Colorado Group: God, Moses Oppose State Minimum Wage Increase
Colorado Group: God, Moses Oppose State Minimum Wage Increase
This November, Coloradoans will vote on Amendment 42, a ballot initiative to raise the state minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.85. If the initiative passes, the minimum wage would be “adjusted annually for inflation, as measured by the Consumer Price Index used for Colorado.”
Stop 42, the group opposed to the initiative, is taking a “biblical” approach in their campaign against a minimum wage increase. Their new ad depicts a “Moses” character speaking to the voice of God in the Rocky Mountains. “We need divine intervention,” Moses says. God responds: “We can’t let the people make this mistake. Go. Spread the word. Vote no on 42!”
More than 650 of the nation’s leading economists disagree. The academics said in a statement issued by the Economic Policy Institute, “[M]odest increases in state minimum wages in the range of $1.00 to $2.50 and indexing to protect against inflation can significantly improve the lives of low-income workers and their families, without the adverse effects that critics have claimed.”
Divine intervention may be the only thing that can help the Stop 42 campaign. In the latest Rocky Mountain News/CBS 4 poll, 74 percent of Colorado voters said they will “definitely” or “probably” support Amendment 42.
Transcript:
MOSES: Hello!
GOD: Can you hear me now?
MOSES: We need divine intervention. They want to chisel Amendment 42 into Colorado’s constitution where it doesn’t belong.
GOD: What on earth are you talking about?
MOSES: An annual minimum wage increase in stone for eternity!
GOD: When inflation and recession come, it will be a catastrophe!
MOSES: It’s a plague we’ll face every year.
GOD: We can’t let the people make this mistake. Go. Spread the word. Vote no on 42!
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October 14th, 2006 at 9:39 amAll I can think of is Mel Brooks’s Moses having to modify his statement from 15 to 10 commandments upon dropping one of the tablets and breaking it…
Why are there pedaphile Republicans in congress?
October 14th, 2006 at 9:40 amAfter seeing this foolishness, I will get Wikipedia to place that organization’s name under their entry for “Wack-Job”.
October 14th, 2006 at 9:43 amJesus himself would vote for an increase in the minimum wage. The only folks who would not want the minimum wage increased are the greedy corporate types who would like all of us to work for $1.00 a day.
I guess that would be most, if not all, of the Bush crowd.
October 14th, 2006 at 9:54 amThat Moses guy really gets around…
October 14th, 2006 at 9:59 amMy goodness, that’s hilarious and frightening all at the same time! Who woulda thunk God was against helping the poor.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:00 amAmerica’s Least Wanted
Do you think God would have liked the Republicans to stop the pedaphilia?
October 14th, 2006 at 10:12 amInsane. Demented. there’s not a molecule of integrity or common sense to be divided amongst the lot of them.
Commandment 11 for what it’s worth. Thou shalt not behave like a brainless f’n idiot in the name of GOD.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:13 amAnd people really have to wonder why there are fewer Atheists in prison…
Why does anyone believe such utter nonsense when there is no proof or valid evidence that there are gods or other supernatural forces out there that have an opinion on human atrocities that they clearly cannot or will not stop. Such is the lunacy of organized religion. The same people who claim to have a monopoly on morality when they do not exhibit one ounce of ethical behaviour. It’s dangerous nonsense what these hypocrites sell. Period.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:21 amThis clearly illustrates the hubris of the Republican leadership. It also makes it abundantly clear who they truely serve.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:22 amThis looks like a church vs state violation in sheeps clothing to me. Somehow I get a whiff of Dobson’s gang in this. Will the IRS ever take these groups down and charge some taxes? If you’re going to play, you gotta pay.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:23 amGOD: What on earth are you talking about?
Huh? I thought their dude was ‘all-knowing’.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:23 am**blinking**
Jesus would cockpunch every last one of these idiots.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:26 amnot raising the wage would help who?
October 14th, 2006 at 10:35 ammust be the people making this ad? why?
because they have to pay employees that they believe to be stupid, and they advertise directly to them
it is what religion is all about
Yoiks! Never mind that Moses was the one handing down the law of Having A Weekend!
October 14th, 2006 at 10:37 amThis must be a subversive ad in FAVOR of Amendment 42. No viewer would be tempted to do anything other than vote for it after seeing this dreck.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:38 amJesus would cockpunch every last one of these idiots
Would that be kung fu grip Jesus?
He kicks ass for God!
WWJCP?
October 14th, 2006 at 10:39 am(Who would Jesus CockPunch?)
There oughta be an eleventh commandment:
October 14th, 2006 at 11:01 amThou shalt pay a living wage
I am not a religious person, but isn’t this use of God’s name and the imagery of Moses for a trite political purpose blasphemous to the Christian faith? Seriously. Let’s hear something about this from religious leaders (self-appointed or otherwise).
What does Daryll think of this?
October 14th, 2006 at 11:03 amThe arrogance and hubris of those that think they know the Supreme Entity’s desires and plans just boggles me… But not as much as those who take them at their word and act on their misguided statements. Of course, it could be just shallow manipulation rather than hubris… That somehow makes it worse.
God, by definition, is indefinable. Think on that.
And a bonus question: What is the one thing that an omnipotent, omniscient being CANNOT do?
October 14th, 2006 at 11:04 amWould that be kung fu grip Jesus?
Comment by Wilco — October 14, 2006 @ 10:39 am
You know, I just thought of a conservative marketing goldmine from that comment… A line of Jesus Christ figurines (cross and crown of thorns sold seperately).
Kung Fu grip Jesus
Tele-Evangelical Jesus
Baghdad Marine Jesus
FOX News commentator Jesus
etc…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:04 amAnd a bonus question: What is the one thing that an omnipotent, omniscient being CANNOT do?
Comment by Technodaoist — October 14, 2006 @ 11:04 am
Exist
October 14th, 2006 at 11:07 amIs Moses wearing glasses? WTF?
October 14th, 2006 at 11:08 amAs a Coloradoan, the fact that there are folks out here like that is embarassing. This state is a little weird, although there are enclaves of radical fundamentalism and nouveau riche republicans; the state now has a Democratic state legislature and is about to elect a Democratoc Governor.
The Colorado Springs area is detached from reality (and IMO, Christianity) and the bizarre and rightwing crap that comes out of there doesn’t represent the majority. Think about the progressives that live in the Springs- they’re REALLY isolated. It’s interesting, though; the gay community is really vocal down there- amazing strength.
I would LOVE to see the DNC pick Denver as the convention site- what a slap in the face of Dobson and his misguided flock.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:09 amWould that be kung fu grip Jesus?
Comment by Wilco — October 14, 2006 @ 10:39 am
Oh - quick link. Speaking of economics and religion. One of my favorite places for online shopping:
http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net
I have collected them all, but I seem to have misplaced my Allah action figure…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:11 amI see the font size has not been corrected back to the way it was before! If nobody on here complains about it, then TP will think you all like it, so contact Judd to change it back, otherwise nobody will read your posts!
October 14th, 2006 at 11:13 amExist
Comment by unbelievable
An excellent answer, but for the purposes of this theorm we are assuming that existence is a given. Not a defined given, this is after all a mental exercise…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:13 amI have collected them all, but I seem to have misplaced my Allah action figure…
Comment by Technodaoist — October 14, 2006 @ 11:11 am
Damn it… Someone beat me to it!
October 14th, 2006 at 11:14 amun
October 14th, 2006 at 11:17 amdont forget the pedophile Republican legislator jeebus
oh, yeah and the sanctimonious dog-man exSenator jeebus
Technodaoist (wow that’s hard to spell)
October 14th, 2006 at 11:18 amHow about commit suicide?
we are assuming that existence is a given. Not a defined given, this is after all a mental exercise…
Comment by Technodaoist — October 14, 2006 @ 11:13 am
Alright… An all-knowing being could not ‘not know’.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:18 amRUCerious.
Of course not! :)
And let’s hope that the American public doesn’t forget them either…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:21 amOh well if you all do not care that TP has reduced your posts to total insignificance, then say nothing about the font size, but realize that most of your posts will no longer be read by most visitors to this site!
My fellow Americans are being turned into sheep, so believe your votes get counted in November, when in fact they are NOT counted > lol.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:23 amAlright… An all-knowing being could not ‘not know’.
Comment by unbelievable — October 14, 2006 @ 11:18 am
Pretty much the answer I came up with. It would be unable to experience unrelated, unforeseen events.
I like to think that’s where we come in. The exception to prove the rule that is the existence of the universe. Not saying this is the answer to my question, each person is unique and will come to their own solution.
Or we’re just really advanced bacteria with thumbs. Your decision. :)
October 14th, 2006 at 11:24 amGod loves the poor and wants to keep them that way - evidently that’s why he made so many of them.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:25 amTechnodaoist (wow that’s hard to spell)
How about commit suicide?
Another possibility… Ending omnipotence implies that omnipotence did not exist… So I’d say yah.
Thank you all for participating in my Saturday boredom… Its a kick to actually get answers.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:27 amI think it’s really the voice of Satan. Moses held God’s commandments, why would God make him smash commandments he had just given Moses? There is no logic to this video.
Then again, there is no logic to religion.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:28 amGood Morning, Zooey, Unbelievable and Jay…..Would drop Judd and crew a note about the small lettering but they don’t respond to me about anything..
Grey, cloudy weather headed you’re way Zooey, I hate these kind of day’s, hope the sun comes out soon….
Critters are fed and trees are hugged, morning chores are done…
TP as usual is putting nonsence on thread’s that don’t apply to me at all, nothing on the bill’s or even about the meetings in the Security councel so I will shuffel off to Oped new’s truthout and some of my other new’s sources..Blessings to you all…Peace and happy posting
October 14th, 2006 at 11:29 amTechnodaoist,
The all-knowing being would be unable to limit our free will.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:30 amWOW - God is against helping the poor.
So…since we have not heard from “God” on a television commercial regarding global warming, killing innocent people in other countries, torture, pillaging the fisc, accepting bribes, etc., these repugnuts must believe God is for them. Cause we all know God makes his wishes known through advertising!!!
October 14th, 2006 at 11:30 amTechnodaoist,
The all-knowing being would be unable to limit our free will.
Comment by Zooey — October 14, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Another good one. I would counter-debate with the fact that freewill itself is a philosophical concept and ask “How would you know if your freewill is hindered or removed?” It is easily within an omnipotent being’s ability to make you think you have freewill.
I believe I have the freewill in question, but have no proof of such. Until otherwise proven I shall act as I do possess freewill and say that you are right, Zooey. :)
Another question: Does coffee prove the existence of God? - kinda rhetorical :)
October 14th, 2006 at 11:37 amOr we’re just really advanced bacteria with thumbs. Your decision. :)
Comment by Technodaoist — October 14, 2006 @ 11:24 am
Seems to be the reality, but we know how few of our species can handle the fact that this entire universe was not created specifically for them to use and abuse until they retire to a vast sky-lounge where they sing and praise their Lord all the live long day.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:38 amSharon Cox > I have decided to boycott TP untill they change the font size back to more readable type > the posts in this format will NOT be read by most visitors, so why bother to say anything on here > bye all and take care > see my posts on AmericaBlog.com.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:38 amMarduk, Odin, Isis, and at least 3/4 of the Mt. Olympus bunch fully support a minimum wage increase and nationalized health care. I don’t know here this Jehovah character gets off thinking his opinion is somehow in the majority or even important.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:39 amAnother question: Does coffee prove the existence of God? - kinda rhetorical :)
Comment by Technodaoist — October 14, 2006 @ 11:37 am
Coffee is God’s way of telling us he loves us and wants us to be happy. Or is that beer?
October 14th, 2006 at 11:41 amAnother question: Does coffee prove the existence of God? - kinda rhetorical :)
Comment by Technodaoist — October 14, 2006 @ 11:37 am
Funny… Though, I think poop proves there isn’t one.
I mean, come on… something capable of creating a universe wouldn’t be able to figure out a way to get the body to absorb all the nutrients it consumes? Poop is hardly intelligent…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:44 amJay, when I hold my CTRL key down and then “roll the scroll” on my mouse, the font size changes. Try it out.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:45 amJules, I hope it’s beer. Come on beer. beer. beer. beer. Damn I hate coffee.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:47 amI gotta say the ad is soooo bad that it’s good …. funny good, that is. I mean they’ve actually turned a serious topic into a complete joke. And while I’m not Christian I’m sure some religious nuts probably think it’s blasphemous too.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:49 amMy guess is that this sort of advertising is going to end up backfiring on the Stop42 crowd — at least, I hope so. This is so blatantly, pathetically cheesy and melodramatic that it’s almost laughable and I can’t see why anyone with a functioning brain cell would remotely consider taking it seriously. Do they even make an effort to offer up any hard data to support their position that this would be disastrous for the economy? No (one is inclined to wonder if indeed they have any)…all they’ve done is create a message implying, and none too subtly, that a minimum wage increase is somehow Against God’s Will and that this is all the argument that they should need to discourage people from voting for it. Puh-leeeeeeeeze…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:51 amYikes -
It is your beverage of choice - “SO SAYETH I”
God just told me that. Yeah, he speaks to me. I just relay the messages.
Like the other day when he told me that the members of the republican party would rot in hell. I was surprised cause I thought they already were!!!
October 14th, 2006 at 11:51 amI don’t see a smaller font size.
Just change the text size on your computer. TP doesn’t control that.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:52 amOh Jules Thanks. God just never returns my calls for some reason! Too bad there isn’t a good breakfast beer on the market. I’ll have to wait till later to feel loved and be happy.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:56 amYikes - it is 5:00 somewhere - or is the saying it is noon somewhere?
OK - do you have a problem with alcohol if you drink before noon or after 5?
Or do you only have a problem with alcohol if you are a republican convicted of accepting bribes or molesting little boys?
October 14th, 2006 at 12:01 pmI agree with 16: this has got to be a parody!
October 14th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThat is just sick!
Isn’t the Christian Taliban fun? Have you seen Jesus Camp yet? Do you begin to see just how little difference there is between them and the Islamist Taliban, with the exception that so far, women don’t have to cover their faces?
Unless we change direction, the oh-so-politically-unstable tripod of the Christian Taliban, the neocons, and the plutocracy will collapse in such a way as to send the world into a downturn from which it will take us decades to recover.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:06 pmUnbelievable, I did change the text size and tried to hit control and scroll, it doesn’t work…..Extra small text is controled by TP….Oh Well, no matter I was leaving any way because of the no post on all those miserable bill’s……Blessings
October 14th, 2006 at 12:08 pmGod said that?…..wow,well ok…but could you please PROVE IT. Religon is a belief, no facts involved.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:12 pmTry switching to Czech beer, it’s noon in the Czech Republic before most people on our east coast have stumbled out of bed.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:13 pmHi Sharon…
Sorry, the text on my screen is the same as usual, so I don’t know what is going on. Hopefully just a glitch.
Enjoy your weekend!
October 14th, 2006 at 12:19 pmUmmm… Wasn’t Moses the one that introduced the idea of Jubilee?
You know, every 49 years the land returns to it’s original owners…
Early wealth redistribution in effect.
Z.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:21 pmThe Neo-Inquisition.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmReally…a new low even for Republicans….this will backfire on them…..
Using the lord to push Republican legislation is just sick
I would love to hear Dobson and Robertson take on this one
October 14th, 2006 at 12:24 pmOh WaltTheMan, I’m starring directly at 12 empty bottles of Pilsner Urquell waiting to be returned for 10 cents each. And beside them are six full ones waiting patiently to be cooled to perfection. There’s alot of good beer out there but none better that Pilsner Urquell.
I find the noon or 5 o’clock rule a bit cumbersome. When I was younger, time wasn’t nearly the factor it is now. These days, If I started at noon I’d need to go to bed by 5! LOL
October 14th, 2006 at 12:25 pmZwack,
I thought it was Deuteronomy that says that people are supposed to forgive all debts every seven years…
October 14th, 2006 at 12:34 pmAnother question: Does coffee prove the existence of God? - kinda rhetorical :)
Comment by Technodaoist
Not coffee. I’m pretty sure it’s ice cream.
Interesting take on the free will, too. Something more to think about. Thanks.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:37 pmInteresting coincidence … I happened to hear Chris Rock’s routine about minimum wage on one of the XM satellite radio’s comedy channels a day or so ago.
He thinks back to when he had a minimum wage job and his boss walks by and says -
” Hey, how you doin’ ?”
“You know how the f#ck I’m doin’ - man ! … I’m doin’ BAD !!! … You are paying me minimum wage !!!”
I hope either he or Jon Stewart get a chance to see this piece of crap “Stop 42″ ad.
How do you condense a reality based piece on minimum wage - like Morgan Spurlock’s work about living just 30 days on minimum wage - into a 30 second ad spot?
October 14th, 2006 at 12:39 pmLet’s see them live off of $5.15 an hour, if any of them do live off of that.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:39 pmit’s not ncessary to reinvent the arguements against the overreachings of the radicalized religious right. one just has to go back to Thomas Paine’s ‘Age of Reason:
Age of Reason Introduction
by Thomas Paine
TO MY FELLOW-CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
I PUT the following work under your protection. It contains my opinions upon Religion. You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.
The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall.
Your affectionate friend and fellow-citizen,
THOMAS PAINE
Luxembourg, 8th Pluviose, Second Year of the French Republic, one and indivisible.
January 27, O. S. 1794
http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/reason/intro.htm
Age of Reason, Part First, Section 1
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/reason/reason1.htm
______________
it’s (well) past time to take back our government.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:49 pmThis is the clearest example of the addage…….
“God uses the good man, the Evil man uses God!”
October 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pmWell, if God has already decided this issue, there’s little we can do about it: we might as well stay home on election day.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:53 pmMoses staggers down off the Mountain, bowed double under the tablets and dumps them at the feet of his tribe,
Mopping his brow he announces…
” Here’s Gods ten laws chiseled on stone…… follow them…. and if anyone wants to go back up the mountain and haul down the other nine hundred and ninety… feel free!”
October 14th, 2006 at 12:55 pmI didn’t realise that in the Revised Conservative Bible (TM), there was an 11th commandment that read: “Thou shalt keep the downtrodden poor and hungry.”
I wonder if it says anything about keeping medications away from the godless sinners.
Ah, those good conservative values…
October 14th, 2006 at 1:02 pmKenneth,
From your link:
“When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so.; The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention.”
Agreed.
October 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pmThese people use religion in everything. It is a moral issue to help people economically also. Gay marriage and abortion and not the 1,2 pinch on morals but we al know the Grand Ol Pervs know nothing of morals.
October 14th, 2006 at 1:09 pmI wonder if it says anything about keeping medications away from the godless sinners.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 14, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
Considering it’s we godless folk who value and advance Science to the point of creating medicine, shouldn’t it be the ‘godful’ who stay away from our “godless inventions”? Sholdn’t they go sit in some Middle Eastern desert and wait for their god to give them these cures? I would suggest they start out in Iraq. : )
I was in the store early this morning, and some woman at the other end of teh aisle I was in, just asks me if I understand “what these numbers are” that had been tagged on some item she was regarding. I told her that I did not. Instead of using her brain to figure out that she should go ask someone who worked there, she actually said, outloud “I guess it just wasn’t meant for me to know what these numbers mean.” She stood there and stared at them, as if waiting for a god to bless her with this knowledge. A few minutes later, she just sighed and walked away. I was amused and repulsed both equally.
October 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmMy personal favorite is,”The path to hell is paved with good intentions”
October 14th, 2006 at 1:23 pmNow shouldn’t that read,”The path to heaven is paved with good intentions”? I had that said to me when I was telling them the reasons I was trying to help someone…f#cking a$$holes…
Trivial technicality….kinda like the christmas tree and the easter bunny….marketing takes priority…..
Signed: Sr. V.P. Omnipotent Mktg Division
October 14th, 2006 at 1:25 pmunbelievable,
I forgot to tell you that the Mormons finally came to my door a while back. I was prepared to ask them about their holy underpants, but get this — they were girls. The were so pure looking, and I confess, I couldn’t do it.
I have failed. Why did they have to be girls!?
October 14th, 2006 at 1:27 pmI have failed. Why did they have to be girls!?
Comment by Zooey — October 14, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
Two X chromosomes? : )
Give it time. You live in Idaho. I’m sure you’ll get some Mormon boys to show up.
October 14th, 2006 at 1:30 pmOver 650 of the nation’s leading economists today called on Congress to increase the minimum wage. The group recommended a $1 to $2.50 hourly increase and argued that “future boosts should be indexed to inflation to protect workers purchasing power from rising prices.â€
October 14th, 2006 at 1:39 pmI remember that… Ahhhh, what da they know?
Stupid commercial. Silly.
Btw, The Decalogue is only meant for the Isrealites anyway. And if fundies want to install the Ten Commandments in every public insitution (also ask them, which version - there are 3 of them at least), then I suggest that they follow all the Commandments to a T and work six days a week and not five. But if they really want to be god’s exceptional people, they should convert to Judiasm and then these laws can once again apply to them. Of course, they’ll have to give up Jesus, but at least they will be monotheists once again.
October 14th, 2006 at 1:50 pmMaf54: Under these “Commandments” am I allowed to keep doing what I’ve been doing?
October 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pmwhat a buch of whiney loosers! Blaming this on pedophile christian republicans. Sorry. I am a non christian republican and even I think this is stupid.
It has nothing to do with republican leadership, this is a bunch of whackos.
October 14th, 2006 at 2:05 pmUnbelievable,
Verse One of Deuteronomy “These are the words that Moses spoke to all of Israel in the Wilderness” So, if it’s in Deuteronomy it is (allegedly) the words of Moses.
Chapter 15 mentions forgiving debts every seven years,
The Jubilee is every seventh sabbath year and involves returning land. It is found in Leviticus Chapter 25. It’s even more forgiving than the sabbath year. And Leviticus also claims to be the words that God spoke to Moses.
Z.
October 14th, 2006 at 2:10 pmI’m sure you’ll get some Mormon boys to show up.
Comment by unbelievable
I had never even seen girl Mormon missionaries before, and I was just stunned. Zoo Jr, was rolling on the floor laughing by the time I closed the door, since I had told him of my plans, and then lost my nerve. Man, I’m glad that kid’s gone. (not)
October 14th, 2006 at 2:14 pmZooey ~
October 14th, 2006 at 2:15 pmWe have Jehova’s Witnesses come around periodically, and our standard response is:
This is a Buddhist household. If you would like to come in and discuss the Enlightenment of your Existence, please take your shoes off and be welcome.
If they stand there speechless for more than a second, the door closes and we go back to our lives.
Of course God is against raising the minimum wage. Read your bibles, people! Slavery is condoned.
October 14th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThat stupid!
October 14th, 2006 at 2:34 pmI’ve seen those commercials here in Denver on TV.
I just laughed. I can’t imagine that anyone will be convinced. I would have thought that some scary “Wolves” type ad would be more effective, like “raising the minimum wage will increase the costs of goods and services that you pay for!”
But then you never know what will prompt the mentally challenged to vote and how they will view things.
I’m glad to know that proposition 42 is going to pass. Whenever I see some ad like that I always want to know who’s behind it.
Well, I believe this one is being put out by the chamber of commerce, although in this version of the ad that doesn’t appear at the bottom.
October 14th, 2006 at 3:16 pmInteresting take on the free will, too. Something more to think about. Thanks.
Comment by Zooey — October 14, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
High praise. Thanks. I guess it really comes down to the fact that how you live and what you believe are decisions, not necessarily fact forced upon you. Without that we are simply biological automatons… and I’d rather think I’m using what little freewill we seem to have these days anyway.
“Even if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice…”
October 14th, 2006 at 3:37 pmUhh, did you guys see the one where the nice two-ply ass wipe turns into a flippin’ cheese shredder? it’s a little hard to hear the narrator, lemme tell ya.
October 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pmI got rid of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Mormons, by receiving them nude in the hot tub. They didn’t seem comfortable with that!
“There oughta be an eleventh commandment:
Thou shalt pay a living wage
Comment by RUCerious — October 14, 2006 @ 11:01 am”
There ought to be a twelfth:
October 14th, 2006 at 5:34 pmThou shalt lay a living page
[…] Source…. […]
October 14th, 2006 at 5:37 pm#94 My Grandfather used to nail Naked Ken and Barbie Dolls to the tree outside his front door to keep them away. Kind of like Bruce Lee hanging mirrors over his doorways to keep bad spirits away, Feng Shui style…
October 14th, 2006 at 6:12 pmren,
That is freaking hilarious…
October 14th, 2006 at 7:42 pmAt first I was taken back but now that he is gone I think it was so part of him.
October 14th, 2006 at 7:57 pmHe also used to put “Duct Tape” on his knuckles and any other joints that were giving him pain, he said that,”duct tape works better than any of that other crap” for healing arthritis and other pains…
I like your Grandfather’s methods.
It’s not easy to march to the beat of your own drummer - but the liberation from it is worth the derision from the lemmings.
You must have a lot of great stories about him.
October 14th, 2006 at 8:02 pmWe weren’t that tight…me and my grandfather. But every time we got to hang out or spend time together it was very interesting…He was sharp as a tack and always had a great spin on things, not unlike when I was watching comedy central last night and they had Richard Pryor on and Richard would slip into a character.. I forget who it was,,, but he was an authority on everything and had a funny view of the world… good man..
October 14th, 2006 at 8:09 pmLol funny as hell : )
October 14th, 2006 at 8:20 pmI must be missing something. As an atheist and a person strongly opposed to the current administration and Republican control of all branches of government, I was ready to be incensed by this ad.
But I’m sorry, I don’t see this as a religous nut ad. The TP headline is absurdly misleading. The ad is a poorly attempt at a comedic approach (as is the toilet paper ad on the same site), but all of you are overreaching terribly.
The content of the ad is the claim that an annual indexed minimum wage should not be etched into the state constitution. That’s a valid point of view and has nothing to do with religion. They used Moses and the tablets as a metaphor for “etching it in stone”, i.e., the constitution.
The counterargument would be that such a thing is better inscribed in state legistation, rather than the constitution. I tend to agree with that, as constitutional ammendments should not be done lightly.
So unless I’m missing something, I find this entire thread terribly disappointing. There are enough egregious missteps, corruptions, failures, and disasters of the Right without concocting something like this.
All this says is that the No On 42 team has hired a pretty lousy ad agency.
October 14th, 2006 at 8:25 pmThere ought to be a twelfth:
Thou shalt lay a living page
Comment by SKdeA
Well, I’m sure you know how good christians are about following their own amendments.
October 14th, 2006 at 9:11 pmI mean commandments. lol
October 14th, 2006 at 9:12 pmYeti,
Same difference, I’m thinking.
October 14th, 2006 at 9:15 pm[…] Please find story and video here. […]
October 14th, 2006 at 9:16 pmNice to know that God is up there worrying about recession, and trying to save us from our generous impulses.
Thanks, Big Guy . . .
October 14th, 2006 at 10:13 pm#107
October 14th, 2006 at 10:22 pm#1 what do you feel about American snacks becoming too salty in the 21st century???
#2 How do you know god is up there worrying about recession and trying to save us from our impulses…why should he care?..he is the big guy ya know..
Comment by Jay Randal — October 14, 2006 @ 11:23 am
My old lady eyes aren’t so fond of the smaller fonts either but you can change your font size on your browser.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:44 pmMy other Newest Bumper Sticker..
October 14th, 2006 at 11:08 pm“I’ll Never Forget, What?”
That’s funny. I saw the headline on another site which just mentioned an ad about Moses and the minimum wage. I though “that’s great” and imagined going Moses up the mountain and saying ” God, the people are suffering, they work so hard for such low wages…Please hear their cry…”
oops then I saw the wingnuts turned it upside down.
oh well.
I still think Moses would be on the people’s side.
October 14th, 2006 at 11:23 pmAhhhhh, It’s not uncommon for someone to not watch the video subjected in the headline right? HA hA Ha,,,I just laughed my ass off…
October 14th, 2006 at 11:45 pmTalk about funny,,, the worst acting job since…since.. since … man I don’t know, it’s been so long for such a bad job..but it was funny,,,,
[…] You can view a video of this ad here. […]
October 15th, 2006 at 12:08 amThose behind this ad show utter contempt for the poor and worse, for God.
October 15th, 2006 at 2:44 amAll propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the
October 15th, 2006 at 5:18 amperception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Has the video been scrrubbed? I don’t see anything when I go over there.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:01 amIf that ain’t talking the Lord’s name in vain then I don’t know what is!
October 15th, 2006 at 9:23 amIf there were a god (and I’m convinced there isn’t, but for argument’s sake, let’s say if)… if there were a god, why in the world would he care about the minimum wage rate in Colorado when he has already demonstrated that he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about poverty, abused children, murder, incest, rape, disease, etc.?
October 15th, 2006 at 9:44 amThank goodness they didn’t blaspheme the Flying Spagetti Monster! Those Silly Coloradoians can keep their Illegal Immigrants working for 3$ an hour if they wish, but please, leave those false Gods and false prophets like Moses out of the equation.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:45 am-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Comment by wonder6789 — October 15, 2006 @ 5:18 am
Last week, one of my students compared the Bush regime to Communism (we were looking at a Russian building when he said this). I said ‘That’s certainly one way to look at it. There are similarities. Personally, I see it paralleling Fascism in Nazi Germany’. He thought for a minute and then nodded, as if to say that that was also a valid consideration. No one challenged either of us. 2 months ago, there were some still defending Bush. They’ve stopped.
We live in a semi-rural surburb of Atlanta - Georgia. The tide is most certainly changing.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:50 amDon’t Panic!
42 is the answer to everything…
didn’t you ever read the Hitchikers Guide?
October 15th, 2006 at 10:23 amLike I’ve always said. If heaven is full of people like them then what’s the payoff? Just askin’
October 15th, 2006 at 11:03 amJeez red-state-liberal,
October 15th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI though Moses freed his people from slavery! Doesn’t that mean he’s FOR the minimum wage?
Dont let the repugs hijack religion. Although the devil himself is known to quote scripture when it suits his purposes, this commericial is yet another abominable misappropriation.
Early in the book of Exodus, Moses kills an Egyptian overseer who he observes mistreating a Hebrew slave.
Now that aspect of Moses resume wouldnt play too well with most Fortune 500 HR departments, but it was good enough for God to hire him for a 40 year gig being CEO of the Israelites.
October 15th, 2006 at 1:39 pmTo invoke the name of the lord is blasphemous and sinful, not to mention arrogant and hallucinatory. What gives these people the “divine right” to dictate to others in the name of God? What madness results when people actually listen to this garbage? They are so misguided that they have sunken into a immoral swamp of greed, bigotry, hatred and deserve no better than ostrcization by the masses. They have no credibility….They just have lies, lies and more lies………They are so full of themselves, an full of …. that these megalomaniacs are laughable….but still dangerous.
October 15th, 2006 at 2:20 pmON THE FAITHFUL TRUTH & MORAL BEAUTY OF THE AMISH
(from: PULPIT NONFICTION FOR A CHANGE)
Now what a haunting Reminder to America
that horse & buggy funeral procession;
the stricken grandfather in wounded humility
turning his cheek from the camera as if it
just struck
a glancing blow;
the Obeyed Demand of Forgiveness Finding its Way
out to the world’s shock and awe, to mean itself that much,
to Know that unshakably,
affirming their potable depth of Faith and defying
our polluted suspension of Belief
to flow that fresh, that clean,
that lofted through such tears,
a Somehow still-
-guttering
Birthday Candle of Christ in Humanity
~a Wish for His Mercy on Earth NOW
through gaping cracks of absolute innocent Grief…
heart-felt, crushed-open meltdown-light…
An Ageless Example
to the busy Fuss & Bustle of Modern “Faith”
there we have it, Folks–
From the Hopelessly-Quaint
“Horse & Buggy” Set!
Haha. Maybe in the End
The Joke’s
…on Us…
On Echochambered Megachurches
flocking to the Carnival Barker’s Ticket-Pitchcraft:
The Rapture Coaster!
[Must Vote REPUBLICAN to Ride Forever]
Full of a Lesson for the Lastbound “First”?
…what a bittersweet rebuke to evangelical rapturites
those garish Neo-Christian Rodeo Clowns,
those Moon-$hadowed Religitician$
of the Far Right: over-privileged, over-indulged
Sheep-Clothed wolves
howling on behalf of their
darkening Party, urging Thoughtless Legions
to Cast their Votes like Stones
Against the Poor:
Unquestioned
Moral Loss-Leaders (from Pro-”Life” to Pro-War-Pharisees)
pointy-elbowed partakers of upscale lifestyles, Needers of
luxury, overt consumers of ‘Creature Comforts’…
“First-Class Passengers” of Christian Faith:
that’s right–eager butlers for Powers That Be–
take an unflinching look
at these shepherds of Our National Soul–
you will not find a “Better Angel” among them.
Lift Rock & ROLL…
Oop$ee–
the multi-millionaire borne-again goonset
of Bushelzebubba Toadia
“endorsing” assasinations
& “blowin’ ‘em off the face of the
Earth
in the name of the LORD”
[aka, “The Prince of Peace”…]
shall we call it ’science’ or is it more an art
telling the smell of $ulphur
from a PResidential Fart?
2
Those Whose Names–
having so
(Heartlessly, Thoughtlessly)
Befriended & Served the Interests
of the Powers that Be,
will never appear on a ‘no-fly’ list here–
may yet
Gnash & Wail at Hell’s Coiled Twist:
O YES–
Famous names, Familiar names:
Whitehouseholed names,
Church-goey ‘Trusted’ names like
Dobson,
Falwell,
Robertson
Might well indeed appear on the
Flight-to-HEAVEN’S
No-Fly list.
And as God is “No Respecter of Persons”
will it matter–at all– that a “PRayerful”
PResident
PRomptly “returned” their “call”?
The line is long indeed of the Last featuring themselves “First”
in Love with Christ…
Hard-Rightwing Left-Behindees?
They will be Surprised, BIGtime. But we shouldn’t be.
Doesn’t Scripture foretell the Thoughtlessly-Willing
Deception of the “Very Elect”?
They “Followed” as they were “Told”.
Ignoring Bitter Truth for Sweet Lies–
What could be simpler:
than to “know them by their fruits”.
Who Said That?
Think he Meant it?
Who has heart-felt eyes to see
at least might glimpse
the $cales of the Beast
“Between the Lines”:
The Lies, and the Father of Lies, stroking,
coveting, stoking our deepest fears
how the Serpent then $hines!
how he Rises, then again “disappears”
~the Moments of Deception far more Telling
and telling far more–than
Moments of Truth
~Proclaiming himself “Decider”
“Serving” the Prince of Peace
…as President of WAR…
An “American” who would be “King”…
–What Whitehouse in “Greener $ervice” to the “Root of all Evil”
than HIS?
3
The bittersweet burden of forgiveness
borne by horse & buggy
their upbrought intentions manifest, in bereavement quivering
but in mercy unshaken–
“quaint” as those Geneva Conventions.
THESE Christians have Kept the Faith: uncontaminated,
manifestly unmistaken.
Of course not in Horse & Buggy per se:
but in, and by, Heart and Soul, Follow their Way.
They were never tempted to take the Broad Self-Righteous Road
of Political Redstatechristianity;
I urge you
Brother and Sister in Christ: long yet sudden in coming
it is now High Time Indeed to Turn
Forever
from the Hard Right’s Misguiding Wrong,
against their barbarous, fear-mongering Absolutes:
Look to Those Untempted by Power & Pride;
Who Never Let Their Faith Be Taken
“Hostage”
for the False Ransom of a False Ride…
…Know them by their Fruits–
Who So Quaint by Horse & Buggy
Stay the Truer Course, Unshaken:
Watch and Learn.
Watch and Learn Indeed.
~Rev. Hogtie Potus (Cowboy Noir)
October 15th, 2006 at 2:31 pmGather round children, time for another lesson ….
The US is just crossing the 300,000,000 population mark, which makes us less than 5% of the world’s population. Last time I checked, we possess approx. 50% of the world’s wealth. The inequity is a powerful motivator for the other 95% of the world to want to come to America. Raising the minimum wage, with no corresponding requirement of workers to raise their wealth creating contribution to an economy, just makes the attraction to come here greater.
Already, this situation is beyond any government or society to control / correct, because the mission of public education has been changed from development of individuals to generate wealth for themselves, their families and their communities, to mindless indoctrination into communist ideals of handing the futures over to a nanny-state government. The US reached high on self reliance, and will now crash back down as public education has gutted our ability to even sustain these heights, must less reach higher.
October 15th, 2006 at 3:35 pmComment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 15, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
Jason you are utterly callous, selfish and inhuman. You prove it more and more everytime you post.
Calling yourself a Christian is a lie. Christians believe in charity, that which you just posted in opposition of.
The solution to the problem is not to starve the people who are already here - but to REDUCE the population explosion by teaching people responsible and ethical behavior in regard to procreation.
The best way to do this is to give women equality. When woman who are treated as equals to men, countries flourish. When they are treated like second-class citizens, countries see population increases, higher poverty, higher crime rates and higher death rates. Check out any country in Africa, the Middle East and parts of Asia where the correlation between the treatment of women and the growth of the population is consistent.
The Bible says that you should be fruitful and multiply, doesn’t it. Either cling to that archaic book and shut up about population growth - OR start thinking for yourself, instead of ABOUT yourself…
October 15th, 2006 at 4:26 pmI love the line about ‘what happens if there is inflation or a recession?!? DISASTEROUS!!!’
Seriously. If there was inflation (and yes there IS inflation you morons), wouldn’t people need to make more money? It struck me a few seconds after hearing this stupid commercial. They are saying that people won’t need to make more money if everything costs more. Let me make their commercial more clear..
October 15th, 2006 at 8:56 pm‘what if we pay people more and then, at some point in the future.. stuff costs more.. What will they do if they have more money when stuff costs more..? DISASTEROUS!!!’
Jason+M+Hendler makes two factual points.
1) we are approaching 5% of the world population (not exactly but close enough) and..
2) we control 50% of the wealth.
He see’s this as a problem because he claims, without support, ” the mission of public education has been changed from development of individuals to generate wealth for themselves ”
Please, explain this to me Jason. 5% of the world population controls 50% of the world assets and out beggest problem is we aren’t teaching our children to control MORE of the world’s assets? Very christian of you.
Further, you claim the problem is that we control so much of World’s assets and that causes everyone else want to migrate to the US.. but you lament the fact that we aren’t sufficiently teaching our children to control MORE of the world’s assets?
Further, your claim that minimum wages force people to earn more without any contribution to society. This is completely moronic. If this was a valid argument, there would be no one in this country that is underpaid.
Let me lay this out slowly for you. If people are underpaid, than minimum wage simply fixes this. If a minimum wage is wrong and serves no purpose than no one must be underpaid (particularly on the low end of the pay scale).
You argue that pay should be tied direcly to contribution? You seem to imply that this is the case NOW since an increase in minimum wage would change this. Does Paris Hilton contribute more to society than a nurse, or a teacher, or a policeman, or a firefighter.. or a soldier? Does a Senator who accepts millions in Bribes (Cunningham (R)) and earns a salary of nearly $200,000 per year contribute more to society than someone who works two full time, low paying jobs to keep a roof over their kids heads? Not only does the later provide needed services at their jobs but they keep their family off the streets which in turn keeps our society more stable.
Nice try.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:11 pmDear Unbelievable,
I nearly always agree with your posts and your passion for the ideas that are dear to you. Sometimes it seems to me that God is not paying attention to our plight here on the blue orb. I cannot prove that HE/SHE does exist to myself, much less to a “Unbeliever” like you. Fifty years of study and investigation has however not kept me from having faith in something larger than me. After a priest questioned Joseph Campbell”s certainty of God’s existence, he said he could not verify it , but replied that’s what faith is about and it is a powerful force here on Earth. God, I suspect, does not lke what HE/SHE sees here and probably prays for us. Hope your students never stop the journey….Floor
October 15th, 2006 at 9:54 pmOh and by the way. These goons will say or do anything to push their agenda down our throats. Including dragging God into such a meaningless battle. Hurry-up November.
October 15th, 2006 at 10:00 pmHi circus,
Haven’t seen you around lately. Spam filters or life? : )
From my perspective, a complete lack of involvement or assistance or intelligence in the system leads me to conclude that there is none. Therefore, better to do something to solve the problem rather than pray to something that either does not exist or does not care. If there is a god, it is indifferent and frankly, not worthy of praise. I’m just sick of people using their religion to do damage and be corrupt. Or, to be lazy and allow the corruption to continue (a friend of mine frequently says “So-and-so will get his in the after life, so I don’t need to intervene” Drives me nuts).
I do know that there are Christians or spiritual people of other beliefs who use their faith in a positive way. Unfortunately you guys are the tiny minority, and the other end of the spectrum is doing horrific damage because “faith” allows them. I see that as a dangerous thing. And I cannot be silent, because I do not believe in after lives.
We all have brains - whether or not you believe they were give or you accept that they evolved. Either way, we should use them. Especially 3 weeks from Tuesday…
Enjoy what’s left of your weekend :)
October 15th, 2006 at 10:31 pmRepublican hijacking religion again. What else is new… Pretty pathetic.
Jesus would be really pissed.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:55 amUnbelievable, thanks for the response. The religious left is stronger than ever and the Spirit of Christ and the Grace of God is our gift, and we should share it, and not jam it down other’s throats. There are many non-believers who have earned the right to not believe and I respect that. The invitation to God’s Table was meant to be just that..an invitation, and not this gestapo garbage of “Strap em down and stick the IV in, and force it in” Maybe our national nightmare will soon be over. Keep the faith or, well, you know what I mean…Circus
October 16th, 2006 at 5:30 pm[…] It should be a joke, but it’s for real. Think Progress summarizes: Polls continue to show overwhelming bipartisan support for six state initiatives that would increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation, including 73 percent of voters in Montana, 73 percent in Ohio, and 77 percent in Nevada. Opponents of a wage hike are getting desperate. In Colorado, Stop 42, the group opposed to the initiative, is taking a “biblical†approach in their campaign against a minimum wage increase. A new ad depicts a “Moses” character speaking to the voice of God in the Rocky Mountains. “We need divine intervention,†Moses says. God responds: “We can’t let the people make this mistake. Go. Spread the word. Vote no on 42!†(The group has its work cut out for itself — 74 percent of Colorado voters supporting raising the minimum wage.) […]
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