Novak: ‘This Is Going To Be One Of The Least Important Elections That I Have Seen’
Novak: ‘This Is Going To Be One Of The Least Important Elections That I Have Seen’
A new cover story by Rolling Stone describes the last six years in Congress as the “most shameful, corrupt and incompetent period in the history of the American legislative branch.” Americans’ approval of the conservative-led Congress is “at its lowest mark in 14 years,” with half of Americans believing “most members of Congress are corrupt.”
Yet some conservatives are trying to downplay the stakes of the upcoming election. This morning on Meet the Press, conservative pundit Robert Novak said, “I would make the argument that this is one of the least important elections that I have seen.” Watch it:
Full transcript:
RUSSERT: Would a Democratic majority go wild, or govern from the middle? Bob Novak?
NOVAK: There’s going to be a subpoena onslaught, which may or may not be politicaly beneficial. I have never found, in my time in Washington, that these congressional investigations are that effective. I know that in six years of investigating everything possible in the Clinton administration, the Republican Congress was not all that effective.
Tim, let me say this. All politicians always say that this is the most important election that we’ve ever been in, because it is to them. I would make the argument that this is one of the least important elections that I have seen because everybody is really looking ahead to 2008 as an important election. Because if the Democrats win the House, as is probable, they can make and pass a lot of legislation, get nowhere in the Senate — the Senate is a very difficult thing to get through — and the President will suddenly discover his veto pen that he had lost track of for six years. I don’t think that much will happen substantively. It is a nice thing for Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker of the House. But I don’t think there’s going to be much action out of her.
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Nice reverse logic asshat.
Don’t you have some undercover agents identities ro reveal?
By the way Bobster, how many haunted houses are you working at this halloween?
-GSD
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmIt is a nice thing for Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker of the House. But I don’t think there’s going to be much action out of her.
Heh. Like Novakula gets action. Looks like he’sa quart low on puppy blood…
Shut up, you whiny assed titty baby.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmtotally.
9/11 was one of the most insignificant terrorist attacks in history.
and Katrina was one of the most insignificant hurricanes in history.
and Orwell’s 1984 is one of the most insignificant books ever written
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmYou bet your sweet bippy it is! I’m beginning to like the sound of ‘KERRY/OBAMA ‘08″ as well. In this morning’s interview with George Staphanapolis, which provided an immediate ‘contrast’ with the interview with Bush immediately preceeding it, JOHN KERRY sealed his fate….He will have a “comeback” now and will become our next President. This interview this morning will be “that moment in time” when we caught the first glimpse of our next Prez….If he convinces Barak to be his Veep, then it’s sealed…
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:37 pmI think he is one of the “least important” political pundits I have ever seen.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:37 pmand Novak is a tired, OLD, gag of wind…..complicit as the day is long in the Plame affair and has zippo credibility. He’s a washed up, old “has been”…..
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 pmWhy, is he planning on dying at noon on November 7th, so he won’t see the results?
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 pmAttack by denying the truth and misdirecting.
SOP for Republican lapdogs.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmI need someone, anyone to point out why this windbags opinion means anything?
Anyone?
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmYour Conscience,
*crickets chirping*
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:41 pmThis the least important pundit , sacophant , most arrogant idiot of american jounalism
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:48 pmMr. Novak is one of those evil people who think that exposing wrong-doing by your government is traitorous. I hope like hell that the Democratics (which, BTW, is the proper name for the party) use their subpoena power to investigate as many abuses of power and forms of corruption that they can find. Start with the no-bid contractors who steal from the taxpayers and then feed spoiled food and water to our fighting forces. Does Novak think that exposing them will be insignificant? Does he think that their illegal activities (the contractors) would ever be exposed under a Republican-led House? I agree that this whore’s opinion should never be sought again. He has a contract with Fox, now. Why is NBC bothering to interview him? Was Dan Quayle unavailable?
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:49 pmkerry…will become our next President. This interview this morning will be “that moment in time†when we caught the first glimpse of our next Prez….If he convinces Barak to be his Veep, then it’s sealed…
Comment by unitynow — October 22, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
wow… i listened to parts of that and didn’t get that from kerry… but i did notice he was assertive and strong sounding… just need more…
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:53 pmhopefully crooks and liars will have that video up soon… doubt TP will…
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wayne s. - correct me if i’m wrong, but i think it’s the “democratic party”, and the party members are “democrats”… (i sure hope)…
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmWas Dan Quayle unavailable?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Or Santorum? He’s funny.
Funny - weird & scary, not funny - funny.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmNovak is a far-right GOP lunatic, so everything he spews is 100% concocted baloney! Ignore every word of his diatribe about this election being unimportant!
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmNovak implies that the election results will be
(1) Democrats taking over the House, and
(2) Republicans controlling the Senate.
So the election is more or less FIXED.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:58 pmEither it’s what does he know that we don’t or the PedoCons are so out of touch with reality that they actually believe it. It is kind of telling those conservatives to stay home, because this election doesn’t matter. Well it’s life or death for Progressives.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:58 pmNovak missed his calling. He really should have been a sports columnist. His lack of intelligence, curiousity and analytical ability qualifies him perfectly for commenting on spoiled athletes and their billionaire bosses and their pursuit of inconsequential championships.
Unfortunately, these characteristics did not translate well into his chosen area of focus. Except maybe for that part about a “spoiled” cheeleader-president and his wealthy father.
October 22nd, 2006 at 12:59 pm#14 katy, I could very well have misunderstood what I thought I heard Howard Dean saying (my hearing isn’t the best). I thought he was saying that the party members were properly referred to as “Democratics” and not “Democrats”. If I am wrong about that then I offer my sincere apologies for sounding like a bit of a dick. Or is that a Cheney?
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:05 pmNovak is taking up the latest conservative tactic. I think he’s trying to tell Democrats not to vote. I heard Sean Hannity say as much.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:06 pmNovak is right in saying that this election is NOT
important IF Democrats can not win the senator
seats in New Jersey, Virginia, and Missouri.
It would be a result of cooperation/arrangements between the two parties because the governor of New jersey and the former governor of Virginia would have won the senator seats EASILY.
It’s fixed by two parties. Well, I am still for Democrats because it is better than the completely corrupted Republicans, at least on the surface so (even when they just play their
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:10 pmassigned roles).
Seem he want to tell us the Congress is useless.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:12 pmNovak are you brain dead?
My god he must be stupid. This is no BIG deal? Umm…Mr.Novak wake up and smell the petunias. We have thousands of american men and women in Iraq fighting a hopeless war and that is no BIG deal to you? This man has the heart the size of Dubya’s brain…
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:17 pmThis is why Novak is the least important person that we have seen.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:19 pm#22 Just-Asking,
There are other political parties from which to choose. You do not have to limit yourself to only the Republican and Democratic parties. If you live in a state where the Senate race is a lock for one side or the other, then use your vote for Senator to vote for another political party. (Or do the same with your vote for US Representative.) I’m sure there’s a Green Party or Liberal Party (we have that in New York) candidate for whom you could vote. Laws vary from state to state, but in my state, if a candidate for federal office gets enough votes, his or her party does not have to collect signatures to get on the ballot for the next one. More candidates on the ballot means more choices for voters. More choices for voters means more diversity of opinion in Congress. More diversity of opinion in Congress means better legislation coming out. Everybody wins when everybody is represented. The two major political parties do not represent all Americans. Stop sending them back to Congress.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:20 pmWho gives a shit what a man who has outlived his relevance thinks? Kinda like George W. Bush…..He’s been wrong or lied so often, you automatically assume the opposite of what he thinks or says is true.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:24 pmI thought Novak had some sort of “episode.” Didn’t realize he was still on the punditry A-list. He’s kind of a walking punchline though, isn’t he?
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:28 pmI was watching Novak today on Meet the Press and kept thinking what a truly revolting and despicable human(?) being he is.
The good part is he looks like he’s about to die at any moment!
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:29 pm#
and Novak is a tired, OLD, gag of wind…..complicit as the day is long in the Plame affair and has zippo credibility. He’s a washed up, old “has beenâ€â€¦..
Comment by unitynow — October 22, 2006 @ 12:38 pm
But somehow, Meet The Press never gets the message. Personally I can’t stand seeing or listening to the little runt.
But hey, at least CNN is supplying their own analysis… from JEFFREY TOOBIN.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Novak is a little traitor, and if there was any justice in this world, he would be on death row, along with the rest of the war criminals.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmHe’s an idiot. Nuff said.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 pmSack o’ shit gasbag.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:33 pmIs that walking sarcophagus Novak making noises again?
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmHEY, Come on everybody, you’re not getting it! A right-wing pundit is proclaiming the upcoming election to be the least important election in his lifetime. DON’T YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
RIGHT WINGERS CAN STAY HOME!!! Their vote is not important! This election is ho-hum for the right-wing causes!
Meanwhile, for those who care about the crimes of this Administration, this election is perhaps the most important one in the history of the United States of America.
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmI wonder why NBC would waist air time to have him on? I’d rather watch ‘PAID PROGRAMING’ ….’it slices,dices and will wax your car’….
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:47 pm#34 You hit it right on the nail. This is the most important election in the history of the United States of America. We have to take our America back.
Why is this guy still around he should be in jail for outing a FBI Agent?
October 22nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmBasically what he’s saying is that Bush is not gonna play with the Dems regardless of whether what comes out of Capitol Hill is good or bad for America. The Decider will decide not to be the Uniter.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:08 pmNovak, a slimey windbag of noxious gas.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmNovak’s job is to keep the fires burning with false fears among conservatives and middle America, that the Dems are so eager for investigations, prosecutions and impeachment that the government will be paralyzed if they gain control.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:23 pmHe’s a lying propagandist with his own agenda and an ego that matches his big head.
wayne… whenever i’ve heard the complaints, it was about the repugs using the word “democrat” wrong, on purpose, disparagingly, as in “democrat plan” when it should be “democratic plan”, and i know it’s “democratic party”…
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:24 pmi haven’t heard howard recently… i could be mistaken about the people being “democratics”… the grammar doesn’t fit though… just sayin’…
Novak is just trying to dull the pain.
Just two years ago, the Replicans were gloating over eternal control over America. Now they lie bleeding on the pavement of failure. Instead of gloating, their members are fighting to stay out of jail.
Now THAT kind of reversal of fortune is gonna affect your morale! No wonder they’re babbling like idiots.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:35 pm34 and 41 … what they said.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmIf it isn’t important to me–then it isn’t important!
Delusional old wombat.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:40 pmThat’s classic definition of Wishful Thinking
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:43 pmI have noticed a few stories like Novak’s predictions lately and see it as part of a concerted effort to change the reality of the elections. The conventional wisdom for practically the last month has been that voters are increasingly disgusted with Congress in general and Republicans specifically. Christian conservatives are turned off by the GOP to the point of voting apathy. The Democratic rank and file is energized and poised to seize control of the Congress.
Now we are hearing stories from specific people who claim it’s not like that or that the reality is far different. Drudge featured a report from Barron’s magazine which said Republicans would maintain control. Novak is downplaying the importance of the election. O’Reilly is claiming increased violence in Iraq and saber rattling in North Korea is just an attempt to influence our elections.
It’s the same old story from the people. If you can fight the reality, change it entirely and just keep insisting it’s true.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:44 pmNovak is DEAD WRONG… this is the schism election - the Republican coalition of social and fiscal conservatives will burst at the seems… tax cuts don’t mean squat when food, gas prices, wage depression, inflation and legal loan sharking, aka credit deregulation started by Reagan in the 80’s are eroding the living standards of the faithful… the bible belt might be afraid of gays, but how long can evangelicals vote against their own financial well being? I think we’re going to find a big realignment in politics… where evangelicals put aside their fear and hatred, realizing that the pension raiding, union busting, big business, endless war Republicans are committing the sin of usury, picking their pockets and that Democratic values like meritocracy, universal healthcare, peace, equality for all and care for the poor and needy are much more in line with their Christian Values, than worrying about what happens in other peoples’ bedrooms.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm“Watch it” Hell NO! I will never watch anything that pompus dangerous deluded fool has to say. I would please me greatly if I never saw another bit about him.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:56 pmoh… and I forgot to mention, Novak is a traitor wants to stay out of jail, so it’s the most important election for him, ever.
October 22nd, 2006 at 3:11 pmWhat an idiot. I suppose outing Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA agent was an insignificant detail in your column.
October 22nd, 2006 at 3:16 pmHopefully the rightwingers are listening to Novak - and will stay home!
October 22nd, 2006 at 3:31 pmNovak is correct to say that “in six years of investigating everything possible in the Clinton administration, the Republican Congress was not all that effective.” Of course, this is because there was nothing to investigate. And because the Republican Congress has been ineffective in every other way. Novak thinks this election is unimportant because he. like many Republicans, thinks the only thing that matters in government is the executive branch.
October 22nd, 2006 at 3:43 pmRIGHT WINGERS CAN STAY HOME!!! Their vote is not important! This election is ho-hum for the right-wing causes!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — October 22, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
Excellent post… Yes, yes, yes - if this election is so trivial, then, by all means, stay at home neocons - don’t waste your time!
And we should encourage them to do so… (Rove doesn’t have any gay bashing incentives on this ballot does he?)
October 22nd, 2006 at 3:56 pmNovak always has that look that says,”Whoops, I just soiled my Depends again!”
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmThere you go, then, conservatives, you can all stay home
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:31 pmGlad to know Blowvak thinks voting is so unimportant.
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:36 pmThis comment coming from the epitome of vitriolic dialogue is no surprise. Novak belives himself to be infallible just like many in our administration so he’s downplaying the incredible significance of this election. The people have had enough - and the wave of “distrust & disgust” with the path this country is on is becoming a tsunami….and all the kings horses and all the kings men….you get the picture!
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:37 pmTrivial?? Unimportant? The truth is that it’s the largest moment in the history of my life - to unseat the corrupt GOP and finally get some legitimate representation in Congress. Au contraire, Roberto Nowako, this is a HUGE response from the american people and a “pivotal point” in the history of this country. The people will speak by their vote on November 7 - their vote to rid our Congress of the criminals who are being indicted every day….The GOP muffed it badly on all fronts, lie in our faces, and compound those lies with more lies and coverups. It’s TIME FOR THEM TO GO!
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:40 pmThis is one of the most important elections for USA. Everytime the neocons win Americans loose. Restore the constitution!
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:43 pmhard to believe this TRAITOR is still allowed on tv…..
leave it to tim “softballs” russert to have yet another bs, fearmonger, pos like novakula on tv….
eh?
..
October 22nd, 2006 at 4:44 pmU
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Novak is a right-wing hack and has been for decades. His allegiance is to the Republican Party, not to the United States of America.
No wonder Jon Stewart refers to him as a “Douchebag of Liberty” and a “vampire demon.”
October 22nd, 2006 at 5:01 pmthe government will be paralyzed if they gain control
Exactly why this election is the most important in my half century of living. We can’t make positive progress for another two years, but we can at least stop the backward slide in the meantime.
I’m no great fan of Democrats (or any politicians), but the combination of neocon/religiofascist control and a complete lack of checks and balances has been a disaster in the making. The strength of our institutions can withstand a lot, but after several years of this onslaught, things are getting threadbare. Time to rebuild the levees.
The Founding Fathers (TM) were wise to basically institutionalize governmental gridlock. That had a lot of personal first-hand experience of the unhappy consequences of unchecked power. Time to restore gridlock. Long live gridlock!
Dems: vote for Dems.
Independents and 3rd Parties: vote for Dems.
Repubs: stay home
Once congressional gridlock is restored, we can all focus on picking the best person for president in 2008, regardless of party.
October 22nd, 2006 at 5:02 pmThe words Novak used to describe Jon Stewart recently seem most to apply to the this wind bag,,,I think they were something like self-important, self-important, self-important…seriously, this guy and guys like him talk so big and tough and self-righteously that you expect they must be tethered to the ground as their heads would surely float their bodies away. It baffles me that he still has a job and readers as it is difficult to impossible to take him as a serious adult capable of having an original thought.
October 22nd, 2006 at 5:07 pmI see TP is mailing it in again on a Sunday…
October 22nd, 2006 at 5:31 pmThis is an absolutley beautiful movie you can watch online
I suggest watching it before going to sleep for most excellent dreams. Enjoy!
Please also send it off to at least one angry Republican. Start a ripple.
October 22nd, 2006 at 6:42 pmMissing posters: haven’t seen ‘bones’ nor ‘Juan C’ nor ‘Ho Chi Minh’ lately. Have they left this site or are they banned?
October 22nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmBob Novak’s lips are moving but I don’t hear anything.
October 22nd, 2006 at 6:51 pm…and you are one of the least important people on Planet Earth asshole…
October 22nd, 2006 at 7:10 pmAlways with his eyes closed!
October 22nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmkERRY BETRAYED HIS FOLLOWERS BY CONCEDING BEFORE THE VOTES WERE EVEN COUNTED. kerry shut down his blog and erased it at 3am despite the frantic calls from his supporters not to delete it and kerry deleted any negative bush truth from his site at 3am Nov. 5 - 12 HOURS before he conceded
Rolling Stone had an article about kerry destroying eyewitness information that thousands of MIA and POWs were still in Vietnam. Kerry was taken off the chairmanship of the first half of the Iran-Contra Hearings because he was destroying information for his blood brother in skull and bones, poppy bush.
October 22nd, 2006 at 7:32 pmNovak is One of the Least Important “journalists” I Have Seen.
October 22nd, 2006 at 7:54 pmBob Novak will say anything to try and remain relevant. I wish NBC would stop giving that greasy used car salesman of a ‘journalist’ time.
October 22nd, 2006 at 8:17 pmGee bob maybe the Republican congress on a Clinton witch hunt wasn’t effective because there was nothing to investigate other than that congress’ motives for constant investigations which was to cast suspicion on what was even then a relatively innocent administration. Compared to this administration the Clinton White House was Mother Theresa. I’m sure Bob Novak has something bad to say about Mother Theresa though.
There would be nothing ineffective about investigating this whole corporatist congress and white house. What would be ineffective would be to get a majority and pretend they hadn’t broken the law and done whatever they could to prevent anyone from being held responsible.
October 22nd, 2006 at 8:24 pmNovak is reminiscent of an ugly toad my dog once caught. It made the dog foam at the mouth foam and puke. Mr. Toad also managed a snarky remark about Barrak Obama not having the wit and
October 22nd, 2006 at 9:44 pmhumor to make a great candidate! Seriously, that is hilarious on so many levels coming from a guy who hasn’t cracked a genuine smile in at least 50 years! What passes for a “smile” from Mr. Toad is an ugly grimace that looks like he’s got gas pains.
Proof that Bush’s NSA wiretapping program is straight Bushit!
http://www.freedomtown.org/ Site/ Your%20Info/ Your%20Info.html
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October 22nd, 2006 at 9:50 pmAh.. ah…. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
[quick breath]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHA
You are a dead man, Novakula.
October 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 pmYup, Novakula has become a perfect illustration of the parable of the fox and the grapes.
Nobody should doubt that if the electoral trends and polling numbers were favoring Rethuglicans to the extent they’re currently favoring Democrats, Bob would be crowing about the significance of the monumental whuppin’ that Bush was about to inflict on the Defeat-o-crats.
Instead, being faced with the horrifying possibility of Democratic control of both the House and the Senate, Novakula can only manage the terror and and sense of impending doom in one way: denial of what he so fervently wants.
October 22nd, 2006 at 10:00 pmJohn Stewarts calls Robert Novak a a douche bag, vampire demon, and a terrible person. Funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOkFAs2Shx8
October 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 pmBob Novak, one of the least important animated corpses that I have ever seen.
October 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 pmNovak will be wetting in his pants when he is sued by Mr. and Mrs. Wilson. He wont care about an election. To make Novak scared just say Libby Case of memory lost and Patrick J. Fitzgerald that will do it. He’ll be a poor old man looking for help to move in a Senior Nursing Home with Rummy.
October 22nd, 2006 at 11:20 pmNovak is a dork.
October 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 pmNovaks comments will work to keep the base from voting, Novak seems to want the Republicans to lose, and really If I were a Republican, and I’m not, what better way to divorce oneself from the debacles created by the GOP?
They made their money off war and privatization, now it’s time for the sleazebags, such as Novak, to crawl back under the cow pie from which they came.
October 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 pmI think Novak dyes his eyebrows…how weirdly senile
October 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 pmMust be Halloween - the undead are walking the earth again.
October 22nd, 2006 at 11:51 pmI want to thank Rush “Limballs” Limbaugh for the following two phrases, which he used repeatedly during his show when Clinton was President, and Novak was more middle of the road.
Meet the Depressed = Certainly fits the Republicans today
Bob “No Facts” = Certainly fits the idiot Novak
What scares me is that Cheney, Novak and some others are so sure of a win this Novemeber that I think Diebold has fixed machines in a few states such as Ohio, Florida and Connecticut to guarantee a GOP win.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 amCount Novakula
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:32 amall of the Kool-Aid drinking mouthpieces of the Bush Administration have begun to speak in unison–from Bizarro-Land.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:48 amBasically, they are parroting the GOP talking points–and get this, there’s even a formula!
Basically, here’s what you do–take the Truth, turn 180 degrees and state the exact opposite as “Truth”–repeat, repeat, repeat–until all the sheep have gone blindly into the voting booth.
Don’t forget to talk to everyone and anyone you know before elections.
Republicans I know are so disgusted that they’re staying away. Everyone else is just pissed, which should have the desired result–
IMPEACH!!
Paul Krugman’s advice to the Democrats on their impending majority in the House: Don’t Make Nice. Time advice, especially since “Speaker” Nancy Pelosi just took impeachment off the table.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:55 amMost of the brain-dead comments from you people are about the way he looks. Like When Linda Tripp recorded Monica Lewinsky talking about Slick Willey. You made fun of the way she looked because you wanted to ignore what she had to present.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:38 amLOL……..Most of you liberal blowhards were praising Novak for his role with Libby and Rove and now you’re on his ass because he downplays your pethitic attempt to recapture Congress.
Piss ant fools. get a life.
Oh..oh…..here comes all the remarks…..we’re scared!!
The only thing we’re scared of is seeing Pelosi giving Kerry noggin. Or was that Kerry giving Teddy noggin…I get them consused.
Last nite on 60 minutes, even Pelosi admitted she’s partisan, so don’t sit in your entitlement ridden chairs and tell our side, we’re divisive!
I haven’t seen Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, Teddy or the rest stumping for their colleagues.
Next your going to say…”they don’t need too” the repubs will screw it up on their own….yeah…yeah…..we get it!
Let’s not forget who ran Congress since 94…idiots. The only tool Clinton had, other than the one in his pants, was the veto tool. So why didn’t he use it….eh?
So watch out piss ants if you win congress back. Bush will veto (out of spite I hope) every freaking bill brought to him and you won’t get Sh#@ done.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:18 amOh God! Who even listens to this bozo anymore. What a moron. This is just annoying. Talk about having a problem with media ownership. Why is he on anywhere and why aren’t we seeing people that really know the news only on the internet? And how much longer is the internet going to be free of the conglomerates’ hands. People need to be paying attention to what the FCC is doing. They will act behind the backs of the people.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:24 amTim, how would that be different from the current Congress. They haven’t gotten anything meaningful done while in control of every branch of government. Oh, well they did all rush back to save Terry Schiavo. And do you mean Pelosi is partisan? I’m shocked I tell you, shocked, that a front runner for Speaker of the House would side with her party.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 amHappy+Guy, way to call out the posters here on superficial comments. Then you follow it up by calling Clinton “Slick Willey.” Way to take the high ground. Also, leave the “e” out of Willy next time you pontificate.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:41 amIn a matter of months, George Walker Bush, 43rd President of the United States, could go down in history as the first full-term president in 175 years not to have exercised his Constitutional veto power.
That’s quite a feat considering his father, Bush Sr., vetoed 44 bills in his one term in office. His successor, Bill Clinton, vetoed 37 bills in his eight years—a little under par for recent presidents: Reagan vetoed 78, Carter 31, Ford 66, and Nixon vetoed 43 bills before being impeached.
Well, that debuks Tim’s “Clinton did not use his veto power”.
The only thing we’re scared of is seeing Pelosi giving Kerry noggin. Or was that Kerry giving Teddy noggin…I get them consused.
I am consused with this post
Bush will veto (out of spite I hope) every freaking bill brought to him and you won’t get Sh#@ done.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:45 amSo you concede that when the Democrats are in control, Bush will play the “it’s my ball and I’m taking it home” ploy.
You’re post of name calling and attacking is childish, and offers no debate whatsoever. George Bush is childish, and also offers no debate whatsoever (hand picked “attendees” for dubya’s appearences). HMMMMM, methinks I see a pattern here. This may explain the 27 to 30% who still blindly follow this so-called president
Well said DRxJ, so has the right conceded a loss already? So the plan is just do anything possible to block any Democratic legislation? Real friggin’ mature. How are Bush’s major initiatives from 2004 going? Did Social Security get overhauled? Got that immigration thing all fixed yet?
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 am#93
Typical liberal thinking the conservative base would vote dem. I’m so sorry you think this way.
What you conveniently forget is that in 2004, your side had the race won before it started. Remember Florida and the exit polls? Kerry had announced victory before the race had begun…..so don’t get your hopes up.
We conservatives fight till the the last dem has conceded defeat. Which is usually, according to history, 66% of the time.
Fact is, the polls don’t ask the question “would you vote dem”, only “are you displeased with Bush or Congress”
Cherry pickin will be your huge dissapointment.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:11 amhey #94
So what’s the dem plan….haven’t seen IT yet?
Didn’t I hear Little Tom and Big Dick talking about it a few years back, but “the People” voted them down.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:14 amTypical liberal idiot….greeeat comeback.
So what’s the plan? Or are all you liberal idiots thinking your side will unveil some fantastic plan after the eletction?
Gimme a freakin break.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:18 am“in six years of investigating everything possible in the Clinton administration, the Republican Congress was not all that effective.â€
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:47 amHey Tim, you a-holes spent $43 million having Ken Starr track everything the Clintons did.
Patrick Fitzgerald has only spent $1.3 million on getting Scooter to jail.
You have to admire the efficiency of this.
We Progressives hope to see you here on Nov. 8th, but you’ll probably CUT & RUN as all the rest of you Repukes do so willingly.
Or are you man enough to ‘Stay the Course’? Oh wait, I didn’t say that. I never said that, I never said that…
I still have this dream that Novak’s necktie comes alive and slowly tightens….
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amTim, wasnt’ that you marching 10 feet behind the Grand Dragon in the KKK parade in Muncie last year?
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:49 amNo Vak Left Behind.
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 amCaption Contest:
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:06 amBob Novak, the bright face of today’s republicans.
why, oh why, TP, are my comments not being posted?
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:19 ampero con nombre boo
Did you get your so-called facts from a lib website?
If I were to respond, it would take 10 pages.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 pmIf I were to respond, it would take 10 pages.
Comment by Tim
Translation: I have nothing to offer about this subject, and thus cannot honestly debate. I will thus resort to name calling
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmWhat the hell kind of loaded question is that?? As if governing from the Left is always “going wild” and the only way you can trust a dem is if they “behave” and govern from the middle. Russert is a jerk.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 pmName calling?
You must have a severe case of RCI.
I don’t name call..I only call them as I see them. :)
Let the truth be known. You libs would rather call the Pres. a liar, Carl Rove a deviant and Dick Cheney a nazi than speak the truth.
It’s OK for you to call people names, but when we retaliate, you act like little girls that cry everytime someone looks at you wrong.
Let’s take a look at your side…shall we.
I recall your beloved Theresa Heinz Kerry (one ugly bitch) calling Bush and Cheney liars and thieves.
I recall your beloved Teddy (the murderer) Kennedy saying Bush created this war for personal gain, ie. oil.
I recall Nancy Pelosi calling the Republican congress “dishonest and corrupt”, while one of your Congressmen has $90K in his fridge.
I recall Dirty Harry Reid calling Bush a loser to school children. Oh and by the way, was Dirty Harry honest with his land deal? You won’t see that in the news.
I could go on and on and on..so bring it on A-HOLE.
The fact is, I know my side is tough as nails and your side is spineless and weak kneed. History has proven this and Bush is right…you’re a party of CUT-N-RUN.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:05 pmTim - Did you notice that only two of your “name calling” example are actually name calling? For instance, claming that somebody had alternate motives for a war (Kennedy’s “personal gain” comment) is not name calling. It is an accusation that needs investigation. Name calling is calling someone a jerk, asshole, poopy-head, or something unfounded, insulting, and unprovable.
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I love how conservatives love to insult Theresa Heinz Kerry’s looks, since, well, there’s nothing to actually insult about her since she’s a strong, independent, successful, balanced, hard-working woman who is phillanthropic with her inherited wealth, instead of being greedy and hoarding it like most rich repubs. She is an excellent role model for women who do not want to be simply a child bearer and housewife.
I personally think she’s pretty attractive for her age, but that’s just me. I wonder if “Tim” drools over the sight of Anne “Adam’s Apple” Coulter?
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmIt’s OK for you to call people names, but when we retaliate, you act like little girls that cry everytime someone looks at you wrong.
I recall your beloved Theresa Heinz Kerry (one ugly bitch)
I recall your beloved Teddy (the murderer)
so bring it on A-HOLE.
your side is spineless and weak kneed
Wow, did I predict the name calling or what? Just proves, when you’ve got nothing to argue, you attack.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:18 pmNEXT
Yes you did predict it.
Here’s an argument. Find one Republican since Bush has been in office that has called a democrat a name, in public.
Chances are good you won’t be able to, therefore shooting holes in any argument you may think you have.
During the Clinton era doesn’t count.
Libs keep saying that conservatives don’t have a legitimate plan or argument. I still haven’t heard or seen yours….so where is it?
A secret Nov. surprise? Surprise…surprise America…more tax increases.
Cut-n-run, defend child moilesters. (And PS. Foley didn’t have sex with the pages until they were 18). I’m not defending him, I’m appalled as you may be…you are aren’t you, but if you’re going to be fair, you are aren’t you, you need to look at your party and remember that you are just as guilty as the rest for accusations and being partisan.
At least I know where Bush is going whether you like it or not, and guess what, he’ not up for election in Nov. So even if you win, and you won’t, you’ll need to just DEAL with it until your side does win. Chances are not good.
You know, it seems like your side is sooooo pissed off that you’ve loooost, sooo many times in the past three decades, you can barely control your anger.
I’ve got it! A new anger managment bill when congress returns. Maybe Hilarious Clinton can sponsor it. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmI don’t see anything in this transcript that is incorrect or as detestable as people here are indicating. I don’t agree with his opinion, but there is nothing substantively wrong with his position, is there?
If one party captures the house and the other party maintains the senate and presidency, then the only thing that can result is gridlock. In a certain sense, gridlock automatically prevents the other party from advancing their agenda, so it’s a defensive victory…but he’s right in suggesting that there would not be much substantive production from any party stuck in a gridlocked branch of government.
People here are just spewing venom because the hate him, not because of what he said above…which really exemplifies progressive thinking, doesn’t it?
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe Democrats are hopelessly incompetent is the conclusion I’ve arrived at after their parade of buffoonery since Clinton got elected. They already have this won in their minds, which means they won’t do the hard work required to actually win. I bet they don’t get the House or the Senate.
If (and what a Big If), the Democrats had thrown Clinton overboard after the Lewinsky impeachment and let Gore serve out the term, we would still power and Bush would never have been elected. Sadly, the party put the interests of Clinton over the interests of their constituents. That .5-1% that were totally put off by Clinton’s childish antics, would have been enough to put Gore into power in 2000.
Watching Pelosi, Reed, Schumer, Dean, Allbright, Hillary, Conyers and crew gives me zero faith in my party’s ability to accomplish anything.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pm#114, your reply against Dog_named_Boo is so weak. Research more.
Fear about more tax is all of your posts. Is it most important with you, Tim? I know you own a biz and it’s running well. Is it Iraq outsourcing biz?
No anger managment can help me in this case, this guy should be in jail 60 years.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmQuote from Novak in 92 after the florida dem primary.”Clinton is like a wounded deer he will run in a few more primary’s but for all practible purposes he is through”.This jerk-off has never been right and he is no expert on anything.
October 23rd, 2006 at 5:22 pmI love you libs. You go nuts with his conclusion, but offer no argument to the contrary other than insults.
October 23rd, 2006 at 5:26 pm#115 - what’s substantively wrong with Novak’s position is that his position is substantively wrong. Every election is important, and anyone who thinks they are not either is asleep at the wheel or has an ulterior motive for saying so. Gridlock, if that’s the best the Democrats can accomplish, is infinitely better than the one-party rule that we now suffer - and the gridlock may very well be broken by emboldened Republicans who feel safer taking a more centrist position without the right-wing death grip on policy now in place.
The hatred has been well earned by Novak (he inspires vitriole), but it doesn’t matter whether most on this board hate him or not.
Vote!
October 23rd, 2006 at 5:39 pmNovak, since when do your opinions amount to anything. You’re an idiot. And to Bill in LA. Your ‘argument’ amounted to a hill of beans too. “I just love” the fascists (i.e. repukelicans). They love to criticize the ‘libs’ without any substantial evidence or sources to mount a credible argument.
October 23rd, 2006 at 5:40 pmNo ying yang ho…ya gotta love dat name! If you can’t listen to reason, I might as well be critical. Try to reason with a terrorist. I’ll bet he wins.
Before I answer Ho down, First…Right on Bill from LA.
At least we conservatives have the juevos to venture into lib mania and challenge that that is ludicrous. I rarely see a post from a lib on OUR conservative sites. Probably no juevos. It makes my day to know that the left is so whacked that they cannot see the forrest for the trees. Oh, it’s because they’re huggin the trees. Everytime I come to this site I laugh so hard I almost cry.
So Ho, I’m paid by the vast right wing conspiracy to see just how far I can push the left and to work to supress the left’s vote. See, were not paranoid about the left supressing our vote, we’re transparent…we plan to supress your vote by outwitting you and making sure the people stand for lower taxes, bringing evil dictators to justice, killing terrorists and making sure our children and grandchildren have a safe and decent place to live. Unlike you entitlement bums that sit around all day whackin it.
I guess it just hasn’t sunk in yet Ho..things have changed after 911.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:31 pmWhat do you think your mighty leader would have done different, negotiate with UBL and the Taliban?
Novack is right, and all your cursing and name calling won’t change it. Sorry.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:48 pmActually, Tim, you’re doing a fine job of inspiring the Democratic vote. Blasting your opponents in an incendiary, condescending, and bullying way on their turf serves to unite and rally them.
By all means, keep fiddling with your “juevos.”
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmI agree that we cannot reason with terrorists, actually we should reason with ourselves. We should answer the question, Are we producting anti-American thought? Are we producting more and more terriorists? Again terrorism is a idea, not a human; you able use a gun to kill a terrorist, not his idea.
Lower taxes is good for everyone. But if it is cause for suspend social programs, it is a big disaster. Sooner or later, you should pay more tax for more polices and prisons. All we need is effective tax systems, everyone able to understand his tax is for his own benefit.
Bringing evil dictators to justice is right thing. But we’re not GOD, we are not supposed to decide who should die for our will. Those ppl should fight against their dictators with our help. You think we do a good thing to rid of Sadam, but actually we change the lifes of million who were living peacefully. It is for your will not their will. Is it good?
Again, our children and grandchildren will pay for hatred we creating today. Do you think the Middle East ppl (not ME govts) less hate us?
You always cry out “Killing more terrorist, cut more tax” but you never think about consequences. You cannot see the forrest for the trees.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:00 pmSO in Neo-Con talk where everyting is opposite world that means…
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:12 pmTHIS IS THE BIGGEST ELECTION EVER.
And of course it is.
Traitor, he should hang.
Phase 666 and Ho
Phase -”our turf”….Pleeease…I think not. We all know it is Al Gore’s turf.
Ho- The left has been asleep a long time. About 60 years or so. Let’s go back and take a look at history. Hitler didn’t invade America, nor did Italy, but we “did the right thing” to oust the two dictators and free millions of europeans. For years after WWII there were terrorists and bad guys trying to re-take their countries.
As far as playing God. Our side believes that there are people that want to kill us…here, on our soil. This is the problem with the left, you believe we should wait to be attacked and treat the attack as a law enforcement issue, and our side believes we need to be on the offense and kill them first. I agree with the latter.
And screw most social programs! Most and I’m sure this is fact, that receive $ from these programs are completely capable of working. This is where your theory is blown to sh#@ when your side says “we need to accept illegals because they’ll do the jobs Americans won’t do.” What a crock.
If we started with family values and worked towards raising our kids to believe that working in the fields is not bad, we’d have less lazy Americans. But instead, we tell our kids “it’s not their fault they’re fat and lazy” and tell them, which we should , to go to school and get educated, but if we don’t teach our kids how to work hard at an early age and to fight when the enemy is knocking down the door, we’ll lose.
And taxes. Yes I do spend a lot of time critisizing your side because…well take a look around you. Everything you buy is overtaxed.
You may like to pay big tax bucks, but I certainly don’t. I don’t know much about the tax codes, but I certainly believe it needs to be overhauled.
You also say that our children will pay for the hatred we create…BS. Our side said that before WWII and guess what, Japan, Germany and Italy are our allies now. So, think again before you raise liberal talking points.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:04 pmYou also say that our children will pay for the hatred we create…BS. Our side said that before WWII and guess what, Japan, Germany and Italy are our allies now. So, think again before you raise liberal talking points.
Comment by Tim — October 23, 2006 @ 9:04 pm
Oh I’ll take this one - I could give a sh*t about the US welfare system. Tim, the war against Germany, Italy and Japan and the aftermath didn’t breed hatred because the emerging cold war forced the West to be more magnanimous in victory. They bred no hatred and used realpolitik to coopt the Japanese doctors who conduted experiments on US POWs, they coopted the Nazi intelligence network to combat the Soviets in central Europe. Not to mention a massive Marshall Plan.
If you want to understand what is meant by your children inheriting the hatred you breed, you should perhaps look to the history of Iran 1953-1980. That’s a fine example of disastrous US policy. You can look at dropping opinions of the US government and Americans worldwide to guess where it is going next. From Le Monde blaring “We are all American now” to the lowest opinion of the US in history…. took 5 years, just 5 years. Mission accomplished.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 pmOh and Tim those are not ‘liberal talking points’ those are historical facts I am talking about. Cheers.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:28 pmHi TerrytheTurtle, I’m not against your words. Yes, US should thank for USSR for this benefits. But we had some good activities right? Check what Soviet army did at East Prussia. And Roosevelt asking freedom for colonies was for American interests only. Whatever it helped million ppl free from slavery.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 pmWhat the f*, my long reply for Tim goes away.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 pm#131 - Sorry TP, it back.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:58 pmThe mystery of TP Yangho - they delete your posts, they ban your IP, no reason, no rhyme. Try talking about habeas corpus on tihs site….
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 pmLet talk about habeas corpus. Despite ppl think it proves our strong and furious, I think it is evidence of a weak and fear civil society. Our leaders said they are only one able protect US ppl and they believed in that. Only weak and fear civilians seek for protection from leaders. And it is the way leaders become rulers, historical facts. I love to repeat Benjamin Franklin quotes:
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:34 pm“The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.”
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”
#134 - right on 100% yangho. Habeas Corpus is the fundamental building block of western liberal democracy. Without it , it’s on to fascism. Forget a pre-911 mindset, the Buskeviks have a pre-1215 mindset.
October 24th, 2006 at 12:33 amI just hope that all republicans see things Novak’s way. In fact, I think Bob should ‎continue enlightening his GOP allies that the midterm elections are indeed irrelevant. — ‎So much so, they would just be wasting their time voting in November.
October 24th, 2006 at 3:05 amShould read
October 24th, 2006 at 7:18 amOkay Timmy time to take you down:
On our sites, people can post things like “Liberals should all be destroyed.” Indeed one Jason Hendler posted precisely that.
On your sites, because you are a bunch of cowards who are afraid of dissenting opinions, we can’t post anything because stating a reasoned argument that goes against you conservative thought is a banning offence. Of course, don’t let that double standard stop you from whining about freedom of speech when a troll on this site gets banned.
Which is to say you are pro voter supression and anti-giving the people the right to decide. You see, we on the left, we have honest positions. We believe that electronic voting should come with a paper trail because, you see, while most computer bods are lefties, and therefore we have the better hackers, we don’t want to “outwit” the public. You kind of have to rely on fooling people to vote for you.
And of course, not going to war with someone distinctly doing nothing doesn’t it. Yeah there are no solutions possible in this world that don’t involve getting your army tied down into a war which cannot be won are there Timmy? Yeah its not like the rest of the world was screaming that Bush’s little war in Iraq was stupid now is it?
Oh yeah, and us entitlement bums? Tell me, who were the rich elitists in the last elections? It seems there is a bit of a clash of rightwing memes going on here now doesn’t it, Timmy?
Oh, and talk about entitlement bums! Look at that deficit, look at that gloating about how much debt you are leaving your kids! Talk about Entitlements.
Gore would have made getting off of oil a priority, even before 9/11. Further before 9/11 Gore would have paid more attention to the various reports with titles like “Osama Bin Laden Determined to Attack the United States.”
If he failed to stop 9/11, which judging by past performance I feel he wouldn’t have, he would have moved to unify the country rather then try to dump all of the blame on Clinton, who one must point out, when faced with a similar incident one month into his reign, did not try to blame Bush Snr.
After 9/11 Gore would have still invaded Afghanistan, however he would not have gotten bored and invaded Iraq, because unlike Bush he would be more interested in actually catching the guy who attacked America, then trying to avenge Bush’s daddy. Remember, not only were there no Iraqi’s on those planes, not only were their no links between Osama and Saddam, but Saddam actually wanted Osama dead.
As Gore would be a Democrat President serving with a Republican Senate and Congress, the 9/11 report would have been more thorough and less reliant on Gore Employees as sources. Further, on 9/11 Gore would not have spent five shell shocked minutes waiting for someone to tell him what to do, only to go hide in a bunker somewhere, he would have followed the grand tradition of leaders with any balls, and flown straight to New York.
Gore especially wouldn’t go around alienating the rest of the world after 9/11, instead he would have worked to capitalise on the goodwill America acrued after that attack in order to bring down the political organisation of Al Qaiada - rather then strengthening it by giving it richer sponsors. Rightwingers like to piss around pretending this is a pure military campaign but the fact is that it is political.
Germany declared on America. Read a book. Seriously. After Pearl Harbour America declared war on Japan, Hitler, who allied with Japan, then declared on America. When somebody declares war on you, then guess what? You declare on them Timmy.
Our side believes, before you can kill terrorists, it would help if you knew who and where they were. Generally, if you want somebody who can find somebody, you get an investigator, it is what they do for a living. You move in the Army, when you need to invade a country, when you have a group, like Osama’s boys, which has small groups in multiple continents, you need to find out who they are, otherwise you are just wasting your time. Am I using words which are too big for you?
So you are against: Student loans, the police force, public education, road works, city planning, farm subsidies, corporate subsidies, elections, disaster management, minimum working standards, the military and indeed such wonderful things as waste disposal and managing your cities sewage. That is the bulk of what your country spends on social programs.
Oh, and the leftwing argument on illegal immigration? Treat the law as the law. First, fine the guy who is hiring illegal immigrants, for hiring illegal immigrants (Something you righties tend not to agree with, after all the difference between who has to obey the law and who makes the law should be based on who has the bigger bank account shouldn’t it?) Then you fine them for paying those illegal immigrants lower then minimum wage. Then you fine them for making illegal immigrants work under sub-standard conditions. Then you fine them if the immigrants are too young to work. Eventually after all of these fines, guess what? 1: You can fund social programs, and 2: You have less people hiring illegal immigrants.
Sound’s silly doesn’t it? After all we don’t have to use racial epithets to deal with what is a problem that’s solution is already within the law.
First off: Read up on Hitler. That was his plan. Have the government dictating values like “The Noble Peasant.” Second, you know what? What are family values? List them. There is no such thing as family values, there are only individual values. Values like hard work? Are you claiming liberals don’t work hard? Oh, of course, we are just living off the fat of land, because we believe that people should not be starving on our streets, and street kids hopped up on glue are not a great statement of American values.
Oh, and everything being overtaxed? Have you ever actually thought about what taxes are supposed to be for? You live in the last official world super-power. You have one of the wealtheist populations on earth. You have a advanced infrastructure which allows you to go anywhere in the country, so long as you can afford to pay for the cheapest petrol on Earth (The rest of us? We have to pay double what you pay) and you are moaning about having to pay what amounts to a little bit of tax? You are the world’s leader in debt, deficits, and currently, illwill. And you are bitching about having to pay a little bit of tax?
Tell you what, when America starts paying off its debts, when it starts practicing what it preaches to places like Africa, when it starts doing that, then you can moan about your taxes.
October 24th, 2006 at 8:20 amT the T
“I’ll take this one…HO.” How sweet T the T!
Good try! Problem with your side is a lack of patience and forward thinking. Terrorists are more patient than liberals. In fact, now that your blessed CNN has shown a jihadist snuff flick of our soldiers being shot, it proves that the left is in bed with the terrorists and can’t wait for the US to declare a pullout of Iraq…..won’t happen though, not as long as we have a REAL man in the WH. You used to think Reagan was a bumbling fool too, and guess what, he kicked your asses twice. Hmmm…Bush won twice too!
Without historians, it appears the left would utterly have NO plan or argument. The problem is that you believe 100% (mostly by lib idiots that can’t make the top ten on the NYT best seller list) of which you read. You might want to reduce that to 50% to better strengthen your view of the US. The other problem with your pethetic argument is that it IS NOT PROGRESSIVE! 911 changed the world whether you choose to believe it or not. We need to be on the offensive and attack them before they attack us.Do you think the terrorists woke up in 2001 after Bush won and sadi to themselves ” I’m going to be a terrorist now that Bush won”?
Your side says that WE are creating more terrorists by our so-called occupation of Iraq. So, is GB or Spain occupying anyone? Why did the terrorists attack them? Oh that’s right Bush made them do it. That’s the ticket, cause I read it somewhere.
It is also funny how the left twists history to make their pethetic talking points and to see just how illogical it sounds. You may want to ask a
In future posts, I refuse to use history to establish ideas and for any point from now on, I challenge you to use forward thinking to establish reason. In fact, please try to refrain from historical talking points to make your point. I’ll have considerably more respect for you if you can talk about the here and now and the future without dredging up the past.
For example: Lower taxes will grow our economy, rather than “Clinton created 50 billion jobs”. You might say that we need history to forge a future, however, thus far, all I see are typical talking points that aren’t forward thinking…what gives?????
I can’t wait for the remarks…I need a good laugh today.
PS. I was just listening to Rush and heard the great parody of your beloved Teddy calling Barack Obama, Osama Bin Laden….LOL! I almost cry laughing when I hear the left critisizing Bush over his vocab.
Now on to B&G Fish Co. Something stinks.
“Time to take me down”…I think not.
I couldn’t help but laugh when I read your response, and it is such incoherent blowhard liberal BS, I’m not sure I can respond in one posting. It may take a week or so. But it sounds as if you live either in a different country or on a different planet…which is it?
Let’s get to the nitty gritty..shall we.
Take a look at the US National Debt Clock and you’ll see that you are partially correct and partially incorrect. Our debt has increased significantly throughout the past four Presidents and yes, I know three have been Republicans. But Clinton made a pretty large contribution too.
It is now fact that we are reducing our deficit, even with reducing taxes, and the American people have more $ in their pockets, therefore generating more taxes. It’s a simple principle.
Family values are even more simple. Teach your kids to believe in God and that Jesus died for ALL of US, not just proclaimed Christians. Also teach them to work, learn, be kind to others but never, never turn your cheek on a terrorists or they’ll slit your throat. Simple as it may seem, it is all true.
October 24th, 2006 at 9:39 amTim, you are a liar. You have no arguments, those arguments you try to make are based on lies (For example, under Clinton, America had a record surplus, it was only six years ago Timmy or is your memory that weak) and lastly when you cannot argue, you claim it would take too long.
How about this: Answer on one point:
What did Germany do, after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour? Or is resorting to facts, and real history beyond your pea brain?
October 24th, 2006 at 11:15 amHey B&G fish Co.
Pull your head out of your ass and go to the National Debt Clock too see the debt not the federal deficit, you moron! Of course we all know Clinton left a surplus. Duh.
October 24th, 2006 at 11:39 amPeople that dwell on the past usually can’t see the future.
Actually, you guys lack of patience and forward thinking about Democracy. From 9/11, we gave up our liberty and turn back to totalitarian era. Let’s how we deal with Communism. We did not kill all of communists (Vietnam war lesson?), but we still won because we were patience in our Freedom and Democracy. We will win Terrorism by the same way. Again kill more terrorists, not eliminate terrorism, is it hard for you understand? We need a leader support our Freedom and Democracy and have international policies to eliminate terrorist thought.
911 change the world? NO again, terrorist attacked us but they never able change our culture, thoughts and our liberity. But we changed ourselves and terrorist WON. I can tell you, 9/11 terrorists are not Taliban nor Iraqis islamises. They hate us but those uneducated ppl have no chance to learn how to flight airplanes. Those terrorist idealists intently attacked American symbols. Ultimately they want destroy our Freedom value. And I can say, they’re winning.
Oho without historical facts, I cann’t tell us, how terrorism born. Terrorism is Imperialist own child.
Hehehe, Oh my godness. I won’t argue with your Jesus.
October 24th, 2006 at 12:20 pmLittle history lessons? Colonialism paid for their colonization. GB defeated in American Revolution. French defeated at DienBienPhu 2,293 dead, 5,193 wounded, and 11,800 captured (only 70 troops did escape). Why did the terrorists attack them? There was no Terrorism in that time, only National Liberations. I glad that both colonizers and former colonies overlooked harted.
October 24th, 2006 at 1:27 pmI rarely see a post from a lib on OUR conservative sites. Probably no juevos. Comment by Tim — October 23, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
I’ve gone to some of YOUR conservative sites. You have to register and log in to be able to post on most of YOUR conservative sites. At least you are free to post on a ‘lib’ site without having to provide your life history and log in. Typical Republican control tactics.
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