Kerry Says ‘I’m Sorry’ on MSNBC, Snow Still Claiming He Hasn’t Apologized
Kerry Says ‘I’m Sorry’ on MSNBC, Snow Still Claiming He Hasn’t Apologized
This morning on MSNBC, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) apologized for his comments on Monday. “Of course I’m sorry for the botched joke,” he said, calling his comments “pretty stupid.” Watch it:
About hour later, Tony Snow said the following on CNBC:
All you have to do is say, I apologize. I said something, it came out wrong, I’m sorry. And instead, what Sen. Kerry has done, is he’s tried to whip it into a big thing…
That’s exactly what Kerry has said. According to the White House, the story is over.
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Transcript:
IMUS: It was my inclination to try to defend you in this, and I said, I think I know what he meant, I mean it’s clear what he meant. But I had to acknowledge in my conversation with Charles that that’s not what you said.
KERRY: Of course it isn’t what I said. I left out one word, I left out the word us. They got us stuck. Instead of that, I said they got stuck. And they’re taking advantage of it. And here’s what’s wrong.
IMUS: Why not apologize for the misunderstanding?
KERRY: I did, I said it was a botched joke, of course I’m sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes? It’s pretty stupid.
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No air, no fire.
Sorry Ben and Jason; you can now put the pitchforks away.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:57 amActually, no Tony you have whipped this into a big thing. In doing that you have brought the war front and center before the election. Just a shining example of republican efficiency and ability, are you having any second thoughts on theat?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:59 amAnd now who looks stupid for trying to spin political gold from bullshit, eh, you two?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:00 amImus is a racist old sack of crap.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:00 amTo be fair to Snowjob, he probably doesn't know what Kerry said because it wasn't on Fox News.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:03 amI don't get it. Kerry calls the President stupid for getting our troops stuck in Iraq on a lie. And somehow Kerry should apologize to the troops? What world did I wake up to the morning? Where's Rod Serling?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:04 amJason? Where are you? Ben...Ben?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:05 amKerry is still sticking with that laughable "botched joke" explanation??? Wow. No one is buying it, Joh, You insulted the troops..Now, for once in your life, do the honorable thing and apologize for your disgusting comments about our troops.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:07 amI t probably would help to read what Kerry ha to say IN FULL about his fluffed "joke".
“This president and his administration didn't do their homework," Kerry said. "They didn't study what would happen in Iraq. They didn't study and listen to the people who were the experts and would have told them. And they know that's what I was talking about yesterday."
"I think Americans are sick and tired of this game. These Republicans are afraid to stand up and debate a real veteran on this topic. And they're afraid to debate -- you know, they want to debate strawmen because they're afraid to debate real men. Well, we're going to have a real debate in this country about this policy. The bottom line is: These Republicans want to distort this policy. And, this time, it won't work because we are going to stay in their face with the truth. No Democrat is going to be bullied by these people, by these kinds of attacks that have no place in American politics. It's time to set our policy correct. They have a stand-still-and-lose policy in Iraq, and they have a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan. And the fact is, our troops, who have served heroically, who deserve better, deserve leadership that is up to their sacrifice -- period."
"John McCain ought to ask for an apology from Dick Cheney for misleading America. He ought to ask for an apology from the president for lying about the nuclear program in Africa. He ought to ask for an apology for once again a week ago referring to al-Qaida as being the central problem in Iraq, when al-Qaida is not the central problem. Enough is enough. I'm not going to stand for these people trying to shift the topic and make it politics. America deserves a real discussion about real policy. And that's what this election is going to be about next Tuesday."
Let's end this discussion and go throw these fascist phonies out...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:08 amTony Snow is a liar, right? Yes, yes he is.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:08 amI read the entire speech Kerry made before the slip up and agree that he was trying to make a jab at Bush but slipped up. But lets take a deeper look at this subject.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:08 amNobody would dare say this in a public arena, especially during an election season, but if we get down to brass tacks, the harsh reality is that the vast majority of our men & women in the armed forces ARE indeed less educated an/or from a lower socioeconomic strata than the average U.S. citizen. I'm not questioning that there are a great many of them who serve out of a sense of duty and patriotism, but if you look at the statistical breakdown of the casualties in Iraq you will see what I mean.
Its hard to argue that the ranks of the armed forces are not being filled with less educated people when you consider the drastic reduction in standards our recruiters are now using to fill the quotas.
Its an unpopular thought, and I'm sure a slip-up, but what he said is probably pretty accurate.
Are you that daft, Larry+from+C?
Kerry insulted the troops, period. He did not call the president by name or inference. There is no way you can infer from the remarks Kerry made other than that Kerry insulted the military directly. Any other interpretation lands YOU a role on the Twilight Zone....
November 1st, 2006 at 11:08 amSeeing how Kerry made his staements on Monday and it is now Wednesday and how he has been thoroughly beaten up by his own party makes his apology a joke and you guys a bigger joke.
ROTFL....you guys have got to be the biggest dumbasses I have ever seen. No wonder you keep losing.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:10 amKerry is an idiot. That's why he lost. And now every U.S. Service member knows just how he feels about them.
He didn't botch a joke, I think he said, just what he meant to say, and we understood it exactly for what it was.
6 more days till the lawsuits and court orders begin!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:10 amspin spin spin
I heard what Kerry said. What I toook him to mean is that if you are poor you have a few choices: remain working poor, go to college, or join the military and get stuck in Iraq. Of course, this is true for the enlisted. All the 'conservative' radio and TV pundits bring up all the graduates and students of the elite military academies who become officers. To be an officer it's just about mandatory that you have a degree. But with the enlisted, who are the majority of troops over there, you can get an education, or join the military and get stuck in Iraq.
That's what Kerry was talking about.
Now Kerry wants to backtrack and say he was talking about Bush. It's obvious that he wasn't.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:11 amSen. Kerry said "I'm sorry about a bothced joke! you think I enjoy botched jokes?"
Wow, and here the right-whiners are trying to spin this because it's the only thing they've got on their side: spin and more spin.
Well, enjoy your spin as you go down the drain!
Speaker Pelosi will save us
November 1st, 2006 at 11:11 amexley, Mr.Kerry did apologize. Isn't that what all the hoopla is all about.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:11 amAs for doing an honorable thing once in his life,
If I'm correct, he did serve in Vietnam, right? That's not honorable?
He spoke out against atrocities, and that's not honorable?
#2 -- you actually think bringing the war front and center and insulting the military is a winning strategy for the Dems? Good luck with that.
And answer me this: why are Dems running for office canceling appearances with Kerry if this is playing to the Dems advantage?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:11 amOn the previous thread I posted:
For the record and the discussion, here are Kerry’s written remarks and what he actually verbalized. Both are clearly a dig against Bush, not the Armed Forces.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/
November 1st, 2006 at 11:12 am
#15 - So what you're saying is that what YOU say Sen. Kerry said is what he really said?
OK, Sen. Allen, why did you call black people "monekys"? We heard you say it, and what WE say you said is what you said! The standard has been approved by Doug!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:12 amIt is amazing how every time a Democrat states an opinion he/she has to apologize for it. What complete wimps! Kerry just demonstrated his cowardness.
I can't stand it anymore!!! Both parties suck. Vote Green! for real change and a party with backbone.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:12 am# 15 Douglas, you are right about one thing.
6 days till the subpeonas and investigations begin. We recommend Ice for the ass woopin you shal receive.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:13 amWho cares? Kerry isn’t running for anything this year. How does this help Republican candidates get their message out in this last week?
Vote for me because John Kerry said something either stupid or badly!
I don’t get it. It might hurt Kerry if he runs again but that’s it. Otherwise it’s a waste of a news cycle for trailing candidates.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:13 amI watched the vid on Olbermann. Kerry was refering to bush as STUPID,clearly, but the way he said it was confusing.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:13 amWho cares? Kerry isn’t running for anything this year. How does this help Republican candidates get their message out in this last week?
Vote for me because John Kerry said something either stupid or badly!
I don’t get it. It might hurt Kerry if he runs again but that’s it. Otherwise it’s a waste of a news cycle for trailing candidates.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:14 amExley + Ben...
One week from right now, please come back and take your medicine after the Dems have taken back some of the GOP's absolute power.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:14 amA trip in the way-back machine to March 2004....
At a black-tie dinner for journalists, Mr Bush narrated a slide show poking fun at himself and other members of his administration.
One pictured Mr Bush looking under a piece of furniture in the Oval Office, at which the president remarked: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere."
After another one, showing him scouring the corner of a room, Mr Bush said: "No, no weapons over there," he said.
And as a third picture, this time showing him leaning over, appeared on the screen the president was heard to say: "Maybe under here?"
Now back to Nov 06......
Did Bush or his staff apologize for this disgusting joke?
Time magazine's Joe Klein was dismissive: "Look, this is going to be a long, ugly election year. And I think the president should be allowed to have a little humor...And, you know, it doesn't upset me overly much"..
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, after admitting that "I must say, I still think it's funny,"
Fox News anchor Brit Hume concluded: "I thought it was a good-natured performance, and it made him look good only in the sense that it showed he could poke fun at himself.... And you have to feel like saying to people, 'Just get over it.'"
Fellow Fox pundit and NPR correspondent Juan Williams agreed: "I was sitting there at a table where everybody was laughing. I think you were at the same table, Chris.... So I think people are petty in the situation. I just think it's evidence that it's a political season."
Panelist Ceci Connolly of the Washington Post offered praise for Bush's comedic gifts: "You know, trying to be funny at these things is so difficult, and he is quite good at it. I mean, he really is very good at self-deprecating humor. The pictures were funny. I laughed at the photos. I mean, he looks goofy, and he's got that great deadpan delivery."
The Los Angeles Times penned an editorial in his defense (3/27/04) headlined "Commander in Comedy." The paper noted that "presidents have always used self-deprecation to deflect criticism," then lamented the fact that "Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe and other Democrats are acting like laughs should be banned from serious politics."
So I ask you again, why can't Kerry make fun of Bush's stupidity if Bush is allowed to make fun of not finding the WMD he assured us were there?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:14 amPolitics in America is depressing.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:14 amTHE RIGHT NITPIKS WORDS LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS WHILE I DRINK HALIBURTON FECAL WATER and RIDE IN AN UNARMORED VEHICLE.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:15 amThe National Commander of The American Legion called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize for suggesting that American troops in Iraq are uneducated.
“As a constituent of Senator Kerry’s I am disappointed. As leader of The American Legion, I am outraged,†said National Commander Paul A. Morin. “A generation ago, Sen. Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn’t true then and his warped view of today’s heroes isn’t true now.â€
ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 11:15 am#6 - Larry - Obviously you missed the signpost back in 2000. You guys have been living in my Twilight Zone since then. Or maybe the Bizarro World. I can't decide.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:15 am#18:
Only if you tell me why many Republicans running for re-election don't want to be seen next to Bush and why other Republicans aren't even using the word 'Republican' in their advertisements or on their websites.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:16 amThe Right just can't talk failed policy. THE END.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:17 amWhy can't John Kerry say: "I am sorry for insulting our fighting men and women in Iraq. I didn't intend to make such a statement, but that is how it came out, and I am sorry."
To say, "Sorry, that I botched a joke." is NOT an apology, so this story will go on and on and on and on - which is fine by me, because it hurts Dems.
David Gergen put it best - "John Kerry's big ego is the problem here, and he should just apologize."
November 1st, 2006 at 11:17 amKerry is still sticking with that laughable “botched joke†explanation???
Sigh. Another victim of the clipped quote. They did it to you in 2004 and they're doing it to you again.
Or maybe you just like being someone else's bitch?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:18 am.
Exley: Like so many other half baked half brained Neo-Con-Poops, you have no idea of what your talking about when you use words like Honorable.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:19 am#27...Bobcat....Oh, I'll be here. I make no predictions that the GOP will retain the House and Senate nor that the Kerry gaffe will turn the tide.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:20 amAnd answer me this: why are Dems running for office canceling appearances with Kerry if this is playing to the Dems advantage?
Because it's the fastest way to smother the Republicans' deformed lie in its crib.
Sad little thing. Never had a chance.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:21 am.
Larry from C
November 1st, 2006 at 11:21 amYou bring up a great point. What is more discouraging for our troops, botching up a joke about Bush's failed policy, or chimpishly looking for WMD under your desk while thousands of our brave men and women were dying?
#33 -- Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bush's televised reaction to Kerry last night at a rally for a Repub candidate?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:22 amjeez... who called out the ignorant trolls? ...ah well... they find us anyway...
this is for the trolls (hope it's ok if i repost it):
THE RIGHT NITPIKS WORDS LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS WHILE I DRINK HALIBURTON FECAL WATER and RIDE IN AN UNARMORED VEHICLE.
Comment by a soldier — November 1, 2006 @ 11:15 am
thank you, soldier...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:22 am.
funny, the first apology from Kerry? what class. Haven't heard an apology for 500 thousand dead from bushit.
what are we?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:22 amWhat did Kerry appoligize for? Is he saying that he was actually making fun of the soldiers?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:22 amUh, Jason? Read the top of the page. Kerry apologized for what he did, not for what you need him to have done to distract from the failure of Republican policy.
Looks like you'll have to make your own case, which means you're screwed.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:22 am.
Ben, Ray, Jason, Exley,
November 1st, 2006 at 11:23 amDon't forget to vote on November 8th!
David Gergen put it best - “John Kerry’s big ego is the problem here, and he should just apologize.â€
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
And he also said the story wouldn't effect races - but I guess you missed that part. GOP pollster Mathew Dowd also said it wouldn't affect any races negatively for the dems. But spin away.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:23 amSigh...
* Spending $338.9 billion dollars on a unwinnable war
* Sacrificing 2816 dead and 21,077 wounded American soldiers
* Between 45,000 to 50,000 reported Iraqi casulties
Yup. John Kerry's bad joke is more important than all of the above.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:24 amKerry Being Sent To Time Out For Duration Of Campaign Season...
Too funny… WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Senator John Kerry said he is pulling back from campaigning ahead of next week's midterm elections to avoid the continued distraction created by his remarks that Americans who neglect their education woul...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:24 amSpeaking of apologies, still waiting to hear one from Rush. If Rush's nonapology apology is good enough for the trolls, then Kerry's apology should be acceptable as well. But we all know that they want nothing short of total justification and vindication for their skewed view of the world. Ain't going to happen. As the Republicans were wont to say after the 2000 election, time to move on.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:24 amIt never looks good when a Democrat apologizes for a remark that the GOP twists into something else! Sen. Kerry has NOT learned from the mistake that Sen. Durbin made by apologizing to the GOP goons. Kerry would be wise to withdraw any consideration for running for President now > he made a gaff comment and has made it worse by apologizing for it > this just gives ammunition to thugs like Limbaugh and O'Reilly.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:24 amin reichwingnutia one mispoken or misinterpreted statement from a politician they have totally dismissed and discredited long ago= 6 years of failed policy
November 1st, 2006 at 11:25 amThey've already taken away Habeas Corpus, now we cannot criticize the president and his policies without being forced to apologize? Will we be waterboarded for not apologizing when we criticize the president?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:25 amOn ABC news:
What’s unclear is if Kerry’s comments will help rally Republican voters or help their party portray Democrats as against the troops to score victories next Tuesday. A Democratic congressman told ABC News Tuesday, “I guess Kerry wasn’t content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too.â€
ROTFL...yeah his own party....ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 11:25 amJason, you would quicker accept a man's explaination of shooting another man in the face than someone who botched a joke? He SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE and there were several conflicting stories swarming about including the amount of alcohol consumed. I mean IN THE FACE and that's just fine with you. SLUUURP FIRE and then nothing but don't you dare say a joke wrong.
You are assigned to life raft 1107 on the Titanic.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:26 amI've looked at all the "Election '06" webpages at MSNBC, NYT, CBS, ABC, etc etc etc, and can not find any office or position that Kerry is running for next week. Can someone explain why this is so important?
Hell, I told my nephew upon his HS graduation this past spring that, given the crap economy, he should definitely get his butt into college and study hard, otherwise he might end up in a job that requires a paper hat or perhaps a uniform and maybe a body bag in Iraq. I wasn't disparaging the intellegence of the troops (having been one myself way back when), just stressing the importance of getting an education, especially in the tight job market. Isn't this what Kerry basically said? I think all these RW spinners have lost their minds, are being obtuse, or are just plain stupid.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:26 amWhy is Kerry even running his mouth right before the election when he isn't even running in any races? He bowed out a little too easily as well amidst the election fraud that handed Bush the presidency.
Everyone remember on the campaign trail how close Bush and Kerry's family's were?
I think Kerry is a Republican tool ... a real wolf in sheep's clothing.
What good has Kerry ever done the Democratic party or progressive movement?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:26 amHe makes a much better Republican.
#46, barfly,
If John Kerry's insult towards America's fighting men and women in Iraq doesn't affect races, then why are so many candidates cancelling John Kerry's appearances? Why is Harold Ford demanding John Kerry apologize?
This is KILLING Dems campaigns, and it will go on and on and on until he either apologizes or the elections are passed.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:26 am#34 Exactly, Jason....That would be an honorable apology. Will Kerry say it? We'll see...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:27 amKerry Being Sent To Time Out For Duration Of Campaign Season
Too bad the Republicans are too stupid to drum up a phony controversy about an actual candidate. It's easy for Kerry to step back.
And so the lame story dies.
Next!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:28 am.
Tony Snow never served in the military and is a coward along with Bush/Cheney so it's interesting as they attack a vet who put his life on the line for the United States. Look Cheney likes water-boarding until it's done to him. Tony is still living those glory days of wanting to play in a band. He has shown America/World how stupid he is with his press conferences.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:29 amKeep grasping Ben, it's delicious watching you flail about as you circle the bowl . . .
November 1st, 2006 at 11:29 amWhy do the republicans think the soldiers got us stuck in Iraq?
Kerry said get stuck in Iraq and the Republicans say .. dont talk about the soldiers that way! ... why do the Republicans assume he was refering to the soldiers? Why do the Republicans think the soldiers got us stuck in Iraq instead of the Republicans themselves?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:29 am#53, Ben,
Great find! Just what Reps needed, a face to portray the Democratic Party in general. I thought that it would be Schumer, but Kerry just can't stay away from the camera.
I can't decide which is better, Kerry killing Dems campaigns, or watching that prog eat carpet when he tried to verbally assault a US Senator ...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:29 amIt's more of an appology then rush gave. at least the phrase 'i'm sorry' was involved.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:30 amI’ve looked at all the “Election ‘06″ webpages at MSNBC, NYT, CBS, ABC, etc etc etc, and can not find any office or position that Kerry is running for next week. Can someone explain why this is so important?
Um, because the Republicans are such jokes that they have to make things up?
There, that was easy.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:30 am.
Kerry should not apologize , he should go on the attack , and push on the failures of this administration . He lost his election for his lack of fighting power . Damn it such disapointing wimp.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:31 amAmazing that the neo-conservatives have absolutely nothing else to latch onto, that Kerry's 'oops' moment is the best news they've had in months.
What the prepared statement was supposed to be:
"You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."
What he said:
You end up getting stuck in a war in Iraq."
One word. Two letters. And Republicans just about pee their pants with glee.
Not like Bush has ever misspoke, right? And when he does it, it's 'folksy' or endearing.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:32 amYup. John Kerry’s bad joke is more important than all of the above.
To people who have to hide from the truth by making things up? Yes.
Bush has been making up Democrats' quotes for weeks now. Until now, no one was listening. I thik that's a good sign.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:32 am.
Remeber when (I'm not sure which) Rumsfeld or Cheany slandered all WWII, Korea and Vietnnam vets by calling the idea of a draft goofy and sayign you don't get good soldiers out of a draft? Did hhe apologize?
Anyone have the full context of the Snow remarks?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:33 amIf John Kerry’s insult towards America’s fighting men and women in Iraq doesn’t affect races, then why are so many candidates cancelling John Kerry’s appearances? Why is Harold Ford demanding John Kerry apologize?
This is KILLING Dems campaigns, and it will go on and on and on until he either apologizes or the elections are passed.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Um, last time I looked it was Kerry canceling - at least in every article you posted. He cancelled, knowing that his apology on Imus would satisfy all but the most partisan of critics - like you. Then he withdrew, to deprive the story of oxygen. Wanna bet we'll be talking about something else by the weekend?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:33 amWhy do the Republicans think the soldiers got us stuck in Iraq instead of the Republicans themselves?
Because they can never take responsibility for their failures. If they were honest about them, their party would be dead.
When's the last thing they got right?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:33 am.
Well, in post #34, I have once again given the Dems an escape route, but having done so, I have assured that they won't use it, for no better reason than because I said it.
There is no greater irony.
Have fun today guys, I am going to make my lunch ...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:34 amokay, I will ask this question again, as none of the anti-Kerry participants have yet to respond:
November 1st, 2006 at 11:35 amWhat is more discouraging for our troops, botching up a joke about Bush’s failed policy, or chimpishly looking for WMD under your desk while thousands of our brave men and women were dying
watching that prog eat carpet when he tried to verbally assault a US Senator
And now that there are criminal charges, this is looking very good. All of America should see what a thug Allen is. And to think he was going to run in 2008.
Another Republican: neutralized.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:35 am.
What it all comes down to :To the Soldiers and the voting Citizens: A VOTE FOR THE RIGHT equals more of the same.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:35 amNot like Bush has ever misspoke, right? And when he does it, it’s ‘folksy’ or endearing.
Comment by bobcat_grad
Let's hear Bush's apology for calling the war on terror a crusade!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:36 amI want an apology from Bush, Cheney and Snow for trying to intimidate a citizen and senator to apologize for criticizing a president. To bully anyone who criticizes the president is an affront to the 1st amendment rights of every citizen in this country. Its one of the most despicable of their acts, and that says alot.
I have criticized President Bush, Clinton, Bush I and just about every other president. However I wil not apologize for exercising my 1st amendment rights and neither should you.
When will Bush, Cheney and Snow apologize for bullying Kerry from his 1st Amendment rights?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:36 amKerry's 'Botched' Joke Backfires
Republicans, from the president on down, are jumping on the Massachusetts Democratic senator's remark that seemed to disparage U.S. troops in Iraq. Two Democratic congressional candidates have canceled appearances with Kerry.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:37 amCBSNews.com
1) when has the president ever apologized for any of his many blunders?
2) Kerry didn't misspeak, he was misunderstood... idiots misunderstand things all the time... as do people looking for political advantage...
3) you can bet Republicants will try to keep this alive through the election in hopes it may harm the Dems in some way... Kerry's not on the ballot, and this is a non-issue... hopefully the American people will discern these three things on their own...
November 1st, 2006 at 11:38 amI wouldn't apologize until the Republicans, en masse, apologize for their disgusting display during their 2004 convention with the "Purple Heart" band-aids that not only insulted our troops NOW but every valiant soldier who's fought for this country, right or wrong reason, since the Revolution.
Besides, Bush screws something up every time he opens his mouth and he hasn't apologized for s--t.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:38 amHave fun today guys, I am going to make my lunch …
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
And when you come back, we'll probably be talking about something else.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:39 amWell, in post #34, I have once again given the Dems an escape route
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — November 1, 2006 @ 11:34 am
So the center of the political universe revolves around Jason? Oooooookay.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:39 amDude, no wonder you have problems getting a "first date"
I'd laugh if this wasn't so incredibly sad
How Bush dare attack dems and independents and accuse them to be soft on terrorism , the moron is responsible for Iraq and the creation of more terrorrism and the reemerging Taliban . Impeachement would be too good for him , what shame was brought on our country
November 1st, 2006 at 11:39 amTwo Democratic congressional candidates have canceled appearances with Kerry.
CBSNews.com
Awwww! Too bad, exley. Now it's going to be harder to pretend that you care about this as it slips back into the long history of Republican bullshit beguiling idiots like you.
The story has been starved. Watch it die.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:41 am.
I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.’
This was the first explanation and it didn't stick. Kerry had the speech right in front of him. I would love to see that original document.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.â€
Now they are saying he forgot to say US. The spin machine is broken. This is not an apology, this is an attempt to say I'm sorry I got caught saying what I think.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:41 am'One Democratic party official said: "I would be surprised if you see him welcomed out there anywhere and certainly not in a race that is meaningful," referring to Kerry.'
CNN.com
November 1st, 2006 at 11:42 amI'll see your bogus scandal, and raise you, with a real one:
Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki is telling his inner circle that the situation in Iraq is "nearly out of control," according to CBS News intelligence sources.
Pentagon sources tell the network that General Casey will require 100,000 more Iraqi troops than the 325,000 who were to be trained in order to secure the nation. The security situation, however, has worsened and Iraqi troops have proven to be less effective than their American counterparts. Additional American troops may be called up to help train the new Iraqi security forces, and the U.S. may also double the number of advisors in each Iraqi unit.
As of Tuesday morning, the Pentagon is reporting 103 US casualties in the month of October.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:43 amAdding to the list of apologies, I'd like to see Bush apologize to the American people for saying that the terrorists win if Democrats take over one or both houses of Congress.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:43 amIgnore the trolls, folks. They won't listen to you even if you warn them that they're about to drink battery acid. This is all just a game to them, one best played by children in a school yard. Sorry, trolls, we have more important things to discuss, like bringing this corrupt administration to account for the laws they've broken and the soldiers they've sent to deaths that should never have happened.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:44 amNow they are saying he forgot to say US.
Yes, just like you forgot to paste the sentence before the one above, the one that introduced the entire piece. C'mon, it's easy. Kerry's been using it for weeks now. It's even the title of a new book.
What? You dont' know what it is? I guess someone's just using your dumb ass.
Like I didn't see that coming!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:44 am.
More Democrats try to distance themselves from Kerry's vile comments:
Democratic candidate Jon Tester, who is running for Senate in Montana
November 1st, 2006 at 11:45 am"
Sen. Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid. He owes our troops and their families an apology. All Montanans support our troops and want them to have the tools and resources they need to be secure and to return home safe."
don't forget:
THE RIGHT NITPIKS WORDS LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS WHILE I DRINK HALIBURTON FECAL WATER and RIDE IN AN UNARMORED VEHICLE.
Comment by a soldier — November 1, 2006 @ 11:15 am
November 1st, 2006 at 11:45 am.
I can not believe believe Kerry apologize......this upsets me. He was wrong with what he said. He wasn't even wrong.....even if it wasn't a botched joke. Why do people hate the truth?? When have we become a country that is afraid to call something what it is??? Is maintaining a lie at the cost of the truth more important than reality??? This is some really crazy world!!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:45 amThe spin machine is broken. This is not an apology, this is an attempt to say I’m sorry I got caught saying what I think.
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 11:41 am
That's your opinion. But if you haven't looked lately your opinion is in the minority.
No air, no fire.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:45 amTo: Senator John Kerry-Heinz
Re: Joke telling
Dear Senator - Maybe you should shelve the "jokes". Reading the transcript of what you were supposed to say and delivering only a partial statement, indicates YOUR educational accomplishments might be lacking. Considering the President had better grades than you in college, maybe you should stop while you're ahead. For the last 35 years you have consistantly painted the US military in a horrible light. Due to many of your statements, the majority of former and active duty military chose NOT to vote for "one of their own". And you're supposed to be the "smart one"? Smart would be keeping your mouth shut - - but since that is impossible for a "limelight junkie" such as yourself, maybe you could confine your remarks to the typical bathroom humour often found on "alternative" blogs.
Sincerely,
November 1st, 2006 at 11:46 amMighty Aphrodite
He is only apologizing for the joke. He needs to ask forgivness for any precived insult to the troops. If he didn't mean it he souldn't have a problem with that.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:46 amSteve,
November 1st, 2006 at 11:46 amWhy did Bush not apologize when he chimpishly searched for WMD at a fund raiser, while thousands of our soldiers where dying, and thousands more were getting maimed?
How do you defend something like that, but get all "wired" up for a botched up joke that forgot one word, "us"
Isn't the press going to bludgeon John Kerry over this remark this morning?
When asked whether we can "win" the "war on terror" Senator Kerry said: "Can we win? I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.
Oh, sorry. That was President Bush who said that.
(from Josh Marshall 8.04)
November 1st, 2006 at 11:46 amtypical snow/bush, much adieu about nothing. these trolls are desparate, anything to get a vote for the sinking ship. kerry, a decorated war vet, a man who knows what actual combat is, made a grammatical error, he corrected himself, end of story, no further need to apologise.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:46 amWith all the angst of Kerry's remark being taken wrong remember this...
ANN COULTER: "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers enlist. Their choice in life; prison or the military. Some will have to die in the support of our cause."
November 1st, 2006 at 11:46 amIntervention Magazine, 11/06/03
anyone that watched Kerry's press conference and still goes on about slandering the troops is a complete idiot, or drama queen, end of story...
why the hell would Kerry slander the troops? For what possible purpose? common sense, people! its SO obvious he misspoke and this was a joke on Bush's overall stupidity...
enough!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:47 am"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the Senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the antiwar movement and their allies, retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among them. For that there is no forgiveness. "
I support the troops....ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 11:47 amYou whacko trolls amaze me. I applaud John Kerry for having the balls to say what he said. I, unlike all of you, understood the context, which was to disparage George Bush, not the troops. But since your neocon boobs have nothing of accomplishment to run on this election you have to twist and spin something out of nothing to try and make your sputtering party have enough gas to make it to the election much less get elected.
Neocon talking nuthead, Rush Limbaugh, said that Michael J. Fox was faking his symptoms. Was that to mean that he really doesn't have Parkinson's Disease? Is he just pretending so get out the sympathy vote for democrats in favor of embyonic stem cell research? Rush was too stupid to even check to find out that the tics and twitches are a result of the medication and not the disease. But you love him anyway. Rush also insinuated that Sherrod Brown was black because of his name, "ShaROD." He didn't take the time (on the internet, maybe 5 seconds) to find out who he was and that he is white. What a dumbass. But you love him and all the other talking nutheads of the neocon whackos that have hijacked the republican party. The funniest thing is that you even fail to simply acknowledge the brain in your very own heads. Think for yourselves just for once. Try it. Release your fear.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:49 amConsidering the President had better grades than you in college,...
For three out of four years?
Smarter talking points, please. Then again, I'm dealing with an idiot who thinks that Kerry defamed the troops over Vietnam, so what should I expect?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:49 am.
if i had a buck for every time that bush has put his foot in his mouth....i'd be a rich man.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:49 am#8 Exley
Kerry is still sticking with that laughable “botched joke†explanation??? Wow. No one is buying it, Joh, You insulted the troops..Now, for once in your life, do the honorable thing and apologize for your disgusting comments about our troops.
Gee, that's so unlike you to be so conspicuously dishonest. But, you know as well as anyone else here that Kerry wasn't talking about the troops. He was talking about Bush. The feigned outrage by you and the rest of the righties is betrayed by your refusal to support the troops in any way but with phony words and gestures.
If you want to see who does and who doesn't support the troops, check out the graphic at the bottom of this page http://www.veteransforamerica.org/index.cfm/page/weblog/subpage/display_blog/bid/290869E3-123F-747A-1B7674B53046B987 . The articles above it tell the story, too.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:49 am#89 I have no problem ignoring the trolls (as you put it) and I would rather see a discussion on how we save lives.......not lives in the future (like fearmongering), rather lives I can save now. Most notably inncoent Iraqi lives and my friends/colleagues that are still serving in the military. I would like to see some of these people again in my life and I hate the idea that they are dying for ignorant and self-righteous Americans, who have never seen a day of combat.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:50 amStarting in the `60's, the republicans, (who are no friends of public education) put out the call to their constituants to run for school board positions. This action would be easy, as no one really cared enough to pay attention in those days. It also gave them a jumping board to higher office.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:50 amOnce elected, education in the USA started on a downhill slide that continues to this day.
WE call it, "The dumbing down of America".
Our education system is in the toilet; no history, no civics or poli-sci, no sports or music. Kids graduating who read on a 3rd grade level.
Being dumb doesn't mean your stupid, but it will keep you from getting a good job.
What is the alternative for these people?, join the army. If you don't get killed, you might just get educated
Starting in the `60's, the republicans, (who are no friends of public education) put out the call to their constituants to run for school board positions. This action would be easy, as no one really cared enough to pay attention in those days. It also gave them a jumping board to higher office.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:51 amOnce elected, education in the USA started on a downhill slide that continues to this day.
WE call it, "The dumbing down of America".
Our education system is in the toilet; no history, no civics or poli-sci, no sports or music. Kids graduating who read on a 3rd grade level.
Being dumb doesn't mean your stupid, but it will keep you from getting a good job.
What is the alternative for these people?, join the army. If you don't get killed, you might just get educated
Kerry's remarks about the education level of those serving in Iraq just shows the true mindset of liberals. Time and time again in the left wing blogosphere I have read posts calling those who serve stupid or without any alternatives and Kerry's remarks just shine a light on that mindset. He wasn't joking about Bush or he would have said "Bush" or "the president". Now that his foot has once again been firmly planted in that maw of his, he wants to spin it as an attack on Bush's education. I guess Senator Kerry forgot that Bush got better grades than he did. Kerry never apologized to the troops for his remark and will not because he actually believes what he said is true. Politicians always prepare for speeches including their jokes. This wasn't a botched joke, this is the anti military sentiment that this puke has had since his false allegations against his fellow Vietnam vets. He is a disgrace
November 1st, 2006 at 11:51 am#85 -- "this is an attempt to say I’m sorry I got caught saying what I think" -- you are absolutely correct. Kerry is still stuck in his anti-Vietnam days the way he thinks of the military. Back then, the military was heavily populated with less educated citizens as the draft gave passes to college students. Kerry still thinks the military is a last resort, when in fact the people in the military are more educated on average than non-military. This is the problem with Kerry and other Dems. They are stuck in the anti-Vietnam time warp, which bears no resemblance to the world of today.
And to think we almost had this man as commander in chief!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:52 amImus is racist and taught me racism as a kid... santana bananna... which I thought was hillarious... thankfully, I found false the stereotypes he projected and was able to think for myself.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:52 amI fixed your post MA, yer welkum!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:53 amBen, hows the kool-aid? and, just of curiousity, do you swallow?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:53 amPlease provide a link that proves Kerry said ALLVietnam veterans are thugs and murderers. and please, no link to a SWIFTBOATER, who has no credential
Kerry's gaffe is not playing to GOP advantage. Kerry punched back hard at his critics, and the punches hurt. At best it is a wash for the GOP, but most likely it has gone negative for them. Anything that keeps Bush's mishandling of the war in the news is bad for the GOP. Furthermore, it appears that only the right wing koolaid drinkers like Exley, Ben, and Jason are actually taking Kerry's words to be a deliberate insult to the troops. So keep flapping your gums about it, guys. Most Americans now realize that sending ill-equipped troops to die in a badly planned and horribly mismanaged war is the real insult. They are reminded of it every time Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld open their mouths to spew bizarre inanities from the extraterrestrial worlds inhabited by their disturbed minds.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:54 amKerry’s remarks about the education level of those serving in Iraq just shows the true mindset of liberals.
Right, 'cause it's liberals who are pissing away the troops' lives for nothing in the middle of nowhere, right?
Take your sad little stereotypes back where it's safe for you. Outside the spider hole of the right, no one is stupid enough to buy your crap.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:55 am.
hey, they only person I'm still waiting for an apology from is Bush. It's funny how the republicans can take the truth and spin spin spin. Kerry did screw up, but so what, we all know what he meant and it was the truth, something republicans have a hard time with
November 1st, 2006 at 11:55 amWho knew John McCain was on board the Swift Boat? Way to sell out a fellow veteran on your way to defending the coke-snorting frat boy who used his rich daddy's connections to defending bars in Alabama from the Viet Cong. While he was once considered a hero and a maverick, I now regard John McCain as a walking mess of dishonorable discharge.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:55 amIf people really believe that in this day and age our military members are "not as smart" as other people, you really have not kept up. I was enlisted on a submarine for years, and I can bluntly tell you most of you all here would never have made it, let alone get accepted for sunbarine training. There are MANY high tech areas of the armed forces that require training, some of you only WISH you could get.
To say they are not as smart, i think they are smarter than most of you all here, at the very least.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:55 am5 minutes to 12 eastern time.
Prepare for the absolutely nonstop onslaught of BS on this topic from the right wing radio, starting at noon with Limbaugh.
It's gonna be disgusting.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:56 amThis is the problem with Kerry and other Dems. They are stuck in the anti-Vietnam time warp, which bears no resemblance to the world of today.
Which is why they keep saying that the war's opponents are a bunch of hippies and pacifists, right?
Oh, wait, that woud be your side. If you need a doctored quote to "prove" your point, you're already wrong, so quit projecting. Your party made a mess of things and it's time you dealt with the real world.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:57 am.
A trip in the way-back machine to March 2004….
At a black-tie dinner for journalists, Mr Bush narrated a slide show poking fun at himself and other members of his administration.
One pictured Mr Bush looking under a piece of furniture in the Oval Office, at which the president remarked: “Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere.â€
After another one, showing him scouring the corner of a room, Mr Bush said: “No, no weapons over there,†he said.
And as a third picture, this time showing him leaning over, appeared on the screen the president was heard to say: “Maybe under here?â€
Now back to Nov 06……
Did Bush or his staff apologize for this disgusting joke?
Time magazine’s Joe Klein was dismissive: “Look, this is going to be a long, ugly election year. And I think the president should be allowed to have a little humor…And, you know, it doesn’t upset me overly muchâ€..
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, after admitting that “I must say, I still think it’s funny,â€
Fox News anchor Brit Hume concluded: “I thought it was a good-natured performance, and it made him look good only in the sense that it showed he could poke fun at himself…. And you have to feel like saying to people, ‘Just get over it.’â€
Fellow Fox pundit and NPR correspondent Juan Williams agreed: “I was sitting there at a table where everybody was laughing. I think you were at the same table, Chris…. So I think people are petty in the situation. I just think it’s evidence that it’s a political season.â€
Panelist Ceci Connolly of the Washington Post offered praise for Bush’s comedic gifts: “You know, trying to be funny at these things is so difficult, and he is quite good at it. I mean, he really is very good at self-deprecating humor. The pictures were funny. I laughed at the photos. I mean, he looks goofy, and he’s got that great deadpan delivery.â€
The Los Angeles Times penned an editorial in his defense (3/27/04) headlined “Commander in Comedy.†The paper noted that “presidents have always used self-deprecation to deflect criticism,†then lamented the fact that “Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe and other Democrats are acting like laughs should be banned from serious politics.â€
So I ask you again, why can’t Kerry make fun of Bush’s stupidity if Bush is allowed to make fun of not finding the WMD he assured us were there?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:57 am100. Thanks for this post but it will fall on deaf ears of the neocon crowd. Too busy sunbathing on the deck of the Titanic.
98. That's right. This President is a complete moron. Thanks for the reminder.
95. As opposed to this Presidents actions in disgracing the Services. "You go to war with the army you have, not the one you want". Yes that's Rummy and he is directly accountable to the President who has let the situation crumble to what the PM of Iraq has just called it "Nearly out of control". Yeah keep going after a Senator that's not running.
Dining tonight on the Titanic your table guests will include Exley, Jason and Ms. Coulter. I'm sure you will enjoy tonights conversation. We will be serving the Crow shortly.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:57 amTime and time again in the left wing blogosphere I have read posts calling those who serve stupid or without any alternatives
November 1st, 2006 at 11:57 amNice projections, not so truthdetector.
I have one of my own,
When I'm not being censored by the right wing blogosphere, I have read posts defending the pedophiles and their activities. Sick, I tell ya, Sick
Democrat Soldier apparently has forgotten the spin meisters who have tried to turn the Foley scandal into a huge issue, have implied that republicans do not want to cure disease, have implied that Bush lied about intel dispite the 9/11 report, implied that the Bush admin conspired to out Valerie Plame, and have even suggested that 9/11 was an inside job.
John Kerry makes a disgusting remark about the education of soldiers fighting in Iraq and it's spin? No sir, it's typical of this man who has demonstrated that his only use for the military is to pad his resume. He was called on his actions by his fellow vets in 2004 and your side called them liars. Now he is being called on his latest disparaging remark about our soldiers and his only defense is to call it a "botched joke". Your whole party is a "botched joke".
November 1st, 2006 at 11:58 amSheeaht!!! Ben, Hendler, Exley, Miighty Asshat, Daryll all share the same infected kool-aid bong!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:58 am"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down." -- John Kerry, April 18, 1971
I support the troops....ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 11:58 am#120 -- can't wait!
Don't forget to cut and run to the polls Nov. 7!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:59 amI would like to say as a veteran that I am more than disgusted by people who support the President's BS as the cost of the lives of my friends and colleagues. People like Exeley and Mightly Aphrodite HAVE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY. It is people like them THAT DISRESPECT THE MILITARY BY SUPPORTING AN IDIOT, WHO SENDS THEM AND OTHER INNOCENTS TO THEIR DEATH. To think I served in the first Gulf War, so these TROLLS could spew their uneducated unknowledgeable BS on a web posting. You are a DISGRACE OF AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. You know nothing about the troops, what they think or why they go. MOST GO, BECAUSE THEY ARE THREATENED WITH IMPRISIONMENT IF THEY DON'T GO!! How is that for NOBLE CAUSE!!!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:59 amOH, well, well, well. What do you think? Is he feeling guitly?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:59 am#99 - w"...what actual combat is, made a grammatical error, he corrected himself, end of story, no further need to apologise."
Comment by pete
**********Dear Pete - I hate to correct you in front of your friends but Kerry's "joke" was not a "grammatical error". A grammatical error had nothing to do with Kerry's gaffe - contempt for the military did. A grammatical error might look like this: " I ain't got none..", "Me'n Pete are goin' to work..."etc.
Beginning in the '70's John Kerry pulled out his VFW hat when wanting to garner some votes and spit on our servicemen in between election cycles. (If you would like some help learning about "grammatical errors", please ask any one of the myriad of "educators" who visit this site.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:01 pmHey #119...exactly how many submariners have been killed in Iraq?? Or did you serve on a "sunbarine"..whatever that is?!?
Go research the educational backgrounds of those killed ON THE GROUND in Iraq (the Brookings Institute puts out a monthly Iraq report that is full of statistics)
November 1st, 2006 at 12:01 pm#110... let's say Kerry were talking about the troops... even though he was talking about the Bush admin....
of course Kerry knows that people with higher eductation serve in the military... he was one. but it is utterly F*&$ing disingenuous at a time when the military has had to lower its test score requirements to fill its recruiting targets to trumpet the few smarties in the military, when they are the exception and not the rule. This means that the military is "dumber" on average before the requirements were lower. The Bush administration has though its policies made the military "dumber". Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:01 pmThey told stories that, at times, they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam, in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country ...
I support the troops....ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 12:01 pmJohn Kerry makes a disgusting remark about the education of soldiers fighting in Iraq and it’s spin?
No, it's a lie. You're either dumb enough to fall for it or dishonest enough to push it. Judging from all the things you got wrong in your first paragraph, I'm voting for 'dumb.'
No wonder you're a Reublican.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:02 pm.
Kerry’s remarks about the education level of those serving in Iraq just shows the true mindset of liberals.
This won't last til the weekend.
He left out the word "us" - too bad for us Colin Powell didn't include the word "no" when he stated Bush's case that "we have evidence that Saddam is trying to purchase yellowcake uranium for Niger." Perhaps we wouldn't even be talking about Iraq right now, but how great it was that we finally brought Osama bin Laden to justice . . .
November 1st, 2006 at 12:02 pmThere is absolutely no problem with Senator Kerry's statement.
The problem is with the interpretation:
(1) if you believe that Kerry wants to commit political suicide,
that's one way,
(2) if you think that the right interpretation can be EASILY and
UNAMBIGUOUSLY obtained from the context, that's another
way.
Is it possible to say that the President gets stuck in Iraq ?
Anyone wants to talk about it any more is crazily stupid.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:02 pmI support the troops….ROTFL
And this is supposed to "prove" your point? I guess you don't know about the history of free fire zones, eh?
Makes it easier to just use your dumb ass.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:03 pm.
103 - "I, unlike all of you, understood the context, which was to disparage George Bush, not the troops. " Mr. Evil
********Dear Mr. E - WOW....Your mind-reading abilities are AMAZING!! Did you win the last Powerball????
November 1st, 2006 at 12:03 pmI'm curious, why do so many Right Wingers read this site? Can't you stay busy at the LGF circle jerk? You're never going to win any arguments over here with all your insanity. Kerry has nothing to apologize for, and everybody, including the White House, knows it. This is the weakest "October Surprise" ever.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:04 pmTruthdector, John Kerry only used the military to pad his resume?! Then what the hell would you call President AWOL's service? Maybe I shouldn't ask, as you obviously think a slip of the tongue is treasonous, but a political party covering a sexual predator within their own ranks is no big deal. Nice sense of values.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:04 pmSo spake the 101st division of the GrOPer ChickenHawk Keyboard Brigade Cpl. Ben Gay.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:04 pmWas Kerry's comment a veiled reference to our "C"-student botcher-in-chief?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:04 pmTo say they are not as smart, i think they are smarter than most of you all here, at the very least.
Comment by Douglas+G.
That's your inference, gained from a desperate need to deflect from Bush's disastrous foreign policies. You only highlight your intellectual bankruptcy by continuing in this vein.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:05 pm#72
Have fun today guys, I am going to make my lunch …
Enjoy your lunch, Jason. Next Tuesday we'll be eating it.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:06 pmalright, this is what i took from it. if you are poor and uneducated the chances of you going into the military are 100 x's greater than someone who is rich and priviledged or heading for a college education. and folks on that assessment he is right. NONE of these fascist dictators have ever put on a uniform. for them to sit and say it was a blow to the military shows how stupid they really are. why would anyone expect 'stupid' to understand what he(kerry) was saying. if anyone owes an apology it is this criminal, hypocritical nazi admin. for invading, occupying and murdering thousands of innocent people for their own self interests. and all in the name of OIL.
F. bushyboy
F. chen-a-fool
F. rummdumm
F. woooolfy
F. lies-a-lot
and F. this whole damn administration
November 1st, 2006 at 12:07 pmWas Kerry’s comment a veiled reference to our “Câ€-student botcher-in-chief?
Yes, that was the whole point. In fact, Kerry says so right before the clipped quote that all the trolls are sucking on.
They have to pretend to be outraged, it's all they've got.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:07 pm.
It is so obvious to me that talking to idiots is not the way to get anything resolved. I must TAKE BACK MY COUNTRY from these idiots, who talk about BS and have obviously never served a day in the service. I am therefore ignoring these trolls, but would like to open a discussion on how to CHANGE THE GAME AND TURN IT AROUND ON THESE IGNORANT FOOLS IN POWER (People who use "the google" and "internets" or who think that the internet is just a giant bunch of tubes)....this is our so intelligent government that sent our troops to die and have killed many innocent people.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:08 pmDear Mr. E - WOW….Your mind-reading abilities are AMAZING!! Did you win the last Powerball????
Mindreading? The powerball has a MIND?
No, idiot, it's called English reading. You might try it some time.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:08 pm.
#129 - "....People like Exeley and Mightly Aphrodite HAVE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY. It is people like them..." Aptly named Peejay3306
********Dear PeeJay - YOU must have been the military service member Senator Heinz was talking about!! I served in the military (LCdr - USN) and my huband, Mr. Aphrodite is a retired USMC colonel. Nice try - but weak!
November 1st, 2006 at 12:09 pmPlease play again....
some of our troops have proven worthy of disparaging remarks - at least kerry shares the status of veteran, which should allow him to say whatever the hell he pleases.
i ask once again, who are the parents who are hoping for high SAT scores for their high school senior, so that they will be able to go to Iraq??
if our troops are victims of something, then it's Rummy's idiot war planning and stop-loss program -
did everyone miss the poll of the troops that indicates the majority of them want out of Iraq?
I tell my kids all the time to study hard and learn a lot so that they will not have to join the military, and I strongly doubt that puts me in a slim minority of parents.
funny how much a dose of the truth gets the pot boiling...
November 1st, 2006 at 12:09 pm“And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs.â€
I support the troops....ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pmWatershed, gee apparently you don't find it disgusting to call US troops stupid which is what Kerry did. He never mentioned Bush or The President in that "joke" of his. His past actions of lying about Us soldiers committing atrocities in Vietnam shows his anti military bias. His whole 2004 campaign was his 4 months in Vietnam. As soon as he got his purple hearts for the scratches he got he left while others stayed and fought. When the Swift vets called him on his 1971 testimony and how it made them feel, the democrats called them liars. this is how your party treats us armed forces. That is why they usually vote for the Republican candidates.
Apparently it's also ok with you to use forged documents to make AWOL accusations, call the president a liar despite the 9/11 report, claim he mislead the congress even though they saw all the intel reports Bush did, and even suggest that 9/11 could have been prevented despite the evidence to the contrary pointed out in the 9/11 commission.
You guys really take the cake.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pmThe soldiers in Iraq are fighting for our freedoms. As did the hundreds of thousands of soldiers in all our past wars.
One of those freedoms is the right to speak freely, so that even a common citizen can criticize the president. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers died so that you, I and John Kerry can criticize the president.
Bush, Cheney and Snow SPIT ON THE GRAVES of all the brave soldiers who died protecting our freedoms. How dare they even suggest that Kerry cannot criticize the president.
BUSH, CHENEY and SNOW owe every citizen and soldier in this country an apology for trying to bully us away from exercising our 1st Amendment rights.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pm#119 You can only get into those positions of training if you have a certain score on your ASVAB Test. So, again.....don't talk about the education level of the military. Speaking of which, what was your ASVAB SCORE....BET OVER 100. Mine was 144
November 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pm#150... MA slappin em around......love it great job
going to lunch....you dumbasses keep defending your boy KERRY the LIAR
ROTFL....CRAZY LIBERALS
November 1st, 2006 at 12:13 pmA sample of MA's juristic excellence:
Dear Mr. E - WOW….Your mind-reading abilities are AMAZING!! Did you win the last Powerball????
Comment by mighty+aphrodite
Win many cases with that schoolyard eloquence?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:13 pmHere's a little education for Mr. Kerry (god I hate the fact that he is one of my Senators along with Mr. "when the going gets tough, the tough get out and swim for it" -- what an embarassment):
99.9 percent of the enlisted force have at least a high school education; 49.2 percent of officers have advanced or professional degrees; 39.4 percent have master's degrees; 8.5 percent have professional degrees; and 1.3 percent have doctorate degrees.
Oops.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:13 pmApparently the libs keep forgetting that Bush got better grades than the distinguished pile of crap senator from the people's republic of Massachusetts.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:14 pmMighty, what's a LCdr?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:15 pmCrucify the bastard. He demeaned our boys in Viet Nam and now he did it in Iraq. This is how the left really feels. They love to say “We hate the war but support the troopsâ€. No they don’t. Republicans should ride this wave until Tuesday. Everyone with a friend or loved on who put their life on the line for us should vote to keep the bastards out.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:16 pmSo spake the 101st division of the GrOPer ChickenHawk Keyboard Brigade Cpl. Ben Gay.
Comment by Dog_named_Boo
As he couragously humps up and down the threads, a full pack of Cheetos strapped to his back.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:16 pmThe Republicans are in their last throes, if you will.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:16 pmCall 202 456-1111 and let President Bush know that you do not appreciate his using our tax dollars to go to closed republican fund raisers and call us traitors nor spinning Senator Kerry's botched joke into blatent lies.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:16 pm#119
If people really believe that in this day and age our military members are “not as smart†as other people, you really have not kept up. I was enlisted on a submarine for years, and I can bluntly tell you most of you all here would never have made it, let alone get accepted for sunbarine training. There are MANY high tech areas of the armed forces that require training, some of you only WISH you could get.
Your inability to understand what Kerry was saying doesn't speak too well for you as an example of military members being smart. I think they'd prefer someone else speak for them. I did receive "high tech" training in the Navy. The people I served with were no more or less intelligent than the general population and many of them were college graduates, too. I'm not offended by what Kerry said, because it was clear (to a person of average intelligence) that he was talking about Bush. His record of supporting the troops (and of having been one of the troops), especially when compared to those of most Republicans in the House and Senate, also makes it clear that he's not about to saying anything disparaging of the men and women who serve.
Admit it. You've got nothing to get worked up into a lather about. You wish you did, but you don't.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:16 pmAlthough many smart, well-educated people serve in the military, it is worth pointing out that this situation is rapidly changing because of the disastrous war in Iraq. Smart people don't want to fight in Bush's illegal and horribly botched war, so the military can no longer recruit enough qualified people to meet its needs. As a consequence, the military has gutted its standards in order to meet enlistment targets. This means admitting many recruits that fail the basic skills exam administered by the military. It also means accepting many convicted criminals and known drug addicts, as well as people who previously would have been rejected for physical problems. Recruiters, desperate to meet their quota, troll the sorts of venues where young losers congregate, to prey on the weak-minded. A few more years of this and the "all-volunteer" army will start looking like the army did in the final years of the Vietnam war.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:16 pmWhen Bush Cheney et al had their turn to honor the military, they got deferments or National Guard positions(which Bush still has never finished). This is not rhetoric, this is their lives.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:17 pmWatershed, gee apparently you don’t find it disgusting to call US troops stupid which is what Kerry did. He never mentioned Bush or The President in that “joke†of his.
Actually, he did. In fact, it's been part of his speech for a couple of weeks now because it's built around Woodward's new book.
Once again: I'm right and Republicans are shockingly stupid. Today, even more stupid than usual. I can only imagine it's because you're desperate.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pm.
#153 - LieBeliever "Watershed, gee apparently you don’t find it disgusting to call US troops stupid which is what Kerry did. He never mentioned Bush or The President in that “joke†of his."
No, actually, if you'd read the transcript (see above) and turn off Fox News for one second, you'd see that he was talking about Bush. Why is that so hard to understand?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pmDon't you love it when Republicans play stupid. They pretend they don't know that Kerry was talking about Bush and not the troops. Nothing is too low for Republicans, the scum of the earth.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pmLarry, nobody is trying to take away anyone's freedom of speech. You have the right to criticize Bush or anyone else for that matter. Kerry attacked the education level of soldiers fighting in Iraq and now calls it a "botched joke". Kerry never apologized for his lies in 1971, never apologized for his campaign calling the Swift vets liars, and wont apologize for this latest example of his hate for the military. The left learned that you have to hide your hatred for the US serviceman after vietnam. They never learned to respect them.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:19 pmFigures your the wife of an officer and officer yourself....with your high an mighty attitude.....yeah, how people have you sent to their graves and how do you sleep at night. Figures you support the the rhetoric of the republicans. Remember you don't speak for the troops....the troops are the enlist...YOUR JUST SOME WACKED OUT ROTC OR WEST POINT IDIOT....WHO GENERALLY NEVER SEE THE BATTLE. As an officer....you have no right to speak for the enlisted. MSgt. P. Houston 88M 24th Transportation Unit, Big Red One, Fort Riley, KS I am one of those truck drivers being decapitated by insurgents...KISS MY BUTT YOU SELFRIGHTEOUS HIGH AND MIGHTY OFFICER!! P.S. Did you serve in the Gulf War??? Have you been in the middle east....or are your comments from a distance???
November 1st, 2006 at 12:19 pmRush makes fun of a person with Parkinson's disease.
Cubin tells a quadrapelegic, 'I'd slap you if you were'nt in that chair'.
Bush & Co. lie to the American people for 6 years...about everything.
DeLay, waiting to be sentenced.
Dukester, already sentenced.
Duncan, next to be sentenced.
Scooter, trying to get out of being sentenced.
Bush, trying to complete a sentence.
Shooter, shoots a lawyer in the face while drinking.
Hasturd, covers up pedophilics in the House.
Boner, lies about what he knew & when to cover his ass.
Frist, still analyzing the Schaivo video.
Foley, making new pages in history.
Jeff Gannon, issued WH Press Corps credentials for poking Rove.
Rove, orchestrating all of the above while lying to a grand jury.
Jason, Exley, Ben, Steve, et al, ignoring all of the above.
Kerry, screwed up a Bush joke. (Admittadly hard to do.)
Gee, kids, I think I'll stick with my Democrat vote.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:19 pmI guess all the right-whiners will now complain about Sen. Allen calling black people "monkeys".
If Sen. Allen made a "botched joke", then so did Sen. Kerry. If Sen. Kerry meant what he said, then so did Sen. Allen. So, Ben, Mighty and Mr. hendler, stand up and say "Sen. Allen called black people 'monkeys'!!!" or be forever labeled a double-standards right-whiner!
You can't have it both ways, double-standard right-whiners!
Speaker Pelosi, save us from Republican excesses!
November 1st, 2006 at 12:19 pmWhere was Bush and Cheney's patriotism when it came to serving in Vietnam?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:20 pmWell it was a poorly worded attempt at a slam at Bush policies but it will (and has been) twisted by the Repugs and their followers into a slap at the troops. With all the things that have and are going wrong in Iraq it's amazing what the media jumps on. Hopefully this will pass quickly but maybe in the end it will work out well in that this could finish Kerry as a candidate in 2008.
It's things like this, handled so badly by Kerry and his staff, that doomed us in 2004, and I have no stomach to see a repeat performance ending where we find ourselves calling Cheney, Allen, Rice or any of the others, President in 2008.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:20 pmHere’s a little education for Mr. Kerry
If you're still dumb enough to be playing the "Kerry insulted the troops" canard, you're in no position to talk about anyone else's education.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:21 pm.
CZ, then why didn't he say "Just ask president Bush"? Oh it was a "botched joke". The only joke is that the people of massachusetts keep electing this turd.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:21 pmPeople tend to get angriest when they're wrong and know it. And they project their anger at anyone who points out where they're wrong. So, since the Republicans have spun Kerry's comment into one disparaging the troops because High School Dropouts might find themselves "stuck in Iraq" I thought I'd look for the backstory:
The Dumbing-Down of the U.S. Army
And some modest proposals for countering the trend.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2005, at 4:41 PM ET
So Kerry's remarks, as spun by the Republicans, were RIGHT ON TARGET!!!
The downward trend continued:
Army relaxes its standards to fill ranks
Critics say push to meet quotas may let unstable recruits join up
Anna Badkhen, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 11, 2006
And it's not just deficiencies in schooling that have been relaxed. We're also training these kinds of kids to become killers:
US lowers standards in army numbers crisis
Jamie Wilson in Washington
Saturday June 4, 2005
The Guardian
Drug addict? no problem. Alcoholic? no problem. Pregnant? join the Army, mommy-to-be and let grandma raise your baby while you serve your country.
There's more:
Title: Army Recruiting More High School Dropouts to Meet Goals
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/11/politics/11recruit.html?
Published: June 11, 2005
Army Lowers Standards and Increases Bonuses, But Still Falling Short of Recruiting Goal
June 14, 2005 by Knight-Ridder
U.S. is recruiting misfits for army
Felons, racists, gang members fill in the ranks
Nick Turse
Sunday, October 1, 2006
Army Lowers Standards, Meets Recruiting Target
By James Joyner
Tuesday, October 10, 2006
The Army has met its recruiting target but had to lower intellectual and moral standards to do so.
If Kerry's remarks were a botched joke referring instead to Bush's intellectual prowess rather than to the military, it still hits the essential truth behind military recruiting and lowered standards adopted to fill the ranks of Bush's War Machine.
If the Republicans want to drive this debate about Kerry's comment into one about the quality of women and men in our military, they had best explain why they were the ones to lower the standards in the first place.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:22 pm#110 Truthdetector
Kerry’s remarks about the education level of those serving in Iraq just shows the true mindset of liberals. Time and time again in the left wing blogosphere I have read posts calling those who serve stupid or without any alternatives and Kerry’s remarks just shine a light on that mindset.
Better put some new batteries in that truth detector. It doesn't seem to be working too well on your own words. Please give me one example of someone in the "left wing blogosphere", who isn't a right-wing troll, calling those who serve stupid. That mindset is your imagination. Republicans have been breaking promises and cutting funds left and right to our troops and our veterans. It's the Democrats who have been supporting the troops and veterans. Check their voting records.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:23 pmSo Ben, you criticize Kerry for allegedly lying.
Then what do you think of Bush? Do you think that Bush tells the truth? Are you willing to agree that Bush, both personally and through his spokespeople, lies on a regular, almost daily basis? The proof of this assertion is absolutely overwhelming.
Or are you just another right wing hypocrite who thinks lying is okay when your guy does it, but not when their guy does it?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:23 pm"Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."
Remember these words in the Downing Street memo that the media ignored. Proof that Bush lied us into the Iraq war. An illegal war based on a lie that has killed 2800 soldiers and injured 10's of thousands.
"Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."
November 1st, 2006 at 12:24 pmBush owes us all an apology for killing thousands with his illegal war based on lies.
MA
why don't lyou start debating on the facts instead of fishing for tadpoles.
do you know who the rothchilds are? didn't think so.
do you pay income tax? if so you are just as stupid as the folks lyou follow.
do you know who owns the federal reserve bank?
did you know it isn't anymore federal than federal express.
i ask you this for a reason. this is much bigger than bush. he is just a minion to the octopus(rithchilds) in fact nazi has everything to do with it. do you know anything about the prescott bush and the bush nazi dealings?
do you know about the business dealings(oil) he has with obl and the sauds. that has been since the 70's.
seems to me all lyou know is how to talk shit about nothing and want to insult folks and that is the reichwing way.
ooooooo weapons of mass fear as you so far up bushies ass the only time lyou see daylight is when he yawns.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pmgrow up mighystupid. next......
"Kerry’s remarks about the education level of those serving in Iraq just shows the true mindset of liberals" - by truthdetector
First, his remarks weren't about the education level of those serving. It was clearly about the education level of those leading. Next time, try to make an opinion for yourself before piling on to the Republican talking points memos.
Second, the Bush administration's no child left behind program paves the way for the military to have unimpeded access to students records including address and phone number. It's a requirement in order to get the NCLB funding. The recruiters then target the lower income schools where the chances of recruitment are much higher statistically. So in fact, the Bush policy takes advantage of the fact that those with lower education levels and fewer career options are lured quite easily into a military job with promises of good pay and great adventure, only to be shit on later when veteran programs funding is cut, again by the Bush administration.
So ask yourself, who should be apologizing to the troops?
Where is Bush's apology for his botched "Iraq joke" of a war?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pmThis is a great distraction from the Foley scandal, no?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pmKerry never apologized for his lies in 1971,
What lies? Or are you just in denial about what happened over there?
never apologized for his campaign calling the Swift vets liars,
You mean like the one who lost his job for singing a false affidavit? Or do you mean the one who admitted they signed them sight unseen? Or do you mean the one who retracted his affidavit once he found out what was in it? Or maybe you mean their leader who said they were never in Cambodia, only to turn up on the Nixon tapes admitting they were in Cambodia?
You mean those liars?
and wont apologize for this latest example of his hate for the military.
It's only the latest example of you not being able to handle the real world. Come out and deal with the facts when you get some guts.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pm.
It is really simple. The republicans want Kerry to apologize for something he never meant. Screw em, and the horse they rode in on.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pmWhy would Tony Snow listen to MSNBC? All they are allowed to have on in the WH is Fox.
They wont listen to Imus about thimerosal in vaccines harming children so why should they listen to apologies on Imus?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:27 pmCan we all now agree that anyone who still holds to the belief that Kerry insulted the troops is hanging a virtual "I'm with Stupid" sign around their neck?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pmIt is amazing how every time a Democrat states an opinion he/she has to apologize for it. What complete wimps! Kerry just demonstrated his cowardness.
I can’t stand it anymore!!! Both parties suck. Vote Green! for real change and a party with backbone.
Comment by VOTE GREEN — November 1, 2006 @ 11:12 am
Bingo. The Republicans lie to us and then say they were mistaken and STILL refuse to apoligize. The democrats blow a joke out their ass. It is misconstrued as an attack against a totally different group of people and he has no cause to apologize. Instead, Kerry is basically taking responsibility not for the remark, but for the way it was misrepresented. He's a wimp and the republicans are now even taking him on for apologizing. Which is it boys?
Put them both out of our misery. Vote for another party for a change. We've had blow-jobs in the oval office, leaders who change their minds more often than they change underwear, wimps, idiots, Star Wars, illegal arms deals, propping up dictators, lying in order to start a war, stripping of American rights and a debt higher than it's ever been.... ever. This from the people who are experienced in politics and knowledgable about the issues. Jesus Christ! Please give me some other people else this time around.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pmThe OCTOBER SURPRISE -- Its Kerry
This bruhaha does nothing for the Dem base one way or the other. The one thing it's done it to energize the conservative wing which had been more than lethargic. And this is with one week to the election.
Amazing. Even Dems seeking election are asking Kerry to stay away - far away.
Let me understand. This -- what Kerry said -- was a joke and the subject of his joke was Bush. Is that Right?
Ok... 1st, wasn't a funny joke -- but then who expects Kerry to be standup material?
2nd, the joke doesn't make sense. If he was talking about Bush, he wasn't talking about someone who's uneducated. Bush, you remember is ivy league educated. Bush had higher SATs than Kerry. Bush scored higher on the one test they took in common. Bush beat Kerry in the election.
So, the joke doesn't make sense in that respect.
OK... let's give Kerry the benefit of the doubt. He misspoke..... damn, why doesn't he just apologise and get on with it?????? Or, at the very least, like Imus suggested -- shut up?
Oh, well, Like I said --- OCTOBER SURPRISE.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pm153-
The swiftboat campaign is easily the dirtiest campaign ever hatched against an American politician. Do you believe he self-inflicted his wounds in Vietnam? Do you go that far?
Only the McCain "illegitimate black baby" whisper campaign even comes close, IMO.
So no, I don't think any of those things are "disgusting", because I don't believe a word of them is true.
The context of Kerry's speech is OBVIOUS. It is completely disingenuous to feign "outrage" over this. For shame.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:29 pm#180...Thank you, you've articulated what I've been trying to say perfectly. The repubs are spinning this right into a seperate FACTUAL statement...the military truly IS lowering their standards to meet enlistment quotas because no one else will join. The Bush legacy is a multi-faceted failure.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:29 pmMIKEY:::
SO, the joke was on the education level of commander in chief?? read my comments
November 1st, 2006 at 12:29 pm#155, mine was so long ago, the max was 80 I think, it was the "OLD" asvab. My nfqt was also very high.
As yours was also high, and you know that the military has people of ALL levels in intelligence, don't you also feel slighted that we have all been lumped together by several people here, as being unintelligent?
It prove's their lack of knowledge about what they speak of.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:30 pmListen to these morons. Either trying to defend Mr Swifty as his boat sinks or completely changing the subject. He was talking about them entering the military. Nothing about Bush. He was putting down soldiers again and it should be in the news every day. Look at the Democrats distancing themselves already but the lefty losers on this site can't see that.
Oh, I am so Happy - ROTFL
November 1st, 2006 at 12:32 pmThe OCTOBER SURPRISE — Its Kerry
This bruhaha does nothing for the Dem base one way or the other. The one thing it’s done it to energize the conservative wing which had been more than lethargic.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
Dream on, koolaid drinker.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:32 pmOh, well, Like I said — OCTOBER SURPRISE.
Comment by Jkelly
Like I said: "I'm with Stupid."
November 1st, 2006 at 12:33 pmIt may not have been intentional...but John Kerry put the Iraq issue front and center for the final days of the election campaign. That should help put several Democrats over the top in close races. Good man, John!
November 1st, 2006 at 12:33 pmIt may not have been intentional...but John Kerry put the Iraq issue front and center for the final days of the election campaign. That should help put several Democrats over the top in close races. Good man, John!
November 1st, 2006 at 12:33 pmAnother thought:
Kerry should've known the "joke" would cause a uproar - and 'possibly' get misconstrued.
Extreamly bad judgement? Perhaps.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:34 pm193, 1. It was a funny joke to me, humor is subjective.
2., Education continues beyond college. Kerry continued to live and learn. Bush became and alcoholic and continued using other hard drugs. So while Kerry continued to learn Bush continued to damage his brain. There's absolutely no question TODAY who'd score higher on a SAT, IQ Test or any other measure of brain power.
3. He shouldn't apologize because we have a 1st Amendment which allows us to criticize the President.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:34 pmWhen you compare the military....compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. Do NOT PUT OFFICERS EDUCATION PERCENTAGES IN WITH THOSE THAT ARE ENLISTED!! The enlisted educational levels are generally H.S. Diploma at best. In my basic training battalion, 3% of the enlisted had attended college or obtained a degree. 38% entered with a G.E.D. and the rest had a high school diploma. The education requirement for enlisted is a H.S. Diploma or the G.E.D. The G.E.D. was created by the military in 1942 to circumvent the minimal education requirement of a H.S. Diploma. The military made the G.E.D. virtually impossible to flunk, thus ensuring that even a slowest and not so educated person could pass!! Officers on the other hand (with the exception of those promoted in war time) are require to minimally have an associates degree (i.e.; you must have this for OCS) and most have 4 years (Rotc, West Point, Naval Academy....etc). So, please realize that the military is a CASTE SYSTEM and it has two tiers. For example: If Miss Mighty Aphrodite had married an enlisted member (AND NOT HER OFFICER HUSBAND).....she should could have been asked to resigned her commission, she could have face charges of fraternization with an enlisted member.......yes, she's an officer through an through, but she KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE EDUCATION OR THE LIVES OF THE ENLISTED. Thank God she didn't fall in love with an enlisted member....her career would have been over. Wonder what she would have to say about the military then??????
November 1st, 2006 at 12:35 pmIt prove’s their lack of knowledge about what they speak of.
Comment by Douglas+G. —
Only yours, my boy, only yours.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:35 pm#127 Ben
“There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.†— John Kerry, April 18, 1971
What's your point, Ben? That entire quote is absolutely true. What part of it is supposed to bother us? Kerry did not say "all soldiers are murderers," but saying "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones" is just plain fact. What's your problem with that? His unit was ordered along with the other swift boats to fire at anyone found in a "free fire zone" and it didn't matter whether the person was 8 years old or 80 years old. That's what Adm. Hoffman (one of your beloved swift boat liars for Bush) had ordered them to do. Please explain what it is you're trying to tell us with that quote. If you know, that is.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:35 pmWhen you read this, bear in mind that I am passionately seeking to support a big Democratic victory next week. Unfortunately, the right wing spin is taking hold with many people out there that the issue is than Kerry's words are offensive to the troops.
They keep saying that he ought to apologize. Kerry has declined to do this.
I think that Senator Kerry should apologize, but make it clear that he is apologizing to the troops, not to the President.
I think that he should do so with a prominent statement on national media. Certainly, he should be able to get major national news coverage for this.
The statement should be along the following lines.
I understand that my statement yesterday may be seen as offensive to our troops.
Let me make it perfectly clear that I respect and support you as the troops who are bearing the brunt of this unfortunate war. I know what you are going through because I have served as you are doing now. My remarks yesterday may have given you the impression that I feel otherwise. Let me assure you that that is not the case. I apologize to you for any distress which I have caused.
That said, the intent of my comments was to point out that President Bush ...
November 1st, 2006 at 12:35 pmbarfly...
I sit 10 miles from Camp Pendleton. I talk to a lot of men & women in the service. They took Kerry's words for what they were - a slam on men & women now in the military. Calling them stupid too?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:36 pm“this is an attempt to say I’m sorry I got caught saying what I thinkâ€
Kinda like Jean Schmidt's "apology" to John Murtha:
November 1st, 2006 at 12:36 pm
jkelly
2nd, the joke doesn’t make sense. If he was talking about Bush, he wasn’t talking about someone who’s uneducated. Bush, you remember is ivy league educated. Bush had higher SATs than Kerry. Bush scored higher on the one test they took in common. Bush beat Kerry in the election.
how did he get into an ivy league school anyhow? by his daddy and grandaddy. he was a d/c student in highschool and needed help with that. he must have snorted/drank his schoolwork. o' and let's not ever forget how he went awol from the guards. must have been to scuuurrrrrred. priviledged is what got him to where he is. him alone he would be under a bridge drinking boones.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:36 pmThis is awesome. No talk of policy because the republicans can't. No talk on the specifics of Iraq because there's nothing good to talk about. Don't dare mention the thugs for Allen or the smut from Corker because these are actual issues.
Go ahead continue to get your dander up for something the man already apologized for. Live your life in a continual spiral of fear and smear. The clock is ticking and I do believe an Iceberg has been spotted.
over 180 posts after he apologized. It must truly suck to be you who allow snipets and half truths to be your guiding light.
I'm still waiting mighty aphrodite what's a LCdr. Is it a Large Creepy dyke rubber?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:36 pmALL KERRY NEEDS TO SAY: "I APOLOGIZE FOR BOTCHING THE JOKE, PREDIDENT BUSH NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE FOR BOTCHING THE WAR."
November 1st, 2006 at 12:37 pmPhil....
You're right about that. Problem is - he should've done it right away. It's too late for a apology which will sound hollow and synthezised by his handlers. Don't you think?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:38 pm“Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy.â€
Remember these words in the Downing Street memo that the media ignored. Proof that Bush lied us into the Iraq war. An illegal war based on a lie that has killed 2800 soldiers and injured 10’s of thousands.
“Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy.â€
Bush owes us all an apology for killing thousands with his illegal war based on lies.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:38 pmKerry did the right thing, and has gone home. He needs to shut up and leave comedy to the professionals. I heard what he said and it sounds exactly what it sounds like and he meant it. He should apologize for saying something so incredibly stupid. Now that I have said that we also have to realize the "idiots" who are responsible for "being stuck in Iraq" do not have any right to to say crap about what Kerry said. They are the ones who need to apologize to untold millions of people who are going to be affected by GWB attacking the wrong country. The historians will writing volumes of how badly the Bush administration has bungled everything it has touched. We need to be lead by folks who are practical and have a little sense. Six years of the country being by total and complete f-ups can only last for so long. So stay home and shut up Kerry, you had your chance... Time to sit down and shut your mouth. But a least Kerry doesn't have to worry about his legacy compared to the Bush admin. I with like to call this Presidential period the "the idiot years".
November 1st, 2006 at 12:39 pmDemocrat Soldier, where are the statements from Webb using racial slurrs? Where was the calls for resignation over Harry Reid's crooked land deal? Where is the call to investigate how these Foley E-mails were shopped around to journalists by a left wing group? why are rumors about more victims used as news and then nothing comes of them? Kerry insulted the troops and now wants to spin it as a botched joke. This man compred US soldiers to Genghis Khan and then called his fellow vets liars when they called him on it. He has a habit of insulting and lying about US soldiers and using his 4 month stay in Vietnam to pad his resume.
Your side turns diseases into political campaign issues, tries to use forged documents to attack a sitting president, call him a liar, a war monger, a killer, compare him to Hitler, accuse him of allowing 9/11 to happen, accuse his administration of outing Valerie Plame and haven't offered one apology for any of these disgusting lies, false accusations, and dirty tactics. Your side does these things because you have no ideas & no platform on how to protect america. you attack the tools and programs Bush has used to protect Us soil for over 5 years without offering any alternatives. It's no wonder the symbol for the Democrat party is a jackass.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:39 pmHe was talking about them entering the military. Nothing about Bush. He was putting down soldiers again and it should be in the news every day. Look at the Democrats distancing themselves already but the lefty losers on this site can’t see that.
Comment by Happy+Guy — November 1, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
He was attempting to segue. He did it clumsily, but he did not disparage the troops! Another proud member of the "I'm with Stupid" Club.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:40 pmKeep focused People.
The midterm election is not about John Kerry.
Focus on getting yourself out to vote on voting day.
Focus on helping others who may need a ride or just a friend to go with him/her to the poles.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:40 pmYou know, ALL the Rethugs have is "LOOK OVER THERE LOOK OVER THERE LOOK OVER THERE" because they KNOW they cannot discuss the ISSUES.
All you trolls are as dumb as a box of freaking rocks- you "useful idiots" seize up whatever meme they give you, and off you go like good unthinking zealots. God FORBID you actually talk about the issues. No, you'd rather focus on some bs non-starter that a guy who's not running for anything made, because YOU GOT NOTHING ELSE.
WAKE UP.
When Bu$hCO apologizes to all of America and our soldiers for LYING US INTO WAR, you trolls can say something about "honor".
Until then, SHUT THE F*CK UP, you hypocrites.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:41 pmbs..............................ur name befits you, good choice!
yes, bush in all likelyhood used connections to get into school.
and, kerry & gore? hmm, brilliant scholars? both born to wealth and both used connections also.
I understanding bashing the other guy. I do. but i don't understand making your guys into 'saints' or some sort of brainiacs?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:42 pm#196, he might have a diploma from an ivy league school but seriously, if he took anything away from that school, shouldn't he be able to string a sentence together? The guy obviously has a very low IQ and surely got through school on his parents money.
And to your other question:
"why doesn’t he just apologise and get on with it"
Well, you're obviously not very bright either (but that's a given if you're OK with giving your hard earned money to liars and criminals), because he did apologize. One only needs to read the headline of this thread to see that.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:42 pmLook at the Democrats distancing themselves already but the lefty losers on this site can’t see that.
Comment by Happy+Guy — November 1, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
Ironic that Happy Guy would call anyone else a loser, after writing here yesterday that he thinks it is okay for three goons to tackle a guy just for saying something they didn't like.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:42 pmso, barfly...
you want to be considered serious?
but you insist on calling anyone that sees it differently than you stupid.
am i right about that?
or maybe you don't care about being considered serious.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:43 pmThis is great. I have never seen so many posts fly out into this site. You lefties are really scrambling this time. ROTFL. Trying to twist or justify this man just makes us laugh harder. I think I am going to laugh until Tuesday. ROTFL. I guess Kerry is going to make the Republicans winners again! ROTFL.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:44 pmdoug...
you sound worried. I would be if I were liberal.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:45 pmOK already. You all are so holier than thou... what about ALL of the GOPS mistakes.. Why are you not begging them for an apology????? This was just words.. oh it hurts the troops boo hoo.. It does not hurt the troops like DIRTY WATER, EXPIRED GOVT. FOOD, BAD ARMOR not to mention the illegal war..
November 1st, 2006 at 12:46 pmSo really now.. we can see right through your spins..
give it up
You should apologize for your shamelessness of acting as usual holier than thou double standard distractions.
go for it you stupid freaking repuklikans...
Al-Qaeda Wants Republicans to Win
November 1st, 2006 at 12:46 pmyea, Mikey.......
Kerry did make a lame apology. After he realized this wasn't going away, after his handlers told him he was handling it poorly.
and, I guess, you too call anyone not seeing your way 'not bright', stupid, and so-forth.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:47 pm2nd, the joke doesn’t make sense. If he was talking about Bush, he wasn’t talking about someone who’s uneducated.
Wrong again. The joke was about squandering opportnities. Bush has had every advantage in life and he's done nothing with them.
All clear now?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:47 pm.
I sit 10 miles from Camp Pendleton. I talk to a lot of men & women in the service. They took Kerry’s words for what they were - a slam on men & women now in the military. Calling them stupid too?
Comment by Jkelly
And I'm in El Cajon. Are you trying to one-up me? We also are a bedroom community for the military. Are you saying that the few you talked to (who probably share your political bent), are representative of all military personnel? If they share your opinion, then yes, those particular personnel are "with stupid." Being in the service doesn't excuse them from criticism for partisan leanings.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:48 pmLook at the Democrats distancing themselves already but the lefty losers on this site can’t see that.
Yes, because they're killing your phony story and we're here laughing at your dumb ass for falling for it in the first place.
You lose both ways. Get used to it.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:49 pm.
#160 - "Mighty, what’s a LCdr?" Comment by hellinabucket
November 1st, 2006 at 12:49 pm**********Lieutenant Commader.
truthdetector:
you left out one other thing: Sandy Berger stealing classified docs by stuffing them down his pants.
none of the libs have ever been able to rationalize that away!
November 1st, 2006 at 12:49 pmWow, look at that list. Truthdetector has bought the biggest pack of afactual bullshit I've ever seen infecting a single mind. Every single talking point and lie has stuck in there, like Elvis' bloated colon.
No wonder he's a Republican.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:50 pm.
Kerry makes a joke that riles the 101st Keyboarders and the White House, because it came out misconstrued, and he has to apologize? What the hell?! The White House needs to apologize for starting this war in the first place.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmHere is how moral the Republican Leaders and talker are:
VP Dick Cheney - several deferments, by marriage and timely fatherhood.
Karl Rove, occasional Deputy Chief of Staffand alleged full time smear artist, escaped the draft and did not serve
Secretary of State and former NSA Condaleeza Rice - did not serve
Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.
Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - did not serve.
Republican Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh - did not serve
Sean Hannity - did not serve
Ann Coulter - did not serve
Bill O'Reilly - did not serve
November 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmI sense a deep sense of unease and worry amoungst the liberals.... even here.
Much false bravado, but deep worry this will cost them.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmOnce again, Kerry played right into the hands of Karl Rove. For god's sake, Kerry, say, "Hell, no, I won't apologize. If you are too dense to know I was referring to Bush, then I don't need to explain the joke."
November 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmSheesh, why does this man keep letting them whip him bloody?
They took Kerry’s words for what they were - a slam on men & women now in the military. Calling them stupid too?
Someone clipped Kerry's quote, which means that THEY think that people in the military are stupid. Stupid enough to fall for a doctored quote.
Nice. No wonder Republicans are OK with throwing their lives away. They think they're all morons.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:52 pm.
doug…
you sound worried. I would be if I were liberal.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
You wish it.. something like this is nothing compared with all the horrendous atrocities your party continues to do..
You guys are just so desperate for any mistake..
November 1st, 2006 at 12:53 pmThis is so lame.
But I guess you guys think we walk on water.. hence your tsk tsk.. terrible thing we said..
FOCUS on your own broken govt. glass houses...
We have yet begun to have to take over and build something sturdier to get back to Democracy instead of Theocracy and staying the course.. ya the golf course..
Let er rest already and let's get back to playing ball!!!
The house is waiting for us!!!
Where was the calls for resignation over Harry Reid’s crooked land deal? Where is the call to investigate how these Foley E-mails were shopped around to journalists by a left wing group?
Comment by Truthdetector — November 1, 2006 @ 12:39 pm
Wow. Talk about desperately grabbing at straws. A land deal for which there is no evidence of impropriety? Trying to blame the Foley coverup on the Democrats? Trying to reprise the shameful lying of the Swift Boaters Who Will Tell Any Lie For Bush?
I am amazed at just what a sad sack of sh*t bunch of pathetic losers come to troll at this site.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:53 pmSandy Berger stealing classified docs by stuffing them down his pants.
none of the libs have ever been able to rationalize that away!
I don't have to rationalize anything. I'm not dumb enough to be a Republican.
Then again, he wsn't even accused of stuffing them down his pants, so you don't know what you're talking about.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:54 pm.
Wow.. I take back my previous posts. We're way past 200 comments on an issue that DOESN'T MATTER!!!!
Like the man said.. good distraction from the liars who are already IN POWER and the paedophiles and the criminals in congress.
To the Reps here: Idiots! Find something worthy of your name-calling
To the Dems here: For shame. You're not helping your side at all. This sucks brain power from things that are actually important. If this thread goes much longer, read my response to the Reps above.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:54 pmI sense a deep sense of unease and worry amoungst the liberals…. even here.
Much false bravado, but deep worry this will cost them.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
you wish
November 1st, 2006 at 12:54 pmhey instead of making decision based on what you all think. why not take it to the field and see what the soldiers think. ask them. common sense and base knowledge of what has been going i wouldn't think anyone would believe he was making fun of the troops. only those who are uninformed and bushies cult members
i know someone who is though. the admin. insulting everyone. bush is. he is playing 'god', since 'god' told lhim to go to war, with their lives. he insulted them/us by taking away our freedoms: you know that the constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper. really. the civilians are fighting for our freedoms. while lbush steps on the constitution, habeas corpus and geneva conventions.
the military. they are fighting for oil for bush. they are fighting for world domination for israel. they are fighting for nazi ideology. so stop the: i thank the troops for fighting for our freedom crap. this has nothing to do with freedom.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:55 pmGrand+Moff+Texan ----
I can never get an answer on this from any lib, so I'll ask you::::
What was it that Sander Berger stole?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:55 pmThis shows EXACTLY why the democrats are losers. Even when they have the facts on their side they back down and apologize...
What good is it to vote for someone that does not stand up for their position even when they are right??? You are EXPECTED to back down when you are wrong (even though the republicans dont) NOT when you are right... WTF?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:56 pmGrand+Moff+Texan
Kerry's quote is factual, even he said he said it.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:56 pmAlthough I was pleased to see Kerry fight back hard, I believe the circumstances are very, very different from 2004. Then he should have responded to attacks. Yesterday, he was responding to his own mistake.
Perception equals reality and clearly Kerry's statement can (and is) perceived by many people as derogatory and demeaning. You can hear it in the audience' initial reaction. The hard and tough fact is that Kerry put those Democrats in tight races in the one place they don't want to be; playing defense.
That being said I think the Democrats are still ok for next Tuesday as long as the MSM continues to play this as Kerry vs. Bush. In addition, it does bring Iraq back to the forefront which is a position Rove, et al have been working very hard to avoid.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:56 pmI sense a deep sense of unease and worry amoungst the liberals…. even here.
Much false bravado, but deep worry this will cost them.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
I am not a liberal.....rather just a human being standing up for what (in my experience) is wrong. To me this is patriotic....and it was for the founding fathers. If it serves your twisted needs to label all that disagree with you with a negative stereotype....well, then what does it say about your fears?????
November 1st, 2006 at 12:57 pmyou sound worried. I would be if I were liberal.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
Oh, and now we get some more false bravado from one of the Bush chickenhawk supporters, as he quakes in his mini-jackboots. We've seen plenty of that here before, jkelly. It usually signals a descent into inane, babbling, incoherence.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:57 pmI can never get an answer on this from any lib, so I’ll ask you::::
What was it that Sander Berger stole?
Comment by Jkelly
According to Fox News...
WASHINGTON — Former President Clinton's national security adviser is under criminal investigation for taking highly classified terrorism documents that should have been turned over to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, FOX News has confirmed.
Sandy Berger (search) is under scrutiny by the Justice Department (search) following the disappearance of documents he was reviewing at the National Archives.
Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (search) agents armed with warrants after the former Clinton adviser voluntarily returned some sensitive documents to the National Archives (search) and admitted he also removed handwritten notes he had made while reviewing the sensitive documents.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:58 pm#152 Ben
“And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs.â€
I support the troops….ROTFL
If you want, Ben, I can put you in touch with a marine officer who described to me how his unit, which was one of the first in Iraq, made it a point to treat the Iraqi people with respect and to be careful not to humiliate them or be abusive when doing house searches or questioning them. He said that the 83rd Airborne came in after his unit and just started kicking ass right and left on innocent people. For example, standing on a man's neck and kicking him in front of his family because he wasn't giving them the answers they wanted. He saw them undo all the goodwill that his people had fostered and the insurgency started to gain steam from there.
So, maybe "terrorize" wasn't the most accurate word to describe what too many of our troops were doing there. "Brutalize" would be much better. Is that 'not supporting the troops'? No, but it would be supporting the troops to make sure they aren't creating more enemies by stomping the crap out of innocent people.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:58 pmWhat was it that Sander Berger stole?
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:55 pm
Your ability to remain on topic?
November 1st, 2006 at 12:59 pmWhat was it that Sander Berger stole?
Comment by Jkelly —
Copies of documents.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:59 pmGGibbon:
According to Fox News…
WASHINGTON — Former President Clinton’s national security adviser is under criminal investigation for taking highly classified terrorism documents that should have been turned over to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, FOX News has confirmed.
And they were copies, monkeyboy.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:02 pmWell, maybe he was thinking of his boss, who has yet to apologize for his pitiful response to Katrina, for getting America into a stupid war, for wrecking the budget, etc. etc. etc.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:03 pmAll you have to say, Bushie is: "I apologize... and I resign."
highly classified terrorism documents that should have been turned over to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, FOX News has confirmed.
Which, as the 9/11 Commission confirmed, were actually copies of documents that were turned over. The documents in question were copies of Berger's own handwritten notes from the time, which were mixed with his new handwritten notes from his archive visit.
At no time was Berger accused of stuffing the documents into his socks or down his pants. Those allegations only arose when the case was reported to the Justice Department, which means they were cooked up by the White House. Of course, leaking the story was illegal at the time, but no one's going to hold the filth in the White House to the law.
Another Republican urban myth goes into the museum.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:03 pm.
Sandy Berger, are you serious? You have 6 + years of stupid shit from this administration and you want to stick you head in the sand.
What an ass.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:03 pmI sure don't want to get involved in this tar baby of an issue
November 1st, 2006 at 1:03 pmjkelly, so even when he does apologize it's not good enough for you? What, do you want him to hand out lollipops too?
You're just here to inflate the issue in an attempt to keep it going to your advantage. It's over dude, let it go. Besides, do you really think you're going to sway anyone's vote here on this board? This site is an archive of the lies, crimes, and unethical behavior of politicians in this country. We need change now.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:04 pm#186 - "First, his remarks weren’t about the education level of those serving. It was clearly about the education level of those leading."
******Dear Mikey - And you KNOW this how? I listened to the tape on different newsoutlets and I didn't hear Senator Heinz comment on the leadership's lack of educational prowess......Was he speaking in dog frequency? THAT explains why the majority of us did not hear what was not said.....
Later....
November 1st, 2006 at 1:04 pmYea this is SO much more important than the soldiers that are dying RIGHT NOW.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:05 pmGood for Kerry! Call them on their BS!
The Republicans are so weak. Like Kerry would diss the troops. As mentioned by Peejay, Kerry served and saw combat. Who in the white house did the same??
These Republicans that didn't serve our country try to hide the fact by preaching violence on people both here and abroad.
That's the biggest sign of cowardice I can think of.
Absolutely - As Senator Kerry will tell you, a good joke requires, timing…. and actually SAYING the punchline…..
Oh, that's what you were doing - cause from here it looked like a meltdown!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:06 pmKerry’s quote is factual, even he said he said it.
Yes, and the thing he said before it that made it clear he was talking about Bush was 'factual,' too. In fact, it's been part of his stump speech for over a week now. But your rightwing sources aren't telling you what that is, are they?
Funny. Kerry's being more honest with you than the people who are just using your dumb ass...
...again.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:07 pm.
you left out one other thing: Sandy Berger stealing classified docs by stuffing them down his pants.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
This story about stuffing documents down his pants is false, as are many other unsubstantiated rumors and outright lies peddled by right wingers (like you, jkelly). Media Matters has a good write up about the story:
mediamatters.org/items/200407230001
Wikipedia also has good information, and points in particular to two WSJ editorials, both of which pooh pooh the wild charges made against Berger. So even the right wing pro-Bush WSJ editorial board accepts Berger's story that he was merely trying to prepare for his testimony without having to spend hours in the archive, and the judge concluded that no original documents were destroyed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Berger
Berger eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and was fined $50K and lost his security clearance for three years.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:07 pm#221
i'm not a fan of kerry. kerry supported the war. and he is a skull and bone alumni. and we all know what that is about. gore, better than bush and thanks to corruption by the bushes he was appointed by the courts. elected by majority was gore.
i was just adding to your point basically saying don't give this uneducated guy a benefit of being educated because he went to an ivy league. we all know he is dumber than a box of rocks.
so what was bs in what i was saying? or was that just a personal attack because i was right.
personally i don't give a crap what side you are on. what is going on in this admin shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, period.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:08 pmAnd you KNOW this how? I listened to the tape on different newsoutlets and I didn’t hear Senator Heinz comment on the leadership’s lack of educational prowess
Wow, so they cut out the "state of denial" part of the tape, too?
Funny, it's in the original press accounts.
Like I keep saying: someone's just using your dumb ass. Kerry's been giving much the same speech for over a week.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:09 pm.
Oh heck! I will apologize for all Democrats about Kerry... head down.. I am so so so sorry for making that bad bad horrible horrendous outrageous incredible bad joke in front of college kids about those poor troops.. I bet they are just so sad and upset about this right now as they drink the bad water and eat the old food they give them, as they try to defend themselves with armor that is useless and as they come home with no benefits from this current administration. I am sure this will be the first thing they think of when they get home is Kerry's bad bad joke..
November 1st, 2006 at 1:09 pmWhat happens to "Freedom of Speech" when every sentence anyone utters can be twisted all out of proportion? Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:10 pm1.) this site is manned & visited by mostly very liberal people - 95% or more
2.) this one subject -- out of Kerry's mouth -- is hughly commented on here
3.) liberal are deeply worried this lose them the comming election
think?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:10 pmWhat happens to "Freedom of Speech" when every sentence anyone utters can be twisted all out of proportion? Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:10 pmI can never get an answer on this from any lib, so I’ll ask you::::
What was it that Sander Berger stole?
Comment by Jkelly
Well, cretin? Satisfied now? Looks like you got quite a few answers right here in this thread, and darn quick, I might add.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:11 pmSo Distraction from the current issues are the republican's platform. Sure makes me want to go out and vote for them. What's their slogan?
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"
November 1st, 2006 at 1:11 pmOh but wait.. regarding the apology and the troops coming home..
November 1st, 2006 at 1:12 pmI forgot..
They are not coming home.
And who will apologize to them for ruining their lives and killing their buddies and having horrible memories of killing innocent people, and getting diseases for not being given the proper food and clothing and equipment...... and for what?
Who will apologize for all that?
John Kerry Goes Nucular...
Can you imagine having a President who mangles the English language the way Kerry does?...
November 1st, 2006 at 1:12 pmhuh? (not so real) RealScientist ---
in your comment, at the end:
Berger eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and was fined $50K and lost his security clearance for three years.
yea, right... he plead because they didn't have anything on him.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:13 pmMA, try this...listen to it in context. Hear the lead-up. For once, don't parse out every word. I know that's difficult for you. Yes, he screwed up the line and made it so that it could be easily misinterpreted. But in the context of what he was saying, he was obviously slamming your precious president. Why would he have meant it any other way? Does it make sense to you that he would intentionally slam our troops? He was a soldier himself for crissakes!, so why would he do that?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:13 pm1.) this site is manned & visited by mostly very liberal people - 95% or more
2.) this one subject — out of Kerry’s mouth — is hughly commented on here
3.) liberal are deeply worried this lose them the comming election
think?
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
Try some other stats on that one... There are a ton previously for all the mistakes your GOP make by mostly trolls like you
November 1st, 2006 at 1:14 pm#238 jkelly
I sense a deep sense of unease and worry amoungst the liberals…. even here.
Much false bravado, but deep worry this will cost them.
I think you're projecting, but lets just watch for that big bump in the polls that you must be expecting from all your intentional misunderstanding of Kerry's words. You're milking it for all its worth. I'd sure be disappointed if I were you and didn't see some poll numbers flip for your guys in the next couple of days. Or maybe Bush's numbers will finally start rising up out of the 30s. Think so?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:14 pmMighty Afraidwhitey,
#266
Dear Mikey - And you KNOW this how?
Because Kerry said so. If you are going to call him a liar for saying that it was a botched joke that's your choice.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:14 pmWrong again.
Did you come back to spew more lies today?
So, if you have the right to label us incorrectly, then the same goes for us regarding you.
So then, you are a goose stepping facist pig.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:15 pmThe Repubs are using a trick dishonest lawyers use in litigation. Take a statement made, isolate it, and otherwise present it out of context. It's dishonest in litigation and disingenuous in politics.
Even if Kerry meant what the Repubs say he meant, the statement would have been true. The military is mostly comprised of enlisted personnel who joined out of having no other economic choice. They are not college educated and most come from poor backgrounds.
As to those who are in enlisted ranks, but have college degrees, most of those members are in the military NOT out of choice, but because of their being ordered to Iraq as part of their National Guard reserve obligations. So it is laughable for Bush to say that today's military is full of educated personnel. Officers don't count in the tally because they have to have college degrees in the first place.
One other thing, can everyone quit calling those serving in Iraq heroes. I think Americans toss that label around too much. Fact is, there are few heroes in Iraq. Involuntarily serving in Iraq does not make military members heroes. They are simply doing their time.
They are not heroes because they bitch everyday about being in Iraq and given the option, they would not hesitate to transfer out of that hell hole. These realities do not make these people heroes. So I wish people would stop labeling those serving in Iraq as such.
It's interesting that for purposes of attacking Kerry, the Administration says how dare Kerry attack the 140,000 members of the armed forces who are serving in Iraq honorably and with distinction. In contrast, over the past years, the Administration has had to force members to serve and otherwise criticized the military when members have complained about strategy, equipment, or the war in general.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:16 pmDoes it make sense to you that he would intentionally slam our troops? He was a soldier himself for crissakes!, so why would he do that?
*Blink*Blink*
Yeah I've never heard him utter a bad word about an American Soldier, nope not a one.
Seriously though, this issue is a moot point. He screwed up a joke and is paying for it, because in politics that's what happens.
The soldiers know how he really feels about them.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:18 pmRealScientist....
you ought to do a study.....
study what libs do when they get upset, when they get so emotional. When they feel cornered.
what they do, of course, is call everyone else 'stupid, dumb, cretin' (as you did).
it's actually laughable, very funny --- do read up there ^
I guess because I don't agree with you, I'm all those plus more. haha!
How do you get a liberal to sputter, sweat & spout obscenities?
Disagree with him/her!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:20 pm[...] Note to Boehner: Kerry apologized this morning on MSNBC. 1:20 pm | Comment (0) [...]
November 1st, 2006 at 1:20 pm#276
Well we may appear like we're "very liberal" but that's because You? and those Bush followers have moved a mile to the right in the past six years.
We haven't moved buddy! It's all you!
I believe most of us absolutely know that Kerry's words were twisted.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:21 pmWe're not worried. We're sick of the FKN propaganda.
Here on the Internet, Mighty Aphrodite is held up as the skank at most “blogsâ€â€¦.if she’d only SHUT UP….On second thought….
Poodles - - -
November 1st, 2006 at 1:21 pmKerry has apologized. When will the GOP apologize for their utter misgovernment and blind enabling of the deaths of nearly 3000 of America's finest for no good reason at all?
Where's the apology for Katrina? For running up the deficit through out of control spending? For the Schiavo fiasco? For gutting habeus corpus? For allowing the rate of abortions to increase for the first time in a decade? For trying to gut Social Security?
The list goes on and on. America's still waiting for an apology.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:22 pmstupid joke
stupid president
which is worse?
stupid joke
incompetent and evil vice president
which is worse
stupid joke
lies about starting a war
which is worse?
stupid joke
the facts about the disgusting state of this country
which is worse?
support reality - dump the republican agenda now!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:23 pm3.) liberal are deeply worried this lose them the comming election
think?
Comment by Jkelly
Having just checked "Headline News," I find it isn't in the headlines anymore. Keep praying for that Karl Rove hail-Mary pass JK, it ain't coming.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:23 pmthe only ones making any kind of a kink over this are the neocons who are so desperate to change the topic from their utter and complete policy failures to ANYTHING ELSE!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:23 pmAphrodite,
November 1st, 2006 at 1:24 pmUm...Kerry actually served. Did you?
Kerry should just go home - one of his palaces - and go to sleep (in a dead man's bed).
November 1st, 2006 at 1:24 pmyea, right… he plead because they didn’t have anything on him.
Comment by Jkelly
Still debunked your lazy ass . . .
November 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmKerry is not running for office. And that's the rest of the story.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmNo, the reason you are a idiotic, stupid cretin has nothing to do with your opinion. And yes, you are more than just a stupid idiotic cretin.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmRealScientist….
you ought to do a study…..
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
You ought to address the points I make. But you can't. So answer my question: are you now satisfied with liberals' answer about Sandy Berger? Or do you want to ignore the truth, and keep shoveling manure?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmMighty Afraidwhitey,
November 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmHahaha.....you really think this will "save" the Repubs come election day.....hahahah. Making war an issue just before elections.....yeah good luck with that.
NeilThe+Real....
oh, get real. I'm no fan of Bush - hardly- but you would have known that if you read more of my comments. I'm not a rightwinger either. But most who post here make the false deduction when someone disagrees with them that they must be both a bush lover & a right wing nut job.
I'm just commenting here on Kerry because he turns my stomach. He rings so false that if he were a bell, he would've been melted down for something more useful long ago. But the dems won't stop ringing that off-kilter bell!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:28 pm131, ok not a grammatical, point is, kerry, a decorated veteran, made a slip up. bush, has made a career out of putting his foot in his mouth. the man can't string 2 sentances together without f'n it up.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:29 pmkerry or bush, a decorated war vet or an awol coward, i choose kerry, he is entitled to comment on the armed forces in combat. bush on the other hand, with no combat experience, unless you call sending troops to die as experience, is not qualified to tie kerry's shoes.
#296
spudgeboy,
'poodles'-------lololololololol
niiiiiiiice
November 1st, 2006 at 1:29 pm#276 jkelly
#
1.) this site is manned & visited by mostly very liberal people - 95% or more
2.) this one subject — out of Kerry’s mouth — is hughly commented on here
3.) liberal are deeply worried this lose them the comming election
think?
1) Republicans are talking about Iraq, which is something their candidates' advisers have told them to stay away from. It's losing them votes.
2) This subject is hugely commented on by righties because they're under the impression that they finally, at long last, have something that they can peddle, even though it's not a campaign issue, that doesn't make them look bad (dream on).
3) The comments here in response to the righties make much better sense than the persistent lies and distortions of the right. And that helps readers understand the profound differences between mindless Bush supporters and the people who are supporting a Democratic takeover of Congress to pull the reins in on that lying dumbass in the White House.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:30 pmnah, still don't quite get a good rationalization on Berger from libs.
but, didn't expect one
and, barfly ... take a break from your cocktail and answer the following -
why did Berger do the following then if innocent he was?
Berger eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and was fined $50K and lost his security clearance for three years.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:31 pm"Kerry has been dissing the troops since his appearance before Congress as a young, politically motivated man"
So, when he was criticizing the war he was criticizing the troops? Are we back to that lame-ass rhetoric? How could any reasonable persob think that? The last time I checked, it wasn't the troops' idea to invade Iraq (or Vietnam). It was the leadership's idea. Do you think the enlisted guys sit around and think up places to invade, vote on it, then attack? What are you on?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:32 pmIf I could see just one person vanish from TP, it would be MA. It's not that her posts are the most offensive, most reprehensible, most ignorant, or most dishonest to be found here. It is the incoherent, excrement-like quality of her posts that kills me, as though the sheer destruction of the English language were her true goal.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:32 pmrealscientist ---
read what i wrote to barfly, and you can answer the ? as well.
really, there's no real rationalization you can come up with for what he did.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:33 pmbarfly....
u believe in Headline news????? CNN is giving Kerry 2 hours tonight. Real good of them and so unbias!
ha
November 1st, 2006 at 1:34 pmnah, still don’t quite get a good rationalization on Berger from libs.
but, didn’t expect one
and, barfly … take a break from your cocktail and answer the following -
why did Berger do the following then if innocent he was?
Berger eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and was fined $50K and lost his security clearance for three years.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Uh, dumbass, nobody here is saying that Berger is innocent, and nobody is trying to "rationalize" what Berger did. But once again, you just can't stay on track, so you desperately try to put words in our mouths, and build teeny weeny little straw men to knock down.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:36 pmchimpeach!
ha!
your words ------------ between mindless Bush supporters and the people who are supporting a Democratic takeover of Congress
ah, so typical. your side is thoughtful the other side is mindless.
how come the mindless side always beats your side
ah,
November 1st, 2006 at 1:37 pmreally, there’s no real rationalization you can come up with for what he did.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 1:33 pm
Okay. I...will...write...slowly...and...use....small....words....Nobody....is.....trying.....to....rationalize....what.....Berger.....did.....We.....are......only....trying.....to.....set....the.....record.....straight....and.....put......to......rest......your......lies.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:38 pmwhy did Berger do the following then if innocent he was?
Berger eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and was fined $50K and lost his security clearance for three years.
Comment by Jkelly
Which he now has again, correct? He acknowledged taking copies of notes - not the notes themselves.
Your assertion: "Sandy Berger stealing classified docs by stuffing them down his pants" was bullshit, and you knew it when you spread it. But since it wasn't "classified documents" but copies, you're left standing there with your pants around your ankles and a big bootprint on your urine-stained shorts.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:41 pmI’ve learned to skim right by her posts, as well as some of the other trolls, and it’s made my outlook much brighter.
Comment by tom+baker — November 1, 2006 @ 1:38 pm
My problem is that even skimming past them is painful. I can't get past them fast enough, the way they lay on the page like a big splat of diarrhea or vomit.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:43 pmu believe in Headline news????? CNN is giving Kerry 2 hours tonight. Real good of them and so unbias!
ha
Comment by Jkelly
And last night, I saw republican pollsters on Fox saying the same thing.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:47 pm"your side is thoughtful the other side is mindless"
Jkelly, how, in your words, would you describe a typical Bush supporter?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:47 pmI just want to say thanks to Sen. Kerry. Me and Bill couldnt ask for a better line.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:47 pmGetting rid of the parasite takes care of the vomit and diarrhea.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:48 pm#324, good description. It is bad enough just to see them, but at least you can't smell them.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:49 pmYoda wonders why Berger was busted, if innocent he was.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:49 pmShouldn't BUSH be apologizing to the troops? Who sent to the troops to fight a fictional war on terror? Was it Kerry who sent the troops to Iraq, or was it BUSH. Let's be clear here: Kerry made a comment, stupid or otherwise, but no one died or had their lives and the lives of their families ruined because of it. BUSH, on the other hand, lied to the citizens of the United States and the world about WMDs in Iraq, and since that calculated lie, the world has been in turmoil, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered, and thousands of U.S. troops have been slaughtered or maimed. So who exactly should be apologizing to the troops? I SAY BUSH AND EVERY SINGLE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN AND REPUBLICAN SHOULD BE APOLOGIZING FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. I will give the Republicans one thing, they are great finger pointers, when they ought to instead be looking in the mirror. VOTE THEM OUT NOW.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:50 pm#308 Jkelly
Gotcha
But I really get tired of people throwing around the very liberal, extreme liberal, far left liberal names.
I don't think that most Liberals are off-balance.
I think of an extreme liberal as the folks that burned the Vail ski lodge
down.
We don't have the extreme tendencies, the right has that market cornered.
And Kerry bugs me too. I sent him money in the final hours of 2004 so he could fight any election fraud. He did not.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:50 pmBut I do think he is right on this one. Dems need to smash the Repub lie machine.
stick to your guns on this John. can we make it last until the 08 primaries. "HILLARY & BARAK 08"
November 1st, 2006 at 1:52 pmNo sale, Senator.
You said: “If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.â€
Now you say you meant: “If you don’t, you get US stuck in Iraq.â€
Who is "you"? The students you were addressing? Did you mean if they study and work hard, they will be successful. On the other hand, if they are lazy, shiftless and stupid, they will get elected president and get the country bogged down in a brutal, bloody war?
What I think, Senator, is that "you" means me, a USMC veteran, and my brothers and sisters in arms. In 1971, you accused us of war crimes. Last year, you accused of terrorizing Iraqi women and kids. The other day, you accused us of being lazy, stupid, and shiftless.
Your record is clear, Senator Kerry, and all the spinning in the world cannot undo it.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:53 pmOK everyone leave Sandy Burgler, err Berger, alone.
ROTF!!!!!!!!!!
ROTF!!!!!!!!!!
ROTF!!!!!!!!!!
ROTF!!!!!!!!!!
ROTF!!!!!!!!!!
November 1st, 2006 at 1:56 pm#318 jkelly
ah, so typical. your side is thoughtful the other side is mindless.
If you can look at that disgustingly stupid and corrupt thing we're stuck with for a president, and not be angered by it, I'd say you have to be either mindless or clueless. Take your pick.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:57 pmKerry Apologizes on MSNBC (kinda)...
From Thinkprogress, we hear Kerry talking about this this morning on Imus.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:57 pmHe says he apologized for the botched joke, but I really don’t hear an apology for the people offended.
It is a start, but in my opinion, not enough.
http://thinkprog...
so Mr. Robert Engler,
November 1st, 2006 at 1:59 pmthan I can safely assume that you were equally outraged when "your" president was chimpishly searching for WMD at a fund raiser, while thousands of our brave men and women were dying, and thousands more were injured and maimed. I hope you expressed your outrage to the GOP about that one.
You, of all people, should know there is nothing funny about sending young ones in to war.
am I right?
Yoda wonders why Berger was busted, if innocent he was.
Comment by ForTruth — November 1, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
Have you missed this entire thread? I suggest searching the thread for "Berger". Then tell me where anyone said he was innocent. What's that? No one said it here? Then WTF are you talking about?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:59 pmHe did vote yes for the war. He said they had WMDs back in 01.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:59 pm#318 jkelly
how come the mindless side always beats your side
Define "always". Can we go back to '92 or '96? Or does that fall outside of your "always" range?
November 1st, 2006 at 1:59 pmRobert Engler: Direct your ire at BUSH where it belongs. All the spinning you and your ilk do will not deflect our attention away from the true issue which is BUSH is the one who sent the soldiers we all care so much about on a suicide mission. AND BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TROOPS. Don't even try to convince otherwise. We all know the truth now. There were no WMDs. There was just oil, and BUSH AND THE OIL COMPANIES WANTED IT. So cut the crap. I for one am sick to death of it, and there are tens of millions more who feel the same.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:01 pm"In 1971, you accused us of war crimes. Last year, you accused of terrorizing Iraqi women and kids"
With all due respect mr. engler, do you really believe he was accusing every single soldier of these atrocities? Or could it be that he was generalizing that there are some that do commit war crimes and terrorize women and kids? Or are you saying these things don't happen?
November 1st, 2006 at 2:02 pmYou can call it a technicality, but right wing spin is conveniently leaving out the word "us" from the quote. Is Kerry a dipshit who did not choose his words carefully? Yes. Was his intent to smear the troops? I don't think so. It's a sideways swipe at the idiot C student that lied us into the mess in the first place. If you don't see that you're as big a knee jerk as Fox News. I'm not defending Kerry, the guy has zero credibility with me, based on the way he ran in 04'.
A change of tactics in the middle east is coming anyway, irregardless of who comes out ahead in the mid terms. If the Republicans retain control of both houses (thank you Diebold), don't be surprised if Bush will figure he has fresh political capital to bomb the Iranians, and up troop levels in Iraq via a reinstitution of the draft. Then Kerry's comments, however ham fisted, will prove merely prophetic, irregardless of how you feel about the ommission of
November 1st, 2006 at 2:09 pm"us" from his comments. Then young males better pray they don't abolish the II-S deferrment. You know, the one Cheney used FIVE TIMES to avoid Vietnam service.
It is not John Kerry's fault that the troops are too stupid to understand that he was simply mocking their commander in chief during a time of war.
John Kerry has always fully supported our genital torturing, village burning Jingis Khan troops.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:12 pmHe has since said his vote was wrong and the reason he voted that way is because he was lied to about the intelligence.
You shouldn't bring this up, because it point to bad intelligence everytime.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:12 pmThe elections are rigged by Diebold and their electronic voting devices. The Democrats will lose – the results have been preordained by the Cheney/Rove electioneering machine. Tell all your Democrat friends to not bother to vote because it won't matter anyway.
John Kerry knows this too because he is a CIA operative planted by Bush to botch his own election, and now he's continuing his service by dropping the bomb that will galvanize the swing-voters against the Democrats the week before the election. The Wizards behind the curtain of the Republican political machine are in control of everything, and their nefariousness is exceeded only by their brilliance.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pmI love how all the repug trolls are all over this story. They will lie and act like Kerry wasn't talking about Bush. Then Bush will stick it up the asses of all these little troll Republicans along with everyone else not in the top 1%.
Not only have they made liars out of themselves but they get screwed to boot!
Foolish little Republiscum trolls, please enjoy the investigations in january of your moron leader..................LOL
November 1st, 2006 at 2:16 pmYeah, it just makes sense that John Kerry would cast aspersions on himself by maligning the troops serving in Iraq instead of continuing an assault on the stupidity of George W. Bush. I know it is easy to forget but John Kerry joined the military and served two tours in VietNam so he is decidedly not saying that the troops are stupid because then he would be saying he is stupid. What it boils down to is that Bush is too stupid to realize that Kerry was saying that Bush is too stupid and that is why we are stuck in Iraq.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:17 pmokay....I've asked this time and time again, and have not got a reasonable response from the right. I'll try again:
November 1st, 2006 at 2:22 pmIf Mr.Kerry was being critical of the education level of our soldiers, why did he just label the one's "stuck" in Iraq? Why wouldn't he have labeled "all soldiers serving"?
Why? Because he wasn't talking about our soldiers, he was talking about Bush's failed policies!
NEXT
Look In The Mirror For Apologies Mr. Bush
by Steve Soto
Several comments on the GOP's manufactured outrage over Kerry's remarks.
First, if you can't talk about Iraq and your candidates don't want you to appear in competitive districts because you are a liability to them, then Bush and his Mini-Me John McCain obviously needed something to change the narrative for several news cycles. And if there is one thing this White House is better at than anything else, it is avoiding responsibility for its negligence and attacking others even at the expense of talking up the positive. But if the White House and the GOP agree to nationalize the final week of the campaign onto Democratic turf on Iraq, they are playing into the Democrats' hands at a time when GOP candidates were trying to walk away from both Iraq and Bush's record.
Second, there is a lot on teeth-gnashing in the center-left blogosphere today about the distancing that several Democrats and Democratic candidates have done from Kerry over the last 24 hours, with several of these candidates like Harold Ford, Jr. and Jon Tester calling for Kerry to apologize. Stop the disappointment. These candidates are trying to win races against a GOP media and attack machine a week before the election. Let them decide what is necessary and appropriate in their own races without anyone on the outside demanding that these candidates fumble the ball this close to the goal line through adherence to ideological litmus tests. The immediate goal is to elect more Democrats to establish a check and balance on this administration, not to let the other side and the media encourage the Democrats into a party-purity circular firing squad a week before the election.
As long as the White House is demanding apologies, let's all get in the spirit. Mr. Bush, you should apologize for making a joke about not finding WMDs, as thousands die in Iraq for your lies. But why stop there?
Mr. Bush, apologize to the families of those lost on September 11th for your abdication of responsibility in the summer of 2001, and specifically for your "you've covered your ass now" response in ignoring the August 6th, 2001 PDB.
Mr. Bush, apologize for letting Osama Bin Laden escape at Tora Bora in December 2001, and for encouraging the Pakistanis to back away from Al Qaeda and the Taliban in September in Waziristan.
Mr. Bush, apologize to our troops in Afghanistan for abandoning the mission in that country to divert resources to Iraq, and for Donald Rumsfeld specifically refusing to provide resources for a heroin eradication program in that country that has led to a flourishing of financing for the Taliban.
Mr. Bush, apologize to our troops for sending them into harm's way through a campaign of lies and public disinformation, and then joking about it as the soldiers died for your mendacity.
Mr. Bush, apologize to our troops for using them in a war that had nothing to do with those who attacked us on 9/11, and for knowing you were lying about this at the time.
Mr. Bush, apologize to the troops for not sending enough of them to secure the country, for providing them with inadequate and substandard equipment, food, and logistical support that has endangered them every day they are there. You should apologize to the troops for not having a Plan B to deal with occupying the country after Donald Rumsfeld didn't get his way by installing Ahmad Chalabi as our toady. While you are at it, apologize to the troops for not securing the weapons caches inside Iraq and for letting thousands of weapons fall into the hands of those who are killing our troops now.
Mr. Bush, apologize to the troops for not changing strategy from "stay the course" when it could have mattered years ago, thereby ensuring that our troops are fighting and dying needlessly for your pigheadedness.
Mr. Bush, apologize to the troops for their inadequate veterans' benefits, why their families have to go on food stamps, why their families have to send them flak jackets, and why you don't attend the funerals of those killed in action.
And while you are at it, you should apologize to the troops for being so cavalier with their lives with the "bring them on", "Mission Accomplished", and other rhetorical nonsense. It sure seems easy for you to question the commitment and patriotism of others when neither you, your five-deferments vice president, your peacetime flight instructor Defense Secretary, and your combat-avoiding press spokesman have ever served their country in combat.
Mr. Bush, someone like you, who DQ'd from being a stateside pilot after running to Alabama to avoid Vietnam is in no position to ask anyone else to apologize to our troops for anything.
Any apologies begin and end with you.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:24 pmThe problem for Democrats: although much of the criticism about Republicans and the Bush Administrations have some merit, when you look at the Democratic alternative, it is much less attractive. Progressives will do much better next week, if they can get Murtha, Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, and most of the other Democrat leadership to just hide until then.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:24 pmTony Snow is a compete idiot and a bush mouthpiece [liar].
The major problem with Kerry is he cannot think on his feet. All he had to say was, it was a joke and if I offended anyone then I apologize....finito. No harm done. It should not have ever gotten so far.
The neocons can screech and lie about this all they want, thinking this is somehow comparable to the foley scandal and the quagmire that is Iraq. However, this will not stop the slippery slope the neocons now find themselves on. They've had every opportunity to do right by the American public but they've failed miserably and have no one to blame but themselves.
I always said give the neocons enough rope and they'll hang themselves and by golly, they have.
Bravo
November 1st, 2006 at 2:25 pmFor all the Kerry-hating trolls on here, I want you to point out the section of Kerry's speech in which he specifically used the words "troops" or "miltary personnel" or "service members" or "members of the armed forces" or any other specific reference to members of the military fighting in Iraq.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:25 pm#334 Robert Engler
What I think, Senator, is that “you†means me, a USMC veteran, and my brothers and sisters in arms. In 1971, you accused us of war crimes. Last year, you accused of terrorizing Iraqi women and kids. The other day, you accused us of being lazy, stupid, and shiftless.
Get the chip off your shoulder. He didn't mean you. You'd only think that if you wanted desperately to believe it. And he damn sure didn't accuse you or soldiers in general of war crimes. If you can't understand what the Winter Soldier hearings were about, you shouldn't be commenting on what Kerry said. But, it's really simple. One of the tragedies of the Vietnam War was what a lot of soldiers came back home with. They carried the guilt of having been in a situation where they were either following direct orders or just going along with what everyone else seemed to be doing and took part in what could fairly be called atrocities. These soldiers wanted to let people know what had happened over there and they didn't want to have to keep it inside forever. Kerry knew firsthand from having been in a free fire zone and was as qualified as anyone to talk about it.
If trying to keep our own troops out of situations that make them a party to a war crime is your idea of being against the troops, you need to examine your conscience. Kerry did not accuse "us" of war crimes. To say he did is a flat out lie.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:26 pmComment by DRxJ — November 1, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
You won't get a reasonable response because that would require the rightwingers to admit they were wrong.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:27 pmBy the way, Bush defenders, please explain how it was supporting the troops when all those Republicans at the 2004 convention were walking around with purple heart bandaids on their faces, mocking the decoration that soldiers receive for having been wounded while defending their country.
I think I should put on my cloak of phoney righteous indignation and proclaim that all Republicans hate the troops. They mock them for being wounded while defending our country. It's just a great big joke to you Republican cowards, isn't it.
Why should righties have all the fun pretending to be offended.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:34 pmThe problem for Democrats: although much of the criticism about Republicans and the Bush Administrations have some merit, when you look at the Democratic alternative, it is much less attractive.
Comment by paul — November 1, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
Yeah, right, paul. Sure. Whatever you want to believe. Whatever you need to believe to rationalize supporting Bush, the worst president ever.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:37 pmBush, the worst president ever.
Comment by RealScientist — November 1, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
and almost 70% agree!
November 1st, 2006 at 2:40 pmChimpeach: good point! Those purple heart bandages really showed in a graphic way how republicans view soldiers wounded in battle. Let's hear the trolls defend that.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:42 pmFlipper can't have it both ways. So, which is it, a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or he botched a joke? And, I wouldn't exactly call apologizing for a botched joke the same thing as an apology for his typically anti-military remarks.
Kerry can't seriously blame the Republicans if he screwed up! Either way, he should shut up and go away...forever!
November 1st, 2006 at 2:45 pmI think W owes all OB-GYN Doctors an apology. He stated (Sept. 04) that fear of mal practice is the only thing keeping a lot of OB-GYN "Docs" from "practicing their love on their patients". It is outrageous for the President to deliver this kind of ghastly insult to our nations Physicians.
Or is it possible someone could just mis-speak?
November 1st, 2006 at 2:46 pmThe only regret Bush has after 2,800 US soldiers have been killed, 45,000 US soldiers have been wounded, 650,000 plus Iraqis have been killed, broken the military and US treasury, increased terrorism making everyone less safe, is that he might have acted too much like a cowboy.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:48 pmBarb Dwyer
November 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pmI direct you to post #350, and patiently await your well researched response.
thank you in advance
Only here.
Kerry screws up a speech and it's Bush's fault.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:50 pmKerry can’t seriously blame the Republicans if he screwed up! Either way, he should shut up and go away…forever!
Comment by Barb Dwyer — November 1, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Barb: Please take your own advice.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:51 pmWhat I think, Senator, is that “you†means me, a USMC veteran, and my brothers and sisters in arms. In 1971, you accused us of war crimes. Last year, you accused of terrorizing Iraqi women and kids. The other day, you accused us of being lazy, stupid, and shiftless.
Your record is clear, Senator Kerry, and all the spinning in the world cannot undo it.
Comment by Robert Engler — November 1, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
Are you suggesting that members of our military would never resort to terrorizing or harming innocent Iraqis, Mr. Engler?
Selections from various reports on CNN.com:
Oh no, Mr. Engler. Our troops would never do anything like that.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:52 pmOnly here.
Kerry screws up a speech and it’s Bush’s fault.
Comment by Tundra — November 1, 2006 @ 2:50
Only right wing drones would blame Clinton for the many failures of Prez Dubya
November 1st, 2006 at 2:53 pmHe has since said his vote was wrong and the reason he voted that way is because he was lied to about the intelligence.
You shouldn’t bring this up, because it point to bad intelligence everytime.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — November 1, 2006 @ 2:12 pm
Even Republican Senator Pat Roberts is on record as admitting that Bush didn't share all the intelligence with members of Congress.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:55 pm#363 - "Or is it possible someone could just mis-speak"
Don't get us started on "W" mis-speaking. There's a calendar in my office called "Bushisms" with 365 shining examples of Bush's Yale-educated public mis-speak.
My personal favorite is his explanation of tribal sovereignty (yesterday's Bushism). I have a video of that one. Too funny!
November 1st, 2006 at 2:56 pmI am definitely voting Republican forever.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:56 pmJohn Kerry is a poser. What an idiot and buffoon.
Just another rich white guy from the Demoncrats-moonbats-nutter camp.
Kerry screws up a speech and it’s Bush’s fault.
Comment by Tundra — November 1, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
Thanks for encapsulating the intellectual bankruptcy of the right in so few words.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:58 pmBush didn’t share all the intelligence with members of Congress.
Comment by WC — November 1, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
I'm remembering a certain document that Saddam gave to the Bushs detailing what weapons he possessed. The Bush admin. turned the originally fourteen thousand page document over to the UN, with ten thousand pages missing . . .
November 1st, 2006 at 3:01 pmThe elections are rigged by Diebold and their electronic voting devices. The Democrats will lose – the results have been preordained by the Cheney/Rove electioneering machine. Tell all your Democrat friends to not bother to vote because it won’t matter anyway.
Comment by Maltboy! — November 1, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
#347 -- Maltboy!: A more likely scenario is that YOU are the CIA operative, posting here to scare people into thinking their votes do not matter. It's really easy to get around those Diebold voting machines, everyone should just vote using an absentee ballott. I myself am a permanent absentee voter. I'll never trust a voting machine, no matter who makes it. Vote absentee people. It's the only way to get around this Diebold nonsense.
John Kerry knows this too because he is a CIA operative planted by Bush to botch his own election, and now he’s continuing his service by dropping the bomb that will galvanize the swing-voters against the Democrats the week before the election. The Wizards behind the curtain of the Republican political machine are in control of everything, and their nefariousness is exceeded only by their brilliance.
Comment by Maltboy! — November 1, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
As far as John Kerry's comment, if that's the best "bomb" the Republicans can come up with, then they are in fact completely bankrupt. It will take more than that to get swing-voters into the Republican camp. But then, according to your theory, that wouldn't be necessary anyway because Diebold and the "Wizards" have already got everything fixed.
So, you are just here to confuse and scare people. So, obviously you are Republican Trash, and the people of this country are sick to death of you. You don't care about this country. All you care about is winning. Shame on you.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:01 pmI think the joke is that Kerry took himself out of the '08 Presidential race, of course Kerry himself is a joke---he just doesn't get it.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:02 pmI am definitely voting Republican forever.
John Kerry is a poser. What an idiot and buffoon.
Just another rich white guy from the Demoncrats-moonbats-nutter camp.
Comment by I+have+BDS — November 1, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
Good for you. Then you need not be on the ThinkProgress website. No doubt there are several Nazi skinhead websites that will welcome you with open arms.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:03 pmThe joke is that Kerry took himself out of the '08 Presidential race. Of course, Kerry himself is a joke---he just doesn't get it (again).
November 1st, 2006 at 3:04 pmWhy don't you squat and trot on another site, BDS? You're only wasting keystrokes here.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:04 pm:-p
November 1st, 2006 at 3:07 pmThe joke is that Kerry took himself out of the ‘08 Presidential race. Of course, Kerry himself is a joke—he just doesn’t get it (again).
Comment by johng — November 1, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
Kerry, joke or not, is not the problem with this country. BUSH and the REPUBLICANS have made of mess of everything for everyone except for the top 1% income earners. So, johng, why don't you focus instead on how to make this country better rather than trotting out your Kerry-bashing talking points. We don't need those anymore. We need people who truly love this country to speak out. You obviously don't love this country. You love BUSH and the REPUBLICANS, and to love them is tantamount to treason.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:10 pmThis is ridiculous! He should have never apologized! Kerry is such a wimp!
November 1st, 2006 at 3:14 pmAs a service member I can say that I have read and re-read Kerry's words and feel that he said exactly what he meant. (If you drop out of college you will have no alternative but to join the military and end up in Iraq.) I don't think he saw it as an insult until the firestorm erupted over it. Everything after that was just damage control. This is a perfect example of why politicians have speech writers and spin doctors. It's also why the spin doctors cringe everytime a pol ad libs. In any case I feel that his words are that of just another Washington elitist. Which of course both parties have a number of in their ranks. I can't speak for every military member but I really don't care if he apologizes or not. I know the quality of people I serve with. I chose the military over Law School. 18 years and two wars later I still know that I made the right choice. I don't "serve" a political party, I serve the people of The United States of America.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:20 pmNoMoreRepublicanTrash
you don't get it.
you don't have to like GWB to think your guy, Kerry, is a buffoon
libs are seriously worried - otherwise this wouldn't get the emotional commentary its getting
November 1st, 2006 at 3:24 pmOnly right wing drones would blame Clinton for the many failures of Prez Dubya
Comment by DRxJ — November 1, 2006 @ 2:53 pm
I am going to guess that it wasn't directed at me, because I haven't blamed Clinton for anything.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:25 pmyou don’t have to like GWB to think your guy, Kerry, is a buffoon
libs are seriously worried - otherwise this wouldn’t get the emotional commentary its getting
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
Kerry is not "my guy." Kerry is not the president. BUSH is. Kerry is not the problem. BUSH is. The only "emotional commentary" Kerry's comment is generating is from Republicans who are desperately trying to make it into a cause celebre because they have nothing else to go on. I suggest it is you who does not "get it." Wake up.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:31 pmIt looks like the RNC has dispatched more trolls to this thread in the past hour, to reinforce the trolls already taking a severe beating here.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:41 pm#384 - "libs are seriously worried - otherwise this wouldn’t get the emotional commentary its getting "
And the regressives are running scared, trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Right-whiners are so desperate to spin ANY news story work to their advantage as their prospects sink further and further that they're hanging on any possible spin they can find.
Speaker Pelosi, save us from the right-whiners!
November 1st, 2006 at 3:42 pmAs a service member I can say that I have read and re-read Kerry’s words and feel that he said exactly what he meant.
Comment by Art — November 1, 2006 @ 3:20 pm
Yeah, except your interpretation doesn't actually make sense. What would possibly motivate Kerry to call the troops stupid? Even if he is an elitist who doesn't give a damn about the troops, even if he thinks the troops are imbeciles, there is no political gain in saying it. So what is his motive, Art?
That is, unless, it was all an elaborate setup to get the media focused on the utter disaster of a war needlessly started by our momma's boy president.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:45 pmAnd the regressives are running scared, trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Unlike TP who has 4 topics on page one about it.
Right-whiners are so desperate to spin ANY news story work to their advantage as their prospects sink further and further that they’re hanging on any possible spin they can find.
Unlike TP who has 4 topics on page one about it.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:47 pmHA! HA!
You libs really slay me! You are truely self-delusional. Even your patron saints are talking!
This just out:
Sen. Clinton visits Kingston, says Kerry should apologize
November 01, 2006
Kingston --
Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at a Kingston campaign stop this morning, joined the chorus of Democrats criticizing Sen. John Kerry for what the former presidential candidate has called a joke gone awry.
“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate,†she said.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:48 pmJKelly,
November 1st, 2006 at 3:55 pmI think it was you who linked a picture of troops with a sign protesting Kerry. It took me a while but I found some troops that are protesting against Bush. They don't like to release these photos but they are out there.
#391
JKelly,
In that same article she states that Kerry has apologized. And your point is?
November 1st, 2006 at 3:58 pmHA! HA!
You libs really slay me! You are truely self-delusional. Even your patron saints are talking!
This just out:
Sen. Clinton visits Kingston, says Kerry should apologize
November 01, 2006
Kingston —
Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at a Kingston campaign stop this morning, joined the chorus of Democrats criticizing Sen. John Kerry for what the former presidential candidate has called a joke gone awry.
“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate,†she said.
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
Like Hillary Clinton, that's old news. I wish I found your "HA HA" funny. I wish you "slayed me." Instead, I find your foolish rantings about how libs are "delusional" to be projection on your part. The delusions this country has suffered under since BUSH stole office are completely Republican generated. And the sad thing is that fools like you get on board for this nonsense. I'd rather hear you defend the actions of BUSH and his fictional war on terror, and how because of BUSH and his supporters like you thousands of our soldiers are dead and maimed, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead and maimed, and our country is going down the toilet because of BUSH and Republican policies. So why don't you quit boring us with your tired Kerry-bashing (so tired, it's comatose) and tell us why you support BUSH.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:59 pmYou libs really slay me! You are truely self-delusional. Even your patron saints are talking!
Comment by Jkelly — November 1, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
What? You're still here building straw men? After that unanswered pounding you took on the Berger issue?
So, let me ask you, Bush lover, what you think of Bush's latest endorsement of Rumsfeld and Cheney, just delivered today? More unqualified support for Rumsfeld by Bush. How can anyone defend the Bush presidency is beyond conception.
November 1st, 2006 at 3:59 pmIn my required "Military Arts and Science" classes, we were taught the lessons learned from previous wars and conflicts. The big lesson from Vietnam has been lost and is now replayed in Iraq. Specifically, the civilian leadership (President and Secretary of Defense) are micromanaging the war effort. The top military brass has said all along that we need MANY more troops there and that this effort would cost a LOT more, but they have been overruled at every step. Parents have to send body armor in care packages. Humvees are being manually fitted with "armor" by the troops themselves, instead of having properly armored vehicles to ride in. It's a disgrace. What Kerry is true, anyway. Bush didn't exactly succeed in the educational system (he had to rely on his connections to even get through Yale), and now he's stuck in Iraq. Oh, wait, he's in a nice cushy office somewhere. Must be nice for him.
US Air Force Academy Grad
November 1st, 2006 at 4:03 pmFormer Air Force Officer
Veteran for Peace
Eagle Scout
Concerned Citizen
I stand by my interpretation. I don't believe he intentionally insulted the troops. I think he just spoke his mind. Some people cannot comprehend why someone would join the military if they have other options. This leads them assume that people join because they couldn't get in or stay in college.
November 1st, 2006 at 4:18 pmFinally the White House has it right about Kerry. Soon to be released new evidence coming from Jack Snow and the white House includes the following new revelations: (1) Kerry knows where the WMD are in Iraq but will not tell Bush; (2) Kerry and Gore are responsible for global warmingl (3) Kerry knew about Katrina days in advance but failed to tell Bush; (4) Kerry send Castro a get well card; (5) Kerry was never in Vietnam - Bush was and that is wht he was absent from the National Guard; (6) Kerry framed Tom Delay; (7) it was Kerry who leaked the CIA's cover; (8) Kerry could have gotten John McCain released from the Cong prison camp but failed to act; (9) Kerry wrote Rush Limbaugh's script on michael Fox.
November 1st, 2006 at 4:30 pmI stand by my interpretation. I don’t believe he intentionally insulted the troops. I think he just spoke his mind. Some people cannot comprehend why someone would join the military if they have other options. This leads them assume that people join because they couldn’t get in or stay in college.
Comment by Art — November 1, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
Art,
Are you aware that John Kerry volunteered to serve in the military, then volunteered to serve in Vietnam, even though he was college-educated and from a wealthy family?
November 1st, 2006 at 4:32 pmArt,
Would you like to revise your theory in light of what you just learned about Kerry?
November 1st, 2006 at 4:33 pmThis is worse than pathetic. I was so fed up I emailed the DNC, Kerry and Barack Obama at ussentate.com an idea for a commercial rebutting Repulsivescum Party Bush/Rove spin denigrating Kerry, Murtha, and other Democrats’ military related images. The commercial goes like this:
Dark nightime skies are interrupted with the silhouette of a C-130 military plane being peppered with anti-aircraft fire. Inside U.S. paratroopers are hooking up to stag lines ready to jump. The jump Sergeant begins to call out names. “Murtha†the sarge bellows. “Here sir†a soldier answers then jumps. “Clelandâ€, Sergeant shouts! “Here sarge†a soldier answers then jumps. “Kerryâ€, Sergeant screams. “Aye aye sir†a soldier responds then jumps. “Cheney,†the sergeant shouts….silence except for hum of aircraft engines and explosions from anti-aircraft fire…â€Dick Cheney,â€the sarge repeats …silence aircraft hum explosions…â€Bush,â€.sarge calls out..silence…hum of engines explosions…â€George W. Bushâ€â€¦ silence…
scene fades to black and caption:
“Who honors their service?â€
Hey Judd,
…maybe you can use your new found celebrity to get this on air…
…pronto…
November 1st, 2006 at 4:54 pmI already knew this. I won't take away from his military service. Like I said before I don't think it was intentional. I personally wasn't insulted by his remark. I'm used to people assuming that I enlisted because college was out of my reach either due to finances or academics. Most of the people I come in contact with that have this mis-conception are officers I serve with. The fact that he was an officer doesn't change my mind. He was trying to make a point telling kids to stay in school and at the same time get in a barb about Bush and Iraq. It backfired. Who cares? It really doesn't bother me, wwether it be Kerry or anyone else. Have the republicans jumped on this to take some heat off of themselves? Of course. Has this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Of course. Are we helping them by still focusing on it long after it should have died. Yup. Look, over 400 postings on this site alone. I am neither republican or democrat. I'm one of the sought after swing voters. If the democrats want my vote in 2008 PLEASE do better than Kerry.
November 1st, 2006 at 5:01 pmI would love to continue this but a beautiful lady awaits my company. Let me know tomorrow who "wins".
November 1st, 2006 at 5:09 pm#296- "Here on the Internet, Mighty Aphrodite is held up as the skank at most “blogsâ€â€¦.if she’d only SHUT UP….On second thought….
Poodles" - - - Comment by SpudgeBoy
*******Dear SpongeCake, I hate to break this to you, but your former Presidential candidate is a GOP operative. His succumbing to hoof and mouth disease is not surprising for those of us who have studied his checkered voting pattern. He WAS for making a joke, before he was against it.....
#297 - Dear MISC - "Kerry has apologized."*****REALLY???? That was the most strange apology I have ever heard. Was he apologizing before or after he lashed out at the vast right wing conspiracy?
"When will the GOP apologize for their utter misgovernment and blind enabling of the deaths of nearly 3000 of America’s finest for no good reason at all?" ******Funny, Bill Clinton had an agenda to remove Saddam. (I guess he was a tad busy and didn't get around to it.) Obviously, YOU knew there were no WMD's and tried to alert the media and White House....I find it interesting you would allow a signed cease-fire to be broken by the enemy and exact no punishment....Pssst, sometimes, we can not reason with our enemies.
"Where’s the apology for Katrina?"******YOU are absolutely right!! I have been waiting over a year to hear an apology from Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco!
"For running up the deficit through out of control spending?"*****I agree with you that the Repubs have spent like drunken Democrats (I will no longer insult drunken sailors by comparing them to politicians.) I suppose the cost of the war bothers you as there would be more for "entitlement" spending......
"For the Schiavo fiasco?"****Why should anyone apologize for following their moral conviction?? Dems claim to have been doing that very thing for years - It's hard to find their morals but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
"For gutting habeus corpus?"******Sweepingly stupid statements are difficult to take seriously. But since you believe this to be so, please explain to the audience how the gutting of habeus corpus affects you, your neighbours, and anyone else NOT communicating with our enemy.
"For allowing the rate of abortions to increase for the first time in a decade?"******I thought this would be a cause for celebration among old feminists in sensible shoes.
"For trying to gut Social Security?"*****You mean allowing younger people to invest a tiny percentage of their Social Security Tax to try to save this GIANT Ponzi scheme??
November 1st, 2006 at 5:13 pmBy the size of your post, it looks like someone's getting frantic, Piddles.
November 1st, 2006 at 5:40 pm[...] Here’s a video: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/01/kerry-msnbc-apologize/ [...]
November 1st, 2006 at 11:22 pmThough Kerry botched a joke and made a fool of himself he was successful in exploiting just how pathetic Bush and his moronic following really are.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:01 amKerry didn't apologize. He blamed everyone for "misinterpreting" what he meant. That's a sack o' crap! Once again, Kerry shows his anti-military true colors.
November 2nd, 2006 at 9:24 amWith John Kerry (D) in the front line of the Democratic Party, there is little doubt that America will see that the smoke and mirrors of the Liberals is just that. Senator Kerry told the entire Nation exactly what the Democratic Liberal has on their minds.......NOTHING! Keep it up!
November 2nd, 2006 at 11:12 amKerry is an idiot. Whatever 'joke' he claims he botched up wasn't worth the air he used to say it. The fat is that he actually spoke the truth as he sees it, and that is the core problem. He believes what he said, the only reason he is weaseling out of it is because his party is kicking his rich ass.
he shouldn't waste our time with insincere apologies. If the Democrats know what is best (probably not) they will muzzle him quickly.
November 2nd, 2006 at 11:42 amFrenchie Kerry's political career.. Put a fork in him, He's Done!! Hillary's doing cartwheels since that one less opponnent for 08.
Just another Mass. leftie elitist who would have been no more than a Public Defender if it were'nt for the Heinze $$.
Get back to wind surfing dude! Baa-haa-haa!!~
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:11 pmHey Mighty Assabitey, thanks for replying to my earlier post. You admitted to the rest of us that you are indeed a "whacko troll."
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:57 ammmm, how much does this blog software cost? if i may ask.
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