ThinkFast: October 26, 2006
ThinkFast: October 26, 2006
In a radio interview Tuesday, Vice President Cheney confirmed that detainees were subjected to water-boarding, the first such admission by a Bush administration official. “It’s a no-brainer for me,” Cheney said.
$10.49 billion: Exxon’s third-quarter profit, “its second highest total ever.”
The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint asking the IRS to investigate Kansas attorney general Phill Kline’s (R) efforts to politicize the use of churches for his reelection effort. CREW’s Melanie Sloan notes that the IRS has not been even-handed in its enforcement, often targeting liberal organizations but taking few actions against conservatives.
At a public signing ceremony today, President Bush will sign a bill authorizing 700 miles of new fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. “The decision to have a public ceremony is a reversal for the Bush administration, which had appeared reluctant to tie itself so publicly to the enforcement-only measure.”
According to a secret intelligence report, the CIA offered to let Germany have access to one of its detained citizens in return for Berlin’s assistance in silencing EU protests about the clandestine torture flights program. The classified documents make clear that the U.S. sought Morocco’s participation in the rendition program.
In Baghdad’s violent Washash neighborhood, which is predominantly Shiite with pockets of Sunni residents, U.S. troops suspect “that Shi’ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army are conducting what amounts to an ethnic cleansing campaign.”
United Nations agencies report that “thousands of Iraqi women are being taken advantage of by unscrupulous sex worker traffickers seeking to exploit young girls’ desperate socio-economic situation for profit.”
“A month after NATO forces claimed a major victory in fierce fighting in southern Afghanistan, large numbers of Taliban forces returned to the region Tuesday and battled NATO forces.” The Taliban has “regrouped, helped by a booming illegal opium trade and growing frustration at the slow pace of reconstruction and a lack of jobs or a real economy.”
And finally: Dustee Tucker may no longer be the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s spokeswoman, but she isn’t just sitting around. On Nov. 11 she will be participating in upcoming charity Blondes v. Brunettes powder puff football game. (Tucker is a brunette.) From Tucker’s game bio: “If I were to win the lottery, I would buy 200 pairs of Jimmy Choo shoes to carry me in style on my quest to save the world.”
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I guess since they got their way with the Military Commissions Act, they can now tell the truth about the waterboarding?? In my book, regardless of whether it’s now condoned or not, a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie ….is a bold-faced lie….
October 26th, 2006 at 9:12 amBut, again, “WE DO NOT TURTURE”…HAHAHAHA! Is it April 1st yet??
October 26th, 2006 at 9:13 am“It’s a no brainer for me” Cheney said. Well put Dick. That just about sums up this whole administration. No brains.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:20 amAt a public signing ceremony today, President Bush will sign a bill authorizing 700 miles of new fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border.
I’m beginning to believe this is NOT to keep illegals out, but to trap citizens inside.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:21 amTorture, it’s the American way!
Sickening.
http://www.theworstpresidentever.org
October 26th, 2006 at 9:24 amTwice I have tried to post pointing out how women are treated around the world vs. here in the US. American women just don’t get what they have to lose by undermining our security by supporting Dems.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:24 amThe Vice President for Torture crawls from his box of native soil to sneer and jeer human rights, human decency and the US Constitution.
Mission Accomplished.
-GSD
October 26th, 2006 at 9:25 amMorning all, how about a caption contest on the cheney picture, my comment is……”What this administration need’s is more roughage”…….Blessings
October 26th, 2006 at 9:25 amokay,
because I am a “left leaning” Christian, I’ve always felt one should “wear the shoes” of another to understand where they are coming from. This is how I try to live my life, whether at work, at home, or at play, as well as with family members and friends.
So, after reading Dick’s admittence and approval of water-boarding as a form of interrogation, but not torture, I wonder how he would feel if one of our brave men and women fighting overseas where to be captured and “interrogated” in such manner. I also wonder how Dick would feel if his daughter was interrogated with this method. I bet he would instantly change his mind.
By the way, “the sensation of drowning” is not a pleasent one. Try having someone “forcefully hold you underwater” at a local pool for even a minute. Once the brain registers the lack of oxygen, it sends the body into “fight” mode to replenish whatever oxygen it can obtain. The more panic, the more oxygen needed. Less oxygen in the lungs, the more “crushed” you feel, the more pain you feel, the more anxious you get. Eventually, almost mercifully, once the CO2 overruns the O2 levels, one would feel a sense of “euphoria” as they die. But, that phase before the C02 levels is extremely, horribly painful, and thus should be considered torture.
I patiently await the trolls to critically label me a “terrorists sympathizer”, but I pray your children never suffer such an interrogation
October 26th, 2006 at 9:28 amWhoa!! Dick, what’re you doing?!! You just let all the terrrists know our secret non-torture (wink-wink) method of interrrgation. Now we can’t interrrgate ‘em anymore. We’ll have to let ‘em all go. I can’t tell you why that means we have to let ‘em all go. That’s a secret. And we can’t let the terrrists know our secrets, because…well…that’s a secret, too.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:28 amIf American children, women, and men (be they tourists, journalists, charity workers, or businessmen/women and their families) are taken by a foreign country as alien unlawful enemy combatants they can be waterboarded, placed in stress positions (i.e. the physical equivilant of the rack, without the machinery), stripped naked and subjected to hypothermia and our government will do nothing to stop such treatment. Because Bush has already said the world would be better off if other countries followed America’s lead on how to treat foreign citizens.
Perhaps our resident “lawyer” Mighty Afraudite can defend Cheney in his War Crimes Tribunal at The Hague.
Imagine, if you will, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the members of the PNAC all having cells next to Saddam Hussein for the rest of their natural lives.
May those who know of the crimes of this administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence of wrongdoing.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:29 am#6
yeah right Jason. Like you know anythingabout how to treat women!
Yesterday’s posts prove that.
to steal from Animal House
October 26th, 2006 at 9:31 am“Son…Fat, Lonely, and Stupid is no way to go through life”
#6 how do you figure that supporting the Dems undermines our security. The dog don’t hunt anymore. Exactly what had this administration done to secure America the past 6 years? They haven’t secured our ports. We do not screen cargo on planes for explosives. We have destabilized the Middle East which is exactly what Osama wanted. A plane hits a building in NYC. WTF, how secure are we really?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:33 am#12, DRxJ,
Are you saying that you approve of women being forced into sexual slavery?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:35 amSpeaker Pelosi! Save us from the Republican excesses and all the elected right whiners!
October 26th, 2006 at 9:35 am#16 – Are you saying the only way to stop women from being forced into sexual slavery is by continuing to torture people in Iraq?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:37 amBravo, BnF, DRxj,…………Attention poster’s we need a clean up on post #6…Giant mess as usual……..Blessings
October 26th, 2006 at 9:40 amJason,
So glad to see that you are here. I read this this morning and immediately thought of you.
“C’mon! And this man is a United States congressman?” asked Gore. “You know, 15 percent of people believe the moon landing was staged on some movie lot and a somewhat smaller number still believe the Earth is flat. They get together on Saturday night and party with the global-warming deniers.”
So do you not believe we landed on the moon also or do you have heated discussions abou that at the parties?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:40 am#17, Dem Soldier,
I am saying that the US has fought several wars over the last 2 1/2 centuries to create a land in which women are free from that type of treatment. War are ugly, but intended to maintain peace and security.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:42 am#6 Jason M. Hendler
Twice I have tried to post pointing out how women are treated around the world vs. here in the US. American women just don’t get what they have to lose by undermining our security by supporting Dems.
Assuming you’re really concerned about the treatment of women in this country or anywhere in the world, please explain how it has improved in this country under Republican rule over what it was under Democratic rule.
I would argue that the threats to take away a woman’s right to choose that grows stronger everyday under Republican rule is not a step in a positive direction. Interfering with anyone’s health decisions and trying to assume the role of decision-maker, superseding that of her doctor or herself, is not improving the status or treatment of women. Denying the morning-after pill to a woman who may have been raped, because the pharmacist has somehow construed his Biblical verses to say “Thou shalt not allow a woman to terminate her pregnancy under any circumstances, no matter how heinous the act in which she was forced to ccnceive,” is not a mark of an enlightened society or a treatment of women as equals of men.
And then there are all those nasty places in the world where they routinely abuse women, places that just happen to be allies of ours. Or else they’re places where we’ve attempted to impose our Western style of democracy and they adopt all of it but the part where women are deemed to be human beings.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:43 am#16, Dem Soldier,
I am saying that the US has fought it wars for the last 2 1/2 centuries to guarentee freedoms – such as women not being forced into sexual slavery.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:45 amJason,
YOU are so full of it.. Yah right the Taliban and Alqaeda will invade the USA. First off most every American owns a gun. The insurgents (meaning us), would kick the crap out of any invader.
Shut the F up, you fear mongering GOP whore.. Why don’t you go hang out on redstate where you COWARDS can hang out together!!!
October 26th, 2006 at 9:46 am#20, chimp,
Sure, Reagan won the cold war, preventing the Soviet Union from taking over. Look at how many prostitutes in the US come from the former Soviet States, where the sex slavery trade flourishes – another “benefit” of communism and Darwinism.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:46 amLet’s look at how great it is for American Women under Bush, bu the numbers.
About 3,000 American Women are mourning the loss of their daughter or son in Iraq.
Countless American Women are dealing with a son, brother, loved one or spouse who has returned from Iraq missing significant portions of their bodies, or suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.
Aproximately 140,000 American Women are living a daily nightmare as their son, husband, brother or loved won serves in Iraq right now.
Countless American military wives live in fear that their husband will be sent to Iraq.
Yesterday I had the pleasure of seeing an American Woman whose son was killed in Iraq, and a military wife whose husband will likely be sent to Iraq. Their pain and anxiety are real. And they are speaking out and doing what they can to stop Bush’s illegal and immoral war. One is Cindy Sheehan, the other, the wife of a Naval pilot.
When will we, as a species, decide to solve our differences without going to war? Has history ever looked kindly on those who initiated war?
Has history looked kindly upon those who dedicated their lives to peaceful resistance and nonviolence as a path to change?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:47 am#14 – Tom DeLay approved of it. He did everything in his power to keep the sweatshops going in the Marianas. So vote Republican to keep sexual slavery alive and well in the Marianas.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:47 amI am saying that the US has fought it wars for the last 2 1/2 centuries to guarentee freedoms – such as women not being forced into sexual slavery.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Will this be the new Republican “flavor of the week” excuse for invading and occupying Iraq? Women’s rights?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:48 am#19 – Then why was your original post against someone who said we shouldn’t continue to torture people we have in custody?
To follow your logic, we must torture to remain free.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:48 amWe learned water boarding from our enemies in WW II. When the war was over we prosecuted those enemies for water boarding. It was fresh in the minds of those that drafted the Geneva Conventions outlawing torture. Cheney discounts history by saying that water boarding is not torture and that it is a no brainer. It is torture and it is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions and likely our own law.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:48 amThe Veep is only now willing to say these things plubliclly because he is covered by the torture bill (Military Commission Act) that was signed into law last week.
As for the Jimmy Choo’s, I’m a woman but I’ve never understood the appeal of shoes. And even if I did, I would find it ludicrous to spend a lot of money on shoes.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:49 am#24, Bris,
Oh boo hoo! American women stay home while their men lose life and limb, how terrible for women!
October 26th, 2006 at 9:49 amJust for the record, I’m kinda floored that Jason knows so much about prostitution and their demographics in the United States, as well as sex slavery.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:50 amSorta makes you wonder, huh?
The United States of America has created the situation where women are being sold into sexual slavery.
The freedoms Americans have fought and died for are now illusory, thanks to Bush’s Military Commissions Act.
We are living in a fascist dictator state. It’s just that many of us are too stupified to know it yet.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:51 amLook at how many prostitutes in the US come from the former Soviet States, where the sex slavery trade flourishes – another “benefit†of communism and Darwinism.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
The sex trade floourishes in economically destitute areas that once were self sufficient. They have no skills and jobs to fall back on and no social structure to help them. Darwinism is a cause of the sex trade? WTF? Dude, have your coffee then get back on.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:51 amJason, why are some Republicans now saying that it would be OK for the Taliban to rule Afghanistan? Don’t they care about women as much as you? Oh yeah, you DON’T care about women.
You, and a pile of Neocon desparate power hungry dittoheads continue with the phrase, “undermining our security by supporting Dems”. Please stop that nonesensical statement. It’s more true that Bush has undermined world security by invading Iraq and putting Afghanistan on the back burner.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:52 amOh boo hoo! American women stay home while their men lose life and limb
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 26, 2006 @ 9:49 am
Jason, Seriously, no kidding aside…this is exactly why you’ll never have a relationship with a woman.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:52 amDude, lighten up on your hatred of women, it’s unhealthy and non productive
Jason Hendler doesn’t understand much of anything. Other countries are now pointing to the U.S. policies as justification for their mistreatment and abuse of prisoners. To make it simple for you, Jason, the Bush administration’s support of torture is an example for the rest of the world. Now, how is Bush protecting women, or anyone else, in those countries?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:53 am#25, thanks. You just beat me to that point. Jason, that is a US Territory where they import women into sweatshops, sexual slavery and forced abortioins, all endorsed by Delay, Abramoff, and other current members of Congress. Sweatshop manufactured goods in the Marianas are allowed to carry the Made in USA label. The Republicans should be proud of how much they’ve done to protect women.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:54 am#32, Bris,
How can you blame a country only 2 1/2 old for the worlds oldest profession? The US has done more to end sex slavery than any institution other than the Catholic / Protestant churches, so how can you make such a ridiculous charge?
October 26th, 2006 at 9:54 am#30, Jason you’re an idiot. Women are serving as well and losing life and limb.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:55 am“Sure, Reagan won the cold war, preventing the Soviet Union from taking over. Look at how many prostitutes in the US come from the former Soviet States, where the sex slavery trade flourishes – another “benefit†of communism and Darwinism.”
Not that again! You are thick. Reagan was an innocent bystander as the Soviet Union had a melt down.
No wonder you have trouble with Gay marriage, your all screwed up with your sexuality. Typical right wing head trauma.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:56 amMr. Hendler, I stand (or sit) corrected. I was under the impression you were referencing the post about PVPres. Cheney stating that we are water-boarding people we have in custody.
I think you need to re-examine your history. It was Republicans that have historically been against rights for women, and Democrats who have embraced equality for women. Which party stood for the civil rights movement and which party stood against it? Why did all the Dixiecrats leave the Democratic party for the Republican party?
Please, enough with your historical revisionism.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:58 amJason,
Yah right Raygun won the cold war.. LOL. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Russia’s communist war based society failed, it’s as simple as that. They were tired of being alone in the world. That’s why the wall came down. And soon Americans out of control capitalist war based economy will fail too. In a world that generally wants peace or to be left alone, soon America will be left alone if you idioits remain in charge.
Oh god here we go with the Darwinism.. Jason its a fact that crime has been going down since Darwinism was taught in schools.
It’s also a fact that most Americans do not believe in Darwin’s theories. So I asked you yesterday but you were too cowardly to admit. Since most Americans believe in creationism, most crime is therefore attributed to “believers of the great creation”.
Countries where more people believe in the theories of evolution tend to be less violent, live longer..
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA001_1.html
October 26th, 2006 at 9:59 amThe Neocons have finally won! Now even Cheney is a “born again.” For the first time in his life he told the TRUTH! He finally admitted he didn’t have a brain.
Bash on Bush–Click on Clyde!
October 26th, 2006 at 9:59 am#39, Buck,
Bris was commenting on soldier’s mothers, wifes, sisters, daughters, nieces, etc. I am pointing out that society tends to dismiss the sacrifice of a fallen soldier, while quivering at the sight of a sobbing widow.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:01 am#14 Jason M. Hendler
Are you saying that you approve of women being forced into sexual slavery?
Well, Tom DeLay, John Doolittle, David Safavian, Conrad Burns, Karl Rove, and scores of other Republican members of Congress and the Interior Department seemed to approve of it in the Marianas (a U.S. possession), since they did so much to help Abramoff please his lobbying clients there. DeLay even blocked Republican-sponsored (Murkowski (R-AK)) legislation that would have cracked down on the working conditions there and probably stopped the forced sexual slavery and forced abortions.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:02 ami would avoid using the term ‘no brainer’ if i had shot a man in the face, but maybe that’s just me
October 26th, 2006 at 10:02 am#42, MakeaStink,
Easy answer, crime has increased due to the perpetual teaching of Darwinism in schools ;).
October 26th, 2006 at 10:03 am#45, chimp,
Are you saying the intent of those congressmen’s actions was to promote sexual slavery and abortion? No one will take you seriously anymore if you continue to say that …
October 26th, 2006 at 10:04 amAmerican women just don’t get what they have to lose by undermining our security by supporting Dems.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 26, 2006 @ 9:24 am
Anyone detect a wee bit of chauvinism here?
Elect the Democrats and our women will be sold into sexual slavery. Jason, you have hit a new low.
Absolutely pathetic. Beyond pathetic.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:04 amI can’t believe that I’m reading arguments that the US has fought wars to promote or protect the rights of women. Provide a single example please and no weasley “to protect them from islam or communism or darwinism” arguments please. What the hell is up with complaints about darwinism anyway, might as well bitch about gravityism or newtonism or how about planckism or hubbleism. You need to find books by smarter people.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:06 amPut down the shovel, Jason. You’ve already tunneled all the way to China.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:07 amaarrggghhh!
October 26th, 2006 at 10:08 am#49, RealScientist,
For the sake of argument, how is that chauvenistic? Wouldn’t a chauvenist want women forced into sexual slavery?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:09 amJason, your arguments are completely worthless.
Perhaps if we continue to talk about Evolution here, you will be like the rest of the “Good Christians” and kill, rape, or rob someone, then we can lock you up. Perhaps that will be a relief for your relationship woes when Bubba in cell block H is tossing your salad. then you two can pray together.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:10 amExplain how exactly this might come to pass Jason. Democrats win and then… connect a few dots for us here.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:11 am#48 – Jason, I believe that what Chimp said is that in the name of their corporate masters, those congressmen were willing to overlook sexual slavery and abortion. And speaking of someone that no one takes seriously…….
October 26th, 2006 at 10:13 am#53 “Wouldn’t a communist want to gather babies and burn them in big piles?” This is how dumb that question looks to me.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:13 am#23 Jason M. Hendler
Sure, Reagan won the cold war, preventing the Soviet Union from taking over. Look at how many prostitutes in the US come from the former Soviet States, where the sex slavery trade flourishes – another “benefit†of communism and Darwinism.
You just shot down your own argument. The women who are coming over here as prostitutes from the former Soviet Union are a sign of the exploding prostitution industry there. There’s always been prostitution in Russia, but nothing like we’re seeing now under their ‘free-market society.’ Not to say communism is a good thing, but it’s not to blame for the sex slavery trade there now. Just the opposite.
By the way, Reagan winning the Cold War didn’t prevent the Soviet Union from taking over. They never really had a shot at it. It prevented there from being a nuclear holocaust, whether intended or accidental. That was the threat we lived under for three decades.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:14 amWouldn’t a chauvenist want women forced into sexual slavery?
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 26, 2006 @ 10:09 am
Umm, not necessarily, Jason. Chauvinists typically view women as children, to be protected, not to be pimped out. I do find it very interesting that you view chauvinism this way, though, and I’m sure that quite a few psychologists would find it very interesting, too.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:15 amI think bubba would insist on being the tossee but perhaps not.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:15 amIt is a no brainer for me to say that I would love to have that evil man held accountable for his crimes. Also, I would love to have him waterboarded.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:16 amDRxJ, our soldiers would be LUCKY to only get waterboarding. You’re whining about waterboarding; why don’t you whine about what happens to our soldiers, reporters, etc?
So would I want my son to suffer from waterboarding? If he was a terrorist, killing women and children, and waterboarding would help save lives, I’d dump the water on him myself… Or should we just say “Pretty please Mr. Terrorist, please tell us what we want to know”
October 26th, 2006 at 10:16 amEverything’s a no-brainer for this idiot.
He lied before the law was passed by saying they didn’t torture. Now, he admits it, but it’s still not torture I guess, despite the fact that they had to get a law passed to make torture legal.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:16 amI think the reason that Jason is so anti-evolution is because he’s upset about having been left out of the process…..
October 26th, 2006 at 10:17 amOh, and nice to provide a link to the PROTECTED portion of WSJ.
Try this link instead.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:17 amComment by Dale — October 26, 2006 @ 10:16 am
Freak alert.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:18 am#63, RealScientist,
Perhaps I am just confusing chauvenist with misogynist. I guess a chauvenist does view women as weak and requiring protection, as opposed to a misogynist who hates women.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:18 am#23 – “Reagan won the cold war”
By that logic, Pres. Clinton was responsible for the largest increase of the Dow, from 5,000 to 11,000.
That also means that Pres. Bush was responsible for the terrorists attacking the US in 2001.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:18 am#64, quadraplegic,
Au contraire, there is a marked increase in individuals born exhibiting symptons of autistic spectral disorder (ASD), so we may be the next step in the evolutionary path.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:20 amTP, could we get some intelligent trolls, please?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:20 amThese jokes like Jackoff Handler are dumber than the chimp, for God’s sake. Dumb, dumber & dumbest….
Bush
Cheney
Hendler
I know, intelligence in a Republican troll is an oxymoron, but the stupid
shit he spews is like waking up with Kathrine Harris next to you.
(Sorry for the visual, TPers!)
Perhaps I am just confusing chauvenist with misogynist.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 26, 2006 @ 10:18 am
When it comes to you, Jason, I am not ruling out anything yet.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:20 am#68, Dem Soldier,
Reagan took actions that pushed the Soviet Union to collapse. Clinton signed NAFTA and vigorously pursued world trade, that pushed the Dow to record highs. Neither succeeded on their own, but both did essential things to bring these results about.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:22 amOr should we just say “Pretty please Mr. Terrorist, please tell us what we want to knowâ€
Comment by Dale
If you think that is what interrogators are trained in doing then you need to examine it a little more. Interrogation techniques that are used to get people to talk have evolved into a science because it is known that torture will get people to say any damn thing to make the torture stop. No useful info gained. Why do you hate our official CIA interogation techniques. You think you know better than them?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:22 amCAPTION CONTEST:
October 26th, 2006 at 10:22 am“Next, I’ll eat my own daughter”
-No-brain Cheney
Icky Jason sure does display a lot of resentment towards women.
At the risk of allowing Jason to hijack this thread with his futile attempts to portray his twisted views as somehow supporting women’s rights I have a question for him.
If wars must be fought to obtain rights for women then why do women in Canada and Scandanavia have more equality with men than women do in the U.S.?
From what I understand, women in Iraq are pretty much confined to their houses now and have lost what freedoms they had before the U.S. moved in.
So tell me Jason – why are we starting wars again? So Cheney has an excuse to have people tortured?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:22 am#38 Jason M. Hendler
The US has done more to end sex slavery than any institution other than the Catholic / Protestant churches, so how can you make such a ridiculous charge?
Dammit, Jason, the idiocy is coming fast and furious from you today. I can hardly keep up. Look, pal, the U.S. has done as much as, if not more than, any other country in the world to patronize the sex slave industry as well as the child sex rings in southeast Asia. That’s not helping the victims, it’s helping the perpetrators. The people running those rings know there’s big money to be made from American tourists. Otherwise, they’d find a different line of work.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:23 amJason, you are the salt in peoples wounds, the grain of sand in the eye, a mere pimple on my ass. Are you the standard bearer for what women should be thankful for in this country? I pity the female that would have such low self esteem to think that you are a prize.
Your earlier statementI am saying that the US has fought several wars over the last 2 1/2 centuries to create a land in which women are free from that type of treatment. War are ugly, but intended to maintain peace and security.
Wrong.
Wars are fought for land, control, money and power. Peace and security may or may not result. Show us all examples and I will refute them with that pesky little thing called facts.
Your obsession with all this sex is really quite telling and pitiful.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:25 am#79, margaret,
Canada and Scandanavia sided with the allies in the great wars and developed similar social policies with their allies. A better example is Switzerland, who never fights in a war.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:27 am#47 Jason M. Hendler
Easy answer, crime has increased due to the perpetual teaching of Darwinism in schools ;).
Please demonstrate how one led to the other. You righties really don’t have a clue what ’cause and effect’ means. And I hadn’t realized there was no crime in this country before the Scopes Trial. Where did you read that?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:28 amBravo. Absolutely Bravo for you, Dale. It took you about 60 posts to become the first Torture is A-okay troll.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:28 amYou said, if my son was a terrorist
You didn’t say, if my son was a “suspected” terrorist.
completely different.
Would you “pour water” over his head if he was just a suspect because he attended the same mosque as “Jalal Ahmed Muhammad Sayad”, no. 2 mastermind of Al quaeda and the 20th Hijacker?
#76, chimp,
So the wealth created by a capatilist society is responsible for the drug trade, weapons trade, sex trade, etc., because this wealth generating engine creates the means by which these trades are sustained?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:28 am#77, hell,
Sorry, America fought WWII to crush fascism and promote freedom. America didn’t want land / money from Germany / Japan, and we only wanted enough power / control over them as to prevent them from starting another war. Both are economic power houses today.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:30 amI told you libs that Jesus’ will shall prevail. Lord, I truly thank you for influencing the Senate, House, and our President into completing this bill. A fence should have been built on the border 5 years prior. Next, ban gay marriage.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:31 am#72 – And Pres. Bush took no actions to hinder terrorists from acting with impunity in the US, therefore he’s as indirectly responsible for the terrorists attacks just as Pres. Reagan is indirectly responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Thanks for helping me make my case!
October 26th, 2006 at 10:32 amWell, it’s been fun, but it is time to go get lunch …
Peace and Love
PS See you here the day after the election, so that I can praise Schumer and Emanuel for making gains for Clintonistas, while crushing Lamont and Webb – poor progs will never learn.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:32 am#81,
October 26th, 2006 at 10:33 amGod Jason,
He is saying that the sex slavery rings are there because of the money involved. It has nothing to do with the type of government system a country has of if they believe in evolution. Its the money.
#48
Are you saying the intent of those congressmen’s actions was to promote sexual slavery and abortion? No one will take you seriously anymore if you continue to say that
They were told about it on the floor of the House and Senate. They knew about it. They continued to back Abramoff’s clients and turn a blind eye to the forced sexual slavery and forced abortions. How are they not responsible?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:34 am#79, he read it on the internet, umm in post #47 on this thread.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:34 amI somehow am quite willing to believe Cheney didn’t use his brain on the torture issue.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:37 amCAPTION:
October 26th, 2006 at 10:38 am“I am…sooooo……. friggin’…… CONSTIPATED“
#80 chimpeach.
As anyone who has ever been to Subic Bay or Olongapo can attest to.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:39 am#62 Dale
DRxJ, our soldiers would be LUCKY to only get waterboarding. You’re whining about waterboarding; why don’t you whine about what happens to our soldiers, reporters, etc?
So would I want my son to suffer from waterboarding? If he was a terrorist, killing women and children, and waterboarding would help save lives, I’d dump the water on him myself… Or should we just say “Pretty please Mr. Terrorist, please tell us what we want to knowâ€
That’s right, DRxJ. If you’re going to whine about something, you should whine about Iraqi citizens being burned alive with white phosporous shells or Iraqi children being sodomized by U.S. contractors in Abu Ghraib. Not just some wimpy waterboarding charge.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:40 am#69 – Jason, you’re a therapist’s dream patient – a real case looking for a study. Seriously, you’re such a classic example of so many disorders that trying to figure out which one to delve into first would be as difficult as trying to decide which of the administations crimes to investigate first. Where does one start?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:41 amThanks for setting me straight there Jason! lol
I’m pretty sure that Cheney’s motivation for starting wars has nothing to do with “creating a land in which women are free”.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:44 amWe are now a nation of torturers.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:46 amI am saying that the US has fought it wars for the last 2 1/2 centuries to guarentee freedoms – such as women not being forced into sexual slavery.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
And there it is right there, the bleating of the delusional acolyte of the myth of American exceptionalism.
500,000 Filipinos died just over 100 years ago for their freedoms, freedom from the United States turning them into an outpost of empire. Need more? Any Native Americans here? Hondurans, Mexicans, Haitians? Cubans? Vietnamese?
October 26th, 2006 at 10:49 amCaption Contest:
“Alright, time to bring on the ferret, watch me bite its head off”
October 26th, 2006 at 10:50 amLet’s waterboard Dick after he gets impeached and sent off to Gitmo for war crimes.
October 26th, 2006 at 10:56 amJason, you have a right to your opinion but the facts point out the opposite. We entered WWII only after being directly attacked. We had a very strong isolationist policy in place prior to that. Several days after Pearl Harbor Germany declared War on us. We didn’t start the fight against Fascism until it was thrust upon us. And your economic powerhouse comment proves my point.
Your denial of the injustices going on in the Marianas is proof you selectively turn a blind eye because YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH
October 26th, 2006 at 10:57 amJason Hendler,
Yeah, if women vote Democrat instead of Republican, they will lose their “Desperate Housewives” lifestyle and we all know how tragic that would be.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:00 am#64, Quadrajet, that’s perfect!
Let’s not confuse Jason with homo sapiens sapiens. He is obviously not.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:01 am#81 Jason M. Hendler
So the wealth created by a capatilist society is responsible for the drug trade, weapons trade, sex trade, etc., because this wealth generating engine creates the means by which these trades are sustained?
What I’m saying, since you’re having such a hard time following it, is that when the “wealth created by a capitalist society” is spent on sexual slaves in a country like Thailand or Cambodia or someplace in Easter Europe, for example, it keeps these businesses running and provides incentive for the operators to procure more sex slaves to meet the demand. Simple supply and demand, Jason. Surely you can understand that.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:01 am#83 Daryll
I told you libs that Jesus’ will shall prevail. Lord, I truly thank you for influencing the Senate, House, and our President into completing this bill. A fence should have been built on the border 5 years prior.
Did Jesus specifically say a 700 mile fence? I’m curious about that length. What’s the significance? Any idea why he didn’t just go for a fence along the entire border?
October 26th, 2006 at 11:04 am#91
As anyone who has ever been to Subic Bay or Olongapo can attest to.
Uh-oh. Do I know you? Look, she told me she was 18. She looked at least 16. How was I supposed to know. J/K
October 26th, 2006 at 11:09 amWell, it’s been fun, but it is time to go get lunch …
October 26th, 2006 at 11:09 amComment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 26, 2006 @ 10:32 am
Who takes a lunch at 10:30am?
You’re not just heading out to a few right wing blogs, so that you can come back in about 6 or 7 hours to cut and past rebuttals, are you?
I told you libs that Jesus’ will shall prevail. Lord, I truly thank you for influencing the Senate, House, and our President into completing this bill. A fence should have been built on the border 5 years prior.
Comment by Daryll — October 26, 2006 @ 10:31 am
Daryll – What will Jesus do when illegals start combating his 12 ft fence with 14 ft ladders?
October 26th, 2006 at 11:16 amDaryll,
What does Jesus say about the poor, the down trodden, the less fortunate? Do you really think Jesus sides with tax cuts for the rich? How about attacking someone before they attack you. That kind of goes against that whole other cheek thing.
Don’t use God to fit into your perversion of reality.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:20 amI told you libs that Jesus’ will shall prevail. Lord, I truly thank you for influencing the Senate, House, and our President into completing this bill. A fence should have been built on the border 5 years prior. Next, ban gay marriage.
Comment by Daryll — October 26, 2006 @ 10:31 am
Not again. St Darryl what makes you think the voices in your head are Jesus? The arrogance of people who think they ‘know’ what Jesus or God want.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:23 amOh that’s good:
Daryll – What will Jesus do when illegals start combating his 12 ft fence with 14 ft ladders?
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — October 26, 2006 @ 11:16 am
October 26th, 2006 at 11:24 amY’all will have to wait a minute for Daryll’s responses to your questions. He’s been placed on hold while Jesus discusses more pressing issues with bush.
October 26th, 2006 at 11:31 amI think I may just give up on the TP comments section. It gets SOOO boring reading the same people arguing with each other through serial postings .
October 26th, 2006 at 11:31 amGoddamit! I stayed up until 1:00 AM fixing my lyingbastardometer, and within six posts it pegged out and exploded again!
October 26th, 2006 at 11:52 amI really need to upgrade to the HendlerProof version.
I have a better question for Jason:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/24_08_05_constit.pdf
Article 2: Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that constradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
So Jason, to my question, how the hell do you get off saying that America is protecting women’s rights?
October 26th, 2006 at 11:57 amJason Hendler is deeply troubled about the rights of women. I believe him. But, I’m confused about why he would support a party which has been working to maintain a system of forced sex labor and forced abortions in the Northern Marianas. Jason, can you explain the seeming contradiction?
As far as Chendy is concerned, he is now, by definition, a war criminal, and I hope to see him standing in the dock listening to testimony against him at the World Court.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:08 pmCheney sure seems to be the President of Vice alrighty.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:14 pmHello, Jason Hendler, you out there. You posted remarks about how concerned you were with womens’ rights, and I asked you how you could support politicians who, the record shows, have been working to support and maintain a system of forced prosititution and forced abortions in the Northern Marianas.
Can you explain how it is that you, a supporter of womens’ rights, would also support forced prostitution and forced abortion?
October 26th, 2006 at 12:22 pmJason! Jason! The women of the Northern Marianas Islands appreciate your committment to womens’ rights. But they wonder why you continue to vote for republicraps who have set up this system of forced abortion and forced prostitution for them there! Can you please explain.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pm“I am saying that the US has fought it wars for the last 2 1/2 centuries to guarentee freedoms – such as women not being forced into sexual slavery.”
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Abrahmoff, Delay, Ney, Doolittle, Pombo, Hastert, etc. etc., all republicans, have been working to maintain a system in U.S. terroritory, the Northern Marianas, of forced prostitution and forced abortion. Jason, if you are so concerned with womens’ rights, why do you vote for people like this?
October 26th, 2006 at 12:45 pmDaryll, I have a personal relationship with Zeus. We talk all the time. Zeus tells me you’re mistaken about Yahwe or Abraham or whatever name he goes by these days. Zeus tells me Abraham doesn’t give a fig about what happens down here. He’s off doing other things. It’s a very large universe, you know. Zeus also wants you to know that he’s still in charge around here and he’s particularly pissed at you. Oh, one more thing. He talks with Jesus often, and tells me Jesus is particulary miffed that you and your friends have forgotten some of what he thought were his most important messages.
October 26th, 2006 at 12:56 pmDaryll: “Lord, I truly thank you for influencing the Senate, House, and our President into completing this bill. A fence should have been built on the border 5 years prior.”
Daryll don’t reed tu guud.
October 26th, 2006 at 1:23 pmIf you miss the train I’m on,
you will know that I am gone,
you can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.
A hundred miles, a hundred miles,
a hundred miles, a hundred miles,
you can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.
Lord, I’m one, Lord, I’m two, Lord,
I’m three, Lord, I’m four, Lord,
I’m five, Lord, I’m six, Lord,
I’m seven hundred miles a way from home.
Away from home, away from home,
away from home, away from home,
Lord, I’m seven hundred miles away from home.
Not a shirt on my back,
not a penny to my name.
Lord, I can’t go back home this-a way.
This-a way, this-a way,
this-a way, this-a way,
Lord, I can’t go back home this-a way.
If you miss the train I’m on,
October 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmyou will know that I am gone,
you can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.
A hundred miles, a hundred miles,
a hundred miles, a hundred miles,
you can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.
Cheney has revealed a “technique” used on suspected terrists! Now our enemies can prepare for it so it will no longer be effective. Cheney is a traitor, by Bush’s own definition. Welp, let’s get his treason trial scheduled!
October 26th, 2006 at 1:44 pmCheney is a war criminal. I suspect that 5 years from now, he’ll be living on Bush’s new ranch in Paraquay and claiming the world court has no juristiction over him.
October 26th, 2006 at 2:28 pmHow can you blame a country only 2 1/2 old for the worlds oldest profession?
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — October 26, 2006 @ 9:54 am
Easy. Read post 32. And read the article on the same topic in the Thinkfast thread.
Oh, maybe it’s not that easy. One must be able to read first. And comprehend, which is a skill you obviously lack.
October 26th, 2006 at 3:33 pmAll of Jason’s Russian mail-order brides hit the streets, rather than stay with him. Boo frickin’ hoo.
October 26th, 2006 at 3:50 pmGood job Herr Hendler. You have succeeded in going off topic and drawing numerous posters into battle with your weak ass strawmen.
October 26th, 2006 at 4:48 pmNow go out and play in traffic.
[...] Think Progress [...]
October 26th, 2006 at 5:45 pmWhy do we have to keep seeing pictures of that ugly, old creep Cheney? What a icky, icky guy, and what a loser from another era, who doesn’t really belong involved in geopolitics today….the con’s barrel has been sucked so dry that they’ve had to rely on nixon-era hacks and contragate-era toadies to tend the fires and fetch the water in the 21st century…..truly obsolete, ugly and awkward in their “last throes” – too bad the dumb people in the US are letting them loot the treasury and sell their grandchildren into slavery so these corrupt old wrecks can have their “last hurrah”
October 26th, 2006 at 6:24 pmJust so everyone has some perspective on this, Japanese interrogators used this waterboarding technique on American prisoners of war and were prosecuted for it after the war. They were convicted of war crimes.
Cheney is a war criminal.
October 26th, 2006 at 6:32 pmEvidently, Bush has purchased 98 thousand acres of land in northern Paraguay near the Brazilian border and gotten the government of Paraguay to pass a law which says military personnel within its borders are not subject to the World Court. Are Bush and Cheney going to seek asylum in South America rather than stand trial for war crimes? Sounds bizarre, but we do live in very strange times.
October 26th, 2006 at 7:39 pm131 – That “ranch” is for Kenny Boy (he’s already down there setting up housekeeping), and for others who may choose to seek asylum once Democracy is set to rights here once again.
Then again, it may be a colossal “safe house” that the twisted paranoids in charge believe they may need when “the terrorists” nuke the continental states. You’ve got to remember that Rummy and Dickie cut their teeth back in the day fantasizing about doomsday scenarios riding around in Air Force One for days at a time for no good reasons. These are guys still convinced of the theories they developed in college while playing “Risk” in the common areas of the geek dorms they were assigned to and having Joe McCarthy/John Birch rallies.
For shorthand, let’s start calling it “The Sudetenland” – fun and fitting!
October 26th, 2006 at 8:01 pm