The Dixie Chicks Ad NBC Doesn’t Want You To See
The Dixie Chicks Ad NBC Doesn’t Want You To See
NBC is refusing to air an ad for the new Dixie Chicks documentary, “Shut Up & Sing.” Variety reports, “NBC’s commercial clearance department said in writing that it ‘cannot accept these spots as they are disparaging to President Bush.’”
Harvey Weinstein, who is distributing the movie, issued the following statement:
It’s a sad commentary about the level of fear in our society that a movie about a group of courageous entertainers who were blacklisted for exercising their right of free speech is now itself being blacklisted by corporate America. The idea that anyone should be penalized for criticizing the president is profoundly un-American.
ThinkProgress has obtained the ad NBC doesn’t want you to see. Watch it:
More on Shut Up and Sing, including when it comes to your city, HERE.
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Anyone who still talks about “the liberal media” should be sterilized. They are clearly too stupid to breed.
October 27th, 2006 at 11:56 am.
“To announce there must be no criticism of the President, and to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, it is morally treasonous to the American public.â€
October 27th, 2006 at 11:58 am– President Theodore Roosevelt
Mussolini said fascism is corporations executing state policy.
Is it just me, or does it feel a little Third Reich-y thse past 6 years?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:00 pmBush hates the Dixie Chicks, so he is leaning on the news networks to boycott any promotion of their movie! Very sad that NBC is afraid to stand up to Bush who is the worst president in United States’ history > shame on NBC, so they must be boycotted by progressives now!
October 27th, 2006 at 12:02 pmI’m with TR. NBC is a traitor.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:02 pmThis is a joke, right?
I think we need to prepare to apply some strong pressure on the (crossing fingers) new chair of whatever House committee(s) oversee the FCC and broadcast licensing.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:04 pmSo we should force NBC to put on TV what we say? Aren’t they allowed to do what they want?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:05 pmFunny, but predictable. This film is not showing here anyhwhere, including our only alternative movie venue. It just shows you how red our state is.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:06 pmAnd I live in the capital city.
Cowering, simpering weasely bastards. Did that cover it all?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:06 pmAmazing, astonishing, gobsmacking, over-the-top …
That this is being censored by NBC should be trumpeted far and wide, held us as clear and concise evidence that America is fast approaching a bona fide, demonstrable state of fascism in terms of its governance, and the collusion therein by the likes of NBC, Fox, WaPo et al ..
But i guess that has been pretty evident for some time now, and those who don’t want to see it or believe it will not be convinced by yet one more piece of clear evidence.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:06 pmThis is outrageous. Patriots are demonized, and cowardly hypocrites are idolized.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:06 pmDoesn’t Olbermann call chimpy “putz”?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:07 pmMy bad, says opens everywhere Nov. 10. I’ll give my alternative a chance to show it! :)
October 27th, 2006 at 12:08 pmSo can we stop this bullshit about the airways belonging to the people?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:11 pmIt’s time for the masks to come off. The war being waged in this country between the haves and the have-nots, is between the big corporations, and the common good. This is the source of American Fascism, and George Bush is just one of the pawns in their game. Until Americans begin to ask whose agenda is driving this country, and how are they expointing our fears, and our weakness, to advance their own corporate interests, no resistance will be possible. We are all serfs to them. They are the noblemen in the high castle.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:11 pmgod bless the Chix!
October 27th, 2006 at 12:12 pmWe have people getting killed in Iraq supposedly for freedom that we can’t use here in America. Since when is making disparaging remarks not allowed. I guess Letterman and Leno will be yanked off the air.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:14 pmExperience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
October 27th, 2006 at 12:14 pmThis ad aired on Fox News last night, exactly as it is. I thought that was a brilliant move on the part of the Dixie Chicks - take the fight to the enemy! - and I’m surprised to hear NBC and CW aren’t airing it.
But it aired on Fox News. Fair and balanced?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:15 pmYes.
But we have the right to blast them for not showing something based not on a longstanding policy like CBS’s, but simply because the ad in question is critical of the President.
Last I checked, this was supposed to be America, not Cuba.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:15 pmMaybe Aaron Sorkin can get NBC into line. Insert some biting parody of the network into the next episode of Studio 60. Heads will roll. Roll.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:15 pmBest campaign slogan of 06′.
Bush cut and ran from Af-ghan-is-tan.
Maybe the Dixie Chicks can make it into a song.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:16 pmMy household is giving NBC a one week time-out.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:17 pmRemember we have a president who does not tolerate bad news or criticism. With his newly acquired “war powers” it is simply a matter of time before “disparaging remarks” of the president will earn you a visit and detainment from the FBI. What a wonderful job our representatives have done to maintain our freedoms and they did so in fewer days than any other congress!
October 27th, 2006 at 12:19 pmFrom BNF’s post on the Thinkfast thread:
There is an interesting freedom of speech issue. Television networks receive government licenses to use portions of the ultraviolet spectrum to transmit their broadcasts. They are supposed to be content neurtral.
Entertainers, on the other hand, are not regulated. There is a difference.
NBC is exercising self-censorship solely on the grounds that it ‘disparages the president’. What about ABC showing the Road to 9/11 which disparaged another president?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:19 pmWhen was the last time any network ever refused to air a Republicon/right wing ad?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:20 pmAnyone?
My household has been giving NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN et al a permanent time out since 2004. I get my news here.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:21 pm1. Boycott all GE products and services
2. Send a letter to GE CEO Jeffrey Immellt requesting how much money his company has profited so far on the illegal war in Iraq.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:23 pmDoesn’t Olbermann call chimpy “putz�
Comment by Think+Half+Ass+Progress
Yeah. And rightly so, Half Ass.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:23 pmI can’t say I care. Today’s music sucks, I don’t watch TV, and hollywood can’t make an intelligent movie to save their lives. They hit my trifecta.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:23 pmUh… last time I checked TV isn’t broadcast over ultraviolet. Electromagenetic, yes. UV, no.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:26 pmOur country has been lost. We now live under a dictatorship no better than China or Cuba.
We’re no longer allowed to “disparage” our president. Free speech is only allowed if it supports the Bush regime. Our media has become exclusively government approved propaganda while being labeled as “liberal” media.
I am now seriously worried about the election. Seems more likely that the new electronic voting machines will report more republican votes, because of course the voting machine companies wouldn’t want to “disparage” the republican party by showing accurate vote counts.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:26 pmthe rednecks who are mad at the dixie chicks are about the stupidest people in america
October 27th, 2006 at 12:27 pmThe Dixie Chicks Ad NBC Doesn’t Want You To See (Video)…
NBC is refusing to air an ad for the new Dixie Chicks documentary, "Shut Up & Sing." Variety reports, "NBC’s commercial clearance department said in writing that it ‘cannot accept these spots as they are disparaging to President B…
October 27th, 2006 at 12:27 pmYeah, wouldn’t to disparage the idiot.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:29 pmIt’s much better for the country if we kiss the presidents ass and pretend he’s not a bumbling incompetent liar.
Have NBC affiliates run the ads against Ford in Tennessee? Do they show Ann Coulter, who advocates killing Supreme Court Justices? Do they give voice to George Bush? It seems to me that NBC is selective about whom they are willing to offend. Not very good stewardship of their FCC license, I’d say.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:30 pmSomething is really rotten in denmark…
ABC broadcasts path to 9/11 which distorts history. Defames officials by making up scenes and dialog which did not occur. Runs the movie for hours commercial free.
NBC refuses to accept money to run a advertisement which shows Bush’s own words.
There is something very scary going on in the corporate world. Once the media becomes a puppet of a dictator, there is little the general population can do.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:30 pmi saw the trailer on the link the other day… i remember it included a clip of dumbya saying that the chicks should not be banned for saying something that some people don’t agree with… mighty big of him…
October 27th, 2006 at 12:32 pmmaybe it was in TPs link also…
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One protester wanted the Dixie Chicks to move to France…
Hey buddy, just like you - they are voicing an opinion. If YOU don’t like freedom of speech, why don’t YOU move to some place like North Korea?
If you’re a devout Christian why not move to Rome where you can be close to the Vatican?
The whole point of being in America is having the freedom to speak what you wish, and the freedom to question and criticize OUR elected leader if we’re not happy with his policies.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:37 pmRoger #7,
NBC is allowed to use the airwaves as long as the United Status Government, a/k/a, the people, allows them to. NBC has a license; it does not own them.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:38 pmnbc = nothing but cowards
October 27th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI am sure there are plenty of other networks that will run the ad.
For Mr. JJ Commoner:
I think that you’ll find that both Liberals and Conservative think we are heading towards that fascist state, due to either the restriction or the lack of. Libertarians believe we are already there.
When you want to point fingers…don’t forget to include NOW, MoveOn, the universities, the Catholics, the Jewish, and don’t forget to blame our parents too.
sheesh.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:41 pmRoger x2
As usual thank you for my daily dose of laughter on the account of your miopic viewpoint.
When a corporation like NBC sends an army of lawyers to the courthouse to pursuade the judge to allow TV cameras into the court room because the press has the right to broadcast trial under the First Amendment, it cannot then turn around and deny that same right to an advertiser.
More importantly, NBC’s actions help to prove that we no longer live in the democratically elected republic envisioned by Hamilton, Jefferson and the rest of the founding fathers.
In fact, Ben Frankilin’s warning has come to pass; We had a republic as long as we kept it. Now we have a fascist state like Nazi Germany. I hope
I just hope your brown shirt is startched and pressed, your jackboots polished to a high gloss shine so when the call comes, you can run out like a the littel Nazi that you are and betray your inheritance from the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and the United States of America.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:42 pmLove them chicks. Of course GE-owned NBC blew it. But let’s get over expecting old media to report what matters. More importantly, let’s always use such media mis-steps to our advantage. NBC’s bungling here (like ABC’s recent 9/11 doculamess) will do more to promote this documentary than a few ads on TV shows that fewer and fewer of us are watching. Progressive jui jitsu is what it’s all about, using our opponents’ weight against them. And hats off the the Dixie Chickes for creating music and now film that spread their message far more powerfully than the dying media dinosaurs do.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:42 pmThis point has been made a million times, but it bears repeating. A “liberal media” would not refuse to air a Dixie Chicks ad.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:42 pm2xRoger,
Since you do not seem eager to contemplate the reality before your own eyes, I’ll attempt to clarify for you.
What NBC’s position represents is not them exercising their “right to free speechâ€. First off, they are a steward of the broadcast airwaves and cable bandwidth that they transmit over, not the owners of it. That concept alone requires some substantial thought and understanding. Take the time to do so.
Secondly, their reasoning for not accepting the ad is censorship. Now, if the ad contained nudity, then they would be only abiding by law. If the ad was deceptive and meant to criminally harm NBC’s viewers, then they would have a moral leg to stand on. However, the reason that they are not allowing the ad to run is that it could cause people to have bad thoughts about mr. george w bush.
Understand that in its entirety. NBC is censoring information not because it is false, not because it is misleading, and not because it is obscene. No, NBC will not run it because it may cause you to have unpleasant thoughts about your president, whether they are justified or not.
If you do not see how this is an offense to every free thinker in the world then you are neither free nor a thinker. The next steps on this path to hell that NBC is leading you on involve thought police and ministries of accepted practices and the sorts. If it is your choice to follow NBC on this path, then I hope that you enjoy the journey because I can assure you that you will not enjoy the destination. But don’t expect company on your path and it is the action of a petulant child to criticize others for not being willing to make the same mistake as you. Good luck to you on that.
May peace be with us all.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:44 pm#40,
But they decided to not air this peice as a business move. Many are very offended by these girls and would look down on NBC if they supported them. They simply decided that they would do better business by avioding them. They certainly could be wrong, but this is one of many tough business decisions they make everyday. Maybe enough of you will be upset by NBC that it will backfire and they will lose some shareholder value. It is the only thing that matters afterall.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:44 pmJust another reason why NBC is at the bottom of the rating scale.
Nobody wants to watch their network.
Keep it up NBC and you will no longer be in business.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI think the remarks by Gov. Bush (I refuse to call him a president as there is a serious lack of credibility as to his really winning the elections) are so typical of the ignorance he displays, Regardles of what the “Dixie Chicks” said it is there right to express an opinion. In reality is there really any difference in what she said in what a lot Americans feel. In his crusades Bush has misled this country into a quagmire best likened to Vietnam.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:47 pmA threat is made and it should be treated as such, if someone threatened his family belive me the secret service would be all over it. Look at the recent articles where a 14 year old child and some friends had a website with references to Bush and the visit the little girl got her school from two secret service agents. There is a big difference between what was said to the Dixie Chicks as to their safety and security and the incredibily ignorant statement from the Governor (President) Bush.
But then think again a law is rushed through congress to deny the right of due process to ‘terrorists” detain them on whim and deny the right to face their accusers. its a shame that he views himself as “royalty” (his remarks as to wishing for America to be a dictatorship) and envisions his family as royals. His remarks and actions only show the arrogance of a bought and paid for politican, paid for by the Saudis and their objectives. If you expect George W. To care for the safety and security of women and their right to free speech , the look at the City of New Orleans and in the gulf of the thousands of homeless and displaced.
The sad part of all of this is the lip service Mr. Bush and his party gives to the concerns for our safety and security, the protection of our freedoms as not seeing the truth. A point that many of us realize and have seen as the truth disappears into the fallacy of Washington and in particular the words from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Excuse me, Sister, but what in the wide world of sports does NOW or MoveON or any university or religion have to do with NBC refusing to air an ad for a liberal message? This is all about the corporate board of NBC. In fact everything about our mainstream media is related to their corporate boards. They’re the BOSSES.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:47 pmDumb Chiks
No one gets it do they? It’s not that they came out against the war and Bush. It’s because they had the ‘courage’ to spit on their country in a foreign land. Have the damn honesty to do that in front of a home crowd.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:49 pmRoger, irrespective of your lame excuses for the board of NBC, would you say this decision by them represents a conservative or a liberal mindset? Would you call these network bosses liberal or conservative?
October 27th, 2006 at 12:49 pmOnce again jkyjelly confuses the country with the president.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:51 pmMany are very offended by these girls and would look down on NBC if they supported them
many more americans are offended that a founding and basic constitutional concept, being freedom of speech, is not being upheld on publicly licensed american airwaves.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:54 pmRUCerious…
your moniker befits your attitude!
my point - they did their ‘dis-ing’ in front of a warmly receptive European crowd. shows lack of courage.
October 27th, 2006 at 12:57 pmThey (MSNBC) can play that disgusting Repub Ford clip ad nauseum, but they can’t play this??????
October 27th, 2006 at 12:57 pmJKelly worships authority. In revolutionary times, she would be a Tory. She doesn’t understand that in the United States, we do not worship a leader, we adhere to a process. When one is inducted into the armed forces, they do not take an oath to support the leader, they take an oath to support the constitution. And criticism of our government or leaders when we think they’re wrong, according to the founders of our country, is a duty to all patriotic Americans. JKelly, just wise up!
October 27th, 2006 at 1:00 pmjkelly: “shows lack of courage”
It’s hard to get someone who worships authority to understand something like this, but criticizing those in power is an act of courage. To sit there and stare off into space as your leaders shit all over the country - that shows a lack of courage.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:02 pmBluedog49
It relates to the issue of “Collusion”. If my quoted poster is going to discuss who is colluding with our governent…it needs to be addressed that the networks aren’t the only arena being courted to service political agendas.
Corporate Boards are everywhere…not just in the mainstream media, JJ Commoner is making broad sweeping gestures regarding the state of our governance….and I was stating that he (or she, I suppose) needs to be all inclusive when making such statements.
God, I hope that was clear enough.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:02 pmTP readers will appreciate that there are plenty of things TP doesn’t want us to see, such as the pornographic excerpts from Jim Webb’s novels. Hey, Judd, why don’t you publish that “touching” expression of a father’s “love” for his son, in Lost Soldiers (2001). I’m sure it’s a real favorite with Barney Frank and Gerry Studds.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:03 pmCome Nov 8th, I hope none of this matters. If there is a real beginning of a regime change, leave it to the investigations.
Worse administration ever and it will always be labeled as such in history.
Bring it on……
October 27th, 2006 at 1:07 pmjkelly,
Ever go to a concert? Know anything about them? Bands tour all across the world, ever think they we’re in their European leg of the tour when all this went down. It’s not like they flew over there, and set up special concert just to speak their mind.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:07 pmjkelly,
The incident of which you speak, with an astounding lack of eloquence by the way, occurred where it did because of the timing, not because of location choice. The venue that the band was at is as irrelevant as your nonsensical ramblings.
Next you will criticize people for speaking in different states, or counties, or even to different races. Your argument is as shallow, it seems, as your understanding of speech itself.
If you want to call the Dixie Chicks cowards, then do so to their face and do so publicly. Otherwise, the only coward in the situation is you.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:07 pmBreaking News: blogactive.com outed Ken Mehlman as a closeted hypocrite Gay guy a short while ago > they found out he had a male lover in law school who he still sees occasionally > GOP party is run by a freaky guy who denigrates Gays, but is secretly homosexual himself!
October 27th, 2006 at 1:08 pmCareful, Citizen Dad, you obviously (and typically) don’t realize you’re on shaky ground here. Lynn Cheney has written a book about a steamy lesbian love affair on the prarie. Among Bill O’Rielly’s writings is this nugget: “OK Baby, put down that pipe and get my pipe up.”
Stone thower, meet glass house.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:10 pmwhile these girls have always kept consistent message, using their american right to criticize bush, across the earth - the republican administration has changed the story for invading Iraq how many times?
wow, that takes a lot of courage for this republican administration to lie to the american public for the last six years.
almost as good as Hastert’s lies to coverup all that republican underage child molestation.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:11 pmOf course, Bluedog, you make a common mistake that many liberal thinkers make. When someone disagrees with your position on something, you assume that person is in the opposite camp. Very common misconception. I hardly worship authority. If you care to know, my basic belief = big government bad. OK? I’m not saying DChiks can’t say whatever is on their minds (however small they might be) on say it where ever they like As a matter of fact, I don’t give a damn if their commercial is aired on ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX or any damn station. Fact is, I gave watching TV awhile ago.
My POINT — to repeat to the point of repetition — is that they should have shown some courage and said what they said in front of an AMERICAN crowd. They didn’t - they did what they did in front of a warmly, receptive EUROPEAN crowd.
Why are having this discussion??? They’re singers and from what I’ve heard from their mouths, hardly intellectuals.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:11 pmI have been working with a company which develops and produces television programming. This is no fly-by-night operation; the head is a well-known member of the Television Academy. She and I had a discussion about a specific project a month or so ago. She relayed some information that was quite interesting. I paraphrase:
“There’s a real climate of fear here. The networks only want something safe. It seems they’re afraid of how politicians will regard their programming.”
I see GE (NBC’s) refusal as evidence of that climate of fear.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:11 pmJust remember “GE brings good things to life”. Things like nuclear detonators, fighter jet engines and other tasteful delights to fuel the Bush “stay the course” policy. And now GE”s latest “good thing” is apparently censorship at its NBC unit designed not to offend the overmaster but to endlessly please him.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:15 pmUh- anyone here smelling a publicity stunt?
The ad airs on Fox but supposedly not on NBC or the CW (which has already denied the charge.)
October 27th, 2006 at 1:17 pm#3 - Mussolini said fascism is corporations executing state policy.
Is it just me, or does it feel a little Third Reich-y thse past 6 years?
Mussolini would know what he was talking about! Indeed, fascism is corporations executing state policy.
Welcome to the Rise of the Fourth Reich!
October 27th, 2006 at 1:17 pmjkelly,
Here’s what you don’t understand - Nobody needs your approval or agreement to say anything. Welcome to “free speechâ€.
The Dixie Chicks said what they said and did so publicly and openly. You are slandering them from the shadows and you cannot even see how that not only immediately discredits you, but also makes you the only coward in this situation.
Now, you’ll have to forgive me because I have to leave to perform some research to see if your statement “My POINT — to repeat to the point of repetition —” is actually the stupidest thing ever uttered like I believe it to be.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:19 pmAs a matter of fact — Bluedog — one big reason I could never be a liberal is because of my inate distrust of big government. And, liberals by and large are great believers of Big Government, Nanny Government, The Government that solves all the problems. I happen to think the simplist thinker in the country makes better decisions than all the apparatus of government put together. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:19 pmAnd, liberals by and large are great believers of Big Government, Nanny Government, The Government that solves all the problems.
Considering the growth of the federal government under Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II, you’ve been had.
Next you’ll be talking about liberal activist judges. Any other bullshit you enjoy swallowing?
Pathetic.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:21 pm.
“And, liberals by and large are great believers of Big Government, Nanny Government, The Government that solves all the problems. I happen to think the simplist thinker in the country makes better decisions than all the apparatus of government put together. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.”
Someone has lost the FACT that the repukes have created a MONSTER government with NO checks and balances. Funny, you do have the simplist (your spelling) thinker in the highest office. HAHAHAHAHA
October 27th, 2006 at 1:23 pmI find it hilarious that NBC won’t air this commerical because ..”they are disparaging to President Bush..” yet this same network airs Sat. Night Live which has been ripping presidents since 1975… You just can’t make this stuff up…
October 27th, 2006 at 1:23 pmMy POINT — to repeat to the point of repetition — is that they should have shown some courage and said what they said in front of an AMERICAN crowd.
Then you missed the point of their speech, which means you have no point. They were addressing a European crowd because of the reception they got there. As for an American audience, their entire new album does that.
The sad thing is that you actually think you can think.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:23 pm.
humanist::::
you said::::: Here’s what you don’t understand - Nobody needs your approval or agreement to say anything. Welcome to “free speechâ€.
I said I don’t give a damn what they say is what I saying. That they do or don’t need my approval was never inferred by my comment.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:24 pmJudd and TP don’t want anyone to see this excerpt from Jim Webb’s Lost Soldiers (2001):
“A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from the little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.”
Artistic license is one thing, but this passage is a literary milestone that any Democratic Senate candidate ought to be proud of, don’t you think? I wonder what Virginia voters will think?
I think Jim Webb should follow Mark Foley’s example and resign honorably, albeit in disgrace.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:24 pmGrand+Moff+Texan —————- Typical Trash Talk from a liberal. Can’t keep it civil.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:26 pmSister: “Corporate Boards are everywhere…not just in the mainstream media..”
Irrelevant. These particular corporate boards, the ones which control all our major networds, are censoring opinion, and in doing so, they are violating the spirit of our agreement with them in which they get free use of our public airwaves.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:26 pmAnd now jkelly changes the subject to civility. Yes, it’s typical liberal talk: I’m right and you’re whining. Come back when you grow a pair, you whiny little bitch.
You’ll blame conservative excesses on liberals because you don’t know any better. You’ll fault the Dixie Chicks because you don’t know what they said.
You’ve been had. Someone’s just using your dumb ass, get it? The only thing that makes you useful is that you spout someone else’s bullshit.
Pathetic.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:30 pm.
jkelly,
No, you’re attempting to tell the Dixie Chicks what they can say and where they can say it. That is the whole basis for your “argument”. It’s quite remarkable that you are so confused about what it is that you are saying.
And just so you know, my research shows that your earlier comment of “My POINT — to repeat to the point of repetition —†ranks in the top 100 of the stupidest things uttered by humans. Congratulations on such a dubious honor.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:31 pmJKelly: “As a matter of fact — Bluedog — one big reason I could never be a liberal is because of my inate distrust of big government. And, liberals by and large are great believers of Big Government, Nanny Government, The Government that solves all the problems. I happen to think the simplist thinker in the country makes better decisions than all the apparatus of government put together. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.”
First, republicans have run congress for 12 years and the executive branch for 6 years and now we have the biggest government in the Nation’s history. Our government is a “nanny” for large corporations, doing their every bidding. Why would congress enact a law which makes it illegal for citizens to get together and bargain for lower drug prices?? Because the government is a “Nanny” for large pharma corporations.
Second, all you’re doing is what many christians do today: glorifying simple-mindedness. What do all those educated people know anyway. Give me a guy who can’t even put a simple sentence together. Since I’m an idiot, I trust an idiot.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:32 pmArtistic license is one thing, but this passage is a literary milestone that any Democratic Senate candidate ought to be proud of, don’t you think? I wonder what Virginia voters will think?
They already know that he saw it in person. That’s why he wrote about it, he saw it happen.
Your talking-points have already expired, dipshit. Go back to Hannity and get some new ones.
I think Jim Webb should follow Mark Foley’s example and resign honorably, albeit in disgrace.
Comment by Citizen+Dad
That would make it easier for Macaca to run on the record he doesn’t have, right? Republicans: transparent, simple, and stupid.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:32 pm.
jkelly,
Ahh the ole switch tactics instead of admitting YOU’RE WRONG. we debunked your “dixie chicks are cowards for saying that on foreign soil” to Liberals love big, nanny governments. 30 trillion or some dollars in DEBT.. ‘You are a fool!
The bush administration has created the largest govt ever. Nanny govt like someone telling you how to live your life when you’re parents aren’t home? Leave the parenting to parents.(but give them help, ie education, health care, day care assistance) Get out of peoples personal lives, ie domestic wire tapping, gay marriage, want to save face on marriage fix the 50% divorce rate.
In the 50’s - 90’s we had communist Russia with nukes, tanks, planes, air force, navy, a nation truly capable of destroying the USA. Why are you so willing to give up freedoms to a few cave dwelling terrorists?? those same freedoms we enjoyed during commie red fear. I don’t even think there’s one Islamic in congress, so they wont regulate Christianity away from you. Why are you so willing to allow all this crap going on now with NSA surveillance, Habeus Corpus for a few terrorists? Because you’re chickensh1t cowards.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:33 pmwhat? Foley put a boy’s penis in his mouth?
well, that explains why the republican administration covered it up for so long.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:33 pmjKelly: “Typical Trash Talk from a liberal. Can’t keep it civil.”
Hey dumbass, talk to the Dixie Chicks about “civil.” They’ll tell you some scary stories about how your conservative friends have reacted to their criticism of their dear leader.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:34 pmYikes:
You said, Someone has lost the FACT that the repukes have created a MONSTER government with NO checks and balances. Funny, you do have the simplist (your spelling) thinker in the highest office. HAHAHAHAHA
Once again, typical. First the putdown and trashtalk. Yea, I misspelled. Why don’t you spell-check everyone’s comments?
Any, you too, make the common liberal thinking mistake - anyone who doesn’t agree with you is put directly in the opposing camp. If you read my posts you see, even though I might not agree with YOU, I’m not agreeing with the republican side. I’ll grant you that Bush has increased government, but do you really believe in your heart of hearts a Democrat administration will downsize.
If you do, the laugh is definately on you.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:35 pmI bot the CD. I’ll see the movie. I unhooked my TV. I gave to opposition candidates in my state. I’m walking my neighborhood.
Habeas is eroded, torture is validated (thanks John McCain) and the Constitution is degraded.
Half a million Iraqis are dead because we invaded. Thirty-five thousand people are held in secret prisons worldwide by us. Our soldiers continue to die for chickenhawks who can’t admit a mistake and can’t formulate a coherent, realistic foreign policy.
bush is still smirking, and still can’t pronounce nuculer.
Self-censorship is the response of the obsequious to rising fascism.
Bless the Dixie Chicks for having the understanding that this is about a lot more than the Dixie Chicks. And the brass ___s to make it a public issue.
Don’t hate the haters. Just beat the sheet out of them at the polls.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:37 pmMakeYaThink……………………….
sigh! Again, you have made the common liberal assumption about those who disagree with you
October 27th, 2006 at 1:37 pmLooks like I need to buy more of their CDs in support just as I did in 2004.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:41 pm“Support our Chicks!”
But, but, but…..
if they ran that ad, then Bush might actually be held accountable for something….
we can’t let that happen, right?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:41 pmsigh! Again, you have made the common liberal assumption about those who disagree with you
No, you’re not a conservative, you just happen to spout their propaganda. You don’t even have the courage of your convictions. Then again, they aren’t your convictions, are they? They’re just what you were fed.
Face it: you’re not up to being an American.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:44 pm.
trolls still trying to make libral a dirty word…DUH….we are the American people…stick your lables on yourself.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:45 pmJkelly,
Ahh but your problem is the bigger govt created by this administration doesn’t do anything to protect, and or serve it’s people. It’s been enlarged to create more war based jobs for cronies, and more contracts for those that support them.
I am tried of my tax dollars, and future dollars going to pay for a war that we just can’t win.
Why is the country so willing to go into debt over death, and not making peoples lives better? That’s what governments are for. Not to made bigger to spy on how many calls someone makes, to where.
And larger we will always need larger governments as our population grows, but a larger govt should be for the good of the people, and the world. Not to get every country hating you.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:45 pmCitizen+Dad,
Please list your qualifications as a literary critic. I am also interested in your level of formal education received in literature studies.
I have to assume that you are qualified in the area of literature because only a moron would offer up the vague criticisms that you do without having a substantial literary argument to back it up.
Now, as far as Mr. Webb’s qualifications for the senate, I would like to know specifically how you feel that his literary skills factor into such. Please be specific and do not provide random quotes lifted from his book. That approach would be both amateurish and silly. I would hope that you would prefer to avoid such childish behavior.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:45 pmhumanist….
please follow….. no …. no…. no… I repeat, no, I’m not trying to tell the Dixie Chicks what they can say or not say. I’m calling them cowards for the way they did it. Comprehende?
by the way… I repeat… I am not saying —– Republicans good/Democrate bad………………………I think I’m saying both suck.
Clear?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:46 pmIt’s over folks, over.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:47 pmNBC is still around? It’s not like they need viewers as long as GE is getting fat Defense contracts.
It’s pretty sad when a President needs this much help and still everyone thinks Airforce One should be a short yellow bus.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:47 pmI think Jim Webb should follow Mark Foley’s example and resign honorably, albeit in disgrace.
Comment by Citizen+Dad
Aw, come on, admit it, you got a little chubby going when you read that part.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:47 pmJKelly: “I’ll grant you that Bush has increased government, but do you really believe in your heart of hearts a Democrat administration will downsize.
If you do, the laugh is definately on you.”
JKelly, do you base your opinions on facts or feelings? If you are fact-based, then you can just go back and look at the last administration run by democrats. During the 8 years of the Clinton administration, the size of government DECREASED and the budget was BALANCED. During the previous 12 years of administrations run by Rebubs, the size of government INCREASED and the budget was sent into a tailspin.
Those are facts, JKelly. Do facts mean anything to you at all?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:48 pmNBC is the so-called “news” division of military contractor General Electric.
And this is a surprising because……?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:48 pmMakeyahthink………..here’s something to think about.
100 years ago, about the only time a person thought or had contact with the federal government is when they went to the post office.
Today its an obsession with most.
Call me crazy then, I think the common man is not only smarter but also better than all the government apparatus put together. I don’t trust big government no matter who’s in charge.
Yea, I know I’m pissing in the wind in this room.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:49 pmUm …
Two things:
1. McCain seemed to love the book.
2. The book was actually written in 1982. At the time Webb was actually a Republican.
3. IT’S A WORK OF FICTION!!!!
Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ … all you righties are really getting desperate, aren’t ya?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThis almost makes me want to go out an buy one of their CDs. The Dixie Chicks showed tremendous courage speaking out against Bush in the country music world (alright, I’d give them more credit if they had made those first controversial comments in this country). Bashing Bush in country music (especially back in ‘03) is like speaking out for racial harmony at a Klan meeting.
Read: “The farce known as America’s immigration debate“
October 27th, 2006 at 1:49 pm#60 I sure Skooter libby’s novel about the have sex with animals or Lynne cheney’s lesbian novel offend you too!! Yeh right hypocrite
October 27th, 2006 at 1:51 pmI just love those gals.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:51 pmLike #27 I too have boycotted NBC, CBS, ABC & CNN. I get my news and what really comes out of the mouths of these do nothing Congress people from the 2 C-Span channels I have. Thank you C-Span!
October 27th, 2006 at 1:51 pm100 years ago, about the only time a person thought or had contact with the federal government is when they went to the post office.
Unless you lived in the western states. The federal government’s power (and lands) were huge and still are.
See? You don’t even know your country.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:52 pm.
jkelly, watch letterman tonite. bor’s on and he’s really funny… go ahead and watch… uless you’re chicken… :)
October 27th, 2006 at 1:52 pmjoe+cantwell —- sorry, can’t watch. pulled the cable out long ago. I recommend it heartily.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:56 pmjkelly,
So, you agree that the Dixie Chicks, just like any free person, can say what they want where they want. Okay, now that’s established.
But, now you call them cowards because of “where†they said something. More importantly, though, you are privately and through a cloak of anonymity calling the Dixie Chicks cowards for making a public statement. The fact that they were in the UK is as irrelevant as the fact that you and I are in different physical locations right now.
The coward here is you. Either confront them in public and directly or accept that designation which you foist upon yourself. It is your right to disagree, but it will never be your right to dismiss them or slander them.
If you cannot see this then you need to re-insert yourself into the education system and focus on your constitution, bill or rights, and the basic premises of freedom.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:58 pmCitizen Dad -
Scooter Libby wrote explicit sexual content about bestiality. (Specifically about adults putting pre-pubescent girls in animal cages to be raped so they’d make better prostitutes.) Webb, unlike Scooter, is an accomplished writer whose work is less driven by revolting fantasy (like Scooter’s), and more reflective of what he has been exposed to through life experience.
While Webb may not have first hand experience with what is described in the paragraph you quote, it doesn’t mean that what is described isn’t taking place every day right here in America.
Don’t try imposing your fear-driven, detached-from-reality, holier-than-thou agenda on the rest of us. Republicans are widely recognized as being unable to handle the truth. And incapable of living within the confines of the moral codes they seek to legislate to all.
October 27th, 2006 at 1:59 pmYou don’t like the sound of the truth
Coming from my mouth
You say that I lack the proof
Well baby that might be so
I might get to the end of my life
Find out everyone was lying
I don’t think that I’m afraid anymore;
Say that I would rather
die trying
— Truth No. 2, written by Patti Griffin, beautifully executed by the Dixie Chicks
What is more American than those sentiments?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:59 pmEvidently JKelly is not moved by facts. Is anyone here surprised?
October 27th, 2006 at 1:59 pmTwo things:
1. McCain seemed to love the book.
2. The book was actually written in 1982. At the time Webb was actually a Republican.
3. IT’S A WORK OF FICTION!!!!
Exactly which two did you mean?
October 27th, 2006 at 2:00 pmPuh-lease! If you’re a supporter of these “gals” then you need to wake up! They are COWARDS who didn’t have the “balls” to speak up in their own country and then apologized for their anti-Bush comments when it hurt record sales.
http://edition.cnn.com/ 2003/ SHOWBIZ/ Music/ 03/ 14/ dixie.chicks.apology/ index.html
This little pro-free speech stunt of theirs is nothing more than a marketing campagin for their newest cd and movie. And you say the right-wing drinks kool-aid? Shit like this makes me embarassed to be a liberal.
V.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:03 pmbush can’t take a little ad like this? we have much deeper problems if that’s the case.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI Sent this to Keith Olbermann
Let’s hope he says something. It is his home station…
And they are the home base CIA Military Industrial TV station
BUT their ratings are in the tank and there is massive layoffs at NBC
WONDER WHY!!!!
October 27th, 2006 at 2:03 pmDad: “Exactly which two did you mean?”
Dad has no response. Dad’s trying to be funny. Dad’s not funny.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:06 pmCitizen+Dad,
Please list your qualifications as a literary critic. I am also interested in your level of formal education received in literature studies.
Since you asked, my B.A. is in English, I studied American Literature both here and abroad, and I’ve read most of the well-known American fiction authors from Ben Franklin to Stephen King. Plus, like you, I am a political junkie. I think I’m qualified enough to suggest that Jim Webb’s pornographic instincts are - ahem - incompatible with his political ambitions, especially after the Dems (and the TP fever swamp) made such a big deal about Mark Foley.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:07 pmthe right is affraid of little ‘ole southern girls ahahaahahahahahaa
October 27th, 2006 at 2:08 pmhumanist:::
So, you agree that the Dixie Chicks, just like any free person, can say what they want where they want. Okay, now that’s established.
well, finally!
More importantly, though, you are privately and through a cloak of anonymity calling the Dixie Chicks cowards for making a public statement.
well, humanist, if I do happen to see them, I’ll surely will tell ‘em. No problem.
It is your right to disagree, but it will never be your right to dismiss them or slander them.
Of course it’s my right to dismiss them. Why not? I can choose to dismiss anyone I wish. OR is there a law against dismissing someone???? As to slander??? Where did I slander them?????
and thank you Virion. My point exactly. A point that is lost on most here.
Another point is the dixie chicks are just a dumb band.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:14 pmDad: “I’ve read most of the well-known American fiction authors from Ben Franklin to Stephen King.”
Well then, that just about covers the gamut! And, you needed a BA in English to tackle these challenging authors… hmmmm.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:15 pmVirion,
The Dixie Chicks are an american band of musicians. They are not “gals”, bigot.
You call the Dixie Chicks “cowards” for not speaking out in their own country. That’s funny. Where do you think this movie is going to be playing? Seems the “coward” here and the one lacking the “balls” is you.
And since your position is one that is so outside of “liberal” (or intelligent for that matter), you should be “embarrassed” for calling yourself a liberal. But you should be more embarrassed that you would actually attempt to pull off this deception.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:15 pmThe right wing fascists in this country claim to be on the side of freedom, but in reality they only believe in freedom for those who agree with them. Bush has made that clear with his “you are either with us or against us” mantra. Yes, the Dixie Chicks are victims of American fascism because it is the corporate controlled and consolodated media that is trying to silence them.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:16 pmI have decided to personally give the “Stepford Kool-Aid Drinkers” 4 choices when they make ridiculous right wing comments in front of me. I would hope everyone here would follow my lead. Those choices are: 1)Debate me on the issues and make an ass of yourself when you find that hollow “talking points” have nothing to do with reality. 2)Get into a physical altercation with me and find out the hard way that not being “with” the Republinazis does not make you a p@ssy. 3)If you whole heartedly believe all the propaganda and think you can beat me one-on-one with the first two choices then you should really consider enlisting in the armed services because they really need easily programmable, totally loyal, angry people who are ready for a fight. (I might add my little brother is serving in the Marines in Iraq and I will be glad to give you his recruiter’s phone number). The final choice: 4)Educate yourself on the issues, agree to disagree, and help us turn this country around. I can guarantee them the fourth choice is the only one they can’t loose with! Those on the right prefer to silence any opposition instead of debating the issues. That is why they avoid talking about policy and go directly to personal attacks. We all need to “NOT shut up, and sing the songs from our hearts and minds!”
Odd, wasn’t it anti-Vietnam lyrics that made people like Bob Dylan and John Lennon even more popular?
October 27th, 2006 at 2:16 pmForget about a photoshopped Al Franken in diapers. I think the network heads of NBC should stock up on their supply of Huggies. TeeeHEEEE
October 27th, 2006 at 2:16 pmDon’t expect the dull witted JKelly to stop cowering before its master.
Please all — don’t forget to vote. the repugnicans aren’t out of dirty tricks yet. they may yet get thier wingnuts engorged.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:17 pmCome you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin’
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it’s your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
http://orad.dent.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dylan/mastwar.html
October 27th, 2006 at 2:18 pm“Puh-lease! If you’re a supporter of these “gals†then you need to wake up! They are COWARDS who didn’t have the “balls†to speak up in their own country and then apologized for their anti-Bush comments when it hurt record sales. Comment by Virionâ€
Actually she said she apologized for the comment because the office of the President deserves respect. Then later she recanted and said that this president deserves no respect. And they all have made comments in this country about their feelings on this president and administration.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:18 pmI’m going to the Dixie Chicks’ concert in Los Angeles on Nov. 24 - and I’ll happily applaud anything disparaging they choose to say about our Chimp-in-Chief.
“Liberal media” my ass.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:20 pmCitizen+Dad,
Excellent. So now you can explain to me how that particular quote that you provided was both obligatory and outside of the fabric of the story line. Beings the literary expert that you portray yourself as being you would then know that both these qualifications would need to be met in order for the “pornographic” label to be applied.
I await your considered and specific response. Unless, of course, you are the farce that I suspect you to be.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:20 pmAnother point is the dixie chicks are just a dumb band.
Comment by jkelly — October 27, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
You have a serious problem understanding that your opinion is NOT a fact.
Musical taste is SUBJECTIVE. Just like all forms of art. To say that one style is or isn’t good is simply a matter of taste - not fact.
Sheesh…
October 27th, 2006 at 2:21 pmOkay … so I can’t count. There’s a reason I have two English degrees.
:-)
Other than pointing out the fact that I had to double check a fact (when the book was written) and then forgot to change the #, do you care to refute any of the THREE points I made?
October 27th, 2006 at 2:23 pmTrue colors are coming out. Shut up and Vote - retreating to common practice of name calling when you don’t have anything to talk about. you’ve obviously haven’t read my posts.
humanist: interesting, you seem to correlate liberal to intelligence. Another common liberal misconception. Of course, the other side is stupid, but damn, how can that be? They’re so cunning. It’s a paradox.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:23 pmActually they only apologized about the DISRESPECTFUL nature of the comment.
They never said their COMMENT WAS WRONG.
Wow, if that isn’t spin I don’t know what is. Blind is what you are my friend. Now run and go out and buy the cd and see the movie. Good little consumer!
Everyone knew this - on BOTH SIDES.
Which is why they didn’t win back the CRAZY CHRISTIANS like yourself!!!
ROTFL!!
“This little pro-free speech stunt of theirs is nothing more than a marketing campagin for their newest cd and movie. And you say the right-wing drinks kool-aid? Shit like this makes me embarassed to be a liberal. V. Comment by Virionâ€
Well it’s a GOOD THINK you AREN’T ONE!!!
And it’s HILARIOUS for you to PRETEND like you ARE!!
ROTFL!!!
CRAZY CHRISTIAN!?!??! Now I’m ROTFL. I’m an evolutionary biolgist and a proud ATHEIST here! Let me say that again. PROUD ATHEIST HERE. I was also one of the individuals who fought hard against the Huffington Post’s recent censorship of Richard Dawkins. Please feel free to go scour the posts.
But that’s beside the point, as it once again exemplifies the problem with troglydictic carbon blobs like yourself who are incapable of dealing with the crux of an argument and resort to ad hominems. It’s amazing to me how the far-left and the far-right have so much in common. Oh wait, it’s cause you’re all Americans. Clueless retards!
October 27th, 2006 at 2:23 pmTake me up on my 4 choices jkelly! I have the recruiter’s number handy. The Dixie Chicks are a great band, if you like that sort of music, if you don’t that is your opinion. To simply dislike any artist based on their political beliefs is your loss, not theirs.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:24 pmActually, he was picking on me, and I did find it funny. Hell, I would’ve done the same thing. :-)
Oh, and it should be noted that I have a BA in Literature, another in Creative Writing, and work was a professional writer. So I’ll take any comments he has about a work of fiction with a grain of salt the size of Ohio unless he has similar credentials.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:26 pmunbelievable…. i made no mention of their music…….I don’t think my opinion is fact, never said that…… (if I did, you can show it) ……….. opinions are like assholes, everyones got one………my opinion of the women in the dixie chicks — from listening to them — is that their not too bright….
man o’ man — please read the posts you wish to comment back on.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:26 pmemailed the news team at imdb.com - they have a much watched news site - this needs to be posted everywhere - hopefully the Daily Show will pick up on it too :)
October 27th, 2006 at 2:26 pmThey said something to the affect that they were ashamed Bush came from Texas. Five years later 70% of Americans are ashamed he is the President. So they were right and should be celebrated for being truthful and excersing their first amendment rights.
Of course corporate America is going to trash them, after all Bush and the GOP are just corporate interest puppets. They fund their elections and then get the legislation they want. And the corporation control the media which controls what people think. And in school we learn a very sugar coated version of history.
The vast majority of Americans are sheep. Little consumer and worker drones.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:28 pmjkelly,
I made no such claim that intelligence is limited to social or political leanings. I’m sorry for you that your comprehension skills, or lack thereof, cause you to make nonsensical connections.
Fortunately I am completely comfortable speaking for myself so I do not require your assistance in speaking for me. Also, I must say, you are most definitely not qualified to do so.
Good luck to you.
Peace.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:29 pmCitizen Dad–
I have no idea why it took so long to get published. Maybe he didn’t try, maybe the book sucks (pun acknowledged, not intended), maybe he has a slow editor.
But the fact remains that the book is fiction. Whether or not the act is truthful or he saw it or if it’s some amazingly gross custom in Cambodia, is irrelevant.
It appears in a work of fiction and, thus, is irrelevant in the context of an election.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThe Dixie Chicks are an american band of musicians. They are not “galsâ€, bigot.
You call the Dixie Chicks “cowards†for not speaking out in their own country. That’s funny. Where do you think this movie is going to be playing? Seems the “coward†here and the one lacking the “balls†is you.
And since your position is one that is so outside of “liberal†(or intelligent for that matter), you should be “embarrassed†for calling yourself a liberal. But you should be more embarrassed that you would actually attempt to pull off this deception.
Peace.
WOW! Personal attacks galore. Thanks for making my case for me. The only ones deceiving themselves are you guys. Right wing, meet the left wing. Like staring in a damn mirror ain’t it?
V.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:31 pm1. jkelly is a troll, ignore it
October 27th, 2006 at 2:31 pm2. The subject matter of this little chat confirms the Gil Scott-Heron line, that became the title of the Joe Trippi book, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised!
3. The last greatest arena of free speech and thought, the last soap box on the square is, of course, the internet. Do all you can do to protect internet neutrality. The corporations hunger mightily to control it. Between now and November 7th the battle rages across this country. Folks, it’s now or ?
humanist: interesting, you seem to correlate liberal to intelligence. Another common liberal misconception.
Comment by jkelly — October 27, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Of which you post no facts, just your opinion.
The reality is that most people with no education and most people with higher secondary education consider themselves liberal. This means most people without a high school diploma vote Democrat, while most people with a Matser’s degree and.or a PhD also vote Democrat.
Those without a high school education tend to be liberal because they KNOW what it’s like to be disadvantaged, hungry, oppressed, etc. And those who are highly educated can SEE what it’s like to be disadvantaged, hungry, oppressed, etc.
This is not my opinion, because it is backed up by FACTS and not opinions.
http://www.cnn.com/ ELECTION/ 2004/ pages/ results/ states/ US/ P/ 00/ epolls.0.html
October 27th, 2006 at 2:31 pmJohn+In+Missouri
Sorry, didn’t catch your 4 choice thing.
I don’t dislike an artist for their political views. I sometimes find it tough to care for an artist who is a fool or worse in public.
For example, I don’t watch Roman Polanski films.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:31 pm