Sen. Allen On Assault Of Constituent: ‘Things Like That Happen’
Sen. Allen On Assault Of Constituent: ‘Things Like That Happen’
CNN just reported the incident in Charlottesville, VA, today where blogger Mike Stark was assaulted by supporters of Sen. George Allen (R-VA). One of CNN’s affiliates asked Allen for comment on the incident, and CNN reported that he responded, “Things like that happen.”
Stark is not, as CNN reported, a “protester.” He is a constituent who was trying to ask Allen a question. Watch it:
Transcript:
CNN: This is something you have to see, Kyra. We saw Dana Bash’s story dealing with Senator George Allen. He’s making news yet again. This time involving a protester. Take a look at the video. He was campaigning in Charlottesville and a protester came up on him, wanted to talk to him. And you’ll see what happens next.
STARK: He’s my senator. I’m asking a question.
ALLEN SUPPORTER: You going to need to leave, now. Get out the door.
STARK: Are you part of the –
ALLEN SUPPORTER: No I’m not. No, I’m not at all. Let’s move on.
STARK: Senator, did you spit on your first wife.
ALLEN SUPPORTER: Oh now you’re getting personal. Now you’re getting personal. Now you’re getting personal.
STARK: I didn’t touch anybody.
ALLEN SUPPORTER: You need to move him on out of here, now.
STARK: If the hotel asked me to leave, I’d leave.
CNN: So there you have it. A protester trying to get close to Senator George Allen as he was leaving a speaking event. In fact, he was leaving one part of the hotel trying to get to another part to speak with the media when that man approached him. As you can see, Allen’s people tackled him to the ground. Some may call it manhandling him. But when asked a little bit later by one of our affiliates there in Charlottesville about what the Senator thought about what had just happened, he says “things like that happen, obviously.” A very interesting day for him, no doubt. No word on any injuries or anything like that. But obviously, something that you don’t see all the time. And just leads to more controversy surrounding Senator George Allen.
Sort Comments By: Top Rated | Date
Things like that happen in the world of chunkheaded racists.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:54 pmI live in Albany, NY — where Mike Stark resided up until a few months back. He gave us Albany types much pride with his daily calls to Hannity and Rush and Wilkow (local chump who now has a show on Sirius). Our local alternative news weekly did an article on Mike some time back. If anyone is interested, here it is.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:54 pmThat is great. I can’t watch it enough. The guy acted like an a-hole so he got treated like one.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:56 pmdo the NRA supporters in the house think it would’ve been ok for this guy to shoot the Allen supporters with a concealed handgun because they were threatening his personal space and safety? give us an honest answer, please, gun guys?
October 31st, 2006 at 3:56 pmWow, Happy+Guy really was proven right in his comments on the previus thread. That Mike Stark really deserved to have the shit beaten out of him.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:59 pmThat is great. I can’t watch it enough. The guy acted like an a-hole so he got treated like one.
Comment by Happy+Guy
Yeah Allen sure is an a-hole for. He should be treated to more questions.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:59 pmThings like “spitting on your ex-wife” happen?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:00 pm“Protester”? Is that how they refer now to what we used to call a “constituent”?
Hope the old bald guy didn’t scuff the shine on his jackboots.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:00 pmThat is great. I can’t watch it enough. The guy acted like an a-hole so he got treated like one.
Comment by Happy+Guy — October 31, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
You are acting like an a-hole right now. How do you think you should be treated?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:01 pmHave you no shame, Happy+Guy? I’m waiting for you to retract your comments on the last thread. We now know everything that occurred during the exchange, and Allen’s goons still come out looking like, well, goons.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:04 pmGoing out for a little ultra-violence this evening Happy+Guy? Taking your dragoons with you?
Really, you celebrate this? Should the White House press corps get their teeth kicked in for questioning Tony Snow?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:05 pmThe Republicans are working for the American people. We are paying his wages. He needs to answer the question this man asked him. If he lives in his district he is entitled to this. All Republican are arrogant.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:06 pmHmmm, you were treated to things you did not want to hear by me so you threaten me with violence? Pop me in the mouth?
Wow - you just proved my point. I provoked you and you responeded. Sound familiar :)
October 31st, 2006 at 4:07 pmPeople shouldn’t respond to Happy+Guy he’s another unpaid Limbaugh type. He’ll just end up crapping over everyone.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:09 pmJust like I thought. Republicans would sooner beat someone than walk away. These are the same guys that support torture. Looks like their fifth-grade educations are matched only by their fifth-grade attitudes towards others.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:13 pmOctober 31st, 2006 at 4:13 pm
ALLEN SUPPORTER: “Oh now you’re getting personal. Now you’re getting personal. Now you’re getting personal.” As he began to personally beat him.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:17 pmMacacaBoy and his macacaroaches lose their cool at the Roachmotel: film at eleven
October 31st, 2006 at 4:18 pmHappy Guy, go trick or treating. The grown-ups are talking now.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:18 pmAt the very least I would have knocked the dogshit out both of them including the old man. If they think they’re big enough to put me in a headlock they better be man enough to finish the job.
I hope these guys feel good about themselves. They got caught on national television acting like complete neanderthals. I hope they kill themselves out of a deep sense of shame before Nov. 7th.
“Hulk angry. Hulk smash.”
October 31st, 2006 at 4:19 pmIn fairness, if we just talked about other things and IGNORED HAPPY GUY…..Happy Guy wouldn’t be happy. He is just someone looking to pick a fight…..saying what he knows will get the goat. If he really wanted to debate, talk or share ideas…..he would go to someplace where they share his ideas. Instead, we keep it going…..but telling him how out of touch and ignorant are his thoughts. We are brighter and bolder than this. Let Happy Guy say what he wants…..after being IGNORED ENOUGH….HE WILL GO AWAY OR ATLEAST NOT BE SO HAPPY!!
October 31st, 2006 at 4:21 pmI think that maybe…possibly…Happy + Dude has been practicing the “abstinence til age 29″ thing too long.
See, I told you, too much pent up frustration causes extreme anger and stupidity.
My favorite from Happy “pent up” Dude….”I can call you names, but when you call me names back, I won! I won! I won! nana nana naaaana, Hillary’s got a big ol’ butt!”
Man, a 20 something virgin with debate skills like a 4th grader….I LOVE THIS SITE!!!
October 31st, 2006 at 4:21 pmThe funny thing about bullies is they always eventually come up against someone like me. I get a sick joy out of beating down bullies. Especially in front of their friends.
Bullies are, after all, cowards, which makes them gravitate towards authoritarian regimes.
Cowards vote Republican because they are really that scared of the cavemen.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:22 pmAccording to George Allen’s own sister, this thuggery is par for the course:
“Ever since my brother George held me over the railing at Niagara Falls, I’ve had a fear of heights.”
October 31st, 2006 at 4:23 pmPeejay, re: #28
October 31st, 2006 at 4:25 pmI agree, and normally I try to follow that rule (such as mighty aphterthough, or whatever her post name is)
But with the homophobes, or sexists (JMH), I just can’t resist, and besides…they are sooooooooooo easy
It looks like 1937 all over again.
I wonder when “Hollywood George” will issue the brown shirts and armbands to his stormtroopers?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:26 pmThis is funny, Happy Guy, the Foley pedophile defender is defending Allen now.
You lost all credibility when you defended Foley.
Defending Allen, you just sound like a nutbag
October 31st, 2006 at 4:28 pm#32 I hear you, but is it really fair to pick on the witless?? I know it’s fun, but is it fair…LOL
October 31st, 2006 at 4:29 pmHoly Macaca! What a video…
James Webb is a decorated war hero, a brilliant novelist and a statesman, and if there is a God, he will be elected to the Senate.
Chickenhawk George Allen who took a deferment instead of fighting in Vietnam can take his bag of dirty tricks and his back to his Confederate flag decorated home and dream about what could have been.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:29 pmThank you for confirming your support for facism.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:29 pmThis “heckler/protester/blogger/constituent” must have mistaken Sen. Allen for Rufus T. Firefly, King of Freedonia, and he called him an “upstart.” That’s one word that the Fireflys will not tolerate.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:32 pmThat’s the Republican way. If you disagree with them, beat the crap out of them.
Don’t like what your mother says? If you’re a Republican punch her lights out. You dad disagrees with you, kick him in the nuts and beat the crap out of him.
Diplomacy is for cowards. Republicans use their fists, not their arguments.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:32 pmHmmm, you were treated to things you did not want to hear by me so you threaten me with violence? Pop me in the mouth?
Wow - you just proved my point. I provoked you and you responeded. Sound familiar :)
Comment by Happy+Guy — October 31, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
So.. you condone three guys tackling one guy who’s asking a question? I just want to get this right.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:33 pmHere’s more from Allen’s sister’s book:
“What are you morons watching?” George asked as he changed the channel to Hee Haw. George loved Hee Haw. His favorite character was the big, slow-witted Junior. Junior tried to tell jokes yet always failed to remember the punch line. There was also something mildly country-thuggish about Junior that I think George felt akin to. (page 21-22)
We all obeyed George. If we didn’t, we knew he would kill us. Once, when Bruce refused to go to bed, George hurled him through a sliding glass door. Another time, when Gregory refused to go to bed, George tackled him and broke his collarbone. Another time, when I refused to go to bed, George dragged me up the stairs by my hair. George hoped someday to become a dentist. George said he saw dentistry as a perfect profession–getting paid to make people suffer. Instead, George became a lawyer and went into politics.(page 21-22)
Ever since my brother George held me over the railing at Niagara Falls, I’ve had a fear of heights. (page 43)
The last time we all watched a game together, George beat up Bruce, and Bruce beat up Gregory, and I bit my nails, and Mom screamed, “Stop, stop, stop!” and held a knife above her head and threatened to kill herself if we didn’t stop fighting. (page 77)
Dad would soon be named chairman of the Summer Jobs Program for needy youth in Washington. He thought all us kids should have jobs by now. None of us did. Not even George, who was about to enter his second year in college. (page 88)
George took out a plug of tobacco and stuffed it in his mouth. He growled up a thick wad of phlegm and spit it into his hand for the dogs to come lick. He was dressed like a character on Hee Haw–cowboy hat, flannel shirt, blue jeans, and boots. Mom admired him more than any of her other children. He got straight As even when he acted like a hick. She went to stroke her son’s strong arm, but he brushed her away with a loud burp. (page 162)
My brother George welcomed him [Jennifer’s new boyfriend Flynn] by slamming a pool cue against his head. (page 178)
My brother George sat with me for hours by the pool one day, measuring out parcels of his past [for Jennifer’s book], all the while reminding me to remain faithful to the facts. (page 239)
October 31st, 2006 at 4:33 pmRepublicans are cowards.
I’m not scared enough to vote Republican, are you?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:35 pmRepublicans use their fists, not their arguments.
Comment by Weaseldog
Actually, Republicans don’t use their own fists because most have never really fought. they will get someone else to do their dirty work
October 31st, 2006 at 4:37 pmI’d be filing assault charges and a multimillion dollar lawsuit so fast it would make Macacawitz’ head spin. This is AMERICA, you brownshirted nutjobs.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:41 pmSounds like this guy ambushed Allen and his entourage between events, got inappropriately close to him and asked him whether he ever spit on his ex-wife.
Tackling him was almost surely not appropriate, but Mike Stark was hardly just a “constituent trying to ask Allen a question”.
If I was walking to work and someone charged up to me and asked me that, I’d probably be a bit concerned too, and I’m just Joe Q Nobody, not a US Senator and potential Presidential candidate.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:44 pm“Things like that happen.†Uh, do they happen often?
I love the question, though: “Did you spit on your first wife?” Just your normal, ‘ask the candidate’-type question.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:48 pmRepublican supporters 2006 = nazi stormtroopers 1936. Only things missing are the brown shirts, jackboots, & swastikas.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:49 pm#45 - Do you consider Allen a potential 2008 Presidential candidate?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:49 pmJane,
October 31st, 2006 at 4:54 pmthat question musta really hit a nerve.
If someone had asked me that question, I would have responded “What the hell are you talking about?”
but then again, I’ve never spit on wife #1 (and the only #1!!!)
If I was walking to work and someone charged up to me and asked me that, I’d probably be a bit concerned too
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
Having their thugs rough up a trespasser is expected from people in organised crime rathen than from someone supposed to be a representative of the people.
Politicians are asked uncomfortable questions all the time. This response is well beyond what’s acceptable.
Since when do Americans tolerate, condone, and excuse the government’s use of physical force to silence uncomfortable questions from its citizenry?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pmdammit,
October 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pmI think Happy + Dude’s mom took his computer away. And it was so much fun taking turns doing the Happy + Dude bash.
Ah well, there’s always tomorrow
#45, EvilCornbread, yes, but would you grab two other people and tackle that person? I doubt it, that’s not the Joe Q Nobody’s first reaction.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pmAllen is no longer a potential Presidential candidate, thank God.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pmJust because a couple hundred people kiss your ass every day does not mean you are presidential material.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:57 pmI’m not scared enough to vote Republican, are you?
Not all. My britches aren’t pee stained.
Actually, Republicans don’t use their own fists because most have never really fought. they will get someone else to do their dirty work
Is that why Lieberman isn’t a card carry Republican yet?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:58 pm“Well which wife are you referring to, I didn’t spit on all of them”
October 31st, 2006 at 4:58 pm#48 - no, not really any more. He was certainly one of the very early presumed frontrunners for the Republican Nomination though, and might be again at some point. Who knows.
Not that that’s terribly relevant to the point I was making. This wasn’t just a case of an innocent dude asking a question and getting tackled. He jumped Allen between events, got all up in his face, and asked him a ridiculous and inappropriate question.
Feel free to use this to paint the Republicans as hot-tempered bullys, but don’t be surprised when it blows up in your face. As a Democrat, I know I sure don’t want this Stark whackjob representing me in any way, shape, or form.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:59 pmSounds like this guy ambushed Allen and his entourage between events, got inappropriately close to him and asked him whether he ever spit on his ex-wife.
Tackling him was almost surely not appropriate, but Mike Stark was hardly just a “constituent trying to ask Allen a questionâ€.
If I was walking to work and someone charged up to me and asked me that, I’d probably be a bit concerned too, and I’m just Joe Q Nobody, not a US Senator and potential Presidential candidate.
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
Then this was a perfect time for Allen to show us he WASN’T an asshole.
He could even have done something radical and answered the question directly.
Woops!
And by the way: EVERYONE is a constituent.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:00 pmFirst, ze attack ze opposition questioner. Next, ze blow up zee reichstag.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:00 pmHow do we know Allen “spit” on his wife, this is all a misunderstanding perpetuated by the liberal media. Allen did get bodily fluid on his wife, but it was an intimate, private moment.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:00 pmFirst of all if one of macaca’s goons put his hands on me, I’d make him the recipient of severe pain and what is it , with rightwingers they can’t seem to answer questions w/o racist comments, goon squads or staged events.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:01 pmThe guy should have put on a confederate uniform and macaca would have given him a hug.
#50 - if he’d asked that question calmly at a press event, I’m sure he wouldn’t have gotten the same response. He probably would have been ignored by Allen and asked to leave the event. Both of which are totally apprpriate for someone asking questions like that.
Problem is, it wasn’t just about the question, it was about being ambushed in a hallway by some guy who based on his question is pretty clearly a member of the radical left. Again, I’m not saying a tackle was appropriate, but let’s also not predent Stark politely raised his hand, asked a question, and got the Terry Tate treatment.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:02 pmDid he spit on his first wife? I am confused…
October 31st, 2006 at 5:04 pmAnd by the way: EVERYONE is a constituent.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:04 pmYes, I said he wasn’t JUST a “constituent trying to ask Allen a questionâ€. Please pay attention.
#38, I’m probably the only other person on this board that recognizes that reference.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:06 pmHe jumped Allen between events, got all up in his face, and asked him a ridiculous and inappropriate question.
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 4:59 pm
And Sen Allen showed his true colors when he let his thugs loose on Mr. Stark. However inappropriate the question might have been, Sen Allen crossed the line from representative to thug.
Feel free to use this to paint the Republicans as hot-tempered bullys, but don’t be surprised when it blows up in your face.
I think Republicans are doing a fine job at that all by themselves.
Why would it blow up on anyone’s face? Man you’re weird…
October 31st, 2006 at 5:07 pmE-Bread,
Yes there are 2 sides to every story. To an extent, that dude was asking for it.
In the end I would rather bag on Allen though.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:09 pmThis thread is not about troll distraction. It is about freedom of speech, and allen just handed Webb a victory. I like that and how about a fat law suit with video evidence.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:09 pmThe guy tried to make trouble and he got his trouble shoved right up his ass.
To me it was like watching the end of the movie “It’s a Wonderful Life”. A very satisfying ending.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:10 pmthe right……… always thinking about the butt
October 31st, 2006 at 5:13 pm#57, important distinction to make here. Allen is a Senator, Stark is a blogger. Allen is trying to get elected, stark is trying to get a big story by getting Allen to comment on an allegation. Given what has come out about Mr. Allen, does this really sound as ridiculous as it would have a year ago? How about when one considers that the divorce proceedings are sealed? Mr. Allen appeared in court twice in Ablemarle County, Virginia in the 70’s but won’t disclose what he was charged with. What about the fact that his own sister paints him as a Neanderthal who solved all arguments with beatings? Did you factor in that this blogger also asked Mr. Allen if he ever used a racial slur against African-Americans, weeks before acquaintances of Allen started saying publicly that he did?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:14 pmSatisfying endings are always a plus.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:16 pm#31 Angel - Thanks for reminding us of what a foul piece o’ feces Georgie has been, is and will always be.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:17 pm…Next, ze blow up zee reichstag.
Comment by Bluedog49 — October 31, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
They must have gone in reverse order because the latest American Reichstag was on 9-11-01; I’m waiting for the Reichstag that takes us into Iran. Any guesses on what it will be? Those ships doing maneuvers off the coast of Iran scream Tonkin and Maine.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:18 pmKerry lashes out after GOP furor over comments
October 31st, 2006 at 5:19 pmDeutsche Presse Agentur/RAW STORY
Senator and former presidential candidate John Kerry (D-MA) lashed out in a press conference today, stating that he would “apologize to no one” for what he contends was criticism of President George W. Bush. A video of Kerry’s remarks may be viewed below.
…
http://www.rawstory.com/ news/ 2006/ Kerry_Sick_of_GOP_attacks_from_1031.html
.
So George Allens Campaign now commits assaults on constituents?
Hope the Cops were called to arrest those 3 for assault. If you don’t like a person, you don’t assault him.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pmHey can I get this brownshirt with a white hood attached?
-Senator Macaca
October 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pmIHL,
You show the intellectual depth and cognitive ability of someone who that when they go out to dinner with their mother and their sister that the party can be accommodated with a table for two.
Hate is a self consuming abomination and you look about all used up. Good luck to you on that.
Peace.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:21 pm#80: Anyone have a link to video of the entire thing? I’ve only seen clips of the tackle/scuffle itself, but not what led up to it.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:22 pmIf you don’t like a person, you don’t assault him.
Comment by S.D. — October 31, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
You obviously havent read your Citizen’s Handbook. Off to Gitmo you go.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pm#66, TheToonGuy, no, you’re not! :-D Although my favorite Marx Brothers film is A Night at the Opera.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:25 pmOff topic, but here’s Kerry on Tony Snow’s demand for an apology:
“I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq,” rails Kerry, in the statement. “It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.”
“These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor,” the statement continues. “Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men. And this time it won’t work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions.”
He concluded his statement, “No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.”
October 31st, 2006 at 5:26 pmCornBread, why do you say that Stark “jumped” Allen? It’s not like he sprang at him out of the bushes or something. I think your choice of words there pretty much gives away your prejudice in the matter.
When word gets out that the guy Allen’s thugs wrestled to the ground is an ex-Marine who’s been willing to stand up to Hannity and O’Reilly on the phone, that’s going to look good.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:28 pmTackling may have been an overreaction, but who knows what Stark was going to do.
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
I see. Now you are casting aspersions, and unfounded speculations on what Stark was going to do.
I shouldn’t be surprised that you are all for preemptive strikes. Shoot first, ask questions later. Even if it’s obvious Mr. Stark was unarmed.
Like I said, I’d be pretty nervous/concerned if someone came up to me on the street and demanded I answer a question like that.
This was not a random question: There are allegations that Sen Allen did indeed spit on his ex-wife. Call it gossip, if you will. It was not an “unhinged” individual.
Although I don’t necessarily like asking approaching political figures and firing random questions like that (they accomplish little), I insist: Sen Allen’s response was way out of line.
If he was concerned for his security, he could have asked the police to search and (possibly) arrest Mr Stark. He didn’t. He wanted to give Mr. Stark “a lesson”, like any run-of-the-mill thug would do.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:29 pm#49, DRxJ, maybe Allen thought the question was “Did you SH*T on your first wife?”, you know, maybe it’s okay to spit on your first wife, but NOT to sh*t on her? :-)
October 31st, 2006 at 5:30 pm#85 Hi Jane….Only four months to pitchers and catchers.
Have to disagree with you….”Duck Soup” is the Marx Brothers’ masterpiece. But “A Night at the Opera” is indeed a classic.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:30 pmdoughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq,†rails Kerry, in the statement.
Comment by oxillini — October 31, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Damn, where was this guy in 2004? More people might have voted for him….
October 31st, 2006 at 5:30 pmAnd by the way: EVERYONE is a constituent.
Yes, I said he wasn’t JUST a “constituent trying to ask Allen a questionâ€. Please pay attention.
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
That wasn’t directed at you, and is besides the point I was making. The best argument I can find defending what Allens people did is “Well, the democrats do it.” Would you like some cheese with that whine?
To re-iterate, this was a perfect time to show people he was better than his opponent. I suppose I’m asking too much of politics.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:31 pmOxillini….these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country …Someone should remind Sen. Kerry that John McCain, who spent a heck of lot more time in Vietnam than Kerry and who has called on Kerry to apologize for his elitist insult of our troops, did indeed wear the uniform of our country.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:32 pmWassn’t stark asking him if he spits on his wife? I would throw down if someone asked me that as well.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:33 pmEvilCornbread,
Go watvh Judge Judy and learn something about what happens in our legal system when you hit someone pre-emptively.
I understand that Bush has tried to change that definition from ‘you’re wrong’ to ‘wow, cool thing to beat up on defenseless third-world shiiteholes’, but his own impending trial for war crimes will adjust that mindset…
Jesus said to turn the other cheek, yet you crazy Christians refuse… Such hypocritical losers.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:35 pmTO ALL NON-REPUBLICANS
As of today, all questioning of Republican politicians is strictly verbotten. You must only question non-Republican candidates.
Anyone caught near the shadow of a Republican politician will be charged with overthrow of government, “renditioned” to Romania or Israel for “waterboarding” and sent to Camp Delta on Gitmo for trial and execution.
Obey if you know what is good for you.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:36 pmROGER_ROGER,
October 31st, 2006 at 5:37 pmI have a real hard time believing you could throw down with anyone, but…..
that’s just my opinion
#96, he asked if he spit on his first wife. A valid, if blunt, question given that rumors are flying that he did indeed spit on her. Also he won’t comment on why the divroce proceedings are sealed or what he was charged with in Ablemarle County in the 70’s. It’s not as “way outta left field” as it sounds.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:37 pmWassn’t stark asking him if he spits on his wife? I would throw down if someone asked me that as well.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 31, 2006 @ 5:33 pm
And you’d be arrested for assult.
You’re such a good Christian Roger. Jeebus would be so proud of your slugging the other cheek.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:38 pmexley
October 31st, 2006 at 5:39 pmthese republican hacks = McCain? No.
I think he’s referring to the ChickenHawks (you know, the one’s so eager for war, but who never served)
Exley, I didn’t realize McCain was also calling for an apology. I had assumed Kerry was addressing Bush, Snow and Rush. That’s what I get for assuming.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:39 pmIt was wrong, and dispicable. It was however bound to happen. After ther Republican speakers on college campuses and other genre’s were assualted, booed, jeered, things thrown at them and more, sooner or later retaliation was bound to happen. Too bad. Now you know what it’s like when your own tactics have been reacted to appropriately.
Does it make it right? Not a chance. Is it going to happen again? Probably, especially considering how liberals, and democrats act. The think it’s ok to attack Republican candidates, get in their faces, throw things, etc, and it’s getting to a point that it won’t be tolerated. If that was me,and he got in my face, i would probably take my cane, and knock his running lights out.
Quit bein so darned contentious, and start acting like human beings. You might get farther. This kind of thing stirs up people, and Democrats are going to lose MORE votes, because actions like this get attributed to democrats, and then people ask, is this what I want in office, and the person who is comfortable representing this person, is that who i want representing me?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:41 pmSlugging someone for asking a question sorta lends credance to the notion that you’ve spit on your (soon to be ex-)wife…
October 31st, 2006 at 5:41 pmTO ALL NON-REPUBLICANS
As of today, all questioning of Republican politicians is strictly verbotten. You must only question non-Republican candidates.
Anyone caught near the shadow of a Republican politician will be charged with overthrow of government, “renditioned†to Romania or Israel for “waterboarding†and sent to Camp Delta on Gitmo for trial and execution.
Obey if you know what is good for you.
Comment by Pissed+Off — October 31, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
This site is now on the governments no-fly list. People with the names TomPaine, Swordsbane, Pissed+Off, and unbelievable will be stopped searched and sent directly to Camp Delta.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:43 pmThat is All.
America Prevails.
DRxJ…First of all, sorry about your team, but congrats to Mrs. DRxJ…
Second, the fact is that McCain and various veterans organizations (AMVETS, American Legion) have called on Kerry to apologize.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:46 pmHi Exley, yeah, I’ll be counting the days, especially since the Jets are sucking.
And, before anyone asks, Wayne has NEVER spit on me! ;-D
October 31st, 2006 at 5:47 pmis this the hocker heard round the world?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:47 pmThis kind of thing stirs up people, and Democrats are going to lose MORE votes
Comment by Douglas+G. — October 31, 2006 @ 5:41 pm
Oh! You’re retarded… That fits.
The reality is that the Dems keep gaining in the polls.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:48 pmThis site is now on the governments no-fly list. People with the names TomPaine, Swordsbane, Pissed+Off, and unbelievable will be stopped searched and sent directly to Camp Delta.
That is All.
America Prevails.
Comment by TomPaine — October 31, 2006 @ 5:43 pm
I’m not at the top of the list???? Clearly, I haven’t annoyed enough people…
October 31st, 2006 at 5:51 pmAll goobed up and no place to go.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:52 pmPeople with the names TomPaine, Swordsbane, Pissed+Off, and unbelievable will be stopped searched and sent directly to Camp Delta.
Comment by TomPaine — October 31, 2006 @ 5:43 pm
I think I just heard their car pull up outside….
October 31st, 2006 at 5:52 pmIf the spit didn’t hit you have to acquit
October 31st, 2006 at 5:52 pm#110, keep believing that.. You see I am psychic. In exactly 1 wwek and 15 hours, the democratic lawsuits, court orders, poll requests and more will begin.
The screams, they echo in my head. “The elections were stolen again”, “Our votes didn’t count”, and worse, “They made us show ID and PROVE our vote was legitimate!”
Jeesh… I can see it now.. any wagers?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:52 pmno need to apologize, Exley, as the Tigers were soundly beaten by a better “fielding” team who was definetly on a roll. Maybe next year, eh? Tigers vs. Mets!
As for the missus, hey, happy wife, happy life!
Now, Kerry’s issues are with those who are quick to criticize, but slow to serve (Bush, cheney, rumsveld). as for the apology, when taking out of context, yes, I’d be upset….but when taken in context (albeit, not proper), he was talking about Bush and his administration being “stuck in Iraq”, no apology is needed, except to clarify.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:53 pmas for the american legion, we know they are definetly anti-Kerry (as you previously proved in another thread)
and yes, I hope this continues as front page (as well as Allens thugs assault). I want the voters to see how the GOP continues to “swift boat” to get votes.
hey, there’s nothing in the Bible about smearing, is there?
Yes, pathetic, out of control, demented, manic individuals do reprehensible things….things like this should NEVER happen. Who engendered this appalling display of behavior?? Who condoned it? Whomever did needs to be in jail themselves.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:53 pmoh Jane, I’m sure he has, but only during the dating phase of the relationship
October 31st, 2006 at 5:54 pmJust kidding
And, before anyone asks, Wayne has NEVER spit on me! ;-D
Comment by JaneESchneider — October 31, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
With people like Wayne, I would never think to ask that sort of thing… Of course, I would never think to ask that of anyone over the age of 5… :)
October 31st, 2006 at 5:54 pm#89 - True, my choice of words is intentional, but I also think they’re accurate. He wasn’t asking the Senator a question in the normal environment to do so, the Senator was walking in a hallway between engagements and Stark interrupted him to demand an answer to a question.
If a Republican blogged did the same to Kerry or Obama I’d use the same phrasing.
#90 I see. Now you are casting aspersions, and unfounded speculations on what Stark was going to do.
Sure I am. When someone approaches me and asks me a question like that, I’m absolutely going to consider what that person is likely to do. Maybe Stark was actually polite and non-confrontational. I haven’t seen the beginning of the video (again, anyone have a link?). But my guess is that he was pretty aggressive.
Again, that doesn’t mean that tackling him was appropriate or called for. But it’s not like this was some random attack like most people here seem to be insinuating.
#97 Go watvh Judge Judy and learn something about what happens in our legal system when you hit someone pre-emptively.
There’s also such a thing as reasonable cause. Also, who made the first physical contact, Allen’s people or Stark? Do you know for sure?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:55 pmI’m wearing my mother’s underwear.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:56 pmI am GOING TO POST like a certain member!!
He has a habit of talking in BULLET POINTS!!
ROTFL!!
And using lots of EXCLAMATION POINTS!
And CRAZY CAPS LOCK!
ROTFL!!
Seriously dude can you speak in some normal sentences for once?? Its really hard to take you seriously. I don’t agree with any of the crazy trolls around here either but seing you POST THE SAME WAY!
ROTFL!!
every single time gets really tiresome. And its not helping your point. Just FYI. I don’t mean to be overly critical but you sound crazier than the people you berate. ROTFL!!
Thanks.
ps- I don’t even need to say the name of who Im talkin about. Anyone who spends any time here at all knows exactly who Im referring to.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:56 pm[…] A word of warning: don’t get up in George Allen’s grill because his posse will JACK YOU UP big time. In front of witnesses. In the presence of TV and video cameras. They just don’t care. […]
October 31st, 2006 at 5:56 pmokay all, this left leaning Christian is now going to take his toddlers and participate in that awful Pagan holiday known as “gimmee some damn candy”, or trick or treating.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:58 pmG’nite, and it’s been fun
116. I might add the reference being stuck in Iraq if you don’t advance your education could be towards the lowering of the standards to get into the military.
115. As well as being psychic theres ample evidence your dyslexic. wwek. With all those voices in your head, how can you tell which one is the real you.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:58 pm#110, keep believing that..
I don’t do ‘believe’. I require proof. And all evidence shows that the Democrats are gaining in the polls the more that Bush and his Henchmen open their mouths. Go do the research yourself instead of taking Rush Limpdick’s word for it.
You see I am psychic.
Is that a new politically correct term for retarded?
The screams, they echo in my head. “The elections were stolen againâ€, “Our votes didn’t countâ€, and worse, “They made us show ID and PROVE our vote was legitimate!â€
It’s not psychic when you can look into the past to see an accurate account of how rich neocons disenfranchised minority voters in the last 3 elections (yes, 2004, 2002, 2000)… Sheesh.
Jeesh… I can see it now.. any wagers?
Comment by Douglas+G. — October 31, 2006 @ 5:52 pm
Sure. I wager that you will be a no-show around here on November 8th if you guys lose either or both house and senate.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:00 pm#121, you prove what I have been saying, signing with my name simply shows how sophmoric you are, and why candidates you like, will not be elected.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:02 pmHave fun, DRxJ!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:02 pmhey, there’s nothing in the Bible about smearing, is there?
Comment by DRxJ — October 31, 2006 @ 5:53 pm
Don’t ask the “Christians” around here. None of them have read it. They just know about what it says from Sunday school.
All the Atheists I know, however, have read it. It’s partly why they are Atheistic. :D
October 31st, 2006 at 6:03 pm116. I might add the reference being stuck in Iraq if you don’t advance your education could be towards the lowering of the standards to get into the military.
Comment by hellinabucket — October 31, 2006 @ 5:58 pm
Say that again slowly.. I know the words were english, but I’ve never quite seen them put in that order before.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:06 pmI’ll be giving out words of advice instead of candy tonight. Heh, yeah right, we don’t want the house egged.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:06 pmDoug G - a textbook example of the dishes-it-out-but-can’t-take-it conservative, republican, whatever it is they call themselves nowadays, same thing every time. you’re a wuss, doug, and you argue like one, too.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:07 pmGood night, DRxJ….And you’re right..Wait until next year…Tigers v. Mets (fingers crossed)…
October 31st, 2006 at 6:09 pmI do note however that you didn’t dispute wearing yor mother’s underwear. : )
October 31st, 2006 at 6:09 pmHe wasn’t asking the Senator a question in the normal environment to do so, the Senator was walking in a hallway between engagements and Stark interrupted him to demand an answer to a question.
No caveats for “being interrupted”… Sorry, but you’ve just convinced me that you’re desperately trying to spin this event into an even more absurd claim to make yourself feel better about all the babies killed in Iraq because you supported the War on “terra” (what thinking people call the Oil Invasion of a once Sovereign Nation).
If a Republican blogged did the same to Kerry or Obama I’d use the same phrasing.
No. You wouldn’t.
There’s also such a thing as reasonable cause. Also, who made the first physical contact, Allen’s people or Stark? Do you know for sure?
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Seeing as how you didn’t watch the video… (you just said so in your post), don’t you think your speculative commentary is well, sad and pathetic?
You cannot hit someone who asks you a question at an “inconvenient moment”. Don’t be even more ridiculous that you already are.
Assuage your guilty conscience and vote Democrat.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:09 pm#108 Jane …Can’t believe the Jets lost to Cleveland. It would have been nice heading into the bye 5-3.
Just filled out my absentee ballot, Jane. Boy, my party in NY is in biiiig trouble!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:10 pmdo the NRA supporters in the house think it would’ve been ok for this guy to shoot the Allen supporters with a concealed handgun because they were threatening his personal space and safety? give us an honest answer, please, gun guys?
October 31st, 2006 at 6:11 pm#126 you see. I don’t care who wins or loses. They are all pygmies, and we are trying to choose the tallest one. They all have a peculiar oder to them.
Nobody was disenfranchised, everyone who wanted to vote, and was legally eligable was allowed, (even a few who weren’t since a nexamination of voters showed voters voting democrat who were in jail, had been dead for a number of years, and more. I am sure there are the same problems on the other side of the table, but that doesn’t change the fact, the same screams will be heard.
What about those 1000 mail in ballots that were 80% republican in florida that were tossed away? Were they disenfranchised, and are you fighting for them too?
The whole process sux. They ought to set it up by fingerprint ID, that way people can only vote once, and if they are not registered, they don’t vote, because the vote will be automatically rejected by fingerprint analysis.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:12 pmI wholly support our Constutional Right to bear arms, for all the reasons the Founding Fathers gave for putting it in the Bill of Rights. It’s why, I think, we’re not already living in a Police State.
However, most of those NRA folks are just plain nuts.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:15 pm#134, that would be hard, she’s been dead for 12 years. and has no cloted, thank you very much.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:17 pmI don’t care who wins or loses…as long as my team wins, so I can continue to ridicule you. Oh, and I’m still wearing my mother’s underwear.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:17 pmpoliticians of both parties are routinely heckled. the heavy handed tactics of his staff reflect poorly on Allen. It does not matter the behavior of the heckler, the politician, and his staff by extension, are held to a higher standard.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:18 pmNobody was disenfranchised, everyone who wanted to vote, and was legally eligable was allowed,
Prove it.
What about those 1000 mail in ballots that were 80% republican in florida that were tossed away? Were they disenfranchised, and are you fighting for them too?
I don’t fight for myths and urban legends. Prove it.
because the vote will be automatically rejected by fingerprint analysis.
Comment by Douglas+G. — October 31, 2006 @ 6:12 pm
Don’t forget about that “Diebold Factor”… That’s what is making the system suck. It was reasonably fine (nothing is perfect) before the computer voting system got involved…
October 31st, 2006 at 6:18 pmTomPaine: “I’m waiting for the Reichstag that takes us into Iran. Any guesses on what it will be? Those ships doing maneuvers off the coast of Iran scream Tonkin and Maine.”
Exactly, Tom. I hope we get through this next week without being “attacked” by Iran.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:19 pmsomebody okease pat doug on the head and give him a snickers so he can move on to the next house.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:20 pmWhat does her death have to do with you wearing her underwear? Norman bates was a freak like you and wore his moms underwear after she was dead. You’re welcome.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:21 pm“Stark is not, as CNN reported, a “protester.†He is a constituent who was trying to ask Allen a question.”
Stark is a twit whose hobby is annoying people, so things like this really do just happen… to him.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:22 pm#143, by the same token, PROVE anyone WAS disenfranchised.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:26 pmI think a lot of people are too concerned with weather the republicans are going to steal the vote. It really doesn’t matter if they’ve rigged the election or not. With this much dissent, if the reps aren’t kicked out the suspicion of vote tampering will be rampant, and that will be all that’s needed to destroy all confidence in a fair voting process. It’s not a big jump from there to shooting in the street folks. This is America and we like to think of ourselves as above that, but… well let’s just say, I hope THAT particular faith turns out to be well founded.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:27 pm147 - does that mean I can jump Matt Drudge next time I see him??
October 31st, 2006 at 6:29 pmWhen someone approaches me and asks me a question like that, I’m absolutely going to consider what that person is likely to do.
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
You are bent on insinuating only a deranged person would ask such a question. Here it goes again: There are allegations that Sen Allen did actually spit on his ex-wife -that being one of the reasons for the divorce.
And once again, if indeed Sen Allen was concerned for his personal safety, he could have called the police. He chose to teach Mr Stark a lesson instead.
But it’s not like this was some random attack like most people here seem to be insinuating.
I cannot speak for others. I do realise Mr Stark was roughed up for something he did. My contention is that the response was not in line with the values American society pretends to espouse.
A politician tacitly or explicitly asking his entourage to physically assault a citizen, is something I would expect to happen in less developed countries, where journalists are routinely killed for asking too many questions.
But this is the sad state of affairs in modern-day USofA: Politicians don’t even pretend to be public servants anymore.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:30 pm#147….CNN is ALSO DOING A SPIN!! Mr. Stark is a blogger for the website Dailykos….which is a liberal leaning media outlet. Would it be equally ok to do this to Lou Dobbs, Wolf Blitzer. Bill O’Reily (oh that’s right Bill is their propaganda sprecialist). There are alot of annoying people in the world…..LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH, but we don’t go around throwing him to the ground!! I guess it’s only annoying if you are a Republican and if it’s the truth!!!!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:31 pm#147 YOUR NOT RANDOM AND YOU MOST CERTAINLY ARE NOT RIGHT,,,,,,BUT YOU ARE ARROGANT!!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:32 pmDoug you are sick. Keep that top button nice and tight.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:33 pmShit! Thngs happen, things like severed deer heads being placed in the mailbox of an African-American family. Things happen, like beating your family members and spitting in the face of a woman. Things happen, like your stupid racist ass going home with your tail between your legs after losing the election next week.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:33 pm#135: No caveats for “being interruptedâ€â€¦ Sorry, but you’ve just convinced me that you’re desperately trying to spin this event into an even more absurd claim to make yourself feel better about all the babies killed in Iraq because you supported the War on “terraâ€
Sorry to burst your little bubble of me-too-ism, but I certainly don’t support the war in Iraq.
Regarding being interrupted — I think this story on TP does far more spinning than I have in my comments. They make it sound like some innocent blogger asked a perfectly reasonable, innocent question in the normal forums for doing so and got the crap beaten out of him.
When, in fact, he was demanding an answer to an inappropriate question as the Senator was try to move between events. And from the video I’ve seen he was trying to push his way closer in to the Senator.
No. You wouldn’t.
Actually, yes, I would. I’ll thank you to not tell me what I will and will not do.
Seeing as how you didn’t watch the video… (you just said so in your post), don’t you think your speculative commentary is well, sad and pathetic?
The link wasn’t working for me earlier, but now is, and I’ve watched it. And it’s pretty clear that he was pushing his way through the aides towards the Senator and obstructing the Senator from getting to his appointment. Not worthy of a tackle, but it’s fairly clear that Stark intitiated first physical contact.
You cannot hit someone who asks you a question at an “inconvenient momentâ€. Don’t be even more ridiculous that you already are.
But you can if they’re acting sufficiently aggressive. I don’t think Stark was sufficiently aggressive for a punch, but IMO he was sufficiently aggressive to be moved out of the way so the Senator could pass.
Assuage your guilty conscience and vote Democrat.
I’ve voted Democrat for virtually every position I’ve encountered on a ballot. And all the major (mayor/governon/senator/representative/president) ones. Sorry I don’t instantly agree with you on all fronts.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:35 pm#151: And once again, if indeed Sen Allen was concerned for his personal safety, he could have called the police
I’ll remember that the next time I’m mugged. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind waiting until the police showed up. :-)
My contention is that the response was not in line with the values American society pretends to espouse.
Fair enough. I just wish this site would accurately describe the encounter and not paint Stark as such an innocent bystander.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:39 pm#141, I am very happy you are pleased with yourself. Simple people are easily amused, and you have demonstrated that remarkably.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:41 pm(whoops, dropped two letters from name in previous post)
#152 I assure you I’m very random!
As to the matter at hand, Allen is a knob, but Stark had it coming. ‘Had it coming’ doesn’t mean that the tackling was all OK, but then, ‘Allen is a knob’.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:45 pm147 - does that mean I can jump Matt Drudge next time I see him??
Comment by tom+baker — October 31, 2006 @ 6:29 pm
Tom, PLEASE jump Matt Drudge EVERY time you see him!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:47 pmCNN reporter just said several Democratic strategists commenting about Kerry’s ’stuck in Iraq” remarks that they are amazed that top level politician like him could be so STUPID…..he quoted…”hasn’t he already lost one eletion for us?”
Friggin loving it. You guys are so stupid you can’t even keep a gimmie election.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:49 pmI’ll remember that the next time I’m mugged.
Comment by EvilCornbread — October 31, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
If you have security personnel with you, and they have secured the robber, they will have to wait for the police to show up.
Unless you want the man “dealt with”, and have him fit with cement boots.
See? I can use hyperbole, too.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:49 pmI can’t wait for the lawsuit! Getting mugged for wanting to ask your congressman a question. Republicans are chickenshit chickenhawks.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:51 pmYeah, when you’re a fascist
Good frocking grief! These god damned Republinazis will defend _any_ crime against innocent American citizens!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:51 pmMemo to all Bush cultists: if you agree that thugs representing an elected official are correct to rough up a guy for asking embarassing questions, you are, by definition, a fascist. Just thought you should know.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:53 pm#160 CNN reporter just said several Democratic strategists commenting about Kerry’s ’stuck in Iraq†remarks that they are amazed that top level politician like him could be so STUPID…..he quoted…â€hasn’t he already lost one eletion for us?â€
Heh! That’s pretty funny. Yes, we can be sure that Rahm Emanuel is somewhere tonight ripping up his office and unleashing a series of expletives at the thought of John “I may have blown it again” Kerry.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:55 pmApparently we need to teach our children differently……sticks and stones will break your bones….and if someone calls you a name…YOU ATTACK HIM!! The fact of the matter is that we spend much time telling our children not to fight over words….BUT IT’S OKAY IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN. This justification of the man getting close or approaching Mr. Allen WITH WORDS…thereby justifies a violent response….well, it’s just outrageous!! No wonder our children are so screwed up with such conflicting moral statements and examples!!!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:56 pmAnd CNN does spin propaganda…..yeah, CNN is gospel. I got a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you. P.S. LOU DOBBS POLL SHOWS THAT 74% OF AMERICANS DO NOT FEEL THE JOHN KERRY OWES ANYONE….INCLUDING OUR TROOPS AN APOLOGY. Just goes to show you that the truth can overcome the SPIN MACHINE!!!!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:58 pmPetty soon there will be a precrime unit……and we will use fortune tellers to tell us who the criminals are…..of course the fortune tellers would be Republican.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:01 pm#172 LMAO
October 31st, 2006 at 7:05 pm“several Democratic strategists” Well then, that’s the end of it, right? Wrong. What strategists? Were are the names. I’ve heard that there are “several Republican strategists” who say Bush is running the party into the ground and this is nothing but another lame straw-man issue.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:08 pmCNN has been pumping out their propaganda for the last 7 days with 2 hour specials every night. No one should be surprised with 74%. Conservatives don’t waste their time clicking on these types of polls. The only polls that will matter will be the ones they are voting at next Tuesday. The dems should have it but you can’t argue that this was a significant mistake by Kerry. It’s just too funny. Loving it.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:08 pm#169….Hey, Peejay, don’t get riled up at me…It’s not my fault your party’s leader stirred up this controversy and knocked the Dems off message by saying that U.S. troops in Iraq are lazy, stupid, and uneducated…Take your anger out on him. He was a loser