Dornan: ‘Loyal’ Christians Should Not ‘Jump Into The Hell Fire Of A Nancy Pelosi Catholic’
Dornan: ‘Loyal’ Christians Should Not ‘Jump Into The Hell Fire Of A Nancy Pelosi Catholic’
Former Rep. Bob Dornan (R-CA) launched a vicious attack on Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), claiming that “loyal catholics” and others who “believe in Christianity” should make sure she stays out of power. The failure to do so would mean jumping “into the hell fire of a Nancy Pelosi Catholic who votes for abortion and rights for perverts.” Watch it:
Actually, it’s Dornan who’s out of touch with Catholics. According to Gallup, 58 percent of American Catholics believe that one can be a good Catholic without obeying the church hierarchy’s teaching regarding abortion — up from 39 percent in 1987. This translates into roughly 38 million out of an estimated 65 million Catholics in America.
Campus Progress has more from Dornan’s appearance.
Transcript:
I think the big unknown in this election is what are Christian — traditional loyal Catholics, traditional loyal Protestants — who believe in Christianity — they must not stay home — they’ll jump from the frying pan of some frustration over Republican hypocrisy into the hell fire of a Nancy Pelosi Catholic who votes for abortion and rights for pervert.
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Perhaps Dornan is a Mark Foley Catholic.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:11 pmIs it ok to stop listening to religious zealots yet?
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:13 pmOh my. I have a feeling this man will find out exactly what hellfire is like. That is if I believed in that sort of thing.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:14 pmI watched that.. He tried to call Pelosi a racist.
Jesus, in this day and age, would (IMHO) urge these people to either stay home or vote (D.)
:::
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:15 pmWhat EXACTLY is hell fire? Is it actually heat and flames or something else like kryptonite radiation?
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:17 pmWhy should we care any more about what this Dornan says than we do about what Tom Delay says? Glad they’re both no longer in our government.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:19 pmBy “perverts” he means a good number of Christian Conservative leaders and members of the GOP.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:20 pmB-1 Bob? I thought we heard the last from you. Didn’t you take the hint when your voters threw you out?
And when is MSNBC going to settle on one logo for the Republican Party? They mix it up every time they put it on the screen. As I understand it (from looking at their web site, though it’s hard to see because it’s really small and in black and white), the elephant does face to the viewer’s right, but the stars are supposed to be pointed downward.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:20 pmggibson: I prefer the term “heckfire.” The other is a little much for my delicate constitution.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:22 pmIs this the way American society is heading now? “God told me we should vote this way”?
Why even vote at all then? Let’s just let whatever deity decide our collective destiny.
Wow. We’ve sure come a long way.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:22 pmThe Republicans are in their last throes, if you will.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:23 pmSo, now it’s Christians fighting other types of Christians.
Whose side is their god on?
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:24 pmOK. So they admit that they are the “frying pan”.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:25 pm“Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side.”
– Celsus (2nd Century C.E.)
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:25 pmWhoa, B-1 Bob Dornan!! Whadda flashback!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:26 pmLet’s just let whatever deity decide our collective destiny.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — November 2, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
Can we pick the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :D
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:27 pmCrom, the gloomy god of Cimmeria, would rip Dornan a new a-hole for being such a pathetic waste of humanity.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:32 pmCan we pick the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :D
Comment by unbelievable
No doubt. Don’t they believe that in their heaven the rivers flow with beer? I’m in.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:32 pmwow wayne… i was just going to ask a.angel about the repug logo on his linked site… it is the original, with the upside down stars…
some months ago, i heard thom hartman talking about those stars… that if you googled “upside down star”, you get sites about pentograms and satan and such… and it’s true…
and i’ve noticed these past few weeks that more and more are using this revised edition – even on olberman, which really disappoints me, but he may not even know the significance…
it is still the original, last i looked, on the gop site…
sorry about the OT…
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:33 pmATTENTION ALL CITIZENS
A madman is loose in California. He goes by the name Bob Dornan.
If you see this man, do not approach him as he is frothing at mouth like a rabbid dog.
If he comes upon you suddenly, use whatever religeous symbol is at hand to keep him at bay. Do not be alarmed if you are an athiest because religeous symbols wuill not harm you.
If no religeous symbols are nearby, use lots of garlic.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:33 pm14 Art!! best yet! nice one.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:34 pmDusting off Doorknob Dornan. Man that’s just dumb. Remember when he pulled an Allen Keyes and moved into another area to attempt and run because he was ousted by the voters from his first residence. This guy used to sit in for Rush L. when he was on his Viagra runs. He didn ‘t just drink the kool aid, it runs from his pores.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:34 pmThe caption says “radio talk show host”??
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:37 pmWhat do you bet he’s on the same frequency as Rush, except his show airs between midnight and 3 AM??
Don’t they believe that in their heaven the rivers flow with beer? I’m in.
Comment by dlet — November 2, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
I think so. And there’s all that pasta beforehand, ‘cept you don’t gain weight because it’s heaven.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:37 pmThese right wing, neocon, greed merchants sure are worried. Dornan is so desperate, he admits to Republican hypocrisy and, simultaneously, identifies Pelosi as a Catholic. So, I say, come on over to the progressive side, all you are disgusted with the Republican hypocrisy. We won’t bite and you can still practice your faith, independent of government, as long as you aren’t forcing it on anyone. We’re tolerant like that.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:37 pmInsane god damne dChristofascists!
These insane god damned Christian terrorists! Not a one of these monsters deserve to live in America.
TREASON! These f*kers need to be dragged out of the United States and be forced to live in Iraq: One Nation Under God.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:41 pmThat’s right!
Dornan has nothing to fear from God and should continue his verbal stoning of Pelosi as he is without sin. God thoroughly approves of Dornan’s war and most certainly wanted those hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children slaughtered in Iraq.
You see, the war with all it’s misery and death is part of “the plan”, a sort of cosmic PNAC God’s got going but abortion isn’t according to high priest Dornan.
Dornan can sleep well tonight.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:43 pmCheck out some songs by little known, but very good California hradcore sensations from the 80s, Dr. Know. They have two songs “God Told Me To” and “Ring of Fire” ( not the Johnny Cash version). They speak volumes about today’s irrationality and just how stupid idiots like B-1 Bob and his minons are….and no, I won’t apologize for calling stupid people stupid.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:44 pmthey’ll jump from the frying pan of some frustration over Republican hypocrisy into the hell fire of a Nancy Pelosi
Translation: I did beat up my mistress but I didn’t choke her -as some lowlifes allege. Vote for me.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:45 pmAnd there’s all that pasta beforehand
Comment by unbelievable — November 2, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
Does this include gnochhi?
Where do I sign up? ;-)
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:46 pmI HATE RELIGION. IT’S THE MOST RETARDED AND DESTRUCTIVE OF HUMAN INVENTIONS.
Comment by TomPaine — November 2, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
It requires people to abandon their self-esteem, because they no longer trust themselves to do good without the threat of eternal damnation or a weekly reminder from someone else who is no better than they are.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:51 pmIronic to the max
What’s ironic about these Christian Christofascists is that they’re all working for a Theofascist dictatorship right here in the United States, one that the Christofascist Bush regime has given them.
And yet they denounce Iran, the very image of a Theofascist State that these Chrostofascists want to replace Democracy with.
Jesus! I could wish that these insane Christian monsters would go off some where and slaughter each other, leaving innocent people — including their own children! — out of their Christanic atrocities.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:52 pmWho the hell does Dornan think he is that he believes he has the authority and the prerogative to tell Catholics — or Christians in general, for that matter — what to think? Is he God? Is he the Pope, a priest, or any other kind of clergy official? And where the hell does he get off sitting in judgment of Pelosi’s soul? She’s not required to answer to him, only too God — and perhaps Dornan could stand to take a closer look into his own soul before he starts making claims about who is and who is not a good Christian. In my experience, people who are quick to judge and condemn others for their supposed lack of upright morals frequently do so because they know their own consciences are far from clean and hope to distract themselves as well as other people from looking too closely.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:52 pmYou see libs, all religions have come to some consensus that America must prevent democrats from winning the House and Senate. We have to rid our country of it’s sinfuls ways.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:53 pmthe hell fire of a Nancy Pelosi Catholic – - I may have to bump Nancy up the Babes in Congress list.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:53 pmDoes this include gnochhi?
Drool… I hope so :)
Where do I sign up? ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — November 2, 2006 @ 3:46 pm
http://www.venganza.org/
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:53 pm‘Loyal’ Christians Should Not ‘Jump Into The Hell Fire Of A Nancy Pelosi Catholic’
No. “Loyal” Christians should come out of the closet and stop beating their wives.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:55 pm“The number of nonreligious people in the US is something nearer to 30 million than 20 million,†he says. “That’s more than all the Jews in the world put together. I think we’re in the same position the gay movement was in a few decades ago. There was a need for people to come out. The more people who came out, the more people had the courage to come out. I think that’s the case with atheists. They are more numerous than anybody realizes.”
—Church of the non-believers
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:56 pmWow, what a life saver B-1 Bob is…. I was on the fence about how to vote, but B-1 Bob made it clear. Never vote Republican again!
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:56 pmActually, Dornan prefers the Christianity of Pastor Ted.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:57 pmWe have to rid our country of it’s sinfuls ways.
Comment by Daryll — November 2, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
If 15% of the people in our country are not religious, yet less than 1% of the people in prison are non-religious, then clearly, it isn’t us who is the cause of all that sin.
Anyone able to direct Daryll to that exhaustive list of republican pedophiles?
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmWe have to rid our country of it’s sinfuls ways.
Damn right — which includes invading innocent countries, raping, torturing, kidnapping, and slaughtering half a million innocent people — half of those children under the age of 16.
Bet this insane Christofascist monster supports, appluads, and defends the mass murdering Christian terrorist in the White House, laughing at the war crimes and crimes against humanity that his fellow Chrostofascist Fuhrer commits against innocent people — all because his Fuhrer is raping, torturing, kidnapping, and slaughtering brown people who worship the “wrong” gods.
God damn these mother f*kers! GOD DAMN THEM!!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmPeople like Dornan who claim to “believe in Christianity” should actually read their Bible and see what Jesus says. I think they’d be in for a huge eye-opening surprise when they find out they disagree and actively go against every teachnig of Jesus’.
Jesus taught peace, tolerance, respect for others, looking after the helpless, and a god that loves and forgives. People like Dornan and the right-wing evangelicals act contrary to every one of these issues.
Frankly, they should be deeply ashamed of themselves and stop their blasphemous behaviour of misinterpreting Jesus’ message to instill fear, anger, hatred, and divisiveness.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:04 pmDaryll
I going to have some tee-shirts made with Dornan’s mug on the front, saying “I came for the Armageddon – and all I got was this lousy quagmire!” — Can I pencil you in for a couple?
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:04 pmall religions have come to some consensus
Comment by Daryll — November 2, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
That’d be a first!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:06 pmSinful ways? Are you talking about Taggert again?
By the way, isn’t Taggert the name of that crazy cowpoke in Blazing Saddles that said
Somebody go get a shitload of Bibles!
barfly –
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:06 pmROFPMP!
“To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 pm– Isaac Asimov
…Never vote Republican again!
Comment by SouthwestBob — November 2, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
it was the clinton witch hunt that did it for me…
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:10 pmand then i remember being a bit disappointed, at first, that libby dole was running for president, cause as much as i wanted a woman president, i knew that she could not be a repug…
actually, i’ve NEVER voted repug…know i never will, ever…
Can I pencil you in for a couple?
Comment by barfly — November 2, 2006 @ 4:04 pm
Damn funny!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:11 pmConsidering how the Catholic Church has been protecting perverts for years, this guy really shouldn’t bring up the two in the same context…
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:12 pmOh No! Bob Dornan is back! He’s as crazy as Pat Robertson, if that is possible. We can blame Orange County for him. Impossible to believe he once held Loretta Sanchez’s office.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:14 pmOh lord I just saw Bob Dornan’s come face I feel like vomitting now. Actually I feel that way anytime I hear or see Dornan.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmIt requires people to abandon their self-esteem, because they no longer trust themselves to do good without the threat of eternal damnation or a weekly reminder from someone else who is no better than they are.
Comment by unbelievable
Not true. SOME people do gravitate to religion because of a lack of self-esteem (or self-control). But religion, per se, does not require it.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmI do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmThomas Jefferson
We do need to rid this country of the fake Christian Republicans, the wolves in sheep’s clothing, the Philistines who “speak of me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.”
Here’s another verse for you, Deryll: Isaiah 10:1-2
“Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.”
Isaiah was scary-right, man.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmi’ve NEVER voted repug…know i never will, ever…
Comment by katy — November 2, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
For me it was Watergate and Nixon. This crowd reminds me a lot of that time. But, these boys have done their homework and laid the groundwork to block public inquiry into their evil and illegal deeds. It will take a new congress to get America back on track.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmNot true. SOME people do gravitate to religion because of a lack of self-esteem (or self-control). But religion, per se, does not require it.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 2, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
It is true. It says that you think that you are incapable of knowing right from wrong without something else telling you. It’s the organized religion part that does require it. Because no person with a healthy self-esteem would ascribe to an ideology that equates women as possessions along with oxen and asses. After all Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, and perhaps the most brilliant American to have existed. He felt the same way about Christianity as I do now, and for most of the same reasons.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmI do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
Thomas Jefferson
Comment by RUCerious — November 2, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
Well that was incredibly prescient : )
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmI have a sister, who is a big fundmentalist christian……the reason she is this way is because of her own guilt (I think she is seeking some kind of atonement). Now she has brainwashed her own children. Her youngest son is on a mission to convert all muslims to christianity. He has a website where he asks for donations to fund his missionary/disciple beliefs. Needless to say I don’t speak with my sister (we are worlds apart), but it makes me angry that because she feels guilt for some 7 abortions…..that she has brainwashed her youngest son in this way. Her oldest son won’t have anything to do with her. If Christianity is so great, then why does it require such brainwashing and why does it splits families up!!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:25 pmWait, you’re saying a conservative leader is out of touch with his constituency? That’s unheard of!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
“traditional loyal Catholics, traditional loyal Protestants “???
Let me get this straight: If I vote Democrat I’m a Disloyal Catholic??
Who made him the Pope???
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmPS I just heard the most wonderful news……My state might turn BLUE YEAH….. Pederson win over KYL in the race for the Senate here in AZ!!! YEEHAW!! PJ dances around the floor.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pmRUCerious
Thomas Jefferson!! Could the U.S. have been any luckier than having this intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate, courageous man on our soil when he was most needed? He was not really an “orthodox Christian”, more of a highly spiritual man who doubted the divinity of Jesus but found the philosophy contained in the words of Jesus in the Bible to be truly enlightened and inspiring. Kind of how I see the philosophy and words of Jefferson himself.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:28 pmIf Christianity is so great, then why does it require such brainwashing and why does it splits families up!!!
Comment by Peejay3306 — November 2, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
Touche!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:29 pmLet me get this straight: If I vote Democrat I’m a Disloyal Catholic??
Comment by S.D. — November 2, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
One of my good friends is a liberal Catholic Democrat, who attends mass weekly. As a form of protest, he stopped going to the cathedral in Atlanta when the Archbishop over the diocese said that a vote for Kerry was unChristian. I mean, come on, the word ‘catholic’ is a synonym of the word ‘liberal’….
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:32 pmI have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
—Thomas Jefferson
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:34 pmunbelievable
I have NEVER experienced any church I have belonged to (which is many because in the 50 plus years of my life I have moved around a lot), that required me to suspend my intelligence or reasoning, taught that I couldn’t know right from wrong without God, or adhered to the woman-as-possessions nonsense. Yes, I know those religious organizations exist. But you are painting ALL of us Christians with one brush, in an intolerant and regressive manner. And no, Jefferson did NOT approach religion in the same way you do, although there are similiarities, he didn’t care what someone else believed as long as they did not restrict his freedom by doing so. You do not make that distinction.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:35 pmSorry to hear that, Peejay. I have those in my family, too. We don’t speak to them either because they’re self righteous, petty, and hateful. They also have amongst them a drug addict, two abortions and numerous affairs.
But seriously, there are some good churches out there full of good people who believe in things like taking care of the poor and each other and aren’t judgemental and aren’t Republican sheep, who practice what Jesus preached. They’re hard to find, though, which is sad.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:36 pmFix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
—Thomas Jefferson
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:37 pmun – Thank you and ditto.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:39 pmIt was your post of Asimov (my hero) that made me think of Jefferson and his wisdom.
And, sadly,
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ”
–Thomas Jefferson
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:40 pmOne of my good friends is a liberal Catholic Democrat Comment by unbelievable
Is this friend incapable of knowing right from wrong with the Catholic Church telling him? Does he ascribe to the belief that women are possessions? Has he abandoned his self-esteem and not trust in himself?
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:40 pmPLC, that required me to suspend my intelligence or reasoning you are fortunate in that respect.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:45 pmWhen my grandmother died I was 17. She had been divorced and remarried multiple times, but she helped raise us kids, and we adored her.
When my dutiful Catholic HS priest told me of her eternal damnation, I bailed on my Catholicism and never looked back (after of course, the remainder of my junior year and my entire senior year arguing and debating every point made by my religion teacher)
anyone know who hosted that segment?
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:45 pmBut you are painting ALL of us Christians with one brush, in an intolerant and regressive manner.
No, I am not. Again, as I mentioned before, I have friends who are Christians. I do not paint them with the same brush. But they are the minority. Like about 10%. What I say applies to the general 90% who are hypocritical and advocate violence, hatred and fear. I have every right to condemn them. And as I have told you repeatedly, I will continue to do so. So, you should skip my posts.
And no, Jefferson did NOT approach religion in the same way you do, although there are similiarities, he didn’t care what someone else believed as long as they did not restrict his freedom by doing so. You do not make that distinction.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 2, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
That is exactly what I believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Christians have oppressed my right to be an Atheist. How open do you suppose I am with that because of what the majority of Christian hypocrites have done or would do to me as a result?
The thing you still don’t get is that the oppressed cannot be oppressors. That the way they break free of their opressors, is by standing up to them and pointing out their hypocrisy. You may not like that, but everytime you attempt to silence my right to do so, you validate everything I claim. Everything.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:47 pm“I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:47 pmthe government of man.” –Thomas Jefferson to Augustus B. Woodward,
1824.
This cook has been around for years,a limbaugh,o’liely want-a-be. He’s a wave the flag,and kill the Democrats kind a guy.
*(and I didn’t swear,but it aint easy lol.)
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:48 pmThis is the guy who in 1992 stayed up all night reading into the Congressional record how Clinton was a KGB agent.
Whatever. Old people shouldn’t smoke crack.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:50 pm.
Unbelievable and RUSerious: great quotes! Very relevant. Thank you.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:52 pmIs this friend incapable of knowing right from wrong with the Catholic Church telling him?
Of course I think that of everyone, but he doesn’t think so. It’s why he’s Catholic, and attends mass. So he can be told.
Does he ascribe to the belief that women are possessions?
Kind of, yes. It’s why we are just friends.
Has he abandoned his self-esteem and not trust in himself?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 2, 2006 @ 4:40 pm
Very much so. He has zero self-esteem, and is routinely a doormat for other people who take advantage of his generosity. It breaks my heart because he thinks it is what his religion expects from him, and refuses to stop being taken advantage of, because he actually thinks those people will be judged by a god… therefore he can’t judge them. It’s terrible. He also tithes, and gives to every person who asks him for money.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:52 pmIt was your post of Asimov (my hero) that made me think of Jefferson and his wisdom.
Comment by RUCerious — November 2, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Today I ‘virtually’ took my classes to DC, and of course it gave me the opportunity to include many TJ quotes. I wish we had more people like him in public office. We wouldn’t be in this current state of decay now if people had his level of integrity.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:55 pm*…uuh… i got sidetracked over to the bradblog…
did you read this letter to stephanie miller?…
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3693
how are we ever gonna heal? …
i haven’t read these comments since the 50s, and even before that the commenting devolved into another kind of hate fest… so sad…
i don’t know who the liberal progressives are anymore either…
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:56 pm.
According to Wikipedia his talk show consists of subbing for Savage once in 2005,and once again this year!He’s right up there with the big boys ,isn’t he!
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:57 pmBluedog – I got just one more!!!
“I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led, and bearding every authority which stood in their way.”
–Thomas Jefferson
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:57 pmAnother right-wing, holier than thou shill who thinks that people will listen to him because he found God. Spare me please.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:57 pmChristian Defense Coalition: Many evangelicals ‘feel used, taken for granted’ by GOP
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:58 pmhttp://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Christian_Defense_Coalition_Many_evangelicals_feel_1101.html
Thanks for some of your comments….about my family situation. Please understand I don’t think all Christians….or for that matter any religion are a particular way or are bad. I think extremist in any religion is a bad thing. I don’t believe that Muslims should be CONVERTED to christianity nor do I believe Muslims should be running around converting Christians. Why can’t people just allow people their own beliefs and respect it at that….perhaps, I am naive, If I have offended anyone with my beliefs,,,,,,please accept my humble apology.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:58 pm(after of course, the remainder of my junior year and my entire senior year arguing and debating every point made by my religion teacher)
Comment by RUCerious — November 2, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
Wow… how’d that go?
One of my student’s told me that a teacher sent a student to the principal’s office for saying that he didn’t believe in god. In the public school system… I can’t imagine what they’d do in the private Catholic schools…. Nuns with rulers?
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:59 pmUnbelievable and RUSerious: great quotes! Very relevant. Thank you.
Comment by Bluedog49 — November 2, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
You’re welcome. Want some Bushisms for contrast? : )
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:01 pmkaty #83- I heard this moron the other morning on the Miller show. I am pretty sure they turned over the letter to the FBI, it certainly appears to be in violation of the law. If he is “sending the letter ” to other folks with the intent that they act on it, isn’t that incitement or some other illegal action?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:03 pmIs there a lawyer in the house>?
You may not like that, but everytime you attempt to silence my right to do so, you validate everything I claim. Everything.
Comment by unbelievable
I am not trying to silence your right to anything, most especially your right to confront hypocrisy and oppression at the hands of any intolerant religion. But, I am on your side with this – which you should be able to see by the posts I have made. What I am requesting is that you find a way to target your anger more specifically and to avoid “friendly fire”. I don’t want to skip your posts because I tend to agree with much of what you say and want to piggy back on it when I can, in a supportive and respectful way. But that’s hard to do with your anti-religious attacks that I sometimes take personally. Yes, I own that and it’s not your responsibility to “protect me” or anything but it sure would be nice and civil if you could meet me part way here.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pmun –
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pmI was a fearless little f()ker. I dished it out as much as they’d let me, which wasn’t much. But I never backed down, and kept questioning, even poor Father Nourie, who could only reply “It must be part of God’s Plan of Salvation”.
OK, sorry, but just one more, with apologies for my propensity to post…
“If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest. ”
–Thomas Jefferson
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:08 pmWhat I am requesting is that you find a way to target your anger more specifically and to avoid “friendly fireâ€.
I’m not that kind of person. I am not afraid of criticism. And I don’t sugar-coat things to appease others. What you are asking is that I be someone else. I don’t want to be. Sorry.
I don’t want to skip your posts because I tend to agree with much of what you say and want to piggy back on it when I can, in a supportive and respectful way.
I appreciate that, and as I’ve told you, it’s not personal.
But that’s hard to do with your anti-religious attacks that I sometimes take personally. Yes, I own that and it’s not your responsibility to “protect me†or anything but it sure would be nice and civil if you could meet me part way here.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 2, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
No offense, but you cannot understand what it is like to be an Atheist unless you are one.
People want to kill us. There is no where to meet them.
The best I can give you is to tell you that it’s not personal against you. My comments are for the 90% who see Christianity as a right to damn, harm or kill others. And in that vein, my comments are and will continue to be directed at those people. They are the ones who chose not to be civil. And I refuse to back down to them.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:15 pmBut I never backed down, and kept questioning, even poor Father Nourie, who could only reply “It must be part of God’s Plan of Salvationâ€.
Comment by RUCerious — November 2, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
That’s hilarious… He thought your were testing his faith. Well, I guess you were… : )
Yeah, I ascribe to the system that if they don’t preach in my classroom, then I won’t lecture about science in their church : )
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:18 pmIdiot. He sounded like a complete tool.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:19 pmCat screaming for food…. will be back later.
Excellent posts all. We shouldn’t be afraid to call these hypocrites out. It’s our tolerance of them that has allowed them to get this far.
Peace
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:23 pmReligion does breed psychosis.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pmPLC, I for one truly appreciate the care and thought you extend to un and the others of us who don’t share your faith.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:25 pmJust thought I’d tell you that. You are, in my experience, in a minority.
But then, there’s not many Christians that I hang around with, especially at the Buddhist temple I attend.
My Jesus is better than your Jesus?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:25 pmThis is why I abstain from all organized religion.
Karl Marx was right: “Religion is the opiate of the masses.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:31 pmEvangelical Christianity violates one of the few bits of wisdom I have gained through my short time here on Earth:
Never trust a man who wears a tie on a Saturday.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:38 pmone of the most important tools for constructive criticism about ANYthing is “the I statement”: “i believe that…”, “i think…”, “i feel this way…”
pass this advice on… it really does work… AND it’s the TRUTH…
either source the information of qualify it by stating it’s opinion…
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:38 pm100 RUCerious
Thank you. Yes, I do think I am in the minority as a Christian, in my experience as well. But, it’s a bigger minority than I thought it was just a few years ago when I got serious about being the “token liberal” in my own church and voiced my views. And you know, I found like minded people and changed the views of others. I think that can happen in a blog or on the street, if we dialogue. Anger and bitterness, as the opposite of peace and contentment, shut down dialogue. All people share common processes (thoughts, emotions, etc), if not content (abuse, oppression), which can unite them and promote understanding. Without that, I could never function as a psychologist and help people with experiences that I have not had – and I have.
I hope that you and everyone else finds their peace and contentment, whether through Buddhism, the Muslim faith, Christianity, or atheism.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:40 pmDidn’t the last pope call GW the anti-Christ?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:42 pmI thought we were fighting the Taliban over there so we wouldn’t have to fight them here.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:44 pmBush surely appealed to Catholics to vote for him in 2000 and 2004. But all those Catholics failed to remember he first went to Oral Roberts University to court their anti-Catholic, anti-black, anti-Jew student body. Well, this Catholic has never forgotten. So I don’t plan to let ANY Republican, Catholic or not, tell ME which candidate to vote for. Whatever happened to the separation of church and state? I am tired of people who try to legislate their religions for all. What I believe is not necessarily what others do. Can’t we all accept that?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:44 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian: “I hope that you and everyone else finds their peace and contentment, whether through Buddhism, the Muslim faith, Christianity, or atheism.”
Now THAT’S a positive christian message. Thank you, PLC, for being an exception to what some of us see as the rule these days.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:53 pm2005 Poll. http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm
“Do you feel like Christianity is under attack in the United States today?”
Yes No Unsure
% % %
59 37 4
The wackos think they are under attack by ’something’ or ’someone’ but no one knows who it is thats making 60% of these people so paranoid…..
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 pmNever fear, prayers from God Central are coming. I just hope Mr. Haggard can get a stream from New York, tomorrow.
http://www.religionnews.com/press02/PR110106B.html
The “24 Hours With the Bible” radio broadcasts are designed to bring the Word of God to life and help promote Bible literacy within the Latino community. Included in the uninterrupted 24 hour program are dramatized recordings of the New Testament, listener call-in segments and inspirational music selections.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:59 pmNot saying he doesn’t have a hotline to God, but he could use the help.
Anais, in 1960, JFK had to go around the country telling rednecks that he wouldn’t take orders from the Vatican. In 2004, a redneck went to the Vatican to specifically ask for assistance from the Pope. Amazing, huh?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:59 pmPeople like Dornan have no more right to speak for others than I do. The man is a has been, a former representative who can’t stay out of the camera range.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:04 pmAs a former catholic, if someone told me how I think, what I think, or what I should think, I would tell him to go to blazes.
When I was young, I recall JFK promising that his religion would not influence his politics – now we have jerks like this using religion as a bludgeon.
Here is an Atheist view on religion and state: The state should avoid having anything to do with it. It should not favour religion, it should not ban religion it should just ignore religion so long as it infringes on nobody’s civil rights.
As an Atheist it is really none of my business what my neighbours believe provided they don’t try to include me in it or demonise me for not believing it. If a kid wants to pray during his lunch time, that is his business – just don’t interrupt classes to do it. Someone wants to wear a burka in the middle of a sweltering summer, hey that is their perrogative, but don’t expect me to do it.
I don’t believe religion should be in schools or the court rooms. Churches of every stripe have Sunday Schools and if you want your kid to learn your religion, that is where to send them. The book of Genesis should not be being taught in biology, in biology lets go with what is currently the world’s best knowledge on the subject and teach evolution, because frankly creationism failed the second man first set foot on the moon.
Now something I have noticed: Basically you have guys who wear ties on Saturdays coming to you telling you to trust them because they believe something improbable. It is not a reasonable grounds to trust anybody, be they someone wanting to sell you swamp land, or wanting you to attempt to bribe the gates of heaven (through them of course) or wanting you to vote for them. It is simply a cheap tactic used by the less then ethical to try and get some common ground with you when they really don’t know the first thing about you and they aren’t interested enough to find out. Funny thing is, they all seem to be conmen and liars.
Dornan, with his vast flash of crosses and threats of hellfire is one of these people. The kind of Christian who has never read Mathew Chapter 6. Don’t trust him, and don’t trust those like him, all they want is what you can give them. They don’t care about your soul, they only care about your bank account, your vote, and your blind following.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:12 pmthought everyone knew this guy was a brain damaged drooler?
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:19 pmhas been since they pulled the plug on reagan
Cause Jesus he knows me, and he knows I’m right.
I been talkin to Jesus all my life.
Phil Collins.
ps the Apes are loose in the lab..and thev’e gone an invented religion!
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:22 pmSee the story below this one. These “christians”are anything but.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:24 pmIf there is a Hell there is surely a special place for them.
As a gay guy, I find the whole ‘perverts’ thing deeply offensive…
I have never had sex- or even near- with a man, and I am happily married to a woman. But the fact is, I have always, and always be, gay. It is nothing (or rather, very little) to do with who I want to have sex with: it is really a question of who you are, and who you perceive yourself to be.
I’m sure someone once said that you don’t try to legislate for what you don’t understand. Or at least, what you know you don’t understand.
Really, where do they get these people from?
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmA politician spewing religion is like a used car salesman spewing guarantees. Neither are worth a damn.
Just ask Kuo.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:36 pmA ha ha ha ha ha. Oh wow. Has anyone ever reflected about whether it would be best to shut down broadcast news before those putrid infectious memes have gotten to all of us? I actually start to believe THEM!! Fear!
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:43 pmGood gracious, i thought the freak was dead. I grew up in LA with his ranting on the radio and TV, long before he became a national figure. He was burning books, playing the racist card during the Watts Riots, advocated the use of institutional violence against any and all war protests, hated all things except when given money to espouse them, and so much more. Why isn’t he dead yet, as old and bilious as he is? A travesty of satan to have left him alive this long.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:47 pmWhat graveyard did they dig this douchebag up from? He is not even a member of Congress anymore.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pmlet me correct the typos, for better understanding:
either source the information OR qualify it by stating that it’s opinion…
Comment by katy — November 2, 2006 @ 5:38 pm
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:58 pmLeader of influential church steps down after allegations from male prostitute.
Can the Bush base say HYPOCRITES??
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:06 pmI can!!
The wackos think they are under attack by ’something’ or ’someone’ but no one knows who it is thats making 60% of these people so paranoid…..
Comment by Dog_named_Boo — November 2, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
I love this quote, because it is especially true in this case(disclaimer: does not apply to PLC who is a rare exception, or those who share his views on religion being a personal and private thing used for love and never for oppression):
“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:42 pm—unknown
I have never had sex- or even near- with a man, and I am happily married to a woman. But the fact is, I have always, and always be, gay.
Comment by Prince Myshkin — November 2, 2006 @ 6:29 pm
I don’t understand. I’ve known many gay men throughout my career, and some have been married to women. But ultimately, they felt that being with anyone but a man wasn’t being true to themselves. Do you think being with a man is some how wrong?
I’m straight. If I instead lived in a culture that despised me being attracted to members of the opposite sex, I really don’t think I could be with a woman. For me, it’s not even a consideration (and I will give the caveat that I wasn’t raised this way, so that does make an impact), and I don’t think I could live what I believed to be a personal untruth.
Not judgment. I think you’re great. Just surprised to hear this as someone who supports a person’s right to be themselves (it’s one of my classroom rules, in fact, that they should be themselves as they are unique and special and there is no one else to have ever lived just like them).
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmdisclaimer: does not apply to PLC who is a rare exception, or those who share his views on religion being a personal and private thing used for love and never for oppression):
Thank you, on behalf of myself and my often invisible and silent society
A simple “this is for the Christian wackos” or something like that would be sufficient, though, since this disclaimer would get REALLY old, worn-out, and burdensome to both of us if used even once more! I like and use “Christian Pharisee”, a symbolic and accurate phrase that the hypocrites can readily understand. Feel free to use liberally, if you wish.
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:01 pmI often wonder what would happen if “we” could get the evangelical right to openly discuss which members of the flock are destined to be welcome in heaven. I guess none of the “Nancy Pelosi Catholics”, that is apparently a given. But what about all the other flavors of Christianity? Would Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and/or others of this ilk agree on which ones are the “right kind of Christian”? Maybe just the Methodists? Baptists? Lutherans? Catholics? Presbiterians? If such discussion did take place, I think many Christians would be surprised at how many of them were excluded from the chosen by at least one of the “Christian Right leaders”.
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:07 pm126,
Firstly, two caveats: (i) I have only just turned 21 (ii) I have been denial since I was 13, and only came out to my parents last weekend. So I’m not exactly the spokesman on gay affairs..!
The reason I am happily married is that we provide each other with what we need: love, security and affection- pretty much unconditionally. While it is true that I don’t feel quite ‘true to myself’, I’m not quite sure what being true to myself would mean. While it is really important for me to self-identify as gay, the whole ’sex with men’ thing is really not at all important.
Hope that clears things up!
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:21 pmFirstly, two caveats: (i) I have only just turned 21 (ii) I have been denial since I was 13, and only came out to my parents last weekend. So I’m not exactly the spokesman on gay affairs..!
That explains a few things. Sorry that you had to be in denial. But, I’m glad you’ve been able to accept yourself. I hope your parents did as well. Know that here, you are accepted. Ignore the retarded trolls who say otherwise. They are just in denial themselves and find solace in pretending to be offended.
The reason I am happily married is that we provide each other with what we need: love, security and affection- pretty much unconditionally.
Does she know?
While it is true that I don’t feel quite ‘true to myself’, I’m not quite sure what being true to myself would mean.
In time, I’m sure you’ll figure it out.
I guess in a similar path, I finally admitted to myself that I was an Atheist about 4 years ago. It was painful, as all of my friends and family were tied to my conservative Christian past, and it meant losing a lot of people who couldn’t deal with it. But it opened my life for a lot of new and accepting people instead. I still generally keep it to myself as I know that being true to myself won’t always make it easier. Why I love it here. Lots of support. I hope you’ll find the same.
While it is really important for me to self-identify as gay, the whole ’sex with men’ thing is really not at all important.
Hope that clears things up!
Comment by Prince Myshkin — November 2, 2006 @ 8:21 pm
I’m not into ’sex’ with men either. But, when you fall in love with someone, then the intimacy of that love makes the physical relationship beautiful and wonderful. It’s no longer ’sex’…
Well, I know this must be a tough time for you, and I wish you the best. You’re very cool and I always enjoy reading your posts.
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:58 pmFeel free to use liberally, if you wish.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 2, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
And if I don’t, then know it is infered. Sometimes, giving that disclaimer makes those I’m debating thing that I’ve just excused them, and I don’t want to give them that out. They are a dangerous bunch who needs to be confronted and called out. Know, it’s not about you. And that I’m addressing people like Dornan, Daryll, and their ilk.
Though, I do have some personal issues with the organized religious aspects of Christianity – especially the parts that degrade women, hurt children, and mistreat animals. It goes against my personal ideology, and I cannot condone any philosophy that tolerates, much less encourages it. I don’t know how you rationalize those aspects of it, but to me, Christianity as an organized religion is NOT Christianity. Jesus would NOT approve of the way these people use his name to justify their immoral and degrading behavior. Just wanted to make that distinction for when I bash the religion part of it, because I will. I’m not looking to find a compromise with it. I want it removed from my life, and will fight to make that happen.
November 2nd, 2006 at 9:06 pm#114 BG
November 2nd, 2006 at 10:51 pmI am with you all the way.
TP,
Whoever does your screen captures ought to get a raise.
November 2nd, 2006 at 10:59 pmDidn’t Dornan ever let go of the fact that a woman, a hispanic woman, Loretta Sanchez whipped his ass a couple of elections ago? Sometimes it is very hard for reighwingnut hypocrites to realize it is over for them.
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:37 amDornan is most likely a closeted hypocrite homosexual like Haggard!
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:55 amIs Dornan addressing racist Catholics, adulterous Catholics, homophobic Catholics or pedophile Catholics? There seems to be only a few kinds.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:33 amDamn. I had sohoped that I had somehow missed Dornan’s obituary.
November 4th, 2006 at 1:02 amSaying you are a Catholic and not subscribing to the tenents of the faith makes you a Catholic just like agreeing with everything Limbaugh says means you are an enlightened, vegan, Kumbaya singing progressive who singly is smarter than every conservative since the first knuckle dragging Neanderthal. Come on folks, lighten up and give the Golden Rule a chance. It doesn’t hurt, really. And yes, I am an imperfect catholic, but i’m trying.
November 16th, 2006 at 5:48 pm“Actually, it’s Dornan who’s out of touch with Catholics. According to Gallup, 58 percent of American Catholics believe that one can be a good Catholic without obeying the church hierarchy’s teaching regarding abortion — up from 39 percent in 1987.” — Judd
**********Here’s the problem for Speakette Pelosi – the Catholic Church is not a democratic institution. They do not rely on Gallup to see how to make cafeteria Catholics “feel” better about their choices. In short, it doesn’t matter WHAT Nancy Pelosi or 58% of American Catholics FEEL is the correct Catholic policy to maintain their standing as “good Catholics”. IF one is pro-choice – one is not a “good Catholic”.
You might love the lessons, inspirational sermons and music – but you are not practicing a tenet of the Catholic faith. As I explained to a nice Unitarian Universalist neighbour, religion is a set of rules you choose to live by. If a “cradle Catholic” or convert does not like the Churches’ edict on abortion, they are free to join other groups which are more in keeping with their beliefs.
Happy Thanksgiving……
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:12 amMajority vote has nothing to do with authoritive teaching? A person has a right to express their opinion but unless its backed up with valid information it remains useless.
Tell me Judd, what would you stand up for to the whole world and and declare and aboslute?
December 27th, 2006 at 12:28 pm