Bush: Iraq War Critics ‘Propagandize,’ Engage In ‘Illogical Behavior’
Bush: Iraq War Critics ‘Propagandize,’ Engage In ‘Illogical Behavior’
Yesterday Fox News host Bill O’Reilly asked President Bush whether the “anti-Bush press” is responsible for the American public turning against the war in Iraq. Bush agreed with O’Reilly, stating that he’s “disappointed that people would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior.” Watch it:
Sixty-four percent of the American public now disapproves of Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq. These people are not “illogical” or victims of a propaganda campaign, but are responding to the facts.
Full transcript below:
O’REILLY: Is one of the reasons they’ve turned against the war in Iraq is that the anti-Bush press pounds day in and day out in newspapers, on the network news, in books like Bob Woodward’s, that you don’t know what you’re doing there. You have no have a strategy. You don’t listen to dissent. You’ve got this thing in your mind and you’re stubborn and you just can’t win it.
BUSH: Well, I’m disappointed that people would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior. We have got a plan — first of all a stated goal.
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Why doesn't O'Reilly just perform the interview with knee pads? It's clear he's going to need them.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:36 amThis interview is just another puff piece by the GOP and should be ignored as "propaganda". The very idea that Bill O'Rielly would do an "in-depth" interview is rediculous. He is a puppet just like Bush.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amI flipped past this on TV - thought is was a rerun of "Dumb and Dumber", so I kept flipping - doesn't look like I missed missed much.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amSee, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." - George W Bush
October 17th, 2006 at 11:40 amhuh??? Can we have him removed from office on the basis of being of an unsound mind?
October 17th, 2006 at 11:41 amI wonder if the MSM will be talking about how his socks stayed up.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:41 amBush accuses others of propaganda? Sorry to sound like a broken record, but there it is again: a Republican projecting. Projection is absolutely essential to the psychological makeup of Republicans.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:42 amLOL everything Bush does is "illogical behavior" > his brain got fried on cocaine and booze many years age! He must be impeached!
October 17th, 2006 at 11:45 amLatest Bush Comics by H.L.
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http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com/comic_feature_links.htm
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October 17th, 2006 at 11:45 amBill O. does a real loofah job on W.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:46 amSure, Bush, everyone is irrational but you. We need to get Bush into a mental institution so he can get some help in reconnecting with reality.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:46 amI see how this is going, nothing on the dreadful bill for week's, no response on the small text and lot's of link's on two miserable examples of the human kind.....Like disecting frog's we are all going to be bombarded by every miserable word these reich winged nut bag's have to say........How about some good new's.? Is there any.?........Like many, I am stunned. No matter what I do it is not good enough and to date these liers and thieves are still given all the attention they don't deserve.....With my headache from this site's small print I leave you all to ponder....What the hell are we going to do if voteing is not enough.?......Blessings, sometimes they don't even work...
October 17th, 2006 at 11:46 amGod people........when are people going to get really angry? This is not about dumb, dumber or anything so benign. Bush is closing in for the kill. Now that he's got his habeus corpus vaccine, he can being to frame more clearly how we are the propagandists...not him. He and RoveCo are going to try to now harden and crystalize the division of the American people...demonize anyone who is against them....and then of course..now..they have the "legal" means to just "disappear" us. If they can get enough of the right wing Americans to agree that many of their fellow citizens are "illogical" "With the terrorists" etc. just because we criticize the chimporer, it will be so much easier for them to fill those detention camps here at home....with US. We had better wake up and FAST
October 17th, 2006 at 11:47 am"You don’t know what you’re doing there" is more than an accusation; it's a fact verified by the president and the generals he likes: They can't and won't keep track of their victims.
Here's his latest display of care and concern:
Q -- the 30,000, Mr. President? Do you stand by your figure, 30,000?
THE PRESIDENT: You know, I stand by the figure. A lot of innocent people have lost their life -- 600,000, or whatever they guessed at, is just -- it's not credible. Thank you.
So little of reality is credible these days.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:47 amIn the delusional world of the Preznit FACTS are "illogical". To act on those FACTS and take alternative corrective measures are "illogical behaviors"
WTF???!!!!!!
Can we get a urine specimen please? SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!
Anti Bush Press??? You mean the 10 mutltimedia conglomerates who are billionaires and Republican donors?
WTF?????!!!!!!!!
More proof male cheerleaders make shitty Commanders in Chief.
Keep talking Chimpy you keep burying yourself along with any shred of credebility.
It is official the Emporer is naked.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:52 amIs the resemblance between Alfred E Neuman and Dumbya just a coincidence? "What me worry?"
October 17th, 2006 at 11:53 amI hope this kind of incisive questioning on O'Reilly's part earns him another Peabody.
Oops, sorry. He never won a Peabody. But he sure is proud of that Peabody he never won.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:53 amWell accepted defenition of Insanity;
REPEATING THE SAME BEHAVIOR AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.
Staying the corps is in fact illogical behavior.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:56 amSharon Cox > not much we can do if the November election gets rigged for the GOP by Diebold > I do not want to be sent to the Halliburton built detention camp in Utah > GOP Mormon guards would most likely be sadistic, like Nazi guards were at Dachau!
Eventually all corrupt dictatorships collapse, or are destroyed when they attack too many nations, like Hitler's regime when he attacked Russia > after Bush attacks Iran, and China gets involved, the end for the Bush regime will come > I hope we survive the dire times ahead!
October 17th, 2006 at 11:56 amDid anyone get a shot of bill-o kissing his boots?...amazing he won't meet with Cindy Sheehan tho...."Mr.Olbermann is waiting for you mr.prez"...
October 17th, 2006 at 12:01 pm''FOX SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!.....
There must be 50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
October 17th, 2006 at 12:02 pmTell us the plan, George.
A stated goal is not a plan.
You can't tell us the plan because you haven't got a plan.
You don't have a plan for Iraq.
You don't have a plan for North Korea.
You don't have a plan for the economy.
You don't have a plan for homeland security.
You don't have a plan for New Orleans.
You're an intellectually lazy, pampered child of privilege who has never had a plan for anything in his disastrous life.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:03 pmYou're the sort of person America should be ashamed it ever produced.
Marine's letter home...
http://www.time.com/time/world/printout/0,8816,1543658,00.html
Including this bullseye:
Biggest Outrage — Practically anything said by talking heads on TV about the war in Iraq, not that I get to watch much TV. Their thoughts are consistently both grossly simplistic and politically slanted. Biggest Offender: Bill O'Reilly.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:06 pmCaption: "Could you fix it so I could become a page,your Higness?"
October 17th, 2006 at 12:08 pmGod how I would love to see Bill O'Reilly(Mr. Propaganda) put into a catapault and fired off.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmthe perfect interview - two of the nation's biggest BSers having a chat... I'm sure a lot of objective, useful info came out of this one...
October 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmHearing these two talk about propagandizing and illogical behavior is ironic.
Who better to interview Bush than one of the most illogical Bush-butt-kissers to ever grace the airwaves of TV and radio.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmPost # 13 by s is right. It's not just about Bush being dumb or crazy, he's a budding dictator who is capable of any number of things, including putting US citizens in camps, or starting an unprovoked war with Iran.
Right now the USS Eisenhower is steaming towards the Persian Gulf, "accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month."
As the British historian, Michael Carmichal puts it, we're slip sliding into "World War W." The internment camps, most likely will come next.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/101106CARMICHAEL.shtml
October 17th, 2006 at 12:15 pmIllogical behaviour is ignoring the commanders on the ground and staying the course in Iraq.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:16 pmWhen will the Bush Cabal and ReichWingNuts ever learn that facts, truth, and reality are very important for how policies are formed and action is taken???
October 17th, 2006 at 12:19 pmthe perfect interview - two of the nation’s biggest BSers having a chat… I’m sure a lot of objective, useful info came out of this one…
Comment by Pete_Bogs — October 17, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
It is the perfect interview. Don't they just remind you of Tammy and Jim before the fall...?
October 17th, 2006 at 12:19 pm'We have a tie!...two.."WORSE PERSONS IN THE WORLDDDDDDD"
October 17th, 2006 at 12:22 pmDid anyone else notice that Bush didn't deny any of those accusations? Also, B.O. could barely keep a straight face while reading the litany of criticism against Dubya. How does anyone take this puff piece seriously?
October 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pmTough questions?
I've seen Mr. Green-jeans ask tougher questions of Captain Kangaroo.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:38 pmThis is sad. You know what's more sad is that they are going to keep control of both houses. With the way the Grand Ol Pervs under Tom Delay rigged all the districts so they can keep their thugs in office. They may lose some seats but they are really protected. The representation is simply not there in the districts.. I have litttle faith in the system of voting. I'm sure in close races you'll see "voting irregularities".The way these people are trying to turn this country into a theocracy we should all be worried and take notice. They are controlling the courts and slowly the media. They don't give a damn about the poor even with the so calld faith based initiatives they wil not follow up on. We are in trouble because our country doesn't listen to facts. I say we are in the Jerry Springer age. You know a candidate is better the party with more money makes more commercials that are lies and people jump on the bandwagon because that person won the battle of the name calling.Just like cheer for Jerry Springer host. The facts just go out the window and the rethugs as we know are good at getting around facts and leading their fklock blindly into a blaze of glory. Yes I hope we win one house at least but the way they have gerrymandered the districts they have all but secured control of this country for years to come and we will all pay for it whether we voted for them our not.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:39 pmBush and his serfs are definitions of illogical and irrational behavior ...
October 17th, 2006 at 12:41 pmPresident Bush saying that most Americans (who are obviously smarter than he is) are "illogical" is another in a long and ever increasing list of Bushlexias that we have to endure from this boob. That's like wondering if a certain Pit Bull dog is bad just because he has attacked 23 humans in the past week.
If something isn't the truth it simply isn't the truth. George Bush (and Bill O'Reilly for that matter) believe they can spin whatever they want people to believe as the truth and then present as truth. That's illogical. Lies are not the truth except for the fact that they are lies.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:42 pmIgnoring facts has lead Bush to be the worst president in America's history and he is in absolute denial of his own incompetence. A typical village idiot.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe press is really the only thing that stands in Bush's way to acquring absolute power and becoming just like Putin in Russia. Unfortunately, there are members of the press like Bill who will gladly help him to it in order to curry favor.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmO'Reilly in 2003: "Look, if it turns out that there are no WMD's, I won't support the administration anymore."
In 2006: "You can't be confrontational with the president."
Why do O'Reilly fans have so little self-respect that they allow this man to lie in their faces over and over and love him for it?
October 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pmYou people are friggin nuts!!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...Even if you win, you're still a retard!
Get a life...
October 17th, 2006 at 1:09 pmBassturd out!!!!!!!
You people are friggin nuts!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...Even if you win, you're still a retard!!
Get a clue.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:11 pmBassturd out!!!!
Your screen-name fits you well > Bassturd > lol.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pm#41 Bassturd
You people are friggin nuts!!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!
Get a life…
Bassturd out!!!!!!!
Then why are you reading and posting here?
You must be friggin' nuts.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pmActually I fought for my right, and yours, to post whatever and wherever I so choose to...so deal with it! I just enjoy throwing rocks in the cave and watching the moonbats flutter about!
Bassturd out!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:21 pmSince you decided to come and argue with us, that makes you a retard. Yea! Way to go Special Ed.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:24 pmBush doesn't know anything outside his bubble. He's irrelevant.
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…
Speaking of irrelevant ... This medium is transforming politics, so it's no wonder that bushtards have to pretend it's a joke. They're losing their ass and they're not man enough to face that simple fact.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:25 pm.
And so did I and a lot of the others here. So, what is your point. Retard.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:31 pmWhat's that smell?
October 17th, 2006 at 1:32 pm#22 Tell us the plan, George.
Here it is:
THE REPUBLICAN PLAN FOR IRAQ
PLAN A:
Win '06 elections and stay in power.
Continue installing puppet gov't in Iraq and skimming oil profits while cronies making billions in gov't contracts.
Continue removing rights at home so all dissenters can be "confined".
PLAN B:
Repub's lose House or Senate.
Continue installing puppet gov't in Iraq and skimming oil profits while cronies making billions in gov't contracts.
Continue removing rights at home so all dissenters can be "confined".
Any non-progress is blamed on those liberal partisan democrats not cooperating.
Any action to remove troops from Iraq will be blamed on Democrats as interfering with _The_Plan_ and thus absolving Repub's from *ANY* responsibility in the failed war/police action/occupation/freedom fight. This WILL BE thrown back in the face of any democrat from here on. DEMOCRATS CUT AND RUN SO WE LOST THE WAR will be the cry forever heard from the Repub's.
This will work well for them in the next elections.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:38 pmName calling???? Now that's a true left tactic!! When all else fails start calling people names...I can do it too poopie face!
geez...your intelligence is showing sploogeboy!
Bassturd out!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pmAssTurd, you keep saying you're out, so GET THE F*CK OUT!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:43 pmBassturd out!!!
Comment by Bassturd
Hopefully.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:44 pmIn psychological terms, the president is projecting.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:44 pmHABEAS CORPUS JUST DIED TODAY. Just saying.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:45 pmThank you Jane,
Thats what I meant to say.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#40. You hit the nail on the head. B.O. will say whatever, whenever and won't be held accountable. Off to Fox.com to write an email to B.O. to see if I can get on the Factor's email segment with that question.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:49 pmYou people are friggin nuts!!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
Name calling???? Now that’s a true left tactic!! When all else fails start calling people names…I can do it too poopie face!
geez…your intelligence is showing sploogeboy!
Bassturd out!!!
Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
BASSTURD - typical right wing fanatical idiot. You started the name calling then put the republican spin on it and turned it around saying name calling is a leftist tactic! What a f***king idiotic hypocritical fool you are! Yet typical of a fascist Right winger. You say you fought for your rights to criticize yet turn around and criticize those for criticizing. GET A BRAIN FOOL!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:52 pmForTruth: Any time!:-D
October 17th, 2006 at 1:56 pmHmmmmm...cursing and name calling........Ya'll are too friggin easy!...
October 17th, 2006 at 2:11 pmYa’ll are too friggin easy!
Idiot can't even spell "y'all" correctly.
And just what do you mean "easy" when you've argued nothing? You're not even in the fight. What's the matter? Waiting for your talking points? Lord knows you've never had an opinion of your own.
Keep making noise, slave. It's all you're good for.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:16 pm.
Bassturd,
Jane is one of the gatekeepers here everyday spewing the leftist filth as truth. Doesn't suprise me she want you the F out. She can't handle the truth and resorts to trying to kick ya out when agitated.
It wouldn't suprise me if she was a professor from Boulder, Colorado or maybe Columbia University, and was trying to indoctrinate our youth with her garbage. She seems educated unough, just delusional and misguided. Prop too many drugs in her youth?
Anyway, keep up the fight. By the way, is your moniker a fishing reference or maybe guitar related? Just wondering.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:26 pmis there any way that bush can remain in power beyond his next 2 years. perhaps a military emergency, a nuclear crisis, i would not be suprised if bush somehow manages to usurp the laws of the land and name himself "dictator for life".
October 17th, 2006 at 2:34 pmYou know, TroothFairy, I don't actually spew. In fact, except for a few responses to trash here and there, I'm not one of the ones to post a long, informational comment (what you would refer to as "spewing leftist filth." Usually my comments are brief, and occasionally attempt to be humorous. I am definitely not a gatekeeper, as there are many days when I don't even get a chance to read the threads, let alone comment. I just happen to have gotten in a few here and there in the last few days.
So I think that you're exaggerating my position here, but, thanks for the recognition. And you're totally wrong about my background, BTW.
As for my response to AssTurd? What did he (?) or you expect, posting antagonistic crap like that?
October 17th, 2006 at 2:34 pmTrooth Fairy,
I agree that these people seem to have some kind of chip on their shoulders...If it were up to them we'd have a government full of people who talk alot yet do nothing except try to cover up their own underhanded dealings. And my name refers to what I am generally called on a daily basis by these whackjobs! I just choose not to curse and spew hatred like they do.......
Oh by the way....Jane doesn't scare me!!! She can curse me and say whatever she wants. It's her right to do so.
Bassturd out!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:35 pmBassturd, this news just in.
A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on US 95 south, just outside of
Washington
Nothing is moving north or south.
Suddenly a man knocks on his window.
The driver rolls down his window and asks, "What happened?"
"What's the hold up?"
"Terrorists have kidnapped Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Jesse
Jackson, Al Sharpton and John Kerry.
They are asking for a $10 million ransom. Otherwise, they are going
to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire."
"We are going from car to car, taking up a collection."
The driver asks, "On average how much is everyone giving?"
"About two gallons."
October 17th, 2006 at 2:40 pmLMAO!!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:42 pmDamn! I forgot to close my parentheses! "(what you would refer to as “spewing leftist filth.â€
AssTurd/BassTurd/SchmassTurd: I'm not trying to scare you, that's a pretty stupid thing to say. I'm just trying to get you to leave. You are not posting anything of substance, so why linger?
And, in response to your latest crap, we already have "...a government full of people who talk alot yet do nothing except try to cover up their own underhanded dealings." You put them there! I seriously cannot believe that you can look at this administration and NOT see failure after failure after failure, and lies upon lies upon lies.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:42 pmDAMN! I missed it!
...but then...
...I never was one for watching...
...gay porn...
October 17th, 2006 at 2:43 pmwhere is my post tp? you let foul mouthed nonsense on here but you won't allow the truth to be told.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:46 pmJust thought I'd point out the pointlessness of feeding the fishdroppings...
October 17th, 2006 at 2:46 pmI must agree that:
October 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pmI am disappointed that the president would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior.â€
Hey Bassturd,
There once was Senator from Mass,
Who went on a search for a lass,
He lucked out and found it,
Then f-ed up and drowned it,
and that was the end of his ass!
And this is one of lefty's heroes!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:49 pmRUC is clever, I like that. Nice use of fishdroppings !!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:50 pmJane,
I do not agree with everything the current administration has done nor do I think everything they do is correct. You on the other hand will never disagree with your beloved left wingers even if they were child molesters and rapists...Which several are and one actually received a standing ovation in congress from your party for doing so! I didn't see any outrage from you about that so don't call me a hypocrite without first taking a long hard look in the mirror!
And the name calling is really showing your maturity!! PFFT!
Bassturd out!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:51 pmRUCerious, sorry, but I had to.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:51 pmGod how I would love to see Bill O’Reilly(Mr. Propaganda) put into a catapault and fired off.
seeing the guys less than lame ratings, in combination with the GOP about to lose the election - we might get to see that catapaulting soon enough.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:52 pmlooks like the angry right wing wacko trolls have showed up
shouldn't they be in a strategy meeting somewhere?
it will interesting to see the progression of their psychotic meltdown as Nov. 7 approaches
October 17th, 2006 at 2:55 pmAnd Bush and O'Reilly and Fox News would know all about propaganda, wouldn't they. As far as the Republican Trash posting here today goes, they're all the types who would have proudly served Adolph Hitler. Hard to believe such sheep still exist today, yet they do. They are ruled by bigotry and hate. Hence, Bush is a kindred spirit to them, and in the most extreme cases, to them Bush is a god. Bush and his followers will suffer the same fate at Hitler and his. It's happening right now. No doubt, Bush, Cheney, et al. will be fleeing to South America (as Hitler's men did) in order to avoid the certainty of the death penalty they'll face here in the United States when they are tried for their war crimes and crimes against humanity.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:56 pmPlans of Democratic Party Dominate Iraq Strategy
When the GOP blows its false trumpet that the Dems have no plans for Iraq I suggest they first bite down on the following sentence.
"Redeployment" is now the leading strategy for Iraq with a bipartisan world-wide cast coming on board.
Jack Murtha, a Democrat, at some personal political risk announced that "our presence in Iraq has become the cause, not the cure, for much of the violence." This has now been openly confirmed by bipartisan leaders, including most forcefully by Britain’s Army Chief of Staff.
Murtha's wisdom is now a major policy plank for an Iraq solution.
Murtha, a Democrat, was the first to call for implementation of a plan to "redeploy." This, a Democratic plan, is becoming the majority opinion strategy for Iraq.
When the GOP and Joe Lieberman attempt to paint Democrats as weak on terror and having no plans for Iraq solutions it only serves as a continuing illustration of their bankrupt and inept foreign policy.
"Stay the Course" has put our Troops in harm's way. "Stay the Course" has hamstrung our now openly angry and frustrated Military leadership. "Stay the Course" has now been openly exposed for what it is, a disingenuous mantra employed by the GOP for political gain.
Democrats have changed the debate and the strategy for Iraq.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:57 pmGod how I would love to see Bill O’Reilly(Mr. Propaganda) put into a catapault and fired off.
hmmm...wishing physical harm to another human being. I guess that's just another leftist trait...If you don't agree...They wish to kill you!!
Bassturd out!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:59 pmnym,
Your assesment of the ratings of Mr. Oreilly are so wrong its pathetic. He has the most watched cable news show in production according to Neilson ratings. However your beloved Air America network shows the true state of a not only a show, but an entire network in crisis. America doesnt care for the far left views Air America put on the air.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:59 pmIn the word of a true patriot, (figure it out yourself)
ADIOS MOONBATS!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:02 pmSee ya tomorrow!!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:02 pmHmmm, did I say the word "hypocrite"? No, I don't think so.
You think that you know just so freaking much about me, and you don't know jack sh!t. The only reason that I responded to you in the first place was because your first posts were purely antagonistic.
"You people are friggin nuts!!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!
Get a life…
Bassturd out!!!!!!!
Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
You people are friggin nuts!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!!
Get a clue.
Bassturd out!!!!
Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 1:11 pm
If you expected a reasonable argument from anyone, you blew it right there. Sorry, but opening comments like that disqualify you from reasoned debate. So don't suddenly start acting as though you had been civilly debating a point and I went off on you, you're a troll who simply wanted to stir things up. So, once again (but I'll leave out the profanity since it so offends you) GET OUT!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:03 pmmaybe, although america care's about republican pedophilia on the internet.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:04 pmVaya con diablo - spoofairy
October 17th, 2006 at 3:05 pmJane - I know, sometimes I just have to up and smack these jackanapes down.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:06 pmGET OUT!
Make me!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:08 pmo' and adding to post 90
if we pay the salaries of the politicians with our hard, earned money than why can't we count them as dependents? let's talk about it
October 17th, 2006 at 3:13 pmand let's talk about the nazi ideology of this admin. and stripping away our freedoms, privacy for one.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:16 pmRUC tries to be clever, but is only parroting the lefts Champion, Chavez, with devil reference. Keep trying.
And by the way, you couldn't slap mustard on a ham sandwich, much less a jakanape down!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:16 pmwhat happened to my post. it was up and then deleted why. did i scare someone with the truth.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:18 pmHey spoofairy, I thought you said you were leaving?
October 17th, 2006 at 3:20 pmby the by, I didn't refer to Chavez, I just said, Go with the Devil. That would be fishdroppings.
BTW. The ham on rye with mustard and dill pickle was a delicious luncheon repast.
sorry for posting twice tpers. at first they didn't want to post it so i tried again.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:21 pmHey BS,
More off your tax money is paying for all the illegals that sneak across our southern border and end up in our education system, hospitals and jails. You should want them as you dependents too.
And by the way, the Iranian President was actually "conected" to the Nazi's, so when you talk about truth, know what the h@$$ you are talking about! The true enemy is waiting at your doorstep, waiting for you to fall asleep. Bush is saving your sorry life!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:24 pmOh, and spoofairy,
October 17th, 2006 at 3:25 pmDid you mean: jackanape
It would help to spell your insults correctly. Otherwise we might think, as many do, that you are an ignoramus.
I didn't say you refered to him (another leftist twist on my statement), I said you were "parroting him. LOL.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmGee, that's funny ... that's EXACTLY the government we have now, and it's all ran by Republicans.
If you projected any more, you'd be a PowerPoint presentation.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:28 pmOh, parroting, that's very different. When exactly did Mr. Chavez say Go with the Devil? Citation, please. Ignoramus.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:28 pmThe true enemy is waiting at your doorstep, waiting for you to fall asleep.
yes, yes, america knows that. now tell us, why else are republicans losing the elections?
October 17th, 2006 at 3:28 pmI am forever amazed at the lefts ability to insert words or thought where they were not. Hmmmmm
October 17th, 2006 at 3:31 pmNow we get grammer lessons......geeez... Exactly what I would expect from you RUC. Insults and spelling corrections... Is that all you've got???
October 17th, 2006 at 3:33 pmTroothFairy
...and your parents are related how?
...at least illegals are REAL human beings, and Chavez and Ahmadinejad...
...have some basis in reality...
...but you...
...are FAAARRR out...
October 17th, 2006 at 3:33 pmWhat color is the sky in the world you live in?
Seriously ... not a single thing you've posted on this thread has:
a.) any bearing on the topic.
b.) any basis in reality.
Combine those with the fact that you do the exact same thing you accuse others of doing, and it all adds up to someone who is either clinically insane or certifiably retarded.
So which is it?
October 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmspoofairy
Chavez actually said
"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said, referring to Mr. Bush's address on Tuesday and making the sign of the cross. "He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world."
Do you disagree with his assessment of Bush, that he talks as if he were the owner of the world?
I said, and I quote, "Vaya con diablo - spoofairy"
Please connect the dots and enlighten us all as to how what I said is "parroting" Chavez.
Squawk, spoofairy is an ignoramus, spoofairy is an ignoramus, now that's parroting.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#96
More off your tax money is paying for all the illegals that sneak across our southern border and end up in our education system, hospitals and jails. You should want them as you dependents too.
i do and everyone should
And by the way, the Iranian President was actually “conected†to the Nazi’s
and the bush family(since prescott) to along with wolfy, rummy.
The true enemy is waiting at your doorstep, waiting for you to fall asleep
which is the irs, bush criminal regime, congressman
Bush is saving your sorry life!
so grown of lyou but very typical to lash out personally when you can not back up anything. typical nazi way. you are the one that fell for the weapons of mass fear. when you sypathize with a known nazi who has participated in bohemian grove, skull and bones there isn't much room for you to speak truth. and i'll say this when bushwhack brings back habeus corpus, constitution. stays out of my personal business, and stops martial law, imminent domain, overspending(pork) and secures the borders and the nuke sites then maybe. until then he ain't savin shit but his own ass and that is getting hard.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmyes, yes, america knows that. now tell us, why else are republicans losing the elections?
Woo-Hoo!! Line up the interns and lube up the cigars.. The Democrats are coming!!!!!!!
Bassturd out!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmWhy must these war critics propagandificationalize??
October 17th, 2006 at 3:39 pmRUC, Chavez refered to Bush as the devil, you stated go with the devil. Correlation complete. Because I side with the Republicans and you do not, that makes me "with the devil", in Chavez and your remarks. Parroting has many forms, your just a little more subtle and clever than most lefty's when juxtaposing.
Regrards,
October 17th, 2006 at 3:39 pmIgnoramus.
Grammer lessons!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:40 pmLooks like you need spelling lessons furst.
It never ceases to amaze me, how these morons come on here displaying their lack of education.
the post, by the way happens to be about
'Bush: Iraq War Critics ‘Propagandize,’ Engage In ‘Illogical Behavior’
Let's see.
I think it is totally hypocritical of Bush to criticize the war critics by characterizing their dissent as propaganda. It is totally logical to point out the futility of the last three years of occupation.
Please argue with those points, if you can muster a dictionary to get you through the arduous task ahead of you.
i am forever amazed at the right's ability to lie and hide their corruption and child molestations.
oh yeah, line up the pages and break out the lube - the republicans want one last fling before america kicks the bums out!!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:41 pmwhy did you delete my post again tp. you can't handle the truth either. but you will allow the childish antics in here with the foul mouths. why don't ya put it back
October 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmUnholy Moses,
I leave my diagnosis to the experts. They tell me I'm doing better.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmBassturd sounds alot like that moonbat hunter troll that was here recently claiming to want to have decent debate only to come across as something like South Park's Christmass Poo.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWoo-Hoo!! Line up the pages and lube up the Internet tubes .. The Republicans are staying!!!!!!!
Wow ... not adding anything to the discussion sure is easy. No wonder the trolls do it (and it's why I give folks like Exley a pass most -- but not all -- of the time).
The facts are this: Bush has used nothing but propoganda to sell his war. Just look at the catchphrases he uses over and over and over again.
The problem is that a clear majority of the American people aren't buying it anymore. Not because they are illogical, but because the facts simply don't support Bush's rhetoric.
And if any troll can prove me wrong on that, try it. I dare you ...
October 17th, 2006 at 3:47 pmBush is saving your sorry life!
Comment by The+TroothFairy — October 17, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
If he were doing so by, say, throwing himself on top of a hand grenade, then I might be impressed. Sorry, your dear leader is doing NOTHING to make us safer, and is doing EVERYTHING to put us in danger.
#103:
Now we get grammer lessons……geeez… Exactly what I would expect from you RUC. Insults and spelling corrections… Is that all you’ve got???
Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 3:33 pm
It's more than what you've got. "Grammar" lessons.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:47 pmThey're lying.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:48 pmspoofairy, OK, I'm busted, good job.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:50 pmNow, didn't you say you were leaving?
Go with Bush.
I am more than capable of being articulate and clever when the company I am speaking to justifies it...You do not rate that type of response from me.... You can debate your points till you actually believe them. Dissention in our government and the people like yourself are tearing this country apart... I for one hate no man and because I choose to have different beliefs than those of your own, you choose to call names and slander........Typical left responses..
Bassturd out!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:51 pmUnholy Moses,
My doctor is a Democrat, so lying must come natural!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:52 pmI leave my diagnosis to the experts. They tell me I’m doing better.
–The Trooth Fairy, Post #114
They’re lying.
Comment by Unholy+Moses — October 17, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
naturally. all republicans lie.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:52 pmtp, you are owned by the msm. it must have been a nazi telling you to 'dont put it up we will get exposed but do to be fair but only for about 10 secs than take it off.' i call BS. and the only reason you took it off because it is the truth. are lyou all scuuuurrrrrrred.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:53 pmSo blindly following our government, no matter what they do, is better ... ? Seriously?
For some reason, I doubt that you held that belief from 1992 - 2000.
You really should change your name to Panasonic P1SDU. It'd be more fitting.
October 17th, 2006 at 3:57 pmThat's interesting... Bush never uses propaganda. He's mister truthman, right? (sarc)
October 17th, 2006 at 3:57 pmBassturd, for the last time: you did NOT bring any debate to the table in the first place, so our responses to you had nothing to do with you "choosing to hold different beliefs". You NEVER articulated any beliefs except that “You people are friggin nuts!!" To "parrot" you, typical rightwingnut comment! So, you do not have a leg to stand on in any further comments, and do not deserve any consideration now that you're pretending to actually debate.
NO MORE HIJACKING!
October 17th, 2006 at 4:01 pmhow miraculous it's up again.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:02 pmfishdroppings
'I for one hate no man and because I choose to have different beliefs than those of your own, you choose to call names and slander'
Even if you win, you’re still a retard!
I just enjoy throwing rocks in the cave and watching the moonbats flutter about!
I can do it too poopie face!
Line up the interns and lube up the cigars.. The Democrats are coming!!!!!!!
(inference of sexual misconduct)
Wow.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:03 pmI'm sorry if I ever slandered you. Your blindness to your own mental condition is worthy of pity, not slander.
" Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!"
Typical right wing bigotry. Are you afraid of the people that compete in the special olympics? This is the first post from bassturd. Now he comes up with this:
"I am more than capable of being articulate and clever when the company I am speaking to justifies it…You do not rate that type of response from me."
Excuse me!?!? What the hell kind of person are you? You believe that regular posters here expect you to be articulate and clever after dissing people who compete in the special olympics? You need help.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:04 pm#45
Actually I fought for my right, and yours, to post whatever and wherever I so choose to…so deal with it! I just enjoy throwing rocks in the cave and watching the moonbats flutter about!
Who'd you fight? If you're trying to tell us you were in the service, please name the branch, unit, years served and where served.
Suddenly there's a rash of right-wing trolls saying they served and I'm not buyin' it.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:04 pmUSMC 88-92
Bravo 1/7 "task force ripper" in the Gulf War
0341 - 60 mm Mortar squad leader
Any other questions?????
Bassturd out!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 4:10 pmBassturd and Trooth Fairy
Your president is a lying moron and your party is full of crooks, pedophiles, and closeted self-hating gays. What do you have to be proud of? Good lord what a couple of losers you guys are!
October 17th, 2006 at 4:11 pmChimpeach, the Trooth Fairy sounds an awful lot like yesterday's troll du jour, Moonbat Hater, who lied about it being his "first time" on this site, then admitted towards the end that he was just here to stir up trouble.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:21 pmYou're right, those two trolls are a couple of losers.
#131
USMC 88-92
Bravo 1/7 “task force ripper†in the Gulf War
0341 - 60 mm Mortar squad leader
Not that it proves anything, but it's not beneath the righties to lie about something like that. Where specifically "in the Gulf War"?
And what is your problem anyway? You think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Rumsfeld is a military genius? Did you learn nothing in your alleged time in the service?
Bassturd out!!!
What a clever signature, fitting of someone who considers himself a turd.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:25 pmYou never can tell about them, Jane. It just seems like there's an inordinate number of new trolls suddenly flocking to ThinkProgress. It seems a little more like a campaign than just a bunch of bloggers suddenly discovering this site.
The desperation is becoming evident, too. No matter how big a smiley face Bush and Rove try to paint on their election chances, the rank and file are starting to sense defeat.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:29 pmYour president is a lying moron and your party is full of crooks, pedophiles, and closeted self-hating gays. What do you have to be proud of? Good lord what a couple of losers you guys are!
Yor part isn't at all different than you describe. Your part is full of income falsifying, bribe taking, infidelty, aldulterers, statutory rapists and those who hate all that have differing opinion. What do you have to be proud of? And to top it off, I'm suprised you would choose to use the term "good Lord" as isn't your party that wants nothing to do with religion?
Talk about a loser chimp-speach.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pmfishdroppings -
October 17th, 2006 at 4:31 pmI salute your service, especially the mine clearing operation your unit performed.
I wonder if you are suffering from Gulf War syndrome and don't know it.
Listen monkeyfruit,
If you're so clever look it up on the internet..I do not have to explain myself to you or anyone else....As far as me worshipping Bush and Rumsfeld, your sadly mistaken..I just think they are a better alternative than Kerry or Hillary or any other leftist.
Bassturd out!
October 17th, 2006 at 4:32 pmWhy? Religion should separate from politic, right?
October 17th, 2006 at 4:38 pmRUC,
Because my opinions differ from yours, I am sick?...I do not go around wishing ill will to any democrats or anyone else for that matter as so many here do to the right. Now who sounds sick?
October 17th, 2006 at 4:40 pmBill & George...great comedy act...ala Abbott & Costello, Laurel & Hardy or Dumb & Dumber
October 17th, 2006 at 4:40 pmJane,
Just looked through yesterday's posts and found the blogger that you are comparing me to. It appears I have the same political affiliation as MoonbatHunter but sorry, not the same person. It also stated that you accused the same MoonbatHunter of being someone who previously posted as MoonbatPatrol. I sense a pattern here. You like to accuse those with differing opinions of being the same person. That is also where I saw MG post "adios moonbats". Am I him too? Geez.
I never said I have not been to this site. I can tell you however that I have not posted here before today. I've silently viewed from the fence until today. It would be convenient for you if I was all these same people as then it would be easy for you to dismiss my posts. But alas, it appears we are many.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:41 pmPanasonic P1SDU strikes again!!
October 17th, 2006 at 4:42 pm"Because my opinions differ from yours, I am sick?…I do not go around wishing ill will to any democrats or anyone else for that matter as so many here do to the right. Now who sounds sick?"
I know your friggin nuts. When are your tryouts for the special olympics Mr. Bigot?
October 17th, 2006 at 4:46 pmNo fishdroppings, it just seemed to me that your inability to articulate a position on anything indicated a possible diminished mental capacity that is a could be an indication of GWS.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:47 pmYour first post, #41 mentioned that "Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win, you’re still a retard!!"
But that is exactly what you are doing, so...
I'm glad you feel like playing "I just enjoy throwing rocks " with us here.
It keeps you off the streets where you might get hurt.
Yes. Just like when our opinions differ from yours we're "nuts."
There is, however, on problem (at least for me). All you've done is state your opinion. No fact. Why is that?
Please show us any facts that display:
1. The Bush and Co. have not propogated propaganda.
2. That their policies are actually working.
3. That their decisions have been logical.
I ask because, quite frankly, I know you can't do it. Well, not without lying in order to do so.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:48 pmAs far as what you do here, this is not a debating site. It is a place for leftwing wackos to post their mindless accusations and implausible theories of what they think the right is about to other leftwing wackos who share the same view.
You claim you would offer debate on issues if approached differently, but in all the times I have been here reading up on what the left thinks, I have never seen you offer intelligent debate to an opposing view. It ALWAYS turns to something just a bit more absurd and the attacks never seem to be far from the debate.
I choose not to debate you here, not because I can not hold my own with the facts to support my opinions, but because it is pointless to debate those incapable of sustaining the debate past a few points before becoming angry and violent with the rhetoric.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:50 pmYor part isn’t at all different than you describe. Your part is full of income falsifying, bribe taking, infidelty, aldulterers, statutory rapists and those who hate all that have differing opinion. What do you have to be proud of? And to top it off, I’m suprised you would choose to use the term “good Lord†as isn’t your party that wants nothing to do with religion?
Talk about a loser chimp-speach.
Comment by The+TroothFairy — October 17, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
What a pile of trash. Can I take it that "part" means "party"? Wait, who's the party of lobbyists, land deals, pedophilia, etc., etc., etc. How many Republicans are under investigation, arrest, indictment, sentence, yadda-yadda? And, how many Democrats? I think you're sadly confused.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:50 pmTherefore, I choose the path of sarcasm in my posts. At least it seems to keep you all occupied with something other than the latest conspiracy theory de jour.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:53 pmThen your comment that you've visited this site for a while is either a lie, or you haven't actually read more than a few comment threads.
Is this a leftwing site? Yes.
But I've seen plenty of intelligent discussions on here from people of both sides. The common denominators, however, are:
1. The rightwinger doesn't start by throwing around insults, only to whine about being insulted later on.
2. The rightwinger actually provides links and facts, not just opinion.
Neither you nor Basturd have done either of these.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:57 pmHow many Republicans are under investigation, arrest, indictment, sentence, yadda-yadda? And, how many Democrats? I think you’re sadly confused.
Jane,
How many democrats were under investigation during Clinton's term...A sh*tload...It's a game...the majority of politicians are crooks..that's a given..to actually say one is worse than the other is like catching two dogs in your garbage and only kicking the crap out of one of them because you don't like him...I never said I liked Bush or anyone else for that matter..I just chose the lesser of the two evils!
You and the monkeyfruit keep saying I like Bush, not me....
Bassturd out!!
October 17th, 2006 at 4:58 pmHow terrifically sad and telling: the President of the United States, in order to look available to "journalists", must stoop to an interview with O'Reilly. An interview with Alex Trebec (sp) would be of greater import.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:59 pmLand deal, Harry Reid has just blamed his attorney, his accountant and those who handle his paperwork for "excuse me" making a million dollars in a LAND DEAL that he FORGOT to file in his ethics and income papers.
He gets a pass, right? Just a mistake. right.
Jane, you definately are a hypocrite!
Oh, and do not forget that he was just implicated in using his campaign donations and fund to give Christmas bonuses to his "Personal" doorman at his condo!!
Just another "mistake" from the leader of your party?
That is how you see it, I'M SURE OF IT !
October 17th, 2006 at 5:01 pm#148: I really don't give a rat's ass who you are or if you have ever been here or whether you're even really the tooth fairy in disguise. You are here to put up strawman arguments and get people riled up, then accuse them of being argumentative, which was what you wanted point in the first place. And yes, we (I) fell for it. But now I know that you're just a sarcastic ahole who really isn't interested in arguing politics or human rights or the war, you're just interested in being a prick.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:01 pmJane, start with that fact then!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:02 pmAnswer # 153 then Jane! Reid gets a pass from you doesn't he?
October 17th, 2006 at 5:04 pm"Jane is one of the gatekeepers here everyday spewing the leftist filth as truth. Doesn’t suprise me she want you the F out. She can’t handle the truth and resorts to trying to kick ya out when agitated."
This was the toothfairy's first post. The second and third posts are jokes pokinig fun at some liberals. Later he/she says they haven't posted here before. Then this gem:
"I choose not to debate you here, not because I can not hold my own with the facts to support my opinions, but because it is pointless to debate those incapable of sustaining the debate past a few points before becoming angry and violent with the rhetoric."
So toothfairy hasn't tried to debate any single topic. Instead a couple of jokes, cracks at a couple of regular posters and then 'oh no I couldn't possibly debate with you angry violent lefty moonbats here'. Notice the 'here' part. Sure, toothfairy, we would come and debate you 'there' but we are banned in minutes.
You are more like a toothless fairy.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:05 pm#151 I never said I liked Bush or anyone else for that matter..I just chose the lesser of the two evils!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:06 pmWHy you only have 2 choices? Vote for angels not evils.
Still waiting for you to tell me how Reid's predicament is so different than the one's you make accusation against the republicans.
C'mon Jane.
Lets hear you argue Harry Reid out of his delima with an intelligent arguement.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:08 pm"That is how you see it, I’M SURE OF IT " From the person that earlier said this "
"I am forever amazed at the lefts ability to insert words or thought where they were not."
You are loosing a debate with yourself! LOL
October 17th, 2006 at 5:09 pmMoses,
I have not seen any facts from you as well...All any of you have done is state your personal opinions.
My initial comment got the desired effect that I was looking for...I found out real fast who the fanatical leftists were and they were very gracious to call me names so as to expose themselves. I think it's funny...I go on all sorts of blogs ut find this one to be the most volatile. Why is that...Are you all that passionate or are you all just angry about something??
October 17th, 2006 at 5:09 pmOK, Jane can not defend Reid, anyone else want to try?
October 17th, 2006 at 5:10 pmNO ONE in government who breaks the law gets a pass from me! Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green, Marijuana Reform Party - any government representative who uses his position to break the law, or breaks the law in any way, should be ousted! There, you wanted an opinion on politics from me. So get your preconceived ideas out of your head (or ass). We here care more about the law and the Constitution than individuals, so get that through your head first, then, maybe, you can post comments that people can actually respond to.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmYikes, defend # 153. Jane was so eager to throw out there that Republicans are the "Land Deal" politicians and the party under investigation.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmFor once I agree with Bush on something. Bush said he was “disappointed that people would propagandize to that effect because the stakes are too high for that kind of illogical behavior.â€
Where we differ is that his own words defines his behavior to a tee rather than the other way around.
The other difference is that it is Bush himself that has the blood of 3,000 soldiers killed in Iraq. That and the 80-300 thousand Iraqi's killed. These numbers mirror what is going on in Darfar -- while Bush does nothing.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmSilence from the left, I throw out one counterpoint to actually try and get a debat as to why Reids situation can be explained, and all are silent.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:15 pm#162 No one able defend that, You can defend Bush.Co? Want to try?
October 17th, 2006 at 5:15 pmJane, you still did not tell me "specifically" how you feel about what Reid has done.
We here care more about the law and the Constitution than individuals, so get that through your head first, then, maybe, you can post comments that people can actually respond to.
After all the "give us facts" for a point to debate, this is what you post. You only posted this as you have no way of explaining how one of your own has done something in the same fashion as those on the right you accuse.
It's the easy way out to say say you can not respond as I am not worthy after those here berating me for saying what I said before about not being able to get a civil argument from you folks for more than a few minutes.
LOL.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:21 pmTroothFairy, I have no knowledge of the "Land Deal" politicians or what Harry Reid's invovlement is so I will not 'defend' #153. If Harry Reid is guilty on unethical behaviour then by all means he deserves to be fined or jailed or both.
Can you defend Bush's removal of habeas corpeus? The Land Deal thing is surely important if unethical behaviour is concerned but really, this new bill of Bush's completely flys in the face of the constitution. THAT is something that should be debated from here in blogland to MSM.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:21 pmtoothdecay, I DID respond, so don't pull that "silence from the left" crap. And your thoughts on Hastert's use of his position in a land deal that made him, I believe, an extra $2 million?
October 17th, 2006 at 5:22 pmYes, I am angry.
Angry that my country has been taken over by a bunch of idiots who don't know there is more than one kind of Muslim.
Angry that my country invaded another country that was no threat.
Angry that Halliburton has ripped off the American taxpayers to the tune of $1 BILLION and nothing has been done about it.
Angry that the religious right keeps telling others what they can do in their own bedrooms.
Angry that the GOP is convinced that keeping two consenting adults from marrying is the most important issue facing our country.
Angry that 45 million Americans don't have any health care.
Angry that our children are being taught how to pass a test, rather than receiving real-world knowledge.
Angry that my grandmother pays MORE for her perscriptions than she did before the Plan D(ebacle) was passed.
Angry that Congress spent 140 hours on the Clinton Christmas Card list in the 90s, yet spent fewer than 10 debating whether or not torture is okay a few weeks ago.
Angry that we even have to discuss whether or not torture is okay.
Angry that the President can issue signing statements saying he can do whatever the hell he wants, Congress and the courts be damned.
Angry that the GOP wants the judicial branch removed from our government.
Angry that we have a deficit my childrens' childrens' children will have to pay for.
Angry that Bush and Co. ignore thousands of scientists from all over the world on the issue of global warming.
Angry that the right accuses everyone of playing politics, when it's the only game the right knows how to play.
Angry that countless Republicans have been arrested, indicted, or convicted of countless crimes, yet some try to act as if the Dems are just as bad (they have their issues, but nowhere near what the GOP has).
I could keep going, but I think you get the point.
Oh, and I could also provide links to each and everyone of these, but you've already said you don't want to debate the issues, so why bother?
October 17th, 2006 at 5:24 pmTroothFairy as a independ mind, I never force myself to choice the lesser of the two evils. I don't care about rightwing or leftwing. I fight against the war and support for Constitution, humanity, Religion-Free Govt so on.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:28 pmbut you’ve already said you don’t want to debate the issues, so why bother?
Putting words in my mouth again moses!!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:30 pmSeems to be a habit with you people...I never said that!.. I won't debate your opinions...That's what I said...geeez
Bassturd, get your butt out there training for the special olympics.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:32 pmJane, see, you respond by calling me "toothdecay". I told you earlier that you could not argue a point intelligently or without stooping to a lower level for more than a counterpoint or two. I was correct. My point is made. And you definately did not articulate your specific thoughts on Reid.
Would you then object to me labling the party of Reid as the "other" land deal party and call it a draw?
I will answer with a response on the Hastert after you answer my point with a counterpoint on Reid without a mention of any enamel problems I may or may not have in my mouth.
Yikes, i will get to the second aspect of #169 in a sceond, not dodging you.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:33 pmBassturd, get your butt out there training for the special olympics.
They did away with the underwater BB stacking competition so I guess I'm not qualified anymore!
Bassturd out!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:35 pmyangho, you have me confused with Bassturd. He posted that comment, not I. I have not stated choosing the lessor of evils here on this site.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:35 pmYou only posted this as you have no way of explaining how one of your own has done something in the same fashion as those on the right you accuse. Comment by The+TroothFairy — October 17, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
One of my own? My own what? I'm a registered Independent, which makes you wrong again in your personality profile of me. Regardless, if your point is that one should be blindly following and believing each and every one of the members of your party, and that one should hear or speak no evil of any of those members, WE ARE NOT SHEEP LIKE REPUBLICANS.
How do I explain Harry Reid? I don't! If what Republicans are saying about him is true (which I'm taking with a grain of salt), then Reid is just another greedy politician. On the other hand, why don't you tell us what Harry Reid did personally to increase the value of the land he bought. Dennis Hastert personally shepherded legislation through that ensured that a highway would be built adjacent to his property, thus increasing the value of the land. Do you have evidence that Reid did anything like that? This is according to AEI’s Norman Ornstein. http://www.tnr.com/user/nregi.mhtml?i=w061002&s=lillyornstein100606
Unholy Moses, good post!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:39 pmTroothFairy, I'll be heading out to walk the dogs, followed by a trip to the grocery store, followed by watching the Mets (hopefully) go one up on the Cards. I am still interested in your answer but I won't get back to it for a while tonight.
Later.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:39 pm#177 Ok so what you choice? Defend Bush.CO?
October 17th, 2006 at 5:40 pmBasturd--
Sorry ... got you mixed up with Tooth Fairy. My fault.
Two people does not a corrupt party make. And, so far, that's all you guys got (Reid, maybe, and Jefferson, without a doubt).
But to call it a "draw" on corruption is too funny. Let's see here ...
Ney, Delay, Cunningham, Foley, Hastert, Frist, Scanlon, Abramoff, Weldon, Doolittle, Lester Crawford (FDA), Bob Beauprez (Co.), Tom Noe (Ohio) ...
Again, I could keep going, but I think you get the point. Someone mentioned choosing the GOP because they were the less of two evils.
Seems to me that someone should look up the word "evil" and rethink their position.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:41 pmTo be totally honest, I do not like any particular party or canidate...I dispise the majority of politicians and firmly believe that 90% of them just lie their way into office....But what I do find intriguing is the fact that the left is so intent on hating the right that they are almost blind to any wrong doings of their own party...It boggle the mind!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:46 pm#182 Just stay home in election day, Bassturd. You won't vote for any evils. It is a mortal sin, if you support for a evil.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:52 pmHey, Yikes, another Mets fan, yay!
#175, you know, some of us are at work and not waiting with bated breath for your next utterance, then racing to respond! You never mentioned that people only had, what, 3 minutes to answer you before you start verbally tapping your foot? Get over yourself! Nor did I owe you any specifics about my feelings about anything. I said that anyone in government who uses their position to break the law should be ousted. How much more specific did I need to be? Was the proper answer "Yes, Harry Reid should be removed if he did what the Trooth Fairy said he did"? You know, it is rather laughable that you only have example for the Democrats--did you forget, whats-his-name, Jefferson, the one with the $90,000 in the freezer? Want my opinion? He should leave, too! Are you happy now?
And, since (as regulars here know), I don't have internet service at home, and I, too, have to go to the grocery store before settling down to watch the Mets, this is the last you'll hear from me tonight.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:55 pmYikes, If you are refering to the bill signed today regarding the treatment of those captured in the war on terror, then I can answer quickly. I do not believe that those who we catch have the same rights as a US citizen in US courts. There are those who believe that these terrorist suspects should be given the same consideration as a US Citizen. I find that laughable because these same terrorists are trying to eliminate this same system of government and courts through destruction, death and annihiliation.
I beleive that the terrorist suspects should be interrogated for information that may lead to the saving of American lives. While I do not believe permanent physical harm should be done to them, methods less physical should be used.
You can not give these terrorist the same consideration you would give an American Citizen, with regards to habeas corpeus. They have no respect for such things and should not be afforded the same. They want all of us converted to their radical Islamic religion, and then murdered as punishment for our past sins. How do you afford someone like that the same consideration? I for one do not believe we can and survive all of this.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:55 pm#185 Tooth Fairy,
I'll just say this one thing and then I have to leave to go watch the Mets with my wife. Just so you understand the problem many of us have, it's this: It appears that once you have been labeled an "enemy combatant", your right to go into court and say, "No, I'm not. They're wrong!" may very well have disappeared. You may get picked up and labeled as one by mistake. Did it ever occur to you that sometimes the government is wrong? Innocent people have been executed for crimes they didn't commit. Besides, if they legitimately have the right guy, what's wrong with giving him his day in court? Why should we automatically assume that anyone arrested is guilty?
You need not respond to me. I doubt that anything you have to say in support of your side would be either rational or accurate. You can waste your time if it makes you feel better. It won't matter to me. But do have a nice day.
GO METS!
October 17th, 2006 at 6:08 pm#185
October 17th, 2006 at 6:09 pm1. We should never trust the govt're always right.
2. We never give govt the power without reverse the right to control how they use it.
3. Torture is a tool of Communist and Fascist. If it was so effective, they could not lose.
4. We not try to win terrorist by more terror than them.
5. If we give up above things for security, we're not secure from the Govt at all. Benjamin Franklin Quote: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both".
Propaganda? If you want to talk about propaganda then look no further than the administratin itself. David Kuo's new book talks about it from the Faith-Based Initiatives Office and Faithful Democrats will be blogging about it all week long and exposing more hypocrisy from the White House. So check us out.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:14 pm#182 Bassturd
To be totally honest, I do not like any particular party or canidate…I dispise the majority of politicians and firmly believe that 90% of them just lie their way into office….But what I do find intriguing is the fact that the left is so intent on hating the right that they are almost blind to any wrong doings of their own party…It boggle the mind!
If you had any idea what the right has been pulling, you might be angry with them, too. Cunningham, DeLay, Abramoff, Safavian, Ney, Foley, and all the other resignations, indictments, convictions, etc. are just scratching the surface. There's still Burns, Harris, Pombo, Weldon, Doolittle, Hayworth, Goode, and on and on.
You may not think that Bush was planning to invade Iraq all along and that he was okay with using our troops, letting them get killed or maimed, for his own political purposes, but what if you found out he did? I served, too. I was in the Navy for six years. I served under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. Not one of them made me feel like my service was going to be taken for granted. None of them acted like the U.S. Armed Forces were there to use any time they wanted for anything they wanted to do. But, Bush and his cronies don't respect the troops and they don't respect their commitment. They use the troops like shit paper. And then they turn around and cut veterans' benefits.
I don't know how you can not be angry at them. I have to assume you just don't know what kind of crap they've been pulling.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:17 pmAmanda, the article you posted was based on a question from Bill which asked whether the “anti-Bush press†is responsible for the American public turning against the war. So it basically is stating that the PRESS is responsible for the percentage of American public that disapproves of Bush's handling.
Then your argument states:
Sixty-four percent of the American public now disapproves of Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq and said that these people are not “illogical†or victims of a propaganda campaign, but are responding to the facts.
First you change the subject.. Bill asked if the press is the reason why Americans are turning against the WAR in Iraq. Then you make it a question about how America approves/disapproves of Bush's handling.
Then you give one press article to try to back your claim up. The problem is that peoples perspectives are influenced by negative articles such as these, and no positive articles will ever be picked up by the slanted press as the original question and claim states. This bias will influence people in general to a negative opinion. If you keep criticizing your kids you will look at them negatively as will others.
Your response to the interview was weak.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:18 pmPaul -
Bill O asks the president if he thinks the press is responsible for turning the American people against the war, and Bush answers that he is disappointed that they would propagandize.
In the face of the polls that show the people of this country disagree with the way the president is handling the war, it is totally relevant to point out that it isn't the media that is at fault.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:34 pmShould they report that no troops were killed today?
Should they roll over and ask the administration how many troops should they report were killed today.
You completely miss the important role the Fourth Estate is supposed to play in our democracy.
Wow.
First you change the subject.. Bill asked if the press is the reason why Americans are turning against the WAR in Iraq.
Comment by Paul — October 17, 2006 @ 6:18 pm
I see you have a reading comprehension issue, and/or are unable to make logical inductions.
It goes like this: Can 64% of the people who disagree with Pres Bush's handling of the Iraq war be under the spell of the anti-Bush press?
Do those 64% hold a negative view of the war in Iraq solely because of the media? Really? Does that sound like a logical, reasonable claim to you?
This bias will influence people in general to a negative opinion.
So, you are trying to tell us that 64% of all Americans have a negative view not because of the realities of the war, but because of the media.
In other words, it is your opinion that the problem is one of perception, and you would change the message rather than the policy.
Tell us Paul, how would the message need to change to make the war palatable? Conceal the casualties, perhaps? Convey "good news" only?
October 17th, 2006 at 6:49 pmTrooth Fairy and others:
"I beleive that the terrorist suspects should be interrogated for information that may lead to the saving of American lives. While I do not believe permanent physical harm should be done to them, methods less physical should be used."
So what, are we talking aggressive tickling, or what? What about noogies? Wedgies? Maybe we can okay Wedgies? How about we take away their toilet paper (or bind their right hands) and just perform aggresive wedgie administration?
"You can not give these terrorist the same consideration you would give an American Citizen, with regards to habeas corpeus. They have no respect for such things and should not be afforded the same. They want all of us converted to their radical Islamic religion, and then murdered as punishment for our past sins. How do you afford someone like that the same consideration? I for one do not believe we can and survive all of this."
--- Why? . Such statements show little respect for "such things" if you are willing to strip them away from a stranger - enemy combatant or not. They are still human beings - even if completely musguided and homicidal. Look at the majority of the people committing these atrocities - young men with no hope or future following the insane idealogical ravings of madmen. Does that make them animals? No, you yourself might be the same given the same circumstances. You hate these people for trying to impose their culture on you -- which is exactly why they hate you.
"I for one do not believe we can and survive all of this."
--What good is survival if you have to stoop to their level to do so? We are Americans! We are supposed to be the good guys! Show some courage! Just because you're afraid doesn't mean you can strip human beings of their civil rights! The culture of fear is propagated by those in power who try and use it to control us.
I'm not afraid of fundamentalist Islam. Fill their stomachs, give them shelter, and stop trying to dictate their civil affairs for the benefit of foreign governments and you'll see some swords being beat into plowshares. You and I aren't trying to kill each other on the streets because our basic needs are being met and we have hope for the future. But I guarantee, if you take away our hope, if you take away the constitutional protections of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, in the guise of increasing security, you'll have a whole lot of violence going on in this country and it won't be by a bunch of Arabs halfway around the world. It'll be your friends and neighbors and yourself if you are pushed far enough. It's just human nature. Disenfranchisement breeds despair and contempt and violence.
Words to live by:
Fear your God (note: not other people)
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Thou shalt not lie.
Judge not lest you be judged.
and maybe a little trite:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
-Some Lib
October 17th, 2006 at 7:39 pmIt's so frightenly funny how these to Psychopaths actually tell you the truth about what is going on, but then denounce it.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:27 pm"Sixty-four percent of the American public now disapproves of Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq. These people are not “illogical†or victims of a propaganda campaign, but are responding to the facts."
That's really it, isn't it! These little termite brains that Bush has and ORielly have, can not comprehend. They can't comprehend that people are smarter and are reacting to the real world, but to them we are all victims of propaganda? Propaganda?...It goes back to the old Republican claim that the media is some kind of lie machine a grand conspiracy only against them. When it is in fact reality!
October 17th, 2006 at 8:32 pm2 of the biggest ass ripping turds on the planet.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:35 pmThey'll never get the smell of sulphur out of THAT room!
Bush signs torture bill; Americans lose essential freedom. October 17, 2006
George W. Bush got what he wanted, ostensibly as a tool in his unfocused "war on terror": By signing into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Bush has made it legal for the C.I.A. to continue operating torture facilities in undisclosed, foreign countries, and for the writ of habeas corpus to be suspended for individuals who are designated "enemy combatants" against the U.S. (Designated by whom? That question remains unanswered.) The law also "establishes military tribunals that would allow some use of evidence obtained by coercion [that is, torture], but would give defendants access to classified evidence being used to convict them." (Reuters)
The provisions of Bush's new torture law mean that Americans have lost the key, constitutional right on which Anglo-American criminal law (and criminal-law procedures in true democracies in general) is founded; that's the basic right of an individual to know why he or she is being apprehended and detained. Now, technically, as in Stalin's Soviet Union, Hitler's Germany, Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia, anyone labeled an "enemy combatant" - again, by whom; by Bush? - can be whisked away and never heard from again. That kind of authority, in the hands of corrupt or untruthful politicians, may or may not be an effective tool in some kind of "war on terror," but it certainly can be a useful tool when it comes to silencing their opponents.
In an Orwellian pronouncement dutifully reported by Voice of America, the taxpayer-funded "news" service that acts as a mouthpiece for the administration, Bush said: "The United States does not torture....It is against our laws and it is against our values. By allowing the C.I.A. program to go forward, this bill is preserving a tool that has saved American lives." Bush's claim flies in the face of numerous reports of torture conducted by American officials at U.S. military prisons or secret locations overseas.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:42 pm[...] Check out this post and story from the good folks at Think Progress.org: [...]
October 17th, 2006 at 9:32 pmhttp://www.miserywatch.com/2006/10/its_bad_out_the.html
round up of editorials from countries allied with the u.s. war on terror -- opinions are strongly against bush and iraq
October 18th, 2006 at 1:03 amNew "Joseph Goebbels"?
October 18th, 2006 at 2:29 amIs this the same Bill O Reilly who told us before the invasion that if they didnt find WMDs the Bush administration would have no credibility with him thereafter? God these elephants have short memories!!
October 18th, 2006 at 10:19 am#171
Hysterical much?
October 18th, 2006 at 10:33 am#202--
So being angry that our government has done things that are either unethical, unlawful, and UnAmerican makes me "hysterical" ... ?
I'm pretty sure that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Maybe you could show me where I was wrong on any of those points.
October 18th, 2006 at 12:05 pmhttp://www.belowgroundsurface.org
http://www.911truth.net
http://www.st911.org
Bush and the banker-controlled war-profiteering mass media only have to read about what had been planned on 9/11 to understand the meaning of the word: "Propagandise".
October 18th, 2006 at 12:08 pmhttp://www.belowgroundsurface.org
http://www.st911.org
October 18th, 2006 at 12:09 pmhmmm…wishing physical harm to another human being. I guess that’s just another leftist trait…If you don’t agree…They wish to kill you!!
Bassturd out!!!
Comment by Bassturd — October 17, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
Amazing Bassturd - where do you get your information and your definitions? Even if you watch Faux News you would hear Reichwingers calling for the assassination of political leaders. Ann Coulter and Pat Robertson are just TWO repukelicans, who have called for the assassination of U.S. Congressmen (Democrats) and foreign leaders!! And to even make that remark while a Republican administration took us to war in Iraq where other human beings are being killed is more evidence of your stupidity and lack of education and logical reasoning.
AND, if you think your blogs are not "spewing hatred", you are seriously mentally ill and need to get back on your meds.
October 18th, 2006 at 12:41 pmthe sad thing about the bill is that it even includes US CITIZENS. he has already stated ' if you not with us your against us'. this should scare the shit out of the 300,000,000 americans. it will be a cold day in hell if someone wants to tell me what to think. the weapon of mass fear is not going to deter me in screaming aloud about this criminal, zionist owned, nazi ran, fascist america.
October 18th, 2006 at 12:54 pmyes, I agree with the comments being made. but your all missing the point. The plan is set in motion and it does not matter who you vote for Rep or Dem they are both the same except the Rep's will screw you over faster.
Good luck and may God watch over all of us.
friend from Canada
October 18th, 2006 at 1:18 pmAre we going to see a Christian Government?
October 18th, 2006 at 1:58 pmListen people. The Canadian is right. Dont you see whats happening on front of your very eyes. The Republicans and the Democrats are the same. America is no longer free. Anyone can be taken as a non combatant terrorist now. Taken away with no trial and locked up forever. If you criticise your government you can been seen as a terrorist or a terrorist appeaser. You should have been all protesting against the bill he signed today. Bush has become a dictator. He hasnt upheld the constitution that he swore he would. He shedded it and changed it because he wanted too... And no one.... i mean no one objected. America is no longer free. God help America!
October 18th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThat is the fattest, slow-pitch, 16-inch softball question ever.
October 18th, 2006 at 3:50 pmno spin-zone?
October 18th, 2006 at 8:48 pm[...] However, Bush would have the world believe that it is us, the war critics that are “Propagandizing,” and “engaging In “Illogical Behavior”. Likewise for the rest of his cronies who still go around telling everyone that being in Baghdad is “like being in Manhattan.†[...]
October 18th, 2006 at 10:00 pmChronic Big Brother mirrorspeak!
October 19th, 2006 at 5:47 amDebate is good! but only to a certain extent. there must come a time when actions speak louder than words. Where do you stand? Do you stand for JUSTICE and FREEDOM? or TYRANY and OPPRESSION? In the last century we narrowlly escaped tyrany now once again the cards have been dealt and the game is upon us. Its time to act, to organise and band together not just America but the whole world. If we are on the verge of a New World Order! What kind of society do you really want? I tell you you must decide and decide quickly for time is short and and we to show the powers that be that we will not go without a fight!
REMEMBER THE BOSTON TEA PARTY! WELL THAT TIME HAS COME FOR US ALL!
Friend from Canada
October 19th, 2006 at 8:29 amP.S. Not by the sword shall we win this fight but through reason and unity can we cast these shackles that have been placed upon us. It maybe time to cast out these two parties and start a new party. One the truly stands for "For the People, by the People". Then again only time will tell. Not until everyone realizes that money wont' solve everything! If it did we wouldn’t have a family that owns 55% of the world wealth which is over $300 trillion. Who just happens to have a stake in the Federal Reserve. Who just happens to have a stake in every market on this planet.
October 19th, 2006 at 11:26 amLike I say "It doesn’t matter if your American or any other Nationality they have us all by the B***s. TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW!
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