REPORT: Major Right-Wing Evangelical Leader Accused Of 3-Year Relationship With Male Prostitute
REPORT: Major Right-Wing Evangelical Leader Accused Of 3-Year Relationship With Male Prostitute
A male prostitute alleges that he had a three-year relationship with prominent right-wing evangelical leader Ted Haggard, who has said that homosexuality is a “sin” and “devastating for the children of our nation and for the future of Western civilization.” Haggard denies the allegation.
Haggard is president of the National Association of Evangelicals, representing more than 30 million conservative Christians. Time Magazine ranked him as one of the 25 most influential evangelicals and Harper’s contributing editor Jeff Sharlet noted, “No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted.”
Every Monday, Haggard participates in a conference call with members of the Bush administration. He has stated, “I’m a right-wing religious conservative. … I joke that the only disagreement I have with George Bush is on what type of truck to drive.”
Haggard’s accuser, Mike Jones, says “he has recorded voicemails and a letter from Haggard, and that he had also witnessed Haggard use methamphetamine.”
AMERICABlog has more.
Full transcript below:
ANCHOR: A gay man makes a stunning accusation against the leader of one of Colorado’s most popular mega-churches, Ted Haggard, one of the best known evangelical pastors in the country. A gay man in Denver claims he’s had a three year sexual business relationship with Haggard. The pastor has told us just a few moments ago that he has prepared for his own church to investigate the claims.
Haggard is the founder and senior leader of the 14,000 member New Life church in Colorado Springs. He is also the president of the multi-million member National Association of Evangelicals. Haggard is married and has five children. Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9News two months ago claiming that Haggard does not practice what he preaches. He tells 9News that pastor Ted Haggard has been paying him for sex for the last three years. Jones went public about their alleged relation this morning on talk radio.
JONES: Some may look at me and what I’ve done as immoral but I think I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who is preaching one thing but doing the opposite behind everybody’s back.
ANCHOR: This evening we spoke with pastor Haggard outside of his home in Colorado Springs.
HAGGARD: I’ve never had a gay relationship with anybody and, uh, I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife. So, I don’t know if this is election year politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it is. But I’m not even the guy who will investigate it or question it, I don’t know what the dynamics are. This independent group will come in and do that.
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November 2nd, 2006 at 1:23 pmCould that male prostitue be Jeff Gannon/John Guckert?
Inquiring minds want to know.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:24 pmRepublican “Family Values” are wonderful.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:24 pmYou have to know that those squeeky clean religious zealots are really very kinky.
Just look at Emperor George and his relationship with Jeff Gannon!
So… how do gay relationships damage our children and families? As if it were an important issue, right?
ReichWingNutWackJobs have sure stepped in it again!!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:24 pmIf I may quote one of the Presidents admired people.
“Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.”
-Gomer Pyle
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmoverly friendly? for money….wow. God will forgive him..no big deal?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmI can hear the repub. responce now….ekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
Yeah Yeah… another sexual allegation. Big woop! This guy SAYS he has evidence. Let’s hear the tapes and see any of the evidence and have a forensic team go over it. Then get back to me. There are more important things than another hippocritical Republican to worry about.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:26 pmthis is off topic but would like to mention bush is in montana campaigning for burns. as i speak. this race is getting close and wouldn’t be surprised if burns wins in a state that bleeds red.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:27 pmOh now there’s a shock. Who would have ever thought that yet another gay-bashing, right-wing bible-thumper would get exposed as being a homosexual himself? And one that frequents gay prostitutes on top of that?
Are you starting to see a pattern, yet, righties? The more you try to convince the world that you think homosexuality is an abomination, the more likely it is that you’re a closet queen. Why don’t you all just come out of the closet now and quit pretending? We’ll find out about it eventually anyway.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmWell, duh! Everyone knows that gay sex with prostitutes is much, much better when your high on meth! Please people, let’s get back to Kerry’s botched joke — that is so much more important than a stunning example of rightwing christian taliban hypocrisy…
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmHe’s PRESIDENT of a group representing 30,000,000 Conservatives?!? Holy cr*p.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmYeah Yeah… another sexual allegation. Big woop! This guy SAYS he has evidence. Let’s hear the tapes and see any of the evidence and have a forensic team go over it. Then get back to me. There are more important things than another hippocritical Republican to worry about.
Comment by Swordsbane
Ya like forensic teams going over 911.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:31 pmThis is pretty responsible. A male prostitute is accusing this pastor 5 days before the election that they had gay sex and the pastor takes drugs. He says he has letters and recorded messages.
Okay, TP, post this. I am accusing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid of satanic cult membership and human sacrifice. I know it is only 5 days until the election, but I thought it was important to get this message out. I know it happened because, I was there. I have video tape of the human sacrifice, a picture of Nancy and Harry trading shots of the deceased humans blood, and a recorded acknowledgement from Satan, that he can’t wait for liberals to take back power so he can further his agenda.
Seeing that you are willing to post this male prostitutes accusation, I’m sure you will have no trouble posting mine. Thank you, TP.
P.S. Satan says ‘hello’ and says ‘keep up the good work!’
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pmNovember 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pm
this will never end. pedaphilia runs amock in the christian world. and how do lyou think the members of skull and bones say it is a secret. folks this is their tool for hush it up.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pmBut of course it’s same-sex marriage, as in “monogamous relationship”, that threatens the institute of marriage, not having affairs with gay prostitues.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:35 pmYes, he presides ove the amazingly sheepy 32-34% who love Bush.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmI have in my possession a list of 100 “evangelicals” who also have had relationships with prostitutes, both male, female, transgendered, and transsexual (trannies). Some of them are Communists too.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:37 pm#14 paul
Do you have letters and recorded messages?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:37 pmand why homosexuality is a topic for discussion is because the righties are running on ‘ethics’/'family values’. the very people who are demonizing the gay community are coming out like roaches. get the spray (rid)folks and buckets to catch em. then again you might need vats.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmI wonder how throughly the News Station checked into this?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmSeriously, if this allegation is true, it is testament to how the soul-killing, non-Christian hypocrisy that these right wingers impose on themselves creates a darkness that leads to unhealthy behavior. This minister had to use methamphetamine to free himself from the overbearing oppression of his religious cult.
You can’t keep up the hate and the suppression of your deepest self and expect to function in a normal and healty manner. And it’s not just with homosexuality–for example, look at the crap that spews from Rush Limbaughs mouth every day, and we wonder why he had to self medicate with over doses of Oxycontin to stop his own conscience from speaking to him? If I lived a life that was a lie, I would want to be on drugs too. I expect to hear Ann Coulter has checked into a rehab center anyday….
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmTed ‘tushy pusher’ Haggard
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmAnother October gift (2 days late). And see:
http://littlegreenfascists.blogspot.com/2006/11/not-gay.html
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmOMG! Oh the hypocrisy the beautiful, glorious hypocrisy. Although it shouldn’t suprise me, it absolutely does if only for the fact that it’s so stereotypical, I mean holy crap!
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmI don’t believe it. The gay male is just attempting to attack Christians. Mr. Hagaard is a God fearing man. Just another ploy created by liberals, but Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:42 pmI’m sorry, but this isn’t news. He’s a homophobic evangelical, the gayest people on earth.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:43 pm.
Paul, it’s simple. This male prostitute has more credibility than you.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/us/02arza.html
another republican caught on tape using a racial slur…shocking.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmpaul -
take your “proof” to the networks, don’t forget to include your name, address and phone number. good luck!
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:45 pmPaul: “P.S. Satan says ‘hello’ and says ‘keep up the good work!’”
So, now Paul admits that he has a personal relationship with Satan. Great Paul. Heckofa job!
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:46 pmTweeker Ted…..God bless your sorry ass.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:46 pmOMG! Oh the hypocrisy the beautiful, glorious hypocrisy. Although it shouldn’t suprise me, it absolutely does if only for the fact that it’s so stereotypical, I mean holy crap!
Comment by Fascism+American+Style
I grew up in Kokomo, IN … I went to three churchs as a kid. ALL three churches split because of the preacher and or his wife having sex with people in the sheeple crowd… between fits of talking in tongues via “god” and asking people to give to god and he will give to them …
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:47 pmHey dumby, this guy and the news station have been working together for 2 months. Do you think the news station would run with this story if they have had 2 months to research if this guys was full of shit?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:47 pmP.S. Satan says ‘hello’ and says ‘keep up the good work!’ — paul
You got the wrong url, paul. PowerLine’s cite is powerlineblog.com.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:48 pmThey spent 2 months researching it.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:48 pmDaryll claims to know exactly what Jesus wants. In Jesus’ time, he might have been executed for saying that.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:49 pmGrand+Moff+Texan, please rescind your comment. The majority of the evangelicals are God fearing people. We love the Lord, and adhere to his laws. It’s just another ploy created by Liberals.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:49 pmlink
Pastor Ted soon began upsetting the devil’s plans. He staked out gay bars, inviting men to come to his church
Yes. I don’t doubt that for a second.
Once Pastor Ted and another missionary accidentally set off an alarm and hid together in a field while the police investigated.
Gay sex so hawt it sets off alarms. Nice.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:49 pm.
#14 I’d rather be a Satanist than a White Trash ,Homosexual, Whoremonger, Dopefiend, Hypocrite, Republican Evangelical. Heh! Oh…hail Satan!
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:50 pm“The gay male is just attempting to attack Christians”
Attempting?
“..but Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006.”
Is he running as a librul Dem or full of hypocrisy regressive Repuplican. Maybe he could have a talk with Duhbya and make everything just peachy keen.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmFor not being gay, he looked awfully gay on that clip.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmbusted… give it up Mary, you done been caught with your britches down…
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmpaul, this is the work of libs to try to divert non-partisan voters over to their party, but it will not work.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pm#20. chimpeach. I have letters and recordings and am willing to take a lie-detector test.
During the test, I am also willing to testify that Liberals are so bereft of ideas that they are willing to post the the accusation of a sole prostitute, that has provided no evidence, to besmearch opponents in a desparate attempt to regain power for libs.
If TP can continue to post like items for the next 5 days, perhaps no one here will notice that Democrats have no plan for Iraq, want to raise taxes, are more interested in focusing on impeachment and war crimes tribunals than addressing real problems the country faces. The sheep here at TP will buy it, but, thinking voters will see it as further proof that Liberals don’t deserve power.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:53 pmThe majority of the evangelicals are God fearing people.
Yes, I know. I’m married to one and she, like me, has no patience for hypocrites who preach what Christ never did and who ignore His actual ministry while on earth. They can babble about faith all they want, but they lie and the truth is not in them.
So, I was talking about phony-faith homophobes, people with a mental illness and in deep denial about their sexuality. Have you seen their hair? They’re practically bursting with fruit flavor.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:54 pm.
#27 – … Just another ploy created by liberals, but Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006.
I’m sure He will. Jesus was a liberal.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmPaul,
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmI think I know where you are going here, this male prostitute is part of a sting operation trying to get Evangelical gay haters to show who they really are, so Jones the prostitute has sex with Haggard 2 yrs. ago only to spring it on the public close to election day. That’s totally plausible to me.
Daryll: “Grand+Moff+Texan, please rescind your comment.”
Now, that is really funny. Daryll, I don’t think the Texan takes orders from you. Feeling a little full of yourself, aren’t you. Most intelligent people know that when a guy is just nuts about gays, he’s probably gay himself. Are you really upset about gays Daryll?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmDaryll # 27
The Good Lord will prevail on Nov. 7 and HE will re-establish justice, tolerance of fellow men, integrity and the rule of law by getting rid of the torture-loving, 665,000 innocent civilian killing, domestic-spying, free-speech destroying, Constitution-trampling GOP/Neo-con evils.
BTW does anyone know when the news will break that Rush “Rusty” Limpballs is having a gay relationship?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pm#27 Daryll
I don’t believe it. The gay male is just attempting to attack Christians. Mr. Hagaard is a God fearing man. Just another ploy created by liberals, but Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006.
It’s entirely possible that it’s not true. But he claims to have some solid evidence. What will it mean to you if it is true? Will it change your opinion of him?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmEh, seems dubious.
But we’ll see. At this point getting excited about it would be as disingenuous as the right’s response to Kerry’s comments.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmAlso, #27, if Jesus’ will prevails on November 7th, none of the R’s or D’s will be elected.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pmpoor Daryll, what a sucker.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pmPaul: “The sheep here at TP will buy it”
Hey Paul, sheep run in flocks. You are evidently part of a flock, so you’re the sheep. And, since you think liberals don’t have a plan in Iraq, please tell us the conservative plan.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pmDaryll
Hypocritical “Christian Pharisees” are God-fearing (and they should be). True followers of Christ are God-loving.
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:59 pmNo, the religious right will simply rationalize it away in some manner. Perhaps it’s somehow Bill Clinton’s fault?
November 2nd, 2006 at 1:59 pm#46 paul
You probably don’t want to use so many words, paul. You’re going to be munching on them for a lo-o-o-o-o-ng time.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmDaryll: Sounds to me like it’s the work of Ted Haggard and his naughty bits.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmIf TP can continue to post like items for the next 5 days, perhaps no one here will notice that Democrats have no plan for Iraq, want to raise taxes, are more interested in focusing on impeachment and war crimes tribunals than addressing real problems the country faces. The sheep here at TP will buy it, but, thinking voters will see it as further proof that Liberals don’t deserve power.
Comment by paul
1) Democrats dont have a plan for Iraq? Yes they do. Their plan for solving terrorism is what I have not heard.
2) I am one of those people that get 10s of thousands of dollars taken out each year for taxes… I am not bitching about it except when it is used to pay for illegal wars. And the tax cuts I got from the republicans was no where NEAR as good as the people who make more than I do have got. And yet I see the people that make less than me still struggling like always. Quit being greedy or a fool.
3) America seemed to be really focused on War Crimes after WWII. The law is the law. What is right is right. And what is wrong is wrong. Otherwise what is the point in having laws at all? Waging illegal war is a big problem. Though making sure that we are taxing as much as we are spending is also very important as is making sure social security remains secure.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmThe sheep here at TP will buy it
Comment by paul — November 2, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
Hey Paul, I know you haven’t noticed but -the original report was done by 9News from Denver, CO. Prehaps you want to take it up with them.
I also know you think most ThinkProgress readers get their news from this site only. You’re wrong. Not tot mention this is all over the news now.
What a simpleton you are.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:04 pmTheir plan for solving terrorism is what I have not heard.
They did all right until Bush shut it down. I imagine we’ll go back to what worked before Bush gave us 9/11.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:05 pm.
paul: you’re doing a great job of just making stuff up about the Democrats’ plans when they take over. Bush STILL has no plan for Iraq, but the Democrats have a plan, and a plan to defeat terrorism — which does not include sitting on your butt for seven minutes after hearing “the country is under attack.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmThese days a conservative, born-again christian is, by definition, a simpleton.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmThank God good evangelicals are continuing the work of Jesus by defending warmongering torturers, demanding tax cuts for the moneychangers, and throwing stones at society’s outcasts!
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmTell me the ‘plan’ for IRAQ Paul. I want to hear one GrOPe that can actually tell me the plan, so far none can.
Elaborate on this ‘Course’ Paul.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:07 pmOh, it’s GOT to be the drugs. Check this out [ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061102/ap_on_re_as/afghan_drugs ]:
Afghan farmers now planting opium poppies will probably reap a harvest comparable to this year’s record crop, in part because insurgents control wide swaths of the south, preventing effective counter-narcotics work, officials said Thursday…
Drug production has skyrocketed since a U.S.-led offensive toppled the Taliban regime five years ago for giving refuge to
Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida camps. Last spring’s poppy harvest accounted for 92 percent of the global opium supply and was enough to make 610 tons of heroin — more than all the world’s addicts consume in a year.
Police and government officials are deeply implicated in the trade, which adds to the corruption and lawlessness threatening
Afghanistan’s fledgling democracy. Taliban militiamen had all but eradicated opium cultivation by 2000 but now profit from it, protecting poppy farmers.
Deteriorating security in the countryside makes it difficult to monitor how much poppy has been planted, the U.S. official said. Taliban-led militants have increased attacks this year, particularly in Afghanistan’s southern opium heartland…
Yes siree! Republicans are all about family values and keeping the non-christian wolves at bay.
NOT!!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:08 pmwho the hell else would do sex with an “evangelical leader” but a prostitute?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:08 pmI mean, after all, what would be the point except money? It is just like the religion business, what would be the point except money?
wait a minute, they are the same business. guess they always have been.
So a very religious man who hates gay people, ends up being a gay himself? It really shocks me.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:10 pmTheir plan for solving terrorism is what I have not heard.
They did all right until Bush shut it down. I imagine we’ll go back to what worked before Bush gave us 9/11.
.
Comment by Grand+Moff+Texan
That might be… though I would like to see a longer term goal… what stoped Christian terrorism? The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. I think other countries with the same problem should be educated to what it means to be part of the modern world where religion AND the rights of individuals are protected equally. I cant see how terrorism can thrive in a world like that… just look at America .. we the people rarely ever do any terrorism. A few religious crazies here and there do stuff in America but there sure are not hundreds of thousands of them ready to strap on bombs…
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:11 pmAnother scandal of the “Part of Moral Values”.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:11 pmI think what paul is trying to say is that it’s a liberal plot when a TV station doesn’t help keep a secret for the Republicans or religious conservatives at least until after the election to help Republicans win.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:13 pmpaul, no proof, no story… bye!
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmI have nothing to say…
BBBWWWAAAWAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Sorry, that just slipped out.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmHey! Look at this. ReichWingNuts are fleeing their own party!!!
[ http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061102/pl_nm/usa_elections_kansas_dc ]
MISSION, Kansas (Reuters)- Former Kansas legislator David Adkins may be a self-described “washed-up white male Republican politician,” but come election night he and many others in the longtime Republican stronghold state of Kansas are placing their hopes, and votes, on Democrats.
A mini-rebellion is under way in an American Heartland state so historically unswingable that neither national party typically spends much time or energy stumping for candidates.
But this year
President George W. Bush, the country’s leading Republican, is making a last-minute campaign stop in Kansas, where at least nine candidates running on the November 7 ballot are Republicans-turned-Democrats. They include a veteran county prosecutor seeking to unseat the Republican attorney general and a former state Republican Party chairman running as the Democratic candidate for lieutenant governor…
If the ReichWing Party is so good, so decent, so strong, why are people suddenly becoming Democrats? I would sure like to hear from those waterboard supporting compassionate christians about this!
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:16 pmDaryll, you sure seem to be hung up on homosexuality. It’s a theme that comes up fairly often in your posts. Haggard seems to talk about it a lot too, hmmmmmmm…….
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:16 pmCompletely shocking, 100% on topic:
Deliver Us From Evil
Do NOT miss this movie.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:16 pm#56. Bluedog49.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmI can tell you what I’ve heard from both parties. The Republicans plan to stay committed until there is a secure and free Iraq, no matter how long it takes. I can also say that Democratic statements on what to do in Iraq range from bring the troops home now, to begin a gradual withdrawl, to redeploy the troops to Okinawa, to now that we’re in Iraq lets commit the number of troops we need to win. No one here is able or willing to address that question, which leads me to believe that liberals (despite all their complaining) don’t have better answers. It is a pretty simple question, you’ve had 3 years to prepare. What do Democrats plan to do?
1) on topic – am i the only person who’s not surprised at all at this?
2) “solve terrorism” wtf does that mean? that’s like challenging someone or some group to present their “plan to solve war” no one’s ever going to “solve” either one, dummy. no one’s going to “solve poverty” or “solve ignorance” either. what a specious, empty-headed line of thinking. what a useless rhetorical canard, like wielding a cornstalk in a saber duel.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmJust another ploy created by liberals, but Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006.
Comment by Daryll — November 2, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
And you are just another morally corrupt hypocrite who shamelessly prostitutes his religion for political gain.
Do you really think your god is so petty as to occupy himself with the cesspool the world of politics has become? Does your god talk to you and direct you to vote for this or that candidate? Really?
Who would Jesus vote for, Daryll? The lying warmongers? The corrupt, minor-stalking politicians? The torture advocates? Do you really think that?
You are every bit as morally bankrupt as the people you support.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmSorry for the re-post, but I think this needs repeating:
Paul: “P.S. Satan says ‘hello’ and says ‘keep up the good work!’â€
Paul, who claims to be a devout christian, has a personal relationship with Satan. Wow, Paul, I don’t think you should have let that out of the bag.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmDaryll believes that “false prophets” pertain to over-reported income.
Paul doesn’t understand that making baseless accusations with malicious intent is “slander” and that when such is published it creates a situation of “libel”. There are laws that deal with this but that would require Paul to read, which it would appear is something that she/he is reluctant or unable to do.
But, hey, blowing a poorly delivered quip by mr. kerry completely out of proportion and context so as to convert it into an issue through deception is just dandy. The irony is laughable.
Peace.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmA few religious crazies here and there do stuff in America but there sure are not hundreds of thousands of them ready to strap on bombs…
Comment by ggibson
You mean like the 12,000 dead US people each year by guns? Or the country with the highest number of hate groups? Dead penalty? 180 Occupations and landings? 2 nuclear bombs over civilians? Most polluting country per capita? Yeah, buddy. Whatever you say. Keep on watching the Nascar series.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmdoes Haggard have a haggard explanation for this? too bad he’s not running for anything…
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pm#68
Oh, it’s GOT to be the drugs.
First comes the denial. Next we’ll have his attorney come forward and announce that Pastor Ted will be entering rehab and we should all pray for him blah-blah-blah. Any bets on him claiming he was molested as a child?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmone thing at time paul… first you have to present your case against harry and nancy then you can tackle the tough questions about iraq… ok?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:20 pmPaul: “No one here is able or willing to address that question, which leads me to believe that liberals (despite all their complaining) don’t have better answers. It is a pretty simple question, you’ve had 3 years to prepare. What do Democrats plan to do?”
Paul, I have yet to see any conservative in these discussions or arguments acknowledge what our own intelligence services and State Department has recently revealed: that the war in Iraq adds to the number of terrorists in the world and in doing so, is not helping the “war on terror.” What most Dems want to do is gradually withdraw from Iraq so that we can concentrate on homeland security and Afganistan. Bush’s war of choice in Iraq has made the world less safe, not safer.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:20 pmI can tell you what I’ve heard from both parties. The Republicans plan to stay committed until there is a secure and free Iraq, no matter how long it takes. I can also say that Democratic statements on what to do in Iraq range from bring the troops home now, to begin a gradual withdrawl, to redeploy the troops to Okinawa, to now that we’re in Iraq lets commit the number of troops we need to win. No one here is able or willing to address that question, which leads me to believe that liberals (despite all their complaining) don’t have better answers. It is a pretty simple question, you’ve had 3 years to prepare. What do Democrats plan to do?
Comment by paul
Have YOU ever drew up detailed plans for a job you dont have yet?
If the democrats are wise like some of our past presidents what will happen is the new president will ask all the smartest people he can get his hands on from all parties and ask them to give him their best ideas and together they will hash out a plan based on the facts presented at that meeting… not just some slogan they come up with to win an election.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmDearest Daryll
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmIt’s ok if the evidence such as voice mails and other documents show this hypocrite to be gay, because you and your Xian buds are experts at denying facts.
No problem.
In her first 100 hours as Majority Leader, one of Pelosi’s highest priorities is to enact legislation which implements the suggestions of the 9-11 commission. Does that qualify as at least part of a plan, Paul?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:22 pm2) “solve terrorism†wtf does that mean? that’s like challenging someone or some group to present their “plan to solve war†no one’s ever going to “solve†either one, dummy. no one’s going to “solve poverty†or “solve ignorance†either. what a specious, empty-headed line of thinking. what a useless rhetorical canard, like wielding a cornstalk in a saber duel.
Comment by tom+baker
America SOLVED the christian witch hunts and burning people to the stake and catholic/prodestant mass murders … they SEPERATED CHURCH AND STATE… problem solved… not a single religious war or witch hunt since. They created the U.S. Consitution and declared that people have rights that no church or politician can take away. No more religious people declaring god told them to kill all the none believers.
It is possible again.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:24 pmBut, hey, blowing a poorly delivered quip by mr. kerry completely out of proportion and context so as to convert it into an issue through deception is just dandy. The irony is laughable.
Peace.
Comment by Humanist
That is called “Bearing false witness”
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:25 pmBluedog. ‘Paul, who claims to be a devout christian’
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:25 pmUnlike the Democrat party, Republicans are not monolithic and misinformed. Although I respect my conservative religious brothers, I am an agnostic. Bluedog, you are not a bad person, just misinformed.
You mean like the 12,000 dead US people each year by guns? Or the country with the highest number of hate groups? Dead penalty? 180 Occupations and landings? 2 nuclear bombs over civilians? Most polluting country per capita? Yeah, buddy. Whatever you say. Keep on watching the Nascar series.
Comment by Juan+C
And not a single one of those things has ANYTHING to do with religion. Maybe you should think a little before hitting those keys. I have made it abuntly clear that I am no rightwinger… but people like you shows that the right has no monopoly on stupid.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:27 pmDaryll & paul,
Have you considered that this might just be part of God’s plan? Maybe He’s the one trying to influence the elections. He’s probably had enough of all the lying and cheating and killing in His name. Maybe He’s fed up with the arrogance of Bush going around telling people that God wanted him to do this and God wanted him to do that. And I’ll bet He’s especially fed up with all the so-called Christians out there who have strayed from the flock and actually begun to worship Bush. Think about it.
Maybe it’s time for another burning bush.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:28 pmThe sh*it keeps hitting the fan endlessly . This one is a corker .May be this angelic far right christians will stay home on Nov. 7th , with total disgust and the feelings they have been taken in by a monumental CON .
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmRepublicans are not monolithic and misinformed.
They just protect pedophiles and support illegal wars.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmPaul: “P.S. Satan says ‘hello’ and says ‘keep up the good work!’”
Memo to Paul: Agnostics don’t believe in Satan.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmThe Republicans plan to stay committed until there is a secure and free Iraq, no matter how long it takes.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:30 pmPaul
Long after I’m dead, I’ll wake up one morning in hell and there’ll be ice everywhere.
Iraq! secure and free at last!
JesusChrist_GodOfWAR, Jesus wasn’t a liberal. He didn’t condone killing a living organism at the pre-infancy stage because of lack of sexual responsibility (abortion), or to put an illness in remission (embryonic stem cell research), homosexuals, breaking government laws (illegal immigration), etc. Do these ideals sound familar to you? Of course they do, these are ideals that libs want to instill into our society, but Jesus said no to all of these ideals (biblical law). Anyway, don’t you find it quaint that this unrighteous heathen decide to make these accusations against Pastor Haggard five days prior to the Mid-term election. I do.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:30 pmggibson,
That’s the irony, among many of course. Shall we address “thou shall not kill” next?
May peace be with us all.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:30 pmI bet Daryll’s having a bad day. His religious leaders are boinking male whores and one of his only friends here, Paul, has just admitted to being an “agnostic.” Daryll, I think it’s time for you to go into a dark room, get down on your knees and start talking to yourself.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:31 pmPaul, I’ll ask you. What do you mean by win? What is “winning in Iraq” really mean?
The DNC website, this website, Murtha’s website and others have specific plans on what the Democrats want to see happen with Iraq but I’m really curious to see what you mean by “Win in Iraq”
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:32 pm89 ggibson
Well said. Further, plans must be flexible in order to respond to the situation at the time. Democrats could have developed a plan three years ago and if they had stuck with it until now would have shown the same idiotic “stay the course” mentality as the current administration.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:33 pmThere once was a pastor named Ted,
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:34 pmWho was caught with a man in his bed.
He ran to his closet,
To make a deposit,
But came out with Ken Mehlman instead.
And not a single one of those things has ANYTHING to do with religion.
Comment by ggibson
hate groups: most of them are supported by extreme religious beliefs.
guns: NRA armed branch of KKK, an extreme fanatical religious group.
abortion: religious ideas about birth and freedom of choice.
wars: President that speaks with God. God bless America (not the whole world, but America), Manifest Destiny, etc…
No religious ideas there, right?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmAnd this helps the war on terror how? This protects Americans how? What does Iraq have to do with the GLobal War on Terror? Why did we topple a sectarian dictator so that a Shiite constitution and leader could be insatlled? Does this means that we side with the Shiites in the GWoT? Why would we side with the Shiites when it helps the Iranians and Taliban?
Why does America hate protecting America?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmIf this guy is smart, he will have had pictures or video, and once the dumb-ass closet case committed himself to “never” having done that, all that’s necessary is for just one of them to appear on YouTube!
Isn’t hypocrisy fun to watch?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:36 pmBut, hey, blowing a poorly delivered quip by mr. kerry completely out of proportion and context so as to convert it into an issue through deception is just dandy. The irony is laughable.
Peace.
Comment by Humanist — November 2, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
I’ll tell you what is completely blown out of proportion, it’s the fact that Humanist calls America “murderers” when he won’t call a terrorist who has killed in the name of religion a “murderer”. What a joke you are Humanist.
Peace be onto you and your sheep.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:36 pm#89. All I can say is, please read post #89 to understand why those who think, don’t trust Democrats with national security. After 3 years of complaining, you’re going to wait until you get into office to find smart people and then decide what to do. Thank you ggibson, I couldn’t have made the point any clearer.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:36 pmDaryll,
Boy, I don’t know which version of the “bible” that you read but I can guarantee that there aren’t enough pictures because you just don’t get it.
Jesus of Nazareth is the quintessential liberal, but really that has no bearing on any of this. What is bizarre is that you seem to claim to speak for him. I would like to see your credentials on that. Walk across the lake and show them to me please.
Peace.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmThat is the funniest thing I have read in a couple of weeks. Now we see exactly where Daryll’s brain gets all phouced up.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmggibson,
That’s the irony, among many of course. Shall we address “thou shall not kill†next?
May peace be with us all.
Comment by Humanist
You could go right down the list. I know I have seen every single one the commandments broken + all the things Jesus add to them.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmHa!
What a surprise. Another hate filled Christian bigot has been outed. What’s the count for this year so far? Fifty? Sixty? Seventy god damned Christofascist monsters exposed as being hypocrits?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmCan this be considered sleeping with the enemy? And I mean that for both men.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:38 pmThis just proves my theory that the louder one screams out against gays, the more they have to fight their own homosexual urges.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:38 pm#108. SpudgeBoy. Why haven’t we had a terrorist attack since 9-11?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:38 pmThe mainstream media is totally avoiding this story…If its true …Do you really think they may try to black out this story because of the upcoming election?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:38 pmJesusChrist_GodOfWAR, Jesus wasn’t a liberal. He didn’t condone killing a living organism at the pre-infancy stage because of lack of sexual responsibility (abortion), or to put an illness in remission (embryonic stem cell research), homosexuals, breaking government laws (illegal immigration), etc. Do these ideals sound familar to you? Of course they do, these are ideals that libs want to instill into our society, but Jesus said no to all of these ideals (biblical law). Anyway, don’t you find it quaint that this unrighteous heathen decide to make these accusations against Pastor Haggard five days prior to the Mid-term election. I do.
Comment by Daryll
Jesus never mentioned ANY of those things… that is what makes you anti-Christ christians so bad… If Jesus didnt say something you wish he did you just lie and say he said it anyway… I heard my preacher do that all the time .. and I read the bible for myself which is why I ended up not trusting the church .. they seemed to preach against the very things that America is all about and lied about Jesus all the time.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmLet’s see…
poppy production INCREASES in Afghanistan under the rule of Emperor George W. Bush…
the number of “terrorists” who hate America INCREASES while under the rule of Emperor George W. Bush…
blacks are completely ignored in New Orleans while under the rule of Emperor George W. Bush…
the man reportedly responsible for the events of 9/11 ESCAPES capture under the “leadership” of Emperor George W. Bush…
100’s of thousands of innocent civilians dies at the hands of Emperor George W. Bush’s armies…
gay bashing christian men are exposed as homosexuals themselves while George W. Bush is Emperor and he himself is …
an entire nation has it’s phones/FAXes/Computers illegally tapped/monitored while under the rule of Emperor George W. Bush…
… and all whack-job christians can say is they follow Emperor George W. Bush because he believes in Jesus!
Now, what’s wrong with the evangelical christian version of reality???
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmGregor Samsa, I know he wouldn’t for vote a party that believes you can do whatever you want to do (liberation), regardless of morals and ethics, to please others. You libs have completely lost your moral sanity, there’s more to Jesus than love.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 pmDaryll, as a christian, I think your mission is to act like Jesus. We are told that when Jesus recognized hypocracy in his religious leaders, he complained and protested vocally. Why aren’t you following Jesus’ example?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 pmOh yes, he is definately a closet gay.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:42 pm#118-paul,
The terrorists have been attacking your freedoms and liberties for the last 5 years. Funny thing is, you are supporting them. Good luck to you on that.
Peace.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:42 pm#30,
zerofun,
I noticedhow the Republican who phoned a man to threaten him and use racial slurs blamed it on alcohol. Hahahahah. So what is it Repubs are you racial bigots or just fall down drunks? Take your pick.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:42 pmDaryll
Jesus was rather liberal (free will versus government control of morality, opportunity provided to even “the least of these my bretheren”). He certainly was NOT a neocon who mixed church and state, advocated any war to say nothing about a pre-emptive one, valued money over people, condemned others for their transgressions, demeaned other cultures, or loved only conditionally.
And I don’t care if the timing of the accusations against this “pastor” are “quaint” (don’t you mean “convenient”?) if they are founded in truth. Anytime is the right time to expose the hypocritical Christian Pharisees.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:42 pmHey dumbass, Anthrax being sent to Patrick Leahy, Tom Dashcle and Russ Fiengold is a terrorist attack. Moron.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:43 pmAthiest Jew. You are right on! If I knew you were a man, I’d kiss you.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:43 pmDaryll . I am sorry , you just presume to know J C and give him qualities or faults which you have no proofs of , actually we know very little of him except those lies told in the new testament written long after his death . The N T is just a political statement and nothing else.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:44 pmhate groups: most of them are supported by extreme religious beliefs.
guns: NRA armed branch of KKK, an extreme fanatical religious group.
abortion: religious ideas about birth and freedom of choice.
wars: President that speaks with God. God bless America (not the whole world, but America), Manifest Destiny, etc…
No religious ideas there, right?
Comment by Juan+C
Sure there are hate groups… how many people have they burned to the stake lately? This is America .. they can be part of any group they want as long as they observe the Consitution.
The NRA is not just a bunch of KKK types. They have those types for sure… but the bottom line is if ANYONE ever tries repealing the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution I will give money to the NRA to help fight that.
Abortion: How many people have been beheaded because they are prochoice?
People have a right to be religious… this is America.
Manafest destiny is the closest thing that we have been through .. and it was only partially religious. Back then America was still an experiment hopefully America is moving further and further away from the bad old days … though with Iraq that is hard to tell…
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:44 pm#101 Daryll
esus wasn’t a liberal. He didn’t condone killing a living organism at the pre-infancy stage because of lack of sexual responsibility (abortion)
He didn’t condone invading a country unprovoked, either. He didn’t condone a pre-emptive war policy. He didn’t condone torture. There are a lot of things he didn’t condone and didn’t even bother to address. He never said one word about abortion or homosexuals.
If you want to say that abortion is a violation of the fifth commandment, I’d like to see where it exempts the killing of innocents in the many many ways that Bush thinks are okay to do it. I’ve never seen any subordinate clauses after “Thou shalt not kill.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:45 pmggib – you’re missin me bud – there are still witchhunters, but now we call them gaybashers, and they kill people. there are, and still will be white christian militants in idaho cultivating the next tim mcveigh, and there are still abortion clinic bombers/assassins… you want to track a history of terrorism being dealt with try UK v. N.Ireland, Spain v. ETA, USSR v. Afghanistan…..stop talking pie-in-sky – start talking real recorded history.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:45 pmJesus was a liberal who was fighting against the fascist Roman occupancy of Jeruselam.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:45 pmPaul: “Why haven’t we had a terrorist attack since 9-11?”
Our own State Dept. and intelligence agencies have admitted that bin Laden wants Bush in power because he is a great recruiting tool. Everything Bush has done has been favorable to bin Laden. bin Laden demanded we remove our bases from Saudi Arabia: Done. He wanted the secular dictator of Iraq ousted: Done. He needed to recruit more terrorists: Done. Why on earth would terrorists associated with bin laden want Bush gone. He’s been great for them.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm“AMERICABlog has more.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm#122 “You libs have completely lost your moral sanity, there’s more to Jesus than love.” What more is there, Darryl??!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm118. there have been more terrorist attacks world wide since 9/11 than before. To state “we are safer” may or may not be true but to think we have made the world safer because of the conflict in Iraq is just plan wrong.
Here’s a thought. Wouldn’t you agree that the qty of terrorists in a given area should have been countered with a proportional amount of troops? If you don’t then just stop here, but if you do then would you agree or disagree that before entering in Iraq that there were more terrorists in Afghanistan than Iraq?
I’m still waiting to see an answer on my first question. What do you think “winning in Iraq” means.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:47 pmWell, that leaves out the republican party.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmWhy haven’t we had a terrorist attack since 9-11?
Comment by paul —
Why would terrorists want to spend the time, money, energy, and human resources to destroy the American way of life through its fearful tactics, when BushCo is doing their work for them?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pm#
this is off topic but would like to mention bush is in montana campaigning for burns. as i speak. this race is getting close and wouldn’t be surprised if burns wins in a state that bleeds red.
Comment by bs — November 2, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
If Bush says “Burney, you’re doing a heck of a job”, then we know that Conrad Burns will be packing up his office in Washington and moving everything back to Montana in January.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pm#89. All I can say is, please read post #89 to understand why those who think, don’t trust Democrats with national security. After 3 years of complaining, you’re going to wait until you get into office to find smart people and then decide what to do. Thank you ggibson, I couldn’t have made the point any clearer.
Comment by paul
That is called professionalism. That is what pros do. They get authority from the stake holders then they find the answers from people who are only going to give their time to people with the authority to enforce it. That is what the “Presidency” is all about. Determining who is the one that is going to act as the center of decision making so that they can draw the power of the wise ones to them so that they can make intelligent decisions. That is EXACTLY what GEORGE WASHINGTON did… try reading up on him.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmHaggard, featured in the new documentary of evangelical indoctrination of children “Jesus Camp,” is among the leading figures of the American Taliban. It should comes as no surprise that Haggard dislikes the film, which shows him instructing his flock, perhaps contrary to his tax-exempt status, “If the Evangelicals vote, they determine the election.”
For the details, see:
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pm“American Taliban Ted Haggard’s Boy Trouble.”
“AMERICABlog has more.”
But of course, seeing as Aravosis is a relentless gayhunter. No (rightwing) gay person escapes his ruthless scrutiny! (He does it purely to point out hypocrisy, honest.)
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:49 pmJesus was a Liberal, persecuted by Conservatives.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:49 pmI absolutely love it when these pious hypocrytes get hoisted on their own petards. These so-called defenders of the faith leading the crusade of “moral values”, getting nailed, like Jimmy Swaggart & his New Orleans hooker or Baker in his tyst with his secretary.–LMFAO
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:51 pm#108. SpudgeBoy. Why haven’t we had a terrorist attack since 9-11?
Comment by paul
For the same reason that we had none between the first WTC attack and 911. It only took a few people to pull off 911… believe me Al Qeada can spare a few people and Iraq has probably insited many more people than they need… and since Osama is FREE he has all the time he needs to plan another one. We need to cut off his support not create reasons for more people to join him … oh … we also need to CATCH OSAMA…
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:51 pmDaryll is obviously a troll. He gets his jollies by saying the opposite of whatever everyone else is saying and getting folks worked up. It’s no use trying to explain things to him as he wouldn’t admit that gravity exists if another poster said it. It’s all just a game to him. Which is sad, because real people are suffering – the poor still lack food and clothing and children are dying for lack of medical care. And he thinks it’s all just a big joke.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:52 pm#118 paul
Why haven’t we had a terrorist attack since 9-11?
Why DID we have one on 9/11?
Because we have an idiot for a president who has no foresight and can’t prevent something from happening until after it’s already happened, no matter how many clues get shoved under his nose.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:52 pmAnytime is the right time to expose the hypocritical Christian Pharisees.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 2, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
This is how you know Daryll is an immoral hypocrite (yes, I know that’s redundant).
He is more concerned about the potential damage to “his party”, than about chasing the money changers from the temple.
He is more concerned about outward image than about an honest spiritual endeavor.
He is ready to excuse the most execrable behavior as long as “his party” wins -whatever “winning” means in his deranged mind.
This is the core group of Bush cultists. And they accuse opponents of having lost their moral compass. Oh, delicious irony.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:53 pmThat is called professionalism. That is what pros do.
Save your breath, the right doesn’t do professionalism. They expect everything to proceed from their ideology and then they blame other people when their policies don’t work.
I trust the CIA. They trust Rush Limbaugh. That’s the difference between us and them.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:54 pm.
paul, these libs don’t understand: as humans go to restaurants to eat, terrorist will attack those not following their beliefs. We are bringing the war to them on their soil, rather than on ours. This is a long war, but we will win. Hey libs, do you want the terrorists to infiltrate into our country? I bet you do.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:54 pmI think Daryll should emulate Jesus behavior when he chased the moneychangers from the temple.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:55 pmDaryll, go down to Wall Street and beat the crap out of every banker you find in church.
ANTHRAX LETTERS ARE TERRORIST ATTACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:55 pmJesus wasn’t a liberal. He didn’t condone killing a living organism at the pre-infancy stage because of lack of sexual responsibility
Of course not. Having read the Book of Exodus, Jesus would have known that a fetus isn’t worth the same thing as a human life.
Gee, another phony Christian gets smacked by the bible. Like I haven’t seen that before.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:56 pm.
Daryll, to borrow a phrase from your fellow Bush cultist, Paul, “Satan says hello.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:57 pmI can’t figure out if “Daryll” is having a laugh…there is a large part of me that thinks “Daryll” is as far from what Christ would of wanted as a follower and not very bright to boot…but then the other part of me thinks he;s just mockying everyone and having a laugh..and that he is the smartest one in the room…I hope it’s the second one, cause then its funny, but if it’s the first, and their are others out there like him…well then I’m at a loss for words.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:58 pmggib – you’re missin me bud – there are still witchhunters, but now we call them gaybashers, and they kill people. there are, and still will be white christian militants in idaho cultivating the next tim mcveigh, and there are still abortion clinic bombers/assassins… you want to track a history of terrorism being dealt with try UK v. N.Ireland, Spain v. ETA, USSR v. Afghanistan…..stop talking pie-in-sky – start talking real recorded history.
Comment by tom+baker
Then go back and reread what I said… I said there are still a FEW .. I was specifically refering to McVeigh and the abortion clinic bombers… which is far far far less than the hundres of thousand of muslims willing to strap bombs to themselves. Islam needs a Reformation just like christianity did. But you dont reform people by bombing them now do you? America is on the upswing out of tribalism. Most of the world has not gotten as far as we have… maybe we should make an active effort in changing that …shall we?
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:58 pmI find this comment by Focus on the Family’s Jim Dobson to be extremely funny:
“[Ted] has shown a great deal of grace under these unfortunate circumstances, quickly turning this matter over to his church for an independent investigation.”
He’s the head of his church. How the hell is having his core of church cronies investigating the affair in any way an independent investigation? Also:
“It is unconscionable that the legitimate news media would report a rumor like this based on nothing but one man’s accusation.”
If you provide evidence, it’s not a rumor. Tapes and letters are evidence enough to convict in court, and easily enough for local media to report on.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20061102/pl_usnw/dobson_criticizes_media_for_reporting_haggard_allegation145_xml
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:00 pmJesus was a liberal who was fighting against the fascist Roman occupancy of Jeruselam.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
And the Jewish religious leaders and rich aristocricy that joined in with the Romans to save their own hides and continue the benefits of being the privilaged few.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:00 pmThis is America .. they can be part of any group they want as long as they observe the Consitution.
Well, that leaves out the republican party.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
No shit.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:01 pmHey Paul,
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:02 pmSo democrats have no plan in Iraq? I’ll let you in on a little secret-The Republicans have no plan either! They never had a plan in Iraq. They thought they would go in there get rid of Saddam and by magic everything would be A O.K. No need to protect the Iraqi infrastructure from looting. No need to keep the Iraqi army. Jesus was going to make everything O.K. The good lord takes care of everything! Its idiots like you who vote for the republicans and screw up the country! Maybe democrats cannot do anything in Iraq, I do’nt think anyone can fix that mess created by GW. All his life this moron screwed up and his father’s friends cleaned up his S**t. Now its the job of the Democrats to slap him straight. I would challenge you Paul to name any other president who has harmed this country more!
Hey libs, do you want the terrorists to infiltrate into our country? I bet you do.
Comment by Daryll — November 2, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Don’t be ridiculous. Of course we don’t want the Christian Taliban infiltrating our country either. Yet your freak already have.
Why are you here Daryll? Are you self-degrading and like to be humilated?
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pm#106; snort. heh, heh.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmpaul, i feel sorry for you. conservatism has failed you and now you’re grasping at straws… poof paul.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmI can tell you what I’ve heard from both parties. The Republicans plan to stay committed until there is a secure and free Iraq, no matter how long it takes.
Comment by paul
Translation: I’m going to keep slamming my head against this brick wall until I make a door I can go through.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmDaryll, go down to Wall Street and beat the crap out of every banker you find in church.
Comment by RUCerious — November 2, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
Funny
I bet Daryll wouldn’t go to New York City. Too afraid.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:04 pmMan, you can bet the New Life Church is in crisis mode. Any ‘indepdent investigation’ that’s being done is probably focused on discrediting Jones.
If this turns out to be true this is going HUGE. From what I’ve seen so far it looks to be so.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:06 pmWe are bringing the war to them on their soil, rather than on ours.
Wrong country, dumbass. Iraq wasn’t even on Bush’s list of state sponsors of terror. Not until well after 9/11.
Just another propaganda point, and you’re just another idiot for falling for it.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:06 pm.
Today in one of my classes, as we were looking at Neoclassical Architecture in Washington DC, my students started insulting Bush’s Presidency. Unrestrained.
Remember, I live in Georgia… And a lot of my students are eligible to vote.
Thought that was good news worth sharing…
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:07 pmPaul: “Why haven’t we had a terrorist attack since 9-11?â€
Said it before, I’ll say it again. i got my terrorist whistle from the same place I got my tiger whistle. I blow the tiger whistle and voila!! no tigers!
Or, to quote someone who you most liely consider ‘wise’:
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:08 pm“The abscence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence.”
-Rummy
Another one bites the chub, another one bites the chub, and another outed, and another one outed….another one bites the chub! Family Values Parade!
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:09 pmI can tell you what I’ve heard from both parties. The Republicans plan to stay committed until there is a secure and free Iraq, no matter how long it takes.
Comment by paul
Paul,
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:09 pm#1. Iraq is free.(check)
#2. Secure Iraq? From who? For Who? To what degree? What are the factors that would show that Iraq is secure? I need more information.
You libs have completely lost your moral sanity, there’s more to Jesus than love.
Comment by Daryll
That may be, but if you had actually read the bibble, you’d realise that THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE.
Love ya – but not in a crystal meth kinda way…
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:11 pmThis is some awesome November Surprise : )
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:12 pmDaryll
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I wouldn’t be too quick to put Jesus on your pre-emptive war side.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:13 pmThe pecker knows no hypocrisy.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:13 pmThese lying creeps, are so twisted in their views of sex, it says something about them all as a whole – something is terribly wrong with them.
I guess Jeff Gannon wasn’t the only one ‘blowing it’.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:15 pmzerofun, my message is serious, and I’m bright because my goal is to make to heaven unlike most libs.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:16 pm#179 – Then why do you pick& choose which portions of the Bible you believe in?
For someone who has a “pick & choose” perspective of the Bible, what’s driving your choice to believe some parts of the Bible while ignoring others?
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:20 pm- Jeremiah 14:13
ggib – all i was doing in the first place was refuting a rightie talking point/myth, which is that there is a plan or a solution available to anyone that would 100% eliminate the risk of terrorist acts or the existence of terrorist groups – the myth of the “war on terror”, like all the other silly “wars on ____” that we’re forever waging. of course there are means available to deter and to mitigate and they should always be pursued (used to be, under another president). when you try to answer the righties by concocting a plan that satisfies their mistaken understanding of what the problem is in the first place, you’re allowing them to dictate the frame, define the playing field and the rule book, and when they do that they always put us on the losing side. that’s the paradigm that has to be shaken off, and the way to start is to recapture the vocabulary of the issues, and the conceptual framework of the discussion.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:23 pmzerofun, my message is serious, and I’m bright because my goal is to make to heaven unlike most libs.
Comment by Daryll
Then worry about yourself and let the rest of us get to heaven on our own. You will be judged. I will be judged. If there is truly a loving, forgiving god everyone will make it…
You are putting Words in god/jesus’ mouth. Are you really so arrogant to believe that you KNOW god’s will? You have no say in the matter, much less over us.
Faith is a personal thing. Butt out and deal with your own sins.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:24 pmDaryll (there’s more to Jesus than love)
Matthew 22: 37-40
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The highlighted part clearly states that Jesus said everything expected of a Christian is based on love.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:24 pmDaryll, you’re a cardboard sign and a busy streetcorner away from your true calling. Get out there, and go for it, brother!
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:25 pmWTF LIE! We never fight for Iraqi freedom. Remember Iraq-Iran war when Saddam was our Govt’s “friend”:
It is clearly, Saddam is not the “friend” anymore and we want Iraqis oil.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:27 pmDaryll take the plank out of your eye buddy..do that and the world will shine.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:28 pmzerofun, my message is serious, and I’m bright because my goal is to make to heaven unlike most libs.
Comment by Daryll — November 2, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
“For emotional reasons, connected with my affection for my parents, I was a reluctant atheist, but giving up religion brought peace of mind because intellectual conflict was resolved.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:32 pm– J. J. C. Smart
Daryll says:
We are bringing the war to them on their soil, rather than on ours.
As I’ve pointed out before:
Other ways to die:
Struck by lightning: 1 in 576,000
Drowning in a bathtub: 1 in 685,000
Being killed by a dog: 1 in 700,000
Freezing to death: 1 in 3 million
So, what will kill you: Bathtub, Dog, or Terrorist
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:33 pmHe sure does sound gay! He’s a flamer!
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:34 pmDaryll, you’re a cardboard sign and a busy streetcorner away from your true calling. Comment by tom+baker — November 2, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Oh my god, that was hilarious.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:35 pmJesus was not a conservative nor a liberal………nuff said
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:42 pmDaryll, you’re a cardboard sign
Tom, I think you could have stopped right there and been on target.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:42 pmTom B –
Spotted on the way home from work last night.
A young guy with a homemade cardboard sign about 3′ X3′ with this on it.
Go Ahead
Vote for Corruption
Vote for War
Vote for Death
Vote Republican
My generation’s gonna pay for it anyway!
Wow.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:48 pm#188 – Other ways to die:
Struck by lightning: 1 in 576,000
Drowning in a bathtub: 1 in 685,000
Being killed by a dog: 1 in 700,000
Since the tragic events of 9/11:
150,000 US citizens have died from gunshot wounds
200,000 US citizens have died in automobile accidents
Yet only 3,000 people died on 9/11.
Where is the War on Guns?
Where is the War on Automobiles?
I say, invade Detroit! Invade Smith and Wesson! They’re doing more damage to us than al Qaeda!!!
The truth hurts, doesn’t it?
The only thing christian nutbags have is fear. Fear is the only thing the ReichWing has to offer.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:54 pmI call BS until we see hard proof. Otherwise this is just truly left wingnut scare tactics.
TP you got to be better than that if it is.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:57 pm#162. pr. If I put your logic to it; How about FDR and Harry Truman. Liberals here seem to be oblivious to the fact that we were attacked on 9-11 (and pre 9-11) and terrorists groups like Al Qaeda have declared war on us. The reason people are dying in the Middle East is that we are in a war. Using liberal logic, you could say; we lost 300,000 troops in WWII and tens of millions of Germans, Russians, and Japanese. Thanks alot for the fine mess you put us in FDR. Wouldn’t that sound ridiculous? What about Democrat Harry Truman using nukes on the Japanese? The poor defenseless Japanese, minding their own business. Obviously, I don’t feel that way. Those men performed there duties under difficult circumstances, much like the current administration is trying to do. The total void of understanding of this new war by progs and their cheerleaders in the mainsteam media is unbelievable.
November 2nd, 2006 at 3:58 pmAs the gay man was heard to say:
“Darling, Pastor, we honestly appreciate that you Christianists at least allow us to do “what we do” in the privacy of our homes. Likewise in the spirit of of turn-about is fair play, no pun intended, we are just tickled to have you do “what you do” in the sanctity of your churches.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:01 pm193 – That’s a ray of sunshine in my rainy day.
When you consider that the young people of the ’60’s were begat by straight-laced conservative parents in the 40’s and 50’s, it makes you hopeful that today’s youngsters (produced as they are in great #’s by neoconservative evangelicals) may experience a similar sociological transformation, bringing about a very interesting turn of tide for us all. The “echo boomers”, in conjunction with their retired “boomer” grandparents may make for a spicy demographic/political soup.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:06 pm“I was drunk at the time”
I wonder if this Christian will claim that he’s a drunk and that excuses his three year ass fling with a male hooker.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:06 pmAfter a bit of poking around, I’ve decided that until someone credible hears the supposed voice-mail tapes and determines that they are A) Haggards voice and B) aren’t doctored, I don’t believe this accusation. The timing is a big tip-off (and don’t try to tell me that Democrats wouldn’t pull this kind of crap) and this accuser is coming out of nowhere without any corroborating evidence except the as yet unexamined voice recording and a polygraph he has volunteered to take on someone’s radio show (a publicity stunt if I ever saw one)
People, we’ve all got better things to do and there are more important issues at stake than the oh-so-shocking news that a christian evangelist did the nasty with a guy.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:07 pm[...] The URI to TrackBack this entry is: http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 11/ 02/ haggard-evangelical-prostitute/ trackback/ [...]
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmPaul-
“The Republicans plan to stay committed until there is a secure and free Iraq, no matter how long it takes.”
Our plan is pretty close. We plan to commit Republicans until there is a safe and secure Iraq, no matter how long it takes.
Watch the video closely and see this guy’s reaction. He has that “deer caught in the headlights look”. I would have expected a hell of a lot more forceful and angry denial….what I saw was a weak smile and a “my church will investigate” bluster. Sure, it will. Sorta like that 9/11 Commission where Bush got to pick the players. It really won’t matter what conclusion your church reaches when the letters and messages get released.
As a practicing agnostic, I have to say, maybe there is a god. If so, he sure has one hell of a sense of timing. Assuming this is true, this is the equivalent of a nukeular bomb on the Republican-Evangelical Holy Misalliance….this is gonna depress and keep the base away big time.
Daryl, Paul-
It’s gotta be tough doing a minimum wage pay-to-post for the RNC here. The good news is that when the Democrats take over, we’ll be getting a living minimum wage passed, so you’ll benefit soon from the landslide that’s going to happen.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmMale prostitute in a position to know
Okay, I couldn’t resist the pun. In a _POSITION_ to know.
Thing is, the male hooker has 1000 times more credibility than any hate spewing Christian homophobe. He’s 1000 times more believable than any Republican Theofascist.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:19 pmAnd you know, some how Clinton is to blame
If it hadn’t of been for President Clinton setting the stage for the morals and theics of this country, these Christian homophobes wouldn’t be ass reaming male hookers for money.
It’s all Clinton’s fault! Er, some how.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:22 pmWhat does IQ have to do with heaven.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmSwordsbane @ 200
I have no idea if it is true, but I strongly doubt this was a sanctioned hit by the Democratic Party. Sorry, but you’d need to provide proof of that assertion.
Now, it could very well be that some enterprising gays who hate the Republican hypocrisy and their political brethren in the Fundie Alliance could have choreographed this. That might make sense. After all, Republicans and Fundies have been dining on gay bashing for decades and dirty tricks against the Party of Dirty Tricks strikes me as absolutely fair play. Maybe Ken Mehlman and Mark Foley can weigh in on this (LOL).
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmWrong, he was a liberal. Everything he teaches is liberal.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:25 pm“zerofun, my message is serious, and I’m bright because my goal is to make to heaven unlike most libs.”
Your bright like your right Daryll…in both cases, not very.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:29 pmWouldn’t an innocent person (especially one with the power and background of Haggard) be ’shocked and awed’ over such accusations? Instead the accused puts forth this childish look of a kid caught with their hand in the cookie jar. There he is smiling that freakish smile of his (what’s the deal with upper lip of his anyway . . . at least now we know how that oddity was formed – can you say ‘oral tube steak?’) As a gay man, I would be up in arms if someone accused me of having sex with a female prostitute! Talk about angry! His demeanor has always made me feel like I need a shower after seeing him on a talk show. Now I know why. Like so many others before him, he is a hypocrite and liar. Haggard = Swaggart
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:30 pmI have no idea if it is true, but I strongly doubt this was a sanctioned hit by the Democratic Party. Sorry, but you’d need to provide proof of that assertion.
Now, it could very well be that some enterprising gays who hate the Republican hypocrisy and their political brethren in the Fundie Alliance could have choreographed this. That might make sense. After all, Republicans and Fundies have been dining on gay bashing for decades and dirty tricks against the Party of Dirty Tricks strikes me as absolutely fair play. Maybe Ken Mehlman and Mark Foley can weigh in on this (LOL).
Comment by Innocent+Bystander — November 2, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
You can doubt all you want, and maybe the Democrats couldn’t pull it off, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re going “Damn! I wish we’d thought of it.”
I don’t think Democrats smell much better than the Republicans, and right now they can’t find their ass with both hands and a map, but don’t try to blow sunshine up MY ass telling me the Democrats are above all of this. It just so happens that they aren’t the ones with a gun to my head right now.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:34 pmGOP response:
1. Ted Haggard (D)
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:44 pm2. It’s all part of the downfall of morals due to the Clinton legacy
3. John Kerry hates our troops!
I don’t think Democrats smell much better than the Republicans
True. Vote for them anyway.
We can work on getting more picky after we’ve saved the country from the 4th Reich.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:44 pmzerofun, my message is serious, and I’m bright because my goal is to make to heaven unlike most libs.
Now I know you are taking the piss out of everyone…
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:47 pmand just in cause you aren’t…wtf does my goal is to make to heaven mean? you can’t write that in one sentence and then assert that you are “bright” in the other.
Sorry people, Paul (#14 above) is right. He is wrong in #46. but right in #14.
We may yet find out that Haggard is a closeted hypocrite, of course, but this election is not about Kerry or Haggard.
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:50 pmWonder who’s on top?
November 2nd, 2006 at 4:59 pmzerofun, the bright individuals understand God’s law, the ignorant individuals lack understanding, or refuse to accept it. These are the people who will burn in hell. If you’re intelligent, you’ll choose heaven.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:04 pmPaul: “The total void of understanding of this new war by progs and their cheerleaders in the mainsteam media is unbelievable.”
Pssssst, Paul, maybe you didn’t notice, but most of us agree with the NIE, our State Department and our CIA about the nature of this war. WTF are YOU talking about?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:07 pmIt’s too specific a story to be a lie. Why say 3 years? Why not say 1, or 5? And he has proof that he’s using to back himself up. I think it’s heroic of this guy to speak out and put this hypocrite out of business. It doesn’t stink at all.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:16 pm#217 – zerofun, the bright individuals understand God’s law, the ignorant individuals lack understanding, or refuse to accept it. These are the people who will burn in hell. If you’re intelligent, you’ll choose heaven.
You mean god’s law that tells me to stone women? God’s law that tells me it’s OK to sleep with my daughters? God’s law that admonishes christians to NOT sue eachother in the court of law?
You’re right. I refuse to accept “his” law. Refuse, that is, until you can prove to me that god even exists. No, reading from your little bible doesn’t count. That was written by men, not god as you claim to know him.
Ignorant individuals refuse to acknowledge and understand REALITY when they are faced with it. No amount of wishful thinking (aka: “faith” or “belief”) will change the true nature of REALITY.
So get over yourself, grow up, and become a decent caring human being.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:20 pmDaryll,
you are taking the piss out of everyone…a regular Borat in disquise…hilarious…andy kaufman of the internet. props Daryll.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:22 pm#196 paul
If I put your logic to it; How about FDR and Harry Truman. Liberals here seem to be oblivious to the fact that we were attacked on 9-11 (and pre 9-11) and terrorists groups like Al Qaeda have declared war on us.
There’s a huge difference, paul. When 9/11 happened, we already had been attacked by al Qaeda more than once, we knew who it was trying to do it, and a number of people, including the president’s own national security advisers and the previous administration, told him what to expect. He and others in his administration who were supposed to act on those warnings, blew them off. You’re talking apples and oranges.
Liberals here or elsewhere are not oblivious to anything regarding the terrorists. It’s a non-sequitur. It does not follow that a) we don’t agree that fighting Iraqi insurgents or sitting in the middle of a civil war in Iraq does anything to address the very real threat of terrorism, therefore b) we are oblivious to, don’t take seriously, or have forgotten about terrorism. That’s a phony argument. Fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here is BS and you know it. The “them” we’re fighting over there are not the same as the “them” who would want to come over here and blow up buildings. And there is nothing about our presence in Iraq that prevents members of al Qaeda in Pakistan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Europe, or anywhere else in the world from coming here and attacking us.
Just because we don’t subscribe to silly right-wing notions about where the terrorists come from or what we are or aren’t doing to prevent an attack doesn’t mean we don’t take them seriously. But, what we think is immaterial right now, because there is no debating the issue while Bush is in the White House and the rubber-stamp Republicans run the House and Senate. No serious discussion will take place. It’s all “do what Bush wants” and no questions asked. Hopefully, that will change soon. Bush will be forced to start answering questions. He’d better start studying up right now.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:23 pm#200 Swordsbane
Do you believe the Foley scandal happened? The timing of that was suspicious, too, but that didn’t disprove anything. The fact that the TV station had been working on this story for two months, which is longer than we’ve known about Foley, tells me a) they wanted to get it right and b) they could have run it earlier if they felt confident about it. Wouldn’t if have done a lot of damage a week ago or two weeks ago or even a month ago? Do you think the station is working for the Democratic party?
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:29 pm#220 alexander
Why not 3 years? It’s as good a number as any.
#224 chimpeach
I believe the Foley scandal because there were more wintesses (not Republicans) and the IMs were plastered all over the news and even Foley himself wasn’t denying their content. In this case, I have not personally heard the tapes yet and haven’t heard any report about their authenticity from a credible source (more credible than the media or the politicians). I’m not saying it isn’t true. I’m saying I’m not going to say it IS true until I hear the evidence. There’s a world of difference between this and the Foley things, but as a matter of fact, I DID view the Foley scandal as fishy before I saw the evidence, and yes it was because of the timing. The evidence in this case is slower to come to light. It may be because they’re taking care not to get it wrong, but that would be very uncharacteristic of a media agency. The cases ARE different and this one smells fishy.
In either case, it is NOT more important than people dying in Iraq, even if it turns out to be true. It’s not more important than our rights being stripped away and this close to the elections it isn’t going to sway votes one way or the other. I think the Republicans are going down and there’s nothing that’s going to hasten or delay that outcome. Including Haggert monkey-banging a male prostitute. The only thing this story is good for is coming up with Chrisitian jokes.
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:43 pmComment by tom+baker
Sorry tom but I do not agree the righties invented terrorism as some kind of myth. There are real people being brought up from child hood being told by their religious leaders that killing Jews and Americans and different types of muslims is HOLY. Righties didnt invent that. It is true. Which is why we see the Palastinians refuse to wage a peaceful compaign for freedom. It is why we see muslims blowing themselves up and highjacking planes and ships for decades. That is why we saw palastinians murder a bunch of Israeli Olympics atheletes. And on and on. Many of us know the history of Christian terror and it went on for well over 1000 years. I dont know about you but I am not in the mood to wait that long. And since 911 I see it as an imperitive that America take the lead on this issue just as America did a little over 200 years ago.
When a muslim can stand up in Saudi Arabia and say it is evil to use Islam in the name of murder like we do here in the USA about christianity. And do so without losing his head. THEN I will cut the muslims some slack. Now it is not just their religion. America needs to make amends for what we did in the creation of Israel AND things like the overthrow of Irans leader back in the 50s? Not to mention giving Saddam WMDs to use on the Iranians… BUT America can only meet the muslims half way. They have to be willing to change themselves also.
America changes its ways + Islamic countries change their ways == Peace
Half peace == War
It takes two to tango
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:49 pmRaw Story is reporting that Haggard stepped down (but has not admitted to having done the deed with the gay escort).
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:58 pmSwordsbane-
You remind me of Ralph Nader telling us there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats. Bullshit. If you think Gore and Democrats would have gotten us to this point 6 years later, you
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:59 pm‘re as delusional as Daryll. Republicans from 1995-2000 served 1050 subpeona’s on the Clinton WH. From 2000-present- zippo. They spent $70MM+ of taxpayer money conducting a witch hunt on a popularly elected Democratic President. Sorry, there’s a big friggen’ difference between Republicans and Democrats. But if I were a partisan Republican, I’d be trying to make the flawed argument that they are the same. Nice Try – No Sale.
Daryll at 1:42 PM: “I don’t believe it. The gay male is just attempting to attack Christians. Mr. Hagaard is a God fearing man. Just another ploy created by liberals, but Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006.”
Two hours later: “Oops, never mind.”
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:03 pm#225 Swordsbane
The evidence in this case is slower to come to light. It may be because they’re taking care not to get it wrong, but that would be very uncharacteristic of a media agency. The cases ARE different and this one smells fishy.
I’m not saying it’s a dead certainty, either. But, it’s playing out very much like the story about the Spokane mayor, Jim West, who was vocally anti-gay and then turned out to be not only gay, but frequently trolling the chat rooms for hook-ups. The witness reported it to the newspaper and the reporters took enough time to verify the story, even having someone pose as an available gay male in the chat room he was known to use.
I’d say that taking time to make sure the story is right, especially after what happened to Dan Rather, is more likely the norm now.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:04 pmLet’s try to remember that in 1994, it was all about DEM corruption. Nobody was talking like Swordbane about bipartisan corruption. Now that Repubs have messed up their own sandbox, people like Swordbane sit there and say, “they all do it.” Sorry, it just doesn’t fly anymore. Many of us are tired of the double-standards.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:10 pmYou remind me of Ralph Nader telling us there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats. Bullshit. If you think Gore and Democrats would have gotten us to this point 6 years later, you
‘re as delusional as Daryll. Republicans from 1995-2000 served 1050 subpeona’s on the Clinton WH. From 2000-present- zippo. They spent $70MM+ of taxpayer money conducting a witch hunt on a popularly elected Democratic President. Sorry, there’s a big friggen’ difference between Republicans and Democrats. But if I were a partisan Republican, I’d be trying to make the flawed argument that they are the same. Nice Try – No Sale.
Comment by Innocent Bystander — November 2, 2006 @ 5:59 pm
Did you actually READ what I wrote? I never said or came anywhere close to saying that there was no difference between Republicans or Democrats. However, if it sounds to you like I’m saying that, knock yourself out. I can’t really concern myself with what you THINK I mean.
#230
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:16 pmThat’s as close to impartial as I have any right to expect.
Let’s try to remember that in 1994, it was all about DEM corruption. Nobody was talking like Swordbane about bipartisan corruption. Now that Repubs have messed up their own sandbox, people like Swordbane sit there and say, “they all do it.†Sorry, it just doesn’t fly anymore. Many of us are tired of the double-standards.
Comment by Bluedog49 — November 2, 2006 @ 6:10 pm
Maybe they should have been saying it. Not saying something doesn’t make it untrue any more than saying something makes it true. The PROBLEM with things like this is that everyone is not so much running to the Democrats as fleeing the Republicans. If we had a Democratic House and Senate and a Democrat in the Whitehouse, maybe we wouldn’t have paedophiles and illegal wars and rights being trampled on, but we might have… say a president debating the meaning of the words ‘alone’ and ‘is’
If you’re asking me who I prefer, I’ll answer Democrat without sparing the time for a breath. If you’re asking me who’d do a good job in power, I’ll say “Neither” without any extra time thinking about it.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmWho else will be exposed before the election? Bush? Where is Gannon? Shouldnt he be on all the Liberal MSM talk shows spilling his guts?
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:27 pmOh and bluedog49 and IB: For the record, I WAS talking about bi-partisan corruption in 1994, but I also knew Bush was going to be worse than Clinton. At the time, you know what I heard? “Whew.. at least we got rid of Clinton.”
It’s not a double-standard, and I’m not saying that we’ll be just as bad off if with the Democrats. Point of fact, I think we’ll be much better off. But when the novelty wears off and we start dismantling the crap that the Republicans set up, the Dems will go and screw something up and if we don’t remember where we are right now, the Reps will start saying “Put the Republicans in power and you won’t have this problem.” and you know what? All these Republican supporters who are deserting their sinking ship now will go right back to being good Republicans, and in 2012 or 2016 we might be right where we are now, scared and all running to the Democrats again. It’s time to get off the merry-go-round and find another ride. The Reps and Dems aren’t going to change, so we have to.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmABC Breaking-
HE PRESIDENT OF 30 MILLION-STRONG NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICALS, REV. TED HAGGARD, HAS RESIGNED AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF PAYING FOR SEX WITH A MAN
Doesn’t sound like a guy who’s been set-up, does it?
Swordsbane…how about an apology?
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:57 pmABC Breaking-
HE PRESIDENT OF 30 MILLION-STRONG NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICALS, REV. TED HAGGARD, HAS RESIGNED AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF PAYING FOR SEX WITH A MAN
Doesn’t sound like a guy who’s been set-up, does it?
Swordsbane…how about an apology?
Comment by Innocent Bystander — November 2, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
I stand corrected. I hope this doesn’t go away, as in swept under the rug. Technically he didn’t break any laws so we might never get to hear the tapes.
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:02 pmHave we reached the point where it’s news if a right wing religious leader DOESN’T have a secret sex life?
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:04 pmAnti-Gay Evangelical Leader Had Relationship with Gay Prostitute, Abused Drugs…
How many hypocritical positions can we fit into one headline, anyway?(Update: early word is he’s now on administrative leave from his church)…
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:06 pmSo are you saying the pastor is running for office?
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 pm“sniff” “sniff” “sniff” I think I’m smelling the rotting carcas of what once was the heart and soul of the Republican Party. This is going to reverb for a long time. The rubes that believe the BS from the Republican Party and their wholly own operating subsidiary, Jesus Christ-USA Franchises, LLC. are going to finally realize that it has all been a pacck of well packaged lies. RIP
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:22 pmReally?
Funny I thought solicitation and smoking meth were against the law. Guess it’s legal to do crank and hire hookers to have sex with you in Colorado. Learn something new everyday.
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:27 pm[...] Ted Haggard, one of the most prominent and politically powerful evangelical pastors in the country, resigned today as president of the 30-million-member National Association of Evangelicals “amid allegations that he carried on a three-year sexual relationship with a male prostitute.” (Details HERE.) The Denver Post reports: He has placed himself on administrative leave pending investigation, spiritual counsel and a decision by the church’s board of overseers, the church’s legal counsel said. [...]
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:34 pm[...] If I believed in a personal God, I’d think she was trying to send America’s Christians a message. [...]
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:35 pmBREAKING – heard just now on rachel maddow/AAR
HAGGARD HAS RESIGNED.
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmMSNBC is reporting on TV that Haggard has resigned.
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmSwordbane: “If we had a Democratic House and Senate and a Democrat in the Whitehouse, maybe we wouldn’t have paedophiles and illegal wars and rights being trampled on, but we might have… say a president debating the meaning of the words ‘alone’ and ‘is’”
And you think there is a legitimate question about which one of these things was preferable?? Please. I’ll take the guy who’s debating the meaning of words. Nobody gets killed that way.
November 2nd, 2006 at 7:46 pm“Jesus was not a Liberal”
Jesus was a loving progressive!
(But not in a meth and rentboys kinda way.)
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:15 pm[...] Think Progress: Ted Haggard, one of the most prominent and politically powerful evangelical pastors in the country, resigned today as president of the 30-million-member National Association of Evangelicals “amid allegations that he carried on a three-year sexual relationship with a male prostitute.†(Details HERE.) [...]
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:25 pmggib – i never said that there does not exist a faction of radical islam that is devoted to death and destruction. i also never said righties invented terrorism. what i said was YOU CAN’T “WIN” A “WAR” AGAINST AN IDEA. further, i think it’s dumb (as in simple-minded) to reduce the entire, very complex and long-running history of mid-east politics into a neat, tidy package that can be managed by the government of the U.S. -does that mean (why do you level this trollie accusation at me, anyway?) that we should “do nothing” or “let the terrrusts win”? hell no it doesn’t.
also – i would like trollie-types to see how ggib and I are on the same side, yet disagreeing with one another, showing conclusively what kind of empty lies you a-holes push…
November 2nd, 2006 at 8:37 pm#196 paul,
November 2nd, 2006 at 9:53 pmThere is no such thing as liberal logic, either something is logical or not. To say that liberals were oblivious to 9/11 is a meaningless statement. You yourself state that Al queda declared war on us. Was Al Queda an Iraqi organization? Did Saddam support Al Queda? Saddam and Al Queda were enemies. Bin Laden hated Saddam because Saddam was secular. Even GWB acknowledged that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
19 Saudis and an Egyptian attacked us on 9/11. Osama Bin Laden is an Egyptian. So why not attack Iraq. Why let the facts get in the way of a good war!
You say liberals are oblivious to 9/11. I believe it was Bush who said that he does not really care about Bin Laden.
By the way if FDR had used Bush’s logic he would have declared war on Portugal and Truman would have bombed China.
Bush is not fighting a war on terrorism, instead he has helped the cause of terrorism, aided and abetted by fearful, ignorant and illogical people like you who close your eyes to truth and logic and argue ony with your emotions.
[...] Ted Haggard, one of the most prominent and politically powerful evangelical pastors in the country, resigned today as president of the 30-million-member National Association of Evangelicals “amid allegations that he carried on a three-year sexual relationship with a male prostitute.†(Details HERE.) The AP reports: Haggard…also stepped down as senior pastor at his 14,000-member New Life Church pending an investigation by a church panel, saying he could “not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations.†[...]
November 2nd, 2006 at 9:57 pm[...] And this one almost seems too insane to be true — Major Right-Wing Evangelical Leader Accused Of 3-Year Relationship With Male Prostitute. [...]
November 2nd, 2006 at 11:05 pmI believe it was about two weeks ago when I commented on the fact that all these gay-hating, family-values folks were probably either closet gays or pedophiles. Hmmm…looks like I got it right. Now, let’s move over to the left on November 7th, shall we? See you at the polls.
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:05 amI hope Pat Robertson gets OUTED next > he hangs out in the gym a lot with sweaty muscle studs, so maybe he gets sex in the steam room > lol.
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:17 amRemember the woman who was about to be stoned because of Adultry in the time Jesus lived.
John 8:3-11
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Lord knows I’m a sinner. I try to sin less, I’m not perfect.
Before you guys start throwing stones, I suggest you read the above passage from the True Word of God. God is perfect, man is not.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:23 amI see you guys are moderating
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:24 am[...] Watch video [...]
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:47 amhttp://www.verlch.blogspot.com
Brrrrft, brrrft, brrrrrrrft, brrrft, brrrrrphhhft. Wing nut alert! Man the stations. Check out it out, Righty Mick Tighty, has already launched an article! Send in the attack dogs!!!!!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 amPatriarch Verich: open your eyes… you’re being misled… it’s all a farce… you’re too preoccupied with words… look, and see what’s actually happening and maybe you’ll get an idea of what really matters in life. You, your health, friends, family, life experiences. Put down your book once in a while and live for yourself…
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:41 amI hate it when christians try to respond with “passages from the Bible” whenever they know they’re being shown in plain view that their system of faith is severely flawed. It’s like they’re saying…”oh yeah, well God said this” and “well, God said in the Bible that…” How do they know?! Were they there? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. So try taking the time to come up with your own answer. Chances are, you’ll realize you’re wrong anyway. Hah!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:48 amBefore you guys start throwing stones, I suggest you read the above passage from the True Word of God. God is perfect, man is not.
Comment by Patriarch Verlch — November 3, 2006 @ 3:23 am
Throwing stones? PV.. we’re talking about someone who uses his position to tell us all that certain things are a grave sin and then gets caught doing those very things. I’ll throw buicks at the man. I’ve been wrong before and I’ve even broken the law once or twice, but I’ve never done something so tragically hypocritical in my entire life. I think even by your books standards, I’m allowed.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:35 amI am a follower of Jesus Christ. The first time I ever saw this man Haggad on TV (I live far away in New Zealand) my immediate impression was that he was gay. The first time I ever saw G W Bush speak as Governor of Texas I thought that this man is deluded and a liar. Sadly, many who call themselves “christians” seem to have skipped Romans 2 and failed to realise that when we judge, we judge ourselves. Hypocrisy is the most easily spotted of all sins, as let’s face it, we are all of us hypocrites in our own way, hence why forgiveness is so important, but it must also be accompanied by repentance. He among you that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. This man’s sin is a shame, it is an even greater shame to cast stones.
November 3rd, 2006 at 7:19 amIf hypocrisy is the most easily spotted sin, how come the Republicans are in power? For that matter, how come the Republican and Democratic parties still exist? If we don’t shout it from the roof-tops, it’s that much easier for people to sweep it under the rug like they always do.
Also, keep in mind that Jesus was speaking about real stones cast from hands to kill. That is NOT what’s going on here. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes when Jesus is telling us not to throw stones, he’s not using a metaphor. He’s telling us not to physically throw stones unless you are free of sin. The man Haggard has not repented. He turns what he tells us is more than one mortal sin into “indiscretions” Where does he get off?
November 3rd, 2006 at 7:52 amI love how this site will jump on an allegation but still ignore entire stories like Reid mobster land deals and lets Ted Kenney get away with murder.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:25 amI love how this site will jump on an allegation but still ignore entire stories like Reid mobster land deals and lets Ted Kenney get away with murder.
Comment by Happy+Guy — November 3, 2006 @ 8:25 am
Yeah.. cuz ya know.. if the Democrats get away with it, it MUST be okay for the Republicans to get away with it.
Speaking as someone who dislikes both parties: If you’re going to defend what he did, then bring it on. If you’re going to mope that people are calling him on it, shut the hell up. Oooo.. hypocrasy in politics.. How did THAT happen??
Anyway, you should be happy this is drawing attention away from what a crappy job the Reps are doing in Iraq.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:33 amJesus Christ was an opponent of the foreign military forces occupying his homeland. He had only one thing that he could give to the fight….his life. By saying he was “the King” he made a direct challenge to the puppet King who merely delivered the message from the occupying forces. Jesus’ strength and that of his friends’, family, and followers’ came from their mutual support and “love” for one another. Christ made it clear that he needed to know he was “loved” and the others about him were loved and loving. With the commitment of love for him and others he could carry out his mission to undo the occupying force and his companions could carry out the mission after he sacrificed himself by oppossing the occupiers appointed Ruler and rule.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:53 amSince he announced in December that he would not seek a second term as governor, Romney has campaigned in key primary states — steadfastly decreeing that his faith was a private matter. He deflects most inquiries by stating that Jesus Christ is his savior. A favorite Romney quip is that in his church, “marriage is between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman.”
This laugh line, and his reluctance to delve deeper into his beliefs, only add to the mystery of a faith that many Americans associate with polygamy — although that practice has long been outlawed by the church — and with customs such as marrying people after they have died and converting the dead.
“Evangelicals are appalled by all that,” said Pastor Ted Haggard, president of the National Assn. of Evangelicals in Colorado Springs, Colo. “We evangelicals view Mormons as a Christian cult group. A cult group is a group that claims exclusive revelation. And typically, it’s hard to get out of these cult groups. And so Mormonism qualifies as that.”
In addition, Haggard said, evangelicals do not accept Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith as a prophet. “And we do not believe that the Book of Mormon has the same level of authority as the Bible,” he said.
When Romney says that he accepts Jesus Christ as his savior, “we appreciate that,” Haggard said. “But very often when people like Mormons use terms that we also use, there are different meanings in the theology behind those terms.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mitt10oct10,1,6805742.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true
Also see: http://www.evangelicalright.com/2006/10/ted_haggard_says_massachusetts.html
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmSee this..another link in the chain
http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:45 pmJust saw this on Headline News: Haggard, sitting in the back of a car talking to reporter, says he’s innocent, etc., then turns around and admits he called he called the guy to buy meth. Didn’t do any, though; he threw it away, apparently, because it was “wrong.” Or maybe he fired up a pipe, but didn’t inhale?
Also, Haggard says that he met the guy while getting a massage from him, and that he was referred to him by the hotel manager.
Hmmm…
Must have been that grueling hour, maybe hour-and-a-half drive from Colorado Springs to Denver that got him so stressed out that he needed a big strapping man to loosen him up real good, I guess.
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:45 pmnothing wrong with being gay – it appears to be built into many species, including our nearest relatives.
its religion that’s the problem!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmCorny American story: “American tele-evangelist in Sex Scandal”. Heard it all before. You should keep these people in order.
JohnM233, UK
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmQuestions about the sexual orientation of Republican gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist sparked a rare show of temper by Gov. Jeb Bush today, who called a television reporter a “horse’s ass” for cutting off a query from another journalist.
Rumors about Crist being gay have swirled around the campaign for months, but he has constantly denied them.
Outside the Mi Viejo San Juan restaurant, a mob of TV reporters cornered Bush and Crist, peppering them with questions about a gay rights group’s call earlier in the day for Crist to come out of the closet.
Crist brushed it all aside.
“Silly season junk. Next question,” said Crist, currently Florida’s attorney general.
But Bush became peeved when a reporter persisted and cut off an Hispanic journalist trying to pose a question in Spanish.
“Put a smile on your face and don’t be such a horse’s ass,” Bush snapped.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmIf this ‘preacher’ is guilty it would be better for his family, associates and his church to admit to his ’sin’ and ask forgiveness. The problem with hypocrisy is that it is a close relative of deceit & lying and so do not hold your breath that this paragon of virtue will own up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:37 pmHaggard is just another twisted sister who made enjoyed fame, wealth and privilege for bashing honest and out gay American citizens.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:47 amI’m a New Deal Liberal Democrat (which gives you some idea of my age) living in the Demcratic foxhole of Denver, surrounded by upscale suburbs and megachurches, and sandwiched between Colorado Springs and the lair of Marilyn Musgrave soon (Please, God) to be a former congressmember. I first chortled over Haggard myself, but, really, this guy is not a Jim Baker/Jimmy Swaggert total hypocrite, and he seems to have a pretty deep vein of real Christian ideals. He has tried to get the Evangelicals to focus on stewardship of natural resources; he has said that while the church must uphold scriptural morality, he did not believe the govenment had any business in our bedrooms. I’m now sorry for him, and sense a little of the hell a gay person who also is a biblical literalist/fundamentalist must go through. Give the poor bastard a break, and if you’re into it, say a prayer for him!
November 4th, 2006 at 11:18 pmHe is a wolves in sheeps clothing. He preaches the talk, but something is very sinister about the headship of that church, why would any preacher live that kindof lifestyle!!!
November 4th, 2006 at 11:32 pmThe bible also states that if we have sinned at anyhting, any of the commandments, we are guilty of doing all the sins.
Sure there are worse sins than others, and we are commanded not to grieve Gods’ Spirit.
Homosexuality was forcasted thousands of years ago…
December 7th, 2006 at 1:25 pmDems and Republicans…. neither are perfect, both with their own faults….. I choose the Rep. faults as the lesser evils. Dems support killing babies. Somehow pro-active instiutionalized Murder outweighs whateverelse you could imagine…..
Ted H. can be completely restored!
What an incredible example that will be!
Although I do not think mankind is pure enough to not live of of “some kind of greed”, whether it be money, power, or sex.
It’s like the old joke about the Adulterer that has such strong convitions about “Never Killing Anyone”, and the “Killer” with such strong convictions about never committing Adultery….
So, we get the Adulterer to speak on Not Killing, and then we get the Killer to speak on not committing Adultery.
Real Humility is hard to find…..
January 19th, 2007 at 11:15 am