FACT CHECK: Snow’s False and Misleading History of Stem Cell Research
FACT CHECK: Snow’s False and Misleading History of Stem Cell Research
Today at the White House press briefing, Tony Snow claimed that “Any stem cell research that takes place in the United States today is a result of a decision the president made in 2001.” Snow claimed, “no president who has stepped up and made possible more research and encouraged more research than George W. Bush.”
Snow, echoing Karl Rove, added that “adult and blood cord stem cells” have “demonstrated far more promise” than embryonic stem cells. Watch it:
Snow’s lesson on stem cell research was chock full of false and misleading information. Here’s a fact check:
1. Bush’s decision did not begin embryonic stem cell research in the U.S. Embryonic stem cell research funded by the Geron Corporation began in the late 1990s at the University of Wisconson and Johns Hopkins University. [Congressional Research Service, pg. 3]
2. President Clinton proposed broader federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. Bush suspended the Clinton rules and replaced them with his own that restrict federal funding to lines derived prior to August 2001. Clinton did not propose federal funding for embryonic stem cell research earlier because it didn’t exist. [Congressional Research Service, pgs. 5-6]
3. Adult and umbilical cord stem cells do not show “more promise” than embryonic stem cells. An article in the New England Journal of Medicine called the White House source for this claim “patently false” and “pure hokum.” [9/21/06]
Transcript:
QUESTION: Does the president have a feeling about the Michael J. Fox ad which has been so much in the news in that race and others?
SNOW: No, I have not heard him talk about it. But it’s interesting –let’s make a couple of important points when it comes to stem cell research.
Any stem cell research that takes place in the United States today is a result of a decision the president made in 2001 to be the first to make available 60 then-existing stem cell lines involving embryonic stem cells.
He said at the time also that he believed that those stem cells — the collection of such cells involved the taking of a human life. He did not think it would be appropriate for the federal government to engage in something morally controversial but he would not outlaw it; and, in fact, would permit private investment, which is going on in some places.
Meanwhile, the United States has the most robust program in investigating the promise of adult and blood cord stem cells, which so far have demonstrated far more promise in dealing with real conditions than embryonic stem cells, which, to date at least, have not yielded the results that many people would like to see them produce.
So when it comes to the issue of stem cell research, there has been no party or no president who has stepped up and made possible more research and encouraged more research than George W. Bush.
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How come Thomas Jeffereson and George Washington didn’t fund stem cell research. Those bastards!
October 31st, 2006 at 1:30 pmIf Snow’s lips are moving, he is lying.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:31 pmIt should also be mentioned that when Bush signed his stem-cell bill he lied about the number of lines available to researchers. From day one of Bush’s bill, scientists complained that his “support” acted more like a ban as there were nowhere near the number of lines Bush stated and nowhere near enough for proper research.
But as always, Bush’s faith over ruled scientific fact.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:34 pmSo maybe I am unclear on the rules here… the attending press– are they allowed to talk back, or otherwise cough and say “bullsh**” under their breath, or do they simply record the statement and sit silent?
Ay dios mio.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:36 pmLIAR
October 31st, 2006 at 1:36 pm“adult and blood cord stem cells†have “demonstrated far more promise†than embryonic stem cells.
This is blatantly false. I have a couple of articles from Nature and Science on studies involving adult hematopoietic stems cells linked in this post:
October 31st, 2006 at 1:39 pmhttp://nateo.blogspot.com/2006/10/stem-cell-stuff-i-saw-this-article-at.html
As usual, Republican lies consist of saying the exact opposite of what is true. Bush he done more than any president to limit stem-cell research, so Snow simply says Bush has done more than any president to enable stem-cell research. Because of their simplicity, the Republicans’ boldfaced lies are more effective (to morons who don’t follow current events) than typical Democratic mealymouthing.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:42 pmits Wisconsin. sin. not son.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:43 pmThey can see they’re about to lose Missouri on this issue, with a healthy assist from the miscalculating stupidity of Rush Limbaugh. Lies are all they have to defend themselves with. Rove isn’t a genius! He’s just immoral enough to lie about anything and everything to trick ignorant republican voters into voting for ignorant republican politicians.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:44 pmSnow claimed, “no president who has stepped up and made possible more research and encouraged more research than George W. Bush.â€
I don’t think that’s true. I seem to recall reading something about Grover Cleveland in his inaugural address calling for Congress to increase funding for embryonic stem cell research. I think he said that it was a travesty that the U.S. was spending less on stem cell research than at any time since James Madison was in office.
Oh Tony, you’re just so darn clever. Are we’re all just so darn stupid.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:48 pmWhat a bonehead.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:48 pmI see they are still trying to do anything to get the ‘Scanlon Wackos’ out to vote. =)
October 31st, 2006 at 1:49 pmI hate to confuse the argument with facts but embyonic stem cell usage in Parkinson’s research has resulted in a higher than anticipated increase in brain tumors and cancer. It’s sad that umbilical cord stem cell research has been almost ignored by the progr community….But the old adage, “follow the money”, sure fits here. Supporters of embryonic stem cell research have had a tougher time gleaning $$$$ from venture capitalists and other investors than adult and umbilical stem cell researchers, so they have become the latest in line with their hand out.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:50 pmSnow is SPIN, SPIN, SPIN. Old Bushies had veto the Embryonic Stem Cell Bill. This reseach will help so many people. There is no logic to the Religious Right Nuts they think this is a person. The clinics are going to destroy this so why not use this for reseach. Did you hear that steele guy said on Sunday that we should adopt the Embryonics. That is nuts. The UWMadison in Wisconsin is doing reseach on Stem Cell Reseach. Our great governor Doyle is for this. The arguement that the federal tax money should not be used for this is also crazy and I don’t want my tax dollars to go for this war in Iraq. We need to take care of the people in America first.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:50 pm“hokum” That’s the word. For six years I have been trying to think of one that sums up Bush and his messaging. Thank you, New England Journal of Medicine.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:50 pmYou know, I don’t fault the politicians and the potential candidates for spouting this drivel. We’ve set up the process by which winning is a matter of a popularity contest. The problem here is the press not taking these guys to task when they blatantly lie. Sometimes they ask important questions, but when the poly-tick sidesteps the issue, the matter is dropped and it’s on to the next reporters question. I swear, if I was a reporter in that room everytime I got the mic I’d be saying “Would you please answer the previous reporters question?”
October 31st, 2006 at 1:51 pmspeaking of Scanlon Wackos….
October 31st, 2006 at 1:52 pmSpinmeister Snowjob Tony is the epitome of a GOP puppet – just like poor old Scotty McClellan. Snowjob’s tenure on stage will be short-lived and soon people will acknowledge, as they do for dear old Scotty, ….Tony who?
October 31st, 2006 at 1:56 pmThe cheney administration: Still at war with reality and the truth.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:58 pmOh, psshaw. Who believes that New England Journal of Medicine? It’s just a liberal rag.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:00 pmSo much for the stupid GOP rehashed [again] moot point wedge issue.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:00 pmOk, I am all for Adult Stem Cell research. I don’t think the government should restrict it. Private companies would make a mint off of potential cures that can be found with the research. This is not an issue of “if you don’t support all stem cell research you are for Parkinson’s disease.†I can see why people would not want the government to fund embryonic stem cell research. I don’t have a problem with letting a private company funding the research and let my tax dollars go to something else. I don’t want to pay for dead babies.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:01 pmRape-Public-Cans choking on stem cell wedge issue
Payback is a bitch aint it?
BTW Frighty Aphroditey and Exley when did you STOP defending the failed administration?
Was it;
Meirs?
Katrina?
NIE report?
Record budget defecits?
Ney?
Cunningham?
Safavian?
Ahbromoff?
Iraq?
Why do you brown shirts place party before principles, ideology before results, people before nation, greed before God?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:01 pmThis is what happens when you allow people that believe in magic and superstition to obtain positions of power.
When we will stop dancing around it and call religion what it is? What it IS is insanity. Belief in magic beings is insanity. The sooner the world gets over these ridiculous notions of magic and hocus pocus, the sooner we will have peace.
The WTC attacks were a result of religion, carried to it’s inevitable extreme.
I don’t propose any laws against religion, so don’t try to go there. I just think, as a society, we should shun those that harbor beliefs in magic, like we do with drunk drivers and pedophiles.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:05 pmThe gutless “journalists” in the WH press corps would do all Americans a favor by rising up during these media charades and loudly and clearly denouncing these crazy bastards. Unfortunately, none of them seem to have any courage. I guess they worry about their dumb little press corps jobs. Jobs that the average American has absolutely no respect for–thanks to these so-called journalists’ gutless “reportage.”
October 31st, 2006 at 2:05 pmMighty Aphrodite is wise.
Heed her remarks.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:05 pmThere are cosequences for being anti-science Condumbs. Reap what you sew.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:05 pmI don’t want to pay for dead babies.
Comment by Kevin — October 31, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
No babies are involved. Please get educated on the subject before you type your talking points.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:06 pmMA…..(_?_)
October 31st, 2006 at 2:06 pmOctober 31st, 2006 at 2:07 pm
Is it Science? Fiction? perhaps we have found the real ScienceFiction, at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:10 pmWhere you want your tax dollars go, Sir? To destroy fantastic WMD in Iraq or to curse human diseases?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:12 pmQuick, get a ladder, MA’s here spouting her usual unsubtantiated load of BS, and it’s getting higher?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:13 pmDear Dog – I realize facts get in the way of those who are unable to make an argument and present facts. Do you contribute your mesmerizing insight in this forum just to see your moniker in print?
Hetero-whatever – I”ve never defended Jack Abramoff or my former Congresscrook, Duke Cunningham. Your argument holds as much water as a soggy diaper. Psst….you may want to catch up – record deficits?? You mean the deficits which are declining due to increased tax receipts?? You mean the PROJECTED surplus from the previous administration that was as accurate as playing with a crystal ball?? The projected deficit which never anticipated another attack and subsequent war?? Thanks for trying to play – you’re just too precious.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:20 pmJust close the drapes, smoke a fatty, and the nosey uniformed wacko naybore Mighty Gladys Kravitz will eventually go away.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:20 pmWould the bushies and conservatives still be against embryonic stem cell research if we had soldier pluck the fetuses out of all the dead pregnant Iraqi women that get killed every day? I mean we’re fighting them over there so we don’t fight them here, so apparently morality goes out the window when you are “over there” so using their logic, why not?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:20 pmI don’t have a problem with letting a private company funding the research and let my tax dollars go to something else. I don’t want to pay for dead babies.
Comment by Kevin —
And if you later contract a disease that is fatal, or crippling, you’ll have the courage of your convictions and refuse any treatments derived from stem cells, right Kevin?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:20 pmIf left unmolested will embryos grow into babies? Been a while, but I remember that in science class.
Do you believe the government is the only organization that can cure deceases? Can private corporations do the job much more efficiently?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:22 pmYes you have you lying sack of crap and you know it and everyone here knows it.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:22 pmwow, this aphrodite thing has really OD’d on the right wing koolaid
October 31st, 2006 at 2:22 pmI hate to confuse the argument with facts but embyonic stem cell usage in Parkinson’s research has resulted in a higher than anticipated increase in brain tumors and cancer. It’s sad that umbilical cord stem cell research has been almost ignored by the progr community….But the old adage, “follow the moneyâ€, sure fits here. Supporters of embryonic stem cell research have had a tougher time gleaning $$$$ from venture capitalists and other investors than adult and umbilical stem cell researchers, so they have become the latest in line with their hand out.
Comment by mighty+aphrodite
And if we applied this logic to ANY science based effort ..say the Missle Defense Shield?
Well we have spent some money on it and so far it has not produced the holy grail so it must not be worth any further effort… Hey I know Faith Based Missle Defense Shields!!!
October 31st, 2006 at 2:23 pmIf left unmolested will embryos grow into babies? Been a while, but I remember that in science class.
That’s only when you have a uterus to put them in. Sadly, they are mostly going into the garbage. That’s much more dignified and useful than being used to cure horrible disease. Oh yes oh yes.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:24 pmDear Dog – I realize facts get in the way of those who are unable to make an argument and present facts.
Comment by mighty+aphrodite — October 31, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
Yup, that is how it happens. Especially in your case. How about trying these facts on for size: this is the most criminal, corrupt, lying administration in the history of this country. They are war criminals, they are fascists, they hate democracy, and above all else they hate the Constitution. And you enable them. Why?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:24 pmIf left unmolested will embryos grow into babies? Been a while, but I remember that in science class.
Comment by Kevin
Not the ones being used by the stem cell scientists … those embryos are destined for the trash can.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:24 pmcan someone please explain the difference btw a human embryo and a chicken embryo?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:24 pmIn neo-speak, Spudge, when Mighty Assrocket says ‘never’ it really means always..
October 31st, 2006 at 2:25 pmDo you believe the government is the only organization that can cure deceases? Can private corporations do the job much more efficiently?
Comment by Kevin
The government nor private corporations cure diseases … scientists do… and scientists dont care about profits … and so corporations take the work of scientists and pad the costs of the research with “profits” and “operating expenses” until the cures cost thousands of dollars.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:26 pmLet’s call it like it is.
Blastocyst—A preimplantation embryo of about 150 cells produced by cell division following fertilization. The blastocyst is a sphere made up of an outer layer of cells (the trophoblast), a fluid-filled cavity (the blastocoel), and a cluster of cells on the interior (the inner cell mass).
It is NOT an EMBRYO it is a BLASTOCYST – these are undifferentiated mass cells. It is not an embryo or a baby.
Let’s start calling it what it is “BLASTOCYST STEM CELL RESEARCH”
October 31st, 2006 at 2:26 pmComing soon to NBC: Conservative Heros!
Save the Fetuses;
Save the World
—
Plot outline: By saving every unborn fetus ever conceived and growing them to term in large tanks by our heros, the world is so overpopulated that “terrists” are eliminated because there are no longer any resources left on the planet to create WMDs…. or food…. or oxygen… Well at least they defeated the “terrists!!!”
October 31st, 2006 at 2:26 pmHey Mealy Assodite, what are you gonna dress up as this evenin, perhaps Monica Lewinsky?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:26 pmKevin, go away. You can’t even spell disease. Or, show us your sources for your fantasies about stem cell science.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:29 pmmighty aphrodite, where do these facts of your come from. Show us the link and educate us all. Without the actual facts we could say anything. Like We’re turning the corner in Iraq or the insurgents are on their last throes. It’s easy to say but doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
Don’t get on that deficit band wagon so fast. None of the 500 billion for this little democracy experiment in Iraq is accounted for. Just like the hundreds of thousands of weapons we were supposed to record.
So dig those facts up and hurry on back here so we can all see the error of our ways. All the documentation I’ve been reading so far hasn’t shown any increase in brain tumors.
Also, how about that great 700 mile fence bill that doesn’t have one dime in the bill to pay for it. Brilliant move by the republicans. Talk tough but don’t stand behind the words with actual dollars to complete it.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:29 pmYou mean the deficits which are declining due to increased tax receipts??
You mean declining because much of the Iraq war spending is off-budget, and paid for by SSI?
You mean the PROJECTED surplus from the previous administration that was as accurate as playing with a crystal ball??
The tax cuts blew a huge hole in the deficit. Get real, MA.
The projected deficit which never anticipated another attack and subsequent war??
How much tax money is reported missing in Iraq, Ma?
What, you didn’t know it was off-budget? Ha, ha, ha, ha,.
Loopy as ever. That’s our Piddles.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:29 pmPeople like MA need to recognize that supporting the Bush administration has become above all else a moral issue. The administration is led by bad people doing bad things to the world, and supporting the administration is simply immoral behavior, by any plausible ethical standard.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:29 pmKevin prefers throwing almost-embryos into the trash can because it is what his party says he prefers.
Kevin is a baby-trasher! (according to him, anyways, I just think he’s an idiot)
October 31st, 2006 at 2:30 pmSnow is an idiot. A few months ago, the doctor who made that claim was discredited, when it showed that embryonic stem cells can be used in more cases than adult stem cells.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:32 pmIf left unmolested will embryos grow into babies? Been a while, but I remember that in science class.
Comment by Kevin — October 31, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
Did you get an F in science, Kevin? It sure seems like it.
I can state with confidence that you do not yet know enough about stem cell research to formulate a meaningful opinion on it. I suggest trying to learn something about it before attempting to write or speak about it.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:33 pmcan someone please explain the difference btw a human embryo and a chicken embryo?
One is loved by Christians. The other is eaten every morning by people all over the Earth.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:33 pmIf Stem Cell’s show this much promise, surely the private sector is already investing heavily in it. If they are not, then that tells me this type of research doesn’t show much promise. I’ll let the free market be my truth detector on this one.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:34 pmI support Stem Cell Research to save thousands, perhaps millions, of lives at the expense of useless tissue samples in the labs. I do not support spending one more deficit dime to “save” another country for democracy while George Bush is busy destroying our own democracy from within. I support the impeachment of the Bush Cabal. I support the reinstatement of our right to Habeas Corpus and the restoration of the Insurrection Act.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:35 pmI oppose KING GEORGE and his minions, like the commenter above who calls itself “Mighty” but proves it’s mind to be mighty small when it tries to consider any opinion outside of the Bush/Clinton box. The budget deficit is clear, the debt is documented, the trade deficit is horrific and there is no spin needed to understand that this administration and the Republicans that support it have completely failed the United States and all it’s people.
Yeh, it’s halloween and the evil Ms Mighty Kravitz from Kool-Aid hell has come back to life full of bushian evil! Beware! Hide your underage pages and place garlic by every door!
October 31st, 2006 at 2:37 pmComment by Roger_Roger
Might as well, since you won’t listen to us anyway.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:40 pmIf Stem Cell’s show this much promise, surely the private sector is already investing heavily in it. If they are not, then that tells me this type of research doesn’t show much promise. I’ll let the free market be my truth detector on this one.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 31, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
Yup, Roger_Roger, you were an idiot yesterday, and you are still an idiot today. Breakthrough science is rarely funded by the private sector. But you wouldn’t know that, because you are an ignorant fool. Most major drug breakthroughs, for example, come from research funded by NIH, not the drug companies. The solid-state transistor, for another example, was also developed with heavy government funding, and at the time of its development there was plenty of skepticism about its value. Do you know about the solid-state transistor, considered by many to be the biggest science breakthrough of the entire 20th century? It makes your computer possible.
We would all be living in caves if everyone was as stupid as you are, Roger_Roger. And I really mean that.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:40 pmI suggest self trepanation Roger. It’s the new ‘in thing’ for social conservatives and neo-cons to do. Suppose to allow one to see speak to God, George had it done.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:40 pmIt would be quite ironic if one day you fell ill to a disease that is rare and is considered not profitable by drug companies to research cures for… so they don’t. Especially if it was a disease that no government funding went to research because its budget was slashed.
Boy, would I feel bad for you.
I wonder if Karma is real? I hope so…
October 31st, 2006 at 2:41 pmNeosluts only value embryonic life.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:41 pmAfter birth, they’re looking for ways to lock up or execute anyone who
disagrees with them.
Curious, eh?
Do you think stem cells could solve the Neo-Con mental disease?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:44 pmYou really think he could find a cave RS?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:45 pmcan someone please explain the difference btw a human embryo and a chicken embryo?
Comment by sistereinstein
Human embryo = see Curt #49
October 31st, 2006 at 2:55 pmChicken embryo = see anything posted by Mighty Aphrodite
Republicans are pro-superstition and anti-science.
Faith-based government does not work.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:56 pmIf Stem Cell’s show this much promise, surely the private sector is already investing heavily in it. If they are not, then that tells me this type of research doesn’t show much promise. I’ll let the free market be my truth detector on this one.
If I’m not mistaken, a research facility which accepts private funds for embryonic stem cell research is ineligible for government grants or funding, even for non-embryonic stem cell research. Any one else recall this fact?
October 31st, 2006 at 2:59 pmMA are you talking about the deficit reduxctions where the republicans project high deficits and then when they submit the budget they revise their figures lower, every damned year? That deficit reduction?
Speaking of pouring money into research yeilding zero results, how abotu that Iraq Experiment that the PNAC is running? That hs not yielded the promised results, any republicans willing to pull the plug on that one?
Annyone worth their salt knows that scientific research takes time, and that a great deal, if not most raw research is govenrment funded.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:01 pm81
I think I recalled this wrong – should have looked first!
October 31st, 2006 at 3:09 pmMark, isn’t it the case also that the entire war expenditure isn’t even included in the budget???
October 31st, 2006 at 3:09 pmSnow claimed, “no president who has stepped up and made possible more carnage and encouraged more violence than George W. Bush.â€
October 31st, 2006 at 3:10 pm#13, regarding the “adoption” of the embryos. I’ve actually read somewhere that these frozen, soon to be discarded embryos have been referred to as Blastocyst-Americans.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:47 pmThat’s funny PLC.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:57 pmBsnidelywhiplash
While you are brandishing your fancy but artless tripe, there are more important posts that you are ignoring just for the sake of havng the last word.
This has been fun though.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:31 pmsee? exactly what I meant.
Now I have the last word.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:53 pmHey, Judd, how come you’re not posting anything about John Kerry’s “stuck in Iraq” slur against the military – is it because Tony Snow got that one exactly right when he read it into the record?
October 31st, 2006 at 6:05 pmMan, TP could fill a thousand websites with the millions of hateful, contemptuous words the left spews out about the military and the commander-in-chief. Of course, since TP doesn’t want to look in the mirror and deal with its own slimy reality, TP won’t ever do that. Dream on, progressives, ignorance is bliss!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:09 pmOk, showing my age and neophyte status but what in hell does ROTFL stand for?
BTW
October 31st, 2006 at 6:11 pmIt’s time to trim the Bushies!
If left unmolested will embryos grow into babies? Comment by Kevin — October 31, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
Not the ones at the fertility clinics that go in the garbage.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:13 pmOh for joy, good old hyper-sanctimonious citizen dad checks in, what a treat!! always ready to discuss anything aside from the topic at hand, eh daddio?
How much more did Kerry serve than W or Cheney? How about Murtha?
How shameful does it feel to take the side of the liars and cowards, daddio?
How shameful does it feel to slander those who actually served?
Angry and hateful doesn’t begin to describe how I’d deal with you in a more private venue – does it scare you to hear a “liberal” say that? Maybe it should.
Lastly, try reading what the thread is actually about before shooting your mouth off and showing everyone that you’re more dumb than you are American.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:18 pmAll these excess embryos are being produced by religious/right-leaning types who can’t conceive, but are too vain and prejudiced to adopt. Supremely ironic that they rely on the products of advances in the Science of Evolutionary Biology to get their babies (rather than playing the hand the Lord dealt them), then get all pious and sanctimonious about their “snowflake baby” cells-in-a-tube, and expect they should get to dictate science policy for the Federal Government. If it weren’t for the science, morons, you couldn’t have the god-damned babies in the first place!!! Whatever happens to the surplus fertilization products should be left to the discretion of the god-damned scientists who pioneered the god-damned process in the first place. Talk about wanting to have cake and eat it too!!!!! idiots.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:38 pmthat’s precious, daddio, thanks for bringing nothing at all to the table one more time. i’m sure citizen mom is popping with pride for her man right about now.
October 31st, 2006 at 8:39 pmAmerica’s choice is clear:
A Snow job or a blow job.
I know I’d take the blow job every time.
October 31st, 2006 at 9:27 pm“Man, TP could fill a thousand websites with the millions of hateful, contemptuous words the left spews out about the military and the commander-in-chief. Comment by Citizen+Dadâ€
Notice that most of the Democrats have served in the military and the rethugs haven’t, and notice “citizen” dad not, pfc dad. Another chicken $hit arm chair loser. Hey “citizen” go vote for Santorum a real American hero running against another Dem who has really put his life on the line for our country. Spoiled rich coward or a true American with guts and honor.
October 31st, 2006 at 10:32 pm“citizen” BTW gotta go but, whatever your come back–Blow it out your Rethug.
October 31st, 2006 at 10:36 pmI am a Parkinson’s sufferer, and I can tell you Bush makes me sick. I am losing hope because of him. Hope is what we survive on.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:46 amPS. You Americans are sick! Now you are making fun of Steve Irwin’s death!
November 1st, 2006 at 9:02 amEmbryonic stem cells have produced no results in any diseases at all while Adult stem cell research has produced positive results in 72 seperate diseases. this is called a fact. something the left knows very little about. Research has been done on Embryonic Stem Cells and has produced nothing but tumors in lab animals.
Yep, let’s spend more money on this waste of human life and time. Sounds like a democrat’s plan to me.
November 1st, 2006 at 4:59 pmGo here for the truth about Stem Cells.
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/factsheet-04-03-02.htm.
November 1st, 2006 at 5:01 pmJoeFriday, why is it you guys on the left had no problem with Clinton’s draft dodging but call all the republicans who didn’t serve in vietnam cowards? John Kerry made his service in Vietnam the center piece of his campaign and was called out for his lies in 1971. Your side then called the swift vets liars. Apparently the democrats only have a need for the military when it helps pad their resume.
November 1st, 2006 at 5:19 pmI love how the left calls themselves “Progressive”. What are we progressing towards? Well, let’s examine what these people are in favor of.
1) Weak Military
2) high taxes
3) Civil rights for terrorists
4) no restrictions on any type of abortion
5) welfare
6) a total lack of any christian symbolism
7) open borders
8) voting rights for illegals and convicted felons
9) An end to the 2nd amendment
10) No accountability in public schools
Looks like they want us to “Progress” straight into the abyss.
November 1st, 2006 at 5:29 pm“Go here for the truth about Stem Cells.
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/factsheet-04-03-02.htm.
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Comment by Truthdetector — November 1, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
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LOL
You mean the “FACTS” created by David Prentice, a PAID consultant of the Family Research Council, a conservative thinktank. David Prentice as a scientist is medioc at best. Even though his proponents claim he doesn stem cell research I have not been able to locate EVEN 1 publication by him that has anything to do with stem cell research.
Fact check:
There are only 9 FDA approved adult stem cell treatments.
Also “Truthdector”, ROFLMAO, embryonic stem cells have shown great promise in animal models. Maybe if there was more funding available we could be using them in humans.
November 1st, 2006 at 8:28 pmFrom what I understand, privately funded embryonic research is fully legal and has scientific promise, right?
So, I’m wondering how much of your own money all of you RANTERS have given to this cause? You want my money (via tax) to be used to fund the research, but I would guess that most of you have never freely donated one red cent.
Hmmm…. really makes me think that you aren’t a true believer in the solution if you can’t back it up with your own $$$.
I give to what I believe is right, you should do the same before you rant about what my tax dollars should be used for.
November 16th, 2006 at 3:25 pm