ThinkFast: October 23, 2006
ThinkFast: October 23, 2006
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder writes in a new book that Bush’s frequent references to God in their meetings before the Iraq war had made him wary. “What worried me, despite a relaxed atmosphere to our talks, and to a certain degree what made me skeptical was how much it came through that this president saw himself as ‘God-fearing’ and saw that as the highest authority,” he said.
“Majorities of Iraqi youth in Arab regions of the country believe security would improve and violence decrease if the U.S.-led forces left immediately, according to a State Department poll.”
Senators Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Arlen Specter (R-PA) called yesterday “for direct talks with North Korea aimed at easing a nuclear standoff.” Direct talks are “inevitable,” Lugar said. Specter added, “I think we ought to use every alternative, including direct bilateral talks.”
The Sudan peace agreement signed in May “is in disarray.” The “hardening conflict” is “increasingly taking place along porous borders among some of the least stable countries in Africa, threatening to ignite a wide conflagration in the heart of the continent.”
“Iceland broke a global moratorium on commercial whaling, killing an endangered fin whale for the first time since the 1980s.” Fin whales are on the International Conservation Union’s “red list” of endangered species.
A company headed by Neil Bush — President Bush’s brother — and partly owned by his parents is “benefiting from Republican connections and federal dollars targeted for economically disadvantaged students under the No Child Left Behind Act.”
“Nearly two million people in southern Afghanistan will need food aid this winter because of drought, the UN and Afghan government have warned. … The food shortage is being blamed on intensified fighting against Taliban insurgents in the troubled southern provinces and expanding cultivation of opium poppies instead of food.”
“Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-LA), already enmeshed in the ex-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) page scandal, now faces a new controversy” as a former staffer has sued Alexander’s chief of staff for “sexual advances,” “ogling and touching,” and other harassment.
And finally: ABC news profiles attractive congressional candidates. Some crack analysis: “When Democrat Diane Farrell ran for Congress two years ago, she wore her hair up in a bun. It was easier to manage. Since then, a campaign adviser has suggested that for this year’s run, she might want to consider wearing it down.”
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Watch Democracy Now. A very good program on the latest adminstration attempts to prop up the government of Iraq. They are trying to find someone outside the country to come in and take over. The Iraqis want us out so that they can heal. WE NEED TO GET OUT. It isn’t our decision to stay. It’s the Iraqis. They want us to leave.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:18 amBush makes me feel comfortable about the upcoming elections, after all god told him to invade Iraq, and told him that Katrina wouldn’t breach the levees. God told him to stay the course.
And anyone that claims god talks to them is plain friggen crazy..
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:21 amAmusing:
Is Sen. Specter once again barking with No Bite? Did he lose his rubber stamp?
Inquiring minds want to know…
If the ONLY reason for no direct talks is “It’s What They Want!“, then this Administration needs to stop sucking it’s thumb and engage in talks. If Direct Talks achieve our goals, Why not??
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:21 am300 US killed/wounded in Camp Falcon – Proofs – List of Evacuated
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/106376
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:28 amKeith Olbermann will be doing another Special Comment tonight.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:29 amCompare:
with:
and:
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 am
Here’s Susan B Anthony’s take on just that thing:
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 am
So many topics, so little time …
Only multilateral talks work with North Korea, because the US is not in a position to punish them when they break treaties. China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and Japan must negotiate with North Korea together, or else they won’t impose sanctions together. We saw how China evoked an apology from Kim Jung Il for his nuclear test this last week, so we are following the right process. Bilateral talks between US and North Korea failed under Clinton, because North Korea feared no sanctions from US, because China and Russia weren’t a party to the agreement, and would bypass US economic sanctions.
As for Darfur, thanks to Dems screaming for isolationism, the US will not get involved with the Sudan, even though it is going through the same struggle as Afghanistan against a Taliban-like movement. It truly is another front on the War On Terror, in which the US is completely absent – thanks to Dems. Just as well, the African Union doesn’t care either, sending only a token number of troops, so we should just let Africa be overrun by the muslims, Indians and Chinese – Africa is their manifest destiny.
Thanks to progs, Schumer and Emanuel are going to look like geniuses, because centrist Clintonista candidates will fare well in this election, while prog candidates like Lamont and Webb will lose be enormous margins. You truly are the vaccine our political system needed.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:40 amI’ll give Bush a reference to GOD in a minute……
But See
‘CIA STILL CANNOT AUTHENTICATE REPUBLICAN “THESE ARE THE STAKES” AD’
AT
http://www.defworld.blogspot.com
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:42 amThis is a guy “confessing” on YouTube re: a massacre a la my lai … Of course I thought it’s a hoax but it’s too damn real-sounding. Please have someone check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh0wFtLyPSI
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 am#4 christy2,
I’m not saying this didn’t happen, but keep in mind that the term “casualties” refers to both killed and wounded. Not all 300 of our “casualties” were, necessairly, fatalities. I am trying to find independent confirmation of this story, too, including exactly how many people were killed. (Some definitely were, according to every report I’ve read, but those reports are unclear as to whether these casualties were Iraqi or some other nation’s such as ours.)
If you find any more reliable information, do post a link.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 amNavy Seals implicated in massacre – check my homepage!!
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 amA company headed by Neil Bush — President Bush’s brother — and partly owned by his parents is “benefiting from Republican connections and federal dollars targeted for economically disadvantaged students under the No Child Left Behind Act.â€
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:44 amThis is the same business ‘Babs’ made her Katrina contributions to…at least someone is benefitting from the
‘Every Child Left Behind’ farce. Boy, the Bushies know how to
take cronyism to a whole new level, eh?
If Bush had been more “God-loving” than “God-fearing”, his policies might have been better for us all.
“When Republicans ran for Congress two years ago, they wore their hair-brained ideology up in Bush’s bun. It was easier to get elected. Since then, current campaign advisers have suggested that for this year’s run, they might want to consider toning their connection with Bush down.â€
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:46 am- like Mike DeWine (R-OH) claiming to be “independent” LOL
ABC news profiles attractive congressional candidates. Some crack analysis: “When Democrat Diane Farrell ran for Congress two years ago, she wore her hair up in a bun. It was easier to manage. Since then, a campaign adviser has suggested that for this year’s run, she might want to consider wearing it down.â€
Oh, for f*ck’s sake…
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:54 amJason,
So many topics, so much spin. Clinton, Clinton, when do you idiots drop the Blame Clinton war cry? Let’s face the facts:
Nukes tested under Clinton = 0 (8 years in office)
Nukes tested under Bush = 1 (6 years in office)
Seems like Clintons strategy worked pretty damn good to me. Now turn back on the Radio I think Rush has more talking points you can spew.
And blaming dems for Darfur, BULL SHIT, who controls congress? Who has signing statements where he pretty much does what he wants?
Now STFU, you’re retarded talking points carry no weight here. Why not hang out on redstate where you idiots can circle jerk together. Maybe you can get Foley to lick up the mess.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 am#5 – Wayne, thanks for the heads-up.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 am#8 – “…thanks to Dems screaming for isolationism,…”
Despite the Dems screaming, all the Republican legislation over the last several years in favor of corporate and authoritarian America has been passed and signed into law. If the party in control of both the Congress and Executive Branch wanted to act on Darfur, they would and could, no matter what the Dems said.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:03 am#16, MakesYaStink,
As a true debator, I was criticizing the bilateral approach of the Clinton administration, not Clinton himself. Your argument that N. Korea didn’t test nuclear weapons under the Clinton administration is like saying Al Queida never attacked New York during the Clinton administration. It was negligence / incompetence of the Clinton administration that led to both 9/11 and N. Korea’s nuclear test, but hey, otherwise Clinton is a great guy (aside from his sexual assaults on women).
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:16 amI wish God would whisper in Junior’s ear;
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:18 amResign you incompetent weenie!
**yawn**
Jason, SSDD
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:19 amIt was negligence / incompetence of the Clinton administration that led to both 9/11 and N. Korea’s nuclear test, but hey, otherwise Clinton is a great guy (aside from his sexual assaults on women).
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
No, that would be the republicans – who’ve coddled terrorists since the ’80’s. Now, back to your fairy, tale . . .
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:20 amJason Hendler
You really short-change the historical precedents set down by our leaders when you write, “It was negligence / incompetence of the Clinton administration that led to both 9/11 and N. Korea’s nuclear test”. Clearly, it was the fault of Adam and Eve because they raised Cain, who killed Abel and started the terrorism trend.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:21 am…sudan…
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:25 amdid anyone here see 60minutes last night?
the segment about darfur refugees… looking for a boy who’s school books were found in his burnt-out village…
did you look at those school notes? that was no primitive scratching – which i’m sure most americans think is all those people are capable of…
and the refugees in the camp!
have you ever seen such beautiful people?! every one of those children was just just that – beautiful…
i had a feeling that maybe the people seeing that story may have been enlightened and their hearts softened…
.
PLC,
Remember, Hendler has put aside his “faith” in order to defeat his powerful enemy (us) with his mighty keyboard.
I like that one, though — Blame the Parents. :)
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:26 amZooey
Of course, and Hendler et al also tend to put aside their “brains” in order to support this administration.
I am glad there are trolls, though. They make such great “bad examples” and are fun to watch flapping around in the winds of truth. Without them, the seriousness of the political atmosphere would be too much to bear.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:34 amCaption Contest:
Schroeder: Konrad Adenauer worked with Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy…And me? Look at the chimp I got…
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:35 amLet’s critique Jason’s comments, shall we?
As a true debator
WRONG…a true distractor, maybe, but never a debator
I was criticizing the bilateral approach of the Clinton administration, not Clinton himself.
followed by
otherwise Clinton is a great guy (aside from his sexual assaults on women).
Nope, no attack there
Your argument that N. Korea didn’t test nuclear weapons under the Clinton administration is like saying Al Queida never attacked New York during the Clinton administration
Yep, that is exactly the argument. N.Korea nukes during Clinton’ era…none (end of story). New York attacks during Clinton (one, and perpetrators caught, convicted, and jailed) New York attacks during Bush (more than one, lest ye forget the Anthrax mailings. 6 years later, main perpetrator, still at large)
It was negligence / incompetence of the Clinton administration that led to both 9/11 and N. Korea’s nuclear test
I absolutely love the “when all else fails, blame Clinton” card! It has proven, time and time again, that unilateral talks with NK prevented any Nuclear weapons deployment. Once dubya “reneged”, guess who went back to rebuilding?
Jason, your tactics are misleading and misguiding. You come off sounding intelligent, but then you post stuff like “Stanford, an Ivy league school”, or “Don’t worry, no liberal will ever protect you and your country”, or “Dan Quayle was set up to misspell potato”, or my personal favorite, “I can suspend my Christianity”
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:35 amWith statements like these, it just proves that you, my friend, are no great debator
Hey Jason,
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:38 amSo all the bad things and paybacks that the rest of the world will be giving to the US after bushie is out of office for say 10 years will be his responsibility. Would you agree with this?
Caption Contest:
“Shit, I can see right through the gap between his ears…”
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 amLet’s critique Jason’s comments, shall we?
Nah, let’s just make fun of them. A critique is a waste of time unless the source of the critiqued material is open to honest feedback and change, which does not fit JMH. So, let’s just enjoy the sport of troll bashing.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:45 amNow that’s funny, TerrytheTurtle!
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:47 amUS Armada In Place For Iran War?
23rd of October 2006
by Jay Randal
The Iraq War/Occupation is a horrendous fiasco, but nonetheless President George W. Bush wants another debacle war, so he dispatched a naval armada to Iran.
Over this past weekend the taskforce fleet arrived off the coastline of Iran, now in place for the Pentagon’s orders to launch an attack, waiting for the go-ahead.
Bush can just nod to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, whenever he so chooses, then the Navy and Air Force can fire the cruise missiles and drop the bombs on Iran.
The Bush Regime does not seem to care to notify the Congress of its intentions , but nor do members of the House/Senate seem concerned , so war looms now.
A premeditated attack on another sovereign nation is a criminal act of aggression, not much different from Hitler’s attack on Poland, but the press acts oblivious.
Most Americans are too busy working, with concerns about their families, to notice the brewing war on Iran and unaware that the conflict might become WWIII.
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amHey Jason,
So all the bad things and paybacks that the rest of the world will be giving to the US after bushie is out of office for say 10 years will be his responsibility. Would you agree with this?
Comment by dlet
Okay Jason….let’s say 8 years.
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:01 amdlet
You could change that to “even ten minutes, while Bush is in office” and people like Jason will still absolve Bush of any responsibility. I have a theory on that – based on cognitive dissonance, the 35% die-hard Bushies cannot hold Bush accountable for his policies and their consequences, because doing so would mean holding themselves responsible for electing him.
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 amPLC,
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:19 amAin’t great when you ban get a troll’s brain to get stuck in a feedback loop. They seem like programmed bots and when the logic doesn’t make sense they disappear or spout something totally insane. Jason must need to have a Kool-aid bath.
And anyone that claims god talks to them is plain friggen crazy..
Comment by MakesYaThink — October 23, 2006 @ 9:21 am
I am beyond sick of the “God Bless America” folks…
Fine if you wanna believe that nonsense, just stop acting like you’re in the majority and it’s a fact, not a ‘believe’ system based on speculation and hope rather than facts or evidence. Only 33% of the world’s population shares your beliefs. The other 67% is sick of them… Keep them out of our business.
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:24 amComment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 23, 2006 @ 9:40 am
Speaking of wackos who think a god speaks to him…
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:25 amAfter a brief brush with 40%, W’s approval ratings are now sinking again, down to a miserable 35% in the latest Newsweek poll
Newsweek 10/19-20/06
Approve 35
Dis 57
Huh? 8
Diff -22
NBC/Wall Street Journal RV
10/13-16/06
App 38
Dis 57
Whaaa? 5
Diff -19
CNN 10/13-15/06
App 36
Dis 61
Err, Um…3
Diff -25
Gallup 10/9-12/06
Yay 37
Boo 57
Oh Well 6
Diff -20
FOX/Opinion Dynamics LV 10/10-11/06
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 amWhee! 40
Geez~ 56
Shrug 4
Diff -16
otherwise Clinton is a great guy (aside from his sexual assaults on women).
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 23, 2006 @ 10:16 am
Excuse me sexist pig, but Monica pursued Clinton, by her own words.
You are not one to be calling the kettle black when it comes to women’s issues. You’re as chauvanistic as they come.
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 amI wish God would whisper in Junior’s ear;
Resign you incompetent weenie!
Comment by RUCerious — October 23, 2006 @ 10:18 am
heh heh :)
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:29 amCaption Contest:
“Achtung, look at that earwax, no wonder he never listens to anyone.”
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amCaption Contest:
“McFly, hey McFly!”
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:45 am#41 – hey UB – “The God Delusion” Richard Dawkins…. you know it makes sense.
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amCaption Contest:
“Now the howler monkey sounds like this…”
October 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 amSchroeder is wondering,
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 pm“Does it bite?”
hey UB – “The God Delusion†Richard Dawkins…. you know it makes sense.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 23, 2006 @ 11:46 am
Hey,
The spam filters behaving with you? I was beginning to wonder if you worked at the same company as IRI :)
I saw Dawkins on Colbert, but the book reviews weren’t so great, so I was planning to get the revised edition of The Atheist Universe. Though, Natural Atheism is still one of the best books I have ever read (was dry, but so intelligent and more ammunition for the people who show up at your door looking to convert or condemn :).
Did you read The God Delusion?
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:02 pmFunny caption contest entries all! Though I really like Terry’s first entry. Hilarious.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmWell, I have spent two periods in the penalty box at TP for no reason given. I’ve been back out about a month, but I’ve been refusing to post while TP totally avoided the ‘habeas corpus’ issue. I’ve found TP’s agenda to be showing more and more and less impressed with their coverage. I am polygamous again and not posting much these days.
I’m halfway through Dawkins, he shines sometimes, but other times is stretching (especially on his strawmem demolition of the Gospels – he should have left that to someone else). I’ll probably go back over his earlier works, though. Still, Dawkins convinced me that I was in fact a ‘de facto atheist’ after all, so I learned something.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pm#47 – I was beginning to wonder if you worked at the same company as IRI
Haven’t seen Adolf in a long time. Maybe he volunteered to go shoot brown people or is hiding out in Idaho. Thought I might have parked next to him at the Outback on Westheimer Road last week – big f** off pick up with gun rack and fat wheels, occupied two parking spots deliberately (a bit like stuffing a pair of socks in your crotch).
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:14 pmAs always, progressive sinners pratice bad judgement in criticizing our beloved President for seeking the Lord Jesus Christ. Read Psalms 9: 17. If more of you sought God’s advice and leadership in all situations, maybe you wouldn’t be so hateful. Jesus’ will shall prevail. Republicans will win the majority of the House and Senate. Smoke that in your pipe Satan.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmBarrons lead story was how the GOP will RETAIN the House and Senate. Saying that money spent is a much more reliable indicator of who will win the election compared to unreliable polling data.
The GOP will lose 8 seats in the House. Worse case scenario 14. Not enough to hand the reigns to the Democrats.
According to Barrons, the candidate who spends the most money wins 93% of the time and in recent years that number is 98% of the time.
In the Senate, the candidate who spends the most wins 89% of the time. Barrons predicts the GOP will lose 3 Senate seats.
rotflmao
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 pmStill, Dawkins convinced me that I was in fact a ‘de facto atheist’ after all, so I learned something.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 23, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
A de facto Atheist? I didn’t realize that we come in flavors… Thought that was the beauty of Atheism – it isn’t about catagorizing ourselves into subgroups of something that is basically a dismissal of a system that does… :)
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmToday’s Washington Post is reporting that Armstrong Williams has reached a settlement with the government in the propaganda case. He will pay a fine (about $34,000) and admit no wrong-doing. I tried to post a link to the story before, but TP deleted my comment after I saw it here.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 pmJesus’ will shall prevail!
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmWhich probate court is it filed with?
Haven’t seen Adolf in a long time. Maybe he volunteered to go shoot brown people or is hiding out in Idaho.
Funny. He was certainly paranoid, that one. I don’t think he’d really shoot people for sport, like some of the trolls around here. It would require leaving the perceived false security of his world.
Thought I might have parked next to him at the Outback on Westheimer Road last week – big f** off pick up with gun rack and fat wheels, occupied two parking spots deliberately
That sounds like him alright… :)
(a bit like stuffing a pair of socks in your crotch).
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 23, 2006 @ 12:14 pm
Don’t the guys with the big trucks have to do that? Isn’t that why they have the big trucks – to compensate?
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pm#51 – whoah too many viewings of the “Passion of the Christ” – cool down Thomas Aquinas. I thought the President was elected by the people to uphold the Constitution, not appointed by some mythical Flying Spaghetti Monster analogue to do his ‘will’.
Anyhow, watch out St Darryl, Teddy’s calling you out:
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pm“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country.â€
-Theodore Roosevelt
“To announce there must be no criticism of the President, and to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, it is morally treasonous to the American public.â€
– President Theodore Roosevelt
Are you unpatriotic, servile, morally treasonous or all three?
#56, ah well, I find it’s a great place to keep a spare pair nice and warm for those unexpected moments when you step into a puddle – I hate having wet feet. Strange for a turtle I know, this aversion to water.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmRead Psalms 9: 17.
I have. It sucked.
If more of you sought God’s advice and leadership in all situations, maybe you wouldn’t be so hateful.
If there is no god, then how can it give me advice? I used to pray, religiously, andbelieved all the same nonsense that you do. It did NOTHING. Might as well talk to the wall. What makes things happen is knowledge and action. When you have that, you don’t need to look to non-entities to solve your issues in life. Why there are proportionally far less of us in prison.
We’re not the hateful ones who are killing other people to make us feel better about boogeymen. Hypocrite.
Jesus’ will shall prevail. Republicans will win the majority of the House and Senate. Smoke that in your pipe Satan.
Comment by Daryll — October 23, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
Jesus is dead. Neocons will lose. And wedon’t believe in Satan either – nor Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy…
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmwhoah too many viewings of the “Passion of the Christ†– cool down Thomas Aquinas.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 23, 2006 @ 12:30 pm
We’ve missed your wit…
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmRUCerious, do I sense sarcasm toward our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Bush handled each political and war-time issue correctly. The bible says, “seek ye first the kingdom of god”. That’s something that I know your party won’t practice, because your party is consisted of ill repute (view Hillary Clinton’s and John Kerry’s thoughts). We will continue to lead our country by God’s law, Amen.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 pm#51 I had another go at this:
“As always, infidels pratice bad judgement in criticizing our beloved Imam for seeking the Prohpet. Read Koran, Curry That 1 verses 3-6. If more of you sought Allahs’s advice and leadership in all situations, maybe you wouldn’t be so hateful. Allah’s will shall prevail. The Party of God (or Hezbollah to you) will win the majority of the House and Senate. Smoke that in your pipe Great Satan.”
St Darryl, stop paraphrasing Khameni’s stuff, he’ll get a fatwah on you for plagarism.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:38 pm#61: sounds like:
“do I sense sarcasm toward our great Prophet Mohammed? Bush handled each political and war-time issue correctly. The Koran says, “seek ye first the kingdom of Allahâ€. That’s something that I know your party won’t practice, because your party is consisted of ill repute (view Hillary Clinton’s and John Kerry’s thoughts). We will continue to lead our country by Allah’s law, prasie be to Allah. ”
Hmmm. Please, if you are going to drink the Jim Jones Kool Aid would you do us a favour and stand near a Waster Management station – we need to conserve resources – there’s a war on, don’t you know?
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:42 pmunbelievable, maybe if you cease your sinful ways, and live your life biblically, Jesus will give you insight. Hate 9:17, O.K., your sin will take you to hell if you don’t change your ways. That’s the reason why I love President Bush, he’s a man of god/morals/values.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 pmDarryl ! Congratulations! You accurately sensed sarcasm, not necessarily toward your Lord and Saviour, but toward your continued belief that any God would take a political position. You are a prime example of why the founding fathers made a CLEAR break between religion and politics.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 pmIf I offended you, good.
Darryl the Prophet –
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmWasn’t there also something about “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and unto God the things that are God’s” or something like that?
Glad the Disney’s World News Tonight provided such in-depth analysis of important congressional races. I don’t know about most of you guys, but I only vote for candidates who wear their hair down. I mean, really. Who in their right mind would vote for a candidate with their hair up? That’s so 20th century.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:46 pmStrange for a turtle I know, this aversion to water.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 23, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
: )
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:48 pmI was going to take a stab at Mr. Hendler’s inane rants, but I see I am late to the party. Some of you already took apart his sad attempts at blaming Clinton. However, there are two statement I would like to address:
[...]the US will not get involved with the Sudan, even though it is going through the same struggle as Afghanistan against a Taliban-like movement.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 23, 2006 @ 9:40 am
I have already corrected Mr. Hendler many times but he keeps repeating this warped version of the facts, proving to me he is no “debator” but a willful obfuscator and distorter of the events around him.
Sudan’s Janjaweed are unlike the Afghanistan’s Taliban in more than one way:
The Taliban were an insurgent group against a foreign occupation. The Janjaweed are a pro-government militia, being used to put down a separatists movement in Darfur.
The Taliban had foreign funds, and weapons. The Janjaweed are funded, and armed by the Sudanese government
The Taliban’s were a fundamentalist religious movement, bent on creating a Islamic state. The Janjaweed are motivated by money and power Sudan’s government allows them to have.
The only thing the two groups have in common is that they are Muslim. That “connection” is enough for Mr. Hendler to try to establish non-existing parallels.
so we should just let Africa be overrun by the muslims
Yeah, would someone please help Sudan before it is overrun by Muslims? While you are it, would you help Egypt or Morocco too?
Hello, Mr. Hendler? Close to 70% of all Sudanese are Muslim. I already told you several times. Moreover, close to half of all Africans are Muslim.
Keep repeating your nonsense. It shows your wanton dishonesty.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:48 pm#64 – Sorry to butt in here old chap but er, “judge not lest you might be judged”. Thanks awfully, must go…
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 pmThat’s the reason why I love President Bush, he’s a man of god/morals/values.
Comment by Daryll
Okay, now I know you are being sarcastic. This absolutely cracked me up! Thank you for such fine wit and humour
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmThe bible says, “seek ye first the kingdom of godâ€.
So? The Koran, and Torah say a lot of stuff too. We just dismiss one more religious book than you do. And yours is no less silly.
That’s something that I know your party won’t practice, because your party is consisted of ill repute (view Hillary Clinton’s and John Kerry’s thoughts).
You, the murders, call us immoral? That’s rich.
We will continue to lead our country by God’s law, Amen.
Comment by Daryll — October 23, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
No, you won’t continue to lead this nation by corruption and lies. Your days are numbered.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:51 pmGregor, now be nice. Mr Hendler is a masterdebator.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmThat’s the reason why I love President Bush, he’s a man of god/morals/values.
Dammit, now I wet my pants and my spare pare of socks…
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmJesus Christ (whomever your are), Jesus said, “GO YE IN TO THE ALLLLLL THE WORLD AND PREACH HIS BLESSINGS AND GOSPEL”. You just can’t take it that an actual President seeks God. Do I sense conviction?
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 pmunbelievable, maybe if you cease your sinful ways,
Sinful? I’m a vegan pascifist. That makes me more moral than those of you condoning the murder of innocent Iraqi civilians and American troops.
If there were a god, he’s sooner approve of me using my brain to condemn your evil ways than he would of you speaking words you do not practice.
and live your life biblically, Jesus will give you insight.
Jesus died a couple thousand years ago. Not much he’s doing for anyone – including molested children and cancer patients.
Hate 9:17, O.K., your sin will take you to hell if you don’t change your ways.
There is no Hell. Unless you include reading your inane rants…
That fear-mongering bullsh!t doesn’t work on people like me who know the TRUTH… god IS dead!
That’s the reason why I love President Bush, he’s a man of god/morals/values.
Comment by Daryll — October 23, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
No he isn’t. He’s a genocidal hypocrite without an ounce of morality or compassion. And you’re a fool for ‘believing’ otherwise.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmGregor, now be nice. Mr Hendler is a masterdebator.
Oh my, my sides hurt now. Where I come from it’s called “laughing so hard your shell separates”.
October 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 pmJesus Christ (whomever your are), Jesus said, “GO YE IN TO THE ALLLLLL THE WORLD AND PREACH HIS BLESSINGS AND GOSPELâ€.
Comment by Daryll — October 23, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
He also said that you should be private with your religion.
Sounds like Jeebus was either misquoted (gasp!) or a hypocrite… Explains why so many Christains are.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:00 pmJesus Christ (whomever your are), Jesus said, “GO YE IN TO THE ALLLLLL THE WORLD AND PREACH HIS BLESSINGS AND GOSPELâ€. You just can’t take it that an actual President seeks God. Do I sense conviction?
Comment by Daryll
He also had something to say about those who make conspicuous demonstrations of their piety.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmBush seeks money and he is exploiting Christians’ blind devotion to anybody else who claims to be faithful.. Get a clue. When has he actually done anything to benefit the average faithful American?
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pmYa’ll are all absolutely hilarious today…
But Daryll is making me laugh the most!
:D
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pmUnbelievable,
I really do think “Darryl” is being sarcastic. There is no way anyone is that obtuse. Not even Mr. Hendler -and he does set the bar.
RUCerious,
“masterdebator”? lol
That’s about the only way he can get close to “debating”…
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 pmSmoke that in your pipe Satan.
Comment by the church lady—
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:04 pmDaryll,
Jesus Christ may be your Lord and Savior, but not mine. I would appreciate it if you would not refer to Christ using the first person plural possessive form. (Say “my”, not “our”.)
And “Hate 9:17″??? Is that supposed to be some biblical chapter and verse you’re quoting? I may be an atheist, but I’m fairly certain there’s no book in the Bible called “The Book of Hate”. Not that you could tell that from the way the religious right acts in this country.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmaccording to the 60minute story last night, the bush administration won’t use a hard line with sudan because of the information sudan has about osama and co…. after 5 years… still…
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmand the genocide goes on…
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I really do think “Darryl†is being sarcastic. There is no way anyone is that obtuse. Not even Mr. Hendler -and he does set the bar.
I guess living in the South with people who sound exactly like Daryll, I think he’s probably serious. He’s been around before spouting similar nonsense.
If he’s parody, he’s damn good at it.
Daryll, if you’re satire – you’re the man! If not, you are seriously disturbed.
That’s about the only way he can get close to “debatingâ€â€¦
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 23, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
Jason is lonely.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmAlright, I swore that I wasn’t going to spend my entire Fall Break at Think Progress. It’s just so darn addictive…
Gonna go for a walk … But I shall return…
Was a blast, as always, guys. Ya’ll, and my students, restore my optimism in humanity. Would just like to add November 7th to that list : )
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:11 pmi know i was hoping darrell was a parody, but those
AMERICAN TALIBAN are still thick as thieves around here…
trueblue’s cartoon works best for the world –
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmmilitant agnostic: “i don’t know, and neither do you.”
but, as a pacifist myself, you don’t have to be militant to think that way…
…
Gregor Samsa, believe it. I’m a Jesus fanatic and consider those who love Jesus as my brothers and sisters in Christ. George Bush loves Jesus so he’s my brother in christ. I consider the rest of you dems as my associates because you’re not in the realm of god. Follow Acts 2:38.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmDaryll does remind me of my maternal grandfather.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 pmHe was a drunken SOB who proclaimed himself a preacher.
He’d lecture us, just like Daryll, when we were kids. We all learned about being saved from that reprobate.
I did, however, inherit my musical talent from him, so it just goes to show, even Daryll must have some redeeming quality in him. Like his penchant for entertaining us with his religiosity.
I’m a Jesus fanatic and consider those who love Jesus as my brothers and sisters in Christ
Then you consider me a brother! I just because I disagree with pretty much everything that you believe with this administration, you still love me?
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:21 pmAwesome dude
I’m a Jesus fanatic and consider those who love Jesus as my brothers and sisters in Christ. Comment by Daryll
I’m a Jesus “fanatic” also, but because of his message, not some supposed divinity. You can take the message to heart without glorifying the messenger. And I’m sure this view damns me to hell . . .
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmGeorge Bush [...] he’s my brother in christ. [...] you’re not in the realm of god.
Comment by Daryll — October 23, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
A Jesus fanatic who isn’t careful enough to capitalise the words “Christ” and “God”.
I rest my case.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:29 pmIs it just me or does the Chancellor seem to be thinking, “I can’t decide if this guy is a total nut job or is he just inconveniently stupid?”
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:32 pmDRxJ, barfly, before you can consider yourself a child of god, do you commit fornication, adultery, drink strong drink (beer liquor), covet thy neighbor’s property, lie, cheat, steal, use the lord’s name in vein, divorce your mate and re-marry, lust the opposite sex, curse, judge, etc.? If you continuously commit these sins without fear then you’re not a child of god and a brother or sister of mine in christ. Jesus loves you.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:34 pmJesus loves you, Daryll does not.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 pmGeorge Bush […] he’s my brother in christ. […] you’re not in the realm of god.
Comment by Daryll — October 23, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
A Jesus fanatic who isn’t careful enough to capitalise the words “Christ†and “Godâ€.
I rest my case.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
But he did capitalize George Bush. I guess we can see whom he holds inthe highest regard. He is worshipping the Golden Calf.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:40 pm“covet thy neighbor’s property, lie, cheat, steal” – well that wraps it up for capitalism, I suppose.
judge – oops St Darryl, I guess that bans you from the happy clappy club… that’s a tough break. Let’s recap where Darryl falls on the ’stony ground’ here: “unbelievable, maybe if you cease your sinful ways, and live your life biblically,”
Over to you JC: “Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.”
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pmBut he did capitalize George Bush
But the president should either be referred to as Mr. President or Mr. Bush, nothing more familiar, like, say, Bush. Or Ass.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pmHow about Mr. President Bush Ass? Is that okay Wilco?
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 pmIn case anyone was interested, I’m out of the happy club, big time.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 pmHowever, I do know who I am, and am at peace with myself. Most of the teachings of the masters are varying iterations of the golden rule, not the golden calf.
President Bush is ok, too. But President Assclown is not.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:47 pmJames 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Doesn’t sound much like BushCo or its minions.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:48 pmWilco – Does that mean that Mr Presidunce is not OK?
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 pmor Mr. Dumbf*ckingJackassPrezidunce?
How about Mr. President Bush Ass?
Yes. Definitely.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 pmBut he did capitalize George Bush.
Comment by dlet — October 23, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
You noticed that too, didn’t you? I missed to mention it.
As for your Golden Calf comment, that’s been my opinion for the last couple of years or so. The Bush apologists have morphed into something far more dangerous: They are a cult-like following now. And as such, there is no swaying them with facts or evidence.
I never thought I’d live long enough to see such a social transformation in the US, from a representative secular democracy with accountability to a authoritarian leadership claiming divine guidance. We live in interesting times, indeed.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmRUCerious, I’d say the first one is fine because I really don’t think he’d notice.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmI retract part of my comment to Daryll. I misunderstood what I was reading earlier, and I now see that you meant something else when you wrote “Hate 9:17″. I understand what I did wrong. Sorry about that.
But he’s still not my savior, so don’t call him “our”.
October 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pmOr maybe there is a Book of Hate in his bible. Think outside of the box, man.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 pmThe coming of the Lord is nye? Are you ready, huh dems?
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pmDaryl
I prefer sourdough, rather than rye. And make it a Reisling, instead of Concord.
And, most importantly, don’t let any self-righteous, neocon-spouting Christian Pharisee touch it first!
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 pmThe coming of the Lord is nye? Are you ready, huh dems?
Comment by Daryll
Lord of the Dance is coming back? Got my tappy shoes ready. Thanks for the heads up Daryll.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pmDaryll, I hate to break this to you, but the bible is a work of fiction, written by men who were seeking power by invoking God. Buddah was a man, Jesus was a man, Mohammad was a man.
Jesus may have been more spiritual than most, but his message has been perverted over the years by people seeking to have power and exert control over others such as yourself.
How, you might ask, do I know this? The answer is simple. I talked to him. He’s a nice guy, but kind of sad that so many thousands and thousands of people have been killed by others claiming to follow his teachings.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:16 pmThe coming of the Lord is nye?
He’s Bill Nye? The science guy? Well I never saw that coming.. I must admit.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:19 pm111 – then there’s a nice chianti, with fava beans. sorry, that’s bad.
but then Christians re-create the last great human sacrifice, symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood in weekly ritualistic fashion.
Daryll – the word is “nigh,” not “nye.”
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmThere you are BNF. You left your coat last time you stopped by. And I thought you were going to take some of those puff pastries of mine home with you. Perhaps you were being a bit polite with me when you said you liked them so much. That’s ok, I understand. People are always misquoting me too. Texas Hold ‘Em next time eh?
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:22 pm114 TerrytheTurtle
Now THAT is funny.
Oh, the cognitive dissonance for BushCo – believe in the second coming AND believe in a science supporter!
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:24 pmBriseadh na Faire, blasphemy!!!!
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:29 pmDaryll, hypocrisy!!!!!
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmdlet, bring your tap shoes and sarcasm and prepare your behind for heat 10 times the actual temperature of lava. Don’t take my words lightly about his coming. Don’t let it be too late because there won’t be any excuses.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmDaryll, which part? Are you suggesting Jesus doesn’t like fava beans?
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pm119 – Daryll, and what is it when Bush says he consults a higher father?
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:39 pmdlet, bring your tap shoes and sarcasm and prepare your behind for heat 10 times the actual temperature of lava. Don’t take my words lightly about his coming. Don’t let it be too late because there won’t be any excuses.
Comment by Daryll
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard all of this in my past life. See we are all reincarnated. Prove me wrong…also the millions that believe this. Just as believable as the nebulous heaven place where we all live for eternity in peace. I guess when you live in your own little hell you have to look forward to something.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:42 pmToday’s religion is tomorrow’s mythology.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:47 pmBriseadh na Faire: “but then Christians re-create the last great human sacrifice, symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood in weekly ritualistic fashion.”
They have given us a “culture of death,” havn’t they.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:54 pm#123 That’s right dlet, I’ve made it all the way up to turtle, although getting off that beach in Costa Rica was a son-of-a-bitch. Anyone got any suggestions which species I should go for next? I fancied polar bear, but this global warming thing has me freaked out.
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:54 pmDaryll: “blasphemy!!!!”
You’re a real hoot, Daryll. Here’s a couple lines from Frank Zappa for you:
Foolish rules of ancient date,
October 23rd, 2006 at 2:56 pmDesigned to make you all feel great,
While you bend, fold and mutilate
Those unbelievers from the neighboring state.
Anyone got any suggestions which species I should go for next? Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Not that I’d wish an imminent tranformation, mind you, but wouldn’t an American Bald Eagle flying over Washington or Crawford, TX and dropping a load right on top of Bush just be a form of heaven?
October 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmTerrytheTurtle,
October 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmYou type really well for a reptile. I was thinking of going for some kind of bird next. I have a long list of names with “turd bomb” written next to them.
Ah, PLC you pre-empted my funny.
October 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmHey where did St Darryl go? Watch out, don’t answer that door bell, last time they were over I had to drop on the ground and speak in tongues before they gave up.
October 23rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmYa’ll are hilarious. I’m utterly convinced that Jon Stewart peruses this website for material…. :)
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October 23rd, 2006 at 7:40 pmBriseadh na Faire, blasphemy!!!!
Comment by Daryll
Uh oh, now you’re going to the hot place.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:41 pmWhat do you think of Costa Rica?
Zooey, I was very young. woke up with sand in my mouth, legged it a couple of hundred yards into the sea across a beach bombarded by diving birds. Most of my homies were eaten alive. Me, I was lucky. Now that I’m all grown up I’m thinking of a beach condo. I don’t hold a grudge.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:59 pm