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Bush: Iraq War Critics ‘Propagandize,’ Engage In ‘Illogical Behavior’»

Yesterday Fox News host Bill O’Reilly asked President Bush whether the “anti-Bush press” is responsible for the American public turning against the war in Iraq. Bush agreed with O’Reilly, stating that he’s “disappointed that people would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior.” Watch it:

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Sixty-four percent of the American public now disapproves of Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq. These people are not “illogical” or victims of a propaganda campaign, but are responding to the facts.

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Full transcript below:

O’REILLY: Is one of the reasons they’ve turned against the war in Iraq is that the anti-Bush press pounds day in and day out in newspapers, on the network news, in books like Bob Woodward’s, that you don’t know what you’re doing there. You have no have a strategy. You don’t listen to dissent. You’ve got this thing in your mind and you’re stubborn and you just can’t win it.

BUSH: Well, I’m disappointed that people would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior. We have got a plan — first of all a stated goal.




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223 Responses to “Bush: Iraq War Critics ‘Propagandize,’ Engage In ‘Illogical Behavior’”

  1. Roger Says:

    Why doesn’t O’Reilly just perform the interview with knee pads? It’s clear he’s going to need them.


  2. Hardy+Haberman Says:

    This interview is just another puff piece by the GOP and should be ignored as “propaganda”. The very idea that Bill O’Rielly would do an “in-depth” interview is rediculous. He is a puppet just like Bush.


  3. tom+baker Says:

    I flipped past this on TV - thought is was a rerun of “Dumb and Dumber”, so I kept flipping - doesn’t look like I missed missed much.


  4. nym@alias.net Says:

    See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” - George W Bush


  5. Geoff Says:

    huh??? Can we have him removed from office on the basis of being of an unsound mind?


  6. dlet Says:

    I wonder if the MSM will be talking about how his socks stayed up.


  7. RealScientist Says:

    Bush accuses others of propaganda? Sorry to sound like a broken record, but there it is again: a Republican projecting. Projection is absolutely essential to the psychological makeup of Republicans.


  8. Jay Randal Says:

    LOL everything Bush does is “illogical behavior” > his brain got fried on cocaine and booze many years age! He must be impeached!


  9. Jack Says:

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    Reason #147….

    + a giant list of Political comics featuring Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, and even Bill Clinton.

    http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com/comic_feature_links.htm

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    http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com


  10. Badmoodman Says:

    Bill O. does a real loofah job on W.


  11. Republicans are the fear and smear party Says:

    Sure, Bush, everyone is irrational but you. We need to get Bush into a mental institution so he can get some help in reconnecting with reality.


  12. Sharon Cox Says:

    I see how this is going, nothing on the dreadful bill for week’s, no response on the small text and lot’s of link’s on two miserable examples of the human kind…..Like disecting frog’s we are all going to be bombarded by every miserable word these reich winged nut bag’s have to say……..How about some good new’s.? Is there any.?……..Like many, I am stunned. No matter what I do it is not good enough and to date these liers and thieves are still given all the attention they don’t deserve…..With my headache from this site’s small print I leave you all to ponder….What the hell are we going to do if voteing is not enough.?……Blessings, sometimes they don’t even work…


  13. s Says:

    God people……..when are people going to get really angry? This is not about dumb, dumber or anything so benign. Bush is closing in for the kill. Now that he’s got his habeus corpus vaccine, he can being to frame more clearly how we are the propagandists…not him. He and RoveCo are going to try to now harden and crystalize the division of the American people…demonize anyone who is against them….and then of course..now..they have the “legal” means to just “disappear” us. If they can get enough of the right wing Americans to agree that many of their fellow citizens are “illogical” “With the terrorists” etc. just because we criticize the chimporer, it will be so much easier for them to fill those detention camps here at home….with US. We had better wake up and FAST


  14. Really Says:

    “You don’t know what you’re doing there” is more than an accusation; it’s a fact verified by the president and the generals he likes: They can’t and won’t keep track of their victims.

    Here’s his latest display of care and concern:

    Q — the 30,000, Mr. President? Do you stand by your figure, 30,000?

    THE PRESIDENT: You know, I stand by the figure. A lot of innocent people have lost their life — 600,000, or whatever they guessed at, is just — it’s not credible. Thank you.

    So little of reality is credible these days.


  15. Heterodoxy Says:

    In the delusional world of the Preznit FACTS are “illogical”. To act on those FACTS and take alternative corrective measures are “illogical behaviors”

    WTF???!!!!!!

    Can we get a urine specimen please? SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

    Anti Bush Press??? You mean the 10 mutltimedia conglomerates who are billionaires and Republican donors?

    WTF?????!!!!!!!!

    More proof male cheerleaders make shitty Commanders in Chief.

    Keep talking Chimpy you keep burying yourself along with any shred of credebility.

    It is official the Emporer is naked.


  16. Blue+in+a+red+state Says:

    Is the resemblance between Alfred E Neuman and Dumbya just a coincidence? “What me worry?”


  17. Jim Says:

    I hope this kind of incisive questioning on O’Reilly’s part earns him another Peabody.

    Oops, sorry. He never won a Peabody. But he sure is proud of that Peabody he never won.


  18. Your Conscience Says:

    Well accepted defenition of Insanity;

    REPEATING THE SAME BEHAVIOR AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.

    Staying the corps is in fact illogical behavior.


  19. Jay Randal Says:

    Sharon Cox > not much we can do if the November election gets rigged for the GOP by Diebold > I do not want to be sent to the Halliburton built detention camp in Utah > GOP Mormon guards would most likely be sadistic, like Nazi guards were at Dachau!

    Eventually all corrupt dictatorships collapse, or are destroyed when they attack too many nations, like Hitler’s regime when he attacked Russia > after Bush attacks Iran, and China gets involved, the end for the Bush regime will come > I hope we survive the dire times ahead!


  20. wisedup Says:

    Did anyone get a shot of bill-o kissing his boots?…amazing he won’t meet with Cindy Sheehan tho….”Mr.Olbermann is waiting for you mr.prez”…
    ”FOX SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!…..



  21. pbg Says:

    Tell us the plan, George.
    A stated goal is not a plan.
    You can’t tell us the plan because you haven’t got a plan.
    You don’t have a plan for Iraq.
    You don’t have a plan for North Korea.
    You don’t have a plan for the economy.
    You don’t have a plan for homeland security.
    You don’t have a plan for New Orleans.

    You’re an intellectually lazy, pampered child of privilege who has never had a plan for anything in his disastrous life.
    You’re the sort of person America should be ashamed it ever produced.


  22. Dumb_Fox Says:

    Marine’s letter home…

    http://www.time.com/ time/ world/ printout/ 0,8816,1543658,00.html

    Including this bullseye:

    Biggest Outrage — Practically anything said by talking heads on TV about the war in Iraq, not that I get to watch much TV. Their thoughts are consistently both grossly simplistic and politically slanted. Biggest Offender: Bill O’Reilly.


  23. wisedup Says:

    Caption: “Could you fix it so I could become a page,your Higness?”


  24. dlet Says:

    God how I would love to see Bill O’Reilly(Mr. Propaganda) put into a catapault and fired off.


  25. Pete_Bogs Says:

    the perfect interview - two of the nation’s biggest BSers having a chat… I’m sure a lot of objective, useful info came out of this one…


  26. Kelso Says:

    Hearing these two talk about propagandizing and illogical behavior is ironic.

    Who better to interview Bush than one of the most illogical Bush-butt-kissers to ever grace the airwaves of TV and radio.


  27. Anastasia Says:

    Post # 13 by s is right. It’s not just about Bush being dumb or crazy, he’s a budding dictator who is capable of any number of things, including putting US citizens in camps, or starting an unprovoked war with Iran.

    Right now the USS Eisenhower is steaming towards the Persian Gulf, “accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month.”

    As the British historian, Michael Carmichal puts it, we’re slip sliding into “World War W.” The internment camps, most likely will come next.

    http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/101106CARMICHAEL.shtml


  28. SpudgeBoy Says:

    Illogical behaviour is ignoring the commanders on the ground and staying the course in Iraq.


  29. JesusChrist_GodOfWAR Says:

    When will the Bush Cabal and ReichWingNuts ever learn that facts, truth, and reality are very important for how policies are formed and action is taken???


  30. Miro Says:

    the perfect interview - two of the nation’s biggest BSers having a chat… I’m sure a lot of objective, useful info came out of this one…

    Comment by Pete_Bogs — October 17, 2006 @ 12:09 pm

    It is the perfect interview. Don’t they just remind you of Tammy and Jim before the fall…?


  31. wisedup Says:

    ‘We have a tie!…two..”WORSE PERSONS IN THE WORLDDDDDDD”


  32. PAL Says:

    Did anyone else notice that Bush didn’t deny any of those accusations? Also, B.O. could barely keep a straight face while reading the litany of criticism against Dubya. How does anyone take this puff piece seriously?


  33. barfly Says:

    Tough questions?

    I’ve seen Mr. Green-jeans ask tougher questions of Captain Kangaroo.


  34. DSouth Says:

    This is sad. You know what’s more sad is that they are going to keep control of both houses. With the way the Grand Ol Pervs under Tom Delay rigged all the districts so they can keep their thugs in office. They may lose some seats but they are really protected. The representation is simply not there in the districts.. I have litttle faith in the system of voting. I’m sure in close races you’ll see “voting irregularities”.The way these people are trying to turn this country into a theocracy we should all be worried and take notice. They are controlling the courts and slowly the media. They don’t give a damn about the poor even with the so calld faith based initiatives they wil not follow up on. We are in trouble because our country doesn’t listen to facts. I say we are in the Jerry Springer age. You know a candidate is better the party with more money makes more commercials that are lies and people jump on the bandwagon because that person won the battle of the name calling.Just like cheer for Jerry Springer host. The facts just go out the window and the rethugs as we know are good at getting around facts and leading their fklock blindly into a blaze of glory. Yes I hope we win one house at least but the way they have gerrymandered the districts they have all but secured control of this country for years to come and we will all pay for it whether we voted for them our not.


  35. Idiotic Says:

    Bush and his serfs are definitions of illogical and irrational behavior …


  36. Mr. Evil Says:

    President Bush saying that most Americans (who are obviously smarter than he is) are “illogical” is another in a long and ever increasing list of Bushlexias that we have to endure from this boob. That’s like wondering if a certain Pit Bull dog is bad just because he has attacked 23 humans in the past week.

    If something isn’t the truth it simply isn’t the truth. George Bush (and Bill O’Reilly for that matter) believe they can spin whatever they want people to believe as the truth and then present as truth. That’s illogical. Lies are not the truth except for the fact that they are lies.


  37. VP Cheney Says:

    Ignoring facts has lead Bush to be the worst president in America’s history and he is in absolute denial of his own incompetence. A typical village idiot.


  38. Goebbels Says:

    The press is really the only thing that stands in Bush’s way to acquring absolute power and becoming just like Putin in Russia. Unfortunately, there are members of the press like Bill who will gladly help him to it in order to curry favor.


  39. Bluedog49 Says:

    O’Reilly in 2003: “Look, if it turns out that there are no WMD’s, I won’t support the administration anymore.”

    In 2006: “You can’t be confrontational with the president.”

    Why do O’Reilly fans have so little self-respect that they allow this man to lie in their faces over and over and love him for it?


  40. Bassturd Says:

    You people are friggin nuts!!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!

    Get a life…
    Bassturd out!!!!!!!


  41. Bassturd Says:

    You people are friggin nuts!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!!

    Get a clue.
    Bassturd out!!!!


  42. Jay Randal Says:

    Your screen-name fits you well > Bassturd > lol.


  43. chimpeach Says:

    #41 Bassturd

    You people are friggin nuts!!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!

    Get a life…
    Bassturd out!!!!!!!

    Then why are you reading and posting here?

    You must be friggin’ nuts.


  44. Bassturd Says:

    Actually I fought for my right, and yours, to post whatever and wherever I so choose to…so deal with it! I just enjoy throwing rocks in the cave and watching the moonbats flutter about!

    Bassturd out!!!!!


  45. SpudgeBoy Says:

    You people are friggin nuts!!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!

    Get a life…
    Bassturd out!!!!!!!

    Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:09 pm

    Since you decided to come and argue with us, that makes you a retard. Yea! Way to go Special Ed.


  46. Grand+Moff+Texan Says:

    Bush doesn’t know anything outside his bubble. He’s irrelevant.

    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…

    Speaking of irrelevant … This medium is transforming politics, so it’s no wonder that bushtards have to pretend it’s a joke. They’re losing their ass and they’re not man enough to face that simple fact.
    .


  47. SpudgeBoy Says:

    Actually I fought for my right, and yours, to post whatever and wherever I so choose to…so deal with it!

    And so did I and a lot of the others here. So, what is your point. Retard.



  48. USAF_vet Says:

    #22 Tell us the plan, George.

    Here it is:

    THE REPUBLICAN PLAN FOR IRAQ

    PLAN A:
    Win ‘06 elections and stay in power.
    Continue installing puppet gov’t in Iraq and skimming oil profits while cronies making billions in gov’t contracts.
    Continue removing rights at home so all dissenters can be “confined”.

    PLAN B:
    Repub’s lose House or Senate.

    Continue installing puppet gov’t in Iraq and skimming oil profits while cronies making billions in gov’t contracts.
    Continue removing rights at home so all dissenters can be “confined”.
    Any non-progress is blamed on those liberal partisan democrats not cooperating.
    Any action to remove troops from Iraq will be blamed on Democrats as interfering with _The_Plan_ and thus absolving Repub’s from *ANY* responsibility in the failed war/police action/occupation/freedom fight. This WILL BE thrown back in the face of any democrat from here on. DEMOCRATS CUT AND RUN SO WE LOST THE WAR will be the cry forever heard from the Repub’s.

    This will work well for them in the next elections.


  49. Bassturd Says:

    Name calling???? Now that’s a true left tactic!! When all else fails start calling people names…I can do it too poopie face!

    geez…your intelligence is showing sploogeboy!

    Bassturd out!!!


  50. JaneESchneider Says:

    AssTurd, you keep saying you’re out, so GET THE F*CK OUT!


  51. ForTruth Says:

    Bassturd out!!!

    Comment by Bassturd

    Hopefully.


  52. Jeffrey Stewart Says:

    In psychological terms, the president is projecting.


  53. JUan+C Says:

    HABEAS CORPUS JUST DIED TODAY. Just saying.


  54. ForTruth Says:

    Thank you Jane,

    Thats what I meant to say.


  55. hellinabucket Says:

    #40. You hit the nail on the head. B.O. will say whatever, whenever and won’t be held accountable. Off to Fox.com to write an email to B.O. to see if I can get on the Factor’s email segment with that question.


  56. Bush+the+idiot Says:

    You people are friggin nuts!!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!
    Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:09 pm

    Name calling???? Now that’s a true left tactic!! When all else fails start calling people names…I can do it too poopie face!

    geez…your intelligence is showing sploogeboy!

    Bassturd out!!!

    Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:40 pm

    BASSTURD - typical right wing fanatical idiot. You started the name calling then put the republican spin on it and turned it around saying name calling is a leftist tactic! What a f***king idiotic hypocritical fool you are! Yet typical of a fascist Right winger. You say you fought for your rights to criticize yet turn around and criticize those for criticizing. GET A BRAIN FOOL!


  57. JaneESchneider Says:

    ForTruth: Any time!:-D


  58. Bassturd Says:

    Hmmmmm…cursing and name calling……..Ya’ll are too friggin easy!…


  59. Grand+Moff+Texan Says:

    Ya’ll are too friggin easy!

    Idiot can’t even spell “y’all” correctly.

    And just what do you mean “easy” when you’ve argued nothing? You’re not even in the fight. What’s the matter? Waiting for your talking points? Lord knows you’ve never had an opinion of your own.

    Keep making noise, slave. It’s all you’re good for.
    .


  60. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Bassturd,

    Jane is one of the gatekeepers here everyday spewing the leftist filth as truth. Doesn’t suprise me she want you the F out. She can’t handle the truth and resorts to trying to kick ya out when agitated.

    It wouldn’t suprise me if she was a professor from Boulder, Colorado or maybe Columbia University, and was trying to indoctrinate our youth with her garbage. She seems educated unough, just delusional and misguided. Prop too many drugs in her youth?

    Anyway, keep up the fight. By the way, is your moniker a fishing reference or maybe guitar related? Just wondering.


  61. pete Says:

    is there any way that bush can remain in power beyond his next 2 years. perhaps a military emergency, a nuclear crisis, i would not be suprised if bush somehow manages to usurp the laws of the land and name himself “dictator for life”.


  62. JaneESchneider Says:

    You know, TroothFairy, I don’t actually spew. In fact, except for a few responses to trash here and there, I’m not one of the ones to post a long, informational comment (what you would refer to as “spewing leftist filth.” Usually my comments are brief, and occasionally attempt to be humorous. I am definitely not a gatekeeper, as there are many days when I don’t even get a chance to read the threads, let alone comment. I just happen to have gotten in a few here and there in the last few days.

    So I think that you’re exaggerating my position here, but, thanks for the recognition. And you’re totally wrong about my background, BTW.

    As for my response to AssTurd? What did he (?) or you expect, posting antagonistic crap like that?


  63. Bassturd Says:

    Trooth Fairy,
    I agree that these people seem to have some kind of chip on their shoulders…If it were up to them we’d have a government full of people who talk alot yet do nothing except try to cover up their own underhanded dealings. And my name refers to what I am generally called on a daily basis by these whackjobs! I just choose not to curse and spew hatred like they do…….

    Oh by the way….Jane doesn’t scare me!!! She can curse me and say whatever she wants. It’s her right to do so.

    Bassturd out!!!


  64. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Bassturd, this news just in.

    A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on US 95 south, just outside of
    Washington

    Nothing is moving north or south.

    Suddenly a man knocks on his window.

    The driver rolls down his window and asks, “What happened?”

    “What’s the hold up?”

    “Terrorists have kidnapped Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Jesse
    Jackson, Al Sharpton and John Kerry.
    They are asking for a $10 million ransom. Otherwise, they are going
    to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire.”

    “We are going from car to car, taking up a collection.”

    The driver asks, “On average how much is everyone giving?”

    “About two gallons.”



  65. JaneESchneider Says:

    Damn! I forgot to close my parentheses! “(what you would refer to as “spewing leftist filth.”

    AssTurd/BassTurd/SchmassTurd: I’m not trying to scare you, that’s a pretty stupid thing to say. I’m just trying to get you to leave. You are not posting anything of substance, so why linger?

    And, in response to your latest crap, we already have “…a government full of people who talk alot yet do nothing except try to cover up their own underhanded dealings.” You put them there! I seriously cannot believe that you can look at this administration and NOT see failure after failure after failure, and lies upon lies upon lies.


  66. big+papa Says:

    DAMN! I missed it!

    …but then…

    …I never was one for watching…

    …gay porn…


  67. bs Says:

    where is my post tp? you let foul mouthed nonsense on here but you won’t allow the truth to be told.


  68. RUCerious Says:

    Just thought I’d point out the pointlessness of feeding the fishdroppings…


  69. RUCerious Says:

    I must agree that:
    I am disappointed that the president would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior.”


  70. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Hey Bassturd,

    There once was Senator from Mass,
    Who went on a search for a lass,
    He lucked out and found it,
    Then f-ed up and drowned it,
    and that was the end of his ass!

    And this is one of lefty’s heroes!!!!


  71. The+TroothFairy Says:

    RUC is clever, I like that. Nice use of fishdroppings !!!


  72. Bassturd Says:

    Jane,
    I do not agree with everything the current administration has done nor do I think everything they do is correct. You on the other hand will never disagree with your beloved left wingers even if they were child molesters and rapists…Which several are and one actually received a standing ovation in congress from your party for doing so! I didn’t see any outrage from you about that so don’t call me a hypocrite without first taking a long hard look in the mirror!

    And the name calling is really showing your maturity!! PFFT!

    Bassturd out!!!


  73. JaneESchneider Says:

    RUCerious, sorry, but I had to.


  74. nym@alias.net Says:

    God how I would love to see Bill O’Reilly(Mr. Propaganda) put into a catapault and fired off.

    seeing the guys less than lame ratings, in combination with the GOP about to lose the election - we might get to see that catapaulting soon enough.


  75. RealScientist Says:

    looks like the angry right wing wacko trolls have showed up

    shouldn’t they be in a strategy meeting somewhere?

    it will interesting to see the progression of their psychotic meltdown as Nov. 7 approaches


  76. NoMoreRepublicanTrash Says:

    And Bush and O’Reilly and Fox News would know all about propaganda, wouldn’t they. As far as the Republican Trash posting here today goes, they’re all the types who would have proudly served Adolph Hitler. Hard to believe such sheep still exist today, yet they do. They are ruled by bigotry and hate. Hence, Bush is a kindred spirit to them, and in the most extreme cases, to them Bush is a god. Bush and his followers will suffer the same fate at Hitler and his. It’s happening right now. No doubt, Bush, Cheney, et al. will be fleeing to South America (as Hitler’s men did) in order to avoid the certainty of the death penalty they’ll face here in the United States when they are tried for their war crimes and crimes against humanity.


  77. cognitorex Says:

    Plans of Democratic Party Dominate Iraq Strategy

    When the GOP blows its false trumpet that the Dems have no plans for Iraq I suggest they first bite down on the following sentence.

    “Redeployment” is now the leading strategy for Iraq with a bipartisan world-wide cast coming on board.

    Jack Murtha, a Democrat, at some personal political risk announced that “our presence in Iraq has become the cause, not the cure, for much of the violence.” This has now been openly confirmed by bipartisan leaders, including most forcefully by Britain’s Army Chief of Staff.

    Murtha’s wisdom is now a major policy plank for an Iraq solution.

    Murtha, a Democrat, was the first to call for implementation of a plan to “redeploy.” This, a Democratic plan, is becoming the majority opinion strategy for Iraq.

    When the GOP and Joe Lieberman attempt to paint Democrats as weak on terror and having no plans for Iraq solutions it only serves as a continuing illustration of their bankrupt and inept foreign policy.

    “Stay the Course” has put our Troops in harm’s way. “Stay the Course” has hamstrung our now openly angry and frustrated Military leadership. “Stay the Course” has now been openly exposed for what it is, a disingenuous mantra employed by the GOP for political gain.

    Democrats have changed the debate and the strategy for Iraq.


  78. Bassturd Says:

    God how I would love to see Bill O’Reilly(Mr. Propaganda) put into a catapault and fired off.

    hmmm…wishing physical harm to another human being. I guess that’s just another leftist trait…If you don’t agree…They wish to kill you!!

    Bassturd out!!!


  79. The+TroothFairy Says:

    nym,

    Your assesment of the ratings of Mr. Oreilly are so wrong its pathetic. He has the most watched cable news show in production according to Neilson ratings. However your beloved Air America network shows the true state of a not only a show, but an entire network in crisis. America doesnt care for the far left views Air America put on the air.


  80. The+TroothFairy Says:

    In the word of a true patriot, (figure it out yourself)

    ADIOS MOONBATS!!!!



  81. JaneESchneider Says:

    Hmmm, did I say the word “hypocrite”? No, I don’t think so.

    You think that you know just so freaking much about me, and you don’t know jack sh!t. The only reason that I responded to you in the first place was because your first posts were purely antagonistic.

    “You people are friggin nuts!!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!

    Get a life…
    Bassturd out!!!!!!!

    Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:09 pm

    You people are friggin nuts!
    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!!

    Get a clue.

    Bassturd out!!!!

    Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:11 pm

    If you expected a reasonable argument from anyone, you blew it right there. Sorry, but opening comments like that disqualify you from reasoned debate. So don’t suddenly start acting as though you had been civilly debating a point and I went off on you, you’re a troll who simply wanted to stir things up. So, once again (but I’ll leave out the profanity since it so offends you) GET OUT!


  82. nym@alias.net Says:

    maybe, although america care’s about republican pedophilia on the internet.


  83. RUCerious Says:

    Vaya con diablo - spoofairy


  84. RUCerious Says:

    Jane - I know, sometimes I just have to up and smack these jackanapes down.


  85. Bassturd Says:

    GET OUT!

    Make me!!!!!


  86. bs Says:

    o’ and adding to post 90

    if we pay the salaries of the politicians with our hard, earned money than why can’t we count them as dependents? let’s talk about it


  87. bs Says:

    and let’s talk about the nazi ideology of this admin. and stripping away our freedoms, privacy for one.


  88. The+TroothFairy Says:

    RUC tries to be clever, but is only parroting the lefts Champion, Chavez, with devil reference. Keep trying.

    And by the way, you couldn’t slap mustard on a ham sandwich, much less a jakanape down!


  89. bs Says:

    what happened to my post. it was up and then deleted why. did i scare someone with the truth.


  90. RUCerious Says:

    Hey spoofairy, I thought you said you were leaving?
    by the by, I didn’t refer to Chavez, I just said, Go with the Devil. That would be fishdroppings.
    BTW. The ham on rye with mustard and dill pickle was a delicious luncheon repast.


  91. bs Says:

    sorry for posting twice tpers. at first they didn’t want to post it so i tried again.


  92. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Hey BS,

    More off your tax money is paying for all the illegals that sneak across our southern border and end up in our education system, hospitals and jails. You should want them as you dependents too.

    And by the way, the Iranian President was actually “conected” to the Nazi’s, so when you talk about truth, know what the h@$$ you are talking about! The true enemy is waiting at your doorstep, waiting for you to fall asleep. Bush is saving your sorry life!


  93. RUCerious Says:

    Oh, and spoofairy,
    Did you mean: jackanape
    It would help to spell your insults correctly. Otherwise we might think, as many do, that you are an ignoramus.


  94. The+TroothFairy Says:

    I didn’t say you refered to him (another leftist twist on my statement), I said you were “parroting him. LOL.


  95. Unholy+Moses Says:

    If it were up to them we’d have a government full of people who talk alot yet do nothing except try to cover up their own underhanded dealings.

    Gee, that’s funny … that’s EXACTLY the government we have now, and it’s all ran by Republicans.

    If you projected any more, you’d be a PowerPoint presentation.


  96. RUCerious Says:

    Oh, parroting, that’s very different. When exactly did Mr. Chavez say Go with the Devil? Citation, please. Ignoramus.


  97. nym@alias.net Says:

    The true enemy is waiting at your doorstep, waiting for you to fall asleep.

    yes, yes, america knows that. now tell us, why else are republicans losing the elections?


  98. The+TroothFairy Says:

    I am forever amazed at the lefts ability to insert words or thought where they were not. Hmmmmm


  99. Bassturd Says:

    Now we get grammer lessons……geeez… Exactly what I would expect from you RUC. Insults and spelling corrections… Is that all you’ve got???


  100. big+papa Says:

    TroothFairy

    …and your parents are related how?

    …at least illegals are REAL human beings, and Chavez and Ahmadinejad…

    …have some basis in reality…

    …but you…

    …are FAAARRR out…


  101. Unholy+Moses Says:

    I am forever amazed at the lefts ability to insert words or thought where they were not. Hmmmmm

    What color is the sky in the world you live in?

    Seriously … not a single thing you’ve posted on this thread has:

    a.) any bearing on the topic.
    b.) any basis in reality.

    Combine those with the fact that you do the exact same thing you accuse others of doing, and it all adds up to someone who is either clinically insane or certifiably retarded.

    So which is it?


  102. RUCerious Says:

    spoofairy
    Chavez actually said
    “The devil came here yesterday,” Chavez said, referring to Mr. Bush’s address on Tuesday and making the sign of the cross. “He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world.”

    Do you disagree with his assessment of Bush, that he talks as if he were the owner of the world?

    I said, and I quote, “Vaya con diablo - spoofairy”

    Please connect the dots and enlighten us all as to how what I said is “parroting” Chavez.

    Squawk, spoofairy is an ignoramus, spoofairy is an ignoramus, now that’s parroting.


  103. bs Says:

    #96

    More off your tax money is paying for all the illegals that sneak across our southern border and end up in our education system, hospitals and jails. You should want them as you dependents too.

    i do and everyone should

    And by the way, the Iranian President was actually “conected” to the Nazi’s

    and the bush family(since prescott) to along with wolfy, rummy.

    The true enemy is waiting at your doorstep, waiting for you to fall asleep

    which is the irs, bush criminal regime, congressman

    Bush is saving your sorry life!

    so grown of lyou but very typical to lash out personally when you can not back up anything. typical nazi way. you are the one that fell for the weapons of mass fear. when you sypathize with a known nazi who has participated in bohemian grove, skull and bones there isn’t much room for you to speak truth. and i’ll say this when bushwhack brings back habeus corpus, constitution. stays out of my personal business, and stops martial law, imminent domain, overspending(pork) and secures the borders and the nuke sites then maybe. until then he ain’t savin shit but his own ass and that is getting hard.


  104. Bassturd Says:

    yes, yes, america knows that. now tell us, why else are republicans losing the elections?

    Woo-Hoo!! Line up the interns and lube up the cigars.. The Democrats are coming!!!!!!!

    Bassturd out!


  105. Loonie Says:

    Why must these war critics propagandificationalize??


  106. The+TroothFairy Says:

    RUC, Chavez refered to Bush as the devil, you stated go with the devil. Correlation complete. Because I side with the Republicans and you do not, that makes me “with the devil”, in Chavez and your remarks. Parroting has many forms, your just a little more subtle and clever than most lefty’s when juxtaposing.

    Regrards,
    Ignoramus.


  107. RUCerious Says:

    Grammer lessons!
    Looks like you need spelling lessons furst.
    It never ceases to amaze me, how these morons come on here displaying their lack of education.
    the post, by the way happens to be about
    ‘Bush: Iraq War Critics ‘Propagandize,’ Engage In ‘Illogical Behavior’
    Let’s see.
    I think it is totally hypocritical of Bush to criticize the war critics by characterizing their dissent as propaganda. It is totally logical to point out the futility of the last three years of occupation.
    Please argue with those points, if you can muster a dictionary to get you through the arduous task ahead of you.


  108. nym@alias.net Says:

    i am forever amazed at the right’s ability to lie and hide their corruption and child molestations.

    oh yeah, line up the pages and break out the lube - the republicans want one last fling before america kicks the bums out!!!!!!!!


  109. bs Says:

    why did you delete my post again tp. you can’t handle the truth either. but you will allow the childish antics in here with the foul mouths. why don’t ya put it back


  110. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Unholy Moses,

    I leave my diagnosis to the experts. They tell me I’m doing better.


  111. Yikes Says:

    Bassturd sounds alot like that moonbat hunter troll that was here recently claiming to want to have decent debate only to come across as something like South Park’s Christmass Poo.


  112. Unholy+Moses Says:

    Woo-Hoo!! Line up the pages and lube up the Internet tubes .. The Republicans are staying!!!!!!!

    Wow … not adding anything to the discussion sure is easy. No wonder the trolls do it (and it’s why I give folks like Exley a pass most — but not all — of the time).

    The facts are this: Bush has used nothing but propoganda to sell his war. Just look at the catchphrases he uses over and over and over again.

    The problem is that a clear majority of the American people aren’t buying it anymore. Not because they are illogical, but because the facts simply don’t support Bush’s rhetoric.

    And if any troll can prove me wrong on that, try it. I dare you …


  113. JaneESchneider Says:

    Bush is saving your sorry life!

    Comment by The+TroothFairy — October 17, 2006 @ 3:24 pm

    If he were doing so by, say, throwing himself on top of a hand grenade, then I might be impressed. Sorry, your dear leader is doing NOTHING to make us safer, and is doing EVERYTHING to put us in danger.

    #103:
    Now we get grammer lessons……geeez… Exactly what I would expect from you RUC. Insults and spelling corrections… Is that all you’ve got???

    Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 3:33 pm

    It’s more than what you’ve got. “Grammar” lessons.


  114. Unholy+Moses Says:

    I leave my diagnosis to the experts. They tell me I’m doing better.
    –The Trooth Fairy, Post #114

    They’re lying.


  115. RUCerious Says:

    spoofairy, OK, I’m busted, good job.
    Now, didn’t you say you were leaving?
    Go with Bush.


  116. Bassturd Says:

    I am more than capable of being articulate and clever when the company I am speaking to justifies it…You do not rate that type of response from me…. You can debate your points till you actually believe them. Dissention in our government and the people like yourself are tearing this country apart… I for one hate no man and because I choose to have different beliefs than those of your own, you choose to call names and slander……..Typical left responses..

    Bassturd out!


  117. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Unholy Moses,

    My doctor is a Democrat, so lying must come natural!


  118. nym@alias.net Says:

    I leave my diagnosis to the experts. They tell me I’m doing better.
    –The Trooth Fairy, Post #114

    They’re lying.

    Comment by Unholy+Moses — October 17, 2006 @ 3:48 pm

    naturally. all republicans lie.


  119. bs Says:

    tp, you are owned by the msm. it must have been a nazi telling you to ‘dont put it up we will get exposed but do to be fair but only for about 10 secs than take it off.’ i call BS. and the only reason you took it off because it is the truth. are lyou all scuuuurrrrrrred.


  120. Unholy+Moses Says:

    Dissention in our government and the people like yourself are tearing this country apart…

    So blindly following our government, no matter what they do, is better … ? Seriously?

    For some reason, I doubt that you held that belief from 1992 - 2000.

    My doctor is a Democrat, so lying must come natural!

    You really should change your name to Panasonic P1SDU. It’d be more fitting.


  121. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    That’s interesting… Bush never uses propaganda. He’s mister truthman, right? (sarc)


  122. JaneESchneider Says:

    Bassturd, for the last time: you did NOT bring any debate to the table in the first place, so our responses to you had nothing to do with you “choosing to hold different beliefs”. You NEVER articulated any beliefs except that “You people are friggin nuts!!” To “parrot” you, typical rightwingnut comment! So, you do not have a leg to stand on in any further comments, and do not deserve any consideration now that you’re pretending to actually debate.

    NO MORE HIJACKING!


  123. bs Says:

    how miraculous it’s up again.


  124. RUCerious Says:

    fishdroppings
    ‘I for one hate no man and because I choose to have different beliefs than those of your own, you choose to call names and slander’

    Even if you win, you’re still a retard!
    I just enjoy throwing rocks in the cave and watching the moonbats flutter about!
    I can do it too poopie face!
    Line up the interns and lube up the cigars.. The Democrats are coming!!!!!!!
    (inference of sexual misconduct)

    Wow.
    I’m sorry if I ever slandered you. Your blindness to your own mental condition is worthy of pity, not slander.


  125. Yikes Says:

    ” Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!”

    Typical right wing bigotry. Are you afraid of the people that compete in the special olympics? This is the first post from bassturd. Now he comes up with this:

    “I am more than capable of being articulate and clever when the company I am speaking to justifies it…You do not rate that type of response from me.”

    Excuse me!?!? What the hell kind of person are you? You believe that regular posters here expect you to be articulate and clever after dissing people who compete in the special olympics? You need help.


  126. chimpeach Says:

    #45

    Actually I fought for my right, and yours, to post whatever and wherever I so choose to…so deal with it! I just enjoy throwing rocks in the cave and watching the moonbats flutter about!

    Who’d you fight? If you’re trying to tell us you were in the service, please name the branch, unit, years served and where served.

    Suddenly there’s a rash of right-wing trolls saying they served and I’m not buyin’ it.


  127. Bassturd Says:

    USMC 88-92
    Bravo 1/7 “task force ripper” in the Gulf War

    0341 - 60 mm Mortar squad leader

    Any other questions?????

    Bassturd out!!!


  128. chimpeach Says:

    Bassturd and Trooth Fairy

    Your president is a lying moron and your party is full of crooks, pedophiles, and closeted self-hating gays. What do you have to be proud of? Good lord what a couple of losers you guys are!


  129. JaneESchneider Says:

    Chimpeach, the Trooth Fairy sounds an awful lot like yesterday’s troll du jour, Moonbat Hater, who lied about it being his “first time” on this site, then admitted towards the end that he was just here to stir up trouble.
    You’re right, those two trolls are a couple of losers.


  130. chimpeach Says:

    #131

    USMC 88-92
    Bravo 1/7 “task force ripper” in the Gulf War

    0341 - 60 mm Mortar squad leader

    Not that it proves anything, but it’s not beneath the righties to lie about something like that. Where specifically “in the Gulf War”?

    And what is your problem anyway? You think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Rumsfeld is a military genius? Did you learn nothing in your alleged time in the service?

    Bassturd out!!!

    What a clever signature, fitting of someone who considers himself a turd.


  131. chimpeach Says:

    You never can tell about them, Jane. It just seems like there’s an inordinate number of new trolls suddenly flocking to ThinkProgress. It seems a little more like a campaign than just a bunch of bloggers suddenly discovering this site.

    The desperation is becoming evident, too. No matter how big a smiley face Bush and Rove try to paint on their election chances, the rank and file are starting to sense defeat.


  132. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Your president is a lying moron and your party is full of crooks, pedophiles, and closeted self-hating gays. What do you have to be proud of? Good lord what a couple of losers you guys are!

    Yor part isn’t at all different than you describe. Your part is full of income falsifying, bribe taking, infidelty, aldulterers, statutory rapists and those who hate all that have differing opinion. What do you have to be proud of? And to top it off, I’m suprised you would choose to use the term “good Lord” as isn’t your party that wants nothing to do with religion?

    Talk about a loser chimp-speach.


  133. RUCerious Says:

    fishdroppings -
    I salute your service, especially the mine clearing operation your unit performed.
    I wonder if you are suffering from Gulf War syndrome and don’t know it.


  134. Bassturd Says:

    Listen monkeyfruit,

    If you’re so clever look it up on the internet..I do not have to explain myself to you or anyone else….As far as me worshipping Bush and Rumsfeld, your sadly mistaken..I just think they are a better alternative than Kerry or Hillary or any other leftist.

    Bassturd out!


  135. yangho Says:

    I’m suprised you would choose to use the term “good Lord” as isn’t your party that wants nothing to do with religion?

    Why? Religion should separate from politic, right?


  136. Bassturd Says:

    RUC,

    Because my opinions differ from yours, I am sick?…I do not go around wishing ill will to any democrats or anyone else for that matter as so many here do to the right. Now who sounds sick?


  137. Jason+Baddo Says:

    Bill & George…great comedy act…ala Abbott & Costello, Laurel & Hardy or Dumb & Dumber


  138. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Jane,

    Just looked through yesterday’s posts and found the blogger that you are comparing me to. It appears I have the same political affiliation as MoonbatHunter but sorry, not the same person. It also stated that you accused the same MoonbatHunter of being someone who previously posted as MoonbatPatrol. I sense a pattern here. You like to accuse those with differing opinions of being the same person. That is also where I saw MG post “adios moonbats”. Am I him too? Geez.

    I never said I have not been to this site. I can tell you however that I have not posted here before today. I’ve silently viewed from the fence until today. It would be convenient for you if I was all these same people as then it would be easy for you to dismiss my posts. But alas, it appears we are many.


  139. Unholy+Moses Says:

    Your part is full of income falsifying, bribe taking, infidelty, aldulterers, statutory rapists and those who hate all that have differing opinion.

    Panasonic P1SDU strikes again!!


  140. Yikes Says:

    “Because my opinions differ from yours, I am sick?…I do not go around wishing ill will to any democrats or anyone else for that matter as so many here do to the right. Now who sounds sick?”

    I know your friggin nuts. When are your tryouts for the special olympics Mr. Bigot?


  141. RUCerious Says:

    No fishdroppings, it just seemed to me that your inability to articulate a position on anything indicated a possible diminished mental capacity that is a could be an indication of GWS.
    Your first post, #41 mentioned that “Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!!”
    But that is exactly what you are doing, so…
    I’m glad you feel like playing “I just enjoy throwing rocks ” with us here.
    It keeps you off the streets where you might get hurt.


  142. Unholy+Moses Says:

    Because my opinions differ from yours, I am sick?

    Yes. Just like when our opinions differ from yours we’re “nuts.”

    There is, however, on problem (at least for me). All you’ve done is state your opinion. No fact. Why is that?

    Please show us any facts that display:

    1. The Bush and Co. have not propogated propaganda.
    2. That their policies are actually working.
    3. That their decisions have been logical.

    I ask because, quite frankly, I know you can’t do it. Well, not without lying in order to do so.


  143. The+TroothFairy Says:

    As far as what you do here, this is not a debating site. It is a place for leftwing wackos to post their mindless accusations and implausible theories of what they think the right is about to other leftwing wackos who share the same view.

    You claim you would offer debate on issues if approached differently, but in all the times I have been here reading up on what the left thinks, I have never seen you offer intelligent debate to an opposing view. It ALWAYS turns to something just a bit more absurd and the attacks never seem to be far from the debate.

    I choose not to debate you here, not because I can not hold my own with the facts to support my opinions, but because it is pointless to debate those incapable of sustaining the debate past a few points before becoming angry and violent with the rhetoric.


  144. JaneESchneider Says:

    Yor part isn’t at all different than you describe. Your part is full of income falsifying, bribe taking, infidelty, aldulterers, statutory rapists and those who hate all that have differing opinion. What do you have to be proud of? And to top it off, I’m suprised you would choose to use the term “good Lord” as isn’t your party that wants nothing to do with religion?

    Talk about a loser chimp-speach.

    Comment by The+TroothFairy — October 17, 2006 @ 4:30 pm

    What a pile of trash. Can I take it that “part” means “party”? Wait, who’s the party of lobbyists, land deals, pedophilia, etc., etc., etc. How many Republicans are under investigation, arrest, indictment, sentence, yadda-yadda? And, how many Democrats? I think you’re sadly confused.


  145. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Therefore, I choose the path of sarcasm in my posts. At least it seems to keep you all occupied with something other than the latest conspiracy theory de jour.


  146. Unholy+Moses Says:

    I choose not to debate you here, not because I can not hold my own with the facts to support my opinions, but because it is pointless to debate those incapable of sustaining the debate past a few points before becoming angry and violent with the rhetoric.

    Then your comment that you’ve visited this site for a while is either a lie, or you haven’t actually read more than a few comment threads.

    Is this a leftwing site? Yes.

    But I’ve seen plenty of intelligent discussions on here from people of both sides. The common denominators, however, are:

    1. The rightwinger doesn’t start by throwing around insults, only to whine about being insulted later on.
    2. The rightwinger actually provides links and facts, not just opinion.

    Neither you nor Basturd have done either of these.


  147. Bassturd Says:

    How many Republicans are under investigation, arrest, indictment, sentence, yadda-yadda? And, how many Democrats? I think you’re sadly confused.

    Jane,

    How many democrats were under investigation during Clinton’s term…A sh*tload…It’s a game…the majority of politicians are crooks..that’s a given..to actually say one is worse than the other is like catching two dogs in your garbage and only kicking the crap out of one of them because you don’t like him…I never said I liked Bush or anyone else for that matter..I just chose the lesser of the two evils!

    You and the monkeyfruit keep saying I like Bush, not me….

    Bassturd out!!


  148. leftcoast Says:

    How terrifically sad and telling: the President of the United States, in order to look available to “journalists”, must stoop to an interview with O’Reilly. An interview with Alex Trebec (sp) would be of greater import.


  149. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Land deal, Harry Reid has just blamed his attorney, his accountant and those who handle his paperwork for “excuse me” making a million dollars in a LAND DEAL that he FORGOT to file in his ethics and income papers.

    He gets a pass, right? Just a mistake. right.

    Jane, you definately are a hypocrite!

    Oh, and do not forget that he was just implicated in using his campaign donations and fund to give Christmas bonuses to his “Personal” doorman at his condo!!

    Just another “mistake” from the leader of your party?

    That is how you see it, I’M SURE OF IT !


  150. JaneESchneider Says:

    #148: I really don’t give a rat’s ass who you are or if you have ever been here or whether you’re even really the tooth fairy in disguise. You are here to put up strawman arguments and get people riled up, then accuse them of being argumentative, which was what you wanted point in the first place. And yes, we (I) fell for it. But now I know that you’re just a sarcastic ahole who really isn’t interested in arguing politics or human rights or the war, you’re just interested in being a prick.


  151. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Jane, start with that fact then!


  152. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Answer # 153 then Jane! Reid gets a pass from you doesn’t he?


  153. Yikes Says:

    “Jane is one of the gatekeepers here everyday spewing the leftist filth as truth. Doesn’t suprise me she want you the F out. She can’t handle the truth and resorts to trying to kick ya out when agitated.”

    This was the toothfairy’s first post. The second and third posts are jokes pokinig fun at some liberals. Later he/she says they haven’t posted here before. Then this gem:

    “I choose not to debate you here, not because I can not hold my own with the facts to support my opinions, but because it is pointless to debate those incapable of sustaining the debate past a few points before becoming angry and violent with the rhetoric.”

    So toothfairy hasn’t tried to debate any single topic. Instead a couple of jokes, cracks at a couple of regular posters and then ‘oh no I couldn’t possibly debate with you angry violent lefty moonbats here’. Notice the ‘here’ part. Sure, toothfairy, we would come and debate you ‘there’ but we are banned in minutes.

    You are more like a toothless fairy.


  154. yangho Says:

    #151 I never said I liked Bush or anyone else for that matter..I just chose the lesser of the two evils!
    WHy you only have 2 choices? Vote for angels not evils.


  155. The+TroothFairy Says:

    Still waiting for you to tell me how Reid’s predicament is so different than the one’s you make accusation against the republicans.

    C’mon Jane.

    Lets hear you argue Harry Reid out of his delima with an intelligent arguement.


  156. Yikes Says:

    “That is how you see it, I’M SURE OF IT ” From the person that earlier said this ”

    “I am forever amazed at the lefts ability to insert words or thought where they were not.”

    You are loosing a debate with yourself! LOL


  157. Bassturd Says:

    Moses,

    I have not seen any facts from you as well…All any of you have done is state your personal opinions.

    My initial comment got the desired effect that I was looking for…I found out real fast who the fanatical leftists were and they were very gracious to call me names so as to expose themselves. I think it’s funny…I go on all sorts of blogs ut find this one to be the most volatile. Why is that…Are you all that passionate or are you all just angry about something??