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		<title>By: Charlie Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA DCA/BAR Smog Check does not find if the fail fault is repaired.

A Quality audit can cut 50% of car impact in a year (2007)

Charlie Peters
(510) 537-1796
Clean Air Performance Professionals</description>
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<p>A Quality audit can cut 50% of car impact in a year (2007)</p>
<p>Charlie Peters<br />
(510) 537-1796<br />
Clean Air Performance Professionals<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1370637', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Prop.87/AB32 team is in S. America?

Category
 Participants List
 Confirmed
 
STATE GOVERNMENT - ADMINISTRATION
 Linda S. Adams, Secretary for Environmental Protection, Cal/EPA
  
 
 
 Mike Chrisman, Secretary, Resources Agency
  
 
 
 Susan P. Kennedy, Chief of Staff, Office of the Governor
  
 
 
 Brian C. Prusnek, Deputy Cabinet Secretary, Energy and Resources, Office of the Governor
  
 
 
 Dan Skopec, Undersecretary, California Environmental Protection Agency
  
 
 
 Catherine Witherspoon, Executive Officer, Air Resources Board
  
 
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
 Jackalyne Pfannenstiel, Vice Chair
  
 
CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE
 Don Perata, President pro Tempore
  
 
 
 Sam Aanestad
  
 
 
 Wes Chesbro
  
 
 
 Dave Cox
  
 
 
 Christine Kehoe
  
 
 
 Sheila James Kuehl
  
 
 
 Alan Lowenthal
  
 
 
 Mike Machado
  
 
 
 Bob Margett
  
 
 
 George C. Runner, Jr.
  
 
 
 Joe Simitian
  
 
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSEMBLY
 Fabian Nunez, Speaker of the Assembly
  
 
 
 Bill Emmerson
  
 
 
 Loni Hancock
  
 
 
 John Laird
  
 
 
 Lloyd E. Levine
  
 
 
 Ted W. Lieu
  
 
 
 Nicole Parra
  
 
 
 Fran Pavley
  
 
 
 Sharon Runner
  
 
 
 Alberto Torrico
  
 
WESTERN STATES
 Sarah Cottrell, Energy and Environment Advisor, State of New Mexico
  
 
 
 Steve Ellenbecker, Energy Policy Advisor, Governor Freudenthal, Wyoming
  
 
 
 Lori Faeth, Policy Advisor, Natural Resources &amp; Environment, Office of the Governor, Arizona
  
 
 
 Rich Halvey, Project Manager - Air Quality, Mexico, Western Governors&#039; Association
  
 
 
 Ned Farquhar, Chief Policy Advisor, Office of the Governor, Montana
  
 
 
 Pam Inmann, Executive Director, Western Governors&#039; Association
  
 
 
 Laura S. Nelson, Energy Policy Advisor, Office of the Governor, Utah
  
 
BUSINESS/INDUSTRY
 Paul J. Allen, Senior Vice President, Corporate Affairs, Constellation Energy Group
  
 
 
 Beth A. Bowman, Senior Vice President, Shell Trading Gas &amp; Power
  
 
 
 John J. Coffey, General Manager, U.S. State &amp; Local Relations, Chevron Corporation
  
 
 
 Scott Farris, Director, Government Relations, TransCanada Corporation
  
 
 
 Thomas E. Giles, President &amp; CEO, Sound Energy Solutions
  
 
 
 Randy Hickok, Vice President of California Assets, Duke Energy North America
  
 
 
 Steve Hoffmann, President, Western Region, NRG Energy, Inc.
  
 
 
 Frederick E. John, Energy Consultant
  
 
 
 William Keese, Energy Consultant
  
 
 
 Renee Klimczak, President, BHP Billiton LNG International, Inc.
  
 
 
 Robert L. Mitchell, Managing Director, Trans-Elect, Inc.
  
 
 
 Peter C. Montgomery, Director, California Government Affairs, BP America, Inc.
  
 
 
 Stephanie Newell, Vice President, State Affairs, Reliant Energy
  
 
 
 Billy Owens, Vice President West Coast Development, NorthernStar Natural Gas / Clearwater Port
  
 
 
 Dan Richard, Consultant
  
 
 
 J. Timothy Romer, Managing Director, Municipal Finance Dept., Goldman, Sachs &amp; Co.
  
 
 
 Joseph E. Ronan, Senior Vice President, Govt. &amp; Regulatory Affairs, Calpine Corporation
  
 
 
 Jeff Russell, President, Mirant California, LLC
  
 
 
 Jan Smutny-Jones, Executive Director, Independent Energy Producers Association
  
 
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES
 Bill D. Carnahan, Executive Director, Southern California Public Power Authority
  
 
 
 Ronald Deaton, General Manager, Los Angeles Department of Water &amp; Power
  
 
 
 Gerald Jordan, Executive Director, California Municipal Utilities Association
  
 
 
 James H. Pope, General Manager, Northern California Power Agency
  
 
UTILITIES
 Thomas E. Bottorff, Senior V.P., Customer Service &amp; Revenue, Pacific Gas &amp; Electric Company
  
 
 
 Alan J. Fohrer, Chief Executive Officer, Southern California Edison Company
  
 
 
 Thomas S. Sayles, Vice President, Governmental &amp; Community Affairs, Sempra Energy
  
 
ENVIRONMENTAL
 Sheryl Carter, Director, Western Energy Programs, Natural Resources Defense Council
  
 
 
 Thomas Graff, Regional Director, Environmental Defense
  
 
 
 Stephen P. Johnson, Director of Strategic Initiatives, The Nature Conservancy
  
 
 
 Jason Mark, Program Director, Union of Concerned Scientists
  
 
 
 Diane Wittenberg, President, California Climate Action Registry
  
 
LABOR
 Robert L. Balgenorth, President, State Building &amp; Construc. Trades Council
  
 
 
 Timothy T. Cremins, Director of Educ. &amp; Research, Calif.-Nev. Conf. of Operating Engineers
  
 
 
 Daniel M. Curtin, Director, California Conference of Carpenters
  
 
 
 Brian D&#039;Arcy, Business Manager/Financial Secretary, I.B.E.W. Local Union 18
  
 
 
 Thomas M. Dalzell, Business Manager/Financial Secretary, I.B.E.W. Local Union 1245, AFL-CIO
  
 
 
 Jose Mejia, Director, Laborers State Council - Legislative Dept.
  
 
CALIFORNIA FOUNDATION ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY
 Patrick Johnston, Chair
  
 
 
 Patrick F. Mason, President
 *
 
 
 TBA, C.C.E.E.B.
  
 
 
 Beth E. Vaughan, Consultant
 *
 
 
 Celeste Cremen, Conference Coordinator
 *
 
OBSERVERS 
 Kip Lipper, Consultant, Policy Unit, Office of the Senate pro Tempore
  
 
 
 Mary Lynch, Vice President, Regulatory &amp; Legis. Affairs, Constellation Energy Commodities Group
  
 
 
 Nancy E. Ryan, Energy Advisor to President Peevey
  
 

CFEE

 CALIFORNIA FOUNDATION  ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY

Conference on Implementation of AB32 - The California Greenhouse Gas Initiative</description>
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<p>Category<br />
 Participants List<br />
 Confirmed</p>
<p>STATE GOVERNMENT &#8211; ADMINISTRATION<br />
 Linda S. Adams, Secretary for Environmental Protection, Cal/EPA</p>
<p> Mike Chrisman, Secretary, Resources Agency</p>
<p> Susan P. Kennedy, Chief of Staff, Office of the Governor</p>
<p> Brian C. Prusnek, Deputy Cabinet Secretary, Energy and Resources, Office of the Governor</p>
<p> Dan Skopec, Undersecretary, California Environmental Protection Agency</p>
<p> Catherine Witherspoon, Executive Officer, Air Resources Board</p>
<p>CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION<br />
 Jackalyne Pfannenstiel, Vice Chair</p>
<p>CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE<br />
 Don Perata, President pro Tempore</p>
<p> Sam Aanestad</p>
<p> Wes Chesbro</p>
<p> Dave Cox</p>
<p> Christine Kehoe</p>
<p> Sheila James Kuehl</p>
<p> Alan Lowenthal</p>
<p> Mike Machado</p>
<p> Bob Margett</p>
<p> George C. Runner, Jr.</p>
<p> Joe Simitian</p>
<p>CALIFORNIA STATE ASSEMBLY<br />
 Fabian Nunez, Speaker of the Assembly</p>
<p> Bill Emmerson</p>
<p> Loni Hancock</p>
<p> John Laird</p>
<p> Lloyd E. Levine</p>
<p> Ted W. Lieu</p>
<p> Nicole Parra</p>
<p> Fran Pavley</p>
<p> Sharon Runner</p>
<p> Alberto Torrico</p>
<p>WESTERN STATES<br />
 Sarah Cottrell, Energy and Environment Advisor, State of New Mexico</p>
<p> Steve Ellenbecker, Energy Policy Advisor, Governor Freudenthal, Wyoming</p>
<p> Lori Faeth, Policy Advisor, Natural Resources &amp; Environment, Office of the Governor, Arizona</p>
<p> Rich Halvey, Project Manager &#8211; Air Quality, Mexico, Western Governors&#8217; Association</p>
<p> Ned Farquhar, Chief Policy Advisor, Office of the Governor, Montana</p>
<p> Pam Inmann, Executive Director, Western Governors&#8217; Association</p>
<p> Laura S. Nelson, Energy Policy Advisor, Office of the Governor, Utah</p>
<p>BUSINESS/INDUSTRY<br />
 Paul J. Allen, Senior Vice President, Corporate Affairs, Constellation Energy Group</p>
<p> Beth A. Bowman, Senior Vice President, Shell Trading Gas &amp; Power</p>
<p> John J. Coffey, General Manager, U.S. State &amp; Local Relations, Chevron Corporation</p>
<p> Scott Farris, Director, Government Relations, TransCanada Corporation</p>
<p> Thomas E. Giles, President &amp; CEO, Sound Energy Solutions</p>
<p> Randy Hickok, Vice President of California Assets, Duke Energy North America</p>
<p> Steve Hoffmann, President, Western Region, NRG Energy, Inc.</p>
<p> Frederick E. John, Energy Consultant</p>
<p> William Keese, Energy Consultant</p>
<p> Renee Klimczak, President, BHP Billiton LNG International, Inc.</p>
<p> Robert L. Mitchell, Managing Director, Trans-Elect, Inc.</p>
<p> Peter C. Montgomery, Director, California Government Affairs, BP America, Inc.</p>
<p> Stephanie Newell, Vice President, State Affairs, Reliant Energy</p>
<p> Billy Owens, Vice President West Coast Development, NorthernStar Natural Gas / Clearwater Port</p>
<p> Dan Richard, Consultant</p>
<p> J. Timothy Romer, Managing Director, Municipal Finance Dept., Goldman, Sachs &amp; Co.</p>
<p> Joseph E. Ronan, Senior Vice President, Govt. &amp; Regulatory Affairs, Calpine Corporation</p>
<p> Jeff Russell, President, Mirant California, LLC</p>
<p> Jan Smutny-Jones, Executive Director, Independent Energy Producers Association</p>
<p>MUNICIPAL UTILITIES<br />
 Bill D. Carnahan, Executive Director, Southern California Public Power Authority</p>
<p> Ronald Deaton, General Manager, Los Angeles Department of Water &amp; Power</p>
<p> Gerald Jordan, Executive Director, California Municipal Utilities Association</p>
<p> James H. Pope, General Manager, Northern California Power Agency</p>
<p>UTILITIES<br />
 Thomas E. Bottorff, Senior V.P., Customer Service &amp; Revenue, Pacific Gas &amp; Electric Company</p>
<p> Alan J. Fohrer, Chief Executive Officer, Southern California Edison Company</p>
<p> Thomas S. Sayles, Vice President, Governmental &amp; Community Affairs, Sempra Energy</p>
<p>ENVIRONMENTAL<br />
 Sheryl Carter, Director, Western Energy Programs, Natural Resources Defense Council</p>
<p> Thomas Graff, Regional Director, Environmental Defense</p>
<p> Stephen P. Johnson, Director of Strategic Initiatives, The Nature Conservancy</p>
<p> Jason Mark, Program Director, Union of Concerned Scientists</p>
<p> Diane Wittenberg, President, California Climate Action Registry</p>
<p>LABOR<br />
 Robert L. Balgenorth, President, State Building &amp; Construc. Trades Council</p>
<p> Timothy T. Cremins, Director of Educ. &amp; Research, Calif.-Nev. Conf. of Operating Engineers</p>
<p> Daniel M. Curtin, Director, California Conference of Carpenters</p>
<p> Brian D&#8217;Arcy, Business Manager/Financial Secretary, I.B.E.W. Local Union 18</p>
<p> Thomas M. Dalzell, Business Manager/Financial Secretary, I.B.E.W. Local Union 1245, AFL-CIO</p>
<p> Jose Mejia, Director, Laborers State Council &#8211; Legislative Dept.</p>
<p>CALIFORNIA FOUNDATION ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY<br />
 Patrick Johnston, Chair</p>
<p> Patrick F. Mason, President<br />
 *</p>
<p> TBA, C.C.E.E.B.</p>
<p> Beth E. Vaughan, Consultant<br />
 *</p>
<p> Celeste Cremen, Conference Coordinator<br />
 *</p>
<p>OBSERVERS<br />
 Kip Lipper, Consultant, Policy Unit, Office of the Senate pro Tempore</p>
<p> Mary Lynch, Vice President, Regulatory &amp; Legis. Affairs, Constellation Energy Commodities Group</p>
<p> Nancy E. Ryan, Energy Advisor to President Peevey</p>
<p>CFEE</p>
<p> CALIFORNIA FOUNDATION  ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Peters</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1121711</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Prop.87?


Ralph Cavanagh 
3rd Annual Heinz Award Recipient  
 
Ralph Cavanagh receives the Heinz Award in Public Policy for his work in persuading legislators and regulators to permit utilities to earn money by saving energy. 

Mr. Cavanagh, co-director of the Natural Resources Defense Council&#039;s Energy Program, epitomizes the power of the thinker, the convener, and the listener. An optimist by nature who believes that win-win situations are possible with enough hard work, Mr. Cavanagh has been a leader in implementing the notion that environmental solutions should contribute to the bottom line of polluting businesses which traditional regulations prevented. His unparalleled success in persuading regulators of the merits of this once unorthodox view helped to prove that utility regulatory reform is viable and yields substantial environmental gains. He has used public policy in an exemplary way to bring about positive, widespread changes in existing regulations and practices. 

A graduate of Yale University Law School, Ralph Cavanagh possesses impressive credentials. In addition to his duties at the National Resources Defense Council, he is a past member of the Energy Engineering Board of the National Academy of Sciences, and a visiting professor at both Stanford University and the University of California, Berkeley. But it is in the Byzantine trenches of utility policy reform that he has built his considerable reputation. 

Beginning in 1979, Mr. Cavanagh focused his efforts on the electric utility sector, then accounting for as much as two-thirds of the nation&#039;s principal air pollutants. His goal was to improve the alignment of shareholder and societal interests, so that utility profits were no longer primarily linked to promoting increased electricity use. First in the Pacific Northwest and later in California, he helped build coalitions of utilities, consumer groups, industries, regulators, and others to unleash the power of energy efficiency and renewable energy resources. Northwest utilities with which Mr. Cavanagh worked have reduced electricity needs since 1980 by the equivalent of a Seattle-sized city, while eliminating divisive conflicts over new coal-fired and nuclear plants that all parties concede are no longer needed. 

In California, Mr. Cavanagh helped organize the &quot;California Collaborative,&quot; a set of structured negotiations among a host of traditionally opposing interests throughout the state. Since 1990, that initiative has yielded utility-financed energy efficiency improvements large enough to significantly reduce pollution and cut Californians&#039; energy bills by more than two billion dollars. More recently, in 1996, he shared credit for the nation&#039;s most ambitious multi-state energy conservation partnership, the Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance. Additionally, both in the Pacific Northwest and California, Cavanagh has worked to guarantee that low-income citizens share equally in the benefits of sustainable energy investment. 

Mr. Cavanagh is the first to admit that he did not invent the idea of aligning utility shareholder and societal interests, but he is the man who proved it could be implemented on a large scale. As is so often the case, the true mark of leadership was Mr. Cavanagh&#039;s ability to understand the concerns of all parties, and to then build a solution each party felt met its essential needs. That brand of leadership is rare, but Ralph Cavanagh, through an inspired mixture of brilliance, insight and perseverance, exhibited it in achieving one of the most sweeping regulatory turnarounds of recent times. 

Note: This profile is excerpted from the commemorative brochure published at the time of the awards&#039; presentation. 

Web site: http://www.nrdc.org/media/expert.asp 

UPDATES SINCE RECEIVING THE HEINZ AWARD 

May 2004 â€“ Cavanagh receives the Lifetime Achievement in Energy Efficiency Award from Californiaâ€™s Flex Your Power campaign. The award recognized his demonstrated exceptional leadership and extraordinary contributions to advance energy efficiency in California. â€“ Flex Your Power website (www.fypower.org) 

August 2001 â€“ Cavanagh is named to the board of directors of Electric Power Research Instituteâ€™s new Electricity Innovation Institute. The new institute will focus on â€œelectrical infrastructure for a digital societyâ€ among other things, and will field a board of directors of well-known public officials â€“ Energy Daily 

December 2000 â€“ Cavanaghâ€™s panel on nuclear waste disposal releases its final report. In it, the committee concludes that there are indeed methods of destroying nuclear waste that are less likely to compromise human and environmental health â€“ The Associated Press 

May 2000 â€“ Cavanagh is selected to chair a blue-ribbon panel appointed by Energy Secretary Bill Richardson. The purpose of the panel, which was created by the U.S. Department of Energy, is to research the methods of disposing of radioactive waste and hopefully find alternative solutions â€“ New Technology Week 
 
http://www.heinzawards.net/recipients.asp?action=detail&amp;recipientID=38#</description>
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<p>Ralph Cavanagh<br />
3rd Annual Heinz Award Recipient  </p>
<p>Ralph Cavanagh receives the Heinz Award in Public Policy for his work in persuading legislators and regulators to permit utilities to earn money by saving energy. </p>
<p>Mr. Cavanagh, co-director of the Natural Resources Defense Council&#8217;s Energy Program, epitomizes the power of the thinker, the convener, and the listener. An optimist by nature who believes that win-win situations are possible with enough hard work, Mr. Cavanagh has been a leader in implementing the notion that environmental solutions should contribute to the bottom line of polluting businesses which traditional regulations prevented. His unparalleled success in persuading regulators of the merits of this once unorthodox view helped to prove that utility regulatory reform is viable and yields substantial environmental gains. He has used public policy in an exemplary way to bring about positive, widespread changes in existing regulations and practices. </p>
<p>A graduate of Yale University Law School, Ralph Cavanagh possesses impressive credentials. In addition to his duties at the National Resources Defense Council, he is a past member of the Energy Engineering Board of the National Academy of Sciences, and a visiting professor at both Stanford University and the University of California, Berkeley. But it is in the Byzantine trenches of utility policy reform that he has built his considerable reputation. </p>
<p>Beginning in 1979, Mr. Cavanagh focused his efforts on the electric utility sector, then accounting for as much as two-thirds of the nation&#8217;s principal air pollutants. His goal was to improve the alignment of shareholder and societal interests, so that utility profits were no longer primarily linked to promoting increased electricity use. First in the Pacific Northwest and later in California, he helped build coalitions of utilities, consumer groups, industries, regulators, and others to unleash the power of energy efficiency and renewable energy resources. Northwest utilities with which Mr. Cavanagh worked have reduced electricity needs since 1980 by the equivalent of a Seattle-sized city, while eliminating divisive conflicts over new coal-fired and nuclear plants that all parties concede are no longer needed. </p>
<p>In California, Mr. Cavanagh helped organize the &#8220;California Collaborative,&#8221; a set of structured negotiations among a host of traditionally opposing interests throughout the state. Since 1990, that initiative has yielded utility-financed energy efficiency improvements large enough to significantly reduce pollution and cut Californians&#8217; energy bills by more than two billion dollars. More recently, in 1996, he shared credit for the nation&#8217;s most ambitious multi-state energy conservation partnership, the Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance. Additionally, both in the Pacific Northwest and California, Cavanagh has worked to guarantee that low-income citizens share equally in the benefits of sustainable energy investment. </p>
<p>Mr. Cavanagh is the first to admit that he did not invent the idea of aligning utility shareholder and societal interests, but he is the man who proved it could be implemented on a large scale. As is so often the case, the true mark of leadership was Mr. Cavanagh&#8217;s ability to understand the concerns of all parties, and to then build a solution each party felt met its essential needs. That brand of leadership is rare, but Ralph Cavanagh, through an inspired mixture of brilliance, insight and perseverance, exhibited it in achieving one of the most sweeping regulatory turnarounds of recent times. </p>
<p>Note: This profile is excerpted from the commemorative brochure published at the time of the awards&#8217; presentation. </p>
<p>Web site: <a href="http://www.nrdc.org/media/expert.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrdc.org/media/expert.asp</a> </p>
<p>UPDATES SINCE RECEIVING THE HEINZ AWARD </p>
<p>May 2004 â€“ Cavanagh receives the Lifetime Achievement in Energy Efficiency Award from Californiaâ€™s Flex Your Power campaign. The award recognized his demonstrated exceptional leadership and extraordinary contributions to advance energy efficiency in California. â€“ Flex Your Power website (www.fypower.org) </p>
<p>August 2001 â€“ Cavanagh is named to the board of directors of Electric Power Research Instituteâ€™s new Electricity Innovation Institute. The new institute will focus on â€œelectrical infrastructure for a digital societyâ€ among other things, and will field a board of directors of well-known public officials â€“ Energy Daily </p>
<p>December 2000 â€“ Cavanaghâ€™s panel on nuclear waste disposal releases its final report. In it, the committee concludes that there are indeed methods of destroying nuclear waste that are less likely to compromise human and environmental health â€“ The Associated Press </p>
<p>May 2000 â€“ Cavanagh is selected to chair a blue-ribbon panel appointed by Energy Secretary Bill Richardson. The purpose of the panel, which was created by the U.S. Department of Energy, is to research the methods of disposing of radioactive waste and hopefully find alternative solutions â€“ New Technology Week </p>
<p><a href="http://www.heinzawards.net/recipients.asp?action=detail&amp;recipientID=38#" rel="nofollow">http://www.heinzawards.net/recipients.asp?action=detail&amp;recipientID=38#</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1121711', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Peters</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1121700</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top Schwarzenegger aide, lawmakers travel to South America

 

KESQ News Channel 3, (AP), Saturday, November 11, 2006

 

SACRAMENTO Governor Schwarzenegger&#039;s chief of staff and a bipartisan delegation of state lawmakers have left on a 12-day trip to South America to study alternative-energy technologies.

 

Chief of Staff Susan Kennedy, Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and high-ranking members of both the Senate and Assembly are being accompanied by representatives of energy companies and others with lobbying interests in Sacramento. 

 

The trip will take the delegation to Argentina, Brazil and Chile. 

 

Officials say the mission is designed to give lawmakers a lesson in ethanol production and other clean-energy technologies. 

 

The trip was organized and funded by the California Foundation on the Environment and the Economy. 

 

On the Net: 

 

California Foundation on the Environment and the Economy, http://www.cfee.net/ 

 

Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

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<p>KESQ News Channel 3, (AP), Saturday, November 11, 2006</p>
<p>SACRAMENTO Governor Schwarzenegger&#8217;s chief of staff and a bipartisan delegation of state lawmakers have left on a 12-day trip to South America to study alternative-energy technologies.</p>
<p>Chief of Staff Susan Kennedy, Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and high-ranking members of both the Senate and Assembly are being accompanied by representatives of energy companies and others with lobbying interests in Sacramento. </p>
<p>The trip will take the delegation to Argentina, Brazil and Chile. </p>
<p>Officials say the mission is designed to give lawmakers a lesson in ethanol production and other clean-energy technologies. </p>
<p>The trip was organized and funded by the California Foundation on the Environment and the Economy. </p>
<p>On the Net: </p>
<p>California Foundation on the Environment and the Economy, <a href="http://www.cfee.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfee.net/</a> </p>
<p>Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Big Oil Bankrolls Deceptive California Campaign Against Alternative Energy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1015464</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Big Oil Bankrolls Deceptive California Campaign Against Alternative Energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kzd</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1014516</link>
		<dc:creator>Kzd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All dogs go to heaven and all oil company exectuives burn in hell.  

If you need less politicians in your life then try to get them uninvolved where they should be, like not trying to ban privately funded stem cell research, and promoting official prayer time in public schools; don&#039;t wish for them to protect us less than they should(but don&#039;t because they - wall street republicans who hold half of the real power under the bush administration - can make lots of money with this kind of war on the less wealthy 90%, then when we&#039;re all eating each other they&#039;ll be able to afford to live in gated communities.)  

Keep the government out of it is a perfect recipe for the kind of capitalism we had during the industrial revolution, you know when children worked 70 hour weeks and coal companies hired armies of mercenaries to murder striking workers and their families in the thousands.

Let&#039;s also not forget that these ads run on public airwaves.  I would much rather my children be exposed to the occasional african american booby than this kind of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All dogs go to heaven and all oil company exectuives burn in hell.  </p>
<p>If you need less politicians in your life then try to get them uninvolved where they should be, like not trying to ban privately funded stem cell research, and promoting official prayer time in public schools; don&#8217;t wish for them to protect us less than they should(but don&#8217;t because they &#8211; wall street republicans who hold half of the real power under the bush administration &#8211; can make lots of money with this kind of war on the less wealthy 90%, then when we&#8217;re all eating each other they&#8217;ll be able to afford to live in gated communities.)  </p>
<p>Keep the government out of it is a perfect recipe for the kind of capitalism we had during the industrial revolution, you know when children worked 70 hour weeks and coal companies hired armies of mercenaries to murder striking workers and their families in the thousands.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget that these ads run on public airwaves.  I would much rather my children be exposed to the occasional african american booby than this kind of shit.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1014516', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1014008</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Steve, what&#039;s your suggestion?  Sit on our hands and do nothing?  That&#039;s working SOOOOO well now, isn&#039;t it?  Wait a minute, were you on Cheney&#039;s secret energy task force?

Big oil will do nothing for this problem.  Government can funnel some money into research and something will be accomplished.  I&#039;d prefer something to nothing.  We&#039;ll pay more for gas no matter what.

I&#039;m tired of the &quot;why should government be involved&quot; crap, and it is a load of crap.  Government is responsive to the people, unlike corporate America (and corporate world).  It is the only way some problems will be solved.  And it really pisses off the right (an added benefit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Steve, what&#8217;s your suggestion?  Sit on our hands and do nothing?  That&#8217;s working SOOOOO well now, isn&#8217;t it?  Wait a minute, were you on Cheney&#8217;s secret energy task force?</p>
<p>Big oil will do nothing for this problem.  Government can funnel some money into research and something will be accomplished.  I&#8217;d prefer something to nothing.  We&#8217;ll pay more for gas no matter what.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of the &#8220;why should government be involved&#8221; crap, and it is a load of crap.  Government is responsive to the people, unlike corporate America (and corporate world).  It is the only way some problems will be solved.  And it really pisses off the right (an added benefit).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1014008', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013712</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Because the government is in bed with Big Oil. The sooner that we force them to do something about their best buddies, the better.&lt;/em&gt;

You can do something by investing your own money into these groups that are researching and developing alternatives. Why wait for the government to do anything? The problem is most investors want some kind of return for thier investment.... if it was promising enough the money would be pouring into these groups. Because its not, means the people with money to invest are not sure alternatives are going to be viable.
Besides we both know that as soon as alternatives do become viable and start replacing oil based fuels that they will be taxed the same as oil is now. Because the government makes more per gallon then does the oil companies, they are not interested in seeing that income go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Because the government is in bed with Big Oil. The sooner that we force them to do something about their best buddies, the better.</em></p>
<p>You can do something by investing your own money into these groups that are researching and developing alternatives. Why wait for the government to do anything? The problem is most investors want some kind of return for thier investment&#8230;. if it was promising enough the money would be pouring into these groups. Because its not, means the people with money to invest are not sure alternatives are going to be viable.<br />
Besides we both know that as soon as alternatives do become viable and start replacing oil based fuels that they will be taxed the same as oil is now. Because the government makes more per gallon then does the oil companies, they are not interested in seeing that income go away.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013712', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013663</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL
How do you plan to force them to do something? This ballot initiative? They will just ignore it like they have so many before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL<br />
How do you plan to force them to do something? This ballot initiative? They will just ignore it like they have so many before.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013663', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Spudge_Boy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013606</link>
		<dc:creator>Spudge_Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;David, Why does goverment have to be involved?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because the government is in bed with Big Oil. The sooner that we force them to do something about their best buddies, the better. And no, I didn&#039;t just say oil was bad. I said Big Oil was bad. There is a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>David, Why does goverment have to be involved?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because the government is in bed with Big Oil. The sooner that we force them to do something about their best buddies, the better. And no, I didn&#8217;t just say oil was bad. I said Big Oil was bad. There is a difference.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013606', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013374</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Why does goverment have to be involved? If alternative fuel is going to be the next best thing since sliced bread, then why isn&#039;t the market driving this? Why aren&#039;t investors lining up in droves to get in on the next big thing?
Don&#039;t get me wrong. I like the idea of alternative fuel and I think the most promising right now is the liquidifacation of coal. It seems to me everything the government get involved with turns into crap and I need less politicians involved in my life not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Why does goverment have to be involved? If alternative fuel is going to be the next best thing since sliced bread, then why isn&#8217;t the market driving this? Why aren&#8217;t investors lining up in droves to get in on the next big thing?<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I like the idea of alternative fuel and I think the most promising right now is the liquidifacation of coal. It seems to me everything the government get involved with turns into crap and I need less politicians involved in my life not more.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013374', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Taylor</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013361</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want your mind blown away ? I mean REALLY blown away at just how corrupt our government local and national and companies and big oil really are ? Alternative fuel already exists. It was hear nearly 10 years ago. IT worked. it was SUCCESSFUL (too successful) and it was economically cheaper than gas cars !! its called the Electric Car. not the waste of money hybrid (my damned 30 year old merceded diesel gets better mpg than many hybrids) but PURE electric plug in to recharge it electric cars. Ready to have your mind blown away ? ready to blow your top with anger ? search for Who Killed the Electric Car and &quot;torrent&quot; or wait till november when it comes out on DVD. MIND BLOWING !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want your mind blown away ? I mean REALLY blown away at just how corrupt our government local and national and companies and big oil really are ? Alternative fuel already exists. It was hear nearly 10 years ago. IT worked. it was SUCCESSFUL (too successful) and it was economically cheaper than gas cars !! its called the Electric Car. not the waste of money hybrid (my damned 30 year old merceded diesel gets better mpg than many hybrids) but PURE electric plug in to recharge it electric cars. Ready to have your mind blown away ? ready to blow your top with anger ? search for Who Killed the Electric Car and &#8220;torrent&#8221; or wait till november when it comes out on DVD. MIND BLOWING !!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013361', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013286</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proposition 87 is a great idea, and will work just fine to promoTe alternative energy. The cncept however, is  a more difficult  solution  than it needs  to be, but  it should be approved by the voters,It will work juat fine!! IF PROPOSITION 87 FAILS RAISE THE STATE GAS TAX AND DEDICATE THE FUNDS FOR ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.  ALTERNATIVE ENERGY NEEDS TO BE PROMOTED FOR A SECURE  ENERGY FUTURE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proposition 87 is a great idea, and will work just fine to promoTe alternative energy. The cncept however, is  a more difficult  solution  than it needs  to be, but  it should be approved by the voters,It will work juat fine!! IF PROPOSITION 87 FAILS RAISE THE STATE GAS TAX AND DEDICATE THE FUNDS FOR ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.  ALTERNATIVE ENERGY NEEDS TO BE PROMOTED FOR A SECURE  ENERGY FUTURE!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013286', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1013253</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If taxes are raised on the oil companys, and you believe that it wont be passed on to the consumer, regardless of what the prop says, then i&#039;ve got some land in Florida I&#039;d like to sell you..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If taxes are raised on the oil companys, and you believe that it wont be passed on to the consumer, regardless of what the prop says, then i&#8217;ve got some land in Florida I&#8217;d like to sell you&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013253', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1012145</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

If Prop. 87 will be such a money tree for the oil business, how come they&#039;re spending millions to fight it?

Anything the corporate clowns in this country oppose, I&#039;m all for.  They have no ethics and no responsibility.  We should be demanding more governement regulation of irresponsible corporations.  They run the world as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>If Prop. 87 will be such a money tree for the oil business, how come they&#8217;re spending millions to fight it?</p>
<p>Anything the corporate clowns in this country oppose, I&#8217;m all for.  They have no ethics and no responsibility.  We should be demanding more governement regulation of irresponsible corporations.  They run the world as it is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1012145', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Peters</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1012126</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOTE NO on Prop.87 


The $0.51 per gal. corporate welfare to the oil refiners for adding 5.6% ethanol to California gas is about $500,000,000.00 per year.

The ethanol may add over $1.00 per gal. to the gas profit in California. 

That may be about $100 billion in oil profit from California motorists.

The science is interesting but so is the money.

 

A $4 billion Prop. 87 oil tax may add $40 billion in oil profit. 




Charlie Peters
(510) 537-1796
Clean Air Performance Professionals

 

CAPP contact: Charlie Peters (510) 537-1796 cappcharlie@earthlink.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VOTE NO on Prop.87 </p>
<p>The $0.51 per gal. corporate welfare to the oil refiners for adding 5.6% ethanol to California gas is about $500,000,000.00 per year.</p>
<p>The ethanol may add over $1.00 per gal. to the gas profit in California. </p>
<p>That may be about $100 billion in oil profit from California motorists.</p>
<p>The science is interesting but so is the money.</p>
<p>A $4 billion Prop. 87 oil tax may add $40 billion in oil profit. </p>
<p>Charlie Peters<br />
(510) 537-1796<br />
Clean Air Performance Professionals</p>
<p>CAPP contact: Charlie Peters (510) 537-1796 <a href="mailto:cappcharlie@earthlink.net">cappcharlie@earthlink.net</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1012126', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1011959</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Come home and put up the wall? 
Comment by Steve â€” October 20, 2006 @ 6:53 pm&lt;/i&gt;

That is already happening, so no need to fret about it anymore. 

&lt;i&gt;What about our allies? What about the other countries of the world being overtaken by the muslim extremist?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, what about our allies? And what are all those countries &quot;being overtaken&quot; by Muslim extremists? Sounds a little apocalyptic to me.

&lt;i&gt;We should just wait till they gather at our shores? &lt;/i&gt;

More apocalyptic visions here. The same thing was said about the &quot;Red Danger&quot;. And how exactly would Muslims extremists &quot;gather at our shores&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Come home and put up the wall?<br />
Comment by Steve â€” October 20, 2006 @ 6:53 pm</i></p>
<p>That is already happening, so no need to fret about it anymore. </p>
<p><i>What about our allies? What about the other countries of the world being overtaken by the muslim extremist?</i></p>
<p>Yeah, what about our allies? And what are all those countries &#8220;being overtaken&#8221; by Muslim extremists? Sounds a little apocalyptic to me.</p>
<p><i>We should just wait till they gather at our shores? </i></p>
<p>More apocalyptic visions here. The same thing was said about the &#8220;Red Danger&#8221;. And how exactly would Muslims extremists &#8220;gather at our shores&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1011959', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1011931</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mikey killing terrorists in Iraq has nothing to do with bombs coming across the border.&quot;

OK, I follow that and agree.

&quot;My point is that from a stategic point our emeny has nothing really to gain and everything to lose by striking us again in our country&quot;

About the only truth and sense Bush ever uttered is that the enemy has no face. (I think that&#039;s a quote).  We could kill every living thing in Iraq and Afganistan and there would still be plenty of people with the desire and means to attack the U.S. or allies.  Muslim extremists exist in more countries than just the middle east.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mikey killing terrorists in Iraq has nothing to do with bombs coming across the border.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, I follow that and agree.</p>
<p>&#8220;My point is that from a stategic point our emeny has nothing really to gain and everything to lose by striking us again in our country&#8221;</p>
<p>About the only truth and sense Bush ever uttered is that the enemy has no face. (I think that&#8217;s a quote).  We could kill every living thing in Iraq and Afganistan and there would still be plenty of people with the desire and means to attack the U.S. or allies.  Muslim extremists exist in more countries than just the middle east.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1011931', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog49</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1011920</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluedog49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, according to Bush&#039;s own NIE, which he didn&#039;t like and tried to keep quiet, the war in Iraq creates more terrorists every day. In other words, it doesn&#039;t help win the war on terror, it exaserbates it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, according to Bush&#8217;s own NIE, which he didn&#8217;t like and tried to keep quiet, the war in Iraq creates more terrorists every day. In other words, it doesn&#8217;t help win the war on terror, it exaserbates it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1011920', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SpudgeBoy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/20/prop-87/comment-page-2/#comment-1011873</link>
		<dc:creator>SpudgeBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mikey killing terrorists in Iraq has nothing to do with bombs coming across the border.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell that to Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mikey killing terrorists in Iraq has nothing to do with bombs coming across the border.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tell that to Bush.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1011873', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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