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		<title>By: Think Progress &#187; Lieberman: Talking To Iran And Syria Is Like The &#8216;Local Fire Dept Asking Arsonists To Help&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Progress &#187; Lieberman: Talking To Iran And Syria Is Like The &#8216;Local Fire Dept Asking Arsonists To Help&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) pointed out moments later, Lieberman is missing the point. Iran and Syria will &#8220;respond in their own self-interest,&#8221; Hagel noted, pointing to Iran&#8217;s efforts to aid U.S. goals in Afghanistan in 2002. U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair and former Secretaries of State Colin Powell and James Baker have all criticized the Bush administration&#8217;s unwillingness to talk with Iran and Syria, and the Iraq Study Group&#8217;s proposal next week will likely recommend direct talks with Iran and Syria. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) pointed out moments later, Lieberman is missing the point. Iran and Syria will &#8220;respond in their own self-interest,&#8221; Hagel noted, pointing to Iran&#8217;s efforts to aid U.S. goals in Afghanistan in 2002. U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair and former Secretaries of State Colin Powell and James Baker have all criticized the Bush administration&#8217;s unwillingness to talk with Iran and Syria, and the Iraq Study Group&#8217;s proposal next week will likely recommend direct talks with Iran and Syria. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1219521', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EveryDigg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush Loyalist James Baker Calls Iraq &#8216;A Helluva Mess&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>EveryDigg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush Loyalist James Baker Calls Iraq &#8216;A Helluva Mess&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Former Secretary of State James Baker, one of the most ardent Bush family loyalists, is heading up a commission to review our policy in Iraq. According to the BBC, Baker was &#8220;visibly upset&#8221; during a recent visit to Iraq, calling the country &#8220;a helluva mess.&#8221; Watch the BBC report:read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story  Links [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Former Secretary of State James Baker, one of the most ardent Bush family loyalists, is heading up a commission to review our policy in Iraq. According to the BBC, Baker was &ldquo;visibly upset&rdquo; during a recent visit to Iraq, calling the country &ldquo;a helluva mess.&rdquo; Watch the BBC report:read more&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg story  Links [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1007520', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle_Ho</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goooooooooooooooood Morning Walt the Man.</description>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#66 - Uncle Ho,
Seemy post #19.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#66 &#8211; Uncle Ho,<br />
Seemy post #19.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1005575', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle_Ho</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush will now declare Baker to be &quot;an enemy combatant and be thrown into a secret CIA prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush will now declare Baker to be &#8220;an enemy combatant and be thrown into a secret CIA prison.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1004350', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: craig+johnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;BAKER FLUMMOXES HANNITY: RIPS BUSH FOREIGN POLICY&lt;/strong&gt;
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Oct. 5, 2006, FOX NEWS, Hannity &amp; Colmes, 9:00 PM EST
Baker Video Part II 

James Baker, the globally accomplished diplomat and former GOP Secretary of State totally flummoxed the cartoonish GOP bagman, Sean Hannity.

Point blank, Baker said that given the choice between waging a war or a foreign policy solely restricted to establishing a new democracy in the Mid-east or alternatively pursuing policies of stabilizing the region, policies of stabilization were preferable.

Hannity tried to parry this heretical bashing of Bush&#039;s core foreign policy talking point with the usual GOP gobbledygook propaganda such as &quot;this is &quot;World War III&quot; and &quot;this is a fight against Islamo Fascists.&quot; Baker seemed uninterested in Sean&#039;s offer of GOP red meat talking points and he continued.

Paraphrased as best I can, Baker said, &quot;Given the choice between engaging America&#039;s forces based on a principle (i.e. &#039;democracy&#039;) or based on establishing stability, stability is, all things considered, the superior objective.

Not yet finished shredding the inept Bush, Rice, Cheney foreign policy, Baker continued by basically saying that engaging in talks with America&#039;s enemies is not appeasement and not engaging in talks is sophomoric (my words). He recounted that he personally visited Syria fifteen times and on his next visit Syria abandoned their twenty-year-old policy towards Israel and agreed to sit with Israel in negotiations, de facto recognizing their existence.

This was political theater of the highest order which everyone should have the opportunity to see and hear.  Not only was Hannity beautifully sandbagged, in my opinion, but Bush 41&#039; had to know that his son was going to get this political ass whumping.

This is an important message. It is the old guard of Bush 41&#039; and Reagan trashing 43&#039;s leadership and foreign policy. Hopefully this clear message will help America return to some semblance of values, competence, professionalism and honesty in its foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>BAKER FLUMMOXES HANNITY: RIPS BUSH FOREIGN POLICY</strong><br />
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Oct. 5, 2006, FOX NEWS, Hannity &amp; Colmes, 9:00 PM EST<br />
Baker Video Part II </p>
<p>James Baker, the globally accomplished diplomat and former GOP Secretary of State totally flummoxed the cartoonish GOP bagman, Sean Hannity.</p>
<p>Point blank, Baker said that given the choice between waging a war or a foreign policy solely restricted to establishing a new democracy in the Mid-east or alternatively pursuing policies of stabilizing the region, policies of stabilization were preferable.</p>
<p>Hannity tried to parry this heretical bashing of Bush&#8217;s core foreign policy talking point with the usual GOP gobbledygook propaganda such as &#8220;this is &#8220;World War III&#8221; and &#8220;this is a fight against Islamo Fascists.&#8221; Baker seemed uninterested in Sean&#8217;s offer of GOP red meat talking points and he continued.</p>
<p>Paraphrased as best I can, Baker said, &#8220;Given the choice between engaging America&#8217;s forces based on a principle (i.e. &#8216;democracy&#8217;) or based on establishing stability, stability is, all things considered, the superior objective.</p>
<p>Not yet finished shredding the inept Bush, Rice, Cheney foreign policy, Baker continued by basically saying that engaging in talks with America&#8217;s enemies is not appeasement and not engaging in talks is sophomoric (my words). He recounted that he personally visited Syria fifteen times and on his next visit Syria abandoned their twenty-year-old policy towards Israel and agreed to sit with Israel in negotiations, de facto recognizing their existence.</p>
<p>This was political theater of the highest order which everyone should have the opportunity to see and hear.  Not only was Hannity beautifully sandbagged, in my opinion, but Bush 41&#8242; had to know that his son was going to get this political ass whumping.</p>
<p>This is an important message. It is the old guard of Bush 41&#8242; and Reagan trashing 43&#8217;s leadership and foreign policy. Hopefully this clear message will help America return to some semblance of values, competence, professionalism and honesty in its foreign policy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1004306', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: brainrow :: It&#8217;s All Relative</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/baker-helluva-mess/comment-page-2/#comment-1003993</link>
		<dc:creator>brainrow :: It&#8217;s All Relative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brownie does a &#8220;heckuva job,&#8221; and Bushie leaves &#8220;a helluva mess&#8220;:  Former Secretary of State James Baker, one of the most ardent Bush family loyalists, is heading up a commission to review our policy in Iraq. According to the BBC, Baker was &#8220;visibly upset&#8221; during a recent visit to Iraq, calling the country &#8220;a helluva mess.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nova16</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot the burgeoning trade deficit which is now the greatest detrimental factor  facing this economy.  Foreign businesses and companies are reaping the benefits of their exports and increasing their holdings in dollars at the expense of the American economy.  Add to this the unstable energy situation and the ultimate price of gasoline and heating oil, then the problem is compounded.  Don&#039;t forget the illegal alien problem and the impact on the labor market and wages in the US.  The stock market has not begun to reflect the myriad of problems this economy faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot the burgeoning trade deficit which is now the greatest detrimental factor  facing this economy.  Foreign businesses and companies are reaping the benefits of their exports and increasing their holdings in dollars at the expense of the American economy.  Add to this the unstable energy situation and the ultimate price of gasoline and heating oil, then the problem is compounded.  Don&#8217;t forget the illegal alien problem and the impact on the labor market and wages in the US.  The stock market has not begun to reflect the myriad of problems this economy faces.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003878', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Nova16</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/baker-helluva-mess/comment-page-2/#comment-1003710</link>
		<dc:creator>Nova16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the market is doing fine--Halliburton went up from 6 to around 82 in about a year.  The military industrial complex stocks are doing well and anyone investing in overseas companies is doing well--that&#039;s where the future lies.  The Stock market does not necessarily reflect the status of the economy as everyone knows--it reflects the confidence of investors to buy into it.  With the loss of manufacturing jobs, pensions, galactic national debt, current account deficits, stagnant and falling wages, GM and Ford in the tank, heavy borrowing from China, Japan etc., housing market on the decline, heavy abuse of credit cards with Americans owing astronomical amounts to banks, utilizing home equity loans to pay for living expense, social security in deep trouble as well as health care costs, outsourcing of jobs and over $330,000,000,000 billion squandered in Iraq with no end in sight and don&#039;t forget Katrina costs that remain to be paid, this economy is headed for disaster.  Always remember and never forget the prosperity decade before the crash in 1929.  This economy is on shaky ground and the dolt has 2 more years to continue his mischief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the market is doing fine&#8211;Halliburton went up from 6 to around 82 in about a year.  The military industrial complex stocks are doing well and anyone investing in overseas companies is doing well&#8211;that&#8217;s where the future lies.  The Stock market does not necessarily reflect the status of the economy as everyone knows&#8211;it reflects the confidence of investors to buy into it.  With the loss of manufacturing jobs, pensions, galactic national debt, current account deficits, stagnant and falling wages, GM and Ford in the tank, heavy borrowing from China, Japan etc., housing market on the decline, heavy abuse of credit cards with Americans owing astronomical amounts to banks, utilizing home equity loans to pay for living expense, social security in deep trouble as well as health care costs, outsourcing of jobs and over $330,000,000,000 billion squandered in Iraq with no end in sight and don&#8217;t forget Katrina costs that remain to be paid, this economy is headed for disaster.  Always remember and never forget the prosperity decade before the crash in 1929.  This economy is on shaky ground and the dolt has 2 more years to continue his mischief.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003710', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike&#8217;s Blog - I Hate Bush! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush Loyalist James Baker Calls Iraq â€˜A Helluva Messâ€™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike&#8217;s Blog - I Hate Bush! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush Loyalist James Baker Calls Iraq â€˜A Helluva Messâ€™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chimpeach</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimpeach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#57 Marie

I had a feeling that things would get so bad that they&#039;d finally have to let Uncle Jim come in to offer some assistance. But, I guarantee you that there&#039;s no way they&#039;ll let him look under the hood. As a &#039;matter of national security&#039;, they&#039;re not going to let him know any of their secrets, either. He&#039;ll give his recommendations. Bush&#039;ll say &quot;Great. Fine. Nice havin&#039; ya over. Bye.&quot; and shove him out the door.

Snowjob: &quot;The former Secretary of State had a lot of interesting recommendations that he passed on to the president and I assure you that the president and his staff will be looking them over carefully over the coming weeks.&quot;

End of story. I&#039;ve heard this one too many times before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#57 Marie</p>
<p>I had a feeling that things would get so bad that they&#8217;d finally have to let Uncle Jim come in to offer some assistance. But, I guarantee you that there&#8217;s no way they&#8217;ll let him look under the hood. As a &#8216;matter of national security&#8217;, they&#8217;re not going to let him know any of their secrets, either. He&#8217;ll give his recommendations. Bush&#8217;ll say &#8220;Great. Fine. Nice havin&#8217; ya over. Bye.&#8221; and shove him out the door.</p>
<p>Snowjob: &#8220;The former Secretary of State had a lot of interesting recommendations that he passed on to the president and I assure you that the president and his staff will be looking them over carefully over the coming weeks.&#8221;</p>
<p>End of story. I&#8217;ve heard this one too many times before.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003482', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Walter F. Wouk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter F. Wouk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There&#039;s nothing more terrifying than ignorance in action.&quot; -- von Goethe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s nothing more terrifying than ignorance in action.&#8221; &#8212; von Goethe<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003458', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chimpeach</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimpeach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heywood+Jabloyurself

Those who can afford to play the stock market or who have a lot invested in 401Ks are doing fine. You probably weren&#039;t aware that there are others out there who can&#039;t even afford health insurance premiums, let alone retirement plans or investments. You&#039;ve probably seen them, though. They&#039;re the ones who got laid off from an engineering job when the company they used to work for decided to outsource offshore and score some big tax breaks. They&#039;re now waiting on you when you shop at your favorite corporate welfare queen, WalMart. They don&#039;t show up as unemployed anymore, because, technically, they are employed. At any rate, it&#039;s hard for them to see the economy improving. Fromt their vantage point, it&#039;s not. Don&#039;t worry, though. They won&#039;t be voting for Democrats next month. They can&#039;t afford to take the time off to go stand in line for 10 hours on election day (if they&#039;ve got a Republican secretary of state). They need every last cent to cover their rent. And if they get sick, they&#039;re screwed.</description>
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<p>Those who can afford to play the stock market or who have a lot invested in 401Ks are doing fine. You probably weren&#8217;t aware that there are others out there who can&#8217;t even afford health insurance premiums, let alone retirement plans or investments. You&#8217;ve probably seen them, though. They&#8217;re the ones who got laid off from an engineering job when the company they used to work for decided to outsource offshore and score some big tax breaks. They&#8217;re now waiting on you when you shop at your favorite corporate welfare queen, WalMart. They don&#8217;t show up as unemployed anymore, because, technically, they are employed. At any rate, it&#8217;s hard for them to see the economy improving. Fromt their vantage point, it&#8217;s not. Don&#8217;t worry, though. They won&#8217;t be voting for Democrats next month. They can&#8217;t afford to take the time off to go stand in line for 10 hours on election day (if they&#8217;ve got a Republican secretary of state). They need every last cent to cover their rent. And if they get sick, they&#8217;re screwed.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003456', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/baker-helluva-mess/comment-page-2/#comment-1003450</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chimpeach - have you seen their daily planner in advance?  You sure are familiar with the drill.
Baker may or may not provide a change of course but remember that Baker helped install Bush in the first place, is a member of the Carlyle group, and whatever skills he may have diplomatically, he has been part of the problem.
I hope he does make Jr. change his course, but look at the fine print if it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chimpeach &#8211; have you seen their daily planner in advance?  You sure are familiar with the drill.<br />
Baker may or may not provide a change of course but remember that Baker helped install Bush in the first place, is a member of the Carlyle group, and whatever skills he may have diplomatically, he has been part of the problem.<br />
I hope he does make Jr. change his course, but look at the fine print if it happens.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003450', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47, my calculator doesn&#039;t go that high, but I think the national debt correlates to a &quot;birth&quot; tax of something like $30,000.  So for just being alive in the US, you owe $30,000 for Bush&#039;s &quot;economic&quot; &lt;em&gt;strategery&lt;/em&gt;.

The Dow may be doing nicely for the well-to-do (the Bush crowd of the &quot;haves and the have mores&quot;) while the rest of America is watching the parade to the bank by the rich guys.  The working class of the country have no savings, little or no health care, no job security, and a bleak future for their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#47, my calculator doesn&#8217;t go that high, but I think the national debt correlates to a &#8220;birth&#8221; tax of something like $30,000.  So for just being alive in the US, you owe $30,000 for Bush&#8217;s &#8220;economic&#8221; <em>strategery</em>.</p>
<p>The Dow may be doing nicely for the well-to-do (the Bush crowd of the &#8220;haves and the have mores&#8221;) while the rest of America is watching the parade to the bank by the rich guys.  The working class of the country have no savings, little or no health care, no job security, and a bleak future for their children.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003441', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chimpeach</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimpeach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#34 RealScientist

&lt;em&gt;Junior wonâ€™t take it like a man because he is a cruel little mommaâ€™s boy. Trust me, this punk will pointedly reject the commissions recommendations. Just look at his extreme intransigence over dumping Rumsfeld.&lt;/em&gt;

It should probably go like this: Baker announces that the Iraq war is a complete and utter botch job from beginning to end, and that drastic measures are required if we&#039;re to have any hope of salvaging the Middle East, if not the entire world. Then Snowjob is asked about it at a press briefing and he finds bold new ways to mutilate the English language so he can point out that Baker said that they&#039;re doing everything right and have been all along, no changes necessary. The next day, after Baker attends a meeting in the White House, he publicly retracts everything he said, claiming he was quoted out of context. Apparently, Rove, Cheney, and Gonzales are instrumental in helping Baker reword his assessment of Bush&#039;s conduct of the war. Draw your own conclusions about the form of leverage they might apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34 RealScientist</p>
<p><em>Junior wonâ€™t take it like a man because he is a cruel little mommaâ€™s boy. Trust me, this punk will pointedly reject the commissions recommendations. Just look at his extreme intransigence over dumping Rumsfeld.</em></p>
<p>It should probably go like this: Baker announces that the Iraq war is a complete and utter botch job from beginning to end, and that drastic measures are required if we&#8217;re to have any hope of salvaging the Middle East, if not the entire world. Then Snowjob is asked about it at a press briefing and he finds bold new ways to mutilate the English language so he can point out that Baker said that they&#8217;re doing everything right and have been all along, no changes necessary. The next day, after Baker attends a meeting in the White House, he publicly retracts everything he said, claiming he was quoted out of context. Apparently, Rove, Cheney, and Gonzales are instrumental in helping Baker reword his assessment of Bush&#8217;s conduct of the war. Draw your own conclusions about the form of leverage they might apply.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1003426', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Why+are+there+so+many+pedophile+republicans?</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/baker-helluva-mess/comment-page-2/#comment-1003416</link>
		<dc:creator>Why+are+there+so+many+pedophile+republicans?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isnâ€™t there more about HR6166? Bush just signed into law the right for him to determine if the people of this blog are enemy combatents and would be thrown into prison with no due process â€œhabius Corpusâ€ was just signed away. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What the hell? Is everybody asleep? &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isnâ€™t there more about HR6166? Bush just signed into law the right for him to determine if the people of this blog are enemy combatents and would be thrown into prison with no due process â€œhabius Corpusâ€ was just signed away. </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>What the hell? Is everybody asleep? </strong></p></blockquote>
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