Chuck Norris Sets The Facts Straight: Evolution Is ‘Not Real. It Is Not The Way We Got Here’
Chuck Norris Sets The Facts Straight: Evolution Is ‘Not Real. It Is Not The Way We Got Here’
Actor and high-profile conservative Chuck Norris became an internet phenomenon last year after a website called “Chuck Norris Facts” attracted over 150 million hits. Some sample facts: “Guns don’t kill people. Chuck Norris kills people.” Another: “Chuck Norris wins Connect Four in three moves.”
Now, the right-wing website World Net Daily has given Chuck Norris a regular weekly column. In his first column, he takes on an “alleged” Chuck Norris fact:
Alleged Chuck Norris Fact: “There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.” It’s funny. It’s cute. But here’s what I really think about the theory of evolution: It’s not real. It is not the way we got here. In fact, the life you see on this planet is really just a list of creatures God has allowed to live. We are not creations of random chance. We are not accidents.
You can keep up with Chuck Norris’s columns HERE.
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Typical liberal Hollywood movie star.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:37 amI thought we weren’t supposed to pay attention to those Hollywood liberal types.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:38 amIncredible, I had no idea that Chuck Norris was a flaming nutbag, well, It was in the back of my mind whenever I watched Walker Texas Ranger, but this really puts it out there.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:40 ambruce lee would never have said something that stupid
October 25th, 2006 at 10:42 amDarwin’s theory of natural selection is not random chance, and it works just like capitalism. There is no god allowed x and y; it’s a purely scientific matter.
By the way, I heard your tears cure cancer. Too bad you never cry.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:43 amAnd how does this fit into thew Military Commissions Act and the large numbers of people who are going to vote for Republicans yet will not fight for thier country?
October 25th, 2006 at 10:44 amWait!!!!! I though Chuck Norris was God.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:46 amYes, Norris is a flaming nut bag. He speaks glowingly of violence as a solution while pretending to himself that he is a Christian.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:46 amIt’s called Natural Selection.
Whatever creatures Chuck Norris naturally chooses to shoot are made extinct.
The survivors have been selected to evolve into things like Chuck.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:48 am“really just a list of creatures God has allowed to live” … and so then where did the creatures come from? Where is the list? Where is the proof?
October 25th, 2006 at 10:50 amOh, well, if Chuck Norris says so,…. it’s probably a well thought out and reasoned declaration of “fact”.
But… I would like to know what or who taught him that millions of years of evolutionary development was “an accident?”
Well, maybe his was. Perhaps his soul was better suited for a barnyard cock.
I don’t think Mr Norris is going to be able to reincarnate as a turtle in his next step forward.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:58 amAnother religious freak . Amazing , like so many , he loves and makes a living thru violence What an arrogant stupid ass .Well set among the repugs.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:58 amClint Eastwood could crush Norris with a single squint.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:01 amChuck understands the bible as well. You liberals are a shame to biblical standards. If you don’t believe in the creation of Adam and Eve, don’t celebrate Christmas, I mean it. You’re defying God’s book.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:02 amChuck, you dummy. YOU nor I can not change the FACT of Evolution. Darwin never said their is no god, and some religious leaders say god created evolution,to justify the facts and give god credit. Now go and be a good little boy and kiss bush’s feet,because he thinks he is god.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:03 amIn time, Chuck’s writing ability might equal his acting talents.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:05 amSpeaking of Clint Eastwood – I wonder how his latest “war” movie is going to be accepted and responded to by the neocons. As I heard it described, it’s going to have some very negative parallels to the Iraq fiasco.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:06 amI own a Total Gym but think it dates from the late 1970s. Please don’t make me turn it back in!
October 25th, 2006 at 11:07 am#14 – Christmas is a midwinter pagan festival …. you do it your way, I’ll do it mine. If you believe in Adam and Eve then you need to tell us who Cane married to produce the human race – and please indicate your position on incest as you go. Keep your opinions about what I can and can’t do to yourself, St Darryl.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:10 amCreatures that god has allowed to live………hmmmm? Oh I get it!!! Chuck Norris knows everything!!
October 25th, 2006 at 11:11 amIf you don’t believe in the creation of Adam and Eve, don’t celebrate Christmas, I mean it. You’re defying God’s book.
Comment by Daryll
Who are you to tell me or anyone else what to believe, how to believe, or what to celebrate? You are making an idol out of the Bible. I mean it, too.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:16 amIf Chuck Norris said it then it must be true….
October 25th, 2006 at 11:17 am# 14 Daryll — Your God and his book can blow me!
On December 25th, I think I’ll celebrate my ability to reason and think critically.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:20 amdaryll–did you know that the Puritans banned celebrating Christmas?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:22 amterrytheturtle, the bible states, god created Adam and Eve, not humans evolved from animal species. Also, it’s a holiday celebrating Jesus’ birth, but I know you don’t believe in him because you can’t except the biblical method he used to create humans, as well as other scriptures in the bible. Why not call Dec. 25 festivus because you don’t beliee in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:22 amI think he’s angling for a role in the next ABC docu-drama.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:25 amDaryll, I hope you don’t celebrate Christmas with a Christmas tree, escpecially not one with decorations and DEFINETELY no angels on the top, because those are graven images. Your Bible, and your second commandment shun that.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:29 am#16 LawstSoul – If Norris were any more wooden as an actor, he’d be made of birch. Come to think of it, that would explain his being a blockhead
October 25th, 2006 at 11:30 amDaryll,
October 25th, 2006 at 11:31 amDo you give presents for Christmas?
Daryll better not eat a shrimp salad either. If he does, I’ll just have to come over and stone him to death–the Book of Leviticus says I can do that.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:31 amIf there was a god, there would be no religion.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:33 amDaryll – The Bible also says that when Cain was made by God to roam the Earth he ended up settling down in a city named Nod… where did all those people that populated the city of Nod come from… what day did God create them?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:33 amComment by Daryll
What exactly did the people that wrote the old testament a couple thousand years ago know about DNA? Nothing. What did the Romans who put the new testament together know about DNA? Nothing. What does Jesus have to do with the old testament? He was a Jew. The old testament and the new testament does not belong together. Jesus was speaking out against the old tribal ways… turn the other cheek was not how the old testament did things… in the old testament they killed all the men, women, and children… NOT turned the other cheek.
Christmas is NOT a holiday that has anything to do with Jesus. Why is it that most christians become adults and NEVER look up any history? Christmas was a pagan holiday that the Catholic church could not simply abolish because most of the people were still pagan at the time so they simply “renamed it” like you righties today call killing people “democracy” and the dismantlement of the Constitution and Bill of Rights “liberty” and the repeal of Habeas Corpus “clarification of what is allowed”….
October 25th, 2006 at 11:35 amWhat biblical method? Some flying fairy went ‘whoosh’ and there it was? Prove it, why don’t you? It’s your assertion, let’s have the proof.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:35 amWell said RantingTommy!
October 25th, 2006 at 11:36 amPersonally, as an Atheist 3 questions to Darryl:
Do you believe that the Moon is a light source? (Genesis)
Do you believe a human being could survive in the digestive system of a fish, for over 24 hours, without air? (Jonah)
Do you believe that a good and caring God would parch your lands, sentence your family to death and slavery and curse you with disease – just to impress the devil? (Job)
October 25th, 2006 at 11:37 amRantingTommy – bang on 100%
October 25th, 2006 at 11:37 amThe date of December 25th comes from Rome and was a celebration of the Italic god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god. Oops.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:38 amBruce, miracles always fascinate me. At Lourdes they have that display of hundreds of crutches and wheelchairs that people have left behind.. ever wonder why there are no glass eyes or wooden legs?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:40 amWell, at least now I have a more logical reason to be repulsed by Norris than his ugly canine looks.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:41 amAcademics and Scientists agree; Evolution NOT True…for Republicans. They should not be allowed to benefit medically or technically by our advances in society, since they are still knuckle dragging Neanderthals.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:42 amDaryll – we’re trying to get you to understand that the Bible ISN’T fact. I understand that as long as you believe that it is fact, there is nothing anyone can say here to have you see otherwise. But understand that the only connection we have to Jesus is ONE MAN. One man who began telling the story to his small group of followers that expanded from there.
Understand that Jesus has MANY similarities to other Gods in history; born from a virgin, was killed, was magically resurrected and went to heaven…
Understand that we’re not trying to say we know how life began exactly, but that the idea that life began with Adam and Eve has been proven false. So let’s move on and see what other possibilities are out there.
Natural selection is not chance. It is about which of the creatures can survive, and the ones that do survive, how they adapt to their environment.
You probably want to hold onto the idea of there being a God because you fear the unknown. And as long as you can believe that there is someone up there controlling everything, you feel alright. Just like you feel alright when you go to Church, because someone is there controlling you. You know which songs you have to sing, which prayers you must say. You like knowing that the man at the Church is called “Father” and the nuns are called “Sister”. It’s a warm, welcoming atmosphere (except for the massive statue of your dead hero on the wall…)
But why live your life in a state of fear? Why live your life trying to prepare for the afterlife? You should live here and now! Enjoy what surrounds you on this earth right now – it can be very beautiful!
I know, I know… you can’t live here and now because now is only temporary, and the afterlife is forever. But what many here are trying to tell you is perhaps there is an alternative. Perhaps it isn’t wrong to live your life without fear, without having to go to Church and pray, and force other people to pray along with you in public schools, and force your commandments on public buildings, and go to wars with people who believe differently than you, and force woman to birth children….
Perhaps you can live the way we nonbelievers do – leading happy healthy lives, because perhaps your view of what happens after death is wrong.
I’m leaning away from religion simply because SO MUCH has been proven against it, I see no need to believe in it. And besides, if God does exist, it’s his fault for giving me a brain that can’t comprehend that he created me and my surroundings. It’s not free-will, it’s just the fact that I can NOT believe what religion has to offer me.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:43 amOne other thing–Jesus came along and tried to overthrow all the crap that people had attributed to God over the millenia. And now, here are the modern right wing Christians distorting everything Jesus said while trying to reinstate that same Pharisee/Sadducee legalistic mumbo-jumbo again.
If He came back, the right wingers would have that hippie commie peacenik Jesus nailed up even faster than they did 2000 years ago.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:44 amthe Italic god, Saturn,
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Don’t you mean…..the Italic god, Saturn
October 25th, 2006 at 11:45 amWhat is the hostility to Darwinian science all about? What does acceptance of Darwinian methods do to p*** Bible punchers off?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:46 amQuick quick, the LW should produce a cheesy video and give Rosie O Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres, Barbara Streissand, Alex Baldwin, and Tim Mc Graw all columns in American Prospect to make the case for evolution….
October 25th, 2006 at 11:46 amAnd Chuck Norris is an expert in biology? Based on what, exactly?
SHEESH! Just how stupid do you have to be to read WND anyway?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:47 amUh, no thanks, he’s a shitty actor and a shitty person. Don’t need to read his drivel.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:47 amdlet….. ouch you got me there my friend… tickled my ribs that did
October 25th, 2006 at 11:48 amHey, you guys and gals be nice to Daryll. He truly believes what he believes, and all these questions are hurting his feelings. He’s not allowed to question his Bible, and answering these questions might make him doubt some of the truths in that holy tome. Then he’d have to kill himself and that government project would never get done. Shame on you all.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:51 amI’ll give a dollar to anyone who can tell me what Adam and Eve have to do with Xmas.
I’ll go ahead and celebrate it with the pagan rituals (i.e. the tree) and use the day to remind myself that, living in Missouri, I’m surrounded by religious zealots who think the earth is only 6,000 years old when every single shred of evidence proves otherwise.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:51 amHasn’t Chucky killed that same NVA colonel about 12 times? Who is he Lazarus Nguyen?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:52 am…
October 25th, 2006 at 11:53 amnever mind his evolution rant, I don’t even buy that he can win a ‘game of Connect 4 in 3 moves’
Turtleman at 45 , I’ll have a crack at that. You know its funny you bring that up, how things don’t seem to change about acceptance of scientific ideas, ‘We don’t understand it, so it must be and ‘Act of God’ – quick, get your bibles out brothers’ hoohah.
So there I was, looking up at Jupiter with my telescope like you do, watching those four little points of light whizz around it every so often and I found my self wondering whether that had anything to do with the crazy wandering about the sky Jupiter did, and Venus, and Mars. I mean the planets lurch about the sky like I do on my way back from Florence Piazza on a Friday night. And I thought to myself, ‘Hey, my Polish bud, Copernicus (or ‘Nick the Polack’ to his homies) had been reading these far-out Arabic astronomy texts on heliocentricity, you know that the sun is the center of the Universe and all that – maybe there’s something in that’. So I got out my compass and paper and let ‘Euclid do the walking’, as we say in the 16th century. So sure enough, putting the Sun at the center of the universe and earth as rotating around it explained all the drunkeness I’d observed in the sky.
Unfortunately, I’m right there in the middle of the Reformation and despite that my old drinking pal is now the Pope, he’s become all anally-retentive about any idea that might displace man from his place as a divine creation and that all this earth, sky, planets stuff is just there to prove to him that the Church has the final say in everything and that whatever the Church has said about the natural world through the Bible is 100% on-the-money, no fallibility, talking donkeys and all.
Well, cut a long story short, I run my mouth off that the Earth revolves around the Sun, my old china the Pope gets wound up that I’ve just set fire to the ‘truthiness’ of the Bible and promises to set fire to me (after he’s had someone inspect the insides of my bum with something hot). Apparently when science threatens the Bible, people get a bit snaky – who knew? Well, I’m not the martyr type so I cave in right (but I cross my fingers and mutter that ‘it does move’ in my final trial, so I fooled those bastards?).
Oh where was I? Getting a bit forgetful after 400 years, sorry. My point? Yes. you know if the Pope had been able to suppress science in the discovery of the truths of the natural world in my time, what state would you be in today? Still sticking flowers up your noses to ward off the pox no doubt (that always cracked me up). So why is all this Bible thumping still going on?
After my work finally got out, that conceited git Newton did some neat stuff, then that old Kraut Einstein and next thing you know, some farm boy from Ohio is on the moon! But I mean giving that nice chap Hawking a hard time is a bit off since he’s said that the Big Bang says nothing about God’s non-existence and I bet if some of you could find Darwin’s body, you’d dig it up and drag it around Kansas behind a pick-up truck. The dude was mostly right, and sorry if that means that funny feeling you get looking at the gorilla cage at the zoo flies in the face of Leviticus chapter whosit, verse whatsit, then tough t**ties to you fish-face.
For Christ’s sake, if God had the grace to make man a critical thinker, don’t you deny God by turning your brains off? Anyway, must dash, good show on the Discovery Channel coming on. I love that David Attenborough stuff.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:57 amMan, Daryll is starting the “War on Christmas” thing early this year. I guess the religious zealots were told to start the season earlier. Must be following the retailer marketing strategy. Pretty soon we’ll hear this crap in July.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:59 amAll these celebs talkin’ out their ass! Who gives a rat’s ass what a Texas Walker Power Ranger has to say about Biology lol! It’s about as bad as Alice Cooper, the old parent-scarin’ freakjob all the sudden becoming a conservative Christian spokes person telling us not to listen to rock stars go on about politics. The irony.
This is my brother Daryll and my other brother Daryll. The Bible says how to properly sacrifice animals – what should I do Daryll? I don’t want Jesus to be pissed if I play with animal guts the wrong way!
October 25th, 2006 at 12:03 pmDaryll
As a Christian, I would like to tell you that the Bible is not about worldly facts, it’s about spiritual truth for believers. It’s a means of finding a relationship of peace and love with God and with other people. It’s not a weapon or a cage. It’s not a science book or a history book. The Word of God is a love story. That which is not loving in the Bible or in anyone’s life is not of God. Those unbelievers who are loving to others are more of God than than hate-filled Christians are.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:05 pmthat is why Chuck Norris is an overpaid court jester instead of a scientist
October 25th, 2006 at 12:10 pmpoor little boy. go back to hawking shit on the teevee and be vewy vewy afraid of jesus, for he wants you dead and is trying his hardest to get you to enlist in the army
October 25th, 2006 at 12:16 pmhere’s the thing, the crux of the matter: they – and by they, i mean the anti-evolution folks like mr. kickbutt norris here – just cannot accept the fact that they’re not “special” or annointed by god, or made in his own image.
look at his words. read btw the lines: “We are not creations of random chance. We are not accidents.” Implied –> we’re better than that. we’re more important than some damn monkey or gorilla, fish or amoeba.
it’s an ego thing, pure and simple. they have a pathological need to be special, and it over rides that part of their brain that thinks.
there’s plenty of wonder to be found in the world-view of evolution; these guys just can’t see it ‘cuz their perch atop god’s almighty pedestal is threatened.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:23 pmInteresting in that the only way upChuck Norass is HERE is due to random chance, a God could not be that stupid.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:37 pmI respect Chuck for not being afraid to stand up for the truth, which is obviously very unpopular. The Bible says that in the last days, men will be “willingly ignorant” of the truth. Hang in there, Chuck. The theory of evolution or natural selection is just a secular religion, and the day will come that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Y’all think the universe created itself?
October 25th, 2006 at 12:37 pmSo it all comes down to control, Phil, religion is about control. That’s what I see in your answer. Looks like it was true in Galileo’s time as it is today (nice job Galileo – any chance we can get Darwin himself to stop by too?). No different from fascism and communism in their own way.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:37 pmThis Week On SkyAngel:
FRIDAY
9PM :Chuck Norris’(and God’s) list of the top 100 carefully thought out creatures
10PM: Kirk Cameron cooks: 10 easy meals Jesus would have gone gagga over
October 25th, 2006 at 12:43 pmDavid, explain that one:
“The theory of evolution or natural selection is just a secular religion”
You can start from any definition of the word ‘religion’ you like. I would appreciate it it you capitalized Theory of Evolution, we can start from Darwin’s point and we should be careful to distinguish between Darwin’s work and the body of work that comes after it.
“day will come that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”
And if the Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc choose not to, what’s the plan there Thomas Aquinas?
“Y’all think the universe created itself?”
I don’t know, but then that’s not what we’re talking about here is it?
October 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pmGood old Chuckie mentor role model? – yeah sure, as far as the women in his life- he tries before he buys-woos before he screws-plays before he lays-sleeps before he keeps-and beds before he weds! As far as his so-called “soul mate” she had a radical conversion when she was 26, the only thing that is radical about her is between her legs. Who strays from God and loses God and then finds God, religion is a part of your life no matter what, nobody loses God and then finds God, where did Norris find God – between her legs? The only reason that she married him is for the status, and of course the money. What kind of woman leaves her husband because he has M.S., in short she does not want to take care of a sick man. She didn’t know “what Walker was” then why did she send him a topless picture of herself to him? How dumb can a guy be? I bet she did Morales.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pmChuck Norris and Ted Nugent should both be kicking butt in Iraq.
October 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pmthis is why the USA is falling further and further behind in science. they refuse to believe the “theory” when Darwin first wrote the origin of species it was controversial because most of his conclusions were based on observations of the natural world….and they had good reason to doubt. but with the molecular biology we have proven that most of his observations were correct. that species are related and that small changes in the dna make a huge difference in the phenotypes of the organism in question.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:01 pmwe must not allow politics in to science. politics is mostly opinion, science is based in fact…let me re-phrase that….science is based on the scientific method…..a question followed by experiments….followed by conclusions…and it must repeat….good science can be repeated by anyone…and if it cant be repeated then its not good science…
Hey Chuck, do me a favor and ask God about fleas and mosquitos, Why? …..and while you’re at it, what’s up with Poison Ivy? I mean what’s the point?
October 25th, 2006 at 1:01 pmthis is why the USA is falling further and further behind in science. they refuse to believe the “theory” when Darwin first wrote the origin of species it was controversial because most of his conclusions were based on observations of the natural world….and they had good reason to doubt. but with the molecular biology we have proven that most of his observations were correct. that species are related and that small changes in the dna make a huge difference in the phenotypes of the organism in question.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:03 pmHey Daryll! Guess What !!!! I DON”T BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, MAN!!!
October 25th, 2006 at 1:09 pmI DON”T!!! YEA and I DON’t believe that horrible book that worships death and destruction you call a “bible”. I don’t! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! GUESS WHAT!~ I think you are an idiot! And you know what? When you “accuse” someone of not believing in the Bible, you sound even stupider than Rush Limbo! Like belief in the “bible” is some law or something. NOT, little man, NOT a LAW!!!! You want a law about belief? Good luck making people believe what you want them to believe by threatening them, fool. Take your “holy scriptures” and shove ‘em in that tight little hole you keep your foot in.
I thought I saw a grasshopper praying and giving thanks to God last night Chuck……….,but he was in the mouth of a bird.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:11 pmCenturies later and we’re still rehashing the Reformation..? And I thought the obsession with Clinton was bad…
October 25th, 2006 at 1:15 pmDavid you’ll never force me into your religion no matter how much you torture, threaten with hellfire, or offer your candyland promises…sorry.
If Evolution was so incompatible with God, why did the pope say it was part of God’s master plan?
Watch out or Bush might appoint Chuck as our national Science advisor.
Between this Evolution-denying BS and anti-stem cell research fuxsticks, it’s a wonder the US is considered first world.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:18 pmChuck Norris makes Arnold Schwarzenegger look like a braniac and a Royally-trained Shakespearean actor.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:24 pmWho knew that Chuck Norris is such a simpleton?
October 25th, 2006 at 1:33 pm“the bible states, god created Adam and Eve, not humans evolved from animal species.”
Right off the bat, we know we’re in trouble. You get your scientific knowledge from an ancient middleeastern text. How quaint. As others have and will continue to point out, it is not possible to actually read the bible and reconcile all of its content with actual reality. If you choose to focus on fantasy, there is no point to further debate.
“it’s a holiday celebrating Jesus’ birth, Why not call Dec. 25 festivus because you don’t beliee in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
Forgetting for the moment that you have extreme arrogance to try to tell other people what holidays to celebrate, what to call them, and how to do the celebrating, you should at least have your facts straight. Jesus was not born on Dec 25. Nobody knows when he was born, but wintertime in Bethlehem doesn’t seem to fit. Christians needed a day for the celebration so they appropriated a day used for the pagan feast of Saturnalia, taking over the holiday from it’s original purpose. Next time you want to claim that others have “forgotten” the “true meaning” of the winter holiday, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
If you choose to assign signficance to the birth of Jesus, and to have a celebration of that event on Dec 25, then by all means build yourself a creche and lay in it.
Likewise if the rest of us prefer to use that day to celebrate the joy of giving, or just want to have a fun time for the kids with Santa and reindeer and decorated trees, or if someone wants to just enjoy an end of year time off from work, what’s it to you?
First Christians want non-believers to not celebrate Christmas, and then when non-believers (or more tolerant believers) respond by using non-Christian phrases like “Happy Holidays”, the christers get all indignant about “an attack on Christmas”.
The fact is, there are at least 3 types of Christmas celebrations: (1) the Jesus-birth celebration; (2) the totally secular winter holiday celebration; (3) the original pagan feast. Most people celebrate #1 or #2, and alot of people celebrate an odd hybrid of the two. I want a clear explanation from you of which is “right”, bearing in mind that I’m not aware of any laws proclaiming that Christians own the calendar.
Screw Christian self-important arrogance.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:34 pmWhy does the Right never actually “think” or “feel “, yet use these words constantly to explain themselves?
October 25th, 2006 at 1:39 pmThis is sad. I can’t tell my son Chuck is a moron. He’d be crushed. I would have rather not learned this about Chuck.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:42 pmWell, since zero trolls have thus far explained the intelligent design of the human appendix, male nipples and the fact that we share identical pseudogenes (genes that don’t do anything) with chimpanzees, perhaps Chuck Norris would like to play?
Sheesh, these right-wing idiots are really asinine.
Evolution is real. Chuck Norris is the figment of our imaginations.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:45 pmDavid: “Y’all think the universe created itself?”
That’s right, you southern dumbass. Get used to it.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:46 pmChuck understands the bible as well. You liberals are a shame to biblical standards.
Comment by Daryll — October 25, 2006 @ 11:02 am
Explain male nipples Daryll. The human appendix too.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:47 pmMaybe Chuck, Daryll or David can explain goosebumps.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:49 pmOn December 25th, I think I’ll celebrate my ability to reason and think critically.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — October 25, 2006 @ 11:20 am
That’s agreat idea! We thinking pepople should all do that…
October 25th, 2006 at 1:49 pm(laughs at #63)
October 25th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThe truth, huh? So you’ve got all manner of scientific evidence to back up claims that the bible is 100% literal truth, do you? Then by all means, enlighten us, the poor “willingly ignorant” with your amazing insight, which seems to have eluded all of mankind for over 2000 years.
I love how the bible crowd can’t help but mix biology with astrophysics by insisting that evolution theory says ANYTHING about how the universe was created. Here’s a hint: It doesn’t. Evolution theory is an explination for the mechanical process of natural selection, supported by observable and detectable evidence. It says nothing about the creation of the universe. Nothing. That’s an entirely different scientific field, but I suppose creationist nuts have to keep that straw man propped up to beat on, because they can’t tackle the real thing and win.
What is wrong with you morons, the website is a parody. A PARODY!!!!!!!
October 25th, 2006 at 1:53 pmNo way!! After seeing a program where he was laughing and reading hos onw facts, I thought chuck norris was a fun and (at least mildly) intelligent person.
Now this?? What a disappointment…
October 25th, 2006 at 1:53 pmYou liberals are a shame to biblical standards.
Comment by Daryll — October 25, 2006 @ 11:02 am
Yeah, you are right. We are against stoning adulterers, those who have a different religious faith, and rebellious chilldren who disrespect their parents.
We are truly a shame.
If you don’t believe in the creation of Adam and Eve, don’t celebrate Christmas, I mean it.
What’s one got to do with the other? Do you think Christmas celebrates the creation of Adam and Eve?
Daryll, whatever it is you are on, it is not good for you. It shows.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:54 pmUB – Darryl’s off looking for proof that God created Adam and Eve and David is struggling with the argument of evolutionary theory being a secular religion. Either that or the Festival of Life is coming to a doorbell near you anytime soon. Don’t answer that door!
You liberals are a shame to biblical standards – You haven’t been out doing enough smiting, killing of the menfolk, enslaving of the women and participating in capricious stonings today, either.
Oh and I’ll say it – testicles. Did God add those on at the last minute after the chest cavity was full of all that other stuff? Hey, why not take out that appendix and put them there? They’ll be safe there.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:55 pmEvolution is not a FACT. It is not a law. It is a theory. One that cannot be proven or even tested (as it would take millions of years to test, yes). Those who believe that it is a fact have turned it into a religion. I believe that it takes just as much faith to believe that evolution exists as it does to believe that God created everything.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
From David
One thing, have you ever thought to pull your head out of your ass and maybe look at the words you quote in a different direction? One Being, “The Bible says that in the last days, men will be ‘willingly ignorant’ of the truth” If you think maybe someone writing this got something right (which in so many words isn’t to hard to think some words are) I think this would more have to do with the radical Christians then the Science of how things actually work. Christians are noted showing absolute disrespect for Empirical evidence and scientific fact (side note the term Theory means: “the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a particular subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice.†ACTUAL PRACTICE!) Just because we (science minded) put the word Theory behind or in front of something doesn’t make it any less true or fact.
I was once just like you willing to blind myself and unwilling to listen to what is out there. Expecting your “text” to do right is a bad move from the start. Science never assumes it always makes observations and then follows through with proving the observations. Sadly many religions don’t look at them selves in this microscopic way because deep down everyone knows it would not pass.
Over the last year it was made more and more obvious, to me, that Christianity and all other religions are bull shit. I am my self and am what I make of my self. Believing in a God that knows everything but says you have free will is only lying to you to maintain control. AKA this is the reason the “Church†claims authority over the people. The gods are of man’s creation for answers to the unexplained. We live in the 21st Century. Lets Fracking get it together and realize we are intelligent enough to explain how things actually work instead of putting myth in the mix.
October 25th, 2006 at 1:59 pmMaybe Chuck, Daryll or David can explain goosebumps.
Comment by Bluedog49 — October 25, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
How about explaining poop? I mean, if there was intelligence in the design of things, there wouldn’t be those foul left-overs that stink to high heaven (pun intended)…
October 25th, 2006 at 1:59 pm1 Corinth 3:8… “Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.”
October 25th, 2006 at 1:59 pmHere’s the bible stating that modern farming techniques are a violation of the bible, as different people planteth and watereth on most agri businesses.
Let’s storm the farms and burn their heretical barns to the ground!
An All-Powerful God would have given Jesus Karate lessons Chuck.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:00 pmChuck forgot to mention that what he said is only true because he allowed GOD to live!
I hope what I say doesn’t offend too many progressives who are religious, but I mean come on! Not believing that the process of natural selection is real is like not believing the world is round these days.
I guess we can put ol’ Chuck into the Mel Gibson camp of “If evolution is real, why are there still monkeys?”
DAMNIT MONKEYS! EVOLVE ALREADY!
October 25th, 2006 at 2:02 pmOh and I’ll say it – testicles. Did God add those on at the last minute after the chest cavity was full of all that other stuff? Hey, why not take out that appendix and put them there? They’ll be safe there.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 25, 2006 @ 1:55 pm
Hilarious comments above – didn’t want to clog the thread with too many compliments…
Yeah, really, he couldn’t design sperm that could withstand body temperatures? Huh? How is that even mildly smart, much less full blown intelligent?
The list grows ever longer on evidence of Evolution, while the veracity list for a god is evidently blank.
It’s why they need faith. There is no proof.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:05 pmI believe that it takes just as much faith to believe that evolution exists as it does to believe that God created everything.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
You ‘believing’ is not fact. You not understanding that the definition of the word ‘theory’ in scientific context doesn’t lessen the reality that gravity is also a theory. A theory is something that has been withstood the tests and scrutiny of time.
You didn’t refute anything, just replaced your own conjecture for facts, and expected us to accept it. You are either ignorant or mentally challenged. Go read some biology. It might help.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:09 pmim not a roman catolic
i dont pray to a father or a nun nor do i worship mary
i pray only to God my father through Jesus Christ
im with daryl here, all who dont agree should ask themselves, have u ever witnessed a miricle? ever been promised something by God? do you know god?
ive seen cancer bow down like a dog
God has made me promises and kept them, aswel as answering my prayers – some answered within a few hours
i know God!
whoever said to daryl that hes just afraid of living is wrong! i have more fun than i ever had not being a christian. you must ask urself maybe ur not believing because u urself are afraid
and if you ignorant people still dont believe in something greather than ur own selfish how do explain the weegie board.
the theory of evolution has been proven wrong
and lastly what year is it? 2006 years since when :D
I believe in God because i want to, not because im scared, but because i love my father.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:11 pmOver the last year it was made more and more obvious, to me, that Christianity and all other religions are bull shit
Comment by Adam — October 25, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
Feels liberating doesn’t it? I did the same myself about four years ago.
Congratulations! You are officially now your own god : )
October 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pmBiology is based on the “theory” of evolution. Can you observe evolution? Can you test it? Can you repeat it?
With gravity you can. Try flying on your own. In fact, why don’t you try evolving.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pmIt’s the inability to distinguish feelings or faith from facts. Religion does that to you.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pmEvolution is not a FACT. It is not a law. It is a theory.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
Evolution is both a fact and a theory.
Scientific theories explain observable phenomena, aka facts. If evolution were not a fact to be explained, there would be no theory of evolution.
One that cannot be proven or even tested (as it would take millions of years to test, yes).
Nothing in science is “proven”. You either have evidence to back up a hypothesis or you don’t. Also, evolution can be tested, and has been observed.
How did you come up with that figure?
I believe that it takes just as much faith to believe that evolution exists as it does to believe that God created everything.
Well, that is just your opinion, isn’t it?
And what Erhlich’s quote actually says is that the theory of evolution is the best explanation we have (”it cannot be refuted”), not that it is not true. He was decrying the lack of tests, not the lack of data -because all the data available points to evolution as a process that actually takes place (”Every conceivable observation can be fitted into it.”).
I don’t know how you got the idea this quote shores up your argument.
Finally, this is a 30 year old quote. Things have changed since.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:14 pmTo number 14, Daryll et al.
There wasn’t an Adam and Eve. It needs to be understood in context that it is a creation story – not a literal occurrence. It explained things to people at the time as a means, not to be taken as literal truth.
What is seven days to God?
Not seven of ours on the Earth, it is about the number seven and its importance to people of the era – it is a special number to them. The Jews weren’t lost in the desert for 40 years, 40 is meant to mean a long time. 40 years, 40 days, etc…
It’s not all literal. Take it in context and understand the history of when the stories were written and for whom and you’ll see things as they were meant to be.
… speaking as a scientifically minded Catholic.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:14 pmThe only thing I have to say is that Chuck Norris isn’t helping religion or biology come to a decision by talking about it. We need some clergymen or some scientists to decide, not someone who has more jokes written about him than people who watch his show.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:14 pmI believe in God because i want to, not because im scared, but because i love my father.
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
Pete – so sorry about your recent bump on the head. Hope the swelling goes down soon and you’ll get back to thinking like a non-delusional adult again. Must suck to have all those crazy hallucinations and have lost control over your ability to sound coherent. Poor thing.
Get well soon.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:14 pmPete, from your own book of Matthew: “And when you pray, be not like the hypocrites, who affect to pray standing in the assemblies, and at the corners of the streets, that men may observe them. Indeed, I say to you, they have received their reward. But you, when you would pray, retire to your closet; and having shut the door, pray to your Father; and your Father, to whom, though he is unseen himself, nothing is secret, will recompense you.â€
Get it, Pete? He’s saying shadddup!
October 25th, 2006 at 2:15 pmi think you bible burners are assholes. i’m not a christian. but i at least have the decency to allow people to state their own opinions and beliefs. your lack-of-religion (and mine, for that matter) is no better than his christianity.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:16 pmI hate to break it to you jrichter, but gravity is also a “theory” in science.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:16 pmBiology is based on the “theory†of evolution. Can you observe evolution? Can you test it? Can you repeat it?
Yes. Clearly you’ve never heard of the tsetse fly, which was the subject of many experiments because it’s life span is just one day long. Long enough for us to observe it…
With gravity you can. Try flying on your own. In fact, why don’t you try evolving.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:12 pm
Evolution is not a personal choice. But, clearly, from your post, de-evolution is.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:17 pmEvery time there’s a discussion like this all the bibleboys do is prove to the rest of us that they have no real understanding of science. How sad.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:18 pmBluedog49: wasing praying here mate thanks, a hypocryte is someone to says look at me im great, once again u take the bible out of context
October 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pmnice one
October 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pmFinally, this is a 30 year old quote. Things have changed since.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 25, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
In religious-speak, isn’t it actually much, much older? You know, how a 70 year old man is said to have been 900 years old in the Bible, and the 4.5 billion year old Earth is said to be just over 6,000? : )
October 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pmBluedog49 the theory has been proven wrong by SCIENCE
October 25th, 2006 at 2:20 pmI love it when Christians claim miracles when medicine has had the reason for fixing problems. I love it when they say well Medicine is a miracle inspired by God. No it’s from Science observing the Human body and fixing its “shitty design.” Religion has been taking claims on scientific findings for years and claiming them as their own when it fits in there “master plan.” Grow up and see the light and where it’s really coming from.
Oh and so God talks to you? Might want to go see someone about that. IN some parts we call you crazy. Wake up and smell the Coffee and realize you are only tricking yourself. You tell yourself it’s from God when in fact it’s from you and the out side world. We are extremely intelligent and can think on our own and figure things out, no need for a made up god just so you can claim miracles.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:20 pmHave you been able to make that fly some other insect? or perhaps a different creature all together? Or is it still a fly?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:21 pm2Peter 3 “But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
October 25th, 2006 at 2:21 pmchad: “your lack-of-religion (and mine, for that matter) is no better than his christianity.”
So the idea that I’m going to spend an eternity being tortured in hell for not accepting church dogma is equivalent to the idea that science can offer us answers to the mysteries of the universe that religion is ill-equipped to offer.
Sorry, shitheal. You’re not going to win that one.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:21 pmi heard chuck norris decapitated himself when he heard himself say something that stupid.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:22 pmyour lack-of-religion (and mine, for that matter) is no better than his christianity.
Comment by chad — October 25, 2006 @ 2:16 pm
chad = pete
(See how much better that is pete-chad? We can logically decipher things when we use our brains.)
October 25th, 2006 at 2:22 pmBluedog49 the theory has been proven wrong by SCIENCE
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
So you said. Prove it.
(Hint: you can’t, because you are lying).
October 25th, 2006 at 2:24 pmPete, you’re standing on the corner proclaiming your love of Jesus and God. Please read Matthew again. He’s talking about you.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:24 pmhow do explain the weegie board.
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
Er, oh, wishful thinking? Self-delusion? Willful ignorance?
the theory of evolution has been proven wrong
Really? When? By whom? Do you have links, evidence?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:25 pmHave you been able to make that fly some other insect? or perhaps a different creature all together?
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
This is your own strawman and not what the theory of evolution says. If that actually happened, then the teory would have been completely refuted.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:26 pmIn religious-speak, isn’t it actually much, much older? You know, how a 70 year old man is said to have been 900 years old in the Bible, and the 4.5 billion year old Earth is said to be just over 6,000? Comment by unbelievable — October 25, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
So how do you know that the earth is so old?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:26 pmCharles Bronson could kick Chuck Norris’ ass.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:27 pmjrighter – you make the standard mistake of using the word ‘theory’ incorrectly. Let us help you. A quick primer in scientific method is available at Wikipedia – I will paraphrase a bit
A scientific theory is an explanation of oberved, measurable, repeatable phenomena. It is testable, falsifiable and may therefore be discarded at some point.
Just for sh*ts and grins, here wikipedia on a religion:
Religion is a system of social coherence based on a common group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an object, person, unseen being, or system of thought considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions, and rituals associated with such belief or system of thought.
Alrighty, a scientific theory clearly cannot be a religion – after all, how can you falsify using natural observed phenomena something that is supernatural?
I guess that puts paid to this foaming nonsensical statement:
Those who believe that it is a fact have turned it into a religion. I believe that it takes just as much faith to believe that evolution exists as it does to believe that God created everything.
Ok, let’s turn to law. Newton’s three LAWS of motion are a best a good guess, right Einstein? So even LAWS really aren’t that much different than a good theory.
OK facts about evolution. This statement of yours is also a load of bollocks:
One that cannot be proven or even tested
Course it can – the fossil record for one thing, imperfect though it is. You want proof of evolutionary behavior in measured lifetime – explain how the bacteria which cause many of the nastier types of infectious disease, TB, strep, e-coli are now resistant to penicillin? That, sonny jim is a fact a measurable, repeatable, non-supernatural fact, and the Theory of Evolution explains it better than anything else we can think of today. If something better comes along to explain it then fine, but until then… well if you think that belief in the supernatural is going to help you explain your world more than scientific theory, well that wraps it up for gravity, Maxwell’s equations as well as Darwin.
The US government is on board with the concept of evolution as supported by facts: google Pacific Northwest sockeye salmon, status review 1997 and evolution and the noaa.
Or do you make a prayer to some flying spaghetti monster thing everytime you turn on a light?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:27 pmWhy are christians so uncertain of their beliefs that just the mention of a scientific theory sends them into a whining, honking tailspin? Evidently, one would barely get his feet wet wading into the depths of their belief.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:29 pmHave you been able to make that fly some other insect? or perhaps a different creature all together? Or is it still a fly?
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Make it? If you hadn’t typed it there in black and white, Inever would have believed anyone could be that willfully stupid.
You know, I’d have better luck teaching my cat to sing the National Athem in Portugeuse (which I don’t speak), than getting you to understand that flies don’t magically change into other things at their level of maturity, but that evolution occurs at the cellular level.
Here’s a shocker, j… You evolved from a single celled organism. Yep. Want proof? Okay… you started out life as your mother’s egg, a single-celled organism, which was fertilized by your father’s sperm and began to grow into you. In case you failed to notice, there are other people who look nothing like you. This is proof for evolution. If it were intelligent design, that egg and sperm would produce perfect little replicas of their parents every time…
October 25th, 2006 at 2:30 pmits proven wrong because there is something about the proteins extra enzyms in apes that if were present in humans would kill us
October 25th, 2006 at 2:30 pm“Have you been able to make that fly some other insect? or perhaps a different creature all together?”
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Like I said, bibleboys rush to their keyboards to prove just how much they don’t understand science.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:31 pmJrichter: “So how do you know that the earth is so old?”
Matter decays. We can measure the rate of decay. It’s “science.” Check into it sometime. It’s fascinating.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:32 pmYet those bacteria are still of their same kind. They never evolved into something they are not. Resistant to disease or not. I say thats survival. I am not saying things cant learn. I am saying they cannot become something totally different. Bacteria don’t “evolve” to become animals. They “evovle” to become better bacteria.
The fossil record… come on.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThere was an EVE, this fact has been proven. All homo sapiens sapiens have been proved to have origins with the same mother, or EVE.
Evolution is real. Animals evolve, look at all their minute differences.
Then look at us, we look like aliens compared to most things on this planet. Cite our differences. HUmans are the only species that can take a thought and make it a reality. We are the only ones who can create for the sake of creation or inspiration.
Humans were Created, not like magic poof Jesus shit, but with genetic engineering
Notice the intertwined snakes on the universal medical symbol? Remind you of anything? Maybe the double helix structure of DNA?
Kings blood, the Giants, Nephilim. Read the bible, study anceint history.
You know in the bible it talks about “god” mating with the gos creation (humans) and that their offspring were Giants. Crazy shit.
Ever wondered why Kings are so anal about their Kings blood and incestual marriages? Its because the kings were gentically altered (by the gods) in able to facilitate better communication with the gods, and so that they could rule over their people more wisely.
Kings blood, Giants blood, unevolved neanderthals blood, and pure us
Homo Sapiens Sapiens… Thinking man.
Where did we come from? Nobody knows henc ethe missing link between Neadnerthals H Sapiences and us H Sapiene Sapiens.
They appeared in Sumer from nowhere, and they alreay had almost all of the knowledge that we base our society of today. Where did they get it or how did they learn it?
They say that the god came down on wings or chariots of fire (spaceships) and taught them everything they knew.
This is very similar to how the Lord teaches Adam and Eve how to till the land after he exiles them from EDEN.
Educate yourselves guys.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:33 pmPete: “but the proteins extra enzyms in apes….”
Pete, just give it up. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:34 pmFor all my Christian “brothers” who are so threatened by evolution, did it ever occur to you that when God gave us dominion over the earth, he also gave us the science to do so? Animal husbandry is an example of applied evolution science, manipulation of a natural process by man to a particular desired end. Changing anti-biotics in order to stay ahead of the adapting mechanism of bacteria is another example. By denying the mechanisms of evolution, many of my Christian “brothers” are denying God’s creation.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:34 pmHere’s a shocker, j… You evolved from a single celled organism. Yep. Want proof? Okay… you started out life as your mother’s egg, a single-celled organism, which was fertilized by your father’s sperm and began to grow into you. In case you failed to notice, there are other people who look nothing like you. This is proof for evolution. If it were intelligent design, that egg and sperm would produce perfect little replicas of their parents every time…
Comment by unbelievable — October 25, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
I think you have that mistaken with cloning.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:34 pmPETE:
if You are paying for the subcription to some Christian Scinece Mag drop it. The Pseudo-Science you are spitting out it burning my eyes. Learn your shit or don’t say it.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:35 pmThere was an EVE, this fact has been proven. All homo sapiens sapiens have been proved to have origins with the same mother, or EVE.
Evolution is real. Animals evolve, look at all their minute differences.
Then look at us, we look like aliens compared to most things on this planet. Cite our differences. HUmans are the only species that can take a thought and make it a reality. We are the only ones who can create for the sake of creation or inspiration.
Humans were Created, not like magic poof Jesus shit, but with genetic engineering
Notice the intertwined snakes on the universal medical symbol? Remind you of anything? Maybe the double helix structure of DNA?
Kings blood, the Giants, Nephilim. Read the bible, study anceint history.
You know in the bible it talks about “god” mating with the gos creation (humans) and that their offspring were Giants. Crazy shit.
Ever wondered why Kings are so anal about their Kings blood and incestual marriages? Its because the kings were gentically altered (by the gods) in able to facilitate better communication with the gods, and so that they could rule over their people more wisely.
Kings blood, Giants blood, unevolved neanderthals blood, and pure us
Homo Sapiens Sapiens… Thinking man.
Where did we come from? Nobody knows henc ethe missing link between Neadnerthals H Sapiences and us H Sapiene Sapiens.
They appeared in Sumer from nowhere, and they alreay had almost all of the knowledge that we base our society of today. Where did they get it or how did they learn it?
They say that the god came down on wings or chariots of fire (spaceships) and taught them everything they knew.
This is very similar to how the Lord teaches Adam and Eve how to till the land after he exiles them from EDEN.
Educate yourselves guys..
October 25th, 2006 at 2:35 pmSo how do you know that the earth is so old?
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Math, Geology, Biology, Astrology, Evolution, Climatology, etc. all add up to the same conclusion…
A way I used to tell my high school Physical Science class was that if it takes 20 observative years to watch water transform a river into a deeper river, then by the depths of the Grand Canyon, we know that the planet must be millions of years old. It’s far more complex than that, but it’s a basic concept…
October 25th, 2006 at 2:35 pmReezy, that’s all very fantastic. Now, you need empirical proof, peer reviews, a hypothesis to disprove. There’s lots of work to do. Get to it.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:37 pmits proven wrong because there is something about the proteins extra enzyms in apes that if were present in humans would kill us
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
That makes zero sense. Have a link for the scientific studies on that one?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:37 pmSo you know about the things that went on during the mount st helens explosion. How the different mud flows carved out canyons that should have taken thousands of years to create.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:38 pm“I thought we weren’t supposed to pay attention to those Hollywood liberal types.”
HOW IS RELIGION LIBERAL ??
October 25th, 2006 at 2:40 pmThe ancients glorified gods that manifest themselves through patterns of stars or constellations. They were so amazed by that which they did not understand that they had to associate these mystical lights in the sky with something far greater than themselves. Soon the natives gave these shapes names, descriptions, and even personalities. Nearly every culture on Earth has seen patterns in the stars. But, not surprisingly, very few have seen the same patterns. Take, for example, the Big Dipper, perhaps the most recognizable star pattern in the sky. The Big Dipper is not actually a constellation itself, but is part of a larger pattern known to the Greeks as Ursa Major, the Great Bear. The seven stars of the Big Dipper have inspired many stories, perhaps because they are bright and located so near the north celestial pole, around which the stars rotate during the course of the night. But not everyone calls it a Dipper. The British call it a Plough. In Southern France, it is a Saucepan. The Skidi Pawnee Indians saw a stretcher on which a sick man was carried. To the ancient Maya, it was a mythological parrot named Seven Macaw. Hindu sky lore called it the Seven Rishis, or Wise Men. To the early Egyptians, it was the thigh and leg of a bull. The ancient Chinese thought of it as a special chariot for the Emperor of the Heaven or some other celestial bureaucrat. For the Micmac Indians of Canada’s Maritime Provinces, along with several other North American Indian tribes, the bowl of the Big Dipper was a bear, and the stars in the handle represented hunters tracking the bear. And in the nineteenth century, the Big Dipper became a symbol of freedom for runaway slaves, who “followed the Drinking Gourd” to the northern states.
I digress.
The point i’m trying to make here is simple.
All over the world since the beginning of man people have been looking up. Ages ago people saw things very differently than we do today in modern times. Now I can look up in the sky and know that those little points of light are not gods and goddesses, bears and bulls, dippers and saucepans. Whatever cultural definition seemed fitting at the time. They are actually nuclear fuled fireballs billions of light years away.
Which makes me think. What about all the people who died in Zeus’s name?
NO MATTER WHO SAW THEM FIRST, WHO WANTS THEM THE MOST OR
WHO THINKS THAT THEIR STARS ARE THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL…
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME STARS – It just depends on your perception.
Never stop questioning.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:40 pmsorry about the typo; its proven wrong because there are extra enzyms in apes that if were present in humans would kill us”
anyway if you guys are so set on ur theory of evolution and the ‘FACT’ that God does not exist how do you explain miricles?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:40 pmEvolution is not a personal choice. But, clearly, from your post, de-evolution is.
Comment by unbelievable
Sometimes your anti-religious comments rub me a little wrong, but THIS was absolutely, positively hilarious. A tip of the hat.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:41 pmTheory of Evolution: A Very Simple Proof:
Go talk to a horse farmer. Ask them about how you get a faster thoroughbred.
There is very little difference between evolution and breeding animals for superior traits, like cows for more milk, or horses for more speed. All evolution propper is, is slower because it is left to nature, not human intervention.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pmpete
Name one and we can get started. Most are just magic tricks, dumb luck or BS.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:43 pmive seen cancer bow down like a dog
God has made me promises and kept them, aswel as answering my prayers – some answered within a few hours
i know God!
Listen. I hate taking sides in this because I do have a “spiritual” side (not religious), but I don’t believe a big man with a beard is directly intervening for our sake based on faith. I don’t want to offend, but do clearly want to point out that a “miracle” is in the eye’s the beholder. Every day new mothers and fathers proclaim the “miracle” of their new child’s birth. Sorry, it’s not a miracle, it happens a thousand times today. It’s actually pretty damn reliable to work out just fine on its own. We just do all the medical tests to make sure.
For every cancer that has “bowed down” to your mighty mighty prayer, there are thousands that ravage the most wonderful people in the world with so much to offer, no matter how much they or their family prays. And what about those who are unconscious and have no family and cannot pray for themselves when in a medical emergency? Does God just shun them and say “Doh! Sucks for you!”
If there is a God, there is zero evidence (even after many studies) that he actually usurps the laws of physics he set into place just for your (or anybody’s) temporary emotional or physical well being. You can even go to your literature to find this out. Did Jesus spare himselfe and smite all his enemies and just leave those that followed Christ around to repopulate the world ? No. Jesus (if the mythical Jesus capable of such feets ever existed) led by example and helped people and did things that today would be “liberal” and shown contempt by those that claim to follow him.
Stop hiding behind your religion just so you can continue to believe as fact, literature written by humans (not by the pen of a diety) to explain nature before they had good science to model what was happening. Personally, if I was more religious than I am, I would be ELATED to discover the true mechanism by which my God was creating complex life. If you think of evolution as just the natural course of biology based on the rules of matter and energy set in place by your God, it’s pretty damn amazing that a collection of base elements can eventually combine together into such a fantastic series of reactions, that it can actually think for itself, replicate itself, and has mechanisms to continually change and adapt itself to the surroundings. That’s incredible! Absolutely incredible. The very existence of life is amazing. Understanding how it works only makes it more amazing, not less. Thinking that a big bearded man reached down and clumped together some clay and did a little hocus pocus — but we can never understand how he did it of course — that’s belittling your God. You are saying he can’t make something as amazing and incredible as how the universe actually is. You are also saying that his creation can never reach a level whereby they understand and can prove the true nature of the universe. We are mental slaves to his will and he wants to keep us oppressed. His only mechanism by which to create is to just go “poof” and it’s done. If there is a “creator” of existence, I think he would be much more creative than that. Especially if all this stuff about a “great plan” is real. If he has a plan, why not just “poof” it to the ending instead of setting up scenarios and letting it play out?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:44 pmYet those bacteria are still of their same kind. They never evolved into something they are not.
So? As long as their environment is support of them existing in their state, there is no need to evolve. Them not evolving proves, or rather dis-proves nothing. It just says that their conditions continue to support their existence as they are. Evolution only occurs when it is necessary to the survival of the species (which may need to become another species).
Humans came to evolve from small monkeys that were prey to large animals. They began to travel in groups (why we are social beings), and eventually began to eat animal protiens (probably grub worms) that allowed their brains to evolve, as well as their size. Eventually, due to teh need to survive (which is hard to do when you are prey), we became larger animals that became preditors. It’s why you need certain animo acids from meat – to maintain the change. Nothing intelligent there. Just basic survival.
Resistant to disease or not. I say thats survival. I am not saying things cant learn. I am saying they cannot become something totally different. Bacteria don’t “evolve†to become animals. They “evovle†to become better bacteria.
But sometimes becoming better bacteria is to become a different variety of animal.
The fossil record… come on.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:33 pm
It’s tangible. How can you deny something that you can go look at yourself?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:44 pmScientific Fact No. 1 – Birds Prove Natural Selection is Naturally Wrong.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:45 pmSo how do you know that the earth is so old?
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
How do you know it’s not? Come on sonny, UB is stacking up her facts, where are yours? I’d add the measured invariance of the speed of light and it’s implications on the age of the universe. There’s really no other proof needed.
Adopting a religion as a basis for behavior is like buying a lottery ticket and then acting as if you’ve already won. Now I know Schrodinger tells me that the lottery ticket, as long as it stays in my wallet unobserved, occupies a probability function where it moves between winning and losing. I find this helps me and gives me comfort, especially on the days I hate my job. It’s only when I take the lottery ticket out of the wallet and check the winning numbers that it assumes its final state. And since this is almost always a losing ticket, I find that it is generally foolish to alter my behavior simply because I have bought the ticket to begin with. That’s why I don’t by lottery tickets or subscribe to a religion.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:45 pmPete: *sniffsniff* I can smell the ignorance and stupidity wafting off you.
Nice 2nd grade writing there too bub, obviously paid a lot of attention in school didn’t you? Andy yes, I’ll lower myself to the level of insults, I’ve about had it with your disgusting kind. Please, for the sake of the species and planet, get your friends and family together and die in a fire.
Is it any wonder the rest of the world looks at the U.S. in abject horror. Can you imagine if Pete, Darryl, and thier ilk were in total control of things? The last time that happened I think they called it the Dark Ages.
There is no more place in this world for good ole time religion, of any flavor. Hey humanity: It’s time to put your toys down, show your imaginary friends the door, stop fighting, and put on your big boy pants…the stars are calling.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:46 pmI think you have that mistaken with cloning.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
Nope. We all start out life as single cells – our mother’s eggs, and eventually turn into humans. All life does.
Someone should have taught you this is about 7th grade. Did your parents sign the opt-out form from sex ed?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:46 pmlike i said ive witnessed cancer dispear like it was never there, the guy had like a few weeks to live, hes now fine.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:46 pmthe church stole christmas, it was not a christian holiday before the church decided to call it christ’s birthday and make the winter pagan festival a christian holiday.
if you’re a christian celebrating christmas you are celebrating a lie. NICE
October 25th, 2006 at 2:47 pmPete, I don’t remember reading any post that said it’s a “fact that God doesn’t exist.” That must have been an hallucination on your part. Better go back and re-evaluate all these “miracles” you’ve evidently witnessed.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:49 pmSo you know about the things that went on during the mount st helens explosion. How the different mud flows carved out canyons that should have taken thousands of years to create.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
There’s hope for you yet, you’ve started investigating the possibilities instead of those whackjobs with their Creation Museum who discounted all the geology about the Canyon and went straight for “I dunno, the spaghetti monster did it”. If you can show us the studies that show the Canyon was created by lehaar, then you are on to something, but … oh yes, sky fairy is still not needed there, sorry.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:49 pmSo you know about the things that went on during the mount st helens explosion. How the different mud flows carved out canyons that should have taken thousands of years to create.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
But the Grand Canyon was never volcanic. You can’t assume volcanos if there is no evidence for them in teh area.
Besides, water erosion has identifyable “fingerprints”.
Seriously j, leave your livingroom and go travel. It’s not scary… I’ve survived and I’m just a tiny little woman…
October 25th, 2006 at 2:50 pmhah clyde u think i care what u say about me and ur views?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:51 pm145 jrichter
Modern geological evolutionary theory accepts that there are both rapid and slow processes at work in change. Besides, water and volcanic flow certainly are not the same and would not operate on rock in the same way. Your arguments are as hollow as the Grand Canyon.
Why are my Christian brothers so determined to attack evolution (or any other material world issue, for that matter)? Our religious foundation is LOVE. That’s it. Not condemn. Not teach. Not judge. Not change political systems. Love. That’s it. Go practice it in all its forms: charity, brotherhood, justice, mercy, compassion. That’s it.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:52 pmPete: “Scientific Fact No. 1 – Birds Prove Natural Selection is Naturally Wrong.”
You know, Pete is never going to read “Origin of the Species” or even a fair synopsis of it. He’s been listening to preachers, probably from the time he was very young and the propaganda has made it very difficult for him to think clearly. This is why some people see church indoctrination of the young as a form of child abuse.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:52 pmScientific Fact No. 1 – Birds Prove Natural Selection is Naturally Wrong.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:53 pmScientific Fact No. 2 – Species Without a Link Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 3 – Single Cell Complexity Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 4 – Human Egg and Sperm Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 5 – DNA Error Checking Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 6 – Chaos From Organization Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 7 – Chromosome Count Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 8 – Origin of Matter and Stars Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 9 – Lack of Life on Mars Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 10 – Radio Silence from Space Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientific Fact No. 11 – Timeline and Archaeology Prove Evolution is Wrong.
sorry about the typo; its proven wrong because there are extra enzyms in apes that if were present in humans would kill usâ€
Still makes no sense, because we have evolved. Where’s your validation?
anyway if you guys are so set on ur theory of evolution and the ‘FACT’ that God does not exist how do you explain miricles?
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
Miracles? There are no miracles.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:55 pmScientific Fact No. 1 – Birds Prove Natural Selection is Naturally Wrong.
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Huh? Why? If you are talking about wings then that’s too easy. The so-called ‘that thing is too complex and it is indivisible at the same time’ is easy to refute. In your case – the example is flying squirrel. And don’t give me the complex eye, either, the answer is earthworm.
At least we’ve moved off the ‘Genesis verse whatsit’ crap.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:55 pmPete, the way science works is to challenge all accepted theory constantly. Each of the “facts” you have listed should be subject to testing for repeatability and accuracy. In science, just saying something means next to nothing. It’s not like religion, where you just say the right words and you are saved.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:56 pmsquirrels cant fly they can just jump
October 25th, 2006 at 2:58 pmand can somebody tell me why we still have apes today?
October 25th, 2006 at 2:58 pmSome crucified bink lobbing bibles is hardly a basis for a system of religion.
October 25th, 2006 at 2:59 pmPete:
If you are going to post a load of crap, please link to your sources and explain how your crap proves your point. Right at the moment, my feeling is that you are a nutter who does not know the first thing about what you are talking about.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:00 pm“pete”, could explain genetic mutation
October 25th, 2006 at 3:00 pm“HOW IS RELIGION LIBERAL ??”
HOW DO I FAILED COMPREHENSIONS??
October 25th, 2006 at 3:00 pmHere is an idea. Say the earth was created. Just for fun shall we. Lets also throw in a black hole, and a bounded universe.
So God starts with a mass of water. Say about two lightyears in diameter. Then he puts a black hole at its center. The immense gravity causes the particles to tear apart and change into other elements, and light. The mass collapses onto itself and becomes denser. When a set time has passed, God divides the mass. At that time he changes the black hole to a white hole. He has the material for earth in place as well as for the other planets. As the event horizon collapses back to the center, and the divided mass moves away and through the event horizon, time changes relatively the same inside the white hole, yet moves faster and faster outside the event horizon. Now, there is alot of other stuff going on here. Of which I dont understand. But, the jist of it is, time is relative. If this were to have happened you could have a young earth, and a relatively old universe.
The book is Starlight and Time written by D. Russell Humphreys. If you would like the actual scientific papers…
Ofcourse, this is just one more theory. Have at it boys.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:00 pmSometimes your anti-religious comments rub me a little wrong,
I still stick by my philosophy that you choose your feelings. Granted, society conditions us in similar ways, but ultimately, if you are bothered – it is not something I own.
I am anti-religion, because I think it’s dangerous in 95% of the people who follow it.
You might be an exception, and I accept that. But rarely do the exceptions ever set the rule fo me. When the rest of the crazy religious nuts start sounding like you, then I’ll have no need to say anything. Until then, you might wanna skip my posts on religion. They will be disparaging – especially when I’m debating a troll or someone using religion for selfish means…
I have no animosity for you. This isn’t personal. It’s about standing up to something I think is responsible for destroying so many things I value, for degrading women, for damaging teh self-esteem in children, for war, and worse.
but THIS was absolutely, positively hilarious. A tip of the hat.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — October 25, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
Thanks!
October 25th, 2006 at 3:01 pmSeriously j, leave your livingroom and go travel. It’s not scary… I’ve survived and I’m just a tiny little woman…
Comment by unbelievable — October 25, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
I’m going to guess you’ve evolved to a point where your intelligence overcomes what you might perceive (size) to be a disadvantage.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:03 pmAnd can somebody tell me why this guy still isn’t listening? For the love of the person you call a God listen that had already been explained in the secon on bacteria.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:03 pmScientific Fact No. 1 – Birds Prove Natural Selection is Naturally Wrong.
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Calling it a scientific fact does not make it one pete…
Birds evolved from reptiles who sought refuge in trees.
Wings were an evolutionary trait that were a result of needed stability in jumping from limb to limb. Birds still have reptile feet, and still lay eggs. The just evolved wings and feathers that helped them become better reptiles-living-in-trees. Get it?
October 25th, 2006 at 3:05 pmjrichter – you’ve regessed sonny, you were not paying attention when I explained what a theory was.
So God starts with a mass of water.
Whoops, this is untestable or falsifiable. uurrgh – thanks for playing.
Pete, you must be cutting and pasting from something now… pray (hehe) tells us what so we can learn from your luminescent intellect.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:06 pmThat’s why I don’t by lottery tickets or subscribe to a religion.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 25, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Excellent analogy! Mind if I borrow it in future debates – giving you credit, of course? :)
October 25th, 2006 at 3:07 pmAnd, UB, one day there might be a true flying squirrel… but I doubt it, the Rapturists/Dominionists/Millenialists want to chop them all down and bring Jesus back…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:08 pmNo it just proves that we haven’t found the link yet. Lots of species in fact do have links, including cats, and dogs.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:09 pmNo surprise here.
He’s a Christian Republican extremist — it’s no surprise that this insane Christian doesn’t accept undeniable fact — name one Christian Republidiot that does. Just one.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:09 pmlater boys and girls. It was fun chatting.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:10 pmhttp://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm
if you read that and still deny creation then your just very nieve
October 25th, 2006 at 3:11 pmand can somebody tell me why we still have apes today?
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
Humans are apes – just s different variety. There were no apes over a million years ago. So where did they come from?
Here’s another big shock for you… The universe is about 15 billion years old. Our solar system is only about 4.5 billion years old. Meaning, there are over 10 billion years between the origin of the universe and the beginning of the solar system…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:12 pm“peteâ€, could explain genetic mutation
Comment by John — October 25, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
Usually evolution moves the species forward, but occasionally, it spits something out that is proof that it’s not intelligent. I nominate him for that award…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:14 pmSome crucified bink lobbing bibles is hardly a basis for a system of religion.
Comment by Monty — October 25, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help I’m being repressed!
UB – of course, flattered to participate in your physics class.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:16 pmOfcourse, this is just one more theory. Have at it boys.
Comment by jrichter — October 25, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
Proof that he’s not reading any of our responses… I made it clear about that I am not a man…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:16 pmMy weegie board said that squirrels cant fly, but they can just jump like proteins extra enzyms in apes that bow down like dog birds that kill humans proving natural selection is naturally wrong.
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006
I couldn’t have said it any better myself buddy… don’t let anyone convince you’re wrong!
October 25th, 2006 at 3:17 pmPete #99 – why does your god hate amputees? Huh? Yeah that’s a miracle that’s never happened (not referring to you spelling something correctly as a miracle either).
Why is it that no one has ever regenerated a lost limb? Now that would be a miracle. God hates amputees!
October 25th, 2006 at 3:19 pmDaryll,where in the Bible does it talk about celebrating Christmas? Hint, it doesn’t. Jesus didn’t even celebrate his own birthday; neither did his disciples or the early church. Doofus.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:21 pmI’m going to guess you’ve evolved to a point where your intelligence overcomes what you might perceive (size) to be a disadvantage.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 25, 2006 @ 3:03 pm
You know, you have a point. It hasn’t all been me. I did grow up with brothers, and had parents who encouraged me to consider myself as capable as men. Oddly, my willingness to ignore my size makes men generally like me. Funny how all those helpless girly girls think they have the advantage :)
So, yes, proof of evolution, in a single lifetime :)
October 25th, 2006 at 3:22 pm187 pete
I went to the site you presented. After reading the inaccurate “definitions” in the first paragraph, I dismissed the article and did not read anymore. So, anybody who can read anymore of this “information” is naive.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:22 pmpete
That link… It is the biggest load of unmittigated crap I have ever seen. Honestly, look at this bit of reasoning: natural selection were true humans in the tropics would have silver, reflective skin to help them keep cool, but they don’t.
Anybody who knows anything about skin cancer, or for that matter sunburn can point out why the author is a retard based purely on that statement. White people have a higher incidence of skin cancer then black people. We burn easier then black people. This is because our skin’s lighter shade, comes at the expense, of protection against the sun.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:23 pmAnd, UB, one day there might be a true flying squirrel… but I doubt it, the Rapturists/Dominionists/Millenialists want to chop them all down and bring Jesus back…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 25, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
I think the next forms of evolution will be whatever crawls out ofthe rubble from the “nucular battle” Bush is planning…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:25 pmLots of species in fact do have links, including cats, and dogs.
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — October 25, 2006 @ 3:09 pm
So do humans. I was appalled the day they announced that they’d found the final missing link – last February without much mention in the media.
There is no longer any missing links for humans from monkeys.
Horses also have intact evolutionary links…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:27 pmWell pete, I read your link until I got to the first use of the word ‘Bible’ then I stopped as any pretence at scientific study had just left the page in a puff of ether.
Natural selection can never extend outside of the DNA limit. DNA cannot be changed into a new species by natural selection
This appeared to be the basis for the entire diatribe – that DNA was immutable. OK, so it’s a chemical molecule. But the basis of evolutionary theory concerns the mutation and impact of mutation of genes, which are constructed from DNA sequences not a single molecule of DNA……
Whoops – the person who wrote that stuff really didn’t stay long in school, huh? Neither did you I guess too.
Now it’s your turn to read – google ‘wikipedia evolution’
October 25th, 2006 at 3:27 pmhttp://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm
if you read that and still deny creation then your just very nieve
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 3:11 pm
By the way, it’s spelled ‘naive’… Thanks for the laugh at your ignorant remark.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:29 pmUB – of course, flattered to participate in your physics class.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 25, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
Officially, I teach Architecture. Unofficially, I’m trying to tie in all of their other classes, as well as teach them a few useful life things… It’s been a bit of an experiement, actually. I’ve been able to try things that were theories – such as treating them like adults and watching them rise to the occasion (they have). They are awesome people. I absolutely love mytime in the classroom (the rest of my job is government buracracy which majorly sucks… imagine that! :)
October 25th, 2006 at 3:32 pmBy the way, it’s spelled ‘naive’… Thanks for the laugh at your ignorant remark.
Comment by unbelievable
Play nice, unbelivable. Pete’s spelling is evolving.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:32 pmunbelievable
You sound like the kind of teacher every kid wants – somebody who is both interested in the subject and the students.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:36 pmPlay nice, unbelivable. Pete’s spelling is evolving.
Comment by Zooey — October 25, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
I’d sure he’d deny it :)
I have the week off and cannot stay away from TP… Damn you Judd, this site is so freaking addictive…. :)
I should go do something that doesn’t involve grading things or dentists… :)
October 25th, 2006 at 3:38 pmPoor Pete – no wonder you don’t believe in Evolution – I wouldn’t either if I believed a web site by an author who clearly knows nothing about it! But then, why would you believe an author who received their degree in a double-wide mobile home of a university.
Home skooled much lately?
October 25th, 2006 at 3:39 pmUm I love ignorant people
October 25th, 2006 at 3:39 pmHollywood Liberal um NO!
he is a great Christian man that is anything but a liberal.
Funny how you bashing him and his ideals is actually a liberal stance nice to see most people here have no idea where there stance is.
Besides there really isnt much difference between the two parties when it comes time to ruining our country just play good cop bad cop and have us play right into my team is better than yours when in fact they are both just as bad.
Blessings
As long as they argee with her. :)
October 25th, 2006 at 3:40 pmand can somebody tell me why we still have apes today?
Comment by pete — October 25, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
Yes! He actually said it! This sort of ignorance just made my day! It’s okay, Pete. Mel Gibson doesn’t understand it either. It requires the evolved trait of a frontal lobe to form complex thoughts.
Damn it, you stinking apes! Evolve already!
October 25th, 2006 at 3:43 pmThanks for not filling your kids’ heads with worthless dogma. Although I am at a loss to guess how Schrodinger’s Cat comes into architecture… I hope the building I’m in doesn’t occupy a probability function between being up or collapsing.
Some of Chuck Norris’s facts are actually funny… but you might be able to guess several of the general themes. Their appeal to today’s American male is unquestioned. Give me Jackie Chan anytime and Bruce Campbell if we are into chins.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:44 pmYou sound like the kind of teacher every kid wants – somebody who is both interested in the subject and the students.
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — October 25, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
Thanks, I certainly hope so. I don’t think many teachers understand how they are destroying our future in this country by treating 14-18 year olds like elementary school children.
The first day of school I asked for a show of hands of how many people thought high school was boring. I raised my hand, to letthem know it wasn’t a trick, and most of them raised theirs and then laughed that they’d been validated.
I work hard trying to make my class interesting. It’s a hard class, because I think making it easy would be a waste of their time. But they respect the fact that they can be themselves, and I don’t get them in trouble for it. As a result, they follow the classroom rules and the Principal never has to deal with behavior issues. Makes my life easier, and I enjoy going to school every day to see them. They say that they like the class… And I occasionally get invited to weekend parties :)
The religious right would never approve of my classroom :).
October 25th, 2006 at 3:45 pmSomeguy
If you honestly believe that: Vote independent or STFU.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:47 pmOkay, I gotta go do other things for at least an hour… But I will be back. As usual, you guys are hilarious, and brilliant! Ya’ll are why this is so addictive.
If I wouldn’t get fired, I’d send my students here to learn from the true modern masters… :)
Later!
October 25th, 2006 at 3:48 pmunbelievable
If the religious right aproves, you know you are doing something wrong. Personally, give me a building that was designed by an atheist any day, at least I know it isn’t being held up by the power of prayer ;)
October 25th, 2006 at 3:50 pmReezy, do you also know that it has been proven that everyone who can be said to be an ancestor of anyone living today, is an ancestor of everyone living today, if you go back a mere 2000 years. Eve isn’t as old as you think.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:52 pmI am constantly amazed at the ridiculous comments that come out of the family valued! For those that do believe in God it is not a difficult conclusion that God put in place a set of rules (laws) that even God followed. In other words why are the religious right (single minded bigots) so afraid of using their imagination? That’s right what if…
October 25th, 2006 at 3:54 pmSo do humans. I was appalled the day they announced that they’d found the final missing link – last February without much mention in the media.
There is no longer any missing links for humans from monkeys.
unbelievable
How did you verify this information and assume it is the missing link? What scientific proof do you give?
October 25th, 2006 at 3:55 pmWhere are all the fossil records of monkey to man. Only one, shouldn’t there be thousands more?
[...] You’re wrong… evolution is real… [...]
October 25th, 2006 at 3:57 pmit really doesnt matter what others think of evolution…..scientist know evolution if a fact and most of modern biolgy is based on that fact…so the rest of you can aruge about it all you want. scientists know it as fact and that is what matters.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:59 pmAn evolution denier can’t be the world’s biggest badass. World’s biggest dumbass, maybe.
Who’s up for starting a Steven Seagal Facts page? Or maybe Jean-Claude Van Damme?
October 25th, 2006 at 4:04 pmman lots of people who believe in evolution post somthing when one declares that god created us yet where are the religious people as for me I belive that god created us and fully agree with chuck norris and here is a fact to chew on for those of you who think that god does not exist. do you really want to risk being wrong and end up spending an eternity in hell burning for not beliving in jesus as your savior I sure dont… and if you dont belive in evolution what happens when you die… does charles darwin come shove a pencil up your ass or what. I just dont see the attraction to evolution… do any of you know what charles darwin’s dying words were: “evolution is not true” yes these were darwins dying words. showing you that he only did it for recognition and was probabbly a christian that belived in god and is not burining in hell so next time before you jump to the conclusion that man is all powerful and has discovered the truth about life why not try thinking what happens if i die and im wrong… and then answer it by saying I will burn in hell for an eternity if I dont belive in god and in jesus christ as my saviour
October 25th, 2006 at 4:10 pmHey Daryll,
Have you ever actually read the bible. Becasue it sounds like you have not, or at least you’ve only read the passages you like. But really it sounds like you just listen to you Reverand/Father/Preacher and spout the non-sense interputations of the bible they give you. Before you start pushing you beliefs on anyone else do some research!!! I guarentee you have done several thing in your lifetime that are stoning offences based on the bible.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:15 pm221 bellito,
Pascal’s Wager has been defeated over 300 years ago – nice try though. Presume Allah is the real god then we’re all screwed huh? Besides, wouldn’t an all-knowing god be totally aware that you just believe in him out of fear? Wouldn’t it realize you took a gamble just to get some brownie points. I doubt any god would care if people believed in how they came to be; rather, it would probably be more concerned with how they treat each other.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:27 pmAmazing how people continue to call evolution the random process.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:29 pmOh yeah Pascal’s Wager is not a “fact” -it’s a pathetic explanation of a gamble to try to persuade those not in the know to follow “their” brand of god.
Try using “The Google” and look up “Pascal’s Wager” and find out why it’s such a pathetic argument.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:31 pmOnly those who don’t understand it 224 – and those happen to be the same home-skeweled double-wide mobile home university students that are hellbent on attacking it. If there is a god, it’s probably saying “who cares? you’re missing the point” …but good thing reality doesn’t show any support for any of the proposed gods throughout time.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:33 pmbellito
Pascals Wager hey?
It is intelectually dishonest, it produces a false dichotomy (For all we know there is a God, and he rewards skepticism and honest reasoning, not blind or false faith) and lastly, if there is no god all the belief in the world won’t make a god suddenly appear, so it fails as a proof.
As to Darwin’s dying words? The Lady Hope Story? Even most Evangelists don’t accept that one. It is a lie told by an Evangelist who claimed to have visited Charles Darwin and converted him while he was sick – Charles Darwin’s children pointed out that she was talking out of her backside.
Next?
October 25th, 2006 at 4:34 pmOh, and just for the quote of Darwin’s kids:
Francis Darwin
Henrietta Litchfield
October 25th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Charles Darwins last words… “bellito is an idiot”!!!
October 25th, 2006 at 4:41 pm#199
So do humans. I was appalled the day they announced that they’d found the final missing link – last February without much mention in the media.
There is no longer any missing links for humans from monkeys.
Comment by unbelievable — October 25, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
How did you verify this information and assume it is the missing link? What scientific proof do you give?
October 25th, 2006 at 4:44 pmWhere are all the fossil records of monkey to man. Only one, shouldn’t there be thousands more? This would be bigs news.
I love how bellito didn’t capitalize anything but his “I’s” and still said “saviour”
Cute. A lot of people are afraid of the same non-factual idea of a heaven and hell. But in truth, the idea of a hell was created later down the road in the religion in order to scare people who don’t believe into believing. It’s an add-on, and wasn’t in ANY of the origional stuffs.
Darwin did what a lot of so-called “Aethiests” do on their deathbeds by renouncing their ideas and “coming with Jesus.” But what happens if they were wrong, and Hinduism was right? Is Shiva going to laugh his ass off, or what?!
Darwin’s observations are what sparked the controversy. Aethiests and Evolutionary believers don’t call Darwin our “Jesus.” We simply like the dude’s origional ideas. People who love Einstein don’t love that he ignored his wife completely for science, they love the theory or relativity. Darwin and Einstein were human. Flawed in their own ways, special in others.
I believe Jesus lived, was a normal man with not-so-normal ideas. I believe he was an “Extremist” with words of “be cool, love one another” and I find that just groovy. I’m a complete and total Aethiest, But I will admit, that the people who are Christian, but only for Jesus’ groovy teachings of love, are alright in my book. It’s love that we’re trying to focus on, not Evolution, or Creationism, or Deuteronomy 21:18.
We should only take the things that are good from the holy tome. The idea of love one another, and all that jazz. Let science and facts show us the rest, and stop fighting. Because in all truth, Evolution has a lot more than one book supporting it.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI love all the religion bashing, but is the modern religion of science any better? Lets see, nothing exploded and became everything and is slowly returning to nothing again, humans evolved from rocks, (don’t believe me, trace the theory of evolution right back to the primordal soup or whatever it’s called this week, all life evolved from rocks)? sounds a little like the bible, God created everything from nothing, man was created from the dust of the ground? not to far from modern science is it.
On evolution/natural selection etc tell me this? natural selection takes thousands of years (at best) right? so there is a fish that can essentialy walk through mud to reach another source of water in times of drought, evolution will say that because of it’s environment (a place prone to drought) over thousands of years this fish developed this ability, however surely if because of drought it’s environment changed it would have needed this ability then and there or the species would have been killed(drane the local lake or easier still your fish tank) so it must have always had this ability, there are many many examples of this, natural selection in these cases just doesn’t cut it. But then again science changes it’s mind quite often so I guess we’ll have a new theory pretty soon.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:46 pmWay to rock, Bruce!
October 25th, 2006 at 4:47 pmi_Go_SpLaT
Darwin didn’t convert on his deathbed. Wikipedia it if you want. He died an agnostic and his kids were quite definite on Lady Hope being a liar.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:48 pmI have whatever: “Where are all the fossil records of monkey to man. Only one, shouldn’t there be thousands more? This would be bigs news.”
I’ll tell you what. Take a walk in any national forest on the continent. Your hyposthesis is, there should be thousands of skeletons laying around on the ground since thousands of animals have died in that forest over time. Report back on your findings. Let us know if your hypothesis holds up.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:50 pmAnyone who dont belive evolution should watch this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg
From start to end. If you have any questions about evolution you should write them down and send them to him (Ken Miller). :-)
It does answer yer question I belive, pete.
October 25th, 2006 at 4:52 pmway to go Blueldog
October 25th, 2006 at 4:58 pmavoid the question
no answer of course
All the proof you’ll ever need
http://www.astrosurf.com/nitschelm/Bushorchimp.jpg
October 25th, 2006 at 4:59 pmYou fools. Chuck Norris is testing you! Read it again.
“In fact, the life you see on this planet is really just a list of creatures God has allowed to live. We are not creations of random chance. We are not accidents.”
He’s merely claiming that, what we’ve all know or should have known all along, Chuck Norris is God.
Roundhouse kicks to the chops.. all of you unfaithful heathens!
October 25th, 2006 at 5:00 pmJP
October 25th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI did not even go to your url.
sorry idiot punk
I am reminded of Douglas Adams, sorely missed but still greatly appreciated and his Guidebook discussion of God and the babel fish:
October 25th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
JP
October 25th, 2006 at 5:05 pmYou must still be evolving.
“I have SDS”, I’m not even sure what question it is you think I haven’t answered. You said there should be thousands of fossils lying around. I’m not sure why you think that should be the case. Have you found many areas in the natural world with thousands of fossils lying around? You could relate that to us and that would be a start. I suggested a test. It stands to reason that if you could find lots of potential fossils in the form of animal bones laying around in a forest, it might lend creedence to your theory that there should be thousands of fossils lying around. It’s very tiring and annoying having to explain basic things like this to you. Could you do us all a favor and grow up.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:07 pmhey bluedog
October 25th, 2006 at 5:09 pmread my original post to unbelievable #119
Its not that hard?
It seems to me that people are confusing “evolution” and “spontaneous generation”.
Science used to accept the theory that maggots came out of thin air. This is known as spontaneous generation and it parallels the idea that viable cells came out of the primordial soup by pure chance. Considering the complex structure of even the simplest single-celled organism, the likelihood of such a thing happening is truly enormous (enormous is a poor choice of words, but I doubt there’s a word that can truly express the odds with any degree of fidelity).
If you think the “life from nothing” idea is fact, you are wrong. You are subscribing to a theory, plain and simple. It may not even be a theory, since it doesn’t seem likely you can ever test something that has a once-in-a-universe chance of happening accidentally.
If you think that animal species change over time based on the forces applied via natural selection, then this is a much more testable and provable theory, that probably should be taken as fact, and this is essentially Darwin’s theory of evolution.
However, it is far from proven true that animals evolve across even the species boundary, let alone the higher-level groups such as genus and family. There is simply no fossil evidence for this, which is why someone proposed the theory of “punctuated equilibrium”, which suggests huge evolutionary steps can happen almost instantly and therefore have much less chance of leaving any trace in the fossil record. This is a simply a guess, however, since its very premise is based on explaining away a lack of evidence.
If you don’t believe in spontaneous generation, i.e. life from nothing, you are well within the bounds of reasonable thought to do so. If you think otherwise, I’m sorry, but you’re guilty of the same thing many evolutionists accuse creationists of – belief.
If you accept the theory that animals change over time, perhaps even significantly, then you’re simply agreeing with obvious evidence and you may be either a hard-core evolutionist OR a creationist, as there is room in both “belief systems” to support this theory.
At any rate, confusing Darwin’s theory of evolution with speculation concerning the very origins of life is a silly thing to do. One has quite a bit of supporting evidence, while the other requires _believing_ that absolutely incredible conditions were met (perhaps not unlike the leap of faith required to believe there was an act of creation).
Unfortunately I can’t get more than the first paragraph of the Chuck Norris article to load, so I’m not sure if he’s using “evolution” to encompass theories of the origin of life.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:11 pmMjp
Enviroments change over time, and normally the change is fairly slow. When that fish first appeared the enviroment was wetter, and it needed the ability to move across mud less. Gradually as the pool its ancestors lived in shrank it developed the ability to move across mud to another part of that original pool.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:12 pm199 not 119
October 25th, 2006 at 5:13 pmOne religious ignoramus says:
Evolution is not a FACT. It is not a law. It is a theory. One that cannot be proven or even tested
A few posts later, the next religious ignoramus says:
the theory of evolution has been proven wrong
Amusingly, although they make seemingly opposite statements, yet both are simultaneously wrong.
By the way, probably the best evidence of both the success and failure of evolution is that the White House is run by a chimp.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:13 pmJon, don’t worry about Chuck’s site, there’s nothing to see there. Good post, we’ve not been able to get that far in discussion until now.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:15 pmHey bluedog
October 25th, 2006 at 5:15 pmlet me make this easy for you.
there are no fossil records of monkey to man.
No missing link except you
See there. Gorn gets it.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:16 pmOne smart chimp who got elected twice – gorn the fool!
October 25th, 2006 at 5:17 pmPeople in the rest of the industrialized world laugh at us for even having these discussions. The fact that Americans can sit there on one of these boards and type nonsense which flies in the face of all accepted science says more about how religion has affected our educational system than anything else.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:20 pmI+have+BDS
Actually there is. Dryopithecus. It is a common ancestor.
Try again.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:20 pmI honestly feel sorry for those of you who have hardened hearts. I pray that you will wake up before it is too late. One day, you will know that Christ IS your Lord and Savior – and if that day comes after you die, then my friends it is too late. My prayers are with you that you will actually read about what is being discussed and come to the truth. Try reading some material (Better yet, call in and debate it) with the Bible Answer man (equip.org). It is really sad to read some of the comments here.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:23 pmBruce+Gorton says: “Darwin didn’t convert on his deathbed.”
He didn’t ned to convert. He already was a Christian. His agnostic phase was typical of believers, including some literal scientists, whose faith appears to be stuck in the theoretical realm. It doesn’t mean that he had rejected Christianity. It just meant he couldn’t prove that God exists (typical scientist!)
Darwin’s science was like Christian scientists everywhere (Newton, Keppler, Galileo, da Vinci, etc). Their methodology is shaped by early Christian studies. It’s undeniably different from muslim science or hindu science. You can’t say that “science is science”; it’s not. Modern science is derived from Christian philosophy and analytical methods. A Christian scientist cuts his teath on trying to prove the existence of God, thereby learning an incredibly rigorous scientific method.
Darwins “agnosticism” simply meant he intended to do more research on the matter. Again quoting Wikipedia: “religious agnosticism = the view of those who do not claim to know God’s existence, but still believe in such an existence…” This is consistent with a scientist’s view of the universe.
If Darwin were a muslim or an atheist, for example, he would not be buried in Westminster Abbey. A Christian agnostic still qualifies.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:24 pmTry again…
October 25th, 2006 at 5:24 pmExplain Dryopithecus genius!
Dryopithecus was an ape not human
October 25th, 2006 at 5:27 pmFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dryopithecus was a genus of apes that lived in Eastern Africa during the Upper Miocene period, from 12 to 9 million years ago, and which could have been the evolutionary ancestor of modern man.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:29 pm#252 troll
One smart chimp who got elected twice – gorn the fool!
“Elected” the first time by losing the popular vote. Ok. The GOP did such a great job spending millions of dollars of harassing Clinton over a BJ, that finally enough people grew Clinton-weary to vote Republican and/or stay home.
“Elected” the second time, although with some questionable vote issues. Why? Country still giving the chimp in chief way more than his fair share of slack because of the uncertainties of terrorism and war situations. Aided and abetted by cheap shot swift boat tactics and cheesy sloganeering like “flip flop flip flop”.
Amazingly, enough people were fooled by this nonsense to “re-elect” or more accurately, PERMIT the re-election of the service-dodging, business-failing, druggin’ and boozin’ frat boy. The astonishing results of an apathetic electorate.
Guess what? Collectively we’ve had enough, as you will see demonstrated week after next.
The only way to change the tide is with a major national crisis, so Rove better get moving if he’s going to create something terrifying enough to turn these elections.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:30 pmScott
Try reading the Bible. As an Atheist I felt reading up on Christianity was the least I could do before figuring it was a load of nonsense. I also read up on a lot of other religions and argued with a lot of other religious teachers.
Oh, and read up on Mathew, Chapter Six is a seminal work on having some dignity with your religion.
José Joseph
But a non-Christian one doesn’t. Charles Darwin rejected Christianity with the death of his daughter, Annie in 1851. He stopped supporting the church and started taking up walking in the countryside instead.
His stated views at the end of his life was that he was an Agnostic, not a Christian Agnostic.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:35 pmWe will see gorn
October 25th, 2006 at 5:35 pmI’m voting Republican (straight ticket) and often.
ha haha!
I+have+BDS
It was a common ancestor, this means, genius, that it evolved into seperate species, which evolved into more species, until eventually you have mankind.
Mankind didn’t just suddenly appear out of the backside of a monkey, well, with the exception of you maybe, it took years of constant evolution.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:38 pmOh, and when I say years, I am talking in the hundred thousands to millions.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:39 pmScott, I was raised in a conservative christian household and so first I should direct you to Matthew, who says Jesus doesn’t want you to “be like the hypocrites.”
But aside from that, it is my belief that someone who thinks I will spend an eternity being tortured in hell for not accepting the faith he holds has a very sick and evil mind.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:40 pmgorn, you moral midget
October 25th, 2006 at 5:43 pmBubba Clinton was a christian and serial rapist and liar along with Jesse ‘I see the light” Jackson the adulterer.
Remember 800000 black Rwandan died during his foreign policy. At least he apologized for not doing anything.
Well a bit of time off and now the ‘God in the gaps’ boys are out in force. Thanks for the prayers Scott, you do your thing and I’ll do mine.
Critical thinker: Hey, this house looks bigger from the outside, I’m not sure I understand why.
God-in-the-gaps-dude: Well God made it so, that’s why, don’t ask silly questions.
Critical thinker: If God did it then where is he?
God-in-the-gaps-dude: he’s upstairs, in the gap between the true size of the house and what he’s allowed you to see
Critical thinker: Cool, let’s get a flashlight and go upstairs and look, I bet that answers the question.
God-in-the-gaps-dude: Don’t ask silly questions or do silly stuff like that, stop questioning God
Critical thinker: Well here we are upstairs, I’ve shone my flashlight all over and I can explain most of the reason why this house looked bigger before. Hey still no God. But at least we’re all smarter, eh?
God-in-the-gaps-dude: That’s because he’s over there in that closet. But don’t you dare go looking, it’s wrong to tempt the Lord thy God…
Ad nausuem…
October 25th, 2006 at 5:45 pmYou can’t say that “science is scienceâ€
Really? Science is science.
Modern science is derived from Christian philosophy and analytical methods.
Pffft. More accurate to say that modern science developed despite the best efforts of the Christian establishment to suppress it.
Please explain how “Christian philosophy” is scientific. I must insist that all such answers must be biblically derived. Philosophy that happens to be held by Christians but is not bibilically derived cannot be distinguished from any other philosophy in terms of its humanistic origins.
This is the same sophistry that would suggest all moral behavior is derived from the “judeo-christian ethic”, which of course is nonsense.
Again quoting Wikipedia: “religious agnosticism = the view of those who do not claim to know God’s existence, but still believe in such an existence…†This is consistent with a scientist’s view of the universe.
The agnostic philosophy is that the question of god is unknown and probably unknowable. With all due respect to wikipedia, “religious agnosticism” is a contradictory phrase. But from your description you seem to refer to someone who believes in god in some amorphous sense but does not hold to any religious dogma.
This has nothing to do with “a scientist’s view of the universe” in any generalizable sense, although certainly there are scientists with such a benign view of god.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:45 pmHey 256 posts without a troll bringing up Bill Clinton – that must be a record.
Serial rapist? I must have missed that trial and conviction.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:47 pmNice try Bruce+Gorton
A lot of wishful thinking and no scientific proof.
Dryopithecus was a genus of apes that lived in Eastern Africa during the Upper Miocene period, from 12 to 9 million years ago, and which could have been the evolutionary ancestor of modern man.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:50 pmwhich could have been the evolutionary ancestor of modern man.
which could have been the evolutionary ancestor of modern man.
Sounds very scientific “which could have been = do not know for sure, maybe, could have been, we just do not know?
Time is too short to argue semantics . Let me share some foundational viewpoint for you to apply now, or use in a crisis . “Creation Truth” is proven by the wonders of the universe , archaelogy, human conscience , & the bible . No physical evidence can be claimed for evolution theory– Not even one fossil to date .
There are only TWO religions > God’s [grace] and satan’s [ works: aspiring self-sufficiency or good enough to be accepted by God aside from His plan of JC redemption]. Freewill is OUR choice; either for Eternal heaven [change attitude & accept JC's saving gift], or eternal hell [reject JC gospel] be led astray by satan’s doctrine. A No Brainer for unbelievers since nobody is good enough to keep all 10 commandments [God's standard of good & acceptance] Accept Jesus’ Grace-umbrella …
Jesus’ sacrifice was for all sin: past,present,future, except 1 — UNBELIEF: in His > sacrifice, DIVINITY, burial, and RESURRECTION.
Forgive them God, their stonecasting words show “they know not what they do”
October 25th, 2006 at 5:51 pmSurely Bill Clinton is to blame for this??
October 25th, 2006 at 5:51 pmTerrytheTurtle
October 25th, 2006 at 5:52 pmyea missed it
you had your head up your ass.
gorn, you moral midget
Thank you for the clear example of Christian love and tolerance.
Bubba Clinton was a christian and serial rapist and liar along with Jesse ‘I see the light†Jackson the adulterer.
How many millions of dollars and years of effort were spent to pin something on Clinton? I don’t remember him being shown as a “serial rapist”. The worst he did was to lie so his wife wouldn’t find out about his BJ. Who cares? The very worst thing from that whole episode was not the BJ nor even the lie about the BJ, but rather the fact that the pompous right wing nutjobs like yourself spent millions of dollars to plaster Clinton’s penis stories all over the mainstream press where my young daughters would see and hear about it. Oh, but I guess the ends justify the means, so the arrogant wingnut windbags could get their chimp in office.
Where did the comment about Jesse Jackson come from? What is your motivation? Just like to spread hate, or what? I don’t care about JJ either, and certainly don’t care about his adultery. You want to throw out all the adulterers from DC? Who would be left besides Mark Foley and Barney Frank? Seriously.
So, you didn’t refute anything I said. Your complete intelligent response was to insult me. Wow.
Thank god people like you will no longer be dictating to people like me, two weeks from now.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:54 pmChuck Norris is a very nice man, and he has been very kind to me in the past, especially during my tenure as the editor of Inside Karate magazine.
But he is not a scientist and he is working way outside his area of expertise here.
Chuck, I hope you read this. No ill will toward you at all, but you have to get the facts before you talk to the press or anyone who will get your words to them.
Chuck, evolution is real. Everyone from the Pope to the geeks at MIT agree. Get with the program, please, because you’re looking not so bright here.
October 25th, 2006 at 5:55 pmHey 256 posts without a stink progressive bringing up Bushco – that must be a record.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
October 25th, 2006 at 5:57 pmAnd I am supposed to take you seriously why, I Have BDS? You appear to be propagating falsehoods and when called on it – you issue a personal attack…..I think I can place you on the evolutionary ladder now, thanks for the pointer.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:01 pmI+have+BDS
It damn well could be. So could a lot of other candidates, but for now, it is the front runner. People keep on finding better ones you see. Right now there is a damn site more evidence for Dryopithecus then your god. Hell your god? I could equally well argue that the Earth was created by some giant space squid with diarohea.
The fact is that your idea of finding the truth is pick the first bloody answer and keep on that answer no matter how much evidence there is against it; until finally someone is willing to say beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt, what the real answer is. You scream “God Created All!” and rely on the fact that humanity does not know everything as your proof. That isn’t proof, it is just lunacy coupled with hubris. You know what, chances are fairly good that we won’t ever know everything, but you know what else? This doesn’t mean you can claim irrational crap and declare it the truth just because we don’t know everything.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:03 pmgornt
October 25th, 2006 at 6:04 pmThis is America.
No one is dictating to you unless you allow them to certainly not me.
One thing, quit thinking the Democrats are the saviour of the world.
Their shits stinks too.
Gorn
October 25th, 2006 at 6:06 pmsorry if I offended you.
Freewill is OUR choice; either for Eternal heaven [change attitude & accept JC’s saving gift], or eternal hell [reject JC gospel] be led astray by satan’s doctrine. A No Brainer for unbelievers since nobody is good enough to keep all 10 commandments
What if you don’t believe in Satan?
The way I figure it… If people like Dubya and serial killers who repent at the electric chair somehow get into heaven, I’d rather go to hell and be among friends and like minded individuals.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:07 pm#271
“Creation Truth†is proven by the wonders of the universe , archaelogy, human conscience , & the bible .
Circular logic is a wonderful thing, but last I checked you can’t use the bible as proof of the bible (”creation truth”). And while you won’t understand this, there is nothing about the wonders of the universe, archaeology, or human conscience requiring any justification from the bible. Indeed, if one looks at the bible literally, it’s statements run in contrast to what we know to be true of the universe and archaeology. But, believe what you will.
No physical evidence can be claimed for evolution theory– Not even one fossil to date .
Willful ignorance can be an amazing thing too. Try reading up on the subject from a source other than from within your own cult. Again, this is the “circular logic” thing at play.
There are only TWO religions God’s [grace] and satan’s [ works: aspiring self-sufficiency or good enough to be accepted by God aside from His plan of JC redemption].
Seems to me there are many religions and of course there is also non-religion (thank god – tee hee).
Freewill is OUR choice; either for Eternal heaven [change attitude & accept JC’s saving gift], or eternal hell [reject JC gospel] be led astray by satan’s doctrine.
So my choice is to believe (or at least pretend to believe) your shit or to burn in hell? Where is the freewill there?
Jesus’ sacrifice was for all sin:
So god had himself executed in order to atone to himself for the failures he personally designed into his creations in the first place? And somehow having himself “killed” was a “sacrifice” even though he is eternal and cannot be killed?
How to you wrap your brain around this stuff without spontaneously combusting?
Forgive them God, their stonecasting words show “they know not what they doâ€
On the contrary, I know EXACTLY what I do.
Please, save yourself, but leave the rest of us alone.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:08 pmOne thing, quit thinking the Democrats are the saviour of the world.
Their shits stinks too.
If you review my posts carefully, you will find that I never suggested anything of the kind. What will save us is not Democrats, but a re-establishment of checks and balances, and constitutional restraints on the Executive Branch.
I am not a Democrat. I’m more of a libertarian than anything. I don’t want the government wasting my money OR dictating morality. Unfortunately, at present the government, run by Republicans, is doing BOTH. Certainly, this government is anything but CONSERVATIVE, and so-called conservatives should wake up to that fact before more damage is done.
So, I am forced to vote Democratic because we have one party rule that is currently ruining this country, and we need to put checks and balances in place.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:14 pmGorn sorry if I offended you.
Apology accepted.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:16 pmOn the contrary, I know EXACTLY what I do.
Gorn
AMEN
October 25th, 2006 at 6:16 pmYou believe the universe created itself, and say that Christians believe blindly? Come on.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:19 pmDavid
Nope. We believe we don’t know how the universe came into being, and that the evidence put forward by Christians for their God being the cause of it is, well, dubious to say the least.
I mean come on, in Isaiah God stops the sun, and even sets it going backwards a bit. Do you know what kind of a worldwide cataclysm that would cause? There would have been more evidence left of that event then just an account of a battle in one small area in the Middle East. Never mind the fact that it assumes the sun orbits the Earth.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:26 pmDavid, I know you’ve been away a while (did you get any takers door-to-door?), so here’s my answer to you earlier to help you get back in the swing of it:
Just to help – the religion versus scientific theory question is already been beaten to death rhetorically, no one is really interested in the Jesus Christ bended knee stuff and as before, the thread is about Chuck Norris and evolution – cosmology is not on the plate today. OK, over to you.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:27 pmI+have+BDS — You are right!
A 12 to 9 million years old ape fossil may not prove that evolution is right – but it sure the hell would prove that the Bible was wrong wouldn’t it?
So much for a 6000 year old Universe huh dipshit?
October 25th, 2006 at 6:28 pmYou believe the universe created itself, and say that Christians believe blindly?
Well now, if it’s possible that God “always was” then why isn’t it possible that the universe “always was”?
In any case, science does not make claims about the origins of existence, only about the origins of what we see around us. If you want to postulate a deist-style creator god at the point of creating existence, I don’t see that as a major problem. The problems come into play when people try to pontificate to other people on the basis of special divine knowledge from active, personal deities involved with everyday reality, despite a complete lack of objective non-circular evidence, and most often, evidence to the contrary.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:28 pmThere’s a difference in believing blindly and coming to your own conclusions. I mean really what is there to think about once you accept the “bible truth”? This is not a slam but a legit question. I went to a christian school was brought up in a christian family, and indeed could be called christian in some (not all) ways. But to claim that all the answers in the universe lie in a book written 2,000 years ago is a lesson in futility. You might as well shut down. You dont have anything to think about anymore.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:29 pmModern science is derived from Christian philosophy and analytical methods.
“Christian philosophy” was a hodgepodge of regional beliefs, often in conflict with each other, until Greek methods of thought and analysis were incorporated into it. So don’t toot the “Christian Philosophy” horn too loudly; the Greeks will hear you.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:30 pmNever thought I would ever have to say “Chuck Norris and evolution” in the same sentence and I am stunned that Chuck Norris has inspired a thread which will hit 300 soon (even if some posters have not made much of a contribution to the thread except to post the odd naked insult). Anyway well done Chuck, never thought you had it in you.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:32 pmGod is powerful tricky hidin’ all them fossils and such, just to test my faith,you trickster you
October 25th, 2006 at 6:34 pm#291 – Did you catch Galileo back at post #54? He had this as his closer:
October 25th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
That’s the thing about ol’ Galileo. He had the courage to stand with an unpopular opinion, even in the face of blistering criticism.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:42 pmParrot Lover: “The way I figure it… If people like Dubya and serial killers who repent at the electric chair somehow get into heaven, I’d rather go to hell and be among friends and like minded individuals.”
Before Timothy McVeigh was executed, a couple of nuns went to him and asked him to repent. He evidently said the correct words to them, because after he was executed, one of the penguins said on tv that McVeigh was in heaven. I’ve always wondered if the parents of the small children murdered by McVeigh believed it was just and right that their children should share heaven with McVeigh.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:44 pmThat’s the thing about ol’ Galileo. He had the courage to stand with an unpopular opinion, even in the face of blistering criticism.
Unpopular opinions are not the problem. Bald-faced assertions not backed up with objective, non-circular evidence is the problem.
I feel confident that ol’ Galileo would agree.
By the way, in a nation where a majority of the populace still believes in biblical creation, those having the courage to stand with an unpopular opinion are the scientists.
Christians like to cry that they are oppressed and persecuted. Give me a break.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:50 pmThat’s the thing about ol’ Galileo. He had the courage to stand with an unpopular opinion, even in the face of blistering criticism.
Comment by David — October 25, 2006 @ 6:42 pm
A bit like Charles Darwin in his day. I would be willing to bet that his reception today, if he were still alive would be hostile in much of the United States. He’d have a Christian Fatwa on him so fast he’d be calling Salman Rushdie for advice.
October 25th, 2006 at 6:58 pmA survey in 1991 by The Nation asked how many believed “The Bible is the actual word of God and it is to be taken literally, word for word.”
33.5% of Americans agreed with that statement
I suppose it is not entirely coincidental that this seems to be the lower barrier for the Bush approval rating. One would have to turn off one’s brain either to agree with that statement or to approve of Dub.
Once the brain has been disconnected, the ability to relate to reality is seriously diminished, so getting those 33.5% to change their assessment is like getting Terry Schiavo to wake up. At least she had a good excuse.
October 25th, 2006 at 7:00 pmwhy bother with Richard Dawkins or Stephen Jay Gould when we have Chuck Norris to educate us on the science of biology!!
October 25th, 2006 at 7:23 pmIf the religious right aproves, you know you are doing something wrong. Personally, give me a building that was designed by an atheist any day, at least I know it isn’t being held up by the power of prayer ;)
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — October 25, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
Yeah, no kidding…
Good one! :)
October 25th, 2006 at 7:29 pmHow did you verify this information and assume it is the missing link? What scientific proof do you give?
Where are all the fossil records of monkey to man. Only one, shouldn’t there be thousands more? This would be bigs news.
Comment by I+have+BDS — October 25, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
It wasn’t big news because the Christian controlled media kept it quiet. CNN posted some side articles on their website – but there was little mention elsewhere main stream. Mostly just places that intellectuals go – like Science News sites and European News sites…
Here are links on discoveries of ‘missing links’ from reputable sources, including one from the latest fossil find -the first fish to mammal:
http://www.americanscientist.org/template/BookReviewTypeDetail/assetid/54054;jsessionid=baa5zs99gpGwX-
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20610005-662,00.html
October 25th, 2006 at 7:43 pmIt is really sad to read some of the comments here.
Comment by Scott — October 25, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
I’ve been a Christian and I’ve been an Athiest. Atheism is less sad. But, you wouldn’t know cause you refuse to leave the teat of ignorance and judgment.
I’m far more moral as an Atheist, so don’t worry about us. Spend your time getting your hypocritical “brethen” to walk the talk.
October 25th, 2006 at 7:47 pmIt wasn’t big news because the Christian controlled media kept it quiet.
unbelievable
What are u smoking?
October 25th, 2006 at 7:48 pmWell now, if it’s possible that God “always was†then why isn’t it possible that the universe “always was�
Comment by gorn — October 25, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
And a step further would be to say that if ‘creation’ is the premise, then the creator of the universe had to be created, by a creator, which had a creator, which had a creator – and so on, ad nauseum – which is ridiculous.
Creation is not possible. Period.
October 25th, 2006 at 7:54 pmG.W.SuperChrist
You are a math wiz aren’t you.
My guess is you have personally calculated those millions of years
yourself just to make sure. Not
Stick with balancing your checkbook fool.
October 25th, 2006 at 7:55 pmWhat are u smoking?
Comment by I+have+BDS — October 25, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
I don’t smoke. or do drugs – not even the prescription narcotics that you righties willingly ingest for depression while calling users of illegal narcotics evil doers…
Unlike you, I don’t need anything.
I see you didn’t check out my links that validate my post above. Figures. Silly insults are all you have left. It always ends like this with you deliberatley ignorant rednecks. No surprise here.
October 25th, 2006 at 7:58 pmComment by I+have+BDS — October 25, 2006 @ 7:55 pm
Been Drinking Semen – Post some facts…
October 25th, 2006 at 8:00 pmAnd a step further would be to say that if ‘creation’ is the premise, then the creator of the universe had to be created, by a creator, which had a creator, which had a creator – and so on, ad nauseum – which is ridiculous.
Creation is not possible. Period.
unbelievable
Very strange logic from a scientist. You have proved nothing fool!
October 25th, 2006 at 8:01 pm“I have SDS” do you think god needs your help?
October 25th, 2006 at 8:02 pmGood thing you are not teaching critical thinking.
October 25th, 2006 at 8:04 pmunbelievable
“I have SDS†do you think god needs your help?
Comment by Bluedog49
What a silly question?
See ya fools
October 25th, 2006 at 8:06 pmVery strange logic from a scientist. You have proved nothing fool!
Comment by I+have+BDS — October 25, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
Over your head, eh? Not surprised. Stupid people never are ableto understand intelligent explanations.
It’s not my perspective to have to prove a god. You claim there is one, therefore you have the burden of proof. And so far, I see no proof.
Start with the human appendix, I+Have+Been Drinking Semen. Explain the intelligence in that. Impress me.
October 25th, 2006 at 8:09 pmGood thing you are not teaching critical thinking.
unbelievable
Comment by I+have+BDS — October 25, 2006 @ 8:04 pm
That’s ALL I teach. Making a new generation of liberals in the very red state of Georgia… (I bet you’re grinding your teeth)… by allowing them to do hands-on assignments that give them the perspective of reality… you know, that reality with its liberal bias…
October 25th, 2006 at 8:11 pmDid God create that lousy toupee Chuck Norris wears?
October 25th, 2006 at 8:14 pmSee ya fools
Comment by I+have+BDS — October 25, 2006 @ 8:06 pm
Cut and run…
October 25th, 2006 at 8:15 pmStick with balancing your checkbook fool.
You have proved nothing fool!
Hey BDS
Now, you were a good fellow and apologized for insulting me, yet here you are insulting other people in consecutive posts. I thought you were going to display Christian ethic. Er, well, maybe you are.
Seriously, is your belief system so weak that you can’t hold a discussion with your opponents without resorting to insults?
Should I find it so amusing whenever atheists have to teach Christians how to behave? You know, there’s some good stuff in the bible, like the Golden Rule, love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, etc. Too bad so many Christians ignore the good stuff and instead focus on the gibberish, hatred and hokum of the rest of the book.
The fact is, the evidence for evolution is extensive, extraordinary, and compelling. It cuts across all scientific disciplines and is so well documented and so widely accepted by all rigorous scientific organizations that to compare this against the feeble unscientific suppositions put forth by your cult is evidence of a willful lack of critical thought. I mean, it’s not like this is quantum physics – something that requires you to screw your brain into 8 dimensions to understand it. Aside from the mountains of evidence, evolution by natural selection just makes sense and is the obvious conclusion for those with eyes to see and ears to listen.
Are you afraid to read authoritative books on the subject? If not, please do so, and then report back.
October 25th, 2006 at 8:16 pmOnce again I say….testicles
October 25th, 2006 at 8:22 pmI am not sure which trolls are more vile, more stupid, and more ignorant.
Those in this thread on evolution, or those in the threads about Michael J Fox.
I’d say it is a very close call.
October 25th, 2006 at 8:24 pm#320 – Where’s Exley? That’s the winning thread.
October 25th, 2006 at 8:40 pm#320 – Where’s Exley? That’s the winning thread.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Terry, if he sees that, he’ll be humping your leg the rest of the night!
October 25th, 2006 at 8:50 pmIs this thread a joke? Who cares what Chuck Norris has to say about anything?
October 25th, 2006 at 9:08 pmIs this thread a joke? Who cares what Chuck Norris has to say about anything?
I think Chuck Norris ceased to be a significant part of the thread after about the first five entries.
October 25th, 2006 at 9:14 pmHow come the religious nutjobs show up on the evolution debate, but not on anything else? How do they get here? Maybe god directs them into battle against the non believers.
You know who else could kick Chuck Norris’s ass, Lee mutherf*ckin Marvin, oh yeah.
October 25th, 2006 at 9:38 pmI think Chuck Norris ceased to be a significant part of the thread after about the first five entries.
Comment by gorn
Oh good, then I don’t have to read them — not that I was going to anyway. Heh.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:05 pmDo you people have nothing better to do than argue who is right or wrong. It is just the same arguement over and over again. Who care if someone choose to belief evolution or creationism.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:15 pm#327 well yeti thats a poser that is. Let’s see: if you believe in creationism then you may as well throw out most of the last 100 years of biological science and say byebye to Maxwell, Einstein and quantum theory. Since you are blogging here I am guessing you are not Amish, not that I am knocking the Amish style, I’m just putting it in perspective.
Now the flip side is that the next horizon in human advances, the one that promises all kinds of ‘progress’ – cure for cancer, other diseases, etc etc, comes from genetic engineering – guess what no Darwin, no genetic engineering.
As Mr Galilei pointed out at post #54 earlier today, if we had let religion dictate and suppress the science of the Renaissance, heliocentricity and all, then we’d still be sticking flowers up our noses to cure the pox.
Next question please.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:47 pmOh and yes, the religious attempt to suppress Darwinian evolutionary theory ranks right up there with the Inquisition suppressing Galileo, witch-burning, bleeding with leeches and all the other dark, superstitious tendencies that we modern people think we’ve grown out of.
October 25th, 2006 at 10:54 pmThis has to be the funniest, craziest thread of all. I mean…I have to take a picture of this…and there are people defending the No Evolution! Ha ha ha ha!
October 25th, 2006 at 10:59 pmIf you having a hard time with the argument, have you wondered why infecetious diseases like TB, strep and e-coli are making a comeback?
That’s right they have become immune to treatment by anti-biotics like penicillin. Why? Well evolution explains the observed facts best, the diseases evolved to compete in their environment. So you would place your trust in what exactly to get you out of this jeopardy? The mumbo jumbo, chicken entrails, throw bones stuff, or an evolutionary bio-geneticist who will fight the diseases with all the power they can muster, unfettered by a bunch of creationists in goivernment?
Your choice.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:01 pmJuan, it has truly been ‘out there’. The Chuck Norris thread hits 300 and keeps on going…..The only thing that didn’t happen was an appearance by either Jackie Chan or Charles Darwin. But there’s still time…
October 25th, 2006 at 11:09 pmWho care if someone choose to belief evolution or creationism.
Comment by Yeti
Thats the problem…it is not about believing. Or do anyone believes in gravity?
October 25th, 2006 at 11:10 pm“Hey, you can tell me all you want but I believe that this Ming Dinasty Jar is still in one piece”
Who care if someone choose to belief evolution or creationism.
Comment by Yeti — October 25, 2006 @ 10:15 pm
First things first: You cannot “believe” in evolution. You either accept it as a valid (albeit incomplete) explanation of the biological diversity in our planet or you don’t. Because that is what all scientific theories are: Explanations of natural phenomena by natural means.
Creationism (or Intelligent Design) on the other hand, is a religious philosophy and, as such, can only offer one explanation: “God did it”.
Now, evolutionary biology -like everything in science- has had an impact in other areas of human knowledge. Like medicine.
How to explain antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria? The theory of evolution not only explains it, but predicts it (which is an aspect of any scientific theory: predictability).
With Creationism, there would be no prediction for the sudden appearance of such bateria. But there would certainly have one explanation: “God did it”.
Since Creationists seek to replace the theory of evolution with their own “intelligent design”, they would inevitably hurt medicine -and we would not have no way of predicting or treating new diseases.
Why fret you ask? Well, in a democracy, people vote. If enough people are convinced of the creationist rubbish and decide to replace sound science with superstition, then your own medical treatment will suffer as a consequence.
That is why you should care too.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:13 pmBut, guys, this is not only from the Christians…I have read papers made by Muslims, where they developed really advanced ideas and scientific methods just to conclude: “and all this proves the greatness of Allah”. Seriously.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:18 pmWhere’s Exley? That’s the winning thread.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
He is still looking for what Bush thinks about Chuck Norris.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:25 pmGood job Chuck! I’m proud of you for being enough of a man to live your convictions. God Bless you! See you on the other side.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:28 pmWell Juan, the battle over evolution is another example of the Age of Reason being supplanted with a Clash of Civilizations: a clash of competing religious zealots. The clash between Judeo-Christianity and Islam will make the 30 Years War look like a Boy Scout meeting. Excuse my hyperbole, but we may be on the edge of a new Dark Age, with infectious disease, war, religious persecution, breaking out all over the world.. because the voices of moderation and reason were not strong enough.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:30 pm#337 That’s right 100,000 lemmings can’t be wrong!
October 25th, 2006 at 11:31 pmPete, I don’t remember reading any post that said it’s a “fact that God doesn’t exist.†Comment by Bluedog49
However, Blue, I have to say it is. Everything points out at a non-god universe. It depends on how far human can go. I would say it is a fact that dead cant walk again. As far as I know, no one ever has had a solid fact of a walking dead guy (You can leave Snow out if this), so the theory so far is that DEADS CANT WALK. By the same principle, GOD DOESNT EXIST. It is fact. Also, and I love this one, every 3 seconds a person dies of hunger in this planet. No God there. Yuri Gagarin was asked if he believed in God after his famous space journey. He answered: I was up there, and I didnt see him.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:40 pmI’m proud of you for being enough of a man to live your convictions. God Bless you! See you on the other side.
Comment by fred
Fred, Chuck had a lot of karate chops in his head. A lot.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:45 pmDon’t forget that Adam and Eve are from the old testament. The old testament comes from the Jewish bible which Christians’ borrowed to give their newly formed Religion authenticity. The new testament is the story of Jesus Christ, from which Christmas was established (I also accept the Pagan winter theory). So believing in Adam and Eve has nothing to do with Christmas.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:52 amAgain no fossil record of ape to man.
October 26th, 2006 at 1:07 amunbelievable provides no evidence for me other than some balony links.
Most of you ridicule creationism as evidence for evolution. Does not work. Again where is the fossil that shows transitions from ape to man. Zero, nada, not one you are trusting the experts.
You fools! Chuck Norris Fact #983874: Chuck Norris IS god. He is merely referring to himself in the 3rd person here. Hail Chuck.
October 26th, 2006 at 1:14 amThe real scientific embarrassment is evolution itself.
October 26th, 2006 at 1:16 amSuck it up fools!
“Again where is the fossil that shows transitions from ape to man.”
Once more, slowly. Evolutionary theory does not claim that men came from apes. It claims that all living things evolved from a common ancestor. Ape and Man are contemporaries of each other, not ancestors of each other, but they share a common ancestor.
a) Why is that so hard to understand, and b) Why does it shake your faith in god and/or Jesus? This concept should only be a problem if you are one of the shit-for-brains who insist on biblical literalism. If you’re one of them, there is no hope for you because it would mean you are unable to think coherently.
If you aren’t so stone-cold dead as to think the bible is literally accurate, you could simply marvel at the beautiful system (evolution by natural selection) that god put into place to produce great biological diversity from the most rudimentary ingredients.
Personally, I have no need of that godly connection, however it’s certainly compatible with all but the most mind-numbing religious dogmas.
And god said: “The truth shall set the free.”
Suck it up fools!
On the other hand, you can’t seem to contain yourself from insulting people. Why do Christians hate America?
October 26th, 2006 at 1:39 amIn the spirit of the original email/ website that gave Chucky N his recent surge in popularity:
It Was Chuck Norris, not the Jews who killed Jesus.
And then he waited for him to rise to finish the job.
:P
October 26th, 2006 at 2:10 amIn the beginning, god created the universe.
On the first day, he said “let there be light”, and the bang was big, and the universe was filled with the stars and the planets. And it was good.
On the second day god looked at the planet he called Earth, for it was barren, and said “Let it be filled with waters, and let the waters contain amino acids and phospholipds and all manner of organic molecules.” And it was so.
On the third day, god said “Let there be living things.” And he shot lightning bolts from his eyes, and spat waters from his mouth, and blew molecules through his nostrils, and he said “Let the phospholipids be polarized such that they spontaneously form semipermeable double membranes.” And they did. And the amino acids commingled in helical form and did multiply.
On the fourth day, god became weary of the monotony of his creation, for he desired diversity upon the land. And he said, “Let there be radiation emanating from the sun, that it may cause occaisional yet rare errors during the commingling.” And it was so.
On the fifth day, god saw that the errors produced many changes of uninteresting consequence, and he knew that purpose had to be instilled in order to see greatness arise from the soup of his creation. And god said “Let there be a diversity among non-living things, lest the living things may adapt to that diversity. Let mountains arise from the waters and be separated by terrain and by climate. Let there be both hot and cold areas, and wet and dry areas and high and low areas and rocky and smooth areas.” And it was so. And the living things grew among the lands but the progress was slow and god became bored.
On the sixth day, god said “Let there be great expanses of time, such that diversity may flourish and greatness may arise over centuries of centuries of millenia.” And it was so.
On the seventh day, god perched himself high in the heavens and said “I shall watch and enjoy the fruit of my labors, to observe greatness spring forth from my creation and lead wherever it so choose. I shall not be judgemental about my own creation, but let it achieve its own ends throughout the fullness of time.”
And god rested and watched for 3.9 billion years. And forever new beasts came upon the land and the waters, and plants filled the planet, and fowl cruised the air. And many species took hold, prospered, and wilted away.
And from the line of mammals there arose primates. And from the primates arose both humankind and apes. But the humans became more self-aware and intelligent than other animals, developing language and asking many questions. Yet many sought war and power at the expense of others, while others built industry and art.
And so it came to be that the internet was built, and upon the face of the ether came the blog. And on the blog, one appeared who was self-righteous and who proclaimed superior knowledge of the mind of god. And he called himself I Have BDS, which is legion, and spat upon the face of god’s creatures, proclaiming them fools.
And god was wroth.
And he said, “As I promised in the early days of my creation, I will not interfere in any way with the life of this self-proclaimed prophet. But I shall enjoy my vengeance, for his destiny is to lead a life of ignorance and moral destitution, while the creatures he derides shall enjoy a happier fate. And he shall see that I admire the atheists, and love them best, for they choose of freewill to use the brains and the critical thinking that are my gift to them through my greatest creation, evolution by natural selection. And others shall see that I do not admire those who willfully choose ignorance in my name, for it is insulting to me. And those who lead moral and ethical lives by action, rather than by verbal protestation, are most pleasing to me, for such living benefits my creation and helps it to thrive and prosper.
And let there be no hindrance to freedom of living nor suppression of freedom of thought.
And it was so.
October 26th, 2006 at 2:19 amI+have+BDS theorized: “From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dryopithecus was a genus of apes . . . which could have been the evolutionary ancestor of modern man.”
Hmmm – a lot of vague theories floating around here. I might believe this stuff when I finally see apes going to college. So far apes are still apes; they haven’t changed one bit, and probably never will. So how does the connection with man come about? Do the smart ones evolve into man? Or do the retards fail to evolve? What’s the secret? Please enlighten us.
October 26th, 2006 at 3:46 amIn the beginning, god created the universe.
On the first day, he said “let there be lightâ€, and the bang was big, and the universe was filled with the stars and the planets. And it was good.
On the second day god looked at the planet he called Earth, for it was barren, and said “Let it be filled with waters, and let the waters contain amino acids and phospholipids and all manner of organic molecules.†And it was so.
On the third day, god said “Let there be living things.†And he shot lightning bolts from his eyes, and spat waters from his mouth, and blew molecules through his nostrils, and he said “Let the phospholipids be polarized such that they spontaneously form semipermeable double membranes.†And they did. And the amino acids commingled in helical form and did multiply.
On the fourth day, god became weary of the monotony of his creation, for he desired diversity upon the land. And he said, “Let there be radiation emanating from the sun, that it may cause occasional yet rare errors during the commingling.†And it was so.
On the fifth day, god saw that the errors produced many changes of uninteresting consequence, and he knew that purpose had to be instilled in order to see greatness arise from the soup of his creation. And god said “Let there be a diversity among non-living things, such that the living things may adapt to that diversity. Let mountains arise from the waters and be separated by terrain and by climate. Let there be both hot and cold areas, and wet and dry areas and high and low areas and rocky and smooth areas.†And it was so. And the living things grew among the lands but the progress was slow and god became bored.
On the sixth day, god said “Let there be great expanses of time, such that diversity may flourish and greatness may arise over centuries upon centuries of millenia.†And it was so.
On the seventh day, god perched himself high in the heavens and said “Now I shall watch and enjoy the fruit of my labors, to observe greatness spring forth from my creation and lead wherever it so choose. I shall not be judgemental about my own creation, but let it achieve its own ends throughout the fullness of time.â€
And god rested and watched for 3.9 billion years. And forever new beasts came upon the land and the waters, and plants filled the planet, and fowl cruised the air. And many species in turn took hold, prospered, and wilted away.
And from the line of mammals there arose primates. And from the primates arose both humankind and apes. The humans became more self-aware and intelligent than other animals, developing language and asking many questions, while some mutants of apes sought power and took control of the White House built by humans, seeking dominion over them.
And so it came to be that the internet was built, and upon the face of the ether came the blog. And on the blog, one appeared who was self-righteous and who proclaimed superior knowledge of the mind of god. And he called himself I Have BDS, whose number is legion, and who disguises under many names, called Darryl, and David, and Scott, and under lo so many other names. And this imp of the underworld known as the Land of Ignorance, came disguised in angelic form. And he spat upon the face of god’s creatures, proclaiming them fools.
And god was wroth.
And he said, “As I promised in the early days of my creation, I will not interfere in any way with the life of these self-proclaimed prophets who presume to speak in my name. But yet I shall enjoy my vengeance, for their destiny is to lead a life of ignorance and moral destitution, while the creatures they deride shall enjoy a happier fate. And they shall see that I admire the atheists, and love them best, for they choose of freewill to use the brains and the critical thinking that are my gift to them through my greatest creation, evolution by natural selection. And others shall see that I do not admire those who willfully choose ignorance in my name, for it is insulting to me. And those who lead moral and ethical lives by action, rather than by verbal protestation, are most pleasing to me, for such living benefits my creation and helps it to thrive and prosper.
And let there be no hindrance to freedom of living nor suppression of freedom of thought.
And it was so.
October 26th, 2006 at 4:12 amJosé+Joseph
Intellegence really only came much later, what started humanity off was the ability to walk upright.
October 26th, 2006 at 4:29 amChuck Norris has peanuts for brain.
October 26th, 2006 at 4:34 amAgain no fossil record of ape to man.
Just vecause you’re too stupid to understand it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There is a fossil record of human evolition.
And for the record, we are still apes. We just evolved into a different variety for reasons I have already explained above.
unbelievable provides no evidence for me other than some balony links.
Scientific News is not a balcony link. The fact that you think it is just further proves your stupidity.
Most of you ridicule creationism as evidence for evolution.
Not ridicule – reject. We reject creationism.
Does not work. Again where is the fossil that shows transitions from ape to man. Zero, nada, not one you are trusting the experts.
Comment by I+have+BDS — October 26, 2006 @ 1:07 am
Actually, we are trusting teh experts. Unbiased experts at that. Unlike like your religious men who are biased. Very biased. If you don’t believe, they don’t have a job. Unlike Science, where you don’t have to accept their research for them to stay employed.
The reality is that there is a lot of proof for evolution. The fact that you refuse to accept it means nothing.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:17 amDo the smart ones evolve into man? Or do the retards fail to evolve? What’s the secret? Please enlighten us.
Comment by José+Joseph — October 26, 2006 @ 3:46 am
This really highlights your vast ignorance.
I already explained why certain apes evolved while others didn’t or don’t in the posts above. In detail.
But we know that you neocon Jesus Freaks never read anything educational, so we’re not surprised that you are just posting crap without reading anything written here. You can’t handle the truth. It’s why you have ‘faith’ (which requires no intellectual thought of any sort – and in fact, favors the full rejection of any independent thought whatsoever).
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October 26th, 2006 at 9:30 amI should have guessed from his cheesy Walker TV show that he was a none-too-bright religious nutjob.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:37 amDarwin’s theory of natural selection is not random chance, and it works just like capitalism. There is no god allowed x and y; it’s a purely scientific matter.
I guess you didn’t get the memo. God ordained capitalism. So says the GOP.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:39 amunbelievable
Why Science works better then religion:
When a scientist gets something wrong, the theory gets corrected. This is because scientists are fallible. Over time more of the theory gets corrected, more of it gets validated and generally things progress to being closer and closer to it being the known truth.
When a prophet or a priest gets something wrong, the whole hypothesis collapses. This is because God isn’t fallible. While the religious desperately cling to fairytales, or try to pretend that the Bible or whatever book doesn’t say that, it does, so they have a choice: Believe the truth, or stick with the lie.
Some of the more sensible religious people out at least take the tactic that the Holy Books were interpreted by man, and include figures of speech, but some take the hard line of denial. The former, I have found, tend to be happier.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:55 amJasonManHandler
October 26th, 2006 at 9:58 amJasonManHandler
Was me. The git irritated me just a little bit too much so I broke my general rule of only posting under my own name.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:00 amJasonManHandler,
One of my absolute favorite quotes:
“In science it often happens that scientists say, ‘You know that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,’ and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.”
October 26th, 2006 at 10:27 am- Astronomer Carl Sagan – 1987
Comment by Bruce Gorton — October 26, 2006 @ 10:00 am
I thought it might be… the South African tendancies in your slang words and proper English spelling : )
Jason certainly is a pain-in-the-ass. He deserves some humiliation to deflate his ego on occasion.
I agree with you about the religious folks… Very few of them are reasonable. And then, it’s only because they ignore the Old Testament and treat the rest, as you said, like a literary work and not a verbatim book of scientific fact.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:34 amunbelievable
The thing that really gets me though, is the ones who preach most seem to be the ones that have read books about the Bible, gone to prayer meetings about the Bible, had lectures about the Bible – and yet have never actually read the Bible as anything more then a collection of quotes.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:49 amThis is so funny, I don’t where to begin. It is clear that he has not kept up with the information that the scientific community has produced concerning evolution and the emergence of modern humanity. But it is hardly surprising. About a third of American believe that the fossils of dinosaurs were put in the ground by human hands. In addition, only 12 percent of Americans believe that evolution emerged without any assistance from divine impetus. More people believe in the Virgin Birth than evolution. Furthermore, of all the Western countries and Japan, only Turkey has a smaller percentage of people who believe in evolution than the US. And people wonder why US schools are falling further behind their European peers in math and science.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:41 amFor the most part, what a slop of atheistic dribble. Yes, dribble!
October 26th, 2006 at 12:15 pmDoug Williams
So you don’t have a counter-argument then. Buh-bye.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:22 pmMore people believe in the Virgin Birth than evolution
Joseph: Hey Mary, go easy on the falafels, you’ll not fit into your wedding gown
Mary: Er Joe, we need to talk, I’m going to have a baby
Joseph: &^*&%*^$&^(& !!! Who raped you, I’ll kill him.
Mary: Actually Joe, it wasn’t rape, a holy angel descended out of heaven and told me I would bear a child as a Virgin (even though the original word in Aramaic/Hebrew means ‘maid’ or ‘young girl’ but by the time someone writes it as Greek, I’ll be a virgin).
Joseph: So, you were willingly impregnated in the middle of the night by a dude with wings and shiny clothes?
Mary: That’s right, my love.
Joseph: Oh that’s OKthen, why didn’t you say so to begin with? Pass the mint sauce, please.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:23 pmand yet have never actually read the Bible as anything more then a collection of quotes.
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — October 26, 2006 @ 10:49 am
Funny isn’t it… They know about the Bible, but nothing more.
Well as they say, the best argument against Christianity as a religion is the Bible itself (which is probably why no one wants them reading it, just what they are told about it )
Gotta admit, it’s a hell of a way to manipulate people…
October 26th, 2006 at 12:24 pmFor the most part, what a slop of atheistic dribble. Yes, dribble!
Comment by Doug Williams — October 26, 2006 @ 12:15 pm
Go to http://www.dictionary.com and look up the words ‘opinion’ and ‘fact’.
Your comment is the first, and bears none of the latter.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:28 pmJoseph: Oh that’s OKthen, why didn’t you say so to begin with? Pass the mint sauce, please.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — October 26, 2006 @ 12:23 pm
This explains the Desperate Housewives craze. One show I am proud to say I have never watched.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:32 pmComing up after these messages, we take you back to the scene of the first circumcision. Don’t go away, more ‘Abraham, Missing in Action’ will be right back.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:37 pmEvolution is a totally made up theory. God created the world in six days…and by the way George Bush is awesome and so is Chuck Norris
October 27th, 2006 at 6:21 pmDrew,
That’s my OPINION also…… because it’s FACT! :)
October 28th, 2006 at 5:14 pmOne of my absolute favorite quotes:
“In science it often happens that scientists say, ‘You know that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,’ and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.â€
- Astronomer Carl Sagan – 1987
Comment by unbelievable
No link ape to man evolution – no species transition to new species fossil evidence
Nada
Admit it even though it is painful.
Quit bringing up the bible stuff.
October 30th, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe reality is that there is a lot of proof for evolution. The fact that you refuse to accept it means nothing.
Comment by unbelievable
You still have not shown evidence or proof.
October 30th, 2006 at 3:07 pmJust name calling which is typical from progressive.
Quit the name calling and bible stuff.
Put the scientific proof right here and now.
You cannot because there is none.
Do not be afraid of the truth admit it.
Two things:
General Theory of Evolution
1) Natural Selection is only a FILTER! and was actually first formulated by a chemist/zoologist Edward Blyth (1810—1873) also a creationist.
2) Genetics: If evolution were true, we would see the addition of new genetic information which previously did not exist. Current genetic research shows recombination and mutations are the problem not the solution.
3) …
So let’s see, we observe Natural Selection, a filter. We observe mutations and recombinations which degrade and weaken the existing DNA. There is no other observable force or mechanism available to add or change the organism.
GTE doesn’t work. And the scientific method forces the theory back to a hypothesis.
October 30th, 2006 at 4:51 pmGTE doesn’t work. And the scientific method forces the theory back to a hypothesis.
Comment by JoeR
JoeR
October 31st, 2006 at 4:08 pmU are the first to make sense here.
I can’t believe how many people there is that doesn’t believe in God, nor in His son, Jesus Christ. Don’t you know that your salvation from Hell depends on your belief in Jesus Christ? Think of it this way, if there is no God, or no Jesus, no salvation or no Hell, then you nor I have anything to worry about after death. But what if I’m right and there is a God, and His Son is Jesus Christ and you have to be saved and born again by believing in Him and therefore you are saved from Hell, if I’m right, I have nothing to worry about because I’m saved, but you have everything to worry about because you’re going to bust Hell wide open after death. Said simply, if you’re right, nobody has anything to lose, but if I’m right, you’ve got everything to lose. Please think about it, what could it hurt if you found what you’ve been looking for all of your life? The truth!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:10 amchuck noris is a terrible human…god is not real…we came from apes…i hate you chuck
November 8th, 2006 at 2:26 pmI don’t care what you think about Chuck Norris. I don’t know the man personally. I’ve heard he’s a Christian and I know his show Texas Walker Ranger was cancelled because he went out on a limb for God and had an episode portraying people being delivered from the seductive power of sex, alchohol and drugs. I respect him for that. But anyone who looks at him and uses his mistakes as an excuse not to follow Jesus is nothing but a coward who isn’t brave enough to walk with and live for the Lord. Just remember that our soul is in our own keeping and what we do with it is our choice along with the consequences. When we stand before God on the Day of the Lord, the period of mercy and grace He’s given the world will be over and the unbelievers, mockers and scoffers will all have to give an account for their lives.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:03 pmI find it so interesting that it’s human nature to get so upset when there’s talk about a Creator. did you know that it actually takes more faith to believe in the theory of evolution than to believe in creation? did you know that the more scientists research the earth they are determining more and more that there had to have been an Originator– a Creator– a Beginning. (God) –check out Stephen Hawking’s book — Or have you just recited what you hear others who are afriad to believe they might not be the product of chance? as if that were a bad thing. well, i’m sure chuck norris isn’t hurt by what you say about his faith–and neither will I be hurt by whatever comments you type after my submission. well, maybe he might hurt — hurt that you haven’t yet found purpose in life like he has — like I have –like so many have throughout history — in the one who not only created time — but knows the most fulfilling way to spend time. and has a greater purpose in life for you than you could ever dream. after all, that is why He sent His Son just for you 2,000 years ago. Maybe you might want to do a little more research?
December 27th, 2006 at 2:24 pmI’ve been sitting here (in our flat in Bristol UK)reading your comments about the pros and cons of religion, Darwin, Chucky Norris, etcetera and etcetera, for the last two hours (it is now 7.20 am friday 26th January) and you’ve all given me a good laugh. For that I thank you, It really was quite addictive. I’m pleased to say that creationism is given no credence in England (at least none that I know of).
January 26th, 2007 at 2:23 amWe have very little understanding about the world….scientific theorys will be proven wrong when we learn more and then we will make new ones.
Many people interpret the bible the wrong way, if you look at one part in too much detail you are missing the point of the bible. why spend your life trying to disprove it? because we cannot prove/disprove it as much as we cannot prove/disprove theorys… You need to believe what you are doing it true and right.
adam and eve could have evolved from mud for all we know, god could of created evolution. it would therefore be right to say god created adam and eve!
if there is no god why are we here? why would we exist? these questions are outside the scope of our minds, so we better ask god.
peace.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:30 am