Haggard says he bought meth from male prostitute.
By on Nov 3rd, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Haggard says he bought meth from male prostitute.
The right-wing evangelist also acknowledged that he received a massage from the prostitute, but denied that they had sex. Haggard said he never used the drugs.
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The link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org….php? storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmshouldn’t that be massage?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmGolly! Looks like Jesus approves.
Funny how every hate filled homophobe Christian Republican is nothing but a god damned crook and a liar, huh?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pma message or a mAssage???It really help us out if the TP post Originators can spell correctly…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmHe got a massage… right…. and he bought drugs, obviously more than once, but threw it away… right… I feel another “I have sinned” moment coming on!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmIs that a pic of him with the GAY prostitute? Looks like W!!!! Shocker!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmhe has now, at the very best, OJ’ed himself forever.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmHmmm where is Bush’s right hand in this picture ?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:12 pmThe butch set him up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:12 pm#1 - I believe it was a massage. A meat cylinder friction massage, administered to the lower colonic passage.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmAnd as usual, the Christian sheep defend their master
> “It’s political, right before the elections,” said Brian
> Boals, a New Life member for 17 years.
Yeah, a three-year-long hot homosex fling with a male hooker is some how nothing but a campaign event. And the Christian f*ks continue to follow their god damned hypocrit masters.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmCNN Video here on youtube
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzoHI_aQ_w
he bought the meth, but he didn’t inhale…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pmApparently it is completely normal and routine to buy methamphetamine from a gay prostitute with whom you are not going to have sex.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmKeep Digging Haggard!!
Amusing how this Christian monster only admits to what he thinks his hooker can prove with evidence his hooker might have retained. The Christian monster is probably up all night trying to decide just how much evidence his hooker has on him and how much to admit to before it’s all made public.
And this monster’s sheep bleat about how their master’s exposure of being a hypocritical and typical Christian hate mongering homopbobe is all some how related to the election cycle.
Anyone _still_ think the religious are anything but completely and utterly insane?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pm“I bought it for myself but never used it,” he said. “I was tempted, but I never used it.”
Oh, sure. I buy all my drugs from prostitutes and then never use them. First he denied knowing the guy at all, let alone having paid for sex and/or drugs. Then he admitted having bought drugs from him, but he’s denying the sex. After having spent all this time around Republicans, hasn’t he learned that coming completely clean first is always better in the long run? It’s no guarantee that you won’t still be in trouble, but you’ll be in far less trouble if the entire story doesn’t have to come out in dribs and drabs. (I suppose I can’t rule out him claiming that Satan made him do it.)
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmthis was a compromise confession… he rightly figures that his fellow religious righties will see drugs as a less severe sin than homosexuality… and he’ll probably say he was “drunk” when he took that massage…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmokay, I get it.
Buying drugs:NOT SO GOOD
Not using bought drugs:OKAY
Massage from gay prostitute:NOT SO GOOD
Not having sex with gay prostitute:OKAY
two questions to ask all the Teddy supporters (Daryll, I’m talking directly to you)
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmWhy would one, who preaches against homosexuality, receive a massage from a known male prostitute?
Why would one, who preaches about “values”, purchase an illegal substance to “experiment”?
“Only bought it one time”
=
“Honest, officer, I only had two beers!”
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmThe homophobic Christian thinks it’s a big joke
Look at that god damned Christian monster laughing all the way through the interview. He’s got a big grin on his face, knowing that the money will continue to roll in from the god damned ignorant fc*kn sheep who will continue to follow their homosexual leader despite all evidence.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmOh yeah suuuure he was set up? right! They sure set him up by forcing him to ask for meth over the phone omg! This pastor isn’t hypocritical like the rest of the repubs are …he’s against gay marriage because he’s totally all about gay promiscuity! He likes them “messages” from single gay guys rather than ones who are committed.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmDRxJ
two questions to ask all the Teddy supporters (Daryll, I’m talking directly to you)
Why would one, who preaches against homosexuality, receive a massage from a known male prostitute?
Why would one, who preaches about “valuesâ€, purchase an illegal substance to “experimentâ€?
Know thy Enemy?
It’s got a ‘thy’ in it, so it’s got to be biblical, so Jebus approves.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:22 pm#18. Now that’s funny!!!!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmSo he paid this man for both sex and drugs, but did not have sex and did not use the drugs? Ladies and gentleman, we’re about a see if the limit of what a wingnut is willing to believe can be stretched even farther than was previously thought…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmI would like to hear from ALL right wingers … Who HAS and who HAS NOT let a gay prostitute massage them before?
WHERE do you stand?
WHO do you believe?
HOW DAMN STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmThe butch set him up.
Comment by Exley — November 3, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
Is this a namejack?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmOMG, this is way better than “I didn’t inhale”.
I bought the drugs, I wanted to see what they looked like! Then I threw them away? Queue up lie number two, I contacted a male prostitute via RentBoy.com in order to get a str8 massage.
Dude, I dare you to put your hand on the Bible and say that stuff. This will prove you’re not even a Christian.
Good Lord, what a bunch of blow that is.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:31 pmHaggard didn’t have gay sex with a man in Denver…but Boulder? All bets are off.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmHe said he only bought meth once - then he said -
“I never kept it for a long time”
Given its addictive qualities, I bet he snorted it right away, so yeah I bet he didn’t keep it for very long.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 pm#31 DRxJ, Nope….It’s Mets fan Exley.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmUh huh. And Clinton didn’t inhale. Pfffffft. This doesn’t pass the laugh test.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pm1. Why is Haggard saying he only bought Meth once from Jones once (then threw it away without using it), when his voice message says “Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply.”
‘More’ usually implies more than once..
2. If there is some kind of investigation into Haggard for the drugs/prostitution, they should only have to check his bank statements for withdrawals of $200 (the amount he paid Jones nearly 30 times). This shouldn’t be hard to verify.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pm“I don’t see why Haggard is so upset. He didn’t marry the guy, he just had some one-night stands,” - Beliefnet reader, explaining why Haggard wasn’t really a hypocrite. - - ROFL!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmCNN Video here on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzoHI_aQ_w
Comment by joewo
Oh man. That was soo terrible.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmWow, this just gets worse and worse. His story keeps changing and it keeps getting seedier. Imagine what he’ll be saying tomorrow.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
The meth part of the story rings true to me. It’s what extremely conflicted and sometimes desperately lonely gay men resort to in order to facilitate their self-destruction, and leave behind any sexual inhibitions derived from crushing guilt.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm“I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver”
I love those non-denial denials.
How about Aspen, Mr. Haggard? Boulder?
And how about out-of-state trysts? California? Nevada?
Should we list all the possible places in the world for you?
What a sleaze…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmHe said he only bought it once but didn’t use it, threw it away. But in his voicemail he says he wants to get some more. What’s wrong with that picture?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pm[…] ThinkProgress has Ted Haggard’s most recent comments on Mike Jones’ accusations. […]
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pm“I didn’t inhale.”
“I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
Hmm…Haggard’s comments are just about as believable.
The pastor doth protest too much methinks.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pm#35
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmNahhhh, can’t be “the” Exley, as he does post better thought out, albeit misguided, paragraphs.
and butch is a derogatory label for a male looking lesbian.
Who cares whether this nutjob got a nutjob from some male prostitute?
Is this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
I don’t get it… why is this on this website? Seems like something FOX would put on…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pmBuying meth form a gay male prostitute = $100
Getting a back rub from a gay male prostitute = $50
Having sex with a gay male prostitute = $200
Being an anti-gay gay Christian leader of 30 million = Priceless
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:47 pm#47 Hey DrxJ, Nah, it’s me….I was trying to do a parody of D.C. Mayor Marion Barry’s famous line when he was caught on video in an FBI sting operation smoking crack cocaine with a woman (not his wife) at the Vista Hotel. The incident — played over and over on cable television — produced what is perhaps the most memorable quote of Barry’s long career: “The bitch set me up.”
I guess the joke didn’t work….
I have no doubt that this Haggard guy is a sleaze on every level.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmThe term you are looking for is “Power Top” WHich of course would make Ted Haggard the “Power Bottom”
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmWhat does the President have to say about this. Is he going to demand an apology from someone who bought Meth and sat in with him every Monday. What an outrage! The gay sex and the actually taking the drug will come out as this drags on (ohh yes my republican friends this will drag on) but here is a man who is allowed in the inner circle of the President and is committing criminal acts in purchasing DRUGS.
There is no way any red blooded american Republican should stand for any of this. Hello Exley, Daryll, Hendler, Mighty and the like. Aren’t you the least bit offended that this drug peddler (or peddlee) has been allowed to be so close to the President. Imagine that Meth could have been on his hands when he shook hands with the President.
Surely if there is outrage and bad joke telling, there should be talk of lynching with a drug connected sinner.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmOh yes, of course, he bought it but never used it. Got a massage but never had sex with the gay male escort.
Somewhere, right now, Bill Clinton is laughing his ass off!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmWow, a blast from the past.
Cynicon Implant,
This guy talked with Bush every Monday.
Jeff Gannon visited the WHite House for overnight stays over 200 times.
Yes, this hurts the republcains, because it is becoming more clear than ever that Bush is a closeted gay.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmPay attention to the body language. It’s usually more telling than the verbal communication. After he finishes denying the reporter’s questions, he nods his head “yes”.
Take what you will from it, but an interrogator would jump on those subtleties.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmIt may seem queer…heh, I mean strange that with all of the Asian Female massuses (sp?) he could visit he picked a homosexual male prostitute who just so had a meth connection. WTF! C’mon Teddy. You are already in the shithouse, you don’t walk away from a million dollar table of gullible Christian theocrats to get a massage. Baby you did some really terrible shit to make you want to quit that game. (John Kerry is watching this unfold from his Nantucket, seaside living room smoking a joint and drinking Jamesons whiskey, and laughing his ass off!)
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:53 pm#54 HiB, As I said, I have no doubt that this Haggard guy is a sleaze on every level.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmCynicon Implant, Yes, this nutjob can go and have sex with whomever he wants. The reason it is news is that this man stands as a leader of deeply religious people claiming such things as homosexuality is a SIN and drugs are a SIN yet here he is the biggist HYPOCRITE you can find. Why do the evangelicals want to control what we can and cannot do and then do it themselves? This is BIG news. Bush talks to this guy regularily. This is BIG news.
Sorry to burst your implant.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmHellinabucket, notice that we haven’t heard from Daryll or Jason on this one. What on earth could they say to defend this? But I think that Exley’s just going to keep away from serious comment about this. Right, Ex, you’re not defending this guy, are you? BTW, I got the reference to Barry, Ex, pretty funny.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmIs this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
Yes.
This hate filled homophobic Christian is a weekly “advisor” to the hate filled Christian terrorist in the White House.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:56 pm#52….ahhhh, that’s better Exley. Thought we lost you to the “post and run” type.
As for the comparisons, I prefer the Lawrence Taylor arrest of buying crack myself.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:57 pm“This is BullSh*t! The futhermucker set me up”
Can you tell your troll buddies to get in synch then? They seem to want to support this sleave all the way to the bank.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:57 pmI have a feeling there is a lot more to this story. The guy has 5 kids ugh what a role model he is. What do you want to bet there will be more crap coming out of this story..misuse of $$$$, it always comes down to that with the repukes. He only saw this guy once a month..I’ll bet there are others.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmApparently it is completely normal and routine to buy methamphetamine from a gay prostitute with whom you are not going to have sex.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart — November 3, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
Heh.. Sounds like something off the Daily Show.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmWho cares whether this nutjob got a nutjob from some male prostitute?
Nobody.
Is this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
Yes.
I don’t get it… why is this on this website? Seems like something FOX would put on…
You serious? This guy has been in Bush’s back pocket for how long, with weekly concalls? How often do you have a concall with the President? This guy’s been heavily promoting the Republican agenda to promote gay marriage ban laws across the country. He’s the head of a 30-million member strong evangelical group that is virtually 100% Republican in their voting habits, all following the same set of talking points.
This guy is revealed as a hypocrite and fraud on a MASSIVE scale, one of a long line of pseudo-spiritual Republican hypocrites, perhaps leading evangelicals to re-think their alliance with satan… er… Bush… er… the Republican party…
And… you can’t figure out the significance?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:59 pmExley, I’d forgotten the bitch set me up line. Very funny.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmNothing wrong with getting a massage. Nothing wrong with being gay. Illegal to be buying an illegal drug. Not so good to take a drug that fries your brain on impact. What’s not good here is lying and deceiving your “flock” and the rest of the world. What’s not good is being gay and then turning on gays with the worst hate rhetoric on record. What’s really not good is that this man had a voice in the White House. May I ask what happened to the separation between church and state? I think we all know now that the White House Whore Jeff Gannon was brought in to perform sexual favors for these closet-queens. Let’s connect the dots right up to the top. Now I think we all know why everyone the republiscum party is so anti-gay, even BUSH. They’re are all nothing but a bunch of latent homosexuals. Shame on them for going overboard with their anti-gay AGENDA, an AGENDA they concocted to deflect attention from their own homosexuality. SHAME ON THEM. Gays are citizens of the United States and deserve equal rights just like everyone else. Maybe now the country will see she flim-flam artists for what they are. Maybe now the bigotry and hate will stop.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:01 pm#62, Oh, Jane, You wound me! How could you think I would be defending this creep???? Illegal drug use, hypocrisy, prostitution….Yick! The whole story is vile.
Thanks for getting the Barry refernce…But like I said, I guess the joke didn’t work…Oh well….
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:01 pmJohn Newsome is the elected District Attorney of El Paso and Teller Counties Colorado, this includes the city of Colorado Springs. It is his office that should handle looking into the criminal behavior which is being admitted to by both parties. I haven’t heard a peep from this guy and i cannot find out how to contact him.
Regardless of what was done with the purchased meth, buying meth and sell meth is a crime, period.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pm#60. I commend you on not attempting to defend this guy. Now don’t you agree that the President will need to make some public statement? This man is in meetings every Monday with the President and he has admitted to being involved with Meth. Where is the republican outrage?
Sure the man is sleaze and if the seedier details are true about the drug use and male prostitution this could damage this President far more than a badly executed joke.
Think about it. A closet gay and dope head having the ear of the president. And all before this weekend. I’m sure many churches will have some new topics.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmWith the radical ChristoNazis, just being within 15′ of a known homosexual is grounds for excommunication and eternity in hell… Haggard can consider himself kicked out of the club just for breathing the same air as one.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pm#69, Thanks, Yikes
#64, Awwww, the great LT!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmWhat kind of hotel would recomend a gay male prostitute for a massage? I thought he could stay in better hotels then that.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmCaught in the act, he pontificates -
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:08 pm“What are you going to believe?
The evidence and your own common sense?
Or my BS explanations?”
If horsecrap were legal tender, he’d be wealthy beyond all imagination!
A meat cylinder friction massage, administered to the lower colonic passage.
Comment by Ted’s Eight-Ball — November 3, 2006 @ 3:13 pm
Good one!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmNow, this wasn’t the pastor who was caught getting skull from one of his congregation while her children were in the back seat of the car, is it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmSince when does buying meth and enjoying the intimate touch of another man make someone a drug using homosexual?
Heroo of the day honors for the first person to find a record of ole Jerry boy hangin’ with Pastor butt munch!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2006/ 11/ 03/ falwell-never-met-haggard-kuo-has-contempt-for-evangelicals/ #more-11619
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmIf there is some kind of investigation into Haggard for the drugs/prostitution, they should only have to check his bank statements for withdrawals of $200 (the amount he paid Jones nearly 30 times). This shouldn’t be hard to verify.
Comment by eisenreich
Considering all Americans are being spied on I would say it will be extremely easy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmIs this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans? - - In politics, either someone, or something, helps you or hurts you. You think this helps?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmOK, now I get it. I was not aware of the connection to Bush. Sorry for not knowing this folks but I am not quite as obsessed with Bush as y’all are.
Seems like Bush getting spiritual guidance from this guys makes about as much sense as Clinton getting spiritual guidance from Jesse Jackson…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmEx, just wanted to be sure that you’re not THAT evil! ;-D
It’s the total hypocrisy (are we spelling that right?) that really bothers me, and it’s something that has always bothered me about supposedly religious Christians. I was raised Catholic, and observed from grammar school on that my fellow church-goers were pretty hypocritical regarding the basic ‘love thy neighbor’ stuff. In fact, just getting out of the parking lot right after mass seemed to be an experiment in avoiding the Golden Rule (everyone was trying to get out as quickly as possible to head to the local grocery for fresh-made crullers! Mmmm, crullers….drool…) My brother, sister and I pretty much gave up going to church as soon as we could, which was tough because my parents were EXTREMELY religious.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pm#73, HiB, To be honest, I have not been following this story all that closely. Did he have that much access to the president? If so, then yeah — The White House should say something. But I don’t think it is fair to tar the administration because this guy led a secret life of drug use and perversion. I mean, Dick “Foot Fetishist” Morris was one of Bill Clinton’s closet advisors. Morris’ rather bizarre tastes were not a reflection on Clinton.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmbadMoodRising
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmHelps them, definitely, if by helping you mean job placement services…After all, they are about to become unemployed…And massage is easy to learn!
#79
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm“getting skull”
Now that’s funny!
HOW DAMN STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE?
Comment by ggibson — November 3, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
I realized one day, after an encounter with our resident closeted gay, Jason, that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are, as they really have no ’smarter’ perspective from which to compare…
So, they actually are incapable of getting the fact that we see right through their nonsense and lies.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pmAnd for the record, it was just the tip, not the whole thing .. you know what I’m saying ??
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:16 pmFound proof of a Falwell / Haggard event.
The whole gang toghether with W…..
The Biblical Recorder reported that Falwell in his recent North Carolina appearance also bragged about a Nov. 5 meeting he had with President George W. Bush in Washington. Falwell, along with some 400 other Religious Right leaders and their allies, was invited to watch Bush sign a bill outlawing certain types of late-term abortions.
After the bill-signing, Falwell had a private meeting with Bush. (Others in attendance were Southern Baptist Convention President Jack Graham, former SBC president Adrian Rogers, Pat Robertson lawyer Jay Sekulow, rightwing Christian talk show host Janet Parshall, National Religious Broadcasters President Frank Wright, National Association of Evangelicals President Ted Haggard and Southern Baptist lobbyist Richard Land.)
http://www.findarticles.com/ p/ articles/ mi_qa3944/ is_200401/ ai_n9365307
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmWhen will the suckers who listen to these creeps and give them money wake up and see what the pontificating profiteers really are - greedy and damnable hypocrites.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmun - shhh, they might,,,oh, never mind…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pm#84, Jane…I understand the disgust with hypocrisy….I mean, this Haggard guy is the poster child for it…But I would caution against making sweeping generalizations that conclude all religious people are hypocrites. I would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives in a way that comports with the tenets of their faith.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pm#50
Who cares whether this nutjob got a nutjob from some male prostitute?
Is this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
I don’t get it… why is this on this website? Seems like something FOX would put on…
The right has decided to tie itself to religion. They’ve tried to make people believe that you have to be Republican to be a good Christian. They’ve used hatred of gays to win votes. Now it turns out that a Christian leader, tied to the White House, working to deliver votes for the Republican party, and using gay-bashing as a way to steer votes to the Republicans, is having a homosexual relationship. It’s hypocrisy on a massive scale in a year when the Republicans have elevated hypocrisy to an industry. They’re threatening to replace baseball with hypocrisy as a national pasttime. “Republican” and “hypocrite” are about to be listed as synonyms in Roget’s Thesaurus. Whatever it is the Republicans are accusing others of doing on any particular day, you can bet the house that it’s something they’re guilty of doing in spades.
Funny you should mention Fox. Apparently, they’re going out of their way to avoid covering it. That alone makes it newsworthy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pmunbelievable
I realized one day, after an encounter with our resident closeted gay, Jason, that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are
So now closeted gay people are stupid to you? How do you know he’s not just a huge Metro?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pm#83
Sorry for not knowing this folks but I am not quite as obsessed with Bush as y’all are.
Does it require “obsession” to actually read an article and understand its context prior to making a post about it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:23 pmThe link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org….php? storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmI realized one day, after an encounter with our resident closeted gay, Jason, that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are, as they really have no ’smarter’ perspective from which to compare…
I see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmAnother illustration of the difficulty for the Wingnuts: When you decide you are Holier than Thou, Thou thinks you REALLY should live by the standards you are imposing on everyone else. Then, when Holier is found to have really corrupt basic morals, creditability is lost every where and the House collapses of its own wieght. Ask Jimy Swaggert. Why does this story belong here? These are the ax handles that have been used by the Neocon Holy Ones to beat those of us of declared lessor moral standards. Suddenly, the Holy Ones are finding out that they too are mortal human beings, just like the rest of us, who need guidance, not righteousness. Ask Elmer Gantry.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmOnly 93 comments?! I thought the hate-fest would be going at full speed, with 300+ raging comments by now…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmhe’s got BOTH Clinton things going here: didn’t inhale, didn’t have sexual relations with that (wo)man… tisk tisk tisk… Clinton is the most evil man alive from a consternative point of view… and this guy’s one of them!!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmI would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives in a way that comports with the tenets of their faith.
Comment by Exley — November 3, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
More like the vast MINORITY.
I just found out today about a teacher who was fired last year for having a sexual relationship with a student starting from the time he was 14… And that another one is about to be caught… And that one of my student’s friends is dating a married coach.
I live in the Bible Belt. Moral my a$$…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:28 pmWhat does the fact that he is a Closet Gay have to do with being stupid?
That’s like saying,
I realized during a conversation with this African American person at work, that stupid people don’t realize how stupid they are.
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that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are, as they really have no ’smarter’ perspective from which to compare…
Yeah, You realize whenever anyone posts something with the typical “Democrats are so much smarter than” attitude, I am using this?
hehe
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmSo now closeted gay people are stupid to you? How do you know he’s not just a huge Metro?
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
Thanks for proving my point… Sheesh.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmI just found out today about a teacher who was fired last year for having a sexual relationship with a student starting from the time he was 14… And that another one is about to be caught… And that one of my student’s friends is dating a married coach.
Maybe it’s just teachers with the problems? You know you can’t trust them, I mean everyone does.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmEx, I’m not ’sweeping’, and I even know some very good religious people, but…it’s the organized religions themselves that I have a beef with. Too much power and influence in the hands of flawed, human men simply because of a belief system. Hey, that describes the Bush administration, too.
And on that note, I’m leaving–groceries don’t buy themselves, nor do 20-odd cats feed themselves! (I could almost wish for them to develop opposable thumbs, but that could get dangerous!)
BTW, thanks to any and all who have visited Wayne’s website and said nice things about both Wayne and me.
Gotta go, everyone have a good weekend!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmTo tell the truth, I feel pity for this guy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmArent these the same azzholes that have been calling us terrorist lovers?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:33 pm#100 Random Rightie
Only 93 comments?! I thought the hate-fest would be going at full speed, with 300+ raging comments by now…
Nah. There’s not that much to respond to. The trolls have stayed away from this one. It’s just too hard to defend the guy. Did you want to give it a shot?
No hate-fest. Just amusement.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmunbelievable
a teacher who was fired last year for having a sexual relationship with a student starting from the time he was 14
Wow, 14 is really young to be a teacher, he must be brillant.
Thanks for proving my point… Sheesh.
No prob, I always try to help.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmMorris’ rather bizarre tastes were not a reflection on Clinton.
Right. But as has been pointed out, Clinton and the Democrats don’t pretend to moral superiority, which is the unique domain of the Republicans.
If Repubs are going to wear their religion on their sleeves, and do their best to force-feed all of us with their righteousness, with their crap about Intelligent Design, hystrionics about embryonic stem cell research, hatred toward treating gays as equal human beings, prayer in schools, forcing a gigantic cross to be placed and kept on government property at the top of a mountain in San Diego, virulant abortion rhetoric, faith-based initiatives, conducting a crusade in Iraq, and on and on… well if you’re going to be so friggin’ holier-than-thou, then you’d better at least take responsibility for your own.
The Democratic approach to government generally speaking is secular in nature, even if every politician has to pretend to “have faith” to have any shot at all at getting votes.
The Christian flock needs to wake up and realize they’re being used by people in power - both Republican leaders and bible-thumping megachurch leaders. The real agenda is a combination of big money and fanatical neocon fascist power. WAKE UP! You have made the most heinous deal with the devil.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:36 pmI would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives in a way that comports with the tenets of their faith.
Comment by Exley
Yeah, and so do the rest of us non-believers too. We don’t need to be preached to, or at, or by one of these hypocrites. It pains me to see otherwise intelligent people be so gullible when it comes to organized religion and the corrupt and manipulative money machine that it is.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmBelieve whatever the heck you want to believe but shut up about it.
Didn’t Jesus admonish people to go into a closet to pray?
So preachers should get out of my face and out of my government.
Nah. There’s not that much to respond to. The trolls have stayed away from this one. It’s just too hard to defend the guy. Did you want to give it a shot?
Ooooh Ooooohhh Me,
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmI agree with the Democrats at TP who feel that anyone doing drugs or having homosexual sex should be publicly flogged.
Only 93 comments?! I thought the hate-fest would be going at full speed, with 300+ raging comments by now…
Comment by Random Rightie — November 3, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
You have mistaken hate for exuberance in the hope that these types of stories will bring down the power of these types of hypocritical, women and children killing, civil rights denying, earth polluting, warmongering scumbags.
Your welcome for the clarification.
No go steal a foodstamp from a baby and give it to an oil millionaire…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmI live in the Bible Belt. Moral my a$$…
Comment by unbelievable
If you repress your natural impulses, you will get obsessions. Religion is all about repressing.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmExely: I would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives
NEWS FLASH: The same is true for the vast majority of non-religious people.
The latter also generally do a better job of following the golden rule by not pontificating to the former.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm#106…Good night, Jane…Have a good weekend.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm[…] So now Haggard says he did buy crystal meth but didn’t use it. He also says there was no sex between him and the male prostitute, just a massage. Matt: “So he just bought the meth, looked at it, and they massaged each others backs? Hmm…” […]
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmI disagree with you people that Haggard is a hypocrite for being anti-gay marriage.
Look, if you are a family man who pays a gay hooker for sex on the side, the last thing you want is for the hooker to start demanding that you divorce your wife and marry him. Who needs that shit?
What’s so hypocritical about that?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmWhat does the fact that he is a Closet Gay have to do with being stupid?
Oh dear god, making me explain this just further proves my point about those who don’t get it.
Jason being in the closet has noting to do with im being stupid. Sheesh…
That’s like saying, I realized during a conversation with this African American person at work, that stupid people don’t realize how stupid they are.
No it’s not. The thread was about closeted gay people, and I simply referenced Jason as such so people would know who I was talking about.
Yeah, You realize whenever anyone posts something with the typical “Democrats are so much smarter than†attitude, I am using this?
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
That wasn’t at all what I said, and I am not a Democrat.
What, did all you Libertarians have lobotomies this last week for free?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pm#113 Tundra
Ooooh Ooooohhh Me,
I agree with the Democrats at TP who feel that anyone doing drugs or having homosexual sex should be publicly flogged.
No, just the enormous hypocrites. It’s not really that hard to understand, is it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmBelieve whatever the heck you want to believe but shut up about it.
So preachers should get out of my face and out of my government.
Comment by Marie
But the Bible says…the Bible says…the Bible says…whatever. Who cares what the Bible says? The best book Ive read is called Cien Años de Soledad and Im not saying: Oh, but Aureliano BuendÃa says…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmMaybe it’s just teachers with the problems? You know you can’t trust them, I mean everyone does.
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:31 pm
It’s not just the teachers here. I just happen to hear more about them, because that is what I do. Besides 4 or 5 teachers sleeping with students doesn’t spoil the entire 1600 in my county. Your absolutism is getting obnoxious.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pmIf you repress your natural impulses, you will get obsessions. Religion is all about repressing.
Comment by Juan C — November 3, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Does that mean that I am going to be an obsessive driver? I repress my natural urges to destroy those people that slide all the way up when a lane is closing. I really want to take my car and just push them in the ditch. Deep breath, Deep breath….
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm#107 One can feel pity for him, Juan, while also criticizing him for his transgressions.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmWhy would you be tempted to buy meth, if you’d never used it before in your life?
Plus, I don’t want to make generalizations, but there’s ad old saying that:
“if you haven’t used meth yet, you haven’t come out of the closet”
Plus why was he getting a massage from a guy, who turns out to be a male pro?
Rev. Liar: Would you care to rephrase your answer.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:46 pmWow, 14 is really young to be a teacher, he must be brillant.
The teacher was a she. The adjective clause in my sentance correctly followed what it referenced - the student, who was a he. You figure it out from there, Einstein..
No prob, I always try to help.
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Sure.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmBesides 4 or 5 teachers sleeping with students doesn’t spoil the entire 1600 in my county.
But that same percentage of religous zealots can spoil everyone who believes in God?
Your absolutism is getting obnoxious.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmMine? You made the statement about Bible Belt, no morals. I just offered up an alternative viewpoint on your statement, based solely on the information provided.
If you repress your natural impulses, you will get obsessions. Religion is all about repressing.
Comment by Juan C — November 3, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Excellent point. And true.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pm#73, HiB, To be honest, I have not been following this story all that closely. Did he have that much access to the president? If so, then yeah — The White House should say something. But I don’t think it is fair to tar the administration because this guy led a secret life of drug use and perversion. I mean, Dick “Foot Fetishist†Morris was one of Bill Clinton’s closet advisors. Morris’ rather bizarre tastes were not a reflection on Clinton.
Comment by Exley
Clinton doesnt pontificate.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmunbelievable
Jason being in the closet has noting to do with im being stupid. Sheesh…
So if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
What, did all you Libertarians have lobotomies this last week for free?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmIt was buy one get one free, so we split the cost.
So Exley, what type of statement from Bush would suffice?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmIt was buy one get one free, so we split the cost.
I had more to pay cause there was more to lose.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:50 pmI really want to take my car and just push them in the ditch. Deep breath, Deep breath….
Comment by Tundra
Exactly. You should get professional help. :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmas has been pointed out, Clinton and the Democrats don’t pretend to moral superiority, which is the unique domain of the Republicans.
Comment by gorn
gorn, you TPers must not count yourselves as Democrats because this site is rife with moral superiority.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmgorn, you TPers must not count yourselves as Democrats because this site is rife with moral superiority.
Gasp, You didn’t!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:52 pmMine? You made the statement about Bible Belt, no morals. I just offered up an alternative viewpoint on your statement, based solely on the information provided.
Comment by Tundra —
Buddy, I could bet that most of the people who supports the use of cluster bombs against civilians are religious people. Look at Exley. (He he :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:53 pmBut that same percentage of religous zealots can spoil everyone who believes in God?
What do you have a new girlfriend who is an Evangelical?
It’s more like 90% of the religious who are hypocrites - not 4 or 5.
Mine? You made the statement about Bible Belt, no morals. I just offered up an alternative viewpoint on your statement, based solely on the information provided.
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:47 pm
No you didn’t, you cut and pasted and then interpreted it to fit some meaning you wanted it to mean.
I didn’t say ‘no morals’… I said “Morals my a$$”. That’s not the same thing. Because, clearly, I live here, am a teacher, and am not dating or sleeping with a student. Sheesh.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmI could bet that most of the people who supports the use of cluster bombs against civilians are religious people.
?, I know alot of non-religous people who also happen to support the use of Cluster Bombs against civilians. It’s not their issue to own alone.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:56 pmOoooh Ooooohhh Me,
I agree with the Democrats at TP who feel that anyone doing drugs or having homosexual sex should be publicly flogged.
Comment by Tundra
Hehheeh look at that Tundra doesnt get it…
Being a rightwinger holier than YOU homosexual meth user is the problem. Otherwise he might just be a gay guy that tried meth.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:56 pm#135
gorn, you TPers must not count yourselves as Democrats because this site is rife with moral superiority.
Unlike the Republicans, TPers and Democrats aren’t the ones trying to make every election about “moral issues”. Unless you count hypocrisy as a moral issue.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmSo if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
No. It’s not the same. In your premise, the black person would have to be a member of the KKK who advocated eternal damnation for all blacks and constantly preached Christian ideals before it would be analogous… And then it would be that I was talking to this anti-black black person who preaches Christian ideals and it made me realize stuff about stupid people. Capsice?
It was buy one get one free, so we split the cost.
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
Heh
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmthis site is rife with moral superiority.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — November 3, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Reality has a liberal bias, after all…
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:00 pmI see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
Comment by Cynicon Implant — November 3, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
Who are you?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:00 pmI know alot of non-religous people who also happen to support the use of Cluster Bombs against civilians. It’s not their issue to own alone.
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:56 pm
I don’t buy that, but if I did - so what? That excuses the religious wackos who do? Fallacious logical. Try again.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmDoes anyone ever wonder at the trend: Evangelists turn out to be gay and doing drugs, priests turn out to be pedophiles, after boys… Just once I’d like to hear a story about a Priest or Evangelist who has a FEMALE prostitute.. or maybe just a mistress. Was Fallwell the last one who actually had a woman on the side?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmMuch like Clinton didn’t inhale, Haggard did actually inhale, but subsequently did not swallow. About the meth, that’s a whole other story.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmNext time one of these religious leaderships rails against homosexuals we should just automatically assume they are closeted queens who have so much guilt and shame for their natural tendencies they are pitiful.
I just wish they would keep their opinions to themselves. They’re hurting gays with their projections of self hatred.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:04 pmI see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
Comment by Cynicon Implant
Dad? Is that you?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmokay, let me get this straight. My wife and kids are out of town. If I go to the strip joint tonight and my wife finds out, I can pull a Teddy (Ha), and state “well yes,dear, I was at the strip bar, but I didn’t see any boobies!”
Will that fly?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmI know alot of non-religous people who also happen to support the use of Cluster Bombs against civilians.
Comment by Tundra
I really doubt that…but if you say so, Ok.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmCynicon Implant. You can try to pretend all you want, but we know who you are. You are just as obsessed, but in the glorifying kind of way. Just because you haven’t posted here in a while doesn’t mean we haven’t forgotten who you are.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmIt all makes sense now - no wonder Bush has screwed up the country. One of W’s spiritual advisors has been giving him advice while high on crystal meth. Bush is too stupid to question it!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmWill that fly?
Comment by DRxJ — November 3, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
About as well as pigs…
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:08 pmI see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
Comment by Cynicon Implant
I’d have to disagree, it seems a bit less fun then I remeber from back in the day.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:09 pmNext time one of these religious leaderships rails against homosexuals we should just automatically assume they are closeted queens who have so much guilt and shame for their natural tendencies they are pitiful.
Comment by bye bye GOP — November 3, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
You mean you don’t do that already? I have very little respect for any church official (of any church) who is regularly in the public eye. Most of the actual believers are fine. They are some of the best people I know, but something happens when you put on a frock or take up a position of leadership. Scrambles the brain along with the moral compass somehow.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmSo if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
What happened to my response to this asinine comment?
Your analogy is not the same. It would have to be a hypocritical black person who was against black people and was always spouting the Bible as a means for hurting other blacks. See the difference?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:12 pmAnd Tundra likes cluster bombs so much, he capitolized the name. Way to go! Go team terror.
Anybody else find it insteresting that we haven’t seen Tundra or Cynicon Implant in months and they both show up to talk about a gay guy?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:13 pmSpudge, at least I made an impression on you. The others don’t seem to know me. I feel so small.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:13 pm#132 HiB….I have no idea…I don’t know how much status or influence this guy had at the WH (I would think very little)….Maybe a statement that combinations a mild castigation and sense of disappointment, along with an expression of sympathy to his family…But like I said, I really don’t know much about this story.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:14 pmOh yeah, I forgot to mention that squeegeeboo hasn’t been here in months either, but felt compelled to come and talk about a meth addicted homosexual Christofacist.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:14 pmTo not know your enemy would leave you as bad at war as Bush is.
Although you were never as bad as Jason M Hendler or Daryll. I seem to remember you actually discussing stuff from time to time.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:16 pmBut like I said, I really don’t know much about this story.
Comment by Exley
Oh, yes, yo do, Encyclopaedia man! :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 pm“Ted Haggard is a friend of mine, and it appears someone is trying to damage his reputation as a way of influencing the outcome of Tuesday’s election — especially the vote on Colorado’s marriage-protection amendment, which Ted strongly supports,” said James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, also based in Colorado Springs.
Haggard, who is often credited with rallying conservative Christians behind U.S. President George Bush for his 2004 re-election, talks to Bush or his advisers every week, according to Harper’s.
The press outta ask Bush who he’s been diddling…Jeff Gannon? He always had a thing for the bald guys. And who’se hiding in James Dobson’s closet? Enquiring minds want to know!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmSpudgeBoy
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that squeegeeboo hasn’t been here in months either, but felt compelled to come and talk about a meth addicted homosexual Christofacist.
First off, Tundra has been back for a while, because he’s been harrassing me about getting back in for at least a few weeks now, second off, I fell off the wagon in the Nuclear(the S is silent) and Think Fast threads, then moved over hear. But you figured me out, meth addicted homosexual Christofacists are the main reason that keeps me going.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:18 pmAnybody else find it insteresting that we haven’t seen Tundra or Cynicon Implant in months and they both show up to talk about a gay guy?
Comment by SpudgeBoy
That was funny, but squeegee can get jelous.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:19 pmDont worry, Squeegee…it was ONLY a massage. :)
My posts are being eaten.
I’ve tried five time to debunk SpongeBob’s nonsense and bad analogy, but none of them have shown up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmAt least you can find humor. I like you much better than the new breed of trools. They are just so dang up tight. And religious like a MFer.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:23 pmWhy aren’t my posts getting posted?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:23 pmExley, the man had a weekly phone meeting with the president and/or his advisors. Every Monday. That’s a connection. That’s into the oval office. This is going to hurt the Republicans big time for a long time to come. A Hypocrite pushing faith at the pulpit and scoring dope in the shadows. Where does this fall with the Family Values crowd?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:24 pm#161…Nah, not this time, Juan…I never heard of this dude before TP started covering this story…Seems like a pretty sleazy and messed up guy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmSpudgeBoy
At least you can find humor. I like you much better than the new breed of trools. They are just so dang up tight. And religious like a MFer.
Thanks, with how the ‘Conservatives’ have been doing recently(last 4 years) it’s all I’ve got left
Juan C
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmThat was funny, but squeegee can get jelous.
Dont worry, Squeegee…it was ONLY a massage. :)
Why not just ask to show us on the doll were the prostitute touched him?
OH MY GAWD!!!!
That has to be the most hysterically funny thing I have ever witnessed. I have seen 4 years olds with dogs braking the table lamp excuses and dissembling that are more sincere than this.
But hey.. he didn’t admit to what parts of him he got a massage from said male hooker so… it is all them thar evil libruls smearing a gawd fearin&#