ThinkFast: November 1, 2006
ThinkFast: November 1, 2006
“I think we have an administration today that is dysfunctional,” said neoconservative Richard Perle, a leading proponent for the war in Iraq. “And if it can’t get itself together to organize a serious program for finding nuclear material on its way to the United States, then it ought to be replaced by an administration that can.” But Bush, Perle emphasized, is not to blame.
The U.S. Air Force has requested a “staggering $50 billion in emergency funding for fiscal 2007″ — an amount equal to nearly half its annual budget — in part to help cover costs for transporting the “growing numbers of U.S. soldiers being killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Virginia police are investigating and trying to determine the names of the staffers for Sen. George Allen (R-VA) who physically accosted blogger Mike Stark yesterday at a campaign event.
P. W. Botha, “the South African leader who struggled vainly to preserve apartheid rule in a tide of domestic racial violence and global condemnation,” died yesterday at age 90. Botha was in power when conservatives, including Vice President Cheney, voted to block apartheid sanctions.
“A classified briefing prepared two weeks ago by the United States Central Command portrays Iraq as edging toward chaos.” One slide states that urban areas are “experiencing ‘ethnic cleansing’ campaigns” and that violence is at an “all-time high.”
North Korea announced it will return to the six-nation nuclear disarmament talks. David Straub, a former State Department official, said that unless both the U.S. and North Korea “bring significantly different approaches to the talks, the talks will again amount to nothing.” He added, “Indeed, both will almost certainly take even tougher lines.”
After three years, $2.3 billion in government contracts, and 52 company contractors killed, Bechtel Corp. is leaving Iraq. The contracting giant has been criticized for shoddy work, cost overruns, and missed deadlines. “Did Iraq come out the way you hoped it would?” asked Cliff Mumm, Bechtel’s president for infrastructure work. “I would say, emphatically, no.”
The wife of Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY) “called police last December to complain her husband was ‘knocking her around‘ during a late-night argument at the couple’s home.” Sweeney called the report “campaign propaganda” but did not deny that police were called to his house.
63 percent: Number of Americans who disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the Iraq war, up from 61 percent in June, according to a new Wall Street Journal poll.
And finally: After hosting “The Price is Right” for 35 years, Bob Barker plans to retire in June: “I will be 83 years old on December 12 and I’ve decided to retire while I’m still young.” Barker said he will be open to movie roles, but said, “I refuse to do nude scenes. These Hollywood producers want to capitalize on my obvious sexuality, but I don’t want to be just another beautiful body.”
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It’s so nice of Mr. Perle to relieve the President from the apparently tenuous notion of responsibility. How arrogant can some one be? Or does he think there are more electable stooges out there? Does he still think we can bomb Islam?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:15 amAccording to CNN, a Kerry aide said “Kerry was supposed to say, ‘I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.’
Kinda puts a new light on this discussion, doesn’t it?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:16 amForget all this hookey! Let’s discuss John Kerry. He needs to give back some of those purple hearts for his comments about our troops. Next he’s going to blame the faltering economy on some right wing conspiracy to make military life more pallatable.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:16 am“But Bush is not to blame”. Well of course not. Sorry, when you claim credit for any success, you also have to accept blame for the failures. He is the decider after all.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:16 amJason, like his terrorist allies in the Republican Party, know what Kerry was really saying. They are just being dishonest.
It’s a pathetic act of desperation. They are panicking.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:17 amAnd from today’s New York Times:
In one sign of the deteriorating situation for Republicans, Mr. Bush is now expected to fly to Kansas this weekend to campaign on behalf of a Republican incumbent, Jim Ryun, who just a month ago was not considered endangered.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:17 amBut Bush, Perle emphasized, is not to blame.
If not bush than who richard? Now, if pearl had said that bush is not ‘responsible’ perhaps I could agree with him on some level.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:19 amIt’s clear from the preceding paragraph that Kerry didn’t intend to insult the troops – but at this late date some desperate conservatives will glab at the thinnest of reeds to keep from going under.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:20 amKerry’s comment was right on point. The military is the employer of last resort. After all, don’t they tout their education and job training benefits?
It is not denegrading the military to tell the truth. And the truth is, if you don’t get an education, your opportunities in the job market are extremely limited. And look at the number of times the military has lowered its standards for new recruits in order to feed Bush’s Whermacht.
And Kerry was right on regarding being Stuck in Iraq. See the movie “Iraq for Sale.” We’re not getting out of Iraq because it is too damn profitable for Halliburton and others.
If you care about our young women and men in harm’s way, then elect candidates who will stand up to the War Profiteers and instead vote for Peace.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:24 amSomeone dispatch Mike Stark immediately!
November 1st, 2006 at 9:24 amRay, I’m sure the Democrats would welcome further discussion on how well things are going in Iraq. That they have to glom onto a misstatement from a decorated veteran, shows that they have nothing to say. All the negative ads trying to scare people about what democrats may do if they win a majority, further illuminates the complete failure of the past 6 years of this Republican controlled Congress and Administration. They can’t run any ads highlighting their accomplishments, since they don’t have any.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:28 amAh, Ray. How sad it is that this is all you’ve got. It’s revealing of how desperate your side is that bushco immediately jumps on a botched joke about the chimpmiester’s intelligence, or lack thereof. Only 30%ers like yourself will have trouble seeing this as the pathetic attempt to distract and non-issue that it is. But have at it Ray, we know you’ve got nothing else. In a world full of real issues it can’t hurt to have you out there illustrating for all how little you really have to talk about.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:28 amMy comment on 11 should read: “That Republicans have to glom onto a misstatement from a decorated veteran
November 1st, 2006 at 9:30 amSweeney’s short comings don’t start or end with that little incident.
Let’s help Kirsten Gillibrand put this goon out of work on Nov. 7th.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:33 amI agree barfly, the reich wingers are going to try to carry a statement like a dead horse instead of holding their party accountable for hundred’s of thousand’s of killed service personell and citizens here and over there…They also don’t get the losses of our security, distruction of our country and constitution and all done by heir dictator and his miserable regime…….
Keep spewing crap reich wingers and watch the wave and back lash as the public wake up. It may or may not happen in this election, but it will happen and yes we are keeping our gun’s……Blessings
November 1st, 2006 at 9:36 amIf Bush isn’t to blame for the debacle that passes for government of the people, by the people and for the people, then who is?
hmmm, must be the people.
And you know something? That’s an ugly true statement. In a democracy, the people are ultimately the ones who shoulder the responsibility.
We employ our elected representatives. And every election, we give them a job performance review.
Would you retain an employee that is caught covering up a fellow employee’s wrongful actions? Would you retain an employee who steals from you? Would you retain an employee who lies to you, and then lies about lying? Would you retain an employee who has saddled your company with so much debt that it will take multiple generations before you return to operating in the black?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:36 amForget all this hookey! Let’s discuss John Kerry. He needs to give back some of those purple hearts for his comments about our troops.
Didn’t he do that already? I thought he threw them over the wall at the White House years ago. Before he went to congress and called our brave soldiers muderers and rapists.
The point that the military is less educated shows that you have no clue how much education they get. The education level of the military is higher than the national average.
A higher ratio of degrees among the troops than the general populace.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:36 amCute picture of Mr. Perle, should someone check out who’s been beating on him at home?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:37 amOr maybe he got an elbow in his eye in Virginia yesterday………..
Thats closer to the truth
November 1st, 2006 at 9:37 amRay, if you would like to get in a competition about quotes and apologies, W and his clan would need to be apologizing for a long time to Americans. How about this chestnut? “I don’t know where he is and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” George W. Bush, May 13, 2003
Or this one: “So I don’t know where he [Osama bin Laden] is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. ”
White House press conference, March 13, 2002
By the way, where is Osama?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:37 amBut Bush, Perle emphasized, is not to blame.
sure sounds like a CYA to me…
November 1st, 2006 at 9:40 amand i sure wish you could have found a more attractive photo of that guy – quite a shock to my morning eyes… ech!
Yarrrrr Pirate Perle here is just another cheerleader for the MIC
November 1st, 2006 at 9:40 amOh, poor, poor Bechtel. And they tried SO hard, too! If only… sigh. They really should disclose their profit from the no-bid contracts, I’m concerned that they may not have been properly compensated for all of their hard work, especially when they only got 2.3 Billion, instead of the 3 Billion they were expecting. This will mean major layoffs, no doubt. A tragedy.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:41 amwell, thank you!
November 1st, 2006 at 9:41 ami refresh the page and the photo changes! i must not be the only one…
just started here, will see…
I hope cheney loses every damn bechtel/kbr/halliburton stock he ever had. I truly hope that these people go bankrupt and the owners and stockholders end up in the soup lines
November 1st, 2006 at 9:43 amKerry should have said that “If you don’t study hard you could torpedo the hopes of Liberals one day.”
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D’s in his freshman year out of 10 courses.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:45 am-”The Price is Right”ain’t goin’ nowhere. Bushco’s. sale of American infrastructure continues.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:46 amDidn’t he do that already? I thought he threw them over the wall at the White House years ago.
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 9:36 am
You actually believed something from the “broken newz”, a self proclaimed satirical news site. Dude, your funny
http://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory.asp_Q_storyid_E_926kerrygma#
November 1st, 2006 at 9:46 amSteve, you and your republican friends know what Kerry meant – you just don’t have anything else to run on so you take a botched joke and try to make an issue of it. I think it may also be becoming a little tiresome to hear people who haven’t served trashing those that have. Exactly how many purple hearts did GW and Cheney have to throw anywhere? And as for Kerry testifying before congress about past misdeeds by some in the military, have we not seen some of the same type of incidents occur in Iraq?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:46 amMore of the RWA disorder/mentality of the GrOPes. What compassionate people! Not!
November 1st, 2006 at 9:47 amSo you think that Kerry mussed up a joke and was talking about Bush, that the troops aint dumb. Well, where I’m from the people I know will be fooled by this and will not stand for this type of insult against the troops.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:48 amHes another great Bush lie Ray, one the Troops also are sure to remember;
November 1st, 2006 at 9:49 am
#17 – “A higher ratio of degrees among the troops than the general populace.”
Hey, I can pull statistics out of my a$$ as well!
Did you know that the more educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Democrat? In fact, 80% of all PHD’s vote Democrat! I don’t have to prove it, I’ll just say it and it’ll be true, EXACTLY LIKE STEVE!
Why don’t you show some proof to back up your claim? Or can you not do it because you’re wrong?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:50 amWell, where I’m from the people I know will be fooled by this and will not stand for this type of insult against the troops.
Comment by RayFromGA
Heres another insult against the troops.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:50 am
Republicans are scared cowards desperately trying to cover up their weakness by talking tough and hiding behind our military.
Republicans think America is too weak to defeat terrorists and still maintain her honor and her freedom.
Why do you Republicans think America is dishonorable?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:50 amJust for some clarification here is what Kerry has said in response to the uproar from the Republicans:
“If anybody thinks that a veteran would somehow criticize more than 140,000 troops serving in Iraq and not the President and his people who put them there, they’re crazy. It’s just wrong. This is a classic GOP textbook, Republican campaign tactic. I’m sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not debate real policy, who won’t take responsibility for their own mistakes, standing up and trying to make other people the butt of those mistakes.”
The first sentence clearly points out what he was targeting. Give him bad grades for not telling a joke right, fine with me. Hell, we can fill a book with the shit that comes out of Bush’s mouth. But don’t look any more into this. Is this really what the Republicans want to spend their last few days of power on? They just like beating that same horse (Kerry) while the rest of the country is in a different race. Why not go fight someone whose in a race now.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:53 amWell, where I’m from the people I know will be fooled by this and will not stand for this type of insult against the troops.
Comment by RayFromGA — November 1, 2006 @ 9:48 am
Well Ray, where you’re from this may be true – laughingly you admit that they, like yourself are being fooled. What’s the old saying? “You can fool some of the people all of the time”? (You may prefer bush’s interpretation of this line, but it’s too confusing for me to repeat). In this country, that total comes to about 30%, including you of course.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:54 amSteve–
November 1st, 2006 at 9:54 amYou don’t give a legacy ‘D’s’ at Yale.
No matter how much they deserve it.
Kerry’s Medals
1st Purple Heart: December 2, 1968
2nd Purple Heart: February 20, 1969
Silver Star: February 28, 1969
Bronze Star / 3rd Purple Heart: March 13, 1969
How many Purple Hearts does it take to get out of Vietnam? Yep 3.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:56 amIt only took him 4 months and 12 days to accomplish this. Maybe he is smarter than I thought. A TRUE Vet? Not even close.
The point that the military is less educated shows that you have no clue how much education they get. The education level of the military is higher than the national average.
A higher ratio of degrees among the troops than the general populace.
Comment by Steve
That must be why they’re taking kids that can barely pass a GED. And why they’ve lowered standards for those with former arrest records.
Kerry wasn’t talking about the troops, Mr. Desperate.
This one’s going to backfire; ’cause now, we’re all talking about Iraq:
Immigration debate? She go Poof!
Gay Marriage? Le Pooftaire!
“Death Tax?” Thump!
“Great Economy?” Where? In Iraq?
It’s now war, war, war, in every debate.
Do you really want another Iraq debate right now?
November 1st, 2006 at 9:57 am63 percent: Number of Americans who disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the Iraq war, up from 61 percent in June, according to a new Wall Street Journal poll.
This has just got to scare the bejeezus out of the bed-wetting right (a.k.a. the 30%). Coming to find out that, according to the Decider, more than 6 out of every 10 Americans they meet are “terra-ist supporters.”
“If you aren’t with us, you are against us. Heh heh.” -The Decider
November 1st, 2006 at 9:59 ami’m sure the more relavent comparison would be to evaluate the classes taken by dumbya and kerry … if those “cumulative scores” were weighted, the results would be different…
November 1st, 2006 at 9:59 amjust a guess…
my daughter was #10 in her class of NINE (9) valedictorians… her gpa was 3.99, all science classes as electives…
not sour grapes, just sayin’…
that was a screwed up system that has since been remedied…
Steve, Kerrys Purple Hearts beat Cheney’s Pink Butterfly or Shrub’s Yellow Cupcake
November 1st, 2006 at 10:00 amNow that Perle is safely out of the administration, he feels free to criticize them – omitting that, as an original neo-con, he has responsibility for his role.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:01 amTypical repug – blame something else, someone else, but not himself nor his stupid leader.
okay, the end all for the Kerry discussion.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:01 amDid Kerry say “get an education, or serve in the military”?
Did Kerry say “only the uneducated will serve in the military”?
No, he said, as reference to GWB, don’t become intellictually lazy and stuck in Iraq.
Okay, all you anti-Kerry bashers, if he was directly addressing the troops, was he saying only the men and women serving in Iraq are uneducated, while the rest of the troops around the world are not? Was he saying that because the troops are staying in Iraq, they have no education? Well, of course not, and our brave men and women serving all over deserve better than this so-called outrage over a verbal attack that was meant for our president’s failed policies.
OK someone Tell me the joke he was suppose to say? He botched nothing….. he just didn’t realize that backlash that would occur from his statement. He is not sorry he said it. He is upset that people are upset that he said it. HE SAID WHAT HE BELIEVES.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:01 amHow many Purple Hearts does it take to get out of Vietnam?
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 9:56 am
Steve, here’s one for you – how many political favors does it take to avoid Vietnam completely? How many deferments? I don’t really care if Kerry was injured pulling the top on a can of beer in Vietnam – the point is that he was there, and didn’t have to be.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:02 amComment by barfly — November 1, 2006 @ 9:57 am
excellent point… it’s working too…
November 1st, 2006 at 10:02 amBush even went so far Ray as to fly all the way to Iraq and serve a inedible plastic turkey and have his picture taken.
This year he plans on serving a plastic hog.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:02 amI regret that the manhandling of an Allen protestor has been overshadowed by the non-issue between Bush and Kerry.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:04 amThe media would prefer to focus on the war of words than on the apparent assault by Allen’s handlers.
How many Purple Hearts does it take to get out of Vietnam? Yep 3.
It only took him 4 months and 12 days to accomplish this. Maybe he is smarter than I thought. A TRUE Vet? Not even close.
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 9:56 am
Wow, when you’ve got nothing of merit to discuss/debate, you SWIFTBOAT.
how typical
care to respond to my post #2 there, stevey boy
November 1st, 2006 at 10:04 ambarfly, the first things I thought when I heard of the Republican furor over this comment were “Did he really mean that?” and “Why do the Republicans keep reminding America how many of our troops are in Iraq?” Kerry himself later answered my first question. I don’t expect an answer to my second question.
PS I thought Gay marriage was the most important issue in America and that New Jersey’s Supreme Court decision was going to do in the Democratic party. Anyone want to guess how many friends and family I have talked to who have even touched on that topic in political discussion?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:05 amAnyone who believes that Kerry intended to insult the troops is just too stupid to warrant a reply.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:05 amI noticed how much alike PW Botha and Bush/Cheney are. I remembered the Katrina victims and Bush watched black people die. Mandela is a blessed man and he leads the prayer in the death of such an evil heartless man.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:06 amOh I’m sending my daughter a soldier in Afghan her Christmas present but she said it had to be something that her squad could share. I guess our troops haven’t got the Bush memo as he is supporting racism. Our troops are a team all for one one for all. Yes Bush got scared while in the military and was drunk all the time then skipped out as not to serve now he as ordered our troops to stop looking for a kidnapped soldier. I wonder if our troops think if that happens to each one of them that the Bush military policy is leave them and let them die. We need a real Commander-in-Chief.
Even Democrats are beginning to run away from Kerry’s disgusting remarks. Heh! I love it!:
Iowa candidate asks Kerry to cancel campaign visit
DES MOINES, Iowa
A Democratic Congressional candidate from Iowa is canceling a campaign event later this week with Senator John Kerry.
Brucy Braley says Kerry’s recent comments about the Iraq war were inappropriate.
Braley is running against Republican Mike Whalen in Iowa’s First District congressional race. It’s a contest considered to be one of the most competitive House races in the country.
Braley’s decision to distance himself from Kerry came as a furor grew from comments Kerry made about the Iraq War during a campaign stop in California on Monday.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:06 amSo, Richard Perle, just who is to blame if it is not Bush? Where does the buck stop? If one is to open that can of worms they must be expected to answer. We are waiting.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:06 am“I think we have an administration today that is dysfunctional,†said neoconservative Richard Perle
Gee, ya think???
P. W. Botha, “the South African leader who struggled vainly to preserve apartheid rule in a tide of domestic racial violence and global condemnation,†died yesterday at age 90.
I do not rejoice at another man’s death, but I will not weep for this one.
After three years, $2.3 billion in government contracts, and 52 company contractors killed, Bechtel Corp. is leaving Iraq. The contracting giant has been criticized for shoddy work, cost overruns, and missed deadlines. “Did Iraq come out the way you hoped it would?†asked Cliff Mumm, Bechtel’s president for infrastructure work. “I would say, emphatically, no.â€
Would the answer be the same, Mr. Mumm, to the question, “But did Bechtel still make a profit from this contract?” Betcha it would be different.
The wife of Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY) “called police last December to complain her husband was ‘knocking her around‘ during a late-night argument at the couple’s home.†Sweeney called the report “campaign propaganda†but did not deny that police were called to his house.
I think it’s pretty bad when we, the voting public, just accept it when the truth is being dismissed as “campaign “. I hope that any stories that reported this remark at least verified that the police really did visit his house and reported it in the same story.
See you tomorrow, folks.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:07 amPoor Steve, you seem to be a one trick pony. Dust off that old playbook of 2 years ago and cheer like your life depends on it. Don’t let those little things like facts and context get in the way. You have your ego to defend.
The one thing I won’t stand for is trashing ANYONE who has served in OUR military. You want to bash policy go ahead but you are dividing the country by trashing anyone who served. You are a coward and a spreader of lies.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:08 amALL who served is worthy of OUR deepest gratitude and your cheap words DISGUST me.
Ray fromGeorge’s Ass,
November 1st, 2006 at 10:09 am‘Next he’s going to blame the faltering economy on some right wing conspiracy to make military life more pallatable.’
The faltering economy is due to right wing incompetency & cronyism.
Thanks for saying it first, Ray.
If, as you say, the economy is faltering, why is the Chimp doing his primate dance two days in a row in Georgia? Does he think he’s named after your State? Does he thing no one in Georgia can put 2 & 2 together to realize Bush is the reason the economy is failing?
Why, Ray, why?
According to CNN, a Kerry aide said “Kerry was supposed to say, ‘I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.’
Does that answer your question Steve. I know humor is a difficult subject for you folks, after all he wasn’t making fun of someone with a debilitating disease (or was he?) but I got it even without the clarification. Your desperation is showing Steve,
November 1st, 2006 at 10:09 amYet ANOTHER Democrat backs runs away from Kerry and his disgusting remarks about our troops:
Kerry cancels Mankato appearance
The Free Press
MANKATO — The dueling rallies scheduled for Mankato today on behalf of Republican congressman Gil Gutknecht and Democratic challenger Tim Walz lost some of their pizzaz Tuesday night when Sen. John Kerry pulled out of the Democratic rally.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the front-runner for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, is the star attraction at a rally at the Midwest Wireless Civic Center for Gutknecht and Gov. Tim Pawlenty.
Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee pulled out of the DFL event, which will still be held, as the result of a controversy over comments he made Monday inCalifornia.
Walz communication director Meredith Salsbery said Kerry canceled his visit to keep the focus on the issues and away from Kerry’s comments and McCain’s response.
She wouldn’t comment on whether Walz asked Kerry not to campaign for him, but said the decision was ultimately the senator’s choice.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:11 ambravo hellinabucket re:post #59,
November 1st, 2006 at 10:12 amBravo
63 percent: Number of Americans who disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the Iraq war, up from 61 percent in June, according to a new Wall Street Journal poll.
This has just got to scare the bejeezus out of the bed-wetting right (a.k.a. the 30%). Coming to find out that, according to the Decider, more than 6 out of every 10 Americans they meet are “terra-ist supporters.â€
Why would you assume that because people disapprove Of Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq that the same number supports the DEMS. I have misgivings about the strategy but in no way in hell do I think the DEMS have a better Idea.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:15 amI see the GrOPer sea-grapes [brain eaters] have unglued from Clintons penis and have now leached onto Kerrys.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:16 amCorrection:
I think it’s pretty bad when we, the voting public, just accept it when the truth is being dismissed as campaign propaganda. I hope that any stories that reported this remark at least verified that the police really did visit his house and reported it in the same story.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled blog.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:16 amCASEY CANCELS APPEARANCE WITH KERRY
November 1, 2006 – ABC news is reporting that Senator John Kerry has cancelled all appearances today – including a campaign stop in Philadelphia with Pennsylvania U.S. Senate candidate Bob Casey.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:19 amThe trolls are coming out from under their bridges over some pretty weak shit these days…
November 1st, 2006 at 10:19 amDisgusting remark about our troops? That would be rumsfeld whom sent the troops into Iraq with little armor, his reason.
“You go to war with the troops you have and not the ones you wish you had” We all know that PNAC and others, mainly Rummy, were in charge of war plans.
Why does Rumsfeld say such disgusting, morale killing things? WHy does George and Rummy hate thw Troops? Did Rummy evet apologize for this hateful remark?? WHy NOOoooooo!!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:20 amDRxj On your comment #2. You can’t call what he was suppose to say and what he actually said as a mangling or botching of a supposed joke. First the comment makes no sense. He was talking to students.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:20 amTo become president they might need an education before they could even think about getting us stuck in Iraq. The DEM spin machine has LAID AN EGG> Nobody (except kool-aid drinkers) is going to buy (”This is what he was suppose to say crap”)
I bet Nancy is looking for a few good thugs to have a talk with John about now.
Clinton!
Kerry!
Henny Penny!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:22 amSteve,
Speaking of assuming, I suggest you read my post again. No where in it, do I mention the Democrats.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:23 amThe one thing I won’t stand for is trashing ANYONE who has served in OUR military. You want to bash policy go ahead but you are dividing the country by trashing anyone who served.
Comment by hellinabucket
Well you need to quit trashing me then. I serverd for 8 Years not 4 months.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:23 amWow Exley, it looks like Kerry’s will now have an uphill battle winning re-election this cycle eh? Keep campaigning against Kerry Exley, his seat in the senate is definitely in danger on the 7th!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:24 am#72, Exactly, Steve….No one is buying the Dem’s laughable and credulity-straining explanation of Kerry’s insult of our troops. As we see, even Democrats are running away from Kerry and his vile remarks….
John Kerry — The gift that keeps on giving!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:24 am#26- Steve- 10 classes in his freshman year? Pretty ambitious. How many did GWB take on? What were his grades? Given his active ’social life’, his studies must have suffered somewhat. And that is before adding his cheerleading duties to his hectic schedule! How did he find time for it all?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:24 amIf you trolls have to latch onto a quote from Kerry to help you through an election and that’s all you have…..you are in worse shape than I thought. HAHAHAHAHA
November 1st, 2006 at 10:26 amThe first thing I see on Think Progress’s page is the face of evil!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:27 amanother “smooth move” by Exlax. He knows Kerry’s misinterpreted words are meaningless to voters
November 1st, 2006 at 10:28 amCyra Maybe he paid someone :)
November 1st, 2006 at 10:28 amKeep grasping but I’m keeping the straws :)
Buish and Kerry are brothers!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:29 amWar hero John McCain apparently wasn’t convinced by Kerry’s laughable explanation for his “you get stuck in Iraq” comment. Campaigning for Republicans in Michigan late today, McCain said:
“His statement, basically, was so demeaning to the men and women who are serving in the military that you will be even more grateful than you are at this moment that George Bush is president of the United States…
You can’t make this up. His statement was that if you get an education and you do well, then you don’t have to go to Iraq, and if you don’t have an education, then you have to go to Iraq. Do you know how demeaning that is to the men and women who are serving so magnificently in the cause of freedom and are fighting and dying in Iraq today? As I said, you can’t make it up.”
November 1st, 2006 at 10:30 amSteve, do you have your head in a bong this morning? A bit early isn’t it? First you can’t understand a botched joke, now you complete miss hellinabuckets point – though it’s clearly there – that there is a difference between trashing a person’s military service and trashing them for their positions on the issues.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:31 amKerry’s Medals
1st Purple Heart: December 2, 1968
2nd Purple Heart: February 20, 1969
Silver Star: February 28, 1969
Bronze Star / 3rd Purple Heart: March 13, 1969
How many Purple Hearts does it take to get out of Vietnam? Yep 3.
It only took him 4 months and 12 days to accomplish this. Maybe he is smarter than I thought. A TRUE Vet? Not even close.
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 9:56 am
So he’s not a true vet after being wounded three times and decorated for bravery twice? You are sick.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:31 amExley, Steve,
November 1st, 2006 at 10:32 amSo, are you saying that Kerry was attacking only those brave women and men serving in Iraq, and thus was giving praise to all others serving aroung the globe?
Do you really, honestly believe Kerry was only calling the troops in Iraq uneducated? Are you two saying that only the smart serve elsewhere?
Our brave men and women deserve better, steve and exley, and to suggest that Kerry was talking directly about them is a great disservice
Exactly, Steve….No one is buying the GrOPe’s laughable and credulity-straining explanation of Allens insult of America and his KKK attack dogs. As we see, even GrOPers are running away from Allen and his vile racist remarks and the actions of his KKK members
November 1st, 2006 at 10:33 amGeorge Allen — The gift that keeps on giving!
I really did expect someone from the Progressives to Apologize for Kerry’s comments and say they don’t reflect thier own thoughts….. Instead we get spin and damage control. Circle the wagons say everyone else got it wrong and try to be the victim.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:33 amThis is the behavior that has you out of power now and will continue to keep you out. Use that great education level you supposedly have and quit repeating failure.
P. W. Botha, “the South African leader who struggled vainly to preserve apartheid rule in a tide of domestic racial violence and global condemnation,†died yesterday at age 90. Botha was in power when conservatives, including Vice President Cheney, voted to block apartheid sanctions.
Is it so bad for me to be happy about this guy being gone?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:33 amWell then Steve you would understand more than most how asinine it is to attack anyone who served. Thank you for your service to this country. Kerry’s time in Vietnam was 4 months, he served longer than that. The attack itself is flawed. All these republicans groping for a life raft before they sink are ignoring the entire context and are hoping sound bites will save them. Not their policy or their records but sound bites. Do you want someone who puts so much emphasis on sound bites from someone who isn’t running to be the basis to be in office? You ignore the Billions of Dollars wasted (when estimates were 70 and were over 500 with no end in site). You ignore the disasterous way the republicans have kept Foley and his lecherous ways in the closet. You ignore DeLay, Cunningham, Libby, Hastert, Abramoff, Reed, Allen and more that have failed this country.
Talk about a strawman. What are the real issues you stand for and we’ll discuss them. Keep slaming on Kerry and your just switching seats on the Titanic.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:35 amWar hero John McCain apparently wasn’t convinced by Kerry’s laughable explanation for his “you get stuck in Iraq†comment.
Comment by Exley
Who cares what that traitor to the Constitution thinks. A few months ago Repubs were saying that he wasn’t right in the head because he was totured in Vietnam. Now you want to uphold that fool of a “man” who can’t even stand up to a man that derides him and his family. What a wimp he is for never taking bush to town on that….instead he shakes his hand and kisses his ass.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:36 amCut and Run W explaining, in his morale busting fashion, to the troops why they were pulled out of Afghanistan. Disgusting.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:36 amDRxJ,
If Kerry didn’t have a long history of derogating our troops, this story may nothave had any legs. But his insulting comments are part of a pattern by Kerry…
You wrote, “Our brave men and women deserve better.” I couldn’t agree more. That is why Kerry, the titular leader of the Democratic Party, must apologize.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:37 am#90, Sound bites and bumper sticker slogans are all this administration has to offer. As for truly supporting the troops, they have failed on every count.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:37 amExley,
November 1st, 2006 at 10:38 amIt all depends on what the meaning of you is. Kerry should have used
Now you want to uphold that fool of a “manâ€
If you have seen my post on other topics you’d know I’m no fan of McCain.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:40 amMcCain is out for himself. He picks a side based on how much face time he can get in front of a camera.
Yet ANOTHER Democrat backs runs away from Kerry and his disgusting remarks about our troops:
Kerry cancels – and suddenly in Exleyworld, the others are backing away from him. Another example of Peabrain’s vaunted powers of reading comprehension!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:40 amWhy would anyone ever apologize for or protect a politician?? Thats just carzy talk. They are ALL to be criticized!!! =)
November 1st, 2006 at 10:41 amExley,
It all depends on what the meaning of you is. Kerry should have used
Comment by WaltTheMan
LOL now that is funny
November 1st, 2006 at 10:41 amExley,
November 1st, 2006 at 10:42 amI will always, ALWAYS, defend our troops, but I’m having a real hard time understanding that you believe he was attacking a select number who serve. Why, if he were to defame the military, not go all “balls out” and say, “study, get an education,don’t become intellictually lazy and otherwise join the military”….He never said that, he said “stuck in Iraq” which was a joke about Bush’s failed policies
Even the BBC Newshour — hardly a bastion of conservative sentiment — is headlining the Kerry story, and is having a bit of fun at Kerry’s expense. Asks the anchor, “Not the cleverest thing to say at this point, was it?”
You could say that again!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:42 amanother despicable lie..when will george ever apologize?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:44 amHey Exley did you get your little GrOPer Judges Gavel with your GrOPes membership to the GrOPe?
My GrOPer Boss did, a real card too!, and the despot gets to beat his little gavel on his desk, and oh yeah he also got a picture of dubya. It’s like he’s in a fan club!! Jajjajajajaaaaa!!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:46 amAccording to CNN, a Kerry aide said “Kerry was supposed to say, ‘I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.’
Kinda puts a new light on this discussion, doesn’t it?
Comment by DRxJ
Not really. At least not for me. The #1 but of “I am stupid” jokes has been Bush for years. You have to really be stretching to assume anyone saying what Kerry did meant the troops in general. Hell the troops didnt get stuck in Iraq… Bush is the one that sent them there…
November 1st, 2006 at 10:47 am#81-Steve- No, not ‘grasping’, I am ASKING. There is a difference. You seem to know about that subject, so I was asking. If you don’t know, just say so, it’s okay if you don’t, though.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:47 amOur troops won’t be used for nation building -gwb
another despicable lie..when will george ever apologize?
I never had sex with that woman :) Please we could do this all day.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:47 am#100 DRxJ, I am certain that you will indeed always defend the troops. But, like I said, Kerry does not. His comments fit a pattern of his. Kerry is an elitist who was derogating our troops, He specifically mentioned Iraq because he was at a Democratic Party event and Iraq is always a punchline at such events designed to draw applause.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:48 amRemind me Exley, who sent the troops to Iraq without the proper body Armor? Who has slashed medical aide for Vets? Who snorted cocaine while he was supposed to be serving his country? Who didn’t care where OBL was? Who sat for 7 MINUTES after he was told a 2nd plane has hit the World Trade Center and we are under attack? Who wants OBGYN’s to practice their love with their patients? (one of my favorites).
Who is in power but yet powerless to control a situation he created in Iraq? Who keeps saying “Stay the Course” but won’t elaborate on what the course is.
I believe you have reserved cabin 412c on the Titanic. Enjoy the trip.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:48 amYes, so we have a a senator’s hit squad manhandle a citizen, a GOP congressman’s wife stating that he beat her, a GOP congressman accused of beating a waitress, the third highest monthly death toll of US troops, Cheney saying it ok to torture, DeLay saying he did nothing wrong and these trolls think a mispoken statement from Kerry will save them. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Good luck with that one buckos.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:49 amOur troops won’t be used for nation building -gwb
another despicable lie..when will george ever apologize?
I never had sex with that woman :) Please we could do this all day.
Comment by Steve
So did that BJ cost 2800+ American lives?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:51 amRichard Perle should be deported to Israel and never allowed to enter the US for the rest of his criminal Neocon worthless life!
November 1st, 2006 at 10:52 amWanna fix the system?
- Require parties to declare their purpose.
All political parties must file their party platform quarterly with the FEC. Any political party that uses funding to support an issue which is not a part of their declared party platform is in violation of law and all registered members of that party are prohibited from appearing on a public ballot for 12 months.
- Ban pork.
Laws shall be of one subject. All bills that contain spending or include rules that regulate levels of taxation or significantly change the costs of conducting business shall be reasonably associated with the introduced subject of the bill (as judged by the GAO) or be invalid.
- Reasonable tax.
The tax codes of the US shall not be written in a manner requiring more than a 12th grade education level to comprehend and more than eight hours to complete.
- Constitutional Powers
Congress retains the right to declare war – and Congress also retains the responsibility for the consequences of the conflict. In cases of catastrophic failure, Congress is expected to expel (or impeach) those responsible.
Dunno if any of that would actually work, but I feel better for having typed it.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:53 am[....projecting the opinion he learned on TV]
November 1st, 2006 at 10:54 amHellinabucket, you are confusing “Stay the Course” with Stay in Iraq and achieve Victory. The COURSE has changed many many times, the constant that pisses of the Libs is that we want to stay untill the job is done. I always hear Libs talking about our Image around the world. Leaving Iraq and letting it fall into the hands of terrorist is somehow going to improve that image?
November 1st, 2006 at 10:55 amI remember Bush running around in a powerpoint presentation looking for WMD, disgusting, making fun of the troops looking for weapons that didn’t exist, looking for the lies. Bush thought it was funny.
Bush has much less taste than Kerry when it comes to stupid remarks that are supposed to be humorous. Bush also never apologised for that Skit as I remember.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:59 amWhat does eliminate terrorist is by giving those who readily join a chance at hope. By establishing democracy and giving people who have never had any power in thier own lives, that chance, we slowly erode the foundation that creates terrorists. We are more in a battle with those who wish to maintain that foundation then with anyone else. Its going after ther the root of the problem, not just the symptoms that scares them most.
The problems exists throughout the middle east, I’m not protecting any country or regime. Iraq is so important because when we succeed it will be the beacon of freedom and Arabs will see they have a choice. Countries Like Saudia Arabia will no longer be able to rule the people in an oppressive manner. Iraq is the point of impact and the rest are just ripples from the wave which will sweep the region. Free people pose much less of a threat to us than people with no freedom or hope. We are only fighting terrorist in Iraq because they choose to come there. Why would they come from countries all over the world if Iraq was not important to them??
This is a reposting from another thread but are my comments.
November 1st, 2006 at 10:59 amSo did that BJ cost 2800+ American lives?
Comment by. ggibson
The war is how old? Did you know that 2503 people were murdered in California last year? Maybe we should redeploy to Texas
November 1st, 2006 at 11:01 amit was supposed to be a freedom operation not a civil war. Rummys shock and awe plan was a total disaster, halliburton as you see above is pulling out as are the investors in this pnac aei democratic boondoggle experiment.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:02 amDemocrat Harold Ford has now demanded John Kerry apologize.
Heh!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:02 amthe constant that pisses of the Libs is that we want to stay untill the job is done.
Comment by Steve
Exactly. And it should piss you off too that this administration can’t even define that. Tell me what does “stay until the job is done” mean.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:03 amDemocrat Harold Ford has now demanded John Kerry apologize.
Heh!
Comment by Exley
Reading the Imus thread is going to be so painful for you . . .
November 1st, 2006 at 11:06 amdlet see post 116. That is what it means
November 1st, 2006 at 11:06 amExley, Mr.Kerry did apologize
November 1st, 2006 at 11:06 am#114 Steve- What, exactly, IS the ‘job’? I would like to hear the details, no BushCo talking points, either. A real answer, okay?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:07 amreally, the steve troll is not worth the time and energy it takes to respond to the uneducated comments it posts…
good write-up at crooksandliars:
November 1st, 2006 at 11:07 amIs CNN Trying To Defend George Allen’s Goons?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/01/is-cnn-trying-to-defend-george-allens-goons/
a letter from stark also…
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you don’t even know the plan for dubyas ‘the course’….
November 1st, 2006 at 11:08 amWhat is the matter Katy can’t handle a little perspective?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:10 amIf I may, I would like to add a comment regarding education and the military. I am sure I will be attacked for what I say, by people who have never served, but feel they have an opinion on the matter…..just because they like to talk about something they do not know. I feel I am a little more qualified than these people in my opinion for two reasons. 1) I was honorably discharged from the military 3 times (twice from reserves and once from active duty. 2) I have four college degrees (2 associates, 1 Bachelor’s & 1 Masters) and when I was in the military…I WAS NOT AN OFFICER, BUT RATHER I WAS ENLISTED. By the way, did I say I was in the first Gulf War?? The first thing I would say is JOHN KERRY IS RIGHT…..BUSH IS A LIAR, A THIEF AND SO FULL OF BS….You can tell President Bush and his administration HAVE NEVER SERVED IN A WAR OR HONORABLY IN THE MILITARY.
With regards to our military……the demographics racially and socioeconomically in the enlisted class of the military in many ways mirror the demographics of the prison population, i.e.; minorites are very overrepresented in the military in comparison to the percentage of representation in the population. This is also true with regards to education and socioeconomic status. For example: When I enlisted in the military, only 3% of those entering basic training in my battalion had attended college or obtained a degree. This is compare to a staggering 38% that came into the military with only a GED. Please remember that I am only speaking of the enlisted class of the military and in my case….specifically the ARMY (BE ALL YOU CAN BE…THIS IS TRULY A JOKE). A Battalion has 5 companies (generally) and the size of each company can vary, but in the case of my basic training……each company held roughly 300 to 400 people x 5 for each company. As I said, I am only speaking of enlisted people, because if you look at the numbers for officers….IT IS SKEWED IN THE EXACT OPPOSITE DIRECTION. Officers are represented by WHITE, COLLEGE EDUCATE AND OF HIGHER SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUND BY 85% OR GREATER!! All you have to think about is Colin Powell………he is one black general in a room with how many white generals??
This leads me to a point no one is talking about……which demonstrates the truth about the military and education. The word is GED….better known as the General Education Diploma. The GED was the military’s way to get around a rule that pertains to have some minimal baseline of education in order to be recruited. The military put as a proviso that a person must have a high school diploma in order to be recruited. This presented a huge problem in WWII (yes, WWII), because that meant that many draftees DID NOT qualify for the service. Thus in 1942, the military in it’s brillance created the G.E.D. as a way to circumvent it’s own educational requirement rule of a high school diploma. The G.E.D. has been a recruiter’s tool ever since. If a recruiter has a recruit that does not have a H.S. Diploma…..that recruiter scurries that little recruit down to the G.E.D. center for next test. You know you got to get your quota in or that recruiter will find his/her happy butt on the next plane to Iraq. Many recruiters would rather your son/daughter have the space on the next plane to Iraq…..then to find themselves in that plane seat (I think it is a conflict of interest for other soldiers to recruit people to become soldiers). Think Vietnam…..now think Iraq. Would you as a soldier rather be stateside and send others in your place….think about it!!!
This brings me to two other wonderful recruiting tools; 1) The citizenship guarantee 2) The Army College Fund. The first was obviously used to lure illegal and predominately hispanic inductees. I personally have a problem with this concept, especially if you buy into the Republican Terrorist Paranoia…..I don’t, but I still have a problem with this proviso, because what it does is it imports more poverty into an already impoverished enlisted military system. Nothing like luring (literally indentured slaves) with the promise of the American Dream. If you take the terrorism position, then we are offering free citizenship to potential would be terrorists. Are you aware that the military is currently shelling out millions of dollars to recruit people in the military directly from the middle east or of middle eastern descent (especially in the area of linguistics). The major lure in this recruitment is not money or educations, but rather the golden fleece of American Citizenship. Please understand, I think that the U.S. has created much of the problems it has in the middle east on it’s own…….not all, but a lot. I think we have pissed many people off with our arrogant democracy (that we don’t even demonstrate in our own country). I think we have handed many of these people the anger that they now feel and I believe that our deeds will come back to haunt us. You know the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Whether our intentions were good is still up for debate……I can see that we are on the road to hell from what we have allowed our President to do.
I will stop for a minute,,,,,,as I see I have written much. If you are interested and want me to write more…..I will, but if you say you are not interested then I will understand. If you want me to write more…..I will write next on the Army College Fund, the infamous ASVAB Test and lastly how the military uses your credit report to pin you to an occupation.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:10 amP.S. Please don’t criticize me for spelling or grammarical mistakes……as I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OF MY DEGREES IN ENGLISH AND FOR TIME CONSTRAINTS I AM ONLY DOING MINOR PROOFREADING.
dlet see post 116. That is what it means
Comment by Steve
Is this the official administration’s position? They came up with this? Please link to it. It doesn’t really define anything anyways. Simple blah, blah, blah. Heh, maybe it is the official administration position.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:11 amDRxJ,
That is not an apology. That is another attempt to pass off his laughable “botched joke” explanation. He says he is “sorry” for botching the joke…He doesn’t apologize to the troops for his insult. Kerry is not going to be able to spin his way out of this one…
November 1st, 2006 at 11:11 amWell Steve and Exley here is your apology:
KERRY: Of course it isn’t what I said. I left out one word, I left out the word us. They got us stuck. Instead of that, I said they got stuck. And they’re taking advantage of it. And here’s what’s wrong.
IMUS: Why not apologize for the misunderstanding?
KERRY: I did, I said it was a botched joke, of course I’m sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes? It’s pretty stupid.
Will this suffice? And Steve I didn’t confuse Stay the Course with anything other then the ignorant sound bites and slogans the flow from this administration like the effluent thru your sewers. Are your denying that this administration has been feeding us “Stay the Course” for the last 3 years? I DEMAND AN APOLOGY for your ignorance and distortion.
Kerry was man enough to apologize, are you?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:13 amThe war is how old? Did you know that 2503 people were murdered in California last year? Maybe we should redeploy to Texas
Comment by Steve
You’ve used that tired canard before. As much as you use it, you must surely have stolen it from someone you consider “smart.” How many were killed in California by car bombs? IEDs? How many were beheaded? Disemboweled? How many whole families machine gunned? Is California headed for partitioning? Civil war? Do we spend 2 billion dollars a week protecting a portion of the country the size of Marin county? Do we torture californians for intelligence? If you are going to steal material, next time, take something more intellectually challenging.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:15 amP.S. Did I say that the military made the G.E.D. exam impossible to flunk???? If I didn’t…..I should have!!!
November 1st, 2006 at 11:16 amThat is not an apology.
Comment by Exley
He said he was sorry ergo apology. If you want to take an opinion on it fine but he did apologize.
Unlike Cheney who would like us to believe when he said he was for dunking detainees that he meant giving them a bath.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:16 amdlet What is it that you would do?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:16 amThe war is how old? Did you know that 2503 people were murdered in California last year? Maybe we should redeploy to Texas
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 11:01 am
Huh, please retire that talking point. They are 2 entirely different things. The 2800+ troops are being ordered to occupy a country and attempt to police a growing civil war of sectarian violence and ethnic cleansing. This has led to a destabilization of the region and is exactly what Osama wanted America to do. The prolonged occupation has also significantly weakened our troops, the infrastructure of the military is slowly being ground to a pulp, and we are now weaker and less able to actually defend this country, let alone launch pre-emptive wars on the whim of a bunch of incompetents.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:17 amdlet What is it that you would do?
Comment by Steve
Ran out of stupid bullets huh Steve?
November 1st, 2006 at 11:18 amStay the Course has been painted by opponents as Make No Changes.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:21 amWhat Stay the Course really is and maybe better stated would be Achieve Our Goals. Obtaining the goals is what is Key. Victory is a must. Again I ask if Iraq was not so important why would terrorist be coming from all around the world to try to derail the democracy?
Dlet nope just asking if what is happiening is so wrong how to you as president make it right? I was raised to not bitch about something unless I have an alternative to it.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:25 amWhat Stay the Course really is and maybe better stated would be Achieve Our Goals. Obtaining the goals is what is Key. Victory is a must.
Comment by Steve
Is ee you had one more bullet.
What are these goals you keep talking about? The ones that would lead us to victory.
And to answer you question. They are ther now because thats where US troops are. They are in a hostile situation that the fighters can exploit and use to their advantage. If we wouldn’t have gone there (illegally) the fighters wouldn’t be there either. They are there because we are there.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:28 amSteve, if this is the case, why are we imposing economic sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Oh, that would be they have oil and own a great deal of the debt of the US, something the Bush crowd was happy to do to give tax breaks during a time of war (another first). The violence in Iraq is fueled primarily by Sunni and Shiites, not foreign terrorists. They are fighting each other for control, and fighting against an occupying force. There have been plans proposed to alleviate the violence, one is to divide the country into 3 parts: Kurd, Sunni and Shiite with regional governments. And pull our troops back. They cannot solve what is a political problem, not a military one. Iraq will not ever know a USA style form of democracy, and one should not have been imposed on them. Once again, this was because Bush went in without even having a clue the tribal differences. He didn’t know there even was a Sunni and Shia difference. To him, they were Iraqis. Just shows that maybe you should first know who you are atttacking and occupying before committing US troops to the mission.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:31 amOK Steve, what the F**k are our goals. That has shifted since the beginning of this. Let’s walk down memory lane. WMD’s, Mushroom cloud, Al Qiada links, Get rid of Saddam, Democratic country, Pro Western Country, stability and now…………
WMD’s none
Mushroom cloud see above
Al Qiada links none
Get Rid of Saddam got a check here.
Democratic country out the window
Pro Western Country see above
Stability not even close.
So what are the latest Goals and how can this slogan be implemented. More troops? more money? At some point in your life you’ll have to take the blinders off and actually look around. To acheive anything close to stability will take determination from the entire country and this administration has failed on selling that idea to the american people.
Hope you enjoy your cruise.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:33 amBecause Osama, Al Qaeda, and numberous other groups with political agendas see a way to exploit the ignorance, arrogance and puppet democracy when have shown in Iraq. The can show the population there that we only want “our type of democracy”. The can show the population there that we value our own lives more than Iraqi or middle eastern lives. We say we came to save them from Sadam, yet we have killed more (indirectly or directly) innocent Iraqi civillians than Sadam ever could have done. We have become the #1 recruiting tool by exploiting the hypocrisy of our rhetoric. It’s like swatting a hornet’s nest and wondering why the hornets are swarming.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:33 am141 should read”why are we NOT imposing economic sanctions on Saudi Arabia?”
November 1st, 2006 at 11:34 amWhy would they come to us if we are hunting them? They can’t withstand a democracy being established in the Middle East. This will give people hope and they will have an alternative to strapping a bomb on.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:34 amThe lack of hope and no personal power is what causes terrorism.
“‘I think we have an administration today that is dysfunctional,’ said neoconservative Richard Perle, a leading proponent for the war in Iraq. ‘And if it can’t get itself together to organize a serious program for finding nuclear material on its way to the United States, then it ought to be replaced by an administration that can.’ But Bush, Perle emphasized, is not to blame.’”
So who is to blame? It’s gotta be somebody’s fault — and Bush, after all, is “The Decider”! Even if it’s proven that this dysfunction is merely the result of appallingly poor judgment rather than intentional duplicity and corruption, this shouldn’t absolve the person or people in question from taking the responsibility and the consequences for screwing up so monumentally.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:35 am#130-Exley- Come on now, you know very well that Kerry never insulted the troops. He was trying to insult GWB, and bungled it. Harp on that, if you must, it’s fair, and factual. Your ploy is so lame, and obvious and wrong. It is beneath you to try to take this any further. I know you’ve got your ‘rep’ to protect, but this is a waste of your time and talent. You can do better.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:36 amWhat is the matter Katy can’t handle a little perspective?
Comment by Steve — November 1, 2006 @ 11:10 am
i tried acid when i was a kid… found out i prefer the real world, much safer… you should try it – the real world that is…
it’s obvious you are a reichwing delusional junkie…
that’s all from me on this…
November 1st, 2006 at 11:37 amSteve, if this is the case, why are we NOT imposing economic sanctions on Saudi Arabia?
Because when we establish a democracy in Iraq that can fend for itsself places like Saudi Arabia will undergo change as well. Arabs love freedom as much as any other peoples do. Have any of you looked at the populations of Arabs in Europe, the US or any other free country in the world? They are growing, why? to escape the oppression of the middle east. Surely liberals do not wish to see any people of the world oppressed. By making Iraq work the arabs can live in freedom in thier own countries. They can choose the direction of thier lives. Why Liberals are opposed to this is stunning. “We don’t want victory in Iraq because we hate Bush” How about thinking of the people and forget the politics??
November 1st, 2006 at 11:51 amThere are two rebellious Arab factions in Iraq:
November 1st, 2006 at 12:07 pmThose who would rather be dead then Sunni, and
those who would rather be dead then Shiite.
Attrition of one or the other is the only guarantee of peace in the area.
The Kurds will take care of themselves.
Bush’s only problem is that, after knocking down a hornet’s nest, he stayed around to admire the results. His old man was a bit smarter.
Steve, Steve, Steve, haven’t you been reading up on our leader. They now don’t believe they can establish a democracy in Iraq and are hoping to just instill some stability so they can leave with dignity. Great concept you got there. How do you make it work? Well first you’d have to eliminate the ones attempting to stop you. You can agree on that can’t you? Well how do we do that? I believe the best way to accomplish that would be to use the Powell doctrine of overwhelming force so we can destroy the enemy quickly and start building a proper infrastructure. Say what? we didn’t do that. That’s right, this administration thought they could do this on the cheap and now we are stuck with a country that resents us.
What’s plan B? There is no way our country will consider sending the troops necessary to accomplish your pipe dream. Won’t happen and you know this. Bush and Co. missed the golden opportunity early on, didn’t understand the enormity of the task and relied too heavily on private contractors to rebuild and we all know how well that’s going. (Betchel).
that’s a load of crap to say anyone doesn’t want victory in Iraq. It’s a bigger load of crap to think this administration knows what to do.
They failed us. They failed the Iraqi people.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:08 pm#128 Peejay
Keep writing if you have more to write. There are two kinds of people on this board – those who want to share, and those who want to fight.
Keep sharing.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:17 pmBecause when we establish a democracy in Iraq that can fend for itsself places like Saudi Arabia will undergo change as well.
Ah the good old reverse domino theory. Didn’t work in Vietnam, won’t work here. The rest of your post Steve was another strawman, which has dried up and blown away.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:57 pm#149
Steve,
The best you can come up with is peace and democracy through war. So uncivilized and short sighted.
Have any of you looked at the populations of Arabs in Europe, the US or any other free country in the world? They are growing, why? to escape the oppression of the middle east.
Have you seen the amount of Iraqis that have been moving to other countries? Do you think they hate the “democracy” that has been insalled there? They are leaving because of the horrendous destruction and danger.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:00 pmThe administration has boxed itself in, painted itself into a corner, and left no viable way out.
November 1st, 2006 at 1:29 pmWhat a pack of incompetent idiots.
Having had no reason to go in, they now can’t figure out a way to get out that doesn’t involve mass slaughter. Maliki’s government is beholden to Shiite radicals, that is what the elections got them. Welcome to the neocon version of what the f*ck did we do? Maliki can’t control the factions that control his base of power.
The Sunni aren’t going to roll over and play dead, they haven’t got a thing to lose.
OK, W, now what? Where’s the plan. You moved several thousand US troops to Baghdad, only to have them stand down at the insistence of Maliki. Now the violence is surging again.
Oh, yeah and who the F*CK could have predicted that
The U.S. Air Force would need a “staggering $50 billion in emergency funding for fiscal 2007″ — an amount equal to nearly half its annual budget — in part to help cover costs for transporting the “growing numbers of U.S. soldiers being killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan.â€
November 1st, 2006 at 1:30 pmThe Republicans are in their last throes, if you will.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:45 pmWhen is Bush going to apologize?
November 1st, 2006 at 2:51 pmWhen is Rummy going to apologize?
When is Cheney going to apologize?
When is anyone in the administration going to apologize?
The only one who ever expressed any regret is Richard Clark.
I am sick and tired of the disgusting repugs in charge of this country who are no better than schoolyard bullies; they are cowards and liars, and too eager to blame anyone and everyone else for their failures. They don’t accept responsibility, and no one holds them accountable. They are no better than slugs, scum, and disgusting slime.
They are eager for the distraction du jour to take the focus off themselves and their rotten and corrupt, and ignorant record.
Richard Perle CANNOT be allowed to escape culpability in the Iraq debacle…
…he was one of the main propagandist cheerleaders leading up to this…
…the GREATEST HEIST of American taxpayer dollars in the history of this republic…
…ACCOUNTABILITY has to be the battle cry of the victimized working poor/middle class American PATRIOTS…
…the right wing CONNEDservatives should be rounded up and rooted out…
…for aiding and abetting TREASON…
…Perle is a war criminal a’ la Josef Goebbels…
…CONFISCATE ALL of their (and ANYONE associated with them) assets…
…then turn them over to the Hague…
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November 1st, 2006 at 5:23 pm#128 PeeJay.. Fascinating and enlightening.. I for one would like to read more.
November 2nd, 2006 at 12:37 amOK, who the flippity flip cares about John Kerry. He’s SO 2004. We’ve got bigger fish to fry here in Denver. This story is ALL over the airwaves – Top evangelical denies gay affair. Peter Boyles spent his entire morning show (Radio 850 KOA) discussing it with the accuser – who appears to be a valid and good source. Ted Haggard controls the minds of up to 30-million evangelical sheeple. He has a weekly conference call with President George W. Bush. Got it, people? This is HUGE. Time to turn the dial.
November 2nd, 2006 at 11:37 amThere’s a new, animated video highlighting George Allen’s racism. It’s called “George Allen Don’t Like Black People,” and it’s set to the tune of “Gold Digger” by Kanye West. It’s hard-hitting, very well done, and pretty funny.
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November 3rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmWho says there is a ‘Plan B’?
December 17th, 2006 at 11:35 pm