“We’re on the verge of chaos,
By on Oct 23rd, 2006 at 6:00 pm
“We’re on the verge of chaos,
and the current plan is not working,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said today. “Asked who in particular should be held accountable — Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, perhaps, or the generals leading the war — Graham said: ‘All of them. It’s their job to come up with a game plan’ to end the violence.”
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But that shouldn’t stop us from putting 500,000 troops into North Korea, as advised by Roger_Roger.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:08 pmwhatever you do don’t blame Bush for this screwup……..I mean he is only the CIC
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:14 pmWow. Shit’s a fracturin’….fast.
I find it amusing that these Generals go along with Rummy, with the idea that loyalty to him will shield them from criticism, and WHAM, Linday’s tars them, anyways.
“I was misquoted, taken out of context, and my English got lost in the translation”, said Lindsey Graham, on the 7 pm EST edition of Fox News.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:16 pm_ _ _ k Linsey Graham. I watched him lick his chops one too many times when they went after Clinton. This guy is Dorian Gray………all American Southern Boy on the outside, rotting corpse on the inside.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:20 pmI remember the times when this was considered treasonous talk.
I don’t trust any of the Bush sycophants, warhawks, and assorted enablers that suddenly have changed their mind.
Since the Bush administration is letting war critics from within speak their mind, it seems to me they are is looking for a way to leave Iraq and still save face. Either that or this is just rhetoric in a desperate attempt to sway voters in the upcoming elections.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:21 pm“Quick, make my codpiece bigger! I gotta show America that it’s actually fulla somethin’!” – Commander Codpiece
Btw, Assclowns of the Week #50: Part Two is up, for anyone who cares. Personally, I think this half (13-1) is better than last night’s.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:21 pmGraham is such a lapdog — he’ll take it all back and apologize to little king George for speaking out of turn.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:22 pmweeeeel see!
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:22 pmFunny how honesty and flexibility are the new Republican buzzwords.
Wasn’t this the platform the cost Kerry the election?
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:22 pmGraham concluded the interview by saying, “now if you’ll excuse me I have to go falsify some official records.”
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:23 pm[...] The guy in charge? His name is George. [...]
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:30 pmGregor,
Warhawks are people that have served in the military, al la John Murtha and Linsey Graham (kind of, JAG). But, most of Bushies group are chickenhawks. They haven’t served.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pmWow Graham too now…
That just goes to show you how f$#@ing stupid this war is. And how corrupt the administration is, how untruthful it’s been to the American people. Bush deserves to be impeached. I’m not a radical, nor am I particularly Democratic. Therefore, you might wonder why I might take such an “Extreme” measure in trying to have Bush impeached. Well, here’s the reason:
I am American.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 pmRumsfeld and Bush should be held accountable but Cheney should be held most accountable. Cheney actually went to CIA headquarters on 35 separate occasions; while there he formulated the intelligence that was then cited by the administration to support the need to go to war in Iraq.
No other administration, not one, not in the history of the United State, had ever visited the CIA – he did it 35 times.
Cheney and the neo-cons provided the intelligence to Tenent that Tenent then provide to the administration.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:39 pm“The President has got his war
Folks don’t know just what it’s for
Nobody gives you a rhyme or reason
Have one doubt, they call it treason.
All chicken feathers without one single nut! God Dammit!
Les McCann sang these words in the late 60’s. Could have been yesterday.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:41 pmMr. Graham – your party, your fault. Now get out the way while the Dems fix this.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:43 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
Hold it, hold it, hold it!!! Ole’ Lindsey Graham is the same jacka** who went on Face the Nation just three weeks ago and said that we cannot pass Bush’s terror bill cause it allows the president to reinterperet the Geneva Conventions – then what did he do? He trades away Habeous Corpus for a “flexible” Geneva Conventions (one that allows torture). Seriously, F**K what this a**hole says.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:44 pmThe course has met an obstacle, gee whiz and gosh durn wally lucy and ethel didn’t warn us of this..
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:48 pmSort of On T.
We Sentenced Japanese For This
Don’t you think that’s amazing? I hear old people talking about a “moral decay” in our country. I used to think that they were just old, but now maybe I think they are right.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:48 pmOh, go stick your head back up your ass, Graham. Along with Arlen Specter, you lost the credibility you never had when you went from “warrantless wiretapping is against the law” to being a damn cheerleader for the program.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pmFrom the same article:
First, how despicable of the GOP to keep using our troops as an election prop.
Second, Biden needs to name names. Since when is Senate collegiality more important than human life?
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pmYah, the Centrist media thinks we are brainless dolts whose memory span is 36 hours..
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pmDidn’t Sen. Lindsey Graham vote for all of this sh!t? He shares the responsibility, with Bush and the rest of his bootlickers.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:50 pmBut, most of Bushies group are chickenhawks. They haven’t served.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — October 23, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
You’re 100% right. I wanted to type something like “warmongers”, but “warhawks” is what came out. Oh well.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:51 pmFrom the same article:
First, how despicable of the GOP to use our troops as an election prop. How’d you like to get your legs blown off for that?
Second, Biden needs to name names. Senate collegiality is less important than human lives, US or Iraqi.
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:52 pmWhy do repugs keep saying we’re on the “verge” of chaos or the “verge” of civil war? Does every last inch of Iraq have to be blown to smithereens before they admit that there’s chaos there already?
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:53 pm“We’re on the verge of chaos
Verge?
October 23rd, 2006 at 6:59 pmIf you’re looking for truth in direction, all bets are off until 11/8. What’s being said now is a mad fishing frenzy to find a lure that works. They’re saying anything they can think of. Nothing is working, and they’ll keep trying new things. If they happen to land on a statement or path that appears to resonate with people, that will be the new party line, literally, until the election is over and then it’s back to cronyism and corruption.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:06 pmExley, surely you can come up with a few reasons to blame liberals for this chaos.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:08 pmfor what it’s worth, Lou Dobbs on Real Time with Bill Maher said that it was the generals’ fault.
Sometimes Lou makes sense, and sometimes he should just shut his damn mouth. This is one of those times.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:08 pm#27 That’s what I thought, Exley. See, we can agree sometimes. I sometimes wonder if these guys know what the words they use mean.
Have a good night everyone. See you in the morning after emptying out my head a little tonight. You can go through the pickings tomorrow.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:10 pm… and just where were these Republicans three years ago when Iraq started falling apart under the Emperor’s misleadership?
It’s get’n close to election day and ReichWingNuts must be feel’n the heat. May they all burn in hell!
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:11 pmWhat earns anyone with GOP attatched to them any credibility?
Imagine Ms. O’Brien on CNN conducting a serious interview with John Wayne Gacy on the subject of child protection, all the while ignoring the 800 lb. Elephant in the room.
The newsies themselves have no institutional memory. Otherwise they’d
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:11 pmrealize these people ALWAYS lie, and call them on it.
#27, yeah, Ex, it’s like we’re in the “Eve” in “Eve of Destruction.”
Gotta go, ‘night, all!
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:11 pmTHREE NAMES
CHENEY, RUMSFELD BUSH
IN THE OLDEN DAYS………………………………………….
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:18 pmGraham is a huge disappointment. He agrees that the war in Iraq is a disaster and someone should be held accountable, but not only will he not hold the commander in chief accountable, he agreed to give Bush powers to over rule habeas corpus, powers to torture, powers that would be dangerous in the hands of any one man, but in the hands of Bush it is recklessly dangerous and perilous.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:32 pmHe, like Specter, Warner and a few others say the right words, but they never stand behind them. The Bush blowback gets them every time.
So I don’t put a lot of stock in his denunciation today.
Graham also believes that lying about a personal sexual affair is an impeachable offense but violating the Geneva Convention isn’t.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmDid anyone hear what he said?
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmWait till the next chapter.
Remember to vote in two weeks people.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:39 pmOffer to take people to the polls.
Put signs in your yards.
Write letters to your papers.
Do this please – the Repugs will steal this election (disenfranchise voters, “fix machines”) unless we overwhelm them with votes in numbers that can’t go uncounted.
Don’t worry about impeachment now – let’s get in office and after we see what power we have, we can press for other things.
Saw on NBC news tonight that the U.S. is going to ask the Iraqi government to set time tables (but not specific dates) to get their crap together and show that they have goals for “standing up.” In theory we can then “stand down.”
But…
If the Iraqis fail to meet these goals, the U.S. will do nothing. In other words, there’s still no incentive. Instead what we have is “evidence” that Bush is “adapting” to the situation in Iraq. At least that’s what Bush wants his idiot supporters to believe.
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:39 pmMarie,
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:45 pmThank goodness I don’t have to worry about such antics in my state, but I have heard on Stephanie Miller’s show that you can ask for a paper ballot, and if they refuse, ask for an arbiter. (I believe I spelled that correctly. It still looks funny.)
May be helpful to some people out there.
So why then has Graham supported the incompetent policies of the decider-in-chief?
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 pmWhen does the buck get to stop in the oval office?
Isn’t dipshit decider the one that oversees these bungholes?
How come he gets to avoid blame?
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:59 pm#40 Damn right the we put the job on the Iraqers…..not like we started this damn war!
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:12 pmHa Ha, only a Republican would think it is the military’s job to make peace not war.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:16 pmjust a semantic note:
the term “war hawks” goes back to the War of 1812, referring to then-speaker henry clay who pushed for war under dubious motivations (expansionism, etc.).
“chicken hawks” is a play on that which correctly refers to non-serving pro-war types, but anti-war vets are not war hawks.
jack murtha is not a war hawk.
that is all.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:24 pmHere is a slogan. “Get rid of the Republicans”.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:30 pmHeynow,
You gotta make the slogans three words, so people remember them. Like a Steven Segal movie.
“Republicans Out Now”
“Vote Out Republicans”
“Republicans Are Crooks”
“Republicans Hate Jesus”
“Republicans Against Peace”
“Republicans Love War”
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:35 pmKeith Olbermann did it again!
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:58 pmIf you missed his special commentary on terrorism – Republican style – check out the replay later tonight on MSNBC.
He is the ONLY one speaking truth to power.
No more “stay the corpse”, whats next? Something with the word peace in it probably.
Bush is a cut and runner, he abandoned his “stay the course” policy. Who wants to argue?
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:02 pmLindsay Graham was standing behind GWB when he signed the Military Commissions bill, and shook GWB’s goddamned hand afterward.
I don’t give a flying f*ck what he has to say.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:16 pmBush Chews Pud.
-GSD
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:16 pmAs far as I’m concerned, nothing Lindsay Graham says is worth a moment’s attention. He thinks Bush can decide what torture is and Bush can decide who of us is an terrorist supporter. No, he means less than nothing to me. He is subhuman now, and I hope he goes to sleep each night with the screams of twenty-year-old innocents now being tortured ringing in his ears.
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:22 pm(By the way, anyone notice that McCain was nowhere to be found when Bush signed that “Torture/All-of-Us-Are-Suspects” bill?)
Yes! That’s right! All of them!
…and who are “them”? The group of nuts that got cherry picked by the other nuts in office so all the nuts can get power, all as unelected leaders!
So why don’t we start going after terrorists after the nuts are thrown out! Insead of the retards idea of invading Iraq and destabilizing a country, killing likely 100,000 innocents, as some kind of genocidal maniac’s idea of a good time, meantime terrorists get to run around and multiply while the war creates more hate as the similar foreign policies that caused 9/11 in the first place!
Jesus Christ!…It’s so simple!
You see this ‘Tards?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:39 pmThere is nothing but shreads, all around, everywhere.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:35 pmJesus Christ!…It’s so simple!
Yes it is simple, so simple that people fail to see it.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 pmThe President and Rumsfeld produced ineffectual plays and are doing a kabuki dance, on the sidelines for the press. While the players on the field have to deal with an offense from the enemy which does not accept our rules, and is playing to WIN, not just an election either.
And the enemy will do what ever it takes to win, in manpower, not setting some arbitrary level of troops. Or like waving purple fingers in the air, which in the game of control mean NOTHING if the purple fingers lead to ineffectual leadership which HIDES inside the green zone.
And no amount of presidential spokesman’s disinformation or angry press conferences of the president will change that ONE bit. Sound bites might win elections, they never win wars. So the rebublicans use sound bites and the enemy uses the tactics which worked against the Soviet Army in Afghanistan.
Not only has the President and Rumsfeld failed to heed the lessons of Vietnam we were supposed to have learned. They have ignored the lessons our military supposedly took away from the Soviets defeat in Afghanistan.
As the republicans thrash and rail against their looming election losses, they have a much bigger problem looming on their horizons. They have failed MUCH worse in their “war on terra”, in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And that failure and loss will not just cost them an election, but ALL OF US.
October 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 pmLindsay Graham is a complete phony and always ends up doing the President’s bidding, despite trying to sound as if he really has an independent voice.
He puts his party before his country like the majority of Rethuglicans. Only now, when they can’t hide the disaster in Iraq do they pretend to care about the troops and the situation. They could have spoken up much earlier and tried to do something about this if they really valued the troops and our country, but they went along with W and his ridiculous stance that everything is going fine.
October 24th, 2006 at 12:44 amEverybody’s blaming Bush and Rumsfeld lately, but they seem to have forgotten about Dick “the mastermind” Cheney, the puppeteer behind Bush, remember? What’s he been up to lately? It scares me when Dick is quiet, because you know he’s busy in some closed-door meetings, probably with oil-company billionaires, planning his next move on the grand chess board, moves which invariably makes him a lot of money while the rest of the world feels emotionally tugged to sacrifice…what IS he up to?
October 24th, 2006 at 12:46 amA republican with a heart AND a brain? Too bad he doesn’t have the balls to do anything about it.
http://www.getsomejosh.com
October 24th, 2006 at 1:54 amanother “cut and run” Republicant…
October 24th, 2006 at 7:03 amAccording to Nick Kristof, we’re spending $380,000 a minute in Iraq, a boondoggle that could wind up costing us more than two trillion.
Because, after all, it’s not as if that money could be better spent on health care or luxuries like that, right? So, at the very least, it’s fiscal chaos.
October 24th, 2006 at 7:50 amWELL, that didn’t take long….
Bush’s Enthusiasm for Torture (Syria, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, etc) is now being as excuse for other Countries/Governments to do what Bush does. (America-the Beacon of Hope, the Shining Example for others??) Even McCain, John Warner and Lindsay Graham warned of this before they caved and became Bush’s bitches with the rest of them:
U.N. ENVOY: MANY FOLLOW U.S. EXAMPLE ON DETAINEES
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Several governments around the world have tried to rebut criticism of how they handle detainees by claiming they are only following the U.S. example in the war on terror, the U.N. anti-torture chief said Monday.
Manfred Nowak, the U.N. special investigator on torture, said that when he criticizes governments for their questionable treatment of detainees, they respond by telling him that if the United States does something, it must be all right.
“The United States has been the pioneer, if you wish, of human rights and is a country that has a high reputation in the world,” Nowak told a news conference. “Today, many other governments are kind of saying, ‘But why are you criticizing us, we are not doing something different than what the United States is doing?’”
Nowak said that because of its prominence, the United States has a greater responsibility to uphold international standards for its prisoners so other nations do not use it as an excuse to justify their own behavior.
The remarks were the latest in a tense back-and-forth between Nowak and the United States. He has been an outspoken critic of U.S. detainee policy, chastising the United States for maintaining secret prisons. He has also been skeptical about new legislation that would protect detainees from blatant abuse — such as rape and torture — but does not require automatic legal counsel and specifically bars detainees from protesting their detentions in federal courts.
State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper said Monday night that he had not seen Nowak’s comments and had no response.
Nowak reiterated his opposition to that prohibition, saying “we should have enough trust in them that they should be the ones to deal with” the detainees.
He has said the United States must close its Guantanamo Bay detention facility and refused an invitation to visit because he would not be allowed to interview detainees. Nowak has reported that reliable accounts indicate suspected terror detainees being held there have been tortured.
more…
October 24th, 2006 at 8:09 amhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-10-24-detainee-treatment_x.htm
The Sky is falling!! Chaos!! Only the Republicans can fix the Chaos with more Chaos!!
October 24th, 2006 at 8:18 amGraham is a typical lying Republican who says one thing and then does the opposite! GOP members like to use smoke and mirrors to confuse people! Graham voted for the Iraq war, and has helped to fund it repeatedly, but now he wants to claim he is on the side of those who know the occupation is a fiasco failure > just resign Graham and tell Bush ass to do the same!
October 24th, 2006 at 8:21 amI am going to vote absentee this AM. Straight DEM ticket. I have never done that in my life, here’s the first election, but hey, it’s warranted.
Go Dems, take it back. Let’s fix this mess and let’s fix our country. The Deciderer-googler is not gonna continue to wreck our country. It belongs to the people, to the people!!!!
Take it back NOVEMBER 7th. VOTE for CHANGE.
October 24th, 2006 at 8:38 amMorning All, well in 2 short week’s every one else goes to the polls to try and fix this mess…My ballott came in the mail last Friday and it is back in the mail to be counted already….I did not vote a straight ticket like I usualy did , instead I voted for a couple of independents that can join the ranks of corrupted polaticians…Figured that will be my only chance to spread a little wealth in washington….With a little luck the dem. enabeler that has been in office will be collecting unemployment….At the very least it will show how unhappy we the voters are……While the bull shit bush regime has racheted up their showing’s on the tube and screaming by bull shit has increased I have searched every where for something from the dem’s and as usual the silence has been defening….I guess the dem’s figure they will just ride it out and win with little effort because of all the scandels….
Our loses in Iraq were at 83 yesterday…That’s 83 famalies that will no longer have a loved one…How many thousand’s of Iraq famalies for the month.?.So many lives lost for a madman’s folly. The grief is stagering…..This Graham fool is like all the rest, say one thing and then kiss the dictators ass….
It appears the text size has been fixed….A big plus, Thank You T.P….Blessings all, we realy need them now..
October 24th, 2006 at 8:53 amDon’t know if this is confirmed, or just one of those stories that’s ballooned in the re-telling, or one where the facts will only come out 8 years later: Another Disastrous Coverup.
October 24th, 2006 at 9:21 amYeah, these opportunists are sprinting away from Bush faster than he can smear them. They see their political future turning to shit before their very eyes. Career politicians have a keen sense of which way the wind blows, and they don’t need a weatherman to smell what the Bushites been cookin!
October 24th, 2006 at 10:27 amIt is amazing how tolerant Bush is of failure. He almost seems to be completely unaware of the repercussions of the failure of his governance, as if succeeding and failing were exactly the same. I fire people who cannot deliver results, or I change things that will enable them to succeed.
October 24th, 2006 at 10:28 amHis “stay the course” strategy has been a failure, so now they say it isn’t a “stay the course” strategy, has never been. Fine. Whatever. Presuming they had SOME kind of strategy, whatever they call it, it has been failing spectacularly and the renaming of it is simply a cruel joke. Our soldiers are in the middle of a civil war between the Sunni and the Shia. Which side do you think they are taking? Which side? Think Fast! Which side isn’t trying to kill us? They’re ALL trying to kill us. The Shia want our training and our armament for their side, and they want us out as soon as we have delivered. So they train during the day, and set IEDs at night. They want an Islamist state, and all democratic bets are off when we leave. The Sunni want us there to help keep the Shia quiet while they slaughter them in the night. The longer we keep the Shia quiet, the longer the Sunni can operate to reduce their numbers. The Sunni know, when we leave, they will be sandwiched between Shia on all sides. So, tell me, which side are we on? Who do we trust? Who do we help? Who do we kill? After you tell me, perhaps you can tell our soldiers. I think they are wondering too. The only guidance they have is to shoot back when they are picked off one by one by one, by whoever. Ducks in a shooting gallery. Shame on our president, shame on the GOP… shame on the Congress for buying into this mass delusion, President Bush’s wet dream of unlimited power and unending war on “terror”… a ridiculous name for a “war.” Lets have a war on “violence.” Then let’s have a war on “greed”. Then let’s have a war on …. asswipes.
Why does that liberal Senator Huckleberry hate American and our troops?
October 24th, 2006 at 11:23 amUp thread there were suggestions for slogans. I have one, based on the “But Bush isn’t running” complaint his rubber-stamp enablers use. I’m afraid it’s more than three words, but it’s easy to remember:
“The hand isn’t running in this election, but the gloves are!”
Ed
October 24th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#68 Also reported here
http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=5524357
October 24th, 2006 at 3:36 pm[...] “We’re on the verge of chaos, and the current plan is not working,†Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said today. “Asked who in particular should be held accountable — Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, perhaps, or the generals leading the war — Graham said: ‘All of them. It’s their job to come up with a game plan’ to end the violence.â€Â October 23, 2006 [...]
October 24th, 2006 at 9:12 pm