Religious right takes aim at Condi.
By on Oct 16th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
Religious right takes aim at Condi.
Last week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice swore in the new global AIDS coordinator Mark Dybul, who is openly gay, and referred to his partner’s mother as his “mother in law.” The right wing is livid. John Aravosis has details.
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Maybe the religious right is ticked off enough to inquire into the rumors about an affair between Dr. Rice and President Bush?
What are the implications if their President is an adulterer?
October 16th, 2006 at 9:01 pmIt was great to see Connie with Laura. The secret lover and the wife nice touch. As for what Connie said ha they need votes so if reconizing a gay man’s partner it might help. I guess Laura is really finished with George and really into the rich Texan. To stand with the woman who is sleeping with your husband might make some wives upset. Nice to see they can all get along.
October 16th, 2006 at 9:05 pmI’d say Condi’s chances of being the GOP nominee for president are about over, now.
October 16th, 2006 at 9:13 pmYet another event that Condi could not have imagined.
October 16th, 2006 at 9:14 pmThe right consumes itself from within….
It’s all good.
October 16th, 2006 at 9:17 pmAnd the Bushco wheels keep coming off. When you deal with maniacs ( the Christo-Fascists ), eventually you will become a target for them.
Heck the Christo-Fascists even attack other christians, not only fake christians like Bush
October 16th, 2006 at 9:33 pmThese religious half-wits are just now getting with the program. Idiots.
October 16th, 2006 at 9:55 pmThe right consumes itself from within….
It’s all good.
Comment by Zooey
Like this will make a republican vote for a Dem.
October 16th, 2006 at 9:59 pmOnce again this administration has been the most diverse in history.
Diversity is supposed to be the mantra of the left…. they talk a good story but rarely ever follow through with it like this administration has. Swallow that FACT.
Diversity for Bush’s Administration means recycling the old goats from Nixon-Reagan-Bush 41 eras. Same clowns different circus. The GOP is a mess so it’s no surprise everything they touch turns to shit–or is indicted then turns to shit. When the GOP looks to Joe Lieberman for their November victory they are really gone, daddy, gone.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:07 pmSteve,
Who says we are trying to get Democratic votes here?
October 16th, 2006 at 10:09 pm#8: Once again this administration has been the most diverse in history. Crooks, pedophiles and liars. Yeah, they’re unmatched in history.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:10 pmBadmoonman you are mistaken the Pedophile was a Dem. He actually had sex with an underage page. Foley simply had sex with a 21 year old page making him just GAY.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:15 pmOnce again this administration has been the most diverse in history.
Three weeks to go. You guys are grasping at straws. I hope they’re paying you well to type such nonsense. But, it won’t make a difference.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:23 pmWho is this Christian Taliban everone is talking about and how many leaders have we “brought to justice”?
October 16th, 2006 at 10:25 pmWho says we are trying to get Democratic votes here?
Comment by ForTruth
In this entire site I have seen nothing but bashing for the Conservatives.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:29 pmThe Liberals when they fail, see your ire much as the Reps do when they act in a manner that goes agaist conservative principles. Have we forgotten how much you now dislike Joe Liberman and thought ABC was Evil for showing Path to 911. The people who respond to these things are not wacko they just feel let down by thier own party.
I haven’t seen anyone here promoting an alternative to our 2 party mess.
Fundies will never vote for people who are liberal, pro-choice, pro-law, pro-liberties, pro-freedom that is not the purpose. What they will do is not vote out of justified shame, humiliation, and bludgeoning them with FACTS.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:30 pmCondom forgot what I told her about needing protection. She, and the rest of bushco, will need all the protection they can get against AIDS (All Incumbent/Incoming Democratic Senators). Don’t forget to sign Here to join the next war on terror.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:32 pm…Pedophile was a Dem. He actually had sex with an underage page. Foley simply had sex with a 21 year old page making him just GAY.
Nope. There doesn’t have to be penetration, or even physical contact, to make him a pedophile. Just inclination. And that probably makes half of the Bush administration and the GOP in Congress gay, pedophiles, or both.
The Republicans are a very conflicted and deviant party. Thumping the bible with one hand and jerking off with the other.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:35 pm#15 Steve
It may be a two party mess but the mess is all on your side of the bed. The alternative is to wash the Rethuglicans out of the sheets and vote for responsible Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not as it is now: a Government of the people, by the crooks, for the Corporations.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:37 pmSwallow that FACT.
Comment by Steve
Missed my point completely, assmaster.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:39 pm#15
I haven’t seen anyone here promoting an alternative to our 2 party mess.
Cut it out. You’re a right-wing troll. You don’t care about “our 2 party mess.” You’d do anything to make it a one party mess.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:39 pmI haven’t seen anyone here promoting an alternative to our 2 party mess.
Comment by Steve
Go ahead, enlighten us.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:40 pmFamily Research Council:
“We have to face the fact that putting a homosexual in charge of AIDS policy is a bit like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.”
These people have lost their minds. If anyone can be effective in preventing/educating about AIDS, it is a gay man. It just makes sense. That’s like saying women should not be gynecologists.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:42 pmThey’re all at each other’s throats! Yippeee!!
October 16th, 2006 at 10:47 pmSteve,
Back for more..
Read this loudly.
I AM WE TODD DID
SOFA KING WE TODD DID.
Okay now for a different alternative..
NOT STAYING THE GOP COURSE OF CORRUPTION, LIES AND COVERUPS. GETTING OUT OF IRAQ, GETTING OUT OF PEOPLES BEDROOMS. GETTING OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION.
End of plan!
October 16th, 2006 at 10:51 pmas a republican, this religious right hatred of gays is weird and embarassing. But I believe that honest progs could say the same of some of their democratic commrades on other issues.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:51 pmExcuse me, but your ignorance is showing. Conservatives have not been bashed at this site. NeoCons have, but not Conservatives. There is a difference. Most here would agree with Conservative principles such as limited government intrusion into private lives (whereas NeoCons tried to intervene in the Shiavo case, as well as in the bedrooms of consenting adults, and between a doctor and female patient), and governmental fiscal responsibility (whereas NeoCons have increased the National Debt to astronomical proportions, mortgaging our great-grandchildren’s future for their short-term grasp at political power).
However, this all serves as a distraction from the thread, which is all about Neo-Cons eating one of their own:
Meanwhile, I continue to pray that those who know of the crimes of this Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence of wrongdoing.
October 16th, 2006 at 10:56 pm#26 hatred for gays is part of the Republican platform. which is clearly spelled out on the RNC website at http://www.gop.com
October 16th, 2006 at 11:07 pmSteve must be off watching The Daily Show.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:12 pmDiversity is supposed to be the mantra of the left….
Comment by Steve
You are confused, I guess. First, Dems are not the left. They are moderates. There is no left in US. Real left can be found in Germany, Italy, France and some other really developed countries.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:15 pmNow, diversity is not a mantra, its a charectiristic of something called integration and, who would have thought?, democracy. At least thats what the greeks thought (except for the slaves, they werent humans.)
The left mantra is closed to a people´s government. Just what Lincoln said.
Gaaaa! I’m missing the daily show!!!!!
October 16th, 2006 at 11:16 pmBriseadh+na+Faire. I was with you until the mistress comment. Come on, Condi and George? I mean, it’s possible, but do you really think that?
October 16th, 2006 at 11:19 pmpaul,
Condi has referred to GWB as her “husband” at least once in public. That’s an odd slip, don’t you think?
October 16th, 2006 at 11:21 pmSteve must be off watching The Daily Show.
Comment by Zooey
Or having a biscuit.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:22 pm(He! Its so easy. Sorry, Steve)
Or having a biscuit.
Comment by Juan+C
Oh my god, you have to keep reminding me of that? Ugh! Sick! ;)
October 16th, 2006 at 11:25 pmUgh! Sick! ;)
Comment by Zooey
In fact, it was Mr. Evil. He is evil, Zoo. :)
October 16th, 2006 at 11:30 pmEnough with the silly joke. mmmm…
#30. Juan C. I can see moderate republicans and moderate democrats. I can also see republicans that are extreme/fundamentalists/ultra conservatives (and I’m sure you have other names for them). But, if you can’t see the extreme or ultra liberals in this country, you’re blind to it and I think it makes it tougher for democrats to regain power if true moderates can’t regain control of the party.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:33 pmJuan,
I think Mr Evil is your evil twin. :)
October 16th, 2006 at 11:34 pmpaul,
The pendulum has swung to the right in a severe fashion. We can’t expect that the pendulum won’t swing back, about as severely to the left. It may take a while to settle out.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:36 pmBut, if you can’t see the extreme or ultra liberals in this country,
Comment by paul
Paul…who are these extreme or ultra liberals? Please, give me an example so I can understand you.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:39 pmI think Mr Evil is your evil twin. :)
Comment by Zooey
Am I that creative? I wish. My alter ego here would be…someone named Zoo. :)
October 16th, 2006 at 11:43 pmZooey, a GWB/Condi hookup would make for a great love story, but i’m just not buying it.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:44 pmpaul,
Are you serious?
October 16th, 2006 at 11:46 pmMy alter ego here would be…someone named Zoo. :)
Comment by Juan+C
You’re gonna make me throw up. :P
October 16th, 2006 at 11:48 pmYou’re gonna make me throw up. :P
Comment by Zooey
Funny. Its not the first time somebody has told me that. :)
October 16th, 2006 at 11:51 pmJuan C. Off the top of my head I would say extremists on the left would include: groups that include anarchy to accomplish their will. Like the environmentalist the spray paint hummers, the animal rights people that bust up the labs, etc. Abortion, i believe is a moderate democratic issue, but partial birth abortion would be extreme. Affirmative Action would be a moderate issue, but reparations for African Americans would. be more extreme. This could be a very long post, is it making any sense so far?
October 16th, 2006 at 11:54 pmColbert Report: Hastert cannibal/killing Foley; hilarilous.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:59 pmThis story has no legs. Maybe a gap between front teeth….but no legs.
October 16th, 2006 at 11:59 pmThis could be a very long post, is it making any sense so far?
Comment by paul
More or less. People against animal suffering is not the left. I think thats a non-political issue, its just people concerned about the treatment to animals.
Anyway, you have to remember that the left is certainly a response against the right policies in society. There wouldnt extremists like Bakunin if he hadnt seen what savage capitalism can do, or Marx (who is not an extremist, he was a burguess) wouldnt have written what he did if he hadnt seen how workers were dying in the factories. Revolutions are not made because a guy felt like it that day. True, real, revolutions are made by the people who are tired of bs from governments. Sadly, the left is filled with corrupted leaders just like conservatives, so, I have to say that the only ones making sense in this world are anarchists.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:08 amBush is not having an affair with Condi Rice > Dubya prefers muscled studs like Jeff Gannon > Condi likes other females, so now do you understand WHY Laura and Condi hang out together > and WHY Bush hangs out with Tony Snow > lol.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:13 amSo Paul in their day you would have decried such leftists like Jefferson, Franklin, and Madison, who fought against the corrupt established authority?
You would have decried the fact they were willing to use violent actions like the Boston Tea Party to achieve their political goals. and their undermining the established system to create a better one that does not benifit a very “chosen few”.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:22 amJuan C. I agree with the animal rights argument. I guess it is difficult to definitively state where the extreme line would be drawn, but when you talk about economics, there is a spectrum. Communism on one end and laize-faire capitalism on the other. You could argue that communism is absolutely fair, but offers no practial incentives for productivity and that capitalism provides the incentives for productivity, but distributes the resources inequitably. I guess alot depends on what you personally believe is right and where you believe we are on the spectrum.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:24 amI guess alot depends on what you personally believe is right and where you believe we are on the spectrum.
Comment by paul
I just have one question for you: Which of those both systems is self-sustainable?
October 17th, 2006 at 12:29 am#8 Steve: Hey Steve, swallow a turd. Why can’t you face the facts that this administration has been the most inept, wrong on everything, corrupt beyond all comprehension and just plain liars. Let’s pile on, also, a level of arrogance and stupidity never before reached, not to mention consistently maintained, by any previous administrationl.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:33 amWhich of those both systems is self-sustainable?
Comment by Juan+C
Pardon the grammar.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:35 amclif. you can add ‘tarring and feathering’ to your list. i am not arguing the founding fathers were the moderates of their day. (i also would not argue that they were leftists; they did support less intrusive government, right to bear arms, an Adam Smith ‘invisible hand’ economic model, etc). I was making the argument that moderate democrats would have a better chance of making effective change than liberals from the more extreme left.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:36 amYeah, Steve, go have another Tony loves George spunk biscuit. (Sorry Zooey, just couldn’t resist)
October 17th, 2006 at 12:40 aman Adam Smith ‘invisible hand’ economic model, etc
Comment by paul
Paul, you are confusing liberal ideology, which is pretty much the idea of anyone deciding his/her own life, and economic liberal idea, which, as you correctly said, something derived from Adam Smith´s thesis. Nowadays, these economic liberals are known as neo-liberals or technocrats. There is nothing more apart from left ideas than neoliberalism.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:41 amPaul IN THEIR DAY they were LEFTISTS. FAR left to the world of 1775. Nobody of that day thought common people were smart enough to govern themselves.
and as history advances the “conservatives” have had to give up ideas of slavery after a civil war, jim crow, after almost another, real lasie fair economics after the meltdown of 1929.
Todays conservatives are just like yesterdays, fighting to preserve wealth and priviledges for a “chosen few” once again.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:41 am#56 it’s Ok for some extreme left to balance with some extreme right.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:41 amJuan C. I don’t know. But I believe that most people think communism, in theory, is a wonderful idea. In practice, it seems to have had a poor track record in prosperity for the most people (i.e. Soviet Union and China before the economic reform). I also believe that most people think that capitalism is a good way to promote general prosperity, but can be taken too far (i.e. Captains of Industry era, Industrial revolution prior to unionization). I agree with Zooey’s characterization that the pendulum has swung right. I also believe I am one of the few that has faith in our 2 party system. I think that moderates of both parties will either be motivated to vote or stay home based on whether they think things have gone too far one way or another.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:46 am#58. Juan C. I will agree with you that the definition of liberal has changed considerably since 1776.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:51 amI will agree with you that the definition of liberal has changed considerably since 1776.
Comment by paul —
And the definition of conservative has changed radically since 1996.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:00 amOh, barfly, you’re not going to tlak about Reagan again, are you? ;)
October 17th, 2006 at 1:05 amSince I am in a bad mood tonight, and sick of the GOP hypocrites, I am going to OUT 3 Republican Senators who cheat on their wives with Gay men:
Sen. John Thune > 100% Gay, but has a cover wife who knows. He replaced Sen. Daschle remember in 2004.
Sen. Norm Coleman > call him Bisexual, but he only cheats on his wife with other men.
Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana > most deeply closeted of three.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:28 amSorry guys these 12 hour days are kicking my ass. Yes I work for a living. Sadly work comes before blogs… I know my priorities are screwed up. And really it does bother me that I am not here more, to help educate all of those who blindly believe something without asking themselves why or researching on thier own to find the truth. With any luck I will be back soon to entertain\annoy\educate you. Some of you people are not too bad even though our thoughts may differ. Cya
October 17th, 2006 at 1:32 amOh my god! Steve likes us! He really, really, likes us!
Heh.
Goodnight all ya’ll weirdos. :)
October 17th, 2006 at 1:39 am#66 Come on Steve, you’re the worst CRAZY Christian I’ve ever known. Your LOGIC is suck. Look back our argument in http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/12/iraq-baker/#comments
October 17th, 2006 at 1:49 amWHERE ARE THESE BUSH CONDI RUMORS COMING FROM? ANYONE GOT ANY SOURCES? OF WHATEVER TYPE?
October 17th, 2006 at 2:16 amThanks, TP. Took me like an hour to write the post you deleted.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:17 amOh, its back. I have to eat my words. Thanks.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:32 amYou know you are doing the right thing for human progress when religious reactionaries oppose you. How can I say that so confidently? Because religious reactionaries have been on the wrong side of history every time – whether it be heliocentricism, evolution, abolition, desegregation, suffrage, etc.
There will come a time when the decendants of Jerry Falwell will be live in a country where people of the same gender, who love each other, will be able to form a union recognized by civil law. And the world will not have come to and end. And the USA will not have become a cesspool of perversion.
A little more freedom to express love will be a welcome contrast to the hate of the warmongering, hypocritical religious reactionaries.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:50 amWhat gets me; Neocon standards:
1: Neoconservatives seem to think diversity is a reasonable substitute for competence. Just look at Steve’s defence up there.
Liberals actually don’t care about diversity. We care about people being competent. Hiring people to fill a race quota is not liberalism, it is racism.
2: Neconservatives have all three houses of goverment, plus the majority of the supreme court, plus mass ownership of America’s media.
Yet there is still a liberal conspiracy out to make them look bad, you know, by using magical mind control rays to make the righties make bad decisions.
3: Neoconservatives claim to be, well conservative, and yet there is not a single thing I can thing of which they actually want to conserve. Think about it, all neocons ever talk about is preserving America’s way of life, but on every specific example of that way of life they are anti it. The are anti-freedom of religion, anti-privacy, anti-media, anti-peace, anti-social services, just what the hell do the neocons want to preserve?
4: Neoconservatives like to go on about Marxists, leftists, and all of that being a hate filled group of evil doers out to destroy America…
Yet: Tree-hugger, Islamo-fascist, leftard, moonbat, faggot, feminazi etc… This isn’t the language of the tolerance, this is the shit I have seen rightwingers post here. Hell the Leftwing talks about Political correctness (Which mostly amounts to not calling people names) as just being good manners, the right treats it like it is some sort of disease.
5: When a liberal is unhappy with the Democrats; what does a liberal do? He or she votes for someone else, like maybe the Greens or Libertarians and will even argue against other liberals who say he or she shouldn’t. When a Conservative is unhappy with the Republicans, you vote for the Republicans anyway, and yet the Liberals are supposed to be the ones without any moral backbone?
6: Calling widows witches and accusing them of wanting to see their husbands’ die on 9/11, is acceptable. Bringing up how the government failed in Katrina is not.
7: Freedom of speech does not include the freedom to point out that what somebody is saying does not make any frigging sense. Freedom to agree with the rightwing is all there is.
8: It is better to have a strong moron in charge, then a weak man who actually has some idea of what the heck he is doing. It is better to keep on going the wrong way and go off a cliff, then have a driver who is willing to turn around and get directions.
9: Michael Crichton knows more about any given subject then people who have spent their entire adult lives studying that subject.
10: Whether information is biased or not is more important then whether it is true.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:54 am69 – I submitted a post with over a half-dozen links, but links get filtered out most of the time nowadays. Just google, “laura bush” “marriage” and you’ll find plenty.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:58 amnow my post shows up! go figure…
October 17th, 2006 at 8:59 amBruce – “just what the hell do the neocons want to preserve?”
In a word: POWER.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:01 amBruce. a couple of points. democrats and republicans are different and want different things. Republicans have a platform, just like democrats. I would agree that republicans have a tolerance problem with many issues, but so do democrats. If you think progressives have a lock on tolerance, you should spend a little more time reading the posts here. I know I have been called a troll, nazi, gnat, CRAZY CHRISTIAN, been accused of sleeping with my red state sister and others. Do get me wrong, I think it is hilarious. But, it is also funny that you harbor the belief that your progressive friends are tolerant of opposing views.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:19 amThey better get used o Condi. She’s going to be thier Veep candidate in 08. Could the fact that she’s black be anothe rknock against her on the iright? Assassination would be thie answer if she got elected ona GOP ticket.
Besides the poor numbers of W, GOPers are stumbling across the country http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com . Let’s get a clean sweep.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:22 amTP. Instead of deleting my post, could you be doing your homework about Habeas Corpus?
October 17th, 2006 at 9:32 amI starting a list of TP posters that would be willing to vote for an African-American Woman for president:
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3.
4.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:32 amComment by Bruce Gorton
Good post.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:33 amPaul,
October 17th, 2006 at 9:35 amAdd me to the list. But if your talking about Condi……don’t. I don’t agree with her views, her political stances, her mentality, her personality, her shoes and her way of diplomacy.
paul
First off, I know, I was probably one of them at some point. I am not saying Liberals are perfect, I am saying it is a bit rich to get the hater label from a bunch of people who say the word liberal like its a swear word.
Anyway, there is nothing conservative or liberal about the size of the goverments involvement in your life.
A reasonably extreme liberal view can include legalising drugs and prostitution, reducing the size of the military, making marriage legal for whoever wants to do it, keeping abortion legal and opening up adoption to gay couples. In other words it actually can mean LESS goverment involvement in your day to day life.
A reasonably extreme conservative view can include enforced religion, banning pre-marital sex, enlarging the military, making marriage legal only if the couple is straight, and of the same race, banning all birth control, and keeping gays from coming within 500 feet of any child, ever. In other words it actually can mean MORE goverment involvement in your day to day life.
The real difference in both is a matter of what each views as important:
Conservatives believe mainly in defensive spending. You spend more on the cops, the military, and suchlike in order to protect what you have.
Liberals believe mainly in investment spending. You spend more on schools, social security, and suchlike in order to improve what you have.
Now what is a neoconservative?
A neoconservative is NOT a former Democrat who moved over to the Republican Party around the same time as the Dixiecrats did. This is an error with the neocons want to keep everyone believing. A Democrat who has honestly changed idealogies to conservativism is a conservative, not a neocon.
A neocon is a person who is trying to pass themselves off as a true conservative, but actually if you scratch the surface, has nothing in common with conservatism OR liberalism.
A Neocon is someone who believes that their country should rule the world, when they talk about America being the world leader they are not talking about being the front runner in technology, humanitarian effort or GDP they are talking about having the power to pick the rest of the world’s presidents and political systems.
Neocons don’t really care about the economy, they see power and economy as being expressed via the barrel of a gun. Their approach to world politics is much the same as that of a mugger approaches pedestrians, if you have the bigger gun use it and there isn’t a terrible amount the rest of the world can do about it.
While both conservatives and liberals, agree on the need for America to pay its debts one day (Indeed the prime disagreement so far as that is concerned is whether to raise taxes or cut services,) Neocons feel America can just point its nukes towards its creditors and say “Make me.”
Neocons want a big army, but not for the sake of keeping Americans safe. In order to make conservatives comfortable with this, they preach against bogeymen like terrorism and gays, but they aren’t really interested in defence, rather conquest. A conservative will argue against torture because it is unreliable and downright disgusting, a liberal will argue against it because it is a dangerous precedent and downright disgusting, to a neocon it is an expression of power. If America can get away with torture, one of the big three top evils (Murder and Rape being the other two) it can get away with anything.
Now here is the major crux of what is wrong with the neocon idealogy, going back Babylon, back to the first empires of man, the most fragile have always been the ones ruled with the power of the fist. Empires which have ruled by treaty have fallen, but slowly and over centuries, empires which have ruled by force, have all fallen the second, the absolute second, that force has faltered.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:07 amOh yeah, and when I am saying I was probably one of them, that is what I am refering to.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:10 amBruce Gorton. I don’t know if you had said any of those things, but I don’t really care. It is one of the things I like about this site. It is very free. I also agree with much that you say in #83. (I am still digesting the neocon arguments).
October 17th, 2006 at 12:18 pmAh… the prejudice religious right come out once more. Can these morons please go away?
October 17th, 2006 at 12:37 pmBruce:
You’ve written a couple of excellent, well thought out posts. Thank you.
Paul: There are certainly extremists on the left as well as on the right. You specifically mention anarchists, extremist environmentalists, extremist animal rights groups, partial birth abortion, and reparation to African Americans as examples.
However, how much relative influence do these groups have over the Democratic Party and its platforms, per se, versus how much influence do various rightist groups have over the Republican Party and its platforms?
Anarchy is a complete non-starter. If Democrats had power again, there might be a few more laws enacted vis-a-vis animal rights, but anyone breaking into and trashing labs would still get arrested, tried, and jailed. Reparations, again a non-starter.
Environmental issues: destruction of private property in defense of the environment isn’t the way to go, but what Democrat has ever advocated giving such people a free pass? OTOH, I hope you would agree that far more concern must be paid to environmental issues, and that the Bush administration has not only not done anything positive, but has done its best to dismantle environmental protection laws. We all live on Spaceship Earth and we foul our own nest at our peril.
Partial-birth abortion is a loaded term. The medical term is dilation and extraction. I believe that very few people favor this for frivolous reasons. It’s usually done because of problems with the mother’s health such that she would most likely die if she carries to full term. Extremely severe pre-eclampsia (also known as toxemia); women who had rheumatic fever when children, who hoped to have babies but whose hearts prove unequal to the stress of labor; etc. I also believe, although I can’t prove this, that the decision to carry out dilation and extraction is a wrenching decision for the mother, the father, and the health care providers.
Bottom line: Democrats have historically not been particularly beholden to their extremists. I don’t think you can say the same for the current Republicans.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmWolfdaughter, you make excellent points. We can disagree as to the extent the extremes of both parties wield power of their respective parties. I do believe the moderates sway the elections. It was obviously a tight race in 2000 and relatively tight race in 2004. If republicans have gone too far, it is the moderate turnout that will turn policy around.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:36 pmBush and Condi are indeed doing it. Take a look at any photo of them together. He’s not bad at hiding his lust for her, but Condi can’t cover her love for Bush — a woman’s love for her man — the women posting here know what I’m talking about. It will all come out in the wash when this shameful moment in U.S. history is over. A lot of heads will be rolling. Of all the crimes Bush has committed against this country and its people, the worst crime of all will be that he has turned our country, OUR COUNTRY, into a joke. We can only pray there is a person strong enough to take the office of U.S. president and turn things around.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#19 Heh, Steve has to sleep on the wet spot.
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