The Air America advertiser blacklist.
By on Oct 31st, 2006 at 4:21 pm
The Air America advertiser blacklist.
Nearly 100 ABC advertisers have insisted that “NONE of their commercials air during AIR AMERICA programming.” Among the advertisers listed are Bank of America, Exxon Mobil, Federal Express, General Electric, McDonald’s, Microsoft, Wal-Mart, and the U.S. Navy. Media Matters has the full list here.
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Well… at least I know who to boycott now. It was much more difficult when I didn’t know some of their political leanings…. Not sure how I can boycott the US Navy, but if they ever sell me something, I won’t buy it :)
October 31st, 2006 at 4:25 pmsmart
October 31st, 2006 at 4:26 pmWhat is wrong with this? Do you want to force private companies to advertise where you want them to? We are free to advertise with whom we want to in this Country. If these companies don’t like Air America, it is there choice. This isn’t news.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:26 pmSo, are we still supposed to believe that ABC doesn’t have a conservative bias? Or can we all just admit the truth now?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:26 pmA Govt. of the people, by the people, and for the people is bad for profits
October 31st, 2006 at 4:27 pmABC…
October 31st, 2006 at 4:29 pmHmmm, didn’t Mark Halpern state the media is too liberal?
Mark, is this liberal or dictatorial?
I see, the media is controlled by Corporate America.
What will you do when the Dems take over?
Oh wait, Corporate America is the original ‘flip-flopper’…
they’ll suck anyone who has any power.
Thanks for your insight, Mark…now move over,
New Sheriff In Town, coming next week to your favorite liberal media.
Well, since I listen to my local AAR affiliate, I won’t feel compelled to buy any of these people’s products.
Indeed, an advertiser shouldn’t be told where they can and can’t place their ads. Which makes ABC’s actions all the more suspect.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:31 pmGee, I wonder why Corporate America would not want to advertise with people that hate Corporate America.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:32 pm“If these companies don’t like Air America, it is there choice.”
Sure it is. And if we decide to avoid buying some of their products, it is our choice. Now that we are informed about it we can make that choice.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:36 pmI can’t force companies to advertise here or there, they can’t force me to buy their products, there or here.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:36 pm#8 – “Gee, I wonder why Corporate America would not want to advertise with people that hate Corporate America.”
Yeah, it’s so much more profitable for them to stay with the political party they bought and paid for. Republican whores to the rescue! They hate welfare for poor people, but Corporate Welfare?!?!!? Move over Tiny Tim and get the heck out of the way of the slop bucket for Corporate Special interests!
When it comes to value for your dollars, nothing beats paying for a Republican legislator!
October 31st, 2006 at 4:37 pmWhat is wrong with this? Do you want to force private companies to advertise where you want them to? We are free to advertise with whom we want to in this Country. If these companies don’t like Air America, it is there choice. This isn’t news.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 31, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
Just like it isn’t news that you support fascism.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:38 pmI agree with #10…..and by finally knowing the bias of these corporations…..I choose not to send my money their way. Now, this is a plan and a sacrific I can completely live with. Hitting corporations in their pocket. I will send an email to each company and let them know….that I know and I will be boycotting their companies, like they boycotted Air America!!
October 31st, 2006 at 4:38 pmThese corporations have a vested interest in keeping Republicans in office. They could lose billions of dollars in profits from years of raping the public if they dare to advertise on a program that dares to criticize Republicans.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:40 pmDang. I really liked Bank of America. Oh well. Time to move on. Gotta do some research on a new bank. If anyone else changes be sure to tell them why.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:40 pmi have no problem with these companies not wanting to have their ads aired due to politics, but I wonder if these same companies advertise on Limbaugh, Hannity, and others?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:42 pmPoint of interest; this doesn’t say anything about ABC. If they had a conservatist bias, they’d pull Air America without a second thought citing the every popular “bottom line” they have to be responsible for. When/If they cave in will tell us how they see this ‘tactic’
October 31st, 2006 at 4:42 pmIn the past I have heard advertising by Discovery Channel and (gasp) Walmart on my local AAR affiliate. I was wondering why I hadn’t heard them lately. It is important that we as consumers let these companies know what radio station we listen to and if they want to reach us, they’d be well advised to change their policy. It’s as simple as that.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:43 pmWhy don’t I just sell my vote on Ebay to Exxon or McDonalds and cut out the polititian middleman.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:44 pmIsn’t it counterproductive to marketing that one would limit the exposure of its company commercials?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:47 pmI don’t see the wisdom in this boycott by these 100 companies.
They limit their audience because of their political persuasion?
I like Steve’s idea. Can I sell my vote for a couple tanks of gas?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:49 pmBofA. no surprise there. Exxon-Mobil. big oil guys? nope, none there either. FedEx. they’re feds, of course not. GE. ehh, figures the guys who make engines and parts and whatnot for the military, etc. wouldn’t want to advertise for progressive media, so no, no surprise. Mickey D’s? kinda surprised but not really, I mean you would think the guy with the red afro slangin’ burgers like crack from the ghettoes to the let goes wouldn’t be down with the man, but they’re all just clowns in makeup so, no real surprise there. Microsoft. you will be assimilated. resistance is futile. what else is new. Wal-Mart. need i say more? U.S. Navy? as opposed to the other three military branches advertising on progressive media? hmmm, maybe they don’t need sailors as much the other 3 need soldiers and pilots… who knows. and the list goes on… big surprise of note to me anyway. Discovery Channel. well, they used to be good and informative, now their shows suck ass… i miss the dinosaurs.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:50 pmThat sure is some Liberal Media!
October 31st, 2006 at 4:50 pmGiant corporations are “Dixie Chicking” Air America.
Fascism is getting out of control in this country.
Rogerx2,
October 31st, 2006 at 4:50 pmCHINA MART
Rolling back wages in your neighborhood today!
i’m thinking the same thing, marie… just doesn’t make good sense…
October 31st, 2006 at 4:51 pmThat sure is some Liberal Media!
Giant corporations are “Dixie Chicking†Air America.
Fascism is getting out of control in this country.
Comment by OxyCon — October 31, 2006 @ 4:50 pm
Getting??
October 31st, 2006 at 4:53 pmCompanies like Wal-mart are obvious favorites among Americans and the Free Market, thus they prosper.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Nice opinion. I would say that Wal-Mart thrives because the economy is bad enough to dictate that people buy cheap foreign made crap that perpetuates the cycle. I would love to hear someone say that Wal-Mart would be their “choice” of shopping if they were benefitting from the economy more.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:53 pmI can’t even find this radio station where I live.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:53 pmBank of America has always been a shitty bank. They are taking full advantage of the new Republican pro-business, anti-consumer bankruptcy laws. Republicans forced through a little-known provision, that has nothing to do with bankruptcy, where banks can raise your credit card interest rate if they feel you are over extended, even though you have no late payments and have perfect credit with all of your creditors. This way they can increase profits even more and for no good reason. They raised my rate 5% and made it sound like they were forced to do it. They are not forced to raise your interest rate. When I told their rep this she was silent. When I told her that now that I’m paying a higher interest rate that less will be applied to the principal she was silent. This is why Bank of America is pro Republican.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:54 pmRoger you give AAR way too much power and influence. The companies were making a political statement.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:55 pmThe next time there’s a discussion on whether or not the media is liberal, Roger and Kevin will not remember this.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:55 pmNo, They simply don’t want to support a company like Air America that bashes the free market and business’.
Comment by Roger_Roger
I listen to AAR quite often and I have never heard this. Can you cite some examples of AAR bashing the free market and business. And I don’t mean when business does something underhanded or illegal or how someone may think the free market is slanted to favor corporations over the consumer. That is not bashing that is constructive critisism.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pm#32. right on! F@#k BofA. they jacked my money when i went under their stupid limit one time. switched to washington mutual and never looked back… F@#k BofA!
October 31st, 2006 at 4:59 pmBank of America raised mine to 32.9 %. I paid it off immediately, now they are calling me to try to get me not to close the account. Any way they can bend you over, they will. And the republicans keep inventing new ways for them to do it.
http://www.getsomejosh.com
October 31st, 2006 at 5:00 pmWhat is wrong with this? Do you want to force private companies to advertise where you want them to? We are free to advertise with whom we want to in this Country. If these companies don’t like Air America, it is there choice. This isn’t news.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 31, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
Nobody wants to force anyone. Sure they are free to advertise where they want to. And until we find out why they refuse to air ads on Air America, we have the freedom to speculate just as Rush speculated that MJF was off his medication or acting. So hush.
Now…it smells of politics because many of these same companies will continue to advertise on right-wing radio. Apparently someone on the right has convinced these companies that by advertising on Air America, they are endorsing liberal views. What fools. It’s sad that companies think they have to get involved in politics. When I take my daughter to McDonalds, or shop at Home Depot, the last thing on my mind is the policial leaning of the company CEO or the board of directors.
But I guess with the damned ignorance that still infiltrates this country, and forever will, I can just see a group of right wingers protesting that their favorite home improvement store supports Al Franken.
I wonder how many of these companies advertise on Michael Savage’s radio show? A year or so ago he proclaimed an American soldier a “hero” when the soldier admitted it was fun shooting Afghani men when considering how they treated women.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:00 pmNo, They simply don’t want to support a company like Air America that bashes the free market and business’.
Spoken by someone who obviously doesn’t listen to AAR. It’s like Cheney commenting on Americans having the stomach for the fight. Yeah, right.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:01 pmI was wondering if someone could put together a web site where we could send emails to all these businesses at once and let them know we will vote with our pocketbook and no longer support their commercial enterprises?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:04 pm#35,
They are always asking the government to force business to buy more benefits for workers, increase wages, and are pro-union. All these things are completely against free market ideals.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:04 pmSo much for drinking diet pepsi….and I have long boycotted McDonalds for health reasons. I guess I will have to send my Christmas mail by UPS, as USPS & Fedex are on the list. When they say MGM…..are they talking about the hotel or a movie studio? The rest…..I haven’t put much money in their pockets….so, it is easy to boycott them!!
October 31st, 2006 at 5:05 pmLOL – clicked the wrong link… must stop multitasking.
Please imagine you are reading the George Allen thread.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:06 pmI’ve made my list and I’m checking it twice…..gonna find out whose naughty or nice…..boycotts are coming town
October 31st, 2006 at 5:08 pmFor some reason you guys are offended that these corporations don’t want to advertise during air america programming. why???
air america is a source for venom that very few corporations would want to be associated with. plus, they are a loser and who wants to associate with a loser. advertising isnt about politics. if people listened to air america then people would want to advertise, simple as that.
this board is full of venom, hate, and intolerance…everything progressives claim to be.
WAY TO BE!
October 31st, 2006 at 5:08 pmRoger Roger and his kind are all for a return to child labor & getting paid in scrip, good only at the company store. Freedom pffft.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:09 pmNow…it smells of politics because many of these same companies will continue to advertise on right-wing radio. Apparently someone on the right has convinced these companies that by advertising on Air America, they are endorsing liberal views.
What is wrong with endorsing liberal views? I know that in modern newspeak, liberal is synonymous with badthink, please fight the tendency. Which is what we have here: this really seems to be a sympton of the hard slant towards the authoritarian right, where having a psycho talking head with persecution complex is considered to be a heroic effort towards ‘fair and balanced’ reporting. Thus, marketing managers get the willies when they hear their ad for the new laptop will be aired during a ‘blue episode’.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:09 pm#42 – Always? It’s obvious that you haven’t been listening. Nothing ticks me off more than someone who speaks with great authority on something they have no knowledge about.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:11 pmwrong…
people actually listen to limbaugh and hannity…
that same cannot be said for air america.
advertisers go where the people are. if people listened to air america, then companies would advertise there.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:13 pmNice opinion. I would say that Wal-Mart thrives because the economy is bad enough to dictate that people buy cheap foreign made crap that perpetuates the cycle. I would love to hear someone say that Wal-Mart would be their “choice†of shopping if they were benefitting from the economy more.
Comment by dlet — October 31, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
Wal-Mart also thrives because they come in to town and drive practically all the “mom and pop” operations out of business. But if you think about it, many of the consumers who complain about Wal-Mart closing down the locally owned stores that have been around for generations are the very same people that throw down the local stores by running to Wal-Mart to save a dollar or two on an item.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:14 pmThe companies were making a political statement.
Comment by ForTruth — October 31, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
Perhaps a mini October surprise, to see how many of the companies’ consumers might be swayed away from the big bad liberals?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:16 pmKerry lashes out after GOP furor over comments
October 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pmDeutsche Presse Agentur/RAW STORY
Senator and former presidential candidate John Kerry (D-MA) lashed out in a press conference today, stating that he would “apologize to no one” for what he contends was criticism of President George W. Bush. A video of Kerry’s remarks may be viewed below.
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http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Kerry_Sick_of_GOP_attacks_from_1031.html
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#51,
Walmart doesn’t make any “mom and pop” store go under. The free market is what forces the “mom and pop” store out of business. Walmart is free to build a store where ever they want just like we are free to shop where we want. Obviously, we choose Walmart over the overpriced mom and pop store. It isn’t Walmart, it is our choice.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pmadvertisers go where the people are. if people listened to air america, then companies would advertise there.
Okay, so what’s the normal procedure that companies follow to shift their addies to prime time slot? Would this be called ‘blacklisting’ or would HP rather write a letter saying ‘please refund our addy slots during AA time and send your contract manager over for a contract renegotiation chat’??
October 31st, 2006 at 5:21 pmThey are always asking the government to force business to buy more benefits for workers, increase wages, and are pro-union. All these things are completely against free market ideals.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Really? Interesting perspective. If we expand on that then corporations by definition would against free market ideals. I mean how can a company corporitize itself and receive special treatment if the field is supposed to be free and open with no special assistance given to any single group.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:21 pmair america is a source for venom that very few corporations would want to be associated with.
Comment by jojo — October 31, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
See my previous post about Michael Savage, who thinks it’s OK to kill people for fun and whose radio show many of these companies will continue to advertise on.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pmless commercials YAY!!
October 31st, 2006 at 5:24 pmUnions are the reason the middle class exists in this country. Before unions, the US was mostly poor people and a few rich people with not much in between. It’s through unions gaining worker’s rights, instituting a standard work week, preventing worker abuse, and forcing the raising of wages that the middle class came to be 100 years ago.
Free market ideals unchecked lead to abusive practices. Monopolies, worker abuse, wages below the poverty level, people without health care insurance flooding ERs for treatment, are the effects of unregulated capitalism where average folks just fall by the wayside. I’m for capitalism in general, but with controls that protect workers and consumers from abuse. Worshipping the free market without regard for humanity is counterproductive and leads to a cruel society (as we are witnessing).
October 31st, 2006 at 5:25 pmhttp://www.buyblue.org
don’t give these bastards a dime!
October 31st, 2006 at 5:26 pmless commercials YAY!!
Comment by Dog_named_Boo
A fresh dose of positive perspective. Thanks.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:27 pmOf course I’m sure no one from the WH dropped a hint to these companies about when and where their ad money should be used….
October 31st, 2006 at 5:27 pmThey are always asking the government to force business to buy more benefits for workers, increase wages, and are pro-union. All these things are completely against free market ideals.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 31, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
I guess you’ll damn the government for forcing automakers to install seat belts in cars too, eh? Think about that when you next buckle up. Or maybe you don’t use the seat belt. It’s your life, pal.
As for me, I wish the 1966 Ford Bronco I was riding in would have had government-mandated seatbelts. It would have saved me from being thrown out of the vehicle in a car wreck in 1983, giving me a permanent disability. The other two passengers, who remained in the car and escaped with minor injuries.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:28 pmWalmart doesn’t make any “mom and pop†store go under. The free market is what forces the “mom and pop†store out of business. Walmart is free to build a store where ever they want just like we are free to shop where we want. Obviously, we choose Walmart over the overpriced mom and pop store. It isn’t Walmart, it is our choice.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 31, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
Ummm…that is essentially the same conclusion I reached. Will you please read?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:31 pmSorry…
Correction:
“The other two passengers, who remained in the car, escaped with minor injuries.”
October 31st, 2006 at 5:35 pm! did you see it???!!!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Kerry_Sick_of_GOP_attacks_from_1031.html
October 31st, 2006 at 5:41 pm.
Sounds like evidence of collusion.
IANAL but I believe that is illegal.
Is that correct?
They might be in for some hot hot water over at ABC. What a shame.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:41 pmCapitalism…just think ofexploitation and people like Tom Delay and his Mariannas pals. Now think of Roger_Roger, Tom Delay, Roger_Roger., Tom Delay, Roger_Roger….scary creepy huh?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:44 pmRogerx2
A “free” market is an intellectual hypothetical in this day and age. Business don’t want free anything – except freedom to exploit whatever they like. They do want protection of intellectual properties, patents and the like.
If these 100 businesses are against AAR merely because AAR supports fair wages and benefits for workers, I’d be surprised. I would guess it’s due to political affiliation and ideology. Corporations like Exxon aren’t that worried about employee wages – they want politicians from the party most likely to sell their souls and hand out federal monies in return.
Most of the AAR shows I listen to support a “fair” market, which is the best to which we can aspire.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:46 pmThe whole advertising thing is cocked up anyhow. We’re the radio stations customers. I’d rather pay them directly and have no ads (and no political pressure) to worry about. Then they can say whatever they want and I can stop paying to listen. Same with TV. They put something on the air after showing it to a room full of monkeys, then if it gets past their board of directors (with censorship issues and childhood tramas of their own to deal with) it has to get past the major advertisers that pay the network money. Then if it gets past them, it has to survive the round-robin of critics who helpfully tell us if the show is crap or good based on their own 20 year-old notions of good and bad. Up until now, you and I haven’t had a chance to even write the network a strongly worded letter. Then it’s run through the voodoo that is the Nielsen Ratings system and has to get their stamp of approval every few weeks. Even if we are getting what people want, how the hell can anyone prove it?
This, to you is a good way to do things? We have the internet, we have Paypal. What is wrong with these people?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:47 pmIf the Republicans dare to hack, rig and electronically steal the House Elections in November and thereby prevent the Democrats from obtaining a legitimate majority in the House of Representatives, I suggest that Americans who are outraged by these continuing GOP election thefts mobilize with a general consumer boycott of corporate America. Buy only food, medicine and gasoline starting November 8th as a protest. Don’t buy any more DVDs, CDs, TVs, toys, clothes, cars, SUVs or houses or any other big ticket items. Eventually corporate America will get the message as their sales and profits drop. Eventually corporate America will force Bush and Cheney to resign and give up their illegitimate power.
Cheers.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:53 pmhttp://www.buyblue.com
October 31st, 2006 at 5:58 pm“free market” Comment by Roger_Roger
Sir! Free market does not mean what you think it means.
Also, I’m curious to know, where do you stand, financially and socially, that you feel justified to defer to the rights of megacorporations before the rights of yourself? The very idea that persons with your world view exist AND VOTE makes me ill at ease with the future.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:59 pm#70
Teh Kerry sez: “You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq,”
Ah well, come on this remark was silly. What’s it say? “If you don’t make the most of eduction, you get stuck in Iraq”. Yeah, well, film at 11. What he SHOULD have said would be “If you don’t have the opportunity or the inclination to profit from a good education you might at some moment decide that entering the armed forces is a good career choice and unfortunately might at some time have to fight a fight which was started for all the wrong reasons (q.v. Iraq)”.
Yes, he offered himself up for attaxx. Bad idea.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:01 pmThis, to you is a good way to do things? We have the internet, we have Paypal. What is wrong with these people?
Comment by Swordsbane — October 31, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
You are absolutely correct, but this shall not come to pass unless we the people do it. The mega corps fear the internet because it cannot be effectively controlled yet.
And what do big stuffy old white men do when they can’t control something? They kill it dead with fire, or buy it all up and hide it away.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:03 pmAnd the upside is you actually get to discover some good mom and pop places to eat! =) And not the nasty wasty Panchos buffet that RrOeGgEoRr prefers to eat.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:03 pmONCE AGAIN, ONLY 1.7 MILLION PEOPLE LISTEN/WATCH FOX NEWS/RADIO. THAT IS BILL O’RIELLY, NOT THE OTHER IDIOTS. HE IS THE HIGHEST RATED AT 1.7 MILLION. THAT NUMBER IS ALSO DROPPPING. IT USED TO BE 1.9 MILLION.
IN CONTRAST 6 MILLION AND GROWING, PEOPLE PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT.
MORE THAN 3 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE WOULD RATHER PLAY A VIDEO GAME THAN LISTEN TO OR WATCH RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA.
FOX NEWS RATINGS ARE NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT.
LEFT LEANING STATIONS DON’T HAVE GREAT RATINGS BECAUSE LEFTIES GET THEIR NEWS FROM ALL DIFFERENT SOURCES, NOT JUST ONE LIKE REPUBLICANS DO.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:07 pminterlocking directorates… too bad the Sherman (1890) and Clayton anti-trust acts were written so far back that they could not forsee how media consolidation would be a form of monopoly.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:07 pmIt’s very simple: buyblue.com
You can also google the board members of any given corporation. If they’re big-time republicans, f*ck em!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:09 pmWhy is the American Heart Association boycotting Air America? They’re on that list.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:10 pm“Free market” means free to buy favors from government to help your corporation.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:11 pmI knew guys since childhood that wanted to join the military and blow stuff up. A few of them actually almost managed to blowt hemselves up one day with a glass jar, gunpowder, a hammer, and a screwdriver.
Let this be a lesson to you kids reading this. Take the metal lid off the Jar before trying to make a hole for the wick…
now don’t go trying this at home Exley or RoRgoegrer
October 31st, 2006 at 6:12 pm#80
Wrong. You translated the liberal half of the statement but not the conservative half. A typical NeoCon debate trick.
Original:
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq”
Translated:
“Keep your butt in school, or you won’t have the resources to make intelligent choices with your life.”
There’s a big difference between what I said and what YOU said. One being that mine is closer to his implied meaning, and yours is more partisan rhetoric.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:14 pmRoger and his butt-buddies cheer the free market while supporting republicans who made it illegal for citizens to bargain together in the free market for lower drug prices. That’s really all you need to know about Roger and his butt-buddies. They’re are pure b.s.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:14 pmI wouldn’t presume to tell companies where they should advertise, but I would like to know why some of them have specifically singled out ALL of Air America for a blackout. Many of the companies on the list are not that right-leaning, so what is bothering them specifically? It would be very difficult for me to boycott them if I wanted to because there’s just too many and in some cases, nearly all alternatives are included (like HP and Epson — using Macs kinda limits our printer options).
Is there a way to be sure this is legit? After that, I guess all I can do is call or write and ask why.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:15 pmYupp and from the population altitude of 300,000 milllion people, BORe [O'Lielly] looks like the slimy little bacteria he is at 1.7 million feet!
Bwahahahhaa!!
October 31st, 2006 at 6:16 pm100 ABC advertisers have insisted that NONE of their commercials air during AIR AMERICA programming?
Fhew! Now I know which companies from which to buy. Haha =)
But I doubt this is as political as you would assume. Air America and its affiliates have terrible ratings and any company with a head on its shoulders can realize that little of exposure is not worth the cash.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:16 pmThis, to you is a good way to do things? We have the internet, we have Paypal. What is wrong with these people?
Comment by Swordsbane — October 31, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
You are absolutely correct, but this shall not come to pass unless we the people do it. The mega corps fear the internet because it cannot be effectively controlled yet.
And what do big stuffy old white men do when they can’t control something? They kill it dead with fire, or buy it all up and hide it away.
Comment by Ronin_Tetsuro — October 31, 2006 @ 6:03 pm
This is why I don’t watch TV or listen to the radio. Every TV show I like is broadcast on the internet and I wouldn’t shed a tear if they went away, and news?? Hah. Any story out there is talked about in the Blogosphere and if you wait for someone else to tell you what’s the truth and what’s not, you’re as bad as any Dittohead. This is also why I don’t vote republican OR democrat. I admit that the dems look great when compared with Bush, but that’s only because Bush is SOOOOOOOO bad, he makes fungus look good. If you told me I had to vote either republican or democrat, that’s like saying “I’ll either kill you now, or give you a head start.” Damned if I’m going to pass up the headstart, but there’s got to be a better way.
I assume that both the republicans and democrats are lying, and go from there. I don’t want to be right in my assumption, but…….
October 31st, 2006 at 6:17 pmMark Glesne: “Air America and its affiliates have terrible ratings…”
As usual, Mark, you don’t know what you’re talking about. In ten of the nation’s top markets, the Arbatron ratings have Air America shows in the top three slots for their times. Franken, for example, beats Limbaugh in New York, Seatlle, Portland, the SF Bay area, and about 7 other metropolitan areas. If you knew anything about what you’re talking about, you would know that bankruptcy status and arbatron ratings don’t necessarily relate.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:25 pmYes, he offered himself up for attaxx. Bad idea.
Comment by Yatima — October 31, 2006 @ 6:01 pm
did you even read the story i linked??? here, i’ll help you out:
The White House had earlier demanded Kerry apologize to US soldiers for implying that they ended up in Iraq because they were uneducated. Kerry said his remarks were not intended to be interpreted as an attack on troops, and were intended as a humorous insult to Bush’s leadership.
“My statement yesterday – and the White House knows this full well – was a botched joke about the president and the president’s people, not about the troops,” Kerry told reporters.
‘Botched joke’
During a campaign rally in Pasadena, California, ahead of the November 7 congressional elections, Kerry was making comments Monday on the importance of education when, according to a spokesman, he misspoke while trying to make fun of Bush.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq,” Kerry said.
White House spokesman Tony Snow seized on the remarks, demanding that Kerry issue an apology for the “absolute insult.”
no doubt tony got his orders to “seize” from rove…
and bless kerry for his stance and statement…
October 31st, 2006 at 6:25 pmc’mon, dems, more of that!
…
Seriously, it’s time to write some letters.
I for one do not want to give those self-satisfied right-wing radio-heads (does anyone else want to punch O’Reilly in his nose when he crows about Air America Bankruptcy) the satisfaction of gloating when a large part of Air’s troubles is due to the fact that companies are opting out of advertising.
Boycotting is all well and good, but unless we make our voices heard to the companies themselves, it will be difficult to get them to do what we want them to.
Let’s circulate an email. We can send it to every advertiser on the list, telling them that we have money and we shop too, and if they don’t stop the de facto censorship, we’ll vote with our feet and our pocketbooks. Also, why not another email campaign encouraging other companies not on this list to support Air America?
Anyone who wants to weigh in on this, send an email to mydogphil@gmail.com.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:26 pmNo wonder it was struggling, it was being colluded against and strangled by the corporate conglomerates who are afraid of the voice of the people.
-GSD
October 31st, 2006 at 6:26 pmTo assume that both sides are lying is intellectually lazy. There is a record. It’s available to all Americans. Repubs have been running congress for 12 years now. Repubs have been running the executive branch for 6 years. Are you pleased with the results. If not, don’t vote for them. Do you want congress to live up to its constitutional duty in oversite? If you do, then you must vote for the Dem this year.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:28 pmTHAT IS BILL O’RIELLY, NOT THE OTHER IDIOTS. HE IS THE HIGHEST RATED AT 1.7 MILLION
IN CONTRAST 6 MILLION AND GROWING, PEOPLE PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT.
So will Bill open up a Tele-Presence?
“The foul and mad preacher ‘ORHELL-YYY’ is defended by a horde of at least 10′000 acolytes who listen in soulless ranks to his shrill and unholy mad piping. He is thus very difficult to attack but taking him down means experience points galore. Let’s go.”
October 31st, 2006 at 6:31 pmThis is a little off topic, but since links to infowars website don’t work from TP I thought I’d paste it here. Just a little story about republican hypocracy.
RNC Accepted Political Contributions From Gay Porn King?
Josh Marshall / Talking Points Memo | October 30 2006
Last week, you’ll remember, the RNC, headed by Ken Mehlman, was running that race-baiting ‘bimbo’ ad against Rep. Harold Ford (D) down in Tennessee. One of the barbs in that ad was the claim that Ford had taken political contributions from “porn movie producers.”
But it seems there is plenty of porn movie producer money to go around.
It turns out that the Republican National Committee is a regular recipient of political contributions from Nicholas T. Boyias, the owner and CEO of Marina Pacific Distributors, one of the largest producers and distributors of gay porn in the United States. This recent article on Marina Pacific’s new marketing campaign form XBiz, a porn industry trade sheet, notes that, in addition to producing its own material, the “company acts as a distribution house to hundreds of lines, mostly gay, 40 of which can be purchased only through MPD.”
The company actually seems to be a trendsetter in the industry. As Boyias recently noted, “We have always modeled ourselves after a Fortune-style company. They are the models of exceptional customer service. We have formed strategic alliances with our vendors and customers alike, offering them tools and marketing to assist them in succeeding with their business models. Our one-on-one interpersonal relationships have never been duplicated in the distribution industry.”
Some recent releases include “Fire in the Hole”, “Flesh and Boners”, even a “Velvet Mafia” series.
FEC.gov lists Boyias as contributing to the RNC three times in 2004 and two times in 2005. The NRCC got a little too. But only $250.
The FEC records list Boyias as either “self employed” or as owner and CEO of NTB Inc. But the California Secretary of State’s website lists Boyias’ NTB, Inc as located at 7077 Vineland Ave, which turns out to be the same address where Marina Pacific is located. So I’m pretty sure we’re dealing with the same guy.
So, Ken Mehlman, for porn producer money before he was against it, I guess.
(ed.note: Let me say, for the record, that I consider pornography not only a legal but a morally unobjectionable product. People in that industry have as much right to participate in the political process as anyone else. And it’s difficult for the head of a political committee or a candidate in a political campaign to know the background of every contributor. But hypocrisy blows. And on this issue, as on others, Ken Mehlman’s a hypocrite.)
My take on it is that to republicans, money is money. Take it first then worry about how to spin it when someone finds out where it’s from.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:35 pmGotta agree with Bluedog.
This is less about voting for Dems and more about getting the people who have done more to corrupt America than any enemy EVER out of office.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:36 pm#89
There’s a big difference between what I said and what YOU said. One being that mine is closer to his implied meaning, and yours is more partisan rhetoric.
Comment by Ronin_Tetsuro
WTF does that kinda remark mean? Are you living in Kerry’s head? And I am doing partisan rhetoric? What makes you think that I want to comment on anything that you said? Where do neocons enter the picture? Questions and questions….
But at least now I have learnt that I have that neocon rhetoric-fu down pat without even kowing it.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:41 pm#96 C’m on Katy, I have all sympathies for Kerry but his non-apology apology (trying to make fun of the president) doesn’t wash a nanosecond. He fugged up during the speech.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:43 pmEveryone needs to watch freedom to fascism, while you can, for free on google, do it before TP deletes the post, as I don’t full trust TP, or di it before the govt forces Google to remove it. Perhaps by sending the IRS after them, and taking all their assests before they have even been charged with anything.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom%20to%20fascism
Especially YOU RogerX2.
You’ll understand that what you thought was free market, free press, have been hijacked. Currently they are using you, and your inability to question your govt. Blind faith gives them power.
I am happy to report that many of my long time republican friends, have finally awaken, and will not be supporting the GOP this election. They are tired of being used like sheep with wedge issues like Abortion, Gay Marriage, all those promises, broken every year, because truly the only way the GOP maintains power is to take these wedge issues and divide us. And no way does the GOP ever want Roe V Wade reversed, it will lose that 30%. Because then issues such as poverty, enviroment will finally become issues with their flock. Once they have complete power, they’ll no longer need you on the right either!
Folks the greatest experiment in democracy has been hijacked, take back our country, take back the Federal Reserve from the private banks.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:49 pmCorporations own the media. They don’t want anything out there that doesn’t indoctrinate you and me into getting screwed by the agenda of big business and liking it. (Like outsourcing your job.)
October 31st, 2006 at 6:51 pmToday, Air America. Tomorrow, your freedom to dissent on this site or any other. You repugs would like that now, wouldn’t you? If the GOP leadership advocated it you’d goose step right behind, wouldn’t you?
Just saw the coverage of Kerry on ABC, and naturally it was taken out of context and presented in order to provide a slant to benefit Rethugs. Kerry’s total response should be aired instead of just bits and pieces.
October 31st, 2006 at 6:58 pmCriminal Bush Compilation
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1137153381
MUST SEE!!!!!!!!
Please distribute, in their face!!!!!!!!!
Their words, their lies
October 31st, 2006 at 7:05 pm#108 Al: Yeah, I just saw it too. Anyone with half a brain knows Kerry was targeting half-wit Bush regarding being stuck in Iraq.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:05 pm#106, FToF, thanks for the link.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:07 pmI love the list.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:12 pmDon’t go out of your away to do business with any of the many.
They will understand.
Nickel and dime the assholes.
On totally unrelated news, the famously excentric Katherine Harris will bring out a book in which she plays … the victim. Luckily she seems to keep a Bible in her SUV from which she deduces that on November 7, the (literally, biblical) enemy will be, against all expections, vanquished. So get ready for business as usual, you Unbelievers! Nya ha ha!
October 31st, 2006 at 7:15 pmmore than likely a pure business decision rather than a boycott. Advertising dollars usually go for the ‘more bang for the buck’ rule of thumb.
I’ve listened to AAR satellite radio as I can’t get a good feed here locally in Carroll County MD., sure it’s politically charged in favor of Progressives…..but hearing both sides of an argument is good for America…I’ve learned much from Progressives and also Republicans…I don’t want to automatically discount an idea from either side…..so I listen to both.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:18 pmprogressive talk radio has been around I believe for 2 years.
Conservative radio – about 20.
Also, not all progressive radio is Air America.
Stephanie Miller is not Air America.
Ed Schultz is not Air America.
I believe they are doing quite well, and even Al Franken is kicking O’Reilly’s butt is some important markets.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:20 pmrichb, “aar radio” is good enough. Just keep an open mind. You will be progressive someday. Gotta start somewhere.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:23 pmLuck!
Exxon? I would never buy gas there. Arabic oil, and the worst polluters of them all. Wal-Mart. I don’t shop there. Anti-union and anti-living wage. McDonalds has nothing but salad that smells like Clorox, for us vegetarians. I don’t eat there. Maybe, they’re right not to advertise on Air-America radio. I listen to it all the time, and I’m obviously a very tough sale!
October 31st, 2006 at 7:26 pmwhy be ashamed to advertise on Air America when you advertise on Rush Limbaugh? he’s a hateful man that wants to put the country back decades… liberal is NOT a dirty word!
October 31st, 2006 at 7:30 pm#3
“roger roger”
None of the posts preceding yours said anything about “forcing” them to advertise anywhere.
On the other hand, having a negative opinion as to why they choose not to advertise is completely different.
What’s wrong with that?
If I don’t like a corporation’s political conscious and can get around doing business with them – I will.
It is my choice.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:36 pmwaydot has a solution.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:36 pmCitgo will solve your gas headaches. Prices are competitive and they support those that need to heat themselves when times get tough.
most republicans don’t know tough.
My personal battle to stop the tide of BS we’re constantly fed. Sort of OT, but somewhat germaine:
Talking Point 1: The Economy
When a Republican (can’t really call them “Conservatives” anymore) states that the economy is doing good, remind them that:
Our current economy was financed with more than $1 trillion of credit extended by Japan and China.
That’s $ trillion in debt. In six years. After squandering the Democrat surplus.
People don’t understand how large a number like 1 trillion is. It rolls off of the tongue like million or billion, and is never given a second thought.
Here’s how large 1 trillion is in relation to the other “big” numbers. If you disagree with my use of an average of 3 seconds to count each number, you may use any time interval you want – it’s the ratio that’s important. I used the number 876,987,654,321, and figured 3 seconds was fair.
If you have a problem with my math, so do I.
So….
3 seconds x 1,000,000 = 3,000,000 seconds
3,000,000 seconds/60 = 50,000 minutes
50,000 minutes/60 = 833.3 hours (keep in mind, 1,000,000 seconds = 11.5 days)
833.3 hours = 34.72 days
It takes 34.72 days to count to 1 million
Now it gets interesting – to count to 1 billion:
34.72 days x 1000 = 34,722.22 days
34,722.22 days/365.25 = 95.064 years
It takes 95.064 years to count to 1 billion
To 1 trillion:
95.064 years x 1,000 = 95,064.26 years
Bottom line: It takes 95,064 years to count to 1 trillion.
A little context never hurts.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:38 pmWow, this is so so Chomskian.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:44 pmHey Glesne, have you noticed that the areas where Air America does best are areas where people are most educated. It’s no coincidence. And, let’s not forget that stations get paid to play Hannity and O’Reilly. And, let’s not forget that we’re not working on a level field here. After all, this thread is about a systematic corporate blackballing of Air America and you sit there like a jackass laughing. You’re like a frog swimming in a stewpot, a-hole.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:58 pma-hole.
Comment by Bluedog49
Niiiice!
October 31st, 2006 at 8:04 pmstill didn’t answer the charge against you, I noticed.
October 31st, 2006 at 8:15 pmNiiiice avoidance, Glesne!
#1; About this time last year I got an e-mail from the USNR wanting me to re-up. Needless to say, I quoted 5-deferment Dickhead Cheney and told them to go f*ck themselves. Been there, done that-Vietnam.
October 31st, 2006 at 8:38 pmlast year when a similar posting went out about phillip morris/kraft foods not airing ads on stations that had air america or howard stern, i quit my 18 year marlboro habit
unfortunatly i didn’t quit smoking, i just switched to camels
October 31st, 2006 at 9:02 pm#46; “this board is full of venom, hate, and intolerance…”
Sounds more like a description of the shows by Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Michael Savage, et al, doesn’t it?
October 31st, 2006 at 9:15 pmIf you were a major company, would you want ties to Air America? Isn’t that an easy route to failure?
October 31st, 2006 at 9:19 pmI’d like to see the communications from the companies that ‘requested’ their commercials be pulled from AirAmerica… This seems just a bit too packaged and pat. It may be a memo after the fact, but being ‘reminded’ all at once with a huge list that would have been built up over time is ludicrous.
Or Big Money is scared their honeymoon with the government may be over…
October 31st, 2006 at 9:38 pmOr Big Money is scared their honeymoon with the government may be over…
Comment by Technodaoist — October 31, 2006 @ 9:38 pm
then wouldn’t they be trying to make nice with the progs, mods and libs?
i surely agree with the first part of you comment – it’s an ABC memo, i wonder if all those co.s even have an idea…
October 31st, 2006 at 9:52 pm.
[...] The Air America advertiser blacklist.Think Progress, DC - 5 hours ago… advertisers have insisted that NONE of their commercials air during AIR AMERICA programming. Among the advertisers listed are Bank of America, Exxon Mobil … [...]
October 31st, 2006 at 9:53 pmMaybe something proactive could be done, like calling Lowes and telling them that there are a lot of progressives are looking for an alternative to Home Depot. Rather than a boycot of HP, consider an e-mail to Lexmark. Rather than “Dixie Chicking” them, just let them have the “free market” that they have bought and paid for. Flood progressive talk with alternative advertisers and let those on this list find out what re-organization is all about.
October 31st, 2006 at 10:36 pmOr Big Money is scared their honeymoon with the government may be over…
Comment by Technodaoist — October 31, 2006 @ 9:38 pm
then wouldn’t they be trying to make nice with the progs, mods and libs?
i surely agree with the first part of you comment – it’s an ABC memo, i wonder if all those co.s even have an idea…
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Comment by katy
It was the only other thing I could come up with, but if I try hard enough I’m sure can come up with paranoid reasons for that paranoid statement…
…but why feed the trolls?
October 31st, 2006 at 11:00 pmWho can blame the advertisers for wanting their ad $$$ spent where progs won’t unleash their venom on their services or goods?? I spend my money at many of those businesses on the list and I’m DELIGHTED to offer my continued support.
October 31st, 2006 at 11:06 pm#105 Yatima: Taken in context, the Kerry quote IS OBVIOUSLY talking about shrub. This is the Associated Press account of what John Kerry said yesterday at Pasadena College. “Kerry opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several one-liners, saying at one point that President Bush had lived in Texas but now, quote, ‘lives in a state of denial.’ He then said, ‘Education, you know, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.’
October 31st, 2006 at 11:28 pmI agree with those who say companies can choose where they want to advertise. And I will chose not to spend my money with companies who don’t want me to hear their ads. Not a problem.
October 31st, 2006 at 11:43 pmSo these companies don’t want to be associated with Air America huh? Who’s next, Keith Olbermann?
October 31st, 2006 at 11:53 pmWhen will people wake up to the fact that the game is rigged!
t-mac
November 1st, 2006 at 12:33 amHmm…I had a hunch Noam Chomsky was right.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:45 amDoes anyone else get a queasy feeling about Kerry’s supposed slip?
November 1st, 2006 at 2:10 amSometimes reflecting on the inept campaign last time I cannot help but think about the Skull and Bones club.
The only thing I’m thinking about John Kerry now is that he finally grew a pair. He knows what is going on with Bush, Cheney and the rest of the PNAC nutjobs. Having been in Skull and Bones, maybe he finally realized just what these whackos are truly capable of and what they are intending to do to America and the rest of the world.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:55 amWell Kerry may have grown a pair, but he forgot to use a protector, and he left them hanging where the Rethuglicans could take hold, pull then cut ‘em off.
November 1st, 2006 at 7:18 amNice to know where I will not send my money to.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:21 amInteresting that Rentway is on the list. Aren’t they one of those “rent to own” companies, much like the check cashing and cash advance companies that PA has recently cracked down on for ursury?
It figures that those who have made millions by on the backs of the poorest and most economically-stressed segments of our country would would not be supportive of Air America’s message in the first place.
I seriously doubt that Rentway ever advertised on Air America.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:32 amSo let me get this straight, it’s ok for these companies to have their advertising witheld, since you don’t like them, and it’s all private anyways, but you got all out of sorts, becuase a private company didn’t want to present advertising for the Dixie Chicks?
Does it matter WHY they witheld, one doesn’t like repubklicans, the other doesn’t like slurs agains thte president? It’s all private organizations anyways. You all need to understand you sow what you reep, and whats starting to happen, is the repugs are starting to treat you the way you treated them. Live with it or change the way YOU deal with people.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:51 amOK dyslexic moment strikes. “reap what you sow”.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:59 amThese companies will be getting my business.
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