a year. I feel safe, cultered and ultimately ashamed of the poverty that appears to be growingexponentially in my own city.
I know he’s a registered republican, and I know some take qualm with the fact that there are big businesses, such as the WalMart types cropping up in lieu of ma and pa joints. But the ghettos are disappearing. I find it hard to think I would support a republican, and so far, I don’t. But self-funding sets him aside.
I’d like to know your take as a progressive NY’er, as I take you to be.
If I’ve rambled to much I apologize, just very curious.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:43 pmRen–
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1010-02.htm
“The purpose of this is to get people to think and supply the marketplace of ideas with something at every fruit stand, something of every variety,” he said. “As an industry, only half the fruit stand has been open the last four years.”
October 11th, 2006 at 7:45 pm-Keith Olbermann
An ode, dedicated to ren….
\
Here come ol’ Brownstar, he got
Muddy Congress, he got
BushCo lowball, he got
Dennis, Donnie, he got
Pages down
on their knees
Got to be a joke I can’t believe what I see!
Come together,
right now!
Can’t come up with an ender!!!! HELP!
October 11th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI take the tumbleweed to mean that KO preparations are taking place.
See you at 9:00 ET.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:55 pmHi SouthPaw, on NY and Bloomberg…. Hard to say. He pissed us off with the no smoking in bars and he continued the Giuliani position of the so-called clean up of our”streets”. What actually happened under Giuliani and was extended by Bloomberg is that they got crime and “clean streets” confused.
October 11th, 2006 at 8:05 pmGiuliani kicked off the streets a lot of the little sales and vendor guys so that the shoppers from out of town wouldn’t feel “scared”, so, now we have as I would call “SANITIZED” shopping areas like times square. Manhattan has become sterile….. all it is is Shopping for out of towners, even further down towards bleeker and SoHo the artistic and design oriented businesses are mostly gone. “Dumbo” is the art center now… So, NY is mostly homogenized and has lost a lot of character because of Giuliani’s obsession with crime and “clean streets” and the times of Saturday Night Live with Bullisi and Dan Acaroid. are gone. The free flow of ideas and creativity are kind of long gone but others will probably argue different, but that’s just me, an industrial designer / artist/ engineer and other things… thanks for asking, hope description wasn’t too long..
http://officialsite.com/asp/officialsite.asp?RegionID=33&CategoryId=4&Listingid=3399
#109 Southpaw… The ending is obvious… “Why Don’t We”.
October 11th, 2006 at 8:11 pm110 Ya maybe this is a new chatroom… sorry everyone, I’ll go elsewhere…. Maybe Later Folks
October 11th, 2006 at 8:13 pmCommercial on KO.
Ren, anyone…
Is it just me or is Keith seeming to soften?
Starting to worry…
I appreciate your input, ren. My take is that Bmore’s homeless to working people ratio is becoming noticeable to others than myself. Not that I want the people that are needy to be hidden away. I wonder what my city is doing to help them. And I just wondered if your city’s plan had a rhyme and reason.
The homeless population is getting younger, and I (with no information to back this) feel that it is the result of vets coming home to a government that forgot about them.
I don’t have enough money to give to everyone at the bus stop.
There are actually stains on the pillars of the city hall from the people that lay their heads there for rest, as we sit and watch. Phone calls aren’t working.
October 11th, 2006 at 8:26 pmIt is now 8:30. Have You Forgotten?
October 11th, 2006 at 8:33 pm114 SP You are f#cking depressing me… P.S. alot of the now homeless used to have vending jobs before the mid 80’s when the G-man came down on them and now they are just homeless people in general…
October 11th, 2006 at 8:36 pmIt’s now 8:30 do you know where your Page’s are?
October 11th, 2006 at 8:37 pm#93 Thank you, Southpaw…We agree….Nothing wrong with a beer and a ballgame.
Actually, as it turns out I got hung up at work and never got a chance to pick up any beer or snacks. Plus, the Mets-Cardinals game was postponed because of rain. Switching between the Tigers/A’s game and ESPN’s coverage of Lidle’s sad death.
October 11th, 2006 at 8:41 pmWell sh!t, ren, we are in a depressing time.
I don’t feel the need to spell it out. All forms of media outside the U.S. are talking about this except American MSM. And when I say “this” I mean everything that “we ” are ignoring.
Hell, I’m depressing YOU ?!
If the stuff going on in Iraq was happening here? My God. At least we are in our beds at night.
My brother is in Baghdad.
MY BROTHER…IS…IN ….BAGHDAD….
October 11th, 2006 at 8:52 pmExley,
I’m not trying to strum the heart strings here…..
Do you have any siblings? Do you have anyone you care very deeply about, that (I feel like I…..nevermind) you are not sure IF THEY WILL COME HOME OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope your team wins. And I mean baseball. Because, if the good Lord has anything to say, He’s not on your team.
Exley. Please, I am begging you. Think about your life for a moment. Is there anyone….that you couldn’t live wihout….that was suddenly taken….because they believed….that they were doing something…….for someone that didn’t even notice they were doing it.
Please. I beg you to take a step back. No one deserves to lose someone for no reason, nor do they deserve to live in fear of the same.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:00 pmSouthPaw….To answer your first question, please read posting #19.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:04 pmExley, Paul, et al.
Please read this article. Take from it what you will. Just please do me, the U.S. Military, and America a favor and read it. PLEASE!!
October 11th, 2006 at 9:07 pmhttp://www.commondreams.org/views06/1011-22.htm
I don’t understand., Exley.
Say something with meaning for a change. My intent is not to be an a$$hole.
Say something with meaning. I need to know why people with your views are so dissafected.
You have nothing to lose, do you?
No one, as it were.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:11 pm#123, What is not to understand, Southpaw? You asked if I had any siblings. I directed you to posting #19, in which I reference the fact I have a sister. I also have brothers.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:13 pmSouthpaw, I also read Kovic’s piece.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:14 pmJust like the people in NY felt cared when an airplane should fly over, or God forbid crash into a building
Most of the world waits to find out if their BROTHER SIS…
Never mind
fU*K YOU Exley.
Just F you.
You immovable piece of sh!t.
Isn’t there an emoticon for tears?
Your whole family must believe the lies!! There is no way you could form the lifeless opinions you have with ever having to sacrifce anything in your life, yet it’s okay for you to sacrifice people you don’t know.
Very Diplomatic. You make me ashamed to be a human, much less an American.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:18 pm119 Spaw, Yo, chill,,,, I just meant that the same things going on where you are at are going on here with me and I just wish that the weren’t going on with other people where they live. I depresses me that anyone aside from myself has to go through that shit, I’ M sorry…. I’m sorry for what’s going on AND I’M SORRY THAT YOUR BROTHER IS IN BAGDAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOES ANYBODY HERE NOT KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN TO F*UCKING IRAQ OR AHFGANISTAN, WHAAAT THHHEEE FUUUU****KKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 11th, 2006 at 9:20 pmIs your sister enlisted? Is she at war? If so, I will say ap prayer for her tonight. If not, stop using your sister. I’m sure she wouldn’t appreciate that. Karma is a b!tch.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:21 pmSouthpaw, Do you have a point to make or a question to ask? You asked me if I had siblings. I answered you. You asked me to read Kovic’s piece. I have done so. What do you have to say?
October 11th, 2006 at 9:21 pm127 Apparently Exley doesn’tl
I wasn’t attempting to attack you. As you may have noticed, Exley has me a bit distraught. I meant no harm.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:23 pmExley.
Should something go down and you needed shelter….
I’d still take you in, because you are my fellow human.
But while everyone had the GOOD water, you’d have to lap out of the toilet.
What gene pool are you from, anyway?
October 11th, 2006 at 9:28 pmSSSSOUUTTHHH PAWWWWWW!!!
October 11th, 2006 at 9:32 pmHold up… I thought Exley was just some republican tool but now I get it, he’s A F***UCKING ASSH***OLE!!!! He doesn’t get it, I love his sh*t ass responce,“Southpaw, Do you have a point to make or a question to ask? You asked me if I had siblings. I answered you. You asked me to read Kovic’s piece. I have done so. What do you have to say?
WTF, I know exactly where you were going with your questioning and it wasn’t anywhere political.Exley,
“I’m not trying to strum the heart strings here…..
Do you have any siblings? Do you have anyone you care very deeply about, that (I feel like I…..nevermind) you are not sure IF THEY WILL COME HOME OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”“Exley. Please, I am begging you. Think about your life for a moment. Is there anyone….that you couldn’t live wihout….that was suddenly taken….because they believed….that they were doing something…….for someone that didn’t even notice they were doing it.Please. I beg you to take a step back. No one deserves to lose someone for no reason, nor do they deserve to live in fear of the same.”Comment by SouthPaw — October 11, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Exley either doesn’t get it or he just sucks and needs to sacrafice one of his own family to war to find out what it is like to have someone on the line in combat in Iraq right now….
Southpaw, Again I must ask you: Do you have a question to ask me or a point you’d like to make. You have already asked me several questions, which I have answered. I must admit your statement to ren (”As you may have noticed, Exley has me a bit distraught.”) has me baffled. I have no idea what I have said that has caused you distress. Other than posting #118, which was a response and “thank you” to your posting #93, I have not corresponded with you. Your attitude as expressed in your posting #126 puzzles me.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:37 pmMy mistake for being weak. They pounce on it.
I’m going to go to bed and pray to God for all the troops, firefighters, Iraqi coalition forces that had the balls, and all of you that I know that will do something, when the time comes.
I can’t let Exley and the likes make me cry.
I just don’t understand.
Thanks, ren, for having my back.
And plenty of others, who I wish were here right now.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:42 pmThe question at hand——–do you have any siblings enlisted?
And while we’re at it. Why aren’t you?
ANSWER.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:43 pmEXLEY LISTEN TO ME! you need to wake up and read the post.. You so neglected the fact thet SP was trying to reach out to you and you weren’t listening AGAIN!!! And for you to reiterate the fact that you can’t pay attention and feel the pain SP is going through with his brother being in Bagdad than I don’t know what to say to you to wake up….“Southpaw, Again I must ask you: Do you have a question to ask me or a point you’d like to make.”
October 11th, 2006 at 9:45 pmBro, That is the most f*ed up respons e I’ve ever heard to someone trying to talk to you about their brother being in Iraq…
EXLEY, 135 IS ALL YOU
October 11th, 2006 at 9:46 pmSouthpaw, My siblings are not enlisted in the military.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:49 pmRen, SP is a she, boys, don’t cry, ya know! ;)
October 11th, 2006 at 9:49 pmEXLAX, answer him chicken hawk! It is your prez who is playing with the innocent lives of others for his own selfish gain. It saddens me when use and others like you use this war as a way to attack libs and progs. It is disturbing. And yet it seems the ones who are the most against this war are the ones who are serving there or know someone serving there. Many people like me are angry with the fact that people like you are to stubborn this war is a quagmire and that our current administration is corrupt. Then you and your troller friends have the gall to call US unamerican. You should be ashamed…
October 11th, 2006 at 9:50 pmren, You and Southpaw seem to be acting under the misapprehension that I have read all the postings on this thread. I have not. I had no idea that Southpaw’s brother was in the Iraq (presumably in the military). I have several friends stationed in Iraq. As you yourself said in posting 127, “ANYBODY HERE NOT KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN TO IRAQ OR AHFGANISTAN?” The answer to that question is probably not. We likely all know someone who has served in those theaters. I also knew people murdered on 9/11.
Now that we have that established, what is your and Southpaw’s point or question?
October 11th, 2006 at 9:54 pm#139 she…he… you are all brothers and sisters……Sp? anyone with anyone that they love who is in the military deserves our respect and needless to say anyone in combat… p.s. are you a hottie :-/ ?
October 11th, 2006 at 9:56 pmAre you, Exley? Do you even know what that would mean? You are a coward, as is Bush, Cheney, Rummy.
AWOL
Arian Wingnut Oppresive Liars.
I’ve never said anything like this before. Exley, thank you for letting me vent.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:56 pm140, NewProg…Are you in the military? Have you ever volunteered for the military?
October 11th, 2006 at 9:57 pmJust like a repub. Speak before you even read what you are speaking about. God job, Elxey. You make your party proud.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:58 pmLike how Exley is now taking my stance, and asking NewProg if they’ve ever been enlisted?
Thanks Exley, for turning my smile upsidedown.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:59 pmRen, are you a PAGE!!!????!
October 11th, 2006 at 10:00 pmEXLAX
Yes in fact I have… I was in Iraq and I first hand know the slaughter goin on up there. But since I am nothing but a god damn lyin lib to you I guess you really dont care what i think…
October 11th, 2006 at 10:00 pmWait. If you’re hitting one me…
Ren, are you Mark Foley?
October 11th, 2006 at 10:01 pmren, You and Southpaw seem to be acting under the misapprehension that I have read all the postings on this thread. I have not. I had no idea that Southpaw’s brother was in the Iraq (presumably in the military).
October 11th, 2006 at 10:02 pmAGAIN….. YOU ARE THE BIGGEST f*****CKING ASSH**LE EVER. READ THE GOD DAMN POST FOR CHRIST SAKE. why in the hell are you asking questions like, Southpaw, Again I must ask you: Do you have a question to ask me or a point you’d like to make. You have already asked me several questions, which I have answered.
If you cant read the F***ucking posts.
You should be ashamed…
Comment by NewProg — October 11, 2006 @ 9:50 pm
NO! YOU SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED!!!!!
No Exley, my brother is on holiday in Baghad. Postcard is en route!!
October 11th, 2006 at 10:03 pm#145 Southpaw: Speak before you even read what you are speaking about…
Again, I have no idea about what you are referring. As I said, other than posting #118, in which I wrote, “#93 Thank you, Southpaw…We agree….Nothing wrong with a beer and a ballgame,” we have not discussed anything. So, other than writing that ‘thank you’ post, I had not addressed you before you asked me if I had any siblings and to read the Kovic piece. I am not sure what, according to you, I spoke about about before reading.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:03 pmRen, are you a PAGE!!!????!
October 11th, 2006 at 10:04 pmComment by SouthPaw — October 11, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
what does that mean, exactly….
sp why did you say your a girl and boys dont cry? I’m just kidding if your a hottie or not… only if your a honey would i even ask, check it….
October 11th, 2006 at 10:05 pmSouth Paw you are a REAL american. I like wish for more peeps to
October 11th, 2006 at 10:06 pmoverthrow this corrupt and evil government. It destroyed our constitution and denied Americans their rights. This evil administration in a disturbing attempt to take blame off of themselves decided to blame Clinton, Liberals, Homosexuals, so on and so on for their evil ways. Mr.Bush we see through your lies and hate and this nov you will see our rage at the polls!!!!!!!!!
See below, which this will be even below-er, once it posts!
October 11th, 2006 at 10:06 pmComment by Exley — October 11, 2006 @ 10:03 pm
October 11th, 2006 at 10:08 pmThen eithere read the damn posts or, GET THE F***UCK OUT OF THE BLOG!!!!!!!
#151 Try again, ren. After thanking Southpaw for agreeing with me that there is nothing wrong with a beer and a ballgame (see postings 93 and 118), Southpaw asked if I had any siblings and then to read the Kovic article. I responsed to both postings (see 121 and 125) in a very calm and civil tone (and why wouldn’t I be civil…Southpaw after all had stuck up for me)…Then all of sudden in posting 126 Southpaw unexplainedly went off on me, chastising me for some unknown reason. This whole exchange has left me puzzled. That is why I continue to try and understand what is going on.
I will again try to engage you, SouthPaw, in an amicable and civil manner. Yes, I have siblings. No, they are not currently enlisted in the military. Yes, I have friends in Iraq. Yes, I have read Kovic’s piece.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:13 pmRen. I’m kinda hot…..
New Prog. See you at the polls!! I’m doing everything I can locally. Luckily, my family and most of my friends are waking up. I don’t feel “weird” sending them messages from congess, TrueMAjority, etc.
Most of whom have been blind. As was I for too long.
I’m glad as usual to have you guys.
We just need to keep speaking up!!
On that note.
Good night.
Exley, I pray for you. And read the article for real.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:13 pm#157, Calm yourself, Ren. You’re raving.
Southpaw, let’s try this again. I look forward to your response to posting 158.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:17 pmI won’t be engaged in false terms, Exley. Stop being so conveniently confused. It’s unbecoming. And transparent.
I defendend you, and you attacked me. Case closed.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:18 pm#161. Southpaw, where did I attack you. You defended me. I thanked you. You asked me some questions. I responded in a civil tone and awaited additional questions. You then attacked me. Puzzled by your unprovoked attack, I again asked you what point you were trying to make. Since then you have avoided engaging me in a civil discussion despite several attempt by me to re-engage in a civil discussion.
Where have I attacked you? Which posting?
October 11th, 2006 at 10:21 pm(see postings 93 and 118), Southpaw asked if I had any siblings and then to read the Kovic article. I responsed to both postings (see 121 and 125) in a very calm and civil tone (and why wouldn’t I be civil…Southpaw after all had stuck up for me)…Then all of sudden in posting 126 Southpaw unexplainedly went off on me, chastising me for some unknown reason.I will again try to engage you, SouthPaw, in an amicable and civil manner. Yes, I have siblings. No, they are not currently enlisted in the military. Yes, I have friends in Iraq. Yes, I have read Kovic’s piece.Comment by Exley — October 11, 2006 @ 10:13 pm
October 11th, 2006 at 10:27 pmI really don’t know how to say something for the 25TH TIME EXley…. Read between the lines from the post where SP brings up her brother being in Iraq and go on from there, let me help you….#119did you get that One Hundred and Nineteen then read from there…..
Point is honestly, I don’t know South Paw from anyone else but it strikes me that you didn’t have either the energy to go and track down the portions of the blog that were pertinent to the point or you just didn’t give a sh*t too. And worse off is it wasn’t about some topical point that we disguss all the time, IT WAS ABOUT SOMEONES FAMILY MEMBER BEING IN IRAQ!!!!
Exley, you’re klling me.
Just by continuing, by your own admission, to make pionts baced on nothing that you’ve read, you are offending me.
By defending Bush, while having no one that you may lose in the “last throes”, you are offending me.
By not opening your eyes to what YOUR government is doing to this nation, of which you are a part, you are offending me.
Please, Exley. I’m not trying to shove anything down your throat that you’re not already here to seek out.
I am glad you are here. Because it gives me hope that you are curious and questioning of your own beliefs. Not that I don’t think you are entitled to them.
I am glad you are here. And if it takes me having a moment of desparation and crying to keep you here, then I welcome it, and you.
Please keep coming and learinng.
I hope that no one makes you feel you have to leave, or believe.
Just dont be a dick, for Pete’s sake!
October 11th, 2006 at 10:32 pmHey Exley I’ll give you one last chance… read numbers #118 #119#120#121. Now come back and tell us what they say….
October 11th, 2006 at 10:34 pm#163, Ren,
SouthPaw’s posting addressed to me asking if I had any siblings was posting 120. Again, the only prior correspondence I had with Southpaw was about beer and baseball — not the war, not Iraq. I answered her. Twice. Once it was pointed out by you that she had a brother in Iraq and that she was trying to lead me somewhere, I again asked her to continue the discussion. She has refused. I have called no one names. I have empoyed no profanity. I have impugned no one’s character. I have been nothing but civil on this thread. How Southpaw and my brief and innocuous exchange about beer and baseball has degenerated into this name-calling and hostility is beyond me. Again, I invite Southpaw to make her point to me. There is really nothing more I can do at this point.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:36 pm#164, Southpaw, You have not seen some of my comments on other threads here today. I will provide them to you. But, in short, I say in those postings that I now believe it is time to bring the troops home from Iraq.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:38 pmDude you have done the most radical thing that is the most like bush and basically what this site is about and that is DENILE
October 11th, 2006 at 10:43 pmJust read the god damn blog, I cant believe you are saying all this,” well on #17f I said bla bla bla and on #214 I said bla bla bla” read it!!!! This sounds so much like why us lefties don’t respect you, cause it sounds like your in denial when you just cant get what actually happened down…. Read #119 and around there. SP is talking about her brother and reaching out to you to understand… Please…
Exley, I’ve seen your threads.
We’ve had common ground, but never politically. Humanly.
I thought you were one for a minute.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:43 pmSouthpaw, Here are two postings I made today on a separate thread. As you can see, I now believe it may indeed be time to bring the troops (including your brother and my friedns) out of Iraq. Their job there is done:
…your prescription for reducing the death toll in Iraq is withdrawing Coalition troops (which, by the way, I am not saying I disagree with).
Comment by Exley — October 11, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
#156…Okay, Jay. That’s fair. Like I said, I don’t necessarily disagree with you. I think it might indeed be high time to remove our troops from Iraq. The military’s job was to topple Saddam. That had been done. The job of our military was never to try and prevent Iraqis from killing eachother.
Comment by Exley — October 11, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
October 11th, 2006 at 10:46 pmI need my bed, and my dog. And having them makes me happy.
Exley, when you sleep tonight, think about that. Likely there will be no explosions outside your home. No insurgents in your neck of the woods. Just home. Think about what that means to you, and who is lacking that, and why.
Make your own decision.
Goodnight Ren. NewProg, etc.
Thanks for having my back tonight. I’ll be praying for you as well.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:48 pm118 #93 Thank you, Southpaw…We agree….Nothing wrong with a beer and a ballgame.
Actually, as it turns out I got hung up at work and never got a chance to pick up any beer or snacks. Plus, the Mets-Cardinals game was postponed because of rain. Switching between the Tigers/A’s
game and ESPN’s coverage of Lidle’s sad death.
Comment by Exley — October 11, 2006 @ 8:41 pm
#119Well sh!t, ren, we are in a depressing time.
I don’t feel the need to spell it out. All forms of media outside the U.S. are talking about this except American MSM. And when I say “this†I mean everything that “we †are ignoring.
Hell, I’m depressing YOU ?!
If the stuff going on in Iraq was happening here? My God. At least we are in our beds at night.
My brother is in Baghdad.
MY BROTHER…IS…IN ….BAGHDAD….
Comment by SouthPaw — October 11, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
#120Exley,
I’m not trying to strum the heart strings here…..
Do you have any siblings? Do you have anyone you care very deeply about, that (I feel like I…..nevermind) you are not sure IF THEY WILL COME HOME OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope your team wins. And I mean baseball. Because, if the good Lord has anything to say, He’s not on your team.
Exley. Please, I am begging you. Think about your life for a moment. Is there anyone….that you couldn’t live wihout….that was suddenly taken….because they believed….that they were doing something…….for someone that didn’t even notice they were doing it.
Please. I beg you to take a step back. No one deserves to lose someone for no reason, nor do they deserve to live in fear of the same.
Comment by SouthPaw — October 11, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
#121SouthPaw….To answer your first question, please read posting #19.Comment by Exley — October 11, 2006 @ 9:04 pm
October 11th, 2006 at 10:50 pmHas the building collapsed yet?
October 11th, 2006 at 10:52 pm#168, Ren…This is surreal! How many times have I said that now that you and Southpaw have told me that her brother is in the military, stationed in Iraq, and that she was trying to lead me somewhere, that I wanted to re-engage with Southpaw? I have now read the posting 119 and all subsequent postings. I realize her brother is in Iraq. I had repeatedly said I want to pick up the dialogue again. I really don’t know what more I can do.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:52 pmUmmm, get off your soap box and have a heart; a
October 11th, 2006 at 10:57 pmUmmm, get off your soap box and have a heart; a
October 11th, 2006 at 10:57 pmGet off your soap box and have a heart, and stop re-directing your questions to people that didn’t ask them.
How’s that for a start?
October 11th, 2006 at 10:58 pmComputer shut me down, sorry for the multiple posts…
October 11th, 2006 at 10:59 pm#175, Okay, Southpaw, I give up. I have repeatedly attempted to re-engage in a civil and meaningful discussion of whatever topic you initially wanted to discuss with me. You have refused. I appreciate your comments about baseball and beer. I would have enjoyed continuing the other topic of conversation. Perhaps some other time. Have a good night. As I do for all our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world, I wish your brother a safe tour and safe journey home as soon as possible.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:02 pm#174 Exley, I dont know what you can do except to say im sorry for posting crap like,”I’ve posted other things that you would like” or what ever… This isn’t suck up time, it’s grown up time.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:02 pmHere is what you say,“SP I am very sorry that I did not go back and read the blogs that you posted and I myself posted ignorant retorts in response to things that you have said. I didn’t have any idea that I was being cold and mistakenly came across that way. I am very sorry and in the future would much respect correspondence with you on the blogs. Again, I am sorry if I have upset you in any way or have offended you in any way, my apologies….”
P.S. by the way all of that apologie retoric will gett you nowhere if it isn’t from the heart and if it is from the heart it will only heal about 10% of the damage that the thusfar neglect has done, but it’s moving foward and better than just being stubborn and dumb…
October 11th, 2006 at 11:06 pm#180 Ren, I find it ironic that you are criticizing me for not reading every single posting on this thread and not being aware that in an earlier post that Southpaw stated sge had a brother in Iraq when the fact is that the whole discussion started when Southpaw asked me a question when I had already provided the answer to her question in an earlier post; specifcially, Southpaw asked me if I had any siblings, when I had already mentioned my sister.
So, in Ren’s world, it is acceptable for some people to skip posts but not others.
Come on, Ren. You can do better than that.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:09 pm“The White House just announced that because of the recent events in New York troops will be immediately sent to Bermuda to hunt down and take into custody the leader of the responsible terrorist organization. The troops will be looking for one Mister George Steinbrenner the reported mastermind and financial backer of the organization.â€
October 11th, 2006 at 11:10 pmHello, she asked you that later on too… did you ever here of conversation and rhetoric? speaking and conversating with eachother not merely repeating. come on exley, you can do better than that…
October 11th, 2006 at 11:14 pm184 –Ren, Yes, after I pointed out that I had already provided the information she had requested, she asked a follow-up question…which I also answered. Just as, after I was informed that some information about Southpaw had already been posted, I responded accordingly…I have attempted to pick up this conversation repeatedly; answered all of SP’s questions, only to be rebuffed.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:19 pmHEAR Hello?
October 11th, 2006 at 11:19 pm#183 very nice… dobbs is doing ok staying away from the mexicans on the daily show so far eh?
October 11th, 2006 at 11:22 pmMoreover #184, did you ever here of conversation and rhetoric? speaking and conversating with eachother not merely repeating.….Indeed. And so I would ask why Southpaw did not merely inform me that her brother was in Iraq instead of assuming that I had read every single post on this thread (Something that she herself had not done) and then refusing to divulge that information directly to me?
October 11th, 2006 at 11:22 pmAnd, finally, Ren…Care to explain this rather bizarre sentence?:
I dont know what you can do except to say im sorry for posting crap like,â€I’ve posted other things that you would like†or what ever…
October 11th, 2006 at 11:25 pm#185 Exley have you ever had to sincerely had to apologize to anybody? Please read the blog again and again if you have to and please try to get what sp is saying. I give you credit on your effort to try and grasp what sp is saying but you are clearly not seeing the point…. I cant argue this anymore, we are just not seeing eye to eye on this but we’ll get through it… I’ll be online arguing still but not on this, forgive me.. talk to you later exley…
October 11th, 2006 at 11:29 pm#190
Fine, Ren…As I said, this whole “conversation” has been surreal and baffling. Let’s move on.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:32 pm#188 exley you just wont let me go will you? We said read the blog then we said #118 and #119 like 5 times so there is no excuse there…I guess we’re at the point where you have to let this go… will you?.But not after my favorite denile…Indeed. And so I would ask why Southpaw did not merely inform me that her brother was in Iraq instead of assuming that I had read every single post on this thread (Something that she herself had not done) and then refusing to divulge that information directly to me?
October 11th, 2006 at 11:38 pm#192, Ren,
I thought we were letting this go (See 190, 191)???? I am done with this topic. It is too frustrating and bizarre.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:46 pmSouthPaw. I read the Kovic piece. I hope the best for you and your family. All I can say is, I spent 10 years in the military in a combat role. I would go to Iraq now and my kids are young, but I would support them going when they get older. Neither of us is inhumane, we have different beliefs. You could make the argument that World War II wasn’t worth it, but it depends on what you believe is worth fighting for. I simply believe that there is an ideology in the Middle East that poses a threat to our freedoms and way of life. I site pre-9/11 attacks, 9/11, Danish cartoons, Pope incident, Cancelled German play, etc. I just see differently than you. I could be wrong and so could you. I would die to ensure our freedom of speech, right to vote, freedom of religion, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I’m sure you would too, if that is what you thought was at stake. We loss 300,000 Americans in WWII, the world lost 10’s of millions. If we are unwilling to take any loss, we become paralyzed to take any action.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:10 am196- Paul, if I felt that our defending our basic freedoms as Americans was the reason for the war, I too would be supportive of it. No doubt there. Where we don’t agree is the basis of what this war is for.
I respect your opinion, and thank you for your 10 years of service. I am glad you are still here to talk about it.
I’m just not sure that we’re killing people by the ______ (insert zeros for whichever study you side with) for any valuable reason.
You say that there is an ideology that makes you feel the Middle East has poses a threat. Don’t they have the right to hold their own ideology? Don’t you suppose that the US thinking that its ideology is bigger and better than theirs and shoving it in their faces, is kinda rude?
If there is a threat, our nation’s security needs to be tightened to protect us. Let’s spend the money on that. For every person with the ideology you speak of that we capture or kill, there are probably several more taking that place. We are making it worse.
How did this get on a thread about a plane crash?! ;)
I again truly thank you for your military service, Paul.
October 12th, 2006 at 9:54 amSouthPaw, hopefully we’ll all get some idea of resolution in November, but that’s wishful thinking. I believe that one day, this will pass and we will still or again be proud to be Americans. Until then, I respect the way you feel. Peace and love.
October 12th, 2006 at 10:09 amSo, SouthPaw, are you through with your tantrum and ready to act like an adult now?
I will give you another chance: What was your point?
October 12th, 2006 at 11:40 amExley, I haven’t even caught up with all the comments, but I think you’re taking the wrong approach here. SouthPaw needs sympathy and understanding, she(?) is very upset and worried about her brother in Baghdad. Poor thing, she has my sympathies, and she should have yours, too. You need to be nice, caring, concerned, not just civil. Try again, without the snarkiness. You can do it! :-)
Talk to you later.
October 12th, 2006 at 12:16 pmFor all us Truthers
This is all planned out by evil Bushco.
They are trying to scare us.
Here is the real story.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/11/video-south-park-spoofs-truther-morons/
October 12th, 2006 at 12:16 pmBut the mark of a great presidency is not eloquence. It is not great delivery of speeches. It is results and the inspiration the president gives to the nation. In that sense, it cannot be denied that Dubya has been a great president.Comment by Exley — October 12, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
October 12th, 2006 at 12:33 pm#200 Hi Jane….
Looks like we have to wait one more night. If you look at the entire exchange between me, SouthPaw, and an intervening (but well-meaning) Ren, I think you will see that I have been nothing but polite to Southpaw from the very moment she sought to engage me in a discussion. I answered all her questions in a polite and civil tone. And her response to me was:
Never mind fU*K YOU Exley. Just F you. You immovable piece of sh!t.
It was a bizarre and uncalled for response to…well…nothing. If you are interested, look at the postings starting at Posting #120, which was the first posting where SouthPaw addressed me, and take it from there. You will see that I made repeated attempts to engage Southpaw in a civil and meaningful exchange. She chose to ignore these overtures, and instead opted to lob hostile invectives. (Have you ever known me to use such unsavory language, Jane?)
As you know, Jane, I have great respect for the men and women who serve in the military, especially those who are in Iraq and Afghanistan in combat against our savage enemies. As I said, I have several friends over there. I also know people murdered on 9/11. Southpaw’s brother has my respect and admiration. But Southpaw does not have a monopoly on having a personal stake in the War on Terror.
However, it is exactly because I respect the service of Southpaw’s brother that I opted again today — following a good night’s sleep – to try and get Southpaw to make the point she was going to explain before she started to hurl insults. I am more than willing to and desirous of hearing what she has to say…(At the same time, Jane, I am not going to allow myself to be anyone’s punching bag! :) ) I hope Southpaw responds to me….
October 12th, 2006 at 12:39 pmWell, Ren, we all know Exley’s wrong on that count! Unless he’s thinking the way, is it Time magazine that puts out the Man of the Year cover, awarding it to the most influential person, even if it’s someone like Ayatollah Khomeini (sp?). In this case, the results are just plain awful, and the inspiration is fear.
October 12th, 2006 at 12:42 pm#203 Bla Freakin’ Bla Bla….Drop it Exley it’s over and done. By the way aren’t we all supposed to be at work during the week? The only reason I’m even on is cause I’m at home sick as a dog. WTF?
October 12th, 2006 at 12:44 pmExley, you steamed my so much lastnight that I cursed at you. On that one post. I was as civil to you as possible, and refrained from name calling until that point. I am not going to sit here and debate you on how you peaved me, because I stated that in post #164, and that’s all I have to say about that.
I recant the foul language, and hope that you will forgive me that. It stands that I think you are immovable.
Thank, Jane, for your well wishes.
Exley, I’m done talking to you for a while.
October 12th, 2006 at 12:45 pm#204 what’s up JaneE. How’s things? I just had to post that quote from Exley, it’s so crazy funny and sad. The whole thing last night with South Paw and Exley was so draining, he just couldn’t get is and still doesn’t and I guess never will.. so I’m dropping it, I can’t get sucked back into an insane discussion. Hope all is good with you guys though take care JaneE…
October 12th, 2006 at 12:49 pmSouthPaw, how’re you feeling today. I felt so bad for you last night, but I had to leave (was at the office) so I couldn’t jump in to try to help out. Hope your bed and your dog helped. :-)
Ren, sorry to hear you’re not feeling well. I’m only popping in and out of TP during the day today because I won’t have any time after work. Feel better!
October 12th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThanks JaneE, Hey SP how are you by the way? Didn’t mean to jump in to much to “rescue” you or anything, just thought I could help take the pressure off last night and clarify things for Exley. I am so sorry that you had to endure that last night. It’s one thing when someone f*ck’s with me (I can usually take it) but, when someone f*ck’s with another person who I respect or care about or even someone who is completely non-deserving of being toyed with; that upsets me more than anything and it’s hard not to jump in. I feel your frustration and hope you can understand that there are others reading your posts who completely understand what you are going through and care for you and your family of Firefighters and Vets and yourself, stay strong because there are many more fights ahead. -ren
October 12th, 2006 at 1:20 pmNote that the hole that the plane went through was smaller in diameter than the width of the plane’s wings, therefore the wings sheared off and can be seen outside the building, as the laws of science and common sense would dictate.
I guess the “plane” that hit the Pentagon on 9-11 did not believe in those same laws!
October 12th, 2006 at 1:26 pmHey Ren, Jane! I’m much better today, now that I have had time to take a step back from the situation and see that I was just giving Exley exactly what he wanted.
I really think people like him have no emotions, so they try to invoke them from others to see what happens. Preferably not the happy ones, if they can help it. They don’t understand them, although they think they do.
In hindsight, I feel sorry for him. He will never get it. (And that applies on so many levels, doesn’t it?) heh heh. ;)
You did not jump in too much, Ren!! I appreciate it!
October 12th, 2006 at 1:29 pmBTW, Ren. I am at work!! No one pays any attention to me in my office as long as I meet my deadlines, which is always.
So I can hop in on TP whenever.
Sorry you’re not feeling well. We have quite bug floating around these parts, too.
October 12th, 2006 at 1:37 pmSP good to see that you didn’t get sucked into the B.S. On a certain level I tend to believe he was being genuine. (A genuine A@sss H**ole) in that like you say he cannot help it. It’s like the quote that he said earlier today: But the mark of a great presidency is not eloquence. It is not great delivery of speeches. It is results and the inspiration the president gives to the nation. In that sense, it cannot be denied that Dubya has been a great president.Comment by Exley — October 12, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
October 12th, 2006 at 1:44 pmNow WTF is that all about? Like you said SP, you’ve got to watch out how far you let yourself get sucked into debates with some people. P.S. I am not one to think these guys like Exley are amusing because we are dealing with such serious issues, so it’s hard to find some fecicious comments funny, but I still try.. All in all.. see ya round Southie..
#205, 206, 207….Back from lunch and back in the office….Yes, ren, I should be working….But, I just don’t feel like it….I am reminded of the line from Peter Gibbons in Office Space– “It’s not that I’m lazy, Bob. It’s that I just don’t care.”
And you are correct, Ren; last night was exhausting and insane. We, of course, differ as to who was being exhausting and perplexing, but nevertheless.
Southpaw, I accept your apology the name-calling and foul language. Let us move forward amicably.
Jane, say hi to Wayne….Looks like we will get the game in tonight.
October 12th, 2006 at 1:46 pm#212 Hey, SP, I shouldn’t be talking sh*t about people being at work or not… It’s just f*cked up that my whole building is full of jackoff’s that don’t do jack all day and I get home from work and I just get depressed to think why I go to work all day and bust my ass…? (by the way, I went to school for Fine Arts, Industrial Design, Engineering but was a drop-out in my third year. I saw the writing on the wall, I’m good at math but cant do it all day for a living/ I’m a great designer but all they want you to do is SELL a product, instead of creating better design’s/ I’m a pretty good artist but it just so turn’s out that doing Fine Art is the hardest of the three…Anyways.. some background to last night. What I am now is a Mechanic and Fabricator of Steel, so much for all the College work…)
October 12th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#214, Exley, It’s hard not to appreciate anyone who like’s “Office Space” or didn’t you get the memo?
October 12th, 2006 at 1:58 pm#216, No, ren, I got the memo…I just forgot. But the TPS reports don’t go out until tomorrow, so there’s no problem….Hold on, ren, my phone is ringing….
Hello…..No, I got the memo….
Ren, I gotta take this…
October 12th, 2006 at 2:01 pmYou have to have a great Idea, Like that guy that came up with the pet rock…
October 12th, 2006 at 2:08 pmYou know, I had a great Idea once…
It was a,” JUMP…TO…CONCLUSIONS…MAT”
That is the worst idea I have ever heard.
Yes, yes….This is terrible this idea.
October 12th, 2006 at 2:09 pmExley, Ren, Office Space is why I call my collection of Mets’ pins “flair”.
Where Wayne and I work, a few years ago they hired some consultants to talk to us and figure out where things could be improved, so we called them the “Bobs.”
October 12th, 2006 at 2:11 pm#220….Actually, Jane, we need to talk about your “flair.” Now, as you know, 15 pieces of flair is the bare minimum…Now, it is up to you if you are comfortable doing the minimum, but look at Brian over there…He has 37 pieces of flair…
October 12th, 2006 at 2:23 pmBoy, have we gone off-topic!:-D
October 12th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#223…Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off….But the new topic is much more fun. Is Wayne really boycotting TP, Jane?
October 12th, 2006 at 2:35 pmFor the time being at least. He may lurk occasionally, or even post occasionally, but for now he’s pretty much staying away.
October 12th, 2006 at 2:46 pmThat’s shame…I liked talking to Wayne. Well, when the Mets win it all, I better see him here so we can all congratulate eachother.
October 12th, 2006 at 2:48 pmthe conversation about the flair in the movie was much like last nights conversation in that Jen Aniston kept asking if she needed to wear more flair and he wouldn’t answer her directly… That’s what you were doing Exley… You just wouldn’t get the point, no offence….It’s a “Jump to Conclusions mat”. You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.
October 12th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#226 REN! We keep agreeing to drop this matter and yet you keep bringing it up again! Obviously, we don’t view last night the same way…As Jay says in 40 Year Old Virgin: “Now you’re being condescending. You’ve been warned, awright? Let’s move forward amicably.”
:)
October 12th, 2006 at 3:09 pmI was just talking about the ‘flair’ the other day!
Anyway, Ren, I hear you. I majored in English, and I’ve been a paralegal since I graduated–4 years ago! (Bushco & NCLB keeping me out of the classroom for now, but hope to teach someday soon.)
A good friend of mine graduated from the same school as I did with a degree in Theater. She is also a paralegal.
Glad you saw the writing on the wall in time to save some money.
Exley, I had to laugh when I saw your initial office space comment. I kinda feel the same way about my job….
October 12th, 2006 at 3:11 pm#228 Actually, SouthPaw, I just used that line with a co-worker while I was at lunch. That is why it was fresh in my mind when I came back to the office and put up the posting to Ren.
Southpaw, I am sorry we got off on the wrong foot last night. I didn’t mean to come off as insensitive or a jerk. I must admit I am still not sure what I did wrong. But I apologize.
October 12th, 2006 at 3:16 pm#227 I haven’t seen that one but I assume that “the warning” is just a movie line because obviously you wouldn’t actually have the rocks to be”warning” me about anything, right?
October 12th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWhat’s with the freakin delay on the site. I posted something and it doesn’t come up for 10 minuts.. sorry about the double post//
October 12th, 2006 at 3:23 pm#230, Ren…I said it was a quote. It’s from “The 40-Year-Old Virgin.” VERY funny movie. I highly recommend you rent the DVD. But make sure you rent the “Director’s Cut.”
October 12th, 2006 at 3:26 pmHoly sh!t!!!
Thanks for the apology, Exley.
I’m sure you’ll piss me off again later! :)
October 12th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#234 just didn’t like the “Warning”part… I’ll check it out, thanks
October 12th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#233, SP I said that was all he had to do last night, sometimes it takes awhile for the crow to digest…but nice work Exley…you did it…
October 12th, 2006 at 3:40 pmI’m sure you’ll piss me off again later! :)
No doubt, Southpaw, no doubt! :)
October 12th, 2006 at 3:41 pm#234…Ren…It is just a very funny line (in context) from a very funny movie.
Relax, dude. No hostile intent.
October 12th, 2006 at 3:42 pmyo 239, I know all good here too…
October 12th, 2006 at 3:46 pm#235…Hoo boy, ren. You can’t let it go, can you?
#233, SP I said that was all he had to do last night,…
Ummm, I do not need you to tell me what I should do or “have to do.”
it takes awhile for the crow to digest
Again, no “crow” has been consumed. I expressed my regrets to SouthPaw for our getting off on the wrong foot.
Once again, as Jay said: “Now you’re being condescending…Let’s move on amicably.”
October 12th, 2006 at 3:48 pm#240 Ren….yo 239, I know all good here too…
Good Lord! This is the thread that will never end!!!! Maybe we should all just exit before we start feuding again!
PEACE OUT!!!! (Or whatever it is the kids say these days :) )
October 12th, 2006 at 3:50 pm#239 Hey Exley ok…. On the count of three it’s done ok? One…… Two………… Two and a half……… Two and Three Quarters…….THREE!!!!!
October 12th, 2006 at 3:51 pmOk…. we’re done right?
#243 Done AND DONE!
October 12th, 2006 at 3:53 pmDONE! ;)
October 12th, 2006 at 3:56 pmBut one more thing…….
Just kidding.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:00 pmBut last night Exley……:)
October 12th, 2006 at 4:01 pmSamir: No one in this country can ever pronounce my name right. It’s not that hard: Samir Na-gheen-an-a-jar. Nagheenanajar.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:07 pmBolton: Yeah, well at least your name isn’t Michael Bolton.
Samir: You know there’s nothing wrong with that name.
Bolton: There was nothing wrong with it… until I was about 12 years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.
Samir: Hmm… well why don’t you just go by Mike instead of Michael?
Bolton: No way. Why should I change? He’s the one who sucks.
Are you guys “done” yet?!
October 12th, 2006 at 4:08 pm#248, Yes, Jane….Peace has broken out.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:10 pm#246 Ren…That exchange contain two of my favorite tidbits from the movie:
1) “No-talent ass-clown” (which I used the other day when someone brought up the name James Blunt (shudder))
2) “No way. Why should I change? He’s the one who sucks.” Just brilliant.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:13 pmPeter Gibbons: So I was sitting in my cubicle today, and I realized, ever since I started working, every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that’s on the worst day of my life.
Dr. Swanson: What about today? Is today the worst day of your life?
Peter Gibbons: Yeah.
Dr. Swanson: Wow, that’s messed up.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:16 pm“No-talent ass-clown†I love that too, I steal it alot…
October 12th, 2006 at 4:18 pmBolton: If we get caught, we’re not going to white-collar resort prison. No, no, no. We’re going to federal POUND ME IN THE ASS prison.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:20 pmSamir: I don’t want to go to ANY prison!
Bob Porter: Looks like you’ve been missing a lot of work lately.
October 12th, 2006 at 4:21 pmPeter Gibbons: Well, I wouldn’t exactly say I’ve been *missing* it, Bob.
#253…Classic. That is the BEST line in whole movie, right next to my motto, whcih I told you earlier:
“It’s not that I’m lazy, Ren. It’s that I just don’t care.”
October 12th, 2006 at 4:32 pmIf I don’t get the chance before I leave work today:
Exley: what can I say besides “LET’S GO METS!” Enjoy the game (at least you have your beer and snacks ready!)
Ren, SouthPaw, have a great evening. I’m glad this thread worked out better today than yesterday. Ren, again, hope you feel better. SouthPaw, my thoughts are with you and your brother.
‘Til tomorrow!
October 12th, 2006 at 4:55 pmNot to offend mets fans but I’ve been a mets fan my whole life and they always seem to cave under pressure. Good luck but they are going to get spanked….
October 12th, 2006 at 5:00 pmRen, BLASPHEMY!!!!!
Jane, Tell Wayne I said hello and LET’S GO METS!!!!!!!!!!
Good night, Southpaw, Ren
October 12th, 2006 at 5:06 pmHey, Ren, you think we don’t know that?:-) I’m terrified they’re going to blow it, but that’s part of being a Mets fan. It’s doubly worse when you’re a Mets fan AND a Jets fan!
Gotta go–goodnight, all!
October 12th, 2006 at 5:13 pmDon’t even go there with the Jets….
October 12th, 2006 at 5:14 pmRen
Nice to see you back. I am a giants fan, and a jets fan so double the chances of having one of my teams winning.
Southpaw
Good to here you doing better. I know it is frustrating talking to some trolls and I admire your dignity.
Exley
I appologize for the attacks on you. You did not deserve it. I hope you forgive me.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:01 pmExleyI appologize for the attacks on you. You did not deserve it. I hope you forgive me.
October 13th, 2006 at 12:00 amComment by NewProg — October 12, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
Yes he deserved it at the time but now its ok, but he did deserve it last night
#260 NewProg….No apologies necessary. No hard feelings. Thank you.
October 13th, 2006 at 1:50 am#261….REN!!!
You have violated the armistice of Postings# 241-245!!!!!!!!
But in the interests of peace, I will look past this transgression.
October 13th, 2006 at 1:53 amAs a pilot learning to fly at age 14 Doctors examinations include depth perception so that pilots can judge how far from an object they are in landings and emergencies.
While training with a flight instructor as we took off after leaving the runway the flight instuctor CUT THE ENGINE to teach me what to do. He immediatly dove the aircraft to gain speed directly at a ranch house at the end of the runway;then restarted the engine gave it full throttle and in a dive gaining speed pulled up and just missed the house.
This is the kind of training and more pilots go through to get certified.
My comment is this was a pitcher for the New York Yankees that threw strikes and balls I could not throw even as a pilot and he hit a 50 story building dead center after turning away from the East River where he could have ditched?
This is NOT a jet aircraft and flying this type of plane at low altitudes zig zagging between New York Sky Scrappers to find a suitable landing spot instead of the East River for any pilot shows utter stupidy!
My guess is since Stienbrenner wanted to fire Joe Torrey the week before for loosing the pennant Torrey blamed Lidel for the loss;and Lidel showed everyone what he could do as a pilot.
New York needs to raise the ceiling on Aircraft above 500 feet and restrict private aircraft from playing PINBALL with its high rise buildings.
Dwight D. Leister:Chair
October 13th, 2006 at 12:38 pmhttp://www.committee-to-elect.org
Exley: Yay, hooray! Mets win Game 1 (”…and there was much rejoicing.”)
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