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VIDEO: Lynne Cheney Unhinged On CNN

By Think Progress on Oct 27th, 2006 at 6:32 pm

VIDEO: Lynne Cheney Unhinged On CNN

Lynne Cheney repeatedly attacked CNN for having a liberal bias during a fiery and combative appearance today on the Situation Room.

Cheney said a CNN special that aired yesterday was a “terrible distortion of both the president and the vice president’s position on many issues,” in part because CNN used the phrase “domestic surveillance” to describe the so-called “Terrorist Surveillance Program.” When Wolf Blitzer pointed out that some individuals have been arrested and interrogated despite having no ties to terrorism, Cheney warned, “I think that you might be a little careful” declaring someone has “clean hands.”

Later, Cheney criticized Virginia Senate candidate Jim Webb for including sexually explicit material in his novels. Asked whether her own novel Sisters had “lesbian characters,” Cheney said, “no, not necessarily. This description is a lie. I’ll stand on that.” In fact, her novel did contain multiple scenes describing a lesbian love affair.

Repeatedly, Cheney asked Wolf Blitzer to end his line of questioning and about her new children’s book.

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CHENEY: You know, I understand your point. It’s kind of the point of a lot of people right now, to try to distort the administration’s position, and if you really want to talk about that, I watched the program on CNN last night, which I though — it’s your 2006 voter program, which I thought was a terrible distortion of both the president and the vice president’s position on many issues. It seemed almost straight out of Democratic talking points using phrasing like “domestic surveillance.”

[...]

CHENEY: You know, I think that you might be a little careful before you declare this as a person with clean hands.

BLITZER: You’re referring to the CNN “BROKEN GOVERNMENT” special.

CHENEY: I certainly am.

BLITZER: This was the one that John King reported on last night.

CHENEY: Well, you know, right there, Wolf, “BROKEN GOVERNMENT.” Now, what kind of stance is that? Here we are. We’re a country where we have been mightily challenged over the past six years. We’ve been through 9/11. We’ve been through Katrina. The president and the vice president inherited a recession. We’re a country where the economy is healthy. That’s not broken. This government has acted very well.

[...]

CHENEY: Well, all right, Wolf. I’m here to talk about my book, but if you want to talk about distortion…

BLITZER: We’ll talk about your book.

CHENEY: Well, right, but what is CNN doing running terrorist tapes of terrorists shooting Americans? I mean, I saw Duncan Hunter ask you a very good question and you didn’t answer it. Do you want us to win?

BLITZER: The answer is, of course, we want the United States to win. We are Americans. There’s no doubt about that. Do you think we want terrorists to win?

CHENEY: Then why are you running terrorist propaganda?

BLITZER: With all due respect — with all due respect, this is not terrorist propaganda.

CHENEY: Oh, Wolf.

BLITZER: This is reporting the news.

[...]

CHENEY: Now, do you promise, Wolf, that we’re going to talk about my book?

BLITZER: I do promise.

CHENEY: Because this seems to be a mighty long trip around the merry-go-round.

BLITZER: I want you to — this was in the news today and your name has come up, so that’s why we’re talking about it.

[...]

BLITZER: Here’s what the Democratic Party put out today, the Democratic Congressional — Senatorial Campaign Committee: “Lynne Cheney’s book featured brothels and attempted rape. In 1981, Vice

President Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne, wrote a book called “Sisters”, which featured a lesbian love affair, brothels and attempted rapes.”

CHENEY: No.

BLITZER: “In 1988, Lynn Cheney wrote about a Republican vice president who dies of a heart attack while having sex with his mistress.” Is that true?

CHENEY: Nothing explicit. And actually, that was full of lies. It’s not — it’s just — it’s absolutely not a…

BLITZER: Did you write a book entitled “Sisters”?

CHENEY: I did write a book entitled “Sisters.”

BLITZER: It did have lesbian characters.

CHENEY: This — no, not necessarily. This description is a lie. I’ll stand on that.

BLITZER: There’s nothing in there about rape and brothels?

CHENEY: Well, Wolf, could we talk about a children’s book for a minute?

BLITZER: We can talk about the children’s book. I just wanted to…

CHENEY: I think my segment is, like, 15 minutes long and we’ve had about 10 minutes of…

BLITZER: I just wanted to — I just wanted to clarify what’s in the news today, given — this is…

CHENEY: Sex, lies and distortion.



415 Responses to “VIDEO: Lynne Cheney Unhinged On CNN”

  1. chimpeach says:

    She’s a BAD WOMAN!


  2. Pete_Bogs says:

    man, what a beyotch! now wonder Cheney has that strained expression on his face all the time…


  3. chris says:

    PROTEST IDEA FOR WASHINGTON DC!!!

    YOU WILL GET ON TV IF YOU DO THIS!!

    Anyone located in DC who wants to perform a protest act that will help the Dem agenda, target the ridiculous excusation of torture from the Cheney, and get themselves on TV….here’s a great idea:

    Go to a central location like the Whitehouse or Congress. You will need an assistant dressed as an Iraqi prisoner, you need a large 50 gallon bucket, a wooden box, a 8in wide plank of wood from Home Depot…..

    Here is the idea: Simulate a waterboarding torture! Tie up your prisoner, put him on the board, rest the board (securely) on the wooden box, and dunk him into the water up to his head. When you prisoner comes out of the water, have him screaming for mercy!

    If i lived there, i would be doing this by tomorrow!

    We need to re-inact what this looks like for the world to see….good Americans need to see to believe that this is inhumane. IT IS NOT AMERICAN to be this evil. Yes, being the good guy makes you vulnerable, but in the great words….

    “American will cease to be Great, when it ceases to be Good.”


  4. TerrytheTurtle says:

    Sex, lies and distortion

    Was that the name of her children’s book?


  5. tom+baker says:

    Gotta hand it to her – times are tough for Daddy, so she’s out on the red-herring wagon, slingin’em as hard and far as she can (I’ll stay away from any “fishy” puns pertaining to her literary achievements)


  6. j+swift says:

    I envision John Stewart waving a copy of the First Joker’s book and reading select passages. All to the delight of the audience.


  7. Sharon Cox says:

    Yep, I watched it to……My comment is, good thing these miserable people are married to each other so two other’s won’t be as sick and evil along with them…Now I truly know what kind of person would be married to mr. evil in charge, mrs. just as evil……..Blessings


  8. left+in+a+right+world says:

    After watching this video, I have to ask? Who wears the pants in the Cheney household. She is one strong person, and the meanness inside just oozes out in her tone.

    I’ll tell you. Lynn Cheney showed that there is a good chance that Dick is Lynn’s King George.


  9. GG says:

    Look at dem Bug Eyes. I wonder how many types of Meds she’s on?


  10. Anon1 says:

    She needs to be on every station!!! She does more for the progressive movement than any Democrat!!! The most unlikeable, shrill, emotional woman today. Ann Coulter is a nun compared to her!


  11. tooohviiiiiw says:

    wolf drilled her and then slapped her in the face with it…

    more please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  12. Larry+from+C says:

    …in part because CNN used the phrase “domestic surveillance” to describe the so-called “Terrorist Surveillance Program.”

    I call it what it truly is...Illegal Warrantless Secret Wiretap Program


  13. USA says:

    What is this idea Talking Points that I always here from the conservatives? Could someone bother to explain it to me, I don’t get it.

    “domestic surveillance”, and the whole issue she has with this phrase. That is exact explanation of what it is! To call a “Terrorist Surveillance Program” would actually be less accurate, unless you think the american people are terrorists?

    She is accusing CNN of using propaganda when SHE is the one who needs to use propaganda!


  14. jim says:

    Some’s off their meds.

    wow.


  15. Sue says:

    Children’s book?
    “The Three little GOPigs”
    I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll blow your bunker down


  16. Republicans are the fear and smear party says:

    “You see, Wolf, I’m a Republican so the smut that I write is patriotic, god-fearing smut.”


  17. katy says:

    oooooooo! … i know that look (the screen saved one)…
    that’s the one your mom gives you when she’s at her last nerve!
    been there, seen it, done it! … badly chosen battle, lynnie…
    .


  18. bye bye GOP says:

    #8 I agree with you there. If she wasn’t the one wearing the pants he’d have kept her on a tight leash. I’ve seen Pit Bulls with more charm then she has.


  19. Larry+from+C says:

    This lady is freakin nuts. But then you’d have to be to live with someone as dark as “Five Deferrment” Dick.

    Just from this short interview you can easily see that this lady is a psychological mess. She actually wrote a book about a Repub. Vice Pres. dying of a heart attack with his mistress? Was this a deep seated wish of hers? Holy crap.

    Then she asks Wolf if he wants “Us” to win. If I was Wolf I’d of asked her who “Us” is? The fascist neo-cons trying to destroy our country?


  20. TV addict says:

    Hmmm…….”Unhinged”…….tirades and meltdowns by reichwingers……………kinda like MTV’s” Unplugged”……I’d watch


  21. unbelievable says:

    Wolf has been impressive lately. Over the last month, I’d say. He’s acting like a journalist and asking hard questions of everyone on his show – regardless of party affliation. You can see that Lynne isn’t used to being called out. How funny.



  22. SpudgeBoy says:

    Evil man, evil wife. Plain and simple. They are both lunatics.

    And with hetero parents like that, no wonder their daughter is gay.


  23. NoMoreRepublicanTrash says:

    Let’s all feel really sorry for Lynne. It’s hard watching your life go down the toilet. She used to be on top of the world, and now she’s just the pitiful wife of a Republican who is going to be impeached, and then tried for treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity, among so many other things. Instead of going on television and foaming at the mouth, shouldn’t she instead be getting fitted for the wardrobe she’ll be wearing at her husband’s trial?


  24. Bluedog49 says:

    Hey Jimmie, last time I checked, Santorum is running about 20 points behind in the polls.


  25. Jim Wolf says:

    Wow,…..She really has a major problem with reality. She really picked the wrong fight with Blitzer. Was she trying to one-up Clinton? She did badly if that was the case. The diference between Princess Cheney and Pres. Clinton is that Clinton knew what he was talking about and did. Princess Cheney had no clue.


  26. KRank says:

    BLITZER: It did have lesbian characters.

    CHENEY: This — no, not necessarily. This description is a lie. I’ll stand on that.

    Jesus Christ, it’s FICTION. Own your frickin’ work and have some integrity. What the f**k is this, “not necessarily”? What does that mean? What does it matter if your novel has lesbian characters? What a goddamn coward this woman is.

    When a writer sets out to tell a story, he or she is at the service of the story, not a friggin’ political agenda. Unless the story is propaganda, in which case the writer is a hack.


  27. Republicans are the fear and smear party says:

    I can just hear Mary Cheney’s reaction. “I looked at Wolf Blitzer and I thought, ‘You son of a bitch!’”

    Ya gotta love the Cheney’s family values.


  28. trueblue says:

    “I think you might be a little careful…”

    Did that phrase send a shiver down anyone else’s spine?


  29. El+Tonno says:

    LOVE her!

    Stories about brothels and attempted rape are THE R0XX0R!

    But ‘economy is healthy’!?!? The Economist does not think this to be an established fact: http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8079134


  30. Mark Patten says:

    This is an calculated attempt to duplicate Clinton’s slapdown of Chris Wallace. But it is not equivalent at all. The difference is that while Clinton was clearly steamed, he still answered Wallace’s comments directly. He utlimately admits fault for his failure to stop the terrorists, but points out (vigoriously) why Wallace’s questions are biased, and that Bush’s failures were even greater (demoting Clarke, PDB memo, etc.). Lynne Cheney is simply rude to Blitzer. She continually interrupts him and never directly answers his questions regarding her book plot. She dismisses specific questions with declarations that they are all lies, without being specific about the nature of the supposed lies. And her claims of CNN propaganda are ridiculous in light of her insistance for slogans like “Terrorist Surveillance Program” to describe what is, most accurately, a domestic warrantless wiretapping program.


  31. trueblue says:

    Bluedog49,
    That website is for fun only.

    I think Jimmie knew that when he posted.

    It’s often confused with a real site, but it is really funny.


  32. kelso says:

    How would you like to be married to that? Jesus! She makes Hillary look like the Good Witch of the North.


  33. Gregor Samsa says:

    Mrs. Cheney certainly spins, distorts, and lies like a pro. Take a look:

    We’ve been through Katrina. [...] That’s not broken.

    If the botched response to that natural disaster doesn’t show something is broken in the government, I don’t know what in the world does.

    The president and the vice president inherited a recession.

    That is simply not true. The NBER has stated the recession lasted from March though November 2001.

    Not even The Wall Street Journal can find anyone who will say the recession started before November 2000.

    What this government has done is effective.

    Bin Laden is still on the run, Iraq is a mess, and the Taliban are back. I guess Mrs. Cheney and I have differing opinions on what “effective” means.

    Wolf, I have nothing to explain. Jim Webb has a lot to explain.

    Well, she just won’t answer the question, will she? She keeps deflecting and changing the subject. All trolls use the same tactic here: “Look over there! A Democrat!”


  34. katy says:

    it will be interesting to note any ramification(s) wolfie will suffer for having “the nerve” to ask the mrs.vice any real questions…
    she was really miffed…


  35. colorado jyms says:

    Distortion and Lies!!

    Man do we have these people on the ropes. I bet that she won’t have ANY backlash about being combative. Nothing like the mud that was thrown at Clinton after defending himself on Fox news.

    They are desparate. As Rummy just said, “It’s time to Back off, take a look at it… RElax.”

    Not for a LONG time. We are going to hit you (GOP) until you are down, and then we are going to start kicking. It won’t be considered torture, at least not as defined by YOUR president.


  36. theswan says:

    Her husband surely doesn’thave clean hands. There is so much blood the mud gets lost.
    What does she know of clean hands. Her south of the border gardener has the clean hands, not her, she sleeps with dicky.


  37. Gregor Samsa says:

    This: I’m here to talk about my book

    Followed by this: Well, right, but what is CNN doing running terrorist tapes of terrorists shooting Americans? [...] Do you want us to win?

    Followed by this: Now, do you promise, Wolf, that we’re going to talk about my book?

    Well, with all due respect Mrs Cheney, if you learnt to focus and stayed on topic, you wouldn’t need to complain about Blitzer not asking about your bloody book, when you keep changing the subject.

    What a passive-aggressive person this woman is.


  38. Fools+in+the+GOP says:

    I can’t follow Lynn’s thinking here. Her and Scooter writing explicit sexual passages in novels is okay. Her husband waterboarding people is okay. But Jim Webb has alot of explaining to do for having a few sexually explicit passages in his novel.

    Well she seems alot like her husband. A big fat lying hypocrite.


  39. null says:

    - I thought Lon Cheney was dead.-


  40. katy says:

    Not for a LONG time. We are going to hit you (GOP)…
    Comment by colorado jyms — October 27, 2006 @ 7:12 pm

    oh no… please don’t… please don’t talk like that… please… ugh…
    and besides, gloating has a habit of biting you in the ass…
    there’s too much at stake here – it ain’t over yet…
    know what i mean? … just sayin’…


  41. rich bitch says:

    I wish Wolf had asked her how much she’s profitted of the war…I bet she’s made MILLION$.


  42. joe+cantwell says:

    hey, katy have you read “sisters” yet?

    hmmm?


  43. trueblue says:

    White Powder in an envelope discovered in Pres. Clinton’s office

    Sorry. Really OT. Clinton wasn’t there, but it does send a message. Same with Olbermann a couple months ago.

    Gee. I wonder why the threats?
    …………hmmmmmmm……….


  44. trueblue says:

    - I thought Lon Cheney was dead.-

    Comment by null

    LOL! Good One!


  45. Corinne says:

    Oh Lynne, how could you forget such breathy prose?

    “Let us go away together, away from the anger and the imperatives of men. We shall find ourselves a secluded bower where they dare not venture. There will be only the two of us, and we shall linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement.”

    “How well her words describe our love – or the way it would be if we could remove all impediments, leave this place, and join together … Then our union would be complete. Our lives would flow together, twin streams merging into a single river.”

    Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. I bet she had a big old bottle of wine sitting next to her as she wrote this novel.


  46. JesusChrist_GodOfWAR says:

    Are all Republican wives this feisty?

    I thought they were supposed to obey their husbands. Oh. Wait. Ms. Cheney is following direct orders. Spin. Shift. Confuse. Induce fear.


  47. katy says:

    and, i didn’t look too hard yet, but what is the story context surrounding the sentence (about the penis) in webb’s book… i could only deduce that it was not sexual/sensual at all, very strange… maybe a vietnamese raspberry kinda thing…
    amazon wouldn’t let me read that whole page because i haven’t bought anything in a long time…
    anyone?


  48. Heynow says:

  49. katy says:

    no, joe, i haven’t … i hear it’s out of print…
    i have heard some parts read on the radio… it sounded really amateurish and silly…
    .


  50. Yikes says:

    ” I thought Lon Cheney was dead.-”

    Ah man, Thanks for the laugh.


  51. Your+Conscience says:

    What a Douchebag

    CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?…GOOD!!!!!!!!



  52. katy says:

    …leave this place, and join together … Then our union would be complete. Our lives would flow together, twin streams merging into a single river.”…
    Comment by Corinne — October 27, 2006 @ 7:30 pm

    uh…
    CHENEY: This — no, not necessarily. This description is a lie. I’ll stand on that.

    just what is she standing on? … it doesn’t sound ambiguous to me…
    .


  53. Freeom Hater says:

    That person sleeps with Darth Chaney every night. What a horrible manifestation!


  54. Republicans are the fear and smear party says:

    Yes, she called it “Katrino” because she’s that far removed from all the horror her husband’s administration caused during “Katrina.”


  55. Jay Randal says:

    Lynn Cheney is a mean nasty woman who loved to talk about Bill Clinton’s penis when she was on Crossfire program, plus her book about lesbians has sleazy stuff in it > shame on her and her stinky hubby VP Dick Cheney!


  56. Clyde+the+Ripper says:

    It has been the folklore of our society since the days of Noah that the rats will desert a sinking ship. One of the other mainstays of our heritage is that we never give up the ship. It is quite obvious that the “elite politicos” of bushco are not students of history or mythology. These politicos are determined to stay aboard the sinking ship and will never give up the rats even though the rats are the only non-convicted things left on the ship. If I had a dollar for every rethuglican that will lose office in the next 26 months and Mrs. Cheney had a feather up her nose we would both be extremely tickled. As it is I am happier than a dead pig under a new wagon just watching bushco self-destruct day by day and rat by rat.

    Feed the rats–Click on Clyde.


  57. trueblue says:

    OMG!
    I went back and listened again.
    She does call it “Katrino”!

    How f**king awful.

    They are the lowest.


  58. katy says:

    corinne, @ 7:30 pm – you need to post that at trueblue’s link!
    good one, true!
    these people just keep getting in deeper, scarier…


  59. John+the+Elder says:

    I doubt that Cheney “beame” unhinged. She has been that way for years. She wakes up every morning and takes handfuls of “Nasty” pills so that she can spew her contempt for anyone who doesn’t tow her line. Of course anyone married to the likes of her husband would have a great need to be on something just to live with someone capable of shooting you in the face at the drop of a hat(or anything else). She and her “know nothing” husband deserve each other. Hopefully the day is not far off when they will share a jail cell, complete with waterboarding for the rest of their natural lives.


  60. michael says:

    she is a delusional, cold human being


  61. Badmoodman says:

    And if CNN had been around in 1944, we now know how an Eva Braun interview would have gone.


  62. Jay Randal says:

    Wolf Blitzer clobbered her good > I wish he would do that to Dick Cheney and clobber the boy king Bush as well!


  63. trueblue says:

    thanks, katy, but it’s TPM, not me.

    It is a good link though, isn’t it?
    :0


  64. trueblue says:

    What a passive-aggressive person this woman is.
    Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 27, 2006 @ 7:14 pm
    she is a delusional, cold human being
    Comment by michael — October 27, 2006 @ 7:51 pm

    “Mother’s not herself today…”


  65. Pluto says:

    Did I hear her right? “The President and Vice President inherited a recession.” Wingnut history…


  66. Beverly+S.+Hill says:

    I’d be unhinged too, if I were married to that sociopath.

    What a Whore!


  67. SpudgeBoy says:

    “Go phouc yourself Mrs. Cheney.”


  68. Joe Sixpack says:

    Thanks for the link in #53, trueblue. I also saw the interview with Wolf Blitzer where she tried to dodge and weave on all those lies. Those passages she wrote were probably from personal experience. Maybe when they were newly weds and Dick was fresh out of deferments to keep his pasty-faced butt from being drafted to serve during the Vietnam War.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but that was when Dick knocked Lynne’s ass up and he got either his 4th or 5th deferment that kept him safely here at home while better men went off to fight and die in his place.

    At any rate, I find it amusing how every election Lynne Cheney manages to find her way onto the news stage to defend the VP and his trained monkey’s administration as she did in the last days of the 2004 election.


  69. Richard says:

    Heck of a (nut) job.


  70. JohninLondon says:

    You all seem to be singing from the same hymnsheet.

    Cheney’s wife made 3 main points :

    1 CNN showed terrorist propaganda ie the staged film of a US soldier being sniped. TRUE – that’s why people are calling it Crescent News Network. CNN is despised by the troops, just like the BBC is despised by British troops.

    2 CNN is essentially adopting as its editorial line the DNC talking points eg running “Broken Government” items. She pointed out that the economy is damn strong. TRUE

    3 She denied the DNC charge about her books – she claims CATEGORICALLY that her books contain NO EXPLICIT SEX. Probably TRUE – why would she risk being tripped up? She knows what she wrote, Blitzer doesn’t.

    You guys are gonna be spitting teeth on Nov 7th if current trends continue. The Fat Lady ain’t sung yet, but not even the DNC thinks it can win the Senate – and the House is no longer looking like a shoo-in.

    Ignore the national polls – go look at the detailed local polls eg at realclearpolitics.com Otherwise you are gonna get a nasty surprise in a few days time.

    (As a Londoner, I am amazed how many Americans are ignorant of the actual state of the polls. Frothing at the mouth about impeachments, and all the hate some of you guys display – sad, really. No sense of balance. And in CNN’s case, damn all sense of decency.


  71. Richard says:

    “Sex, Lies and Distortion.” My life as a Republican. Penned by: Duke Cunningham, Scooter Libby, Mark Foley, Denny (home of the Whopper) Hassert, Tom DeLay, David Safavian…you get the picture.


  72. trueblue says:

    Thanks, Joe Sixpack.
    That’s the second “Correct me” you’ve done today.

    I’m feeling spoiled!

    About the passages, maybe she was reading her daughter’s diary………

    OK, maybe that was bad. I couldn’t help it.


  73. ren says:

    yo, Olberman isn’t covering it… he must have missed what happened…


  74. RichardinNYC says:

    Hey JohninLondon. Why don’t you come over here and see first hand what we’re talking about. Can you claim this governement is NOT broken?


  75. PeeJ says:

    Hmmm……now they know how Bill Clinton felt being blind sided. How does it feel, Lynn. These repugs are pathetic.

    Peace!


  76. Joe Sixpack says:

    As a Londoner, I am amazed how many Americans are ignorant of the actual state of the polls. Frothing at the mouth about impeachments, and all the hate some of you guys display – sad, really. No sense of balance. And in CNN’s case, damn all sense of decency.
    Comment by JohninLondon

    Why don’t you go have a bowl of blood pudding or something, John. Besides, we get all the “sense of balance” and “decency” we need from Fox News. I mean, I guess you Brits are really having a love affair with the leadership of Tony Blair, huh?


  77. peterh says:

    Can one imagine what the conversation must be like when Lynne & Barbara get together for a little girl…..errrr….bitch talk…..*blink*…..


  78. ren says:

    Frothing at the mouth about impeachments, and all the hate some of you guys display – sad, really. No sense of balance. And in CNN’s case, damn all sense of decency.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 8:12 pm

    Hey Johnin”LONDON”– Shut the F#uck Up….Beotch!


  79. Mr. Evil says:

    Whatta bitch! Wolf should have kept on pressing the lesbian thing in HER BOOK so we could have seen her head explode! No wonder Dick has had 50 heart attacks!


  80. trueblue says:

    Everyone knows that people from England, Europe, the World over, are tired and disgusted with the Bush Regime.

    That is a troll in disguise. Ignore it.
    ** it’s blood sausage, Joe Six, and believe me, it ain’t pretty.**

    Now I have to email zooey about what it looks like, since it would be improper to do so here.
    ;)


  81. Jay+Randal says:

    Nobody from Britain would defend the Bush Regime, on here, unless they were that lap poodle dog Tony Blair himself > lol.




  82. trueblue says:

    or should I say “arse.”

    Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party — October 27, 2006 @ 8:27 pm

    good one!


  83. OxyCon says:

    I didn’t know the Cheney’s let their little grandchildren watch and listen to Don Imus.
    That’s what Lynn Cheney said today.
    What kind of people let their grandchildren watch and listen to Don Imus?


  84. RichardinNYC says:

    “Wolf should have kept on pressing the lesbian thing.”

    I don’t think her lesbian thing has been pressed in YEARS!


  85. trueblue says:

    Imus is a tool.

    I can’t believe they let those children watch him.
    Ick.


  86. JohninLondon says:

    trueblue

    It is NOT blood sausage. We call it black pudding here in Britain. Or you can get white pudding sometimes. (Why do you guys always assume that constructive criticism is trolling? You seem to suggest that I am not in London – strange thought process you have there.)

    ren

    You simply prove my point about the blind rage on show at this site

    RichardinNYC

    I visit the US a couple of times a year – it doesn’t look like broken government to me. Heck, I wish central London was as safe as NYC.

    JoeSixpack

    I never voted for Blair in the first place. But he seems to have a clearer view of what confronts the West than the Dems have. And indeed than the vacillating Tories have.


  87. ren says:

    “Frothing at the mouth about impeachments, and all the hate some of you guys display – sad, really.”Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 8:12 pm
    You know what? It’s A$$Holes like this guy that p!ss me off the most with their pitty on my anger. Hey D!CKHEAD! Because of Retards like you wrecking the world , that is why we are pissed off. Kind of Sad Really that you are a F#ucking Retard!!!


  88. barfly says:

    Prove point number one if you can:CNN is despised by the troops, just like the BBC is despised by British troops.

    CNN is essentially adopting as its editorial line the DNC talking points eg running “Broken Government” items. She pointed out that the economy is damn strong. TRUE

    Wrong. Housing, which is one of the real engines of American growth, is the worst its been in thirty five years. Real wages are down. The stockmarket is doing OK, but that isn’t the only benchmark; bankruptcies are growing also.

    You guys are gonna be spitting teeth on Nov 7th if current trends continue. The Fat Lady ain’t sung yet, but not even the DNC thinks it can win the Senate – and the House is no longer looking like a shoo-in.

    And I will be here to feed your words back to you.

    Ignore the national polls – go look at the detailed local polls eg at realclearpolitics.com Otherwise you are gonna get a nasty surprise in a few days time.

    This is an election about Iraq, plain and simple. Americans have been polled repeatedly, and the trend is away from Republican positions. And realclearpolitics is realbiased – or hadn’t you noticed?

    (As a Londoner, I am amazed how many Americans are ignorant of the actual state of the polls. Frothing at the mouth about impeachments, and all the hate some of you guys display – sad, really. No sense of balance. And in CNN’s case, damn all sense of decency.

    Comment by JohninLondon

    “Balance” will be restored in a few days. Why don’t you come back after the election and we can talk. You really haven’t offered anything but regurgitated spin. Sad really.


  89. Yenta says:

    Oy, that’s mishigas! I write better erotica than that — and me, I write terrible erotica! Such a shiker!


  90. trueblue says:

    Sorry, johninlondon.
    Did not mean to offend. I must have been incorrect since my info on blood sausage came from a Dubliner.
    And, re: you being in London,… everyone hates Tony Blair. I’m not buying that one. Be mad about that one all you want.

    We’ll agree to disagree there.


  91. ren says:

    ren
    “You simply prove my point about the blind rage on show at this site”Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 8:33 pm

    Blind Rage? So your saying that I am angry at nothing…
    Because by “Blind Rage” that insinuates that a person is very angry at something that they cannot see or they cannot see because they are in such a rage.
    So all of the people that hate this administration; hate it for basically nothing… Nice one A$$HOLE!


  92. Gregor Samsa says:

    1 CNN showed terrorist propaganda ie the staged film of a US soldier being sniped. TRUE
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 8:12 pm

    False. That tape was real and CNN was reporting the news. That’s what they do.

    You have a problem with reality, so you are asking that CNN portray a sanitised view of the war, and only from the government’s perspective.

    Hardly the rock-solid foundations of a democracy.

    CNN is despised by the troops, just like the BBC is despised by British troops.

    The Beeb despised by British troops? Do you have the results of a poll to back that assertion of did you just pull it out of your rear end?

    2 CNN is essentially adopting as its editorial line the DNC talking points

    You are a Londoner. What do you care what the CNN in the US broadcasts?

    She pointed out that the economy is damn strong. TRUE

    False. The economy, although not in the doldrums, is not “damn strong”. Even the housing market that kept the economy buoyant is slumping now.

    3 She denied the DNC charge about her books – she claims CATEGORICALLY that her books contain NO EXPLICIT SEX. Probably TRUE

    So you are just defnding hwer for the sake of it, since you don’t know either. Interesting.

    why would she risk being tripped up?

    Er, oh, because she is a liar, just like her husband?


  93. RichardinNYC says:

    ok, JohninLondon, my response:

    ‘I visit the US a couple of times a year – it doesn’t look like broken government to me. Heck, I wish central London was as safe as NYC.’

    Heck John, I live in NYC – downtown to be exact. And I don’t feel so safe. Still. When I hear more than 1 siren or a helicopter I still get a pit in the bottom of my stomach. And when I hear things like a PDB stating “Bin Laden Determined to Strike USA’ – well, I get pretty angry. So I’m glad you feel so safe here. I don’t feel like this government has my and my family’s best interest at heart, and that makes me think things are broken.


  94. Fools+in+the+GOP says:

    I feel so much better that Lynne knows all about what is being done by the CIA, NSA and in those secret prisons, and secret rendition and she approves of it. NOT!


  95. JPark says:

    John in London…spitting teeth? Jealous?


  96. ren says:

    John in London…spitting teeth? Jealous?
    Comment by JPark — October 27, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
    Watch those sweets!


  97. Steve says:

    Funny JPark, the British do have some bad choppers


  98. JohninLondon says:

    JPark

    A spark of humour – amazing !


  99. Gregor Samsa says:

    Why do you guys always assume that constructive criticism is trolling?
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 8:33 pm

    “Constructive” does not describe your first post. “Confrontational” is more like it.

    You seem to suggest that I am not in London – strange thought process you have there.

    You have to admit that posting around 2AM in an American blog, about American politics, in such an opinionated way is very unusual for a Londoner.

    And your comments are so very full of American colloquialisms.


  100. ren says:

    JPark
    A spark of humour – amazing !
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 8:53 pm

    See what “Blind Rage” can do for ya….


  101. Joe Sixpack says:

    I visit the US a couple of times a year – it doesn’t look like broken government to me. Heck, I wish central London was as safe as NYC.
    I never voted for Blair in the first place. But he seems to have a clearer view of what confronts the West than the Dems have. And indeed than the vacillating Tories have
    .
    Comment by JohninLondon

    Visiting a few times a year ain’t going to tell you anything, John. Maybe next time you visit, take in New Orleans and go sightseeing. Perhaps if you lived and worked here and watched the National Debt go to 8.5 Trillion dollars, the unsafe borders, good jobs sent abroad, corporate corruption run amuck and one of the most mean-spirited, dirty, corrupt and vile governments the US has ever had, you might sing a different tune.

    As for you wishing London was as safe, the last time I checked Westminister Abbey and the Tower of London was still standing. That counts for something.

    I have always appreciated England and having someone to stand with us as allies. Too bad our imbecile of a president and his henchmen have strained that relationship and trust with the Brittish folks. Next time we go to war, I bet there will be some second thinking on our allies part, huh?

    Well, cherrio and all that rot, my man.


  102. Cheney/Voldemort 2008 Campaign HQ says:

    Lynne, you ignorant slut, just opening your mouth and yelling “Liberal bias!!! Liberal bias!!!” only shows how incredibly ignorant you are, living with Vice President Palpatine. Just because the Fox 24-Hour Comedy Network keeps trying to tell your loyal bushtard lick-spittle authoritarian followers that there’s a liberal bias, it does not, however, just make it so!

    The world is watching, you Republican harpy, and its judgement will be rendered soon.

    And then you’ll see your husband Vice President Palpatine in one of those little glass booths they have at The Hague!


  103. JohninLondon says:

    Gregor Samsa

    I reckon Cheney’s wife knows what she wrote and what she didn’t write. If she states categorically that her books contained no explicit sex – and this was false – the news channels would have been full of explicit quotes by now.

    The sniper video clip on CNN was a propaganda coup for terrorists. Why is there so little coverage by CNN of US troops out in the field, rather than all the Green Zone hotel balcony editorialising ? If you don’t recognise the endemic spin and moral equivocation in most of what CNN broadcasts – go read what Ted Turner was saying, he’s not sure what side he’s on. And how about Eason Jordan’s admissions of suppressing news from Baghdad, and then his resignation over false claims against the US military. And i comment on CNN because we get the international version here – and it reeks as bad as the BBC.


  104. JohninLondon says:

    Gregor Samsa

    I am up late because I have been watching a late movie, and I’m retired anyway so keep late hours.


  105. Zooey says:

    I have no doubt that Unka Karl has a plan for these last days before election day. I really wonder how this fits in.

    Maybe Blitzer was supposed to back down…and he forgot.


  106. Zooey says:

    JohninLondon,

    Check out the link in #53. That is some really limp naughty stuff, but naughty it is. Lynn Cheney can’t hold herself above anyone writing sexually explicit crap.


  107. JohninLondon says:

    barfly

    I mentioned realclearpolitics not for its editorial side but because it is the only site I know that published ALL the local House and SDentae and Governor polls every day. The fine grain of polling. Go check.

    As for housing dragging down the US economy, Greenspan reckons the effect won’t be too bad. Check him out on Google.


  108. JPark says:

    I reckon Cheney’s wife knows what she wrote and what she didn’t write. If she states categorically that her books contained no explicit sex – and this was false – the news channels would have been full of explicit quotes by now.

    Ok, that is just fricking retarded. It is full of women having sex with each other. What, are they just curious? Not really lesbians…just kinda confused.


  109. trueblue says:

    I’m with you, Gregor.
    Now it’s almost a desperate attempt to use words that differentiate our styles.

    Well, cherrio and all that rot, my man.

    Comment by Joe Sixpack
    LOL!

    Sorry,John,
    I’m simply not buying it.

    Nice to talk to you, though!


  110. JPark says:

    #111 If you were in the US and had followed Greenspan for any length of time you would realize he just attaches himself to whoever is leading. I was fool enough to believe he was a great economist for years (that would be the Clinton years). His cover for the current administration’s extremely immoral and destructive policies has opened my eyes.


  111. trueblue says:

    Hey, Zooey!
    I need to email you that ’sausage’ thing.
    Oh, nevermind. You probably know and could outdo me, anyway…
    ;)


  112. Zooey says:

    #116 – Do I really want to know?

    I’m not into outdoing you — stop that!


  113. Hillbilly says:

    Even I figured out John is a reichwing troll. The only question is, paid or unpaid. Which is it Gov’ner?


  114. Mr. Evil says:

    Hey, JohninLondon, you seem to enjoy your country being reduced to a lap dog to George Bush. The rest of the world has awaken to what the Bush regime has in store for the future of this planet. And it doesn’t include anything resembling a freedom based democracy! You’re a blind fool just like your master, Tony Blair, who answers to George Bush. You can also take your proper English gentleman condescending attitude and shove it straight up your bootlicking ass (arse)!!!


  115. JohninLondon says:

    Zooey

    I just checked out the link at 53 – the link itself concedes that Cheney did not use sexually explicit language. Have you read the Webb stuff – totally explicit.

    I happen to think it is all somewhat irrelevant anyway – but Cheney’s wife is not standing for office, Webb is. And the CNN interview was meant to be about her childrens’ book.

    Someone asked about whether the UK military despise the BBC. In 2003 the sailors on HMS Ark Royal demanded that the BBC news service be switched off – they were sick of its bias and inaccuracyand anti-military spin. Its moral equivocation. I recall the lead BBC reporter in Baghdad saying that US troops were nowhere near the city – but you could see their tanks up the street behind him. Just like that caboe scene in NO after Katrina. This week senior execs at the BBC have admitted its systemic liberal bias – check today’s telegraph, or the mail or the Standard this past week – or the site BiasedBBC.blogspot.com


  116. Gregor Samsa says:

    The sniper video clip on CNN was a propaganda coup for terrorists.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 9:00 pm

    That is like saying showing the flag-draped coffins is aiding the enemy. Again, you want a sanitised version of the war. Very convenient if the war is based on strings of misrepresentations, and falsehoods.

    Why is there so little coverage by CNN of US troops out in the field, rather than all the Green Zone hotel balcony editorialising ?

    Well, because Iraq is not a safe place. Or do you believe that Washington DC is more dangerous than Baghdad? Please.

    If you don’t recognise the endemic spin and moral equivocation in most of what CNN broadcasts – go read what Ted Turner was saying, he’s not sure what side he’s on.

    I am not here to defend CNN -I hardly watch it as it is.

    But it is a much better alternative than FoxNews. Scrap that. FoxNews is not even a choice: Fox is the official propaganda machine of the Republican Party.

    And i comment on CNN because we get the international version here

    Yes, I know you get the international version. You do realise it is not the same thing, don’t you?


  117. trueblue says:

    Zooey,
    I meant your quick wit would naturally outdo mine.

    You haven’t noticed I’m your ‘Straight Man’?

    You are the funny one here.
    I just help.
    (Glad to, BTW. No Martin/Lewis thing going on!)
    ;)


  118. Zooey says:

    (Glad to, BTW. No Martin/Lewis thing going on!)
    Comment by trueblue

    Good because I look too much like Jerry Lewis to act like him.


  119. JohninLondon says:

    Mr Evil

    I happen to be Australian – from another country that agrees with Bush’s analysis and disagrees with yours.

    And as I said before – I have never voted for Blair.


  120. trueblue says:

    LOL! See? That’s what I mean!
    I set you up for the yuck – and it was a good one!
    :)


  121. trueblue says:

    Oh God, John is flip-flopping already.
    Lots of excuses, my man.

    Exposed troll, I say.


  122. JohninLondon says:

    Gregor Samsa

    Here we do get the flag-draped coffins, on their return to RAF Brize Norton. I don’t want the news sanitised – I want more news and less editorialising. And less cuddling up to the enemy. And far less staged photography.

    If there are only 9 embedded reporters with the US military (and a lot of those are independent ?) – that’s the fault of the press. Too many journalists living in hotels in the safety of the Green Zone, FAILING to cover the conflict properly. Pretending to be war reporters when they are no such thing.


  123. Joe Sixpack says:

    As for housing dragging down the US economy, Greenspan reckons the effect won’t be too bad.
    Comment by JohninLondon

    Now see, John, that’s what I’m talking about. Greenspan is a republican crony. Over the past five years, most everyone here in America has refinanced their homes for cheaper interest rates. Most of Americans have now got much higher mortgages because they took the equity out and have been spending it on bills and bullshit. I heard one official state a week ago the equity lost amounts to well over two trillion dollars which is now debt.

    Just what the hell do you think has been proping up the middle class here? Better wages? Better jobs? No, its home equity and credit. Are you aware that the average American’s savings are at a 50 year low and just how much credit card and other debt the average person here has is absolutley staggering?

    As for the stock market: just because the oil companies and international corporations who make goods by exploiting cheap labor in the Far East, and then sell them to you Brits and other Europeans for a profit, that does NOT mean our personal economic lives here in America are doing good. It only means that Corporations on the DOW or NASDEQ are doing very well at America’s expense. Some of us are starting to wake up to that and we are really pissed about it, OK?

    You need to get a clue, pal.


  124. JohninLondon says:

    trueblue

    Excuses ? Flip-flopping ? Where and what ?

    I started by saying that Cheney’s wife had made 3 main points. And I still reckon she was right on all 3, haven’t seen anything yet to contradict her. The fact that many people don’t like her or her husband doesn’t alter the veracity of her remarks.



  125. Zooey says:

    Exposed troll, I say.
    Comment by trueblue

    Hey, there are laws against exposing yourself troll. Zip up.

    true,
    Stop taking candy from the troll…


  126. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Ok, folks this is priceless:

    She let her thoughts settle on James’ proposal. She liked being with him, wanted to know there would be abundant time with him in the future, but she didn’t feel certain that was reason to marry him. If she truly wanted to be with him, and he with her, wouldn’t they manage it without being married? If marriage meant they would be together more than their inclinations dictated, then wasn’t it a kind of duress? They should seek companionship and love from one another because they wanted it, not because they were obliged by the forms and expectations imposed upon those who married. Sisters, page 176

    This is from a family values Republican?


  127. ren says:

    I just checked out the link at 53 – the link itself concedes that Cheney did not use sexually explicit language. Have you read the Webb stuff – totally explicit.
    I happen to think it is all somewhat irrelevant anyway – but Cheney’s wife is not standing for office, Webb is. And the CNN interview was meant to be about her childrens’ book.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 9:16 pm

    It’s only people like you that could split hairs like this….
    People like you would say with a straight face that there is a difference between a “Timetable” and a “Benchmark”…


  128. trueblue says:

    John,
    I meant your posting. First an Englishman, now Aussie in London.
    Nothing adds up.
    Just what I’ve deduced from reading your posts.
    Sorry. I don’t mean to insult, I really don’t. It just isn’t right. And it’s 2:30 in the morning. Retired people are the ones in bed @ 8:00…..


  129. Gregor Samsa says:

    I happen to think it is all somewhat irrelevant anyway – but Cheney’s wife is not standing for office, Webb is.

    You are being prude. Writing sexually explicit novels disqualifies one for office, but lying about a foreign threat doesn’t? Talk about moral equivocation.

    And the CNN interview was meant to be about her childrens’ book.

    It would have helped if Mrs Cheney stayed on topic, instead of asking “Well, right, but what is CNN doing running terrorist tapes of terrorists shooting Americans?”

    In 2003 the sailors on HMS Ark Royal demanded that the BBC news service be switched off

    That is one ship, about 1100 crew. How about the rest of the Forces?

    Intereting how a Londoner has all these trivia facts about CNN, Ted Turner, and Greenspan so handy.


  130. trueblue says:

    Exposed troll, I say.
    Comment by trueblue

    Hey, there are laws against exposing yourself troll. Zip up.

    true,
    Stop taking candy from the troll…

    Comment by Zooey — October 27, 2006 @ 9:28 pm

    “Laaaaaddddy!
    Laaaaaddddy!”
    Oh, you’re right, Zooey. Sorry.


  131. Zooey says:

    #135 – Briseadh na Faire

    Oy god, that’s some terrible stuff.


  132. jaf says:

    Lady Macbethlives!


  133. ForTruth says:

    Lynn Cheney is a moron.


  134. Mr. Evil says:

    OK. The Australian government is parroting the Blair government is parroting the Bush government. Do you see anything good coming from all of this manufactured chaos in the world? Unless, of course, you are profiting monetarily from all of this mayhem. You and your attitude still suck.

    I just for the life of me cannot figure out what it is about this administration that some people simply will not give up. Numerous scandals, corruption, lies the size of Rush Limbaugh’s ass, misinformation, distortions, fraud, limitless waste, favoritism, cronyism, torture, a war based on the ramblings of a cabal of lunatics (PNAC) and a complete and total disregard for the constitution and bill of rights of this country. You admire that?! It amazes me that in the 21st century we still have incredibly gullible people that will follow George Bush no matter what he says or does.

    George Bush is not a uniter or a decider or an abider (to the oath of office he took, by the way). He is a destroyer! Everything he has ever touched or been involved with in his life has turned to shit. He is a destroyer of worlds!


  135. JohninLondon says:

    trueblue

    I have lived in London most of my life. But I’m not English.

    And yes it is 2.35am here. So what ? I stay up late, don’t need much sleep these days.

    Kick the ball, not the player ?


  136. katy says:

    oh my! just reading that back cover – whew!
    they say, write what you know… ms.lynnie probably didn’t have to dig too deep within to come up with these stories… poor “silent, trapped” thing…
    .


  137. Gregor Samsa says:

    As for housing dragging down the US economy, Greenspan reckons the effect won’t be too bad.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 9:06 pm

    And here you backtrack on your assertion that the US economy is “damn strong”. Now it turns out it’s been dragged down -just not “too bad.”


  138. syman says:

    I’m tired of people getting accused of what they write in a fictional story.

    “MR. Spielberg isnt it true you wrote about a scene feauturing NUDE! jews in concentration camps!!”


  139. SiriusA says:

    This woman can’t be this ‘unhinged.’ Either she’s not talking her medicine on purpose or she’s acting. And no, I’m not going to apologize for saying that. It’s what I think. At least, it’s what I think until I take a few of these pills here…


  140. JohninLondon says:

    Gregor Samsa

    I like US politics is why. Ever since reading Ted Sorensen’s book on Kennedy’s campaign in 1960. The Internet makes it dead easy to keep reasonably in touch with events in the US, to check the news sites, the opinion polls, some of the blogsites that show what people are talking about. It was the fact that the Lynne Cheney interview was news that brought me to this site – I was trying to find the video of the Blitzer interview, found it here via Google.


  141. WaltTheMan says:

    JohninLondon should set his/her/its spell checker and syntax correction parameters to British English.


  142. JohninLondon says:

    Gregor samsa

    The forecasts I see show US growth moderating to 2.7% per annum. That is very good growth. Far better than we have here.


  143. trueblue says:

    #130, Joe Sixpack,

    Ok. I always knew you weren’t the personna I saw when I first stumbled upon TP. (Any non-Repub could!) But I liked the ongoing gag.

    I realize you’ve dropped it, and you always have great points,but that last post (#130) had me agog.

    Wow.

    Great post. I never thought of that.

    Maybe because I’m busy trying to dump my Cape Cod property on some Repub dope…….

    As far as savings……………………..

    hahahahahahahaaaaa! It’s all going to the kid’s education. Nothing else.
    Welcome to America!


  144. Gregor Samsa says:

    Far better than we have here.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 9:44 pm

    And now you change the subject. This is not US vs UK comparison, but a US vs itself.

    No matter how you put it, the US economy is not “damn strong”. It is not in the doldrums, but it is still a “jobless growth”, and the the “trickle down effect” is even more of a trickle nowadays.

    Not to mention the housing market slump that, as you recognised, is having a negative impact.


  145. Steve says:

    Now just what was the name of that good looking middle aged women Cheney was with when he had his hunting”accident”? and do Dick and Lynne have separate bunkers?


  146. Zooey says:

    Steve,

    Wouldn’t you? I mean look at it from both sides — yikes.


  147. Why+are+there+so+many+pedophile+republicans? says:

    Hey JohninLondon:
    1 CNN showed terrorist propaganda ie the staged film of a US soldier being sniped. TRUE – that’s why people are calling it Crescent News Network. CNN is despised by the troops, just like the BBC is despised by British troops.
    —-
    First this isn’t a staged film. This film has been on usenet for sometime. In alt.binaries.documentaries/juba the baghdad sniper which was posted on 10/6.
    —-
    Your remark about Broken Government? What do I say about that? HR6166 that takes away my Bill of Rights…..4 trillion missing from the Pentagon…Katrina….Vote Fraud….RFID tracking my every move in 2008…oh and those Family Value PedoCons….your paid by the RNC to blog here. Because no one in thier right mind can see anything positive unless they were getting thier share. I’m not, and wouldn’t sell my soul to the purly evil kabul.
    —-
    Why would she “Be tripped up”? What she lied use “The Google” Cheney, Sisters, explicit, lesbian….


  148. JohninLondon says:

    Gregor Samsa

    If you want to see what Brit troops think of the BBC try visiting arrse.co.uk – the British Army “rumour service”. Squaddies despise the BBC reporting on Iraq and Afghanistan. And Brit soldiers and airmen I meet are universally anti-BBC.


  149. JohninLondon says:

    WaltTheMan

    I don’t use a spell or syntax checker. I simply write the Queen’s English !


  150. JPark says:

    The forecasts I see show US growth moderating to 2.7% per annum. That is very good growth. Far better than we have here.

    1. Projections from whom? If it is the Bush administration they have never met a goal by half.

    2. Come on over to this side of the pond and spend a month with a middle class family. You will be shocked at the costs of basic necessities like healthcare and education. Better yet, move over here, then you can get first-hand knowledge.


  151. JPark says:

    And Brit soldiers and airmen I meet are universally anti-BBC.

    I hear they are pretty fed up with being in Afghanistan too.


  152. Joe Sixpack says:

    Ok. I always knew you weren’t the personna I saw when I first stumbled upon TP. (Any non-Repub could!) But I liked the ongoing gag.
    Comment by trueblue

    Yeah. Sometimes I get real inspired and scare the crap out of myself with some deep thinking.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I can’t get a troll to engage me anymore. Its depressing. I mean, I don’t say stuff about their mama’s any more and I have been trying to reinvent myself. Still ain’t working. MA is gone. IRI is toast. Jason ignors me. Hell, even JohninLondon won’t let me badger him.

    Might have to get back to my old self, ya know?


  153. ForTruth says:

    The GDP news just came in, slowest growth in 3 years, at 1.6% for the quarter.


  154. WaltTheMan says:

    JohninLondon (or where ever),
    Economic growth in the US has entered a turndown compared to the rest of the world. The decline in new housing sales prices is approaching 10% over the last few months. My investments overseas enjoy a gain of .5% per day. Dollar investments, about 4% per year.


  155. Zooey says:

    Might have to get back to my old self, ya know?
    Comment by Joe Sixpack

    Only long enough to lure them in — then slap the shit out of them.


  156. trueblue says:

    *:)*

    I did always like those posts, Joe.
    It’s you, but you know it’s not you.

    And I remember more than ‘mama’ talk….. undies color, etc, just to “git-em”!

    Too funny!


  157. Zooey says:

    The GDP news just came in, slowest growth in 3 years, at 1.6% for the quarter.
    Comment by ForTruth

    I guess I really ought to watch the news now and then. That’s really not good. Monday morning – sell.


  158. trueblue says:

    Might have to get back to my old self, ya know?
    Comment by Joe Sixpack

    Only long enough to lure them in — then slap the shit out of them.

    Comment by Zooey — October 27, 2006 @ 10:01 pm

    See – you’re funny!
    My reply wasn’t nearly that good.

    We could go on tour, me being the foible, of course…!
    ;)


  159. Zooey says:

    Too funny!
    Comment by trueblue

    Too much, you two. :P


  160. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Ok friends, this is waaay off topic, but the relevant thread is buried and dormant, and I want to share this with you regarding the “Ticking time bomb/bin Laden/stakes” ad. A Democratic response:

    Same ticking time bomb, Daily briefing “Bin Laden Determined to Strike United States” Bush, “Ok, you’ve covered your ass now.” FBI to Rice, the threat, on a scale of 1 to 10 is a 10. Rice’s denial of the meeting…Bush, reading “My Pet Goat” “the nation is under attack” Bush’s blank stare…. tick… tick… tick… Bush, “I’m just not that concerned about Bin Laden” … tick… tick… tick… NIE Report, the Iraq War has made us less safe… Bush’s blank stare… tick… tick… tick… It’s time to stop living in fear and start living in Peace. Vote November 7.


  161. Zooey says:

    We could go on tour, me being the foible, of course…!
    Comment by trueblue

    No way, I sound like Jerry Lewis, too. I’m sensitive.


  162. JohninLondon says:

    Joe Sixpack

    I responded way back to some point you made.

    WaltTheMan

    You say your overseas investments are growing at some 4% a week ? At a compound rate that looks like trebling in a year. Aren’t you in the wrong game ?

    The decline in house prices may simply be the froth being blown off a lot of house-price inflation ? Is that such a bad thing ?


  163. Zooey says:

    It’s time to stop living in fear and start living in Peace. Vote November 7.
    Comment by Briseadh na Faire

    Is that an actual ad, or an idea for an ad?


  164. trueblue says:

    Now, Zooey, wait til after the elections before you put that sign up.

    Things could be looking up.

    At least you don’t live on this God-forsaken rock that will be under water in 20 years!
    …..ahem. Excuse me. Real estate is a fine investment. Really.


  165. ken says:

    Another thin-skinned bully, falsely righteous when anyone points out their hypocrisy.


  166. JPark says:

    John, do you get that the middle class is quickly becoming obsolete and cannot invest in the stockmarket. Bully for the rich that can but for those of us that have to work for a living our wages are stagnant and costs are way up. Do you get that?


  167. ggibson says:

    Soooo is her husband having Iraqis waterboarded also?

    They dont attack us on 911. We attack them. Then we waterboard them? How many Saudi Arabians have been water boarded so far?


  168. trueblue says:

    Cut it out, Zooey!
    You’re the star!

    I called dibs on the ‘Gitmo cell’ with you and PLC on the first post today.

    A guy took dibs with Joe Sixpack because, well, because he had a sixpack!

    I said we’d have adjoining cells and have a great ‘ol TP time for ourselves.

    Well, it was funny this morning….


  169. Zooey says:

    Real estate is a fine investment. Really.
    Comment by trueblue

    I’m not selling my home, I’m talking about stock. It’s gone about as far as it’s going to go, I’m afraid. :)


  170. wisedup says:

    Ok,mrs cheney,did your hubby send you here to slam mr. Webb’s book he wrote 30 YEARS AGO?…..and no, I WILL NOT fear your hubby. If your threating me with some dirt you think you have on me,please go ahead.
    OK…I did once kick a dog that bit me…anything else?


  171. Quisp says:

    Doesn’t the US government employment package provide coverage for stays in nursing homes?


  172. Quisp says:

  173. WaltTheMan says:

    JohninLondon (or where ever),
    Actually, I said .5% per day. After compounding, that works out to three times per year (230 business days). I atribute that to the declining value of the dollar in real terms due to BushCo’s insane spending practices.


  174. Zooey says:

    I called dibs on the ‘Gitmo cell’ with you and PLC on the first post today.
    Comment by trueblue

    That’s awfully sweet, true.

    It’s also frickin’ weird. I’d fight you for PLC, and you’d lose.

    I’m glad Joe Sixpack had an admirer…


  175. ren says:

    I wonder if her chastity belt is encrusted with rhinestones?


  176. Briseadh+na+Faire says:

    Zooey, that was an idea for an ad.

    Do we know whether PLC is male or female?

    Since I’m a candidate for unlawful enemy combatant status too, can I join you all in the cell?


  177. JPark says:

    Lynne and Dick Cheney had a threesome with Saddam Hussein. Prove me wrong.


  178. Briseadh+na+Faire says:

    Another ad:

    Growth in compensation for the top CEO’s from 2000 – 2006, adjusted for inflation.

    Growth in real wages, same time frame.

    Think the economy’s doing good for you?


  179. Zooey says:

    Zooey, that was an idea for an ad.

    Damn Democrats.

    Do we know whether PLC is male or female?

    PLC is a fine gentleman.

    Since I’m a candidate for unlawful enemy combatant status too, can I join you all in the cell?
    Comment by Briseadh+na+Faire

    Only if you wear your kilt. I’ll forge a note from your mom, saying you’re allergic to orange.


  180. trueblue says:

    I’d fight you for PLC, and you’d lose.
    Comment by Zooey —

    Wow.
    You can’t have 3-4 people in a cell?

    That’s ok.

    I understand…..
    *sniff*

    ……………………….maybe some other TP detainee will share their cell………………
    *sniff*……


  181. JohninLondon says:

    WaltTheMan

    The dollar is certainly not declining at the rate you suggest. Against the £ and the Euro it has not changed much this past year.

    If your overseas investments are really trebling in a year – any tips ?

    (And it really is a bit tiresome/irrational to suggest I am not in London. I am about 600 yards from the Thames, two miles from Hampton Court Palace)


  182. trueblue says:

    PLC is female. That’s why I called dibs.
    But Zooey doesn’t want me.


  183. JPark says:

    No, John, it isn’t the inflation. I never mentioned inflation. It is real wages. It is also cost of living. One is stagnating and the other is skyrocketing. Can you guess which is which?


  184. Zooey says:

    Lynne and Dick Cheney had a threesome with Saddam Hussein. Prove me wrong.
    Comment by JPark

    Shit. Now I have to poke out my eyes.


  185. Joe Sixpack says:

    I responded way back to some point you made.
    Comment by JohninLondon

    Thank you. You know, for a British/Aussi troll you are a regular frapper dasher. I heard that term on an Andy Griffith rerun. ;)

    Here is another fact that came in with that GDP report: Spending on home building dropped at a rate of 17.4 percent in the third quarter. That was the biggest drop since the first quarter of 1991 when such spending was sliced at a 21.7 percent pace….the bloated trade deficit also played roles in weighing down economic activity….An inflation gauge tied to the GDP report showed that core prices — excluding food and energy — advanced at a rate of 2.3 percent in the third quarter, which was down from 2.7 percent in the second quarter.

    I mean, any way you look at it, the liberals here would tell you that really sucks. GDP down. Core prices and inflation up. Not me of course, I’m just pointing out the facts. Maybe you can spin this into something good for me while I go for a beer?


  186. JPark says:

    John, what are you smoking? 4 months ago the dollar was about 1.5 to the euro…now it is more than 2. That is extreme. Would you like to talk about the pound? It is worse.


  187. Zooey says:

    I understand…..
    *sniff*
    Comment by trueblue

    Cut the crap, you emotional blackmailer! I don’t know where you learned that.

    You said you, me and PLC. Not 4 people! Briseadh na Faire wants to be in our cell, and he wears a kilt, so I’ll be distracted…


  188. trueblue says:

    Wait!
    I thought PLC said the “Feminist Hackles” were up?
    The whole Jason crap……

    No!!!!

    OK, I thought,…. nevermind what I thought..!
    PLC is a guy?

    Well this changes everything!


  189. Zooey says:

    PLC is female. That’s why I called dibs.
    But Zooey doesn’t want me.
    Comment by trueblue

    Dude, no way! PLC is a dude!


  190. JPark says:

    John, do you realize the dollar is close to being even with the dollar? Never thought that would happen, eh?


  191. JPark says:

    Sorry, Zooey, but it is true…Dick, Lynne and Saddam were all over each other. Actually, it was more Dick and Saddam. If only Saddam would have brought his wife…Lynne might have actually enjoyed herself.


  192. ernest olsen says:

    Are we to take it that Cheny has been leaking classified info to his wife in the bedroom.


  193. vwcat says:

    I think all those years of living with Darth has rubbed off and she’s just as nasty.


  194. katy says:

    here you go, johninlondon… see how well the economy is going!
    http://sevendaysatminimumwage.org/


  195. Joe Sixpack says:

    I’m glad Joe Sixpack had an admirer…
    Comment by Zooey

    Me too, Zooey. I was beginning to think mighty aphrodite was the only one who liked me. Well, her and I-RIGHT-I, anyway.


  196. ren says:

    Lynne and Dick Cheney had a threesome with Saddam Hussein. Prove me wrong.
    Comment by JPark — October 27, 2006 @ 10:25 pm

    Exactly… Proving a negative?
    That’s what we did to Iraq before the war with proving wether or not they had wmd. We said to Saddam,”If you don’t prove to us that you don’t have wmd then we will consider the declaration false.” the declaration being the papers that they had to submit on time to the security counsel that they didn’t have wmd.
    They are very comfortable with asserting falsehoods and then saying either,1)”I don’t know, that’s what I heard. 2)”I haven’t seen/read that report yet so I cant respond. 3)”We’re still in the middle of a trial so I cannot respond to that”.


  197. Zooey says:

    JPark,

    I owe you one, and it ain’t gonna be pretty. Fair warning….


  198. JohninLondon says:

    JPark

    A year ago I was getting 1.80 US dollars per £ sterling. The rate today is 1.89. That is nothing like the change you suggest. And the Euro has stayed pretty stable against the Pound. 1 Euro = 1.27 US dollars.

    Your figures are plumb wrong.


  199. trueblue says:

    Maybe you can spin this into something good for me while I go for a beer?
    Comment by Joe Sixpack —

    Someone’s slipping back into their old personna…..

    ;)

    And just in time, since Zooey just dumped me for kilt-wearing Briseadh na Faire!

    Fine, Zooey! Maybe Joe Six will invite me for 3 beers….

    ;)


  200. JohninLondon says:

    Joe Sixpack

    You say GDP is “down”.

    That too is plumb wrong.

    The rate of increase in GDP has moderated, is all. For one quarter.


  201. JohninLondon says:

    Do you know my American cousin? His name is Roger_Roger.


  202. BigCynic.com says:

    Angry conservative! Angry conservative!

    (Keep repeating that over and over again at every opportunity. That’s how conservatives created the now-widely-believed “angry liberal meme.)

    It’s a good think Mrs. Cheney is a Republican — otherwise the radical right would be calling for her head (no pun intended) for raising a lesbian daughter. And now she’s writing lesbian fiction? Too hot! Again, good thing she’s a Republican.

    Read “The farce known as America’s immigration debate”


  203. trueblue says:

    I’m glad Joe Sixpack had an admirer…
    Comment by Zooey

    Me too, Zooey. I was beginning to think mighty aphrodite was the only one who liked me. Well, her and I-RIGHT-I, anyway.

    Comment by Joe Sixpack — October 27, 2006 @

    Yep.
    They finally fell for your charms, Joe!

    So what color where those undies?


  204. trueblue says:

    were!
    DAMN!

    I hate when I misspell


  205. JohninLondon says:

    katy

    Maybe if the US got a grip on illegal immigration there would not be so much pressure on wages at the bottom of the heap. We have the same problem here – lots of newcomers willing to work below the satatutory minimum wage, and the authorities doing damn all about it.


  206. Joe Sixpack says:

    Fine, Zooey! Maybe Joe Six will invite me for 3 beers….;)
    Comment by trueblue

    You got it! But I’ll tell you like I told mighty aphrodite: when I get to drinking heavily I belch alot and make sometimes make a fool out of myself in public when I use my hand to make armpit noises for fun.


  207. JPark says:

    I am sorry, you are correct. I mixed up pounds and Euro. However, both have been getting stronger against the dollar. January…0.566481 GBP vs now…0.533827 GBP…or 0.82627 EUR vs. 0.793455 EUR. It isn’t as bad as I stated (I apologize, I was going with memory) but it is getting worse every month. It isn’t pretty. Stable is not the word.


  208. JPark says:

    Sorry Zooey, sometimes politics isn’t pretty :)



  209. trueblue says:

    You got it! But I’ll tell you like I told mighty aphrodite: when I get to drinking heavily I belch alot and make sometimes make a fool out of myself in public when I use my hand to make armpit noises for fun.

    Comment by Joe Sixpack —

    Wow, how she never got a piece of that, I don’t know!

    ;)


  210. JohninLondon says:

    Anyway, time for bed, thanks for the chat folks.

    I still predict that the GOP will hold the Senate. As for the House – they will not lose dozens of seats, might even retain comtrol marginally – but could face Dem majority of 3 to 5 seats. That majority would be too slim to support all the impeachment crap.

    But as a UK Primke Minister said – a week is a long time in politics. We shall see.

    Goodnight.


  211. JPark says:

    #216 That is not cool. Taking someone elses tag is lame.


  212. katy says:

    johninlondon -
    “Maybe if the US got a grip on” those who HIRE illegals…
    the first step…


  213. Zooey says:

    I belch alot and make sometimes make a fool out of myself in public when I use my hand to make armpit noises for fun.
    Comment by Joe Sixpack

    Oh, true, the man of your dreams. Who could ask for more?


  214. trueblue says:

    …maybe we could have a contest to see who belches the ABC’s the best/ longest?



  215. Zooey says:

    Sorry Zooey, sometimes politics isn’t pretty :)
    Comment by JPark

    Neither is my revenge. I serve it cold…

    Ask trueblue.


  216. Gregor Samsa says:

    But the US economy is still far more dynamic than any of the European economies.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 10:24 pm

    Which does not mean that it is due to the economy being “hamstrung”. Europe still is undergoing a historical transformation, and is very much an amazing experiment in progress.

    Stringing together 20-something economies together, without any one faltering, is a major feat.

    The US has no such circumstancial excuse. Fact is, again, the US economy is not red-hot. It’s more like “lukewarm”. Which is not necessarily bad per se, unless you happen to live in the lower income brackets.

    And it really is a bit tiresome/irrational to suggest I am not in London.
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 27, 2006 @ 10:29 pm

    Well, we do get trolls claiming to be British -as if that added points to their IQs. Not that it would make much of a difference for them…


  217. katy says:

  218. WaltTheMan says:

    JohninLondon,
    The dollar is not the entire issue, as Clinton would say, “It’s the economy stupid.” . When each of the three major automotive powers (I’ll agree that Chrysler is a division of Daimler, but its performance is abysmal and it has been treated as independent entity by Daimler.) in the United States are doing worse then Austin, Jaguar and MG in their worst years, the US economy is in dire straits. In the 1980’s, the US was the Mecca of financial acumen, now Mecca is moving to Beijing.


  219. JPark says:

    #233 LOL, k. I will be waiting for Zooey hell.


  220. trueblue says:

    Sorry Zooey, sometimes politics isn’t pretty :)
    Comment by JPark
    Neither is my revenge. I serve it cold…
    Ask trueblue.
    Comment by Zooey — October 27, 2006 @ 10:53

    YEP! Email me @ cforrest@capecod.net Just type ‘trueblue’ in the subject and I’ll let you in on the gory details…

    Thanks, Zooey.
    I need to heal….

    ;)


  221. JPark says:

    Actually, I haven’t paid any attention to it but it is probably more important…the dollar vs. the yuan.


  222. Briseadh+na+Faire says:

    227 – you didn’t figure it out? London is roger.

    That’s why I ignored his nonsense.

    Bill Maher’s coming on. I’ll be back.

    And Zooey…that’s an afFIRMative on the kilt!

    ;-)


  223. trueblue says:

    That’s it!

    I bunking with Joe Sixpack!

    Maybe with adjoing cells we’ll have a TP party….


  224. JPark says:

    #240 I don’t think so. He hasn’t crapped himself and wiped it on the walls yet.


  225. Zooey says:

    Thanks, Zooey.
    I need to heal….
    Comment by trueblue

    I’m here to serve… :)

    You’re gonna get a ton of email, girl.

    You go bunk with Sixpack, I’ll put in my earplugs for the belching contest. :P


  226. trueblue says:

    ewww, JPark,

    It’s termed, “finger-painting”, and ewwwww, I don’t need those memories – as a care giver, NOT the finger-painter – it’s Friday night,…. nooo…
    ick!

    :(


  227. Zooey says:

    JPark,

    I don’t know, I believed it when I saw that he was Roger’s “cousin.” That’s why I didn’t call him on using someone else’s name.

    Oh, and thanks for the new craptacular visual….I’ll add it to the revenge list…


  228. JPark says:

    LOL, trueblue. The visual is from experience. I was a caregiver at one time.


  229. Zooey says:

    And Zooey…that’s an afFIRMative on the kilt!
    ;-)
    Comment by Briseadh+na+Faire

    So naughty.


  230. trueblue says:

    Nah.
    It’s spammed.
    I get to pick who I want to talk to.

    Dump me for a skirt wearing guy… (no offense, Briseadh na Faire)
    What happens with the first fight?
    You got it! Switch cells.
    Then it’s morse code on the bricks…..
    Sorry this, sorry that….

    Me and Joe Six?

    Laughin’ and belchin’ away!

    Am I right?!!?

    :)))))


  231. JPark says:

    LOL, affirmative action. Something Rush doesn’t understand without drugs.


  232. Zooey says:

    true,

    A kilt is not a skirt! I mean, have you ever seen the kind of men that wear kilts!? These are manly men, my dear. Oh my god, calling a kilt a skirt….

    You go right ahead with the Sixpack, true. Listeing to belching makes me feel sick. I made the mistake of letting my boys know that…


  233. WC says:

    So I’m now watching the local news and this female comes on the TV campaigning for Bob Corker. At the end, Bob pops up and says:

    “I’m Bob Corker and I approved this message, because I wanted you to get to know my wife Lizzie.”

    Yeah, it’s off topic. So sue me.


  234. Dog_named_Boo says:

    VIDEO: Lynne Cheney Unhinged On CNN…

    Well I won’t make fun of anymans wife, well Okay, I have, but no more, I am reborn!.

    I will only make fun of her party, and yes her party did not take their medication, they are fakes! They are acting!!


  235. trueblue says:

    My Dubliner ex was an Irish dancer.

    You are correct.
    I should be ashamed of myself.

    However, after a sixpack, Joe and I will be less than politically correct.

    “Correct me if I’m wrong”…..

    heheheheh!

    :)


  236. JPark says:

    So, is she another Stepford whore?


  237. katy says:

    OCTOBER SURPRISE !!!!!!!!

    ST. LOUIS CARDINALS – WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS !!!!!!!!!

    WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    back to maher…
    !


  238. Zooey says:

    So, is she another Stepford whore?
    Comment by JPark

    Don’t be calling trueblue names.


  239. JPark says:

    #355 Ugh, I wanted Suppan to take a line drive to the nuts.


  240. Zooey says:

    Yeah, it’s off topic. So sue me.
    Comment by WC

    Have you noticed how completely f*cked up this thread is, WC?


  241. JPark says:

    LOL, Zooey, where is the revenge? Not true!!! The Corker wife!!


  242. Buckley Roberts says:

    Maybe if the US got a grip on illegal immigration there would not be so much pressure on wages at the bottom of the heap.

    Isn’t this from the same guy that claims our government is doing just fine? I suppose he also wants CNN to run a piece about how well our government is doing since the congressional approval rating is at around 19%. And iirc the Bush administration is the one that saw a sharp decline in prosecution of companies that hire illegal workers. The solution: throw money at the problem in a loosely defined border security bill.

    As for the economy, the stock markets are up but the median household income has fallen three percent in the last six years with benefits being cut also. The trade deficit is at (another) all time high. But yes…the stock market is healthy.

    The fact is that the GOP policies for the past six years have not done what they promised to do. It is time for a change of leadership.


  243. Zooey says:

    The World Series is being played?


  244. Dog_named_Boo says:

    So, is she another Stepford whore?

    Comment by JPark

    a 19th century liberal PHD that worked for the military industrial complex!!

    Ye AHH


  245. Dog_named_Boo says:

    an empire building woman if ever there was one!!


  246. trueblue says:

    LOL, trueblue. The visual is from experience. I was a caregiver at one time.

    Comment by JPark

    Hated to be assigned that patient that day…..

    nooooooo!

    Only thing grosser was assisting the Respirtory Therapist while they sucked out the phlem thru’ the traceotomy tube—- ICK!



  247. Zooey says:

    LOL, Zooey, where is the revenge? Not true!!! The Corker wife!!
    Comment by JPark

    You won’t see the revenge coming, my dear. :)

    That one was aimed at true. heh.


  248. Mark+Glesne says:

    Haha!!

    If Lynn Cheney was unhinged on CNN, what was Bill Clinton on Fox?


  249. trueblue says:

    Told ‘Ya, JPark!

    Straight man (well, woman) to Zooey.


  250. Lenny Laks says:

    Wow…Wolf did not step down from the big bad Ms Cheney…
    Well let’s see how he does against the guys……..
    I am somewhat impressed.


  251. JPark says:

    #264 That would be sick and sad. I only dealt with the developementally disabled and the somewhat deranged. Except when I worked with Alzheimer’s patients. Have I said, FU Rush lately?


  252. Zooey says:

    Ick.
    Comment by Jeanne

    I’m with you, Jeanne. When I was in junior high, I had a crush on a kid named Flemming. One day he came to school with a cold, and I got over the crush…


  253. JPark says:

    #267 Der, that would be righteously angry. Next?


  254. WC says:

    Thank you, Mrs. Cheney, for bringing up the fact that there are two surveillance programs.

    Remember, kids, Bush doesn’t go to the FISA court when one end of a call is international. Why? Because it takes too much time and the bad guys just might get away. “If a terrorist is calling into the United States, we want to know about it” — George Bush.

    And then we have a domestic-to-domestic call. George does go to the FISA courts for that. Apparently he’s not as concerned with the time factor in this case.

    One more thing. If a terrorists in LA is calling another terrorist in NYC and we monitor it, is it not considered “domestic surveillance??”

    To recap:

    Per Mrs. Cheney…

    Domestic to international call = Terrorist Surveillance Program.
    Domestic to domestic call = ??????


  255. trueblue says:

    So, is she another Stepford whore?
    Comment by JPark

    Don’t be calling trueblue names.

    Comment by Zooey — October 27, 2006 @ 11:31 pm

    HEY!
    I missed that one….

    –how do I do a ‘pout face’ on the computer?

    Don’t tell Zooey, though.
    I’m going to make her feel bad and apologize…
    ;)


  256. JPark says:

  257. Dog_named_Boo says:

    It is time for a change of leadership.

    Comment by Buckley Roberts

    It’s a time for a change of thinking, we no longer need the media to judge the opinion, the people of another nation =)


  258. Zooey says:

    …what was Bill Clinton on Fox?
    Comment by Mark+Glesne

    One fine looking man….

    At this point, MG, it’s pointless to be on topic.


  259. chimpeach says:

    Lynne Cheney. What a piece of work.

    She’s not just the missus. She’s a hardcore neo-con in her own right. A scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a former director of the country’s largest defense contractor, Lockheed-Martin.


  260. WC says:

    Have you noticed how completely f*cked up this thread is, WC?

    Comment by Zooey — October 27, 2006 @ 11:33 pm

    Well…A bit.

    Don’t forget…Bill O’Reilly is on David Letterman tonight. Just minutes away for those on the East Coast.


  261. Zooey says:

    The Letterman/O’Reilly Death Match 2006 = buzzkill


  262. trueblue says:

    OK,
    I’m tired. (’wicked tired’ as they say in MA)

    Zooey, as always you are the funniest lady on the Internet. (and definately on Idaho!)

    JPark, nice to meet you. Email me and we’ll conspire… I mean …. chat about things!

    Goodnight, TP!


  263. detepe says:

    When she mentioned the economy, she was talking about her’s and Darth’s. Imagine how their personal economy has improved in the past 6 years…

    Being a mere commoner, our family isn’t doing the “healthy economy” dance much of late. Of course, I could save so much money (as my wealthy in-laws would advise) if I sucked up all those low Wal-Mart prices. Sadly, due to one of my many (futile but fulfilling) boycotts, I can’t. I will, however, save some money by not buying any books by Lynne C.


  264. trueblue says:

    dammit!

    IN Idaho.
    IN!
    I hate making a mistake like that.

    Anyway, Goodnight.
    grrrrr.

    :P


  265. SEALsmylaimassacre says:

    pls check my homepage for another revelation about a massacre

    Let’s be thankful Cheney was never President


  266. Briseadh+na+Faire says:

    Hey trueblue, ya dinn’a ha’e ta leave th’ cell, ta me ‘n Zooey. I’m sure I could help ye both wi’ th’ rigors of close confinement…. ease those ’stress positions’

    and, yes, this thread is definitely ummm…off topic.

    But hey, so was Ms. Cheney. Has her book been made into a video yet?

    yeah….see….it was the subtle influence of her thinly veiled depictions of illicit sex, of brothels, of lesbian relationships that drove this thread straight to the gutter…so we’re on topic after all!!!


  267. Zooey says:

    …so we’re on topic after all!!!
    Comment by Briseadh+na+Faire

    Yeah, it’s Mrs “Dick’s” fault.


  268. katy says:

    what a night!
    bill maher and the CARDINALS!,
    then o’lielly on letterman,
    then the dixiechicks on nightline…
    it’s like i need a cigarette… i quit 5 years ago though…
    :)


  269. WC says:

    Letterman was hot tonight. He didn’t waste any time getting into the Iraq war and he unloaded on O’Reilly. Bill brought a toy sword and what looked like a Zorro hat for Dave’s son; several times during the discussion Bill grabbed the hat (which he had placed in the chair next to him) and glanced at the audience, and it looked like he was going to get up and walk out. At one point Dave accused Bill of putting words in his mouth, and said something like “your putting words in my mouth like you put artificial facts in your head.”


  270. jurassicpork says:

    Maureen Dowd talks about the GOP’s gay-baiting, Michael J. Fox-baiting and… novel-baiting?

    No mention on whether Lynne’s pioneer lesbian novel was also baited.


  271. WC says:

    Darn…”you’re putting” instead of “your.”

    And now Bob Corker has approved an ad so that we can meet his girls. Sure makes me want to go out and vote for him.

    Not.


  272. Wayne says:

    CNN is kicking Bushco all up and down, using real conservatives that are angry about everything this administration has done. They are showing how this adminstration has broken every real conservative point in conservative philosophy.

    The consevatives are turning on Bush in droves, calling for the democrats to take over and clean House, so to speak.


  273. Wayne says:

    Oh, the Report on CNN is called Broken Government, BTW.

    Now I don’t agree with all the conservative points, but CNN was nailing them to the wall.


  274. detepe says:

    If Lynne doesn’t like to think about Broken Government, perhaps she should avoid her fellow American Enterprise Institute scholar, Norman Ornstein.

    He and Thomas Mann (from Brookings) wrote, The Broken Branch, How Congress Is Failing America and How to Get It Back on Track

    Publishers Weekly says “Their book argues persuasively that relentless partisanship and a disregard for institutional procedures have led Congress to be more dysfunctional than at any time in recent memory.”

    Must be awkward in the halls at AEI since dear Lynne doesn’t realize anything is broken.

    As for Dubya and Darth Cheney, there are many books about how broken the current Executive branch is these days.


  275. RUCerious says:

    Methinks the second beeeyatch came to this gunfight with a tiny rubber sword.


  276. Vincent+Bemowski says:

    DEMOCRATS HAVE NO REAL ANSWERS

    Democrats have no real answers to charges of moral corruption within their Party, and within their souls. The difference between the rhetoric of a Democrat and a terrorist is almost non-existent.
    Democrats claim that although they are critical of President Bush, they support our troops in Iraq. But they are liars. Our troops are volunteers who believe in their mission, and have great respect for their Commander-in-chief, whom they overwhelmingly voted for in the last Presidential election. Cowardly Democratic politicians won’t go to Iraq and speak-out against our President because they know they would be booed off our military bases.

    Immoral, hypocritical Democrats also believe people have the “right to kill” millions of unborn human beings through abortions, yet they consider themselves “good” people! I voted for John Kennedy, and would have voted for Bobby Kennedy, but after these great men, a moral sickness corrupted and darkened the soul of the Democratic Party, and that “soul” gets more corrupt and darker with every passing year.

    Vincent Bemowski – Veteran, U.S. Army


  277. swank says:

    Did Wolf finally grow a set? No, wait…I see. Its just that the ratings are finally sliding towards the Dems…NOW its okay to start asking tough questions.


  278. Robert says:

    Good lord, a nutjob and a literay trollop. Is there anyone in the White House who has the brains God promised a goose?


  279. WaltTheMan says:

    #297 – Robert,
    Yup, Barney.


  280. Nat says:

    “Democrats have no real answers to charges of moral corruption within their Party, and within their souls.”

    What moral corruption?

    “Our troops are volunteers who believe in their mission, and have great respect for their Commander-in-chief, whom they overwhelmingly voted for in the last Presidential election.”

    I would say some have respect for him (which is bizarre) but I think most of them are fighting for each other to ensure that they make it out of Bush’s boondoggle alive.

    And what percentage of the military voted for Bush?

    “Cowardly Democratic politicians won’t go to Iraq and speak-out against our President because they know they would be booed off our military bases.”

    Possibly. So what.

    “Immoral, hypocritical Democrats also believe people have the “right to kill” millions of unborn human beings through abortions, yet they consider themselves “good” people!”

    Compared to republicans who don’t give crap about a child once it is born and “yet they consider themselves ‘good’ people!”



  281. WaltTheMan says:

    #300 – ccoaler,
    That link does not work. I tried removing the spaces and nada. I’ll be sawing wood for the next four hours.


  282. Richard J. Palmer says:

    This woman is a demented liar. She tried very hard to cover up the fact that her daughter is a Lesbian, something which is in no way bad. Bad is when a mother refuses to recognize reality. The Cheney family is certainly dysfunctional and very dangerous, although I believe her appearance has done more harm than good to her torturer, friend shooter, draft dodger, boozer, mean-assed husband.


  283. plunger says:

    .

    JAMES PETRAS’ NEW BOOK – THE POWER OF ISRAEL IN THE UNITED STATES
    It’s also able to get prominent Washington officials and the dominant corporate-run and funded media to label all criticism of Israel anti-semitic and freely uses this ruse whenever it serves its purpose. Israel is allowed to get away with its intelligence operations here as well including its covert penetration of military bases, the FBI, IRS, INS, EPA and many other government agencies. In addition, it’s believed its agents knew in advance about the 9/11 attack but withheld the information knowing it would serve its interests to let it happen. There’s also considerable evidence high US officials either knew about it themselves or were complicit in carrying it out because they also knew it would allow them the kind of reckless free reign at home and abroad they never could have gotten any other way. This is a story that won’t go away nor should it, and one day we may finally learn all the parts of it we can only speculate about now.

    http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=13901

    Oct. 25, 2006 – While reportedly under investigation for her ties to an influential pro-Israel lobbying organization, California Rep. Jane Harman last month hosted a private dinner for the group that was attended by two top Bush administration officials—Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte and Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.
    The Sept. 13 dinner took place at the home of Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Select Committee on Intelligence, and was attended by over 120 top financial backers of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The highlight of the evening was a panel discussion in which Harman played the host, questioning Negroponte and Chertoff about Mideast developments, international terrorism and homeland-security issues, according to an AIPAC official.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15419753/site/newsweek/

    THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS HIJACKED.
    DEPORT AIPAC

    .


  284. Expose+the+Republican+Pedaphile+Scandal says:

    She’s a weirdo. She was behaving the
    same way on NPR with Terry Gross when she was promoting her last book. I’m pretty sure BushCo puts her up to this kind of behavior.


  285. Dan says:

    [Democrats have no real answers to charges of moral corruption within their Party,]

    Tom Delay cover-up and scandal. Mark Foley cover-up and scandal. Katrina and Fema-response scandal. CIA agent outing scandal. The list goes on and on. You want moral corruption? The republicans are pros.

    And what answers do the republicans have? They have none other than “stay the course” and “history will judge us to be right, so shut up.” They have no real answers, yet have the gall to mock those that criticize them.

    Here’s some answers: Get out of Iraq as soon as possible. Reduce the deficit. Roll back tax cuts to the top 1% of incoming earners. Cut student loan rates in half. Reduce the pollution that causes global warming. Increase funding for public education. Remove the ban on federal funding for stem cell research. Ban the use of torture in any way shape or form.

    Do these sound like answers to you? Probably not if you’re a right-wing extremist nutjob – but they sound like sensible answers to the rest of America.

    [and within their souls.]

    The Bush administration and the GOP uses religious fundamentalists to gain votes, but mock them in elsewheres. If you and the rest of your ilk believe that’s not soulless political manipulation, then god help us all.

    [The difference between the rhetoric of a Democrat and a terrorist is almost non-existent.]

    Sure there is. Democrats want to make the country better. Terrorists want to blow it up.

    [Democrats claim that although they are critical of President Bush, they support our troops in Iraq. But they are liars. Our troops are volunteers who believe in their mission, and have great respect for their Commander-in-chief, whom they overwhelmingly voted for in the last Presidential election.]

    So what about the troops that disagreed? There are many of them and their voices are only very recently being heard. I find it odd that you claim to ’support the troops’ yet you dehumanize them into a singular mass of faceless political machinery. They are human beings, and the democrats support them – which is why they don’t want them fighting an unjust cause where they’re put at constant risk.

    [Cowardly Democratic politicians won’t go to Iraq and speak-out against our President because they know they would be booed off our military bases.]

    Patrick Murphy is a veteren of the war in Iraq, who is now running for congress as a democrat. What’s more, many members of the military agree with him – there are those that disagree as well, but of course, unlike you, any smart person will realize that the military is not a singular body but a collection of diverse individuals willing to sacrifice to protect our freedom. So it would help if you not claim to “support the troops” while dehumanizing them into a cheap political talking point, jerkwad.

    [Immoral, hypocritical Democrats also believe people have the “right to kill” millions of unborn human beings through abortions, yet they consider themselves “good” people!]

    Please. There’s more to the abortion debate than that – such as women who are raped, or women whose lives are endangered by pregnancy. It’s a very deeply discussed issue, and rightly so, since the subject of personhood is something we’re not entirely sure of yet.

    Unfortunately, like the politicians and pundits you’re parroting, you using the subject of dead babies to win emotional appeal points is far more callous and hypocritical than anything you’re accusing democrats of.

    [I voted for John Kennedy, and would have voted for Bobby Kennedy, but after these great men, a moral sickness corrupted and darkened the soul of the Democratic Party, and that “soul” gets more corrupt and darker with every passing year.]

    Oh you voted against Nixon? Well, then it should ‘please’ you to know that today’s neoconservatives model themselves after Nixon. Dick Cheyney in particular, since he worked for the criminally corrupt president.

    I also find it absolutely mystifying that you claim to know “so much” about democratic corruption, but are completely blind to the corruption within the party you support. For being someone so long-lived, you don’t seem to have become any wiser over the years.

    [Vincent Bemowski - Veteran, U.S. Army]

    I respect your service towards our country, but I will also say this: Your political views are Fubar.


  286. Jo Jo says:

    To Vincent Bemowski,

    It’s YOUR right-wingnut party that’s leading the way to hell in the fast lane with the corruption, sex scandals and torturing to name a few, not to mention the evil neo-con misleaders leading the way to murders in Iraq. Your link connects to a Catholic site, I’m a Catholic and I also recall the late great Pope John Paul trying to convince the criminal known as George W. Bush to not attack Iraq. Being that your link leads to a Catholic site, you must then have learned that Christ is also known as the Prince of Peace and many of his greetings were “Peace be with you.” Didn’t he also say “Love your enemies” and other liberal rebelious sounding phrases? You obviously have deep bitterness and darkness staining your soul and weighing you down, it stinks of it in your comments. I’m not saying we liberals, democrats are perfect, but compared to you, your darkness and your war mongoring hypocritical party, we smell much prettier. Peace and God Bless the World!


  287. Dan says:

    306 – In an ideal scenario, neither party would be corrupt, and balance would allow for free space between both sides. Given that the GOP controls so much of the federal government, it’s no longer about fightig for principles – it’s about maintaining a hold on power, hence the widespread corruption. Similar shit happenned when the democrats had control of congress back in the day. It’s happening again to the republicans, who are rapidly discovering that absolute power means you only have yourselves to blame when things go wrong.


  288. Sharon Cox says:

    Great post Dan, I could not have said it as well…..Sadly this person is about the same age as I am, considering his statement he voted for Kennedy,if true..I wonder when I read these type of post’s when their learning skill’s stoped and just what drives people to continue to believe in failed, lieing administrations…Clearly they are not paying attention to the current situations or new’s…….Blessings


  289. Expose+the+Republican+Pedaphile+Scandal says:

    Sharon, Dan
    There are times when I feel like the Domestic Spy program is justified. It’s usually moments when I’m concerned about my family. The anthrax thing really scared me. But Americans don’t even know what real fear is anymore and the Neocons have such a very clear record of lying and deliberate misinformation we don’t know what the real risks are either.


  290. Sharon Cox says:

    Expose, Yep!, All the behind closed door’s deal’s cheney has been doing for year’s and no accountability on anything is scary. But I refuse to be fearful. Neither do I expect this corrupt bunch to protect me….They are among the terrorests as far as I am concerned…..I can see no diffrence in sadamm and this bunch, killers all…..One war monger over there or over here is the same..Pure evil cloaked in flag waving, profesing “values”, faith based relegions and thumping the bible to suit their evil end’s….A bigger pack of liers and thieves I have not seen in my entire 65 year’s….The worst president and administration in the history of our country and it’s not done yet….I hope for change in Nov. but unless it’s in both houses I don’t see much being done untill all the public stand up and demand an end to this madness..

    Good post’s plunger and jo-jo…Am a little slow this morning, first cup of coffee…Blessings all


  291. Rodney Latstetter says:

    I read over the book “Sisters” by Lynne Cheney and all I can say it what a hypocrite! Her book is about gay relationships, rape, lynching Native Americans among other things. I am so tired of lies lies lies. It would be really incredible if the republican party could address the issues instead of lining their pockets, lying about the country and protecting their exclusive club full of 3 day work weeks, perks beyond the imagination and blaming everyone else for their problems. Sounds like someone with a drinking or drug problem that says it’s always someone else at fault for their problems. NOVEMBER 7th cannot get here fast enough!!!!!!!!!!


  292. jack says:

    I recently found a very interesting website:
    http://alreadylinked.com/
    There you can purchase ad space for your Blog etc.


  293. Sharon Cox says:

    Good point Rodney, We the people and the media are at fault as well for not doing enough early on to stop this bunch……I personaly have been working as hard as I can since before 2000, telling everyone I knew or met about this administration before they took over…Everyone said I was nut’s and a crazy libral…Now they are all saying “wish we would of listened to you”…….Well, now we have to work harder and not sit by and just watch them implode….Back new people and boot out all the corruption on all sides..Blessings


  294. Fools+in+the+GOP says:

    I skimmed over Lynne’s book Sister, available on the White House website. She is quite the liar.


  295. circusfifthfloor says:

    Wow! Little dick was in our state yesterday and Smirkey’s here today. Best place for them to puke their vile lies. By the way, our state motto is “Thank God for Mississippi”. Why won’t Little dick, karl, Lynne, or Smirkey prove to us that waterboarding is not torture? Murdock must know this would be a huge winner in the 8 to 9 spot. Waterboarding With The Stars!!!, starring Ann Coultera and Sean Hannity. Huge!!!! Lynne must be positioning herself for a major new show with Fox. Hey, farfetched, you say? Look what Gotti’s daughter pulled off…By the way, some excellent posts of late. And, the trolls get dumber and dumber, don’t they?


  296. John C says:

    KILL THE ZIONIST COMMIE FILTHY LIARS!


  297. TomPaine says:

    It doesnt get much more delusional than that. I mean she outright LIED on TV, but it’s going to turn into the “liberal media’s” fault. That great liberal conspiracy that allowed her to lie and spew venom with no repercussion.


  298. Lee says:

    Did she attend Jesus Camp as a child??!!


  299. 2oooo says:

    A nut in the worst way. Lynne should admit that she’s a lesbian, she wrote hot lesbian love scenes into her novels, and apologize to wolf and CNN for her rude and dastardly behavior. Was this paybcak for Clinton’s “explosion” on FNS? Jim Webb’s books are critically acclamied by the whole political spectrum, including John McCain. http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com

    Allen is just trying to stay alive.


  300. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Vincent provided a link, which gives an insight as to how people like he become so indoctrinated. Some quotes from the link:

    For Catholics, in order to avoid spiritual confusion and the deadly sin of pride, following the teachings of the Holy Bible must be combined with following the teachings of the Church.

    In other words, don’t think for yourself about what the Holy Bible says, do as the Church says.

    “And who shall know thy thought, except thou give wisdom, and send thy Holy Spirit from above. And so the ways of them that are upon earth may be corrected, and men may learn the things that please thee?” (Wisdom (9:17-18).

    A quick search of Biblegateway.com revealed that the book of Wisdom is not in the Holy Bible. Vincent is a prime example of the 30% of mankind who willingly follows and authority figure. It is troubling enough when that authority figure is some unknown God. Worse yet when man cloaks himself in the role of God on Earth and purports to reveal God’s word, as the Church does.

    Faith means accepting that which is non-rational. Blind faith means suspending all rational thought. It is a form of accepted slavery, for the will is given over to be controled by another. It really isn’t faith, but mental subjugation. When one gives over one’s own personal spirituality/relationship with God and substitutes the words of the Church, one has subjugated him/herself into slavery to men who pervert a relationship with God for their own personal power and gain.


  301. Dog_named_Boo says:

    caption contest; “THere she is…..Miss America!”


  302. katy says:

    Briseadh na Faire – i don’t like to get into other’s religious beliefs so much (way too personal and private) but from vincent’s link, what stood out for me was the first line of major copy, “Messages from the Mother of God”… huh? … referring to mary, mother of jesus?… jesus is god?…
    it’s all getting so twisted and confusing… no wonder the world is such a mess…
    (actually, it’s been twisted and confusing for a long time, which is why i dropped out of the c.church 35 years ago… maybe they changed that notion also)… (at least they are getting rid of “limbo”, hopefully, one of my original gripes)… (but that’s just MY opinion)


  303. Ha Lee says:

    Her mouth is just full of baloney… Wolf Blitzer did a good job in this “children’s book interview” segment.


  304. pete says:

    who gives a shit what this woman thinks, anyone who is stupid enough to marry “the dick”, is worthless anyway.


  305. Karim says:

    She is as crazy as her husband. It’s true what they say, “Birds of a feather flock together”.


  306. tom+baker says:

    #295 – It’s the draft-dodger chickenhawks in charge who have no answers, only the unbridled ambition to f**k with everything. I can’t believe someone who’s proud of their service in uniform could stand up for 5-deferments Dick, and air national awol Dubbie. Your crazy generalization about democrats shows that you’re a dumb, dumb, man, and deserve to take an ass-whipping from John Murtha.


  307. born live love die » Treat her like any other politician says:

    [...] Lynne Cheney was on CNN and got into a tiff with Wolf Blitzer. [...]


  308. Peter says:

    The scariest thing i’ve seen in a long time a screeming banshee.
    I know now what i’ll go out as at the Holloween party!! Bib a dee bob a dee boo!!!


  309. Dog_named_Boo says:

    crazyeyed rightbrain mouthbreathers


  310. Susan says:

    The Republican Experiment has failed. This party is everything they say they are not. Their approval ratings are in the toilet and for good reason. This cheney can’t handle the truth so she calls it propaganda. THIS IS CALLED REALITY ON THE GROUND.

    Strong on National Security?
    What about 9-11, anthrax attacks, invading a country that had nothing to do with 9-11, Katrina, N Korea nuke test. Feel safer?

    Strong on tax cuts? Sure TO THE TOP 1%! Are you worth 2 million dollars or more? They did very little for the middle class, which is the majority of americans. Do you think this is fair?

    The Democratic party has a proven record of peace and prosperity. The republican party has a proven record of war and debt. They have nothing to offer the american people but more of the same – STAY THE COURSE. We desperately need a change. Do your homework and vote the creeps out of office on November 7.


  311. katy says:

    maybe vincent was listening to david barton, and is following the program … scary, but not surprising:

    Barton Tells Voters They’ll Have to Answer to God
    By: Nicole Belle on Saturday, October 28th, 2006 at 8:22 AM – PDT
    The Christian activist who wrote about the “myth” of the Separation between Church and State is doing his bit for the RNC again.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/28/barton-tells-voters-theyll-have-to-answer-to-god/


  312. Bocephus P. Snerdley III says:

    With a daddy like Dick, no wonder Lynn Cheney’s daughter went Lesbi.

    LESBIFRIENDS


  313. Bocephus+P.+Snerdley++III says:

    sorry I mispelled Lynne’s name, but she’s still a jerkess.


  314. Cool one says:

    Lynne Cheney, I just don’t know anymore…

    Trent Slowcroft


  315. Cool+one says:

    Lynne Cheney, I just don’t know anymore…


  316. OxyCon says:

    How does a Fox News Useful Idiot like Lynn Cheney know what CNN airs on their network?
    She doesn’t watch CNN, yet she had a list of complaints against CNN.
    It sure looks as though Lynn went on CNN with a pre-set agenda and a list of right wing talking points to use for effect.
    No one is better at self rightious indignation than the “Huey, Louie, and Dewey” Looking Lynn Cheney.


  317. Marie says:

    F**k Lynn Cheney, her husband her family and the horse she rode in on.
    They lie to us day after day – they smear their opponents with dirty lies – they cannot tell the truth – they are a greedy and selfish lot.
    Damn them all to hell.


  318. Hedley+Lamarr says:

    They have realized that they can lie to the public at any time and any place. No one has the nerve or the research skills and preparation to confront them. Wolfie should have had quotes from her book ready, but he chickened out.


  319. Paul+Gray says:

    Did she say “the Pres and Vice Pres inherited a recession?”.
    I though Clinton had left the economy very strong?
    Please correct if I’m wrong or point me up in the conversation where this is answered.
    Thanks very much.


  320. VJB says:

    Cheney warned, “I think that you might be a little careful” declaring someone has “clean hands.”

    Interestingly, her hubby the veep sanitizes HIS hands after shaking hands with voters. Big product placement for Purel. It’s in the NY Times today. Perhaps unintentionally funny. While I understand the risk of contagion from the common voter, it is a bit insulting.


  321. VJB says:

    Cheney warned, “I think that you might be a little careful” declaring someone has “clean hands.”

    Her hubby, the veep, sanitizes HIS hands after contact with the common voter. Big product placement for Purel. It’s in the NY Times today. I can understand concern about contagion from the great unwashed, but it is a tad insulting.


  322. TomPaine says:

    Talking Point Alert:
    “Did you see how angry Lynn Cheney was on CNN? Why was she say angry? She just lost it. All he did was ask her a question. Are her and the the VP so hard up for money that she had to keep insisting on plugging her book. I mean, she just completely exploded and lost all control. That’s no way for a second lady to act.”


  323. yakfitguy says:

    I’ll qoute Eminem on this one:

    “F**K you Lynn Cheney.”


  324. gene+campbell says:

    Lynne Cheney is a liar and a snob, she’s not to be taken seriously by anyone of reasonabe intelligence. The best thing to do is be dismissive of anything she she might say…


  325. gene+campbell says:

    Lynn Cheney is a liar and a snob, don’t take anything she may say serious..in fact, it is best to be dismissive of most things she may say…just another mouthpiece for Bush/Cheney


  326. David K. says:

    “…brothels, rapes, lesbian love affairs.”

    Does anyone know where any of the “hot” content from her other book might be excerpted on the web. Would love to delve into that a bit closer.


  327. katy says:

    MRS. CHENEY’S LITERARY MASTERPIECE
    http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/sisters.asp


  328. JohninLondon says:

    That is a fake site, as has been pointed out several times before here


  329. Mara says:

    I find it terrifying that an experienced journalist such as Wolf Blitzer can let Lynne Cheney get away unchallenged with a ststement like “we inherited a recession.” Excuse me? This nation was enjoying a six billion dollar surplus when George W. Bush took office. By the end of this first term, we were three billion dollars in the hole. Like father, like son. Blitzer should have inserted a disclaimer there, so that his network wouldn’t be accused of spreading falsehoods masquerading as fact.

    It would also have been smart of him to have “Sisters” in hand, with the appropriate passages marked.


  330. Mara says:

    In re: the unsubstantiated comment of JohninLondon, above. If this video is a fake, somebody had best alert CNN, because they ran the same thing live on their network yesterday, and now have the transcript posted on their Web site.


  331. USA says:

    136. “People like you would say with a straight face that there is a difference between a “Timetable” and a “Benchmark”… “

    Ummm….there is a difference between a timetable and a benchmark.

    timetable-any plan designating the times which certain things occur

    benchmark-a standard of achievement


  332. Common Sense says:

    Oh boy… Hardly know where to start…

    North Korea – Clinton’s Failing

    Clinton was impeached… For Lying under oath…

    Stock market at all time high (Under Bush)

    Recession – Provided by Clinton – Don’t tell me Bush caused this after 2 months as president. Get a grip. The economy began softening months before President Bush took office.

    Unemployment rate – 4.6% (Rate in France for comparison – 9.0%)

    During the Clinton administration, vast sums were taken from the Social Security and Federal Highway Trust Funds to the budget so that Clinton could take “credit” for balancing the budget.

    Clinton raided the Aviation Trust Fund using some of the $10 billion it collects annually on federal deficit-reduction instead of airport and other aviation needs. Perhaps this money could have been used Airports to improve security prior to 9/11???

    Clinton’s response to Cole bombing and FIRST Trade Center bombing – Couple of cruise missles…

    Enron, Global Crossing, Adelphia – All major corporate scandals under Clinton’s watch.

    Housing market – Um, have you been living under a rock? The market has doubled and tripled in some areas because of “flippers.” Any correction was inevitable.

    1996 United States campaign finance controversy – “Seventeen people were eventually convicted for fraud or for funneling Asian funds into the United States elections. A number of the convictions came against longtime Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees.” (Wikipedia)

    Anyone remember Whitewater?

    Clinton’s National Security advisor Sandy Berger illegally removed highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroyed some of them.

    Former CIA Director John M. Deutch was caught improperly storing highly classified defense documents on his personal computer in 1999. Mr. Deutch, who agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified documents, was pardoned by Mr. Clinton in January 2001, before a sentence was imposed.

    Marc Rich – “On January 20, 2001, only hours before leaving office, President Bill Clinton granted Rich an extremely controversial presidential pardon. Since Rich’s former wife and mother of his 3 children, socialite Denise Rich, had made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Bill Clinton’s time in office.” (Wikipedia)

    Remember the DMCA? – Yep, thank you Bill Clinton…

    As for getting into wars: Remember Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, and Haiti?

    “Don’t ask don’t tell” – Clinton
    “I Didn’t Inhale” …

    I could go on and on…

    Just providing some context to all this liberal hysterics here…


  333. John says:

    Too bad Lynn Cheney is lying for her torturous husband. I knew Lynn Cheney endorsed torture too. The entire Administration needs to be investigated for war crimes and impeached!


  334. JohninLondon says:

    The real White House site is http://www.whitehouse.gov

    http://www.whitehouse.org is a long-running spoof site.

    Go check


  335. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Common Sense (?)

    Please educate me, as I fail to see how those tidbits provide context to understanding Lynne Cheney’s comments on CNN.

    To me they seem out of context partial truths and innuendoes, highly reminiscent of Republican attack ads.

    And you finish with a highly conclusory and unsupported statement regarding “liberal hysterics.” Please cite specific examples of which comments are both liberal and hysterical.

    Oh, I know, such analytical skills are beyond your ken. And you’ve already been such a good lap-dog to your master. I wonder, how does it feel to be living proof against the theory of Intelligent Design?


  336. greg says:

    What a whack job she is. She brings up other issues besides her book then rags on hapless Wolf on why they’re not talking about her book. He should have taken her head on. She’s rude and completely delusional. She say s they inherited a recession, which wasn’t true, yet forgets to include that they inherited a huge surplus which they quickly squandered.


  337. Make Them Accountable / Culture of Hypocrisy says:

    [...] [Think Progress has the video.—Caro] [...]


  338. katy says:

    That is a fake site, as has been pointed out several times before here
    Comment by JohninLondon — October 28, 2006 @ 5:18 pm
    x 2

    yep, that’s why i highlighted the “org”…

    david k. #347 wanted the link to MRS. CHENEY’S LITERARY MASTERPIECE
    http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/sisters.asp
    .


  339. Zooey says:

    Still riding this thread, eh?


  340. katy says:

    why not? … who?


  341. Zooey says:

    No reason no to, katy, just sayin’ hi.


  342. katy says:

    hello to you, zooey!
    just wasn’t sure who you were talkin’ to…


  343. Zooey says:

    Hi, katy. I was talking to you or whoever was still here!


  344. katy says:

    well, here we are… i’m gonna have to break away shortly…

    how are you liking the empty nest life?


  345. Zooey says:

    I’m loving the empty nest. I just have to learn to let them figure out this thing called life. Thanks. :)


  346. katy says:

    yea… and they can get real testy when you play “mom”… it’s real hard to turn off the mom button… for me, anyway…
    i don’t mean smothering, doting mom, just normal mom stuff… so you back off when told to and next thing you get a call and you get to be mom again… sweet!…
    this happens a lot more often with my daughter, of course…
    well, enjoy! you’re done with the biggest job, now it’s time for YOU!


  347. Zooey says:

  348. Common+Sense says:

    Briseadh na Faire;

    Is that the best you can do? Straw men and smoke screens…

    As our Brit friend said earlier in this thread, “kick the ball and not the player.”

    Apparently they do not teach this concept until 4th grade. Hang in there, you’ll get there soon enough ;-)


  349. Gary Bartanus says:

    I’m sorry, but your video is so chopped up with edits and context shifts that I could not finish looking at it. I had seen a lot of the content on CNN and it was obvious that you had cut out some key exchanges. I’m not sure whose side you guys are on, but it’s surely NOT on the side of accurate journalism. just a waste of time.


  350. Gary+Bartanus says:

    Well spoken, Briseadh na Faire! I think this site must be just another mouthpiece for the right wing zealots…


  351. rick s says:

    Republicans are asking the question, “Don’t you want America to win?” if you disagree with their policy of knownothingness.


  352. george says:

    Lynn: Choice scenes adapted from “Sisters” included one in which two female characters write to each other: “Let us go away together, away from the anger and the imperatives of men. We shall find ourselves a secluded bower where they dare not venture. There will be only the two of us, and we shall linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement.”

    Jim: Among the excerpts is a scene from the 2002 novel “Lost Soldiers,” in which a man embraces his four-year-old son and places the boy’s penis in his mouth.


  353. chimpeach says:

    #353 Common Dense

    North Korea – Clinton’s Failing

    How many nuclear warheads produced by North Korea under Bush I? How many under Clinton? How many under Bush II? Nice try.

    Stock market at all time high (Under Bush)

    Great news for the investor class (as opposed to the ever-shrinking middle class).

    Recession – Provided by Clinton – Don’t tell me Bush caused this after 2 months as president. Get a grip. The economy began softening months before President Bush took office.

    Well then, I guess Bush should have known better than to start cutting revenue from taxes and turning a huge surplus into an even bigger deficit. How much do we owe China and France now? And how much more are we going to borrow that our kids will have to pay back?

    Unemployment rate – 4.6%

    How much is it if you tally in all the people who have given up hope of finding another job? Do you have any figures for the people who lost jobs and are now employed at lower paying jobs with fewer or no benefits?

    Clinton’s response to Cole bombing and FIRST Trade Center bombing – Couple of cruise missles…

    A couple means “two”. Look it up. I don’t know of anyone else who rounds down from 50 to 2. Not real keen on math, huh?

    How many did Bush fire at bin Laden, since that’s what we’re talking about? Oh, that’s right. He doesn’t know where he is and he’s not real concerned about him. He decided to stop fighting the people who attacked us on 9/11 and to go invade Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11.

    #369
    Straw men and smoke screens…

    You don’t even know what that means. STFU.


  354. tim says:

    poor Mary. both parents are freaks…


  355. george says:

    Some logic textbooks define the straw man fallacy only as a misrepresented argument, however, carefully presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent’s argument is not always itself a fallacy. Instead, it restricts the scope of the opponent’s argument, either to where the argument is no longer relevant or as a step of a proof by exhaustion


  356. Briseadh+na+Faire says:

    Hi Zooey, Hi Katy!

    Common Sense sounds too much like Exley for my liking. But there is a commonality amongst the “trolls:” their lack of sense.

    Gotta go now, the Dixie Chicks’ Storytellers is on VH1!


  357. A. David Lafer says:

    Ms. Cheney’s self-righteous indignation seems to surface every election season. In the last election cycle, Ms. Cheney tried to rally her political base by calling John Kerry “A despicable man” for calling her adult daughter a lesbian.

    It just seems to me that Ms. Cheney’s comments have no news value. Consequently, I suggest that the press refuse to give her any more air or print time.


  358. WC says:

    Democrats claim that although they are critical of President Bush, they support our troops in Iraq. But they are liars.

    Comment by Vincent+Bemowski — October 28, 2006 @ 2:02 am

    Your words mean nothing, sir. Prove that the Democrats do not support our troops.

    Go check dailykos.com (you’ll have to look back a couple of days) and you will find posted a recent study that shows Democrats much more supportive of our troops based on their voting habits when it comes to legislation that would be beneficial to the troops.


  359. links for 2006-10-28 » Whatever’s Interesting says:

    [...] Think Progress » VIDEO: Lynne Cheney Unhinged On CNN (tags: Lynne_Cheney Politics CNN) [...]


  360. Common+Sense says:

    Briseadh+na+Faire

    As I anticipated, a little adversity and it’s cut-and-run time…


  361. WC says:

    Comment by Common Sense — October 28, 2006 @ 6:10 pm

    If I may jump in…

    North Korea – Clinton’s Failing

    Colin Powell wanted to continue Clinton’s policy which was working. Bush told him to drop it. You see the results.

    Clinton’s response to Cole bombing and FIRST Trade Center bombing – Couple of cruise missles…

    Clinton didn’t respond to the Cole bombing because he didn’t have proof that al Queda was responsible. I guess he could have invaded, oh, I don’t know, a country that had no ties to the Cole bombing, such as Africa, but you know…

    Anyway, soon after Bush took office he was given that proof. What was his response? He did nothing.

    Clinton was impeached…

    And your point is…?

    Andrew Johnson was impeached, too. As I recall, most of the charges against him were related to his violation of the Tenure of Office Act when he fired his Sec. of War, Edwin Stanton (the Act stated that he had to get Senate approval, which Johnson viewed as a violation of the separation of powers…so he bucked Congress). This was the “high crime and misdemeanor” part of it. In reality, Congress was pissed at him because he refused to cooperate or compromise over black rights and the reconstruction of Southern state governments. So we have a miffed Congress and a lie about a sexual act as the only reasons for impeaching a President. Your government at work.

    Oh, and to show how horrible Pres. Johnson was, in his hometown of nearby Greenville, TN, there is a walking tour of historical sites related to his life, a museum maintained by the National Park Service that details his life and presidency, and a highway and bank named for him.

    Enron, Global Crossing, Adelphia – All major corporate scandals under Clinton’s watch.

    Ken Lay was Bush’s buddy. You have seen all the notes showing communication between the two, haven’t you? I’m sure you also know that Bush lied about his relationship with Lay.

    Anyone remember Whitewater?

    You mean that land deal that occurred long before Clinton was President? And this affected America how? It affected his presidency how? Wait…he was convicted of criminal activity related to Whitewater, right?

    Speaking of remembrences, does Paula Jones ring a bell? You know, the woman who cried on TV when she described her “encounter” with Bill, then went and got herself a nose job and new hair style so she’d look good on TV. Oh, and let’s not forget the boob job that she showed off to the world in Playboy magazine. Maybe Clinton did go after her, but she sure wasn’t going to let that stand in the way of her 15 minutes of fame.

    Clinton’s National Security advisor Sandy Berger illegally removed highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroyed some of them.

    And National Archive personnel testified that they saw him take the documents from the premisis, yet did nothing to stop him. How f*king convenient.

    Former CIA Director John M. Deutch was caught improperly storing highly classified defense documents on his personal computer in 1999. Mr. Deutch, who agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified documents, was pardoned by Mr. Clinton in January 2001, before a sentence was imposed.

    And George Bush Sr. pardoned 6 people involved in the Iran-Contra affair before they went to trial. The Iran-Contra affair, as I recall, was carried out in defiance of Congress’ wishes.

    As for getting into wars: Remember Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, and Haiti?

    And remember that Republican members of Congress demanded a timetable for withdrawal and a plan for victory. Also, Republican members of Congress who were against these wars declared that they could indeed support the troops even thought they did not support the President.

    Hey, I could go on and on, too.


  362. Scout Finch says:

    She behaved like a nasty drunk! As a matter of fact she also looked like a drunk. She lied about her book, lied about Bush doing a great job and lied about CNN. She’s one twisted SOB, I guess she heas to be being married to such a scumbag.


  363. Bruce Gorton says:

    WC: The slapdown of this liar should do like this:

    Oh boy… Hardly know where to start…

    North Korea – Clinton’s Failing

    Even though the nukes were attained under GW Bush. Yeah, that is reeaally Clinton’s fault.

    Clinton was impeached… For Lying under oath…

    About getting a blowjob. Yeah like that really had an impact over the price of eggs.

    Stock market at all time high (Under Bush)

    Only if you don’t adjust for inflation and look back seven years, to, you know, Clinton’s reign.

    Recession – Provided by Clinton – Don’t tell me Bush caused this after 2 months as president. Get a grip. The economy began softening months before President Bush took office.

    Actually it was due to Bush – like somebody pointed out: Cut Taxes -> Economy plugs, maybe you shouldn’t have cut taxes.

    Unemployment rate – 4.6% (Rate in France for comparison – 9.0%)

    1: France uses a different formula to work it out.
    2: The unemployment rate is pretty meaningless when you consider that wages have not gone up under Bush at all, while inflation has steadily grown.

    During the Clinton administration, vast sums were taken from the Social Security and Federal Highway Trust Funds to the budget so that Clinton could take “credit” for balancing the budget.

    Actually it was so that America could pay its debts and not end up with the biggest inflation adjusted deficits since WWII. 2004 was the third worst inflation adjusted deficit in America’s history, and it had neither the Manhatten project or rebuilding the American navy to excuse it.

    Clinton raided the Aviation Trust Fund using some of the $10 billion it collects annually on federal deficit-reduction instead of airport and other aviation needs. Perhaps this money could have been used Airports to improve security prior to 9/11???

    Link please, I seriously suspect that you are a lying douchebag because…

    Clinton’s response to Cole bombing and FIRST Trade Center bombing – Couple of cruise missles…

    50=/=2 and also, the FIRST WTC bombers were all caught, including the guys who plotted and funded it.

    Enron, Global Crossing, Adelphia – All major corporate scandals under Clinton’s watch.

    Enron broke in 2001. Well after Clinton’s reign. Check the Wikipedia timeline. Oh yeah, and as I have worked in Auditing, I do not blame the government for being fooled by one of the biggest and most trusted names in Auditing at that time; I just figure it was an indictment of the fact that the big five were not really any good.

    Global Crossing died in 2002. Well within Bush’s first term, look it up in Wikipedia. Adelphia was the same year. Look it up in Wikipedia.

    So would you like to revise your lies?

    Housing market – Um, have you been living under a rock? The market has doubled and tripled in some areas because of “flippers.” Any correction was inevitable.

    Wait a little while. About 2 months after the elections that market is going to crash. The elections are distorting things right now, wait till you see what is really happening.

    1996 United States campaign finance controversy – “Seventeen people were eventually convicted for fraud or for funneling Asian funds into the United States elections. A number of the convictions came against longtime Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees.” (Wikipedia)

    And a number of them went to Republicans too if I recall correctly. Needless to say the Democrats have cleaned up their act since.

    Anyone remember Whitewater?

    A quote from Wikipedia:

    Three separate inquiries found that the Clintons did not participate in any criminal conduct.[2]

    Clinton’s National Security advisor Sandy Berger illegally removed highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroyed some of them.

    He removed copies, not the originals so destroying them wouldn’t exactly have proven productive now would it? If you want to see what he removed, once they are declassified go and look them up. The originals are still there.

    Former CIA Director John M. Deutch was caught improperly storing highly classified defense documents on his personal computer in 1999. Mr. Deutch, who agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified documents, was pardoned by Mr. Clinton in January 2001, before a sentence was imposed.

    So?

    Marc Rich – “On January 20, 2001, only hours before leaving office, President Bill Clinton granted Rich an extremely controversial presidential pardon. Since Rich’s former wife and mother of his 3 children, socialite Denise Rich, had made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Bill Clinton’s time in office.” (Wikipedia)

    which required him to pay a $100 million fine before the charges would be dropped.

    Oh, and from the same article on Wikipedia:

    Most recently, Marc Rich was linked to former United States Vice Presidential Chief of Staff Lewis “Scooter” Libby. Libby served as Rich’s lawyer as far back as 1985 and charged him US$2 million for legal fees.

    Remember the DMCA? – Yep, thank you Bill Clinton…

    The DMCA criminalises taking measures to circumvent copyright protections in software. So yes, thankyou Bill Clinton for making the theft of intellectual property (Also known as software piracy) that much easier to combat.

    As for getting into wars: Remember Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, and Haiti?

    Remember how few US troops were used in all of the above.

    “Don’t ask don’t tell” – Clinton
    “I Didn’t Inhale” …

    I could go on and on…

    The first quote predates Clinton, and the second, well, so the guy was a bit of a wuss? He was a wuss who was good at his job. Nobody ever claimed Clinton was perfect.

    Just providing some context to all this liberal hysterics here…

    Comment by Common Sense — October 28, 2006 @ 6:10 pm

    Just pointing out that anybody who can just type the names into Wikipedia can see that you are a dumbass, and a liar.


  364. its about time» Blog Archive » links for 2006-10-28 says:

    [...] Think Progress » VIDEO: Lynne Cheney Unhinged On CNN Almost as scary as her heartless husband. (tags: cheney usa america interview scary) [...]


  365. Bruce+Gorton says:

    Oh, and the completed paragraph Common Sense was quoting from.

    On January 20, 2001, only hours before leaving office, President Bill Clinton granted Rich an extremely controversial presidential pardon. Since Rich’s former wife and mother of his 3 children, socialite Denise Rich, had made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Bill Clinton’s time in office, Clinton’s critics alleged that Rich’s pardon had been bought. Clinton explained his decision by noting that similar situations were settled in civil, not criminal court, and cited the clemency pleas from Israeli government officials, including Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Federal Prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate. She stepped down before the investigation was finished and was replaced by James Comey. Though Comey was critical of Clinton’s pardons, he could not find any grounds on which to indict him.

    Quite different to:

    Marc Rich – “On January 20, 2001, only hours before leaving office, President Bill Clinton granted Rich an extremely controversial presidential pardon. Since Rich’s former wife and mother of his 3 children, socialite Denise Rich, had made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Bill Clinton’s time in office.” (Wikipedia)

    So yeah, I feel quite confident calling Common Sense a liar.


  366. stevek says:

    If anyone has a copy of “sisters”, please publish some of the choice paragraphos. Only when Lynne is confronted with her own writings will she be publicly shown to be a liar


  367. JohninLondon says:

    If anyone had found explicit sex scenes in any Lynne Cheney book they would have been all over the Net by now.

    A reasonable presumption is that there ain’t any. She was absolutely categoric with Blitzer about this – she ain’t so dumb as to risk flat proof the pther way.

    Meanwhile Tradesports is showing a preponderance of betting recently against the Dems on key individual House and Senate races – seats that were thought previously to be “in the bag”. The generic national polls are not a good guide to 7 Nov results, even ignoring the known over-sampling of Dem voters in many of those polls.

    Polls of individual states, individual races, are what matters. That’s what the evil Karl Rove will be focussing on. eg as listed each day, state by state, at realclearpolitics.com

    So some of you good folks here might want to hedge your bets with the odd flutter at Tradesports. Better to back a few likely candidates now overtaking, eg Allen in VA, Corker in Tennessee and Talent in Missouri. And Mark Steele looks am interesting outside bet for Maryland, also Burns in Montana could provide a well-paying surprise. “Follow the money” – watch where the betting looks heavy in recent days as the campaign draws to a close.

    A few dollars won on GOP “outsiders” would be a nice offset to any possible nasty hangover on 8 Nov.

    Tradesports are showing that Dems do NOT look likely to win Senate control – but could get marginal control of the House.

    Happy Days !


  368. Zooey says:

    Yeah, Rogerx2, thanks. If you’re in London, UK, who gives a shit? I hope you have all your bets laid out…


  369. JohninLondon says:

    I have no clue who the Roger guy is. Someone misused my name the other night and mentioned his. Seemed a cheap trick.

    My main bets are on my kids.

    What’s with the “if you’re in London”? It’s just another big city.


  370. Glenn Becker says:

    The funniest yoking of two words ever: “Bush’s analysis.”


  371. Think Progress » CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Calls Out Lynne Cheney For ‘Sniping At My Patriotism’ says:

    [...] On Friday, Lynne Cheney repeatedly attacked CNN for having a liberal bias during a combative appearance on the Situation Room. At one point, she criticized CNN for “running terrorist tapes, terrorists shooting Americans” and asked Wolf Blitzer, “Do you want us to win?” She also repeatedly asked Blitzer to end his line of questioning and focus on her new children’s book. [...]


  372. Bruce Gorton says:

    JohninLondon

    Just reading your argument, it looks like you don’t actually care about the issues. You seem only to care that the GOP win.

    That is the difference between Liberal and Neocon, Liberals care more about the issues then the candidate: We don’t really care if our top guy is likeable, or if he has a pleasing camera presence or seems like a good guy to have a beer with. We joke about all of that, but what we care about is what he will do about governmental corruption, oversight, out of control congressional spending (Funny that you now have to rely on liberals to point out you are spending too much) and making sure government does its job.

    The Republicans have made grand promises, but when the time has come to deliver, what has America gotten? Phantom fences, under-funded school programmes, and lots and lots of pork. Instead of high taxes Americans now have high debts, which leaves them at the mercy of foreign interest rates. Instead of a strong industrial sector with well paying jobs, Americans now have low paying service sector part time jobs.

    Instead of paying taxes to get various government services, Americans are now paying taxes for a meaningless war in Iraq, less social welfare and a government which is planning on breaking its contract with the old via privatising social security. Anyone who has ever read up on any firm going bankrupt knows why that is not a good idea. Instead of having a government which reassures them of their safety, they have one that seeks to intimidate them into not voting.

    Instead of having a healthy educational sector, America now has creationism in the classrooms, and medical waste being reckoned on as being more human life then foreigners. Instead of a just and equitable system of checks and balances, America now has a president that can declare anyone a alien illegal combatant, arrest them and kill them without letting them see the evidence against them – all in secret.

    The times are changing. Americans now save less then before, and their costs are going up. The housing bubble is looking increasingly unstable, the stockmarket is looking shaky, the war in Iraq is increasingly looking like the sort of mistake you don’t let someone make twice. The debt has doubled under Bush.

    Americans aren’t struggling, but they aren’t looking as good as they did six years ago, and they certainly are starting to think.


  373. Zooey says:

    I have no clue who the Roger guy is. Someone misused my name the other night and mentioned his. Seemed a cheap trick.

    Fair enough. My apologies for any of us doing that to you. Trolls have hijacked my name on several occasions, usually with pretty vile results. It’s not right to pull that shit.

    What’s with the “if you’re in London”? It’s just another big city.
    Comment by JohninLondon

    It seems awfully important to you that the Republicans retain power in this country. Why?


  374. Glenn+Becker says:

    “It seems awfully important to you that the Republicans retain power in this country. Why?”

    A steady stream of “analyses” by George W. Bush is better … for business, I’d guess.

    Yessss, my precioussss … untrammeled, unmonitored, unregulated … businesssss.

    What care we if the atmosphere of the planet is stripped away or poisoned, the Earth turned to a paved-over hell, so long as we are in the minority wealthy enough to purchase shelter?


  375. JohninLondon says:

    Zooey

    Because I am ex-RAF, have lived a long time now and I really think the whole of the West is under threat. I don’t believe it is “all America’s fault” – the wellspring of jihad is jihad itself, it is central to the belief system of a militant and increasingly numerous strain of Islam. Maybe we see it a bit closer on the streets of London day by day. The London bombings were nothing like as dire as 9/11, of course – but they were by HOME-GROWN fanatics who despise us and simply want to attack the West.

    And as an Aussie by origin I recall Bali x 2 – and as I travel a lot I think of Madrid, Morocco, Thailand, Egypt, etc etc etc. Thousands of incidents worldwide, often against other Muslims but also treating the West as inferior and fair game.

    I don’t see the UK Tory Party properly recognising the global scale and depth of this threat, let alone our wishy-washy Liberal party. And under present leadership I really don’t think the Dems do either. I suppose by nature I would be a Lieberman Dem, not a Pelosi/Dean/Kerry Dem.

    The idea that Bush is a comic is plain dumb, and basing too much of a party on hatred of one’s opponent is dumb too. It misunderestimates him ! And the notion that Bush is destroying American feedoms also looks to me to be hyped. Serious times call for serious counter-measures. Appeasement, retreat and softly-softly treatment of worldwide terrorism will simply encourage the other side to see us as weak, vacillating and worthy of yet more attacks.

    You may not agree with this. But you asked a serious question – this is a seriously-held answer.

    And if you want the answer in video form, here’s a new set of films that help explain what we are up against :

    http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/28/video-obsession/

    Its a bit like the 1930s. Either we recognise and face up to the threats, or they will catch us anyway. I don’t think Jack and Robert Kennedy would take the Kerry et al line.


  376. Glenn+Becker says:

    “Its a bit like the 1930s.”

    Yes, indeed it is.



  377. Zooey says:

    Thanks, JohninLondon. We agree on many points, but our conclusions differ.

    Sorry, but I have dial-up, so video is out of the question. Thanks for the link, though.


  378. Glenn+Becker says:

    “The idea that Bush is a comic is plain dumb, and basing too much of a party on hatred of one’s opponent is dumb too. It misunderestimates him ! And the notion that Bush is destroying American feedoms also looks to me to be hyped. Serious times call for serious counter-measures.”

    John -

    It is difficult to believe that you have spent much time watching or listening to the clown we are currently moaning under over here. Perhaps you are right: “clown” is wrong — there is nothing comic about Bush, although his hideous malapropisms might appeal in some strange way to someone well read in Shakespeare or Dickens. There is nothing comic about the fact that the President of the United States is a moron, and it is difficult to escape coming to that conclusion (at least it is for me) if you spend any time whatsoever listening to him speak. It is an embarrassment.

    As for your “serious times” statement, at the risk of having Godwin’s Law read against me, I can counter each “this is like the Nazis” statement you make, only from a perspective I doubt you intend. Perhaps the next “serious counter-measure” will involve deporting or otherwise silencing all the “degenerate” artists?


  379. JohninLondon says:

    The real deal on Lynne Cheney’s “Sisters” , including a link to the PDF of the entire text :

    http://occhronicle.blogspot.com/2006/10/wolf-cant-research-dem-talking-points.html

    What part of “No Explicit Sex” don’t people understand ? If there was any Lynne Cheney smut, it would have been outed by now. Blitzer made a fool of himself parroting the DNC talking points – don’t CNN have any researchers ?


  380. JohninLondon says:

    People who think Bush is a moron needs their IQ’s tested.

    As it happens I spent an hour listening to an MP3 of him chatting in the Oval Office last week to some journalists :

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/archives/061025/an_interview_wi_1.htm#more

    I also watched his public appearance last week.

    Didn’t sound like any kind of moron to me. Yes, he sometimes seems tongue-tied at Press Conferences – but the real question is – is he a CEO, does he work hard at the job, is he seriously watching out for the US ? And above all – does he have any real vision ?

    There are all manner of criticisms of Bush. Too lax on spending. too lax on illegal immigration when it hurts the ordinary working guy, sometimes too trusting of foreign statesmen like Putin and Chirac. But moron he is not.

    This article today is from another of the journalists at the Oval Office session last week :

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/114966,CST-EDT-steyn29.article


  381. JetRanger says:

    First of all, the ENTIRE BUSH/CHENEY Adminstration is a “FRAUD”!!!! 2.The ENTIRE BUSH/CHENEY Adminstration is “CORRUPT” !!!!!! BUSH is a LIAR, CHENEY is a LIAR and so is Rumsfield and CONDOM RICE !!!! The people of this country and many US Troops and they’re famlies are sick and Fed Up with this Bush Adminstration,, I for one, will be Damn Glad when somebody with some political clout , will power or a group of people have the Balls to make a Stand against this Bush Adminstration, and start the “IMPEACHMENT-PROCESS” of the Fraudulent and Corrupt Officials who now hold office in Washington !!!! I just read in Fridays NY. Times that now,,,, there are a group of Business leaders, who trying to get BUSH to roll back the SARBANES Oxley Act, so that Corportations can’t be Investigated or sued by the Government, and that Stock Holders and Employees can’t sue,,, they’re mainly trying to get protection in cases like ENRON, WORLDCOM, TYCO, ARTHUR ANDERSON and the like,,,, People its way past time to quit sitting on our asses and time to start demonstrating and protesting against this Corrupt Abusive and Arrogrant Adminstration !!!!! Take back our Country from the EVIL CROOKS and Fraudsters !!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  383. Bruce+Gorton says:

    I would read through the whole book but frankly, if that can get published it gives all aspiring authors new hope because they will publish anything.

    The attempted rape is in there BTW. The reason why it isn’t very explicit is because, judging from what I read, Lynne Cheney just isn’t good enough to generate any imagery, sexual or otherwise.


  384. josie says:

    In regard to Bruce+Gorton’s excellent post #386: nice work to note that Common Sense had yanked the quotation about Marc Rich out of context. I teach college freshmen to do research (and have taught high school freshmen the same); any student who pulled a stunt like that would not pass my class. However, clearly standards of research obvious to teenagers go out the window in the Karl Rove universe.

    What I can’t imagine is why this small band of Clinton haters persist in trashy a man who has been, after all, out of office for 6 years. Since then, the Bush administration waited 8 months and 12 days to get serious about bin Laden. They used 9/11 as a front to launch an invasion they had been talking about since Bush 41; they argued against a 9/11 commission to investigate the worst attack on the continental U.S. They went to war in Iraq without adequate troops for the occupation–and of course got rid of the general who told them they needed more. They outsourced what used to be military jobs to civilian contractors without bids, to the detriment of the military and to the taxpayers who might as well just sign over their paychecks to Halliburton; they have allowed their contractors to provide substandard services to our military and to ignore military and civilian law. They have seized, imprisoned, and tortured prisoners against international law, while at the same time expanding the president’s power at the expense of our Constitutional guarantees against government intrusion, including the rights of habeus corpus, a speedy trial, and an opportunity to face our accusers. They have weaseled, waffled and lied about why they invaded Iraq as well as their intention to establish a “friendly” (puppet) government that will allow massive permanent military bases–in other words, a permanent occupation. They have “spun” the news, planted a reporter at the White House press briefings, paid for propaganda here and abroard, and then whined like babies about Michael Moore (who was right about pretty much everything) and any journalist who operates in the reality-based world.

    But here’s the kicker: when the citizens of New Orleans were stranded on rooftops, drowning, stranded without food, water or shelter, while the rest of the country watched in shock and agony: Bush went to bed at his accustomed 9:30; his handlers had to wake him up and show him a video summary of what the rest of us had been watching since the levees broke. Cheney was on vacation and stayed there. Condoleeza Rice shopped for shoes and went to a broadway show.

    But people like Common Sense want to rehash Bill Clinton’s sex life and some marginal real estate deal that didn’t make anywhere near as much as W’s brother made from peddling education materials to districts in Texas (or, for that matter, what that same brother cost ordinary people in the Silverado savings and loan debacle.) George Bush could go to sleep without a second thought while an American city was destroyed and its residents died on the streets. Here’s some real common sense: there is something horribly wrong with these people, and we will be lucky to survive two more years with them in charge.


  385. big dave from queens says:

    Two comments on the Lynne Cheney interview.

    1. Blitzer is a republican shill. This was a setup. Wolf never challenged her claims.

    2. She is such a liar that she lied about her Lesbian Lovers book. It did not matter to Lynne Cheney that anybody could simply read the passages in her book (in her own words) to see that she was lying. She’s truly a sick woman.


  386. terri says:

    All that really matters is that the Cheney’s have made money hand over fist. They don’t have to be right. They don’t have to be smart. They don’t have to protect you. They don’t have to win the war on terra.

    They’ll be laughing all the way to the south american bank.


  387. rich says:

    Tack the political bias by news sites here:

    http://qs1337.pair.com/lti2/politrack

    score so far:
    Of 116 news items by 3 news channels-
    63 favor the Dems
    7 Favor Republican
    46 are neutral


  388. josie says:

    Maybe it isn’t so much “favoring the Dems” as noting, correctly, that a) the country, currently being controlled by Republicans in the White House and a Republican majority in Congress, is a mess. Simply reporting the facts out of Iraq is a negative for the Republicans. Thus, the story is that their majority is in trouble. If the Democrats were running behind in the polls, all you would be reading about is how they could screw up a one-car funeral.

    Even mainline conservatives are “favoring” the Democrats–was it the most recent National Review in which conservatives (Joe Scarborough was one) said the Republicans SHOULD lose the majority?

    Incumbency is very powerful, but it can also be a huge disadvantage when the country is clearly going in the wrong direction (e.g., Jimmy Carter in 1980–with a little help from an arms-for-hostages “October surprise.”) When a party is in power, it has to govern, and then it has to run on its record. Like it or not.


  389. Brett says:

    Did I catch that right? Did she say that the Administration started off and fought through a recession? How was the economy exactly right before their claim to office?


  390. usefullidiot says:

    Hey #410,
    maybe you don’t remember when Slick sicked Jan the man and the justice department on Gates which triggard the plunge of the NASDAQ. Billy Gates wasn’t bellying up to the bar. All inherited by the currant admin. Lynne Chaney has a strong sexiness that I saw in Maggie Thatcher. Strong conservitive women make me stand up and pay attention!!!!!!


  391. James Wachai says:

    That was quite a marvelous interview. Wolf keep up pinning folks down. It’s good for the world.
    GMO Africa Blog


  392. Think Progress » Cheney: Lynne gave Wolf Blitzer ‘the slapdown.’ says:

    [...] In an interview today with Fox News, Vice President Cheney said his wife’s combative recent CNN appearance was “great” and “very accurate,” adding, “We refer to it around the house as the slapdown.” Watch it: var flvchenslap320240 = new SWFObject(’/wp-content/plugins/flvplayer.swf?file=http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/flv/2006/10/chenslap.320.240.flv&autoStart=false’, ‘em-flvchenslap320240′, ‘320′, ‘260′, ‘6′, ‘#ffffff’); flvchenslap320240.addParam(’quality’, ‘high’); flvchenslap320240.addParam(’wmode’, ‘transparent’); flvchenslap320240.write(’flvchenslap320240′); [...]


  393. Truthdetector says:

    Cheney’s book described a love affair. webb’s book describes in lurid detail sex acts including a man sodomizing his own son, and a stripper cutting banannas with her privates. Of course, this pathetic site cannot see the difference.


  394. juandos says:

    A most outstanding bitch slapping put on the seditious, parasitic punk Blitzer of CNN…

    I’m betting the short bus riding lib-tards on this site think (which is a rather broad assumption that they can) Blitzer held his head high with dignity…


  395. VRWConspirator says:

    Cheney kicked Blitzer’s butt but good. Way to go Lynn! I just wish the Republican men had the spine of the Republican women.


  396. r kelly says:

    fu liberals. this isnot the full interview. fu fu you r gunna loose fu fu fu fu fu



  397. Former Republican says:

    6 years of GOP control of congres, and we have:

    NO secure borders
    NO imigration reform
    NO social security reform

    Vote NO on the GOP November 7th.


  398. The Ghost of Jacob Marley says:

    How brave you all are to post on your safe little spot here on the big old Web about how rotten and evil the Cheneys are! There are things going on in the world that you cannot and will not even try to understand. You all pretend to know better than anyone else on the face of the planet on how do cure ills, fix social security, combat terrorism, end global warming, etc. and yet, you never post your ideas. Why is that? Why is it that all you can do is try to come up with clever sayings like, “The Three little GOPigs” or, “reichwing troll.” Yeah, comparing the Republican party to the Nazis is so passe. Get a new line, puh-leeze! That one is getting old. Especially given that it’s the left that wants to silence those that don’t agree with them! For the most part, liberals are made up of those that can’t leave the sixties behind, those that wish that were alive in the sixties and none of you can grow up. Sophmoric and childish you all are – at best! Oh, and by the way, I’m a cut and run kind of guy like you all are too. Only my cut and run only means that I won’t be back to this silly little Website to see all the hatred and vitriolic comments that you will, no doubt, be directing at me. Bahahaa! Foam and flail you losers!


  399. Brad says:

    Not at all surprsing coming from the DNN. Democratic News Network. No wonder your listnership is slipping.


  400. Misty says:

    Lynne Cheney was right on in her assessment of Bill Clinton’s legacy. If those of you who deny that Bill Clinton was responsible for the 2001 recession would do your homework then you would realize that Mrs. Cheney is correct. In 1999, Bill Clinton pressed OPEC to raise oil prices in order to finance the Chechnyan war. The reason he did this was that he needed Russia’s help resolving the Kosovo conflict.

    However, this backfired & he was unable to aid Boris Yeltsin directly. Clinton used OPEC to supply Russia with increased energy profits and, by doing so, indirectly funded corruption by the Soviet state run company. In addition to the Soviet corruption, these oil sales also helped our good friend in Iraq, Saddam Hussein, re-arm his military with an air defense system. This “brilliant” move by Clinton is now seen as the contributing factor to the recession.

    Under Bush’s tax cuts, our economy is thriving again, which is amazing (as Lynne Cheney pointed out) despite 9/11, Hurricane Katrina & the fact that we are currently involved in 2 wars. Quite simply, Republicans are clearly more capable of handling our economy & providing homeland security than the Democrats. I admire Mrs. Cheney for pointing out to Wolf Blitzer what is obvious to so many Americans regarding CNN’s liberal bias. The fact that CNN showed Al Qaeda’s surveillance footage of U.S. soldiers & subsequently showed footage of a U.S. soldier being killed as a result is appalling. What if their family was watching & realized they just witnessed their son’s death on CNN? It is inconceivable that they would air such a horrendous segment solely for ratings.

    Regarding the Iraq war, our presence there was not only to provide Democracy to the people & remove Saddam from power, we are also there to keep an eye on Iran’s nuclear ambitions. This was planned before we invaded Iraq, we couldn’t have possibly had broad access to Iran had Saddam remained in power. Also, by promoting a democracy in Iraq, the Iranian people may desire the same freedoms as their neighbors and attempt to oust their leader themselves.

    I cringe at the thought of the Democrats gaining control of the House & Senate, or worse, the Presidency in ‘08. The Democrats will attempt to raise taxes in order to trim the deficit. However, this will backfire. Bush’s tax cuts are well on their way to trimming the deficit. If the Democrats also try to cut the military presence in Iraq, there will most certainly be a civil war in that region. The Iraqi police & military are not yet equipped to handle the insurgency and the situation will escalate. This would create more enemies for the U.S. because we would be seen by the world as abandoning the Iraqi people. Please people think before you vote Democratic!!!


  401. Ray says:

    Most of the comments on this site are truly frightening – mostly in their very distorted and unbelievably biased perspective. Do you guys really believe what you’re saying? This is scary stuff. I think John Kerry was wrong – not all the dumb people got stuck in Iraq. Oh, I forgot. That was a joke.

    Look out for the black helicopters. They’re coming – or have you all moved on to other things now.


  402. Aime says:

    I am so sick and tired of both sides down grading each other, what happen to the idea of what they will do for the people and for the world. Right now they are all a bunch of scumbags. If the people would take a good look at both parties and see what they were like 60 years ago you would say the demo’s are now taken the Rep possition and the Rep’s the Demo’s. I used to vote Demo, but now I vote for who puts out the least trash. Right now if you vote in the Demo’s your take home pay will be less that is just the way it is, tax tax. Wake up people wake up.


  403. don cornell says:

    You guys are truly frightening with your sixth-grade Michael Moore political philosophty. Bravo to Lynne Cheney for smacking CNN for their biased reporting.


  404. jason says:

    Good for her

    You dem are out of touch, and she set you straight.wolf was trying to bait her and she would not take it, GOOD FOR HER.



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