Haggard says he bought meth from male prostitute.
By on Nov 3rd, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Haggard says he bought meth from male prostitute.
The right-wing evangelist also acknowledged that he received a massage from the prostitute, but denied that they had sex. Haggard said he never used the drugs.
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The link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org….php? storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmshouldn’t that be massage?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmGolly! Looks like Jesus approves.
Funny how every hate filled homophobe Christian Republican is nothing but a god damned crook and a liar, huh?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pma message or a mAssage???It really help us out if the TP post Originators can spell correctly…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmHe got a massage… right…. and he bought drugs, obviously more than once, but threw it away… right… I feel another “I have sinned” moment coming on!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmIs that a pic of him with the GAY prostitute? Looks like W!!!! Shocker!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmhe has now, at the very best, OJ’ed himself forever.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmHmmm where is Bush’s right hand in this picture ?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:12 pmThe butch set him up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:12 pm#1 – I believe it was a massage. A meat cylinder friction massage, administered to the lower colonic passage.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmAnd as usual, the Christian sheep defend their master
> “It’s political, right before the elections,” said Brian
> Boals, a New Life member for 17 years.
Yeah, a three-year-long hot homosex fling with a male hooker is some how nothing but a campaign event. And the Christian f*ks continue to follow their god damned hypocrit masters.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmCNN Video here on youtube
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzoHI_aQ_w
he bought the meth, but he didn’t inhale…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pmApparently it is completely normal and routine to buy methamphetamine from a gay prostitute with whom you are not going to have sex.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmKeep Digging Haggard!!
Amusing how this Christian monster only admits to what he thinks his hooker can prove with evidence his hooker might have retained. The Christian monster is probably up all night trying to decide just how much evidence his hooker has on him and how much to admit to before it’s all made public.
And this monster’s sheep bleat about how their master’s exposure of being a hypocritical and typical Christian hate mongering homopbobe is all some how related to the election cycle.
Anyone _still_ think the religious are anything but completely and utterly insane?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pm“I bought it for myself but never used it,” he said. “I was tempted, but I never used it.”
Oh, sure. I buy all my drugs from prostitutes and then never use them. First he denied knowing the guy at all, let alone having paid for sex and/or drugs. Then he admitted having bought drugs from him, but he’s denying the sex. After having spent all this time around Republicans, hasn’t he learned that coming completely clean first is always better in the long run? It’s no guarantee that you won’t still be in trouble, but you’ll be in far less trouble if the entire story doesn’t have to come out in dribs and drabs. (I suppose I can’t rule out him claiming that Satan made him do it.)
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmthis was a compromise confession… he rightly figures that his fellow religious righties will see drugs as a less severe sin than homosexuality… and he’ll probably say he was “drunk” when he took that massage…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmokay, I get it.
Buying drugs:NOT SO GOOD
Not using bought drugs:OKAY
Massage from gay prostitute:NOT SO GOOD
Not having sex with gay prostitute:OKAY
two questions to ask all the Teddy supporters (Daryll, I’m talking directly to you)
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmWhy would one, who preaches against homosexuality, receive a massage from a known male prostitute?
Why would one, who preaches about “values”, purchase an illegal substance to “experiment”?
“Only bought it one time”
=
“Honest, officer, I only had two beers!”
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmThe homophobic Christian thinks it’s a big joke
Look at that god damned Christian monster laughing all the way through the interview. He’s got a big grin on his face, knowing that the money will continue to roll in from the god damned ignorant fc*kn sheep who will continue to follow their homosexual leader despite all evidence.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmOh yeah suuuure he was set up? right! They sure set him up by forcing him to ask for meth over the phone omg! This pastor isn’t hypocritical like the rest of the repubs are …he’s against gay marriage because he’s totally all about gay promiscuity! He likes them “messages” from single gay guys rather than ones who are committed.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmDRxJ
two questions to ask all the Teddy supporters (Daryll, I’m talking directly to you)
Why would one, who preaches against homosexuality, receive a massage from a known male prostitute?
Why would one, who preaches about “valuesâ€, purchase an illegal substance to “experimentâ€?
Know thy Enemy?
It’s got a ‘thy’ in it, so it’s got to be biblical, so Jebus approves.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:22 pm#18. Now that’s funny!!!!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmSo he paid this man for both sex and drugs, but did not have sex and did not use the drugs? Ladies and gentleman, we’re about a see if the limit of what a wingnut is willing to believe can be stretched even farther than was previously thought…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmI would like to hear from ALL right wingers … Who HAS and who HAS NOT let a gay prostitute massage them before?
WHERE do you stand?
WHO do you believe?
HOW DAMN STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmThe butch set him up.
Comment by Exley — November 3, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
Is this a namejack?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmOMG, this is way better than “I didn’t inhale”.
I bought the drugs, I wanted to see what they looked like! Then I threw them away? Queue up lie number two, I contacted a male prostitute via RentBoy.com in order to get a str8 massage.
Dude, I dare you to put your hand on the Bible and say that stuff. This will prove you’re not even a Christian.
Good Lord, what a bunch of blow that is.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:31 pmHaggard didn’t have gay sex with a man in Denver…but Boulder? All bets are off.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmHe said he only bought meth once – then he said -
“I never kept it for a long time”
Given its addictive qualities, I bet he snorted it right away, so yeah I bet he didn’t keep it for very long.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 pm#31 DRxJ, Nope….It’s Mets fan Exley.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmUh huh. And Clinton didn’t inhale. Pfffffft. This doesn’t pass the laugh test.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pm1. Why is Haggard saying he only bought Meth once from Jones once (then threw it away without using it), when his voice message says “Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply.”
‘More’ usually implies more than once..
2. If there is some kind of investigation into Haggard for the drugs/prostitution, they should only have to check his bank statements for withdrawals of $200 (the amount he paid Jones nearly 30 times). This shouldn’t be hard to verify.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:34 pm“I don’t see why Haggard is so upset. He didn’t marry the guy, he just had some one-night stands,” – Beliefnet reader, explaining why Haggard wasn’t really a hypocrite. – - ROFL!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmCNN Video here on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzoHI_aQ_w
Comment by joewo
Oh man. That was soo terrible.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmWow, this just gets worse and worse. His story keeps changing and it keeps getting seedier. Imagine what he’ll be saying tomorrow.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
The meth part of the story rings true to me. It’s what extremely conflicted and sometimes desperately lonely gay men resort to in order to facilitate their self-destruction, and leave behind any sexual inhibitions derived from crushing guilt.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm“I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver”
I love those non-denial denials.
How about Aspen, Mr. Haggard? Boulder?
And how about out-of-state trysts? California? Nevada?
Should we list all the possible places in the world for you?
What a sleaze…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmHe said he only bought it once but didn’t use it, threw it away. But in his voicemail he says he wants to get some more. What’s wrong with that picture?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pm[...] ThinkProgress has Ted Haggard’s most recent comments on Mike Jones’ accusations. [...]
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pm“I didn’t inhale.”
“I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
Hmm…Haggard’s comments are just about as believable.
The pastor doth protest too much methinks.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pm#35
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmNahhhh, can’t be “the” Exley, as he does post better thought out, albeit misguided, paragraphs.
and butch is a derogatory label for a male looking lesbian.
Who cares whether this nutjob got a nutjob from some male prostitute?
Is this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
I don’t get it… why is this on this website? Seems like something FOX would put on…
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pmBuying meth form a gay male prostitute = $100
Getting a back rub from a gay male prostitute = $50
Having sex with a gay male prostitute = $200
Being an anti-gay gay Christian leader of 30 million = Priceless
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:47 pm#47 Hey DrxJ, Nah, it’s me….I was trying to do a parody of D.C. Mayor Marion Barry’s famous line when he was caught on video in an FBI sting operation smoking crack cocaine with a woman (not his wife) at the Vista Hotel. The incident — played over and over on cable television — produced what is perhaps the most memorable quote of Barry’s long career: “The bitch set me up.”
I guess the joke didn’t work….
I have no doubt that this Haggard guy is a sleaze on every level.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmThe term you are looking for is “Power Top” WHich of course would make Ted Haggard the “Power Bottom”
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmWhat does the President have to say about this. Is he going to demand an apology from someone who bought Meth and sat in with him every Monday. What an outrage! The gay sex and the actually taking the drug will come out as this drags on (ohh yes my republican friends this will drag on) but here is a man who is allowed in the inner circle of the President and is committing criminal acts in purchasing DRUGS.
There is no way any red blooded american Republican should stand for any of this. Hello Exley, Daryll, Hendler, Mighty and the like. Aren’t you the least bit offended that this drug peddler (or peddlee) has been allowed to be so close to the President. Imagine that Meth could have been on his hands when he shook hands with the President.
Surely if there is outrage and bad joke telling, there should be talk of lynching with a drug connected sinner.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmOh yes, of course, he bought it but never used it. Got a massage but never had sex with the gay male escort.
Somewhere, right now, Bill Clinton is laughing his ass off!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmWow, a blast from the past.
Cynicon Implant,
This guy talked with Bush every Monday.
Jeff Gannon visited the WHite House for overnight stays over 200 times.
Yes, this hurts the republcains, because it is becoming more clear than ever that Bush is a closeted gay.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmPay attention to the body language. It’s usually more telling than the verbal communication. After he finishes denying the reporter’s questions, he nods his head “yes”.
Take what you will from it, but an interrogator would jump on those subtleties.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmIt may seem queer…heh, I mean strange that with all of the Asian Female massuses (sp?) he could visit he picked a homosexual male prostitute who just so had a meth connection. WTF! C’mon Teddy. You are already in the shithouse, you don’t walk away from a million dollar table of gullible Christian theocrats to get a massage. Baby you did some really terrible shit to make you want to quit that game. (John Kerry is watching this unfold from his Nantucket, seaside living room smoking a joint and drinking Jamesons whiskey, and laughing his ass off!)
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:53 pm#54 HiB, As I said, I have no doubt that this Haggard guy is a sleaze on every level.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmCynicon Implant, Yes, this nutjob can go and have sex with whomever he wants. The reason it is news is that this man stands as a leader of deeply religious people claiming such things as homosexuality is a SIN and drugs are a SIN yet here he is the biggist HYPOCRITE you can find. Why do the evangelicals want to control what we can and cannot do and then do it themselves? This is BIG news. Bush talks to this guy regularily. This is BIG news.
Sorry to burst your implant.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmHellinabucket, notice that we haven’t heard from Daryll or Jason on this one. What on earth could they say to defend this? But I think that Exley’s just going to keep away from serious comment about this. Right, Ex, you’re not defending this guy, are you? BTW, I got the reference to Barry, Ex, pretty funny.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmIs this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
Yes.
This hate filled homophobic Christian is a weekly “advisor” to the hate filled Christian terrorist in the White House.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:56 pm#52….ahhhh, that’s better Exley. Thought we lost you to the “post and run” type.
As for the comparisons, I prefer the Lawrence Taylor arrest of buying crack myself.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:57 pm“This is BullSh*t! The futhermucker set me up”
Can you tell your troll buddies to get in synch then? They seem to want to support this sleave all the way to the bank.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:57 pmI have a feeling there is a lot more to this story. The guy has 5 kids ugh what a role model he is. What do you want to bet there will be more crap coming out of this story..misuse of $$$$, it always comes down to that with the repukes. He only saw this guy once a month..I’ll bet there are others.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmApparently it is completely normal and routine to buy methamphetamine from a gay prostitute with whom you are not going to have sex.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart — November 3, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
Heh.. Sounds like something off the Daily Show.
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmWho cares whether this nutjob got a nutjob from some male prostitute?
Nobody.
Is this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
Yes.
I don’t get it… why is this on this website? Seems like something FOX would put on…
You serious? This guy has been in Bush’s back pocket for how long, with weekly concalls? How often do you have a concall with the President? This guy’s been heavily promoting the Republican agenda to promote gay marriage ban laws across the country. He’s the head of a 30-million member strong evangelical group that is virtually 100% Republican in their voting habits, all following the same set of talking points.
This guy is revealed as a hypocrite and fraud on a MASSIVE scale, one of a long line of pseudo-spiritual Republican hypocrites, perhaps leading evangelicals to re-think their alliance with satan… er… Bush… er… the Republican party…
And… you can’t figure out the significance?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:59 pmExley, I’d forgotten the bitch set me up line. Very funny.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmNothing wrong with getting a massage. Nothing wrong with being gay. Illegal to be buying an illegal drug. Not so good to take a drug that fries your brain on impact. What’s not good here is lying and deceiving your “flock” and the rest of the world. What’s not good is being gay and then turning on gays with the worst hate rhetoric on record. What’s really not good is that this man had a voice in the White House. May I ask what happened to the separation between church and state? I think we all know now that the White House Whore Jeff Gannon was brought in to perform sexual favors for these closet-queens. Let’s connect the dots right up to the top. Now I think we all know why everyone the republiscum party is so anti-gay, even BUSH. They’re are all nothing but a bunch of latent homosexuals. Shame on them for going overboard with their anti-gay AGENDA, an AGENDA they concocted to deflect attention from their own homosexuality. SHAME ON THEM. Gays are citizens of the United States and deserve equal rights just like everyone else. Maybe now the country will see she flim-flam artists for what they are. Maybe now the bigotry and hate will stop.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:01 pm#62, Oh, Jane, You wound me! How could you think I would be defending this creep???? Illegal drug use, hypocrisy, prostitution….Yick! The whole story is vile.
Thanks for getting the Barry refernce…But like I said, I guess the joke didn’t work…Oh well….
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:01 pmJohn Newsome is the elected District Attorney of El Paso and Teller Counties Colorado, this includes the city of Colorado Springs. It is his office that should handle looking into the criminal behavior which is being admitted to by both parties. I haven’t heard a peep from this guy and i cannot find out how to contact him.
Regardless of what was done with the purchased meth, buying meth and sell meth is a crime, period.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pm#60. I commend you on not attempting to defend this guy. Now don’t you agree that the President will need to make some public statement? This man is in meetings every Monday with the President and he has admitted to being involved with Meth. Where is the republican outrage?
Sure the man is sleaze and if the seedier details are true about the drug use and male prostitution this could damage this President far more than a badly executed joke.
Think about it. A closet gay and dope head having the ear of the president. And all before this weekend. I’m sure many churches will have some new topics.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmWith the radical ChristoNazis, just being within 15′ of a known homosexual is grounds for excommunication and eternity in hell… Haggard can consider himself kicked out of the club just for breathing the same air as one.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 pm#69, Thanks, Yikes
#64, Awwww, the great LT!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmWhat kind of hotel would recomend a gay male prostitute for a massage? I thought he could stay in better hotels then that.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmCaught in the act, he pontificates -
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:08 pm“What are you going to believe?
The evidence and your own common sense?
Or my BS explanations?”
If horsecrap were legal tender, he’d be wealthy beyond all imagination!
A meat cylinder friction massage, administered to the lower colonic passage.
Comment by Ted’s Eight-Ball — November 3, 2006 @ 3:13 pm
Good one!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmNow, this wasn’t the pastor who was caught getting skull from one of his congregation while her children were in the back seat of the car, is it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmSince when does buying meth and enjoying the intimate touch of another man make someone a drug using homosexual?
Heroo of the day honors for the first person to find a record of ole Jerry boy hangin’ with Pastor butt munch!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/03/falwell-never-met-haggard-kuo-has-contempt-for-evangelicals/#more-11619
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmIf there is some kind of investigation into Haggard for the drugs/prostitution, they should only have to check his bank statements for withdrawals of $200 (the amount he paid Jones nearly 30 times). This shouldn’t be hard to verify.
Comment by eisenreich
Considering all Americans are being spied on I would say it will be extremely easy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmIs this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans? – - In politics, either someone, or something, helps you or hurts you. You think this helps?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmOK, now I get it. I was not aware of the connection to Bush. Sorry for not knowing this folks but I am not quite as obsessed with Bush as y’all are.
Seems like Bush getting spiritual guidance from this guys makes about as much sense as Clinton getting spiritual guidance from Jesse Jackson…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmEx, just wanted to be sure that you’re not THAT evil! ;-D
It’s the total hypocrisy (are we spelling that right?) that really bothers me, and it’s something that has always bothered me about supposedly religious Christians. I was raised Catholic, and observed from grammar school on that my fellow church-goers were pretty hypocritical regarding the basic ‘love thy neighbor’ stuff. In fact, just getting out of the parking lot right after mass seemed to be an experiment in avoiding the Golden Rule (everyone was trying to get out as quickly as possible to head to the local grocery for fresh-made crullers! Mmmm, crullers….drool…) My brother, sister and I pretty much gave up going to church as soon as we could, which was tough because my parents were EXTREMELY religious.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pm#73, HiB, To be honest, I have not been following this story all that closely. Did he have that much access to the president? If so, then yeah — The White House should say something. But I don’t think it is fair to tar the administration because this guy led a secret life of drug use and perversion. I mean, Dick “Foot Fetishist” Morris was one of Bill Clinton’s closet advisors. Morris’ rather bizarre tastes were not a reflection on Clinton.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmbadMoodRising
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmHelps them, definitely, if by helping you mean job placement services…After all, they are about to become unemployed…And massage is easy to learn!
#79
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm“getting skull”
Now that’s funny!
HOW DAMN STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE?
Comment by ggibson — November 3, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
I realized one day, after an encounter with our resident closeted gay, Jason, that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are, as they really have no ’smarter’ perspective from which to compare…
So, they actually are incapable of getting the fact that we see right through their nonsense and lies.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pmAnd for the record, it was just the tip, not the whole thing .. you know what I’m saying ??
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:16 pmFound proof of a Falwell / Haggard event.
The whole gang toghether with W…..
The Biblical Recorder reported that Falwell in his recent North Carolina appearance also bragged about a Nov. 5 meeting he had with President George W. Bush in Washington. Falwell, along with some 400 other Religious Right leaders and their allies, was invited to watch Bush sign a bill outlawing certain types of late-term abortions.
After the bill-signing, Falwell had a private meeting with Bush. (Others in attendance were Southern Baptist Convention President Jack Graham, former SBC president Adrian Rogers, Pat Robertson lawyer Jay Sekulow, rightwing Christian talk show host Janet Parshall, National Religious Broadcasters President Frank Wright, National Association of Evangelicals President Ted Haggard and Southern Baptist lobbyist Richard Land.)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3944/is_200401/ai_n9365307
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmWhen will the suckers who listen to these creeps and give them money wake up and see what the pontificating profiteers really are – greedy and damnable hypocrites.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmun – shhh, they might,,,oh, never mind…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pm#84, Jane…I understand the disgust with hypocrisy….I mean, this Haggard guy is the poster child for it…But I would caution against making sweeping generalizations that conclude all religious people are hypocrites. I would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives in a way that comports with the tenets of their faith.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pm#50
Who cares whether this nutjob got a nutjob from some male prostitute?
Is this somehow supposed to hurt the Republicans?
I don’t get it… why is this on this website? Seems like something FOX would put on…
The right has decided to tie itself to religion. They’ve tried to make people believe that you have to be Republican to be a good Christian. They’ve used hatred of gays to win votes. Now it turns out that a Christian leader, tied to the White House, working to deliver votes for the Republican party, and using gay-bashing as a way to steer votes to the Republicans, is having a homosexual relationship. It’s hypocrisy on a massive scale in a year when the Republicans have elevated hypocrisy to an industry. They’re threatening to replace baseball with hypocrisy as a national pasttime. “Republican” and “hypocrite” are about to be listed as synonyms in Roget’s Thesaurus. Whatever it is the Republicans are accusing others of doing on any particular day, you can bet the house that it’s something they’re guilty of doing in spades.
Funny you should mention Fox. Apparently, they’re going out of their way to avoid covering it. That alone makes it newsworthy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pmunbelievable
I realized one day, after an encounter with our resident closeted gay, Jason, that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are
So now closeted gay people are stupid to you? How do you know he’s not just a huge Metro?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:22 pm#83
Sorry for not knowing this folks but I am not quite as obsessed with Bush as y’all are.
Does it require “obsession” to actually read an article and understand its context prior to making a post about it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:23 pmThe link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org….php? storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmI realized one day, after an encounter with our resident closeted gay, Jason, that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are, as they really have no ’smarter’ perspective from which to compare…
I see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmAnother illustration of the difficulty for the Wingnuts: When you decide you are Holier than Thou, Thou thinks you REALLY should live by the standards you are imposing on everyone else. Then, when Holier is found to have really corrupt basic morals, creditability is lost every where and the House collapses of its own wieght. Ask Jimy Swaggert. Why does this story belong here? These are the ax handles that have been used by the Neocon Holy Ones to beat those of us of declared lessor moral standards. Suddenly, the Holy Ones are finding out that they too are mortal human beings, just like the rest of us, who need guidance, not righteousness. Ask Elmer Gantry.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmOnly 93 comments?! I thought the hate-fest would be going at full speed, with 300+ raging comments by now…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmhe’s got BOTH Clinton things going here: didn’t inhale, didn’t have sexual relations with that (wo)man… tisk tisk tisk… Clinton is the most evil man alive from a consternative point of view… and this guy’s one of them!!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmI would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives in a way that comports with the tenets of their faith.
Comment by Exley — November 3, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
More like the vast MINORITY.
I just found out today about a teacher who was fired last year for having a sexual relationship with a student starting from the time he was 14… And that another one is about to be caught… And that one of my student’s friends is dating a married coach.
I live in the Bible Belt. Moral my a$$…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:28 pmWhat does the fact that he is a Closet Gay have to do with being stupid?
That’s like saying,
I realized during a conversation with this African American person at work, that stupid people don’t realize how stupid they are.
———————————————————————————————-
that it’s truly not possible for a stupid person to understand how stupid they are, as they really have no ’smarter’ perspective from which to compare…
Yeah, You realize whenever anyone posts something with the typical “Democrats are so much smarter than” attitude, I am using this?
hehe
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmSo now closeted gay people are stupid to you? How do you know he’s not just a huge Metro?
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
Thanks for proving my point… Sheesh.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmI just found out today about a teacher who was fired last year for having a sexual relationship with a student starting from the time he was 14… And that another one is about to be caught… And that one of my student’s friends is dating a married coach.
Maybe it’s just teachers with the problems? You know you can’t trust them, I mean everyone does.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmEx, I’m not ’sweeping’, and I even know some very good religious people, but…it’s the organized religions themselves that I have a beef with. Too much power and influence in the hands of flawed, human men simply because of a belief system. Hey, that describes the Bush administration, too.
And on that note, I’m leaving–groceries don’t buy themselves, nor do 20-odd cats feed themselves! (I could almost wish for them to develop opposable thumbs, but that could get dangerous!)
BTW, thanks to any and all who have visited Wayne’s website and said nice things about both Wayne and me.
Gotta go, everyone have a good weekend!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmTo tell the truth, I feel pity for this guy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmArent these the same azzholes that have been calling us terrorist lovers?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:33 pm#100 Random Rightie
Only 93 comments?! I thought the hate-fest would be going at full speed, with 300+ raging comments by now…
Nah. There’s not that much to respond to. The trolls have stayed away from this one. It’s just too hard to defend the guy. Did you want to give it a shot?
No hate-fest. Just amusement.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmunbelievable
a teacher who was fired last year for having a sexual relationship with a student starting from the time he was 14
Wow, 14 is really young to be a teacher, he must be brillant.
Thanks for proving my point… Sheesh.
No prob, I always try to help.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmMorris’ rather bizarre tastes were not a reflection on Clinton.
Right. But as has been pointed out, Clinton and the Democrats don’t pretend to moral superiority, which is the unique domain of the Republicans.
If Repubs are going to wear their religion on their sleeves, and do their best to force-feed all of us with their righteousness, with their crap about Intelligent Design, hystrionics about embryonic stem cell research, hatred toward treating gays as equal human beings, prayer in schools, forcing a gigantic cross to be placed and kept on government property at the top of a mountain in San Diego, virulant abortion rhetoric, faith-based initiatives, conducting a crusade in Iraq, and on and on… well if you’re going to be so friggin’ holier-than-thou, then you’d better at least take responsibility for your own.
The Democratic approach to government generally speaking is secular in nature, even if every politician has to pretend to “have faith” to have any shot at all at getting votes.
The Christian flock needs to wake up and realize they’re being used by people in power – both Republican leaders and bible-thumping megachurch leaders. The real agenda is a combination of big money and fanatical neocon fascist power. WAKE UP! You have made the most heinous deal with the devil.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:36 pmI would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives in a way that comports with the tenets of their faith.
Comment by Exley
Yeah, and so do the rest of us non-believers too. We don’t need to be preached to, or at, or by one of these hypocrites. It pains me to see otherwise intelligent people be so gullible when it comes to organized religion and the corrupt and manipulative money machine that it is.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmBelieve whatever the heck you want to believe but shut up about it.
Didn’t Jesus admonish people to go into a closet to pray?
So preachers should get out of my face and out of my government.
Nah. There’s not that much to respond to. The trolls have stayed away from this one. It’s just too hard to defend the guy. Did you want to give it a shot?
Ooooh Ooooohhh Me,
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmI agree with the Democrats at TP who feel that anyone doing drugs or having homosexual sex should be publicly flogged.
Only 93 comments?! I thought the hate-fest would be going at full speed, with 300+ raging comments by now…
Comment by Random Rightie — November 3, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
You have mistaken hate for exuberance in the hope that these types of stories will bring down the power of these types of hypocritical, women and children killing, civil rights denying, earth polluting, warmongering scumbags.
Your welcome for the clarification.
No go steal a foodstamp from a baby and give it to an oil millionaire…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmI live in the Bible Belt. Moral my a$$…
Comment by unbelievable
If you repress your natural impulses, you will get obsessions. Religion is all about repressing.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmExely: I would guess that the vast majority of religious people do their best to live decent, moral lives
NEWS FLASH: The same is true for the vast majority of non-religious people.
The latter also generally do a better job of following the golden rule by not pontificating to the former.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm#106…Good night, Jane…Have a good weekend.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm[...] So now Haggard says he did buy crystal meth but didn’t use it. He also says there was no sex between him and the male prostitute, just a massage. Matt: “So he just bought the meth, looked at it, and they massaged each others backs? Hmm…” [...]
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmI disagree with you people that Haggard is a hypocrite for being anti-gay marriage.
Look, if you are a family man who pays a gay hooker for sex on the side, the last thing you want is for the hooker to start demanding that you divorce your wife and marry him. Who needs that shit?
What’s so hypocritical about that?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmWhat does the fact that he is a Closet Gay have to do with being stupid?
Oh dear god, making me explain this just further proves my point about those who don’t get it.
Jason being in the closet has noting to do with im being stupid. Sheesh…
That’s like saying, I realized during a conversation with this African American person at work, that stupid people don’t realize how stupid they are.
No it’s not. The thread was about closeted gay people, and I simply referenced Jason as such so people would know who I was talking about.
Yeah, You realize whenever anyone posts something with the typical “Democrats are so much smarter than†attitude, I am using this?
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
That wasn’t at all what I said, and I am not a Democrat.
What, did all you Libertarians have lobotomies this last week for free?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pm#113 Tundra
Ooooh Ooooohhh Me,
I agree with the Democrats at TP who feel that anyone doing drugs or having homosexual sex should be publicly flogged.
No, just the enormous hypocrites. It’s not really that hard to understand, is it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmBelieve whatever the heck you want to believe but shut up about it.
So preachers should get out of my face and out of my government.
Comment by Marie
But the Bible says…the Bible says…the Bible says…whatever. Who cares what the Bible says? The best book Ive read is called Cien Años de Soledad and Im not saying: Oh, but Aureliano BuendÃa says…
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmMaybe it’s just teachers with the problems? You know you can’t trust them, I mean everyone does.
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:31 pm
It’s not just the teachers here. I just happen to hear more about them, because that is what I do. Besides 4 or 5 teachers sleeping with students doesn’t spoil the entire 1600 in my county. Your absolutism is getting obnoxious.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pmIf you repress your natural impulses, you will get obsessions. Religion is all about repressing.
Comment by Juan C — November 3, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Does that mean that I am going to be an obsessive driver? I repress my natural urges to destroy those people that slide all the way up when a lane is closing. I really want to take my car and just push them in the ditch. Deep breath, Deep breath….
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm#107 One can feel pity for him, Juan, while also criticizing him for his transgressions.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmWhy would you be tempted to buy meth, if you’d never used it before in your life?
Plus, I don’t want to make generalizations, but there’s ad old saying that:
“if you haven’t used meth yet, you haven’t come out of the closet”
Plus why was he getting a massage from a guy, who turns out to be a male pro?
Rev. Liar: Would you care to rephrase your answer.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:46 pmWow, 14 is really young to be a teacher, he must be brillant.
The teacher was a she. The adjective clause in my sentance correctly followed what it referenced – the student, who was a he. You figure it out from there, Einstein..
No prob, I always try to help.
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Sure.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmBesides 4 or 5 teachers sleeping with students doesn’t spoil the entire 1600 in my county.
But that same percentage of religous zealots can spoil everyone who believes in God?
Your absolutism is getting obnoxious.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmMine? You made the statement about Bible Belt, no morals. I just offered up an alternative viewpoint on your statement, based solely on the information provided.
If you repress your natural impulses, you will get obsessions. Religion is all about repressing.
Comment by Juan C — November 3, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Excellent point. And true.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pm#73, HiB, To be honest, I have not been following this story all that closely. Did he have that much access to the president? If so, then yeah — The White House should say something. But I don’t think it is fair to tar the administration because this guy led a secret life of drug use and perversion. I mean, Dick “Foot Fetishist†Morris was one of Bill Clinton’s closet advisors. Morris’ rather bizarre tastes were not a reflection on Clinton.
Comment by Exley
Clinton doesnt pontificate.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmunbelievable
Jason being in the closet has noting to do with im being stupid. Sheesh…
So if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
What, did all you Libertarians have lobotomies this last week for free?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmIt was buy one get one free, so we split the cost.
So Exley, what type of statement from Bush would suffice?
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmIt was buy one get one free, so we split the cost.
I had more to pay cause there was more to lose.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:50 pmI really want to take my car and just push them in the ditch. Deep breath, Deep breath….
Comment by Tundra
Exactly. You should get professional help. :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmas has been pointed out, Clinton and the Democrats don’t pretend to moral superiority, which is the unique domain of the Republicans.
Comment by gorn
gorn, you TPers must not count yourselves as Democrats because this site is rife with moral superiority.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmgorn, you TPers must not count yourselves as Democrats because this site is rife with moral superiority.
Gasp, You didn’t!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:52 pmMine? You made the statement about Bible Belt, no morals. I just offered up an alternative viewpoint on your statement, based solely on the information provided.
Comment by Tundra —
Buddy, I could bet that most of the people who supports the use of cluster bombs against civilians are religious people. Look at Exley. (He he :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:53 pmBut that same percentage of religous zealots can spoil everyone who believes in God?
What do you have a new girlfriend who is an Evangelical?
It’s more like 90% of the religious who are hypocrites – not 4 or 5.
Mine? You made the statement about Bible Belt, no morals. I just offered up an alternative viewpoint on your statement, based solely on the information provided.
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:47 pm
No you didn’t, you cut and pasted and then interpreted it to fit some meaning you wanted it to mean.
I didn’t say ‘no morals’… I said “Morals my a$$”. That’s not the same thing. Because, clearly, I live here, am a teacher, and am not dating or sleeping with a student. Sheesh.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmI could bet that most of the people who supports the use of cluster bombs against civilians are religious people.
?, I know alot of non-religous people who also happen to support the use of Cluster Bombs against civilians. It’s not their issue to own alone.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:56 pmOoooh Ooooohhh Me,
I agree with the Democrats at TP who feel that anyone doing drugs or having homosexual sex should be publicly flogged.
Comment by Tundra
Hehheeh look at that Tundra doesnt get it…
Being a rightwinger holier than YOU homosexual meth user is the problem. Otherwise he might just be a gay guy that tried meth.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:56 pm#135
gorn, you TPers must not count yourselves as Democrats because this site is rife with moral superiority.
Unlike the Republicans, TPers and Democrats aren’t the ones trying to make every election about “moral issues”. Unless you count hypocrisy as a moral issue.
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmSo if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
No. It’s not the same. In your premise, the black person would have to be a member of the KKK who advocated eternal damnation for all blacks and constantly preached Christian ideals before it would be analogous… And then it would be that I was talking to this anti-black black person who preaches Christian ideals and it made me realize stuff about stupid people. Capsice?
It was buy one get one free, so we split the cost.
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
Heh
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmthis site is rife with moral superiority.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — November 3, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Reality has a liberal bias, after all…
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:00 pmI see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
Comment by Cynicon Implant — November 3, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
Who are you?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:00 pmI know alot of non-religous people who also happen to support the use of Cluster Bombs against civilians. It’s not their issue to own alone.
Comment by Tundra — November 3, 2006 @ 4:56 pm
I don’t buy that, but if I did – so what? That excuses the religious wackos who do? Fallacious logical. Try again.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmDoes anyone ever wonder at the trend: Evangelists turn out to be gay and doing drugs, priests turn out to be pedophiles, after boys… Just once I’d like to hear a story about a Priest or Evangelist who has a FEMALE prostitute.. or maybe just a mistress. Was Fallwell the last one who actually had a woman on the side?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmMuch like Clinton didn’t inhale, Haggard did actually inhale, but subsequently did not swallow. About the meth, that’s a whole other story.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmNext time one of these religious leaderships rails against homosexuals we should just automatically assume they are closeted queens who have so much guilt and shame for their natural tendencies they are pitiful.
I just wish they would keep their opinions to themselves. They’re hurting gays with their projections of self hatred.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:04 pmI see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
Comment by Cynicon Implant
Dad? Is that you?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmokay, let me get this straight. My wife and kids are out of town. If I go to the strip joint tonight and my wife finds out, I can pull a Teddy (Ha), and state “well yes,dear, I was at the strip bar, but I didn’t see any boobies!”
Will that fly?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmI know alot of non-religous people who also happen to support the use of Cluster Bombs against civilians.
Comment by Tundra
I really doubt that…but if you say so, Ok.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmCynicon Implant. You can try to pretend all you want, but we know who you are. You are just as obsessed, but in the glorifying kind of way. Just because you haven’t posted here in a while doesn’t mean we haven’t forgotten who you are.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmIt all makes sense now – no wonder Bush has screwed up the country. One of W’s spiritual advisors has been giving him advice while high on crystal meth. Bush is too stupid to question it!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmWill that fly?
Comment by DRxJ — November 3, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
About as well as pigs…
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:08 pmI see the level of discourse hasn’t changed much since I’ve been away…
Comment by Cynicon Implant
I’d have to disagree, it seems a bit less fun then I remeber from back in the day.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:09 pmNext time one of these religious leaderships rails against homosexuals we should just automatically assume they are closeted queens who have so much guilt and shame for their natural tendencies they are pitiful.
Comment by bye bye GOP — November 3, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
You mean you don’t do that already? I have very little respect for any church official (of any church) who is regularly in the public eye. Most of the actual believers are fine. They are some of the best people I know, but something happens when you put on a frock or take up a position of leadership. Scrambles the brain along with the moral compass somehow.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmSo if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
What happened to my response to this asinine comment?
Your analogy is not the same. It would have to be a hypocritical black person who was against black people and was always spouting the Bible as a means for hurting other blacks. See the difference?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:12 pmAnd Tundra likes cluster bombs so much, he capitolized the name. Way to go! Go team terror.
Anybody else find it insteresting that we haven’t seen Tundra or Cynicon Implant in months and they both show up to talk about a gay guy?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:13 pmSpudge, at least I made an impression on you. The others don’t seem to know me. I feel so small.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:13 pm#132 HiB….I have no idea…I don’t know how much status or influence this guy had at the WH (I would think very little)….Maybe a statement that combinations a mild castigation and sense of disappointment, along with an expression of sympathy to his family…But like I said, I really don’t know much about this story.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:14 pmOh yeah, I forgot to mention that squeegeeboo hasn’t been here in months either, but felt compelled to come and talk about a meth addicted homosexual Christofacist.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:14 pmTo not know your enemy would leave you as bad at war as Bush is.
Although you were never as bad as Jason M Hendler or Daryll. I seem to remember you actually discussing stuff from time to time.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:16 pmBut like I said, I really don’t know much about this story.
Comment by Exley
Oh, yes, yo do, Encyclopaedia man! :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 pm“Ted Haggard is a friend of mine, and it appears someone is trying to damage his reputation as a way of influencing the outcome of Tuesday’s election — especially the vote on Colorado’s marriage-protection amendment, which Ted strongly supports,” said James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, also based in Colorado Springs.
Haggard, who is often credited with rallying conservative Christians behind U.S. President George Bush for his 2004 re-election, talks to Bush or his advisers every week, according to Harper’s.
The press outta ask Bush who he’s been diddling…Jeff Gannon? He always had a thing for the bald guys. And who’se hiding in James Dobson’s closet? Enquiring minds want to know!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmSpudgeBoy
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that squeegeeboo hasn’t been here in months either, but felt compelled to come and talk about a meth addicted homosexual Christofacist.
First off, Tundra has been back for a while, because he’s been harrassing me about getting back in for at least a few weeks now, second off, I fell off the wagon in the Nuclear(the S is silent) and Think Fast threads, then moved over hear. But you figured me out, meth addicted homosexual Christofacists are the main reason that keeps me going.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:18 pmAnybody else find it insteresting that we haven’t seen Tundra or Cynicon Implant in months and they both show up to talk about a gay guy?
Comment by SpudgeBoy
That was funny, but squeegee can get jelous.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:19 pmDont worry, Squeegee…it was ONLY a massage. :)
My posts are being eaten.
I’ve tried five time to debunk SpongeBob’s nonsense and bad analogy, but none of them have shown up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmAt least you can find humor. I like you much better than the new breed of trools. They are just so dang up tight. And religious like a MFer.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:23 pmWhy aren’t my posts getting posted?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:23 pmExley, the man had a weekly phone meeting with the president and/or his advisors. Every Monday. That’s a connection. That’s into the oval office. This is going to hurt the Republicans big time for a long time to come. A Hypocrite pushing faith at the pulpit and scoring dope in the shadows. Where does this fall with the Family Values crowd?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:24 pm#161…Nah, not this time, Juan…I never heard of this dude before TP started covering this story…Seems like a pretty sleazy and messed up guy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmSpudgeBoy
At least you can find humor. I like you much better than the new breed of trools. They are just so dang up tight. And religious like a MFer.
Thanks, with how the ‘Conservatives’ have been doing recently(last 4 years) it’s all I’ve got left
Juan C
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmThat was funny, but squeegee can get jelous.
Dont worry, Squeegee…it was ONLY a massage. :)
Why not just ask to show us on the doll were the prostitute touched him?
OH MY GAWD!!!!
That has to be the most hysterically funny thing I have ever witnessed. I have seen 4 years olds with dogs braking the table lamp excuses and dissembling that are more sincere than this.
But hey.. he didn’t admit to what parts of him he got a massage from said male hooker so… it is all them thar evil libruls smearing a gawd fearin’ man.
Their reality has truly lapped our satire, the best comedy writers in the entertainment industry could make this sh*t up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmMy posts are not posting… what’s going on?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmOh no, Spudge called me gay. I’m so hurt.
Maybe I’ll do some meth and call Denver to cheer myself up.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmWhy aren’t my posts getting posted?
Are they still having trouble with that? Wow, thought it would have been fixed by now, anywho, good night and good weekend, and I’ll see you all monday (Stupid Tundra, sucking me back in)
Good to see a few familiar names at least!
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmHe was naked in a hotel room with the prostitute but never had sex with him? ROTFLMAO!
“Hi Mike, this is Art,” one call began, according to the station. “Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply.”
A second message, left a few hours later, began: “Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I’ll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever.”
He asked him to get drugs for him TWICE but never did them? Just wanted to look at them right? Twice. LMFAO
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:30 pmGood to see a few familiar names at least!
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
Well, some old acquaintances are back.
Let’s see if we can get some honest conservative perspective now, and not the distorted, deranged, self-absorbed, self-righteous drivel some of the new crop of trolls are spewing.
Welcome back, Squeege, Tundra, Cynicon…
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:34 pm#167, HiB This is going to hurt the Republicans big time for a long time to come.….Hmmmmm…I dunno about that. I think the Republicans have many, many other problems that are hurting them now more than this guy’s sleaziness…I just don’t see this tying into the GOP all that much….
And with that, I am taking off…Have a good weekend all.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmHey Exley (and everyone else) check out his website. Time Magazine rates him as one of the top 25 evangelicals in the country so even if you haven’t heard of him there are many that have.
This is going to sting more than buckshot in the face.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmIf you haven’t heard of this guy, it is because you are not and evangelical christian. My evangelic Christian family on my dad’s side love(d) this guy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:36 pmI give up… This is crazy.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmI did not, get over yourself. I just said you were drawn to it.
You know moths are not light bulbs, but they are drawn to light bulbs.
Bees like flowers, but they aren’t flowers themselves, they jsut like them a lot.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:38 pmWell if the bar to moral superiority is not buying meth from male hookers repeatedly and getting “messages” while railing against homosexuality as hypocrisy writ large… yep. I am certainly morally superior to Ted Haggard, cleared that hurdle with room to spare. You?
What next, challenging us to another tough one like whether or not we feel morally superior to Ted Bundy as well?
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:42 pmHaggard is not representative of all ChristiansI have been fearing the black eye that Christianity must receive from Haggard and New Life for some time. I was invited by my sister to attend New Life some time ago. As a Christian, I was deeply troubled by what I heard and saw there. All of the negative stereotypes of “a health and wealth Gospel”, “name it, claim it” theology and sensationalism surrounding “signs and wonders” unfolded before my eyes. I was so troubled that I urged my sister to leave New Life. Now that this awful thing has come to pass I can only say that I would urge others not to judge Christianity, Christ or evangelicals as a whole based on Haggard’s conduct. Hypocrisy is a bitter pill to swallow for any of us, thankfully I can point to many within the evangelical community who have clearly and forcefully opposed this misguided man for some time. Moreover, I would urge that Christ, Christianity, and evangelicals not judged based on the widespread ignorance and naïveté displayed by the thousands which flock to these types of “cult of personality”, “God’s job is to make me rich and healthy” churches. Others of us who often get lumped in with Haggard, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, etc., are actually of a very different stripe.I’m not saying that we do not have our failings, as indeed we do; however, our essential message is fundamentally different. We hinge upon the message of redemption through humble acceptance of the sacrifice of a crucified and resurrected Savior.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:44 pmHe bought TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS worth of drugs, folks! If you’re just a little curious, you don’t buy that much. Plus, there has been a huge problem with the gay community using meth. I watched a documentary on it the other day. They said they are trying to help combat it’s usage in the gay community. I guess it’s (meth) supposed to really enhance sex.
If Haggard never did drugs in his life, why would he start at his age? Why would he start with meth? Why would he start with such a huge amount? And most of all, why would he start with a gay prostitute? Something ain’t right here.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:45 pmHaggard is not representative of all Christians. I have been fearing the black eye that Christianity must receive from Haggard and New Life for some time. I was invited by my sister to attend New Life some time ago. As a Christian, I was deeply troubled by what I heard and saw there. All of the negative stereotypes of “a health and wealth Gospel”, “name it, claim it” theology and sensationalism surrounding “signs and wonders” unfolded before my eyes. I was so troubled that I urged my sister to leave New Life Now that this awful thing has come to pass I can only say that I would urge others not to judge Christianity, Christ or evangelicals as a whole based on Haggard’s conduct. Hypocrisy is a bitter pill to swallow for any of us, thankfully I can point to many within the evangelical community who have clearly and forcefully opposed this misguided man for some time. Moreover, I would urge that Christ, Christianity, and evangelicals not judged based on the widespread ignorance and naïveté displayed by the thousands which flock to these types of “cult of personality”, “God’s job is to make me rich and healthy” churches. Others of us who often get lumped in with Haggard, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, etc., are actually of a very different stripe. I’m not saying that we do not have our failings, as indeed we do; however, our essential message is fundamentally different. We hinge upon the message of redemption through humble acceptance of the sacrifice of a crucified and resurrected Savior.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:47 pmI am intrigued by the interview. THis interview is so amazing. Even if you believe the guy, when you watch his eyes accessing the CREATIVE side of his brain after each question you realize he is fabricating everything. I am posting a link to the site I am copying info from.
http://www.orange-tree-international.com/blogger/
Because we take in the world through our senses, our brains store information accordingly – i.e. in pictures, sounds feelings etc. Our eyes move in certain directions depending on the sense we stored the info in. So we automatically move our eyes up when thinking in pictures i.e. your eyes look up when asked what the yellow submarine would look like if painted purple with pink spots ? Similarly our eyes move left or right in line with our ears when our brains are accessing auditory information. When looking down we access internal dialogue (aka talking to self) or emotions. Ever seen a depressed person – they always seem to be staring down – that’s because they are stuck in depressing emotions. If you get a depressed person to look up for a moment – they come out of their feelings and into pictures thus for that moment you have freed them from depression – then the fun begins keeping them out of depression.
With all of these modalities, when looking directly a person if their eyes move left as you see them – then they are in create mode. The police would refer to this as “Lie†mode when interrogating a criminal – if they access information by looking left they are making it up hence lying. The right is therefore “Remember†– the person is accessing information in already in memory. With emotions though – there is no remember or create its just feelings no right or left
lol what a “holy” liar
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:47 pmWell if evengelicals and Christians en masse repudiate anti-gay bigotry, war, capital punishment, tax cuts for the rich and “social Darwinism” and opposing programs helping the poor… you will gain a LOT more creds in the eyes of atheists like myself who greatly respect and actually embrace such views (which transcend any one, or even religion as a whole) while rejecting the supernatural irrational vehicle Christians deliver it in.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmUnlike the republican trolls that come here, we do not judge people based on their religion, only how they weild their beliefs as weapons against others who are not religious.
I was raised as a Christian and almost every single member of both sides of my family is religious. But, they are real Christians who care about other peolpe and belive in love over everything else. They don’t look down at others that are not religious, like their brother, cousin, uncle Spudge_Boy, because they know that I have morals and live the way Jesus would want somebody to live. I just do not attend church because I feel that organized religion is the real problem with religion, not religious people. There is a huge difference.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmYou libs assumed that he committed homosexual acts. Well touche’, liberals, touche’. Pastor Haggard is a man of god, and I know he wouldn’t fail our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. As requested earlier libs, apologize to me, now. Jesus loves you. Always remember, don’t pre-judge others.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:55 pm#188
man, your sarcistic posts get funnier and funnier every day.
Keep up the comedy routine, Daryll boy, you’ll go far
Oh, and if you’re not being sarcastic, please answer my questions back in post #22
two questions to ask all the Teddy supporters (Daryll, I’m talking directly to you)
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:02 pmWhy would one, who preaches against homosexuality, receive a massage from a known male prostitute?
Why would one, who preaches about “valuesâ€, purchase an illegal substance to “experimentâ€?
I patiently wait for your answer, but I’m outta here. Please enlighten the other posters.
Thank you, and God bless!
For someone who “is not representative of all christians,” as Trey posts, Haggard certainly had a lot of influence. A 14,000 member mega-church, high-level meetings at the Whitehouse and with Bush personally, active support of conservative political causes, etc. etc.
It appears to me that modern evangelical christian religion allows people to believe they are in a state of grace if they say the right words. If you accept Jesus as your lord and savior, you are saved. I believe this encourages a system in which one judges people by their words as opposed to their actions. Ironically, this is the opposite of one of Jesus’ most powerful bits of advice: you shall know them by their actions.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:03 pmHald in Earnest
Besides, when the guy screams his hatred of gays, he’s only half in Earnest.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:04 pmPlease stop. You are being an idiot and embarrass real Christians and people of morals and principals.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:04 pmYou libs assumed that he committed homosexual acts.
Comment by Daryll — November 3, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Darryll HAS to be kidding! He was naked with a PROSTITUTE in a hotel room. Were they playing cards and drinking coffee? Yeah, I’m sure they were! LMFAO!
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:05 pmDaryll,
Get lost.
Your senseless, silly little prattle is nothing but vacuous poppycock with no bearings on reality or common sense.
He got a massage from a male prostitute but didn’t have sex? He bought meth but didn’t use it? Even if he didn’t, is this how a man of supposed superior moral values behaves?
Please.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:06 pmMoreover, I would urge that Christ, Christianity, and evangelicals not judged based on the widespread ignorance and naïveté displayed by the thousands which flock to these types of “cult of personalityâ€, “God’s job is to make me rich and healthy†churches.
Comment by Trey Carroll — November 3, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
Rest assured that I do not judge all Christians with the brush that Haggard has provided, and I applaud you for standing up and saying that you don’t stand with this man. Where are the leaders of your faith. They also need to come forward and say “This man does not represent us.” Bush needs to denounce the man. His flock needs to denounce him. It’s not just that he did these things, but that he was keeping it a secret and he still hasn’t come clean about it. He’s admitting only what he can’t get away with. I don’t care what effect this has on the election. The dems are probably going to win, so my guess is.. not much. But I’m interested to hear how someone so high could end up so fake.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:17 pmTrey Caroll, it isn’t JUST Haggard. It’s Pat Robertson, it’s Jerry Falwell. It’s the constant gay bashing, the war mongering, the lack of repudiation of helping the rich over the poor. It’s Christian conservatives who support Bush no matter the deaths and destruction in his wake because they consider him “a brother in Christ”
You make a HUGE mistake to think we have come to this conclusion from 1 single isolated instance.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:19 pmyo Hags… what’s the dif between “going steady” and not committing adultery?
Can one have gay sex without having a gay relationship.
Could it be that you did not sleep with that man in Denver, but you did sleep with him in somewhere like… Boulder?
Just tell the truth… parsing did not work for Bill Clinton… it only made everyone so mad they wanted to impeach him… just tell the truth and get this over with… then get your brethern out of government and keep your legislation out of our bedrooms. You obviously do not know right from wrong and I know plenty of non christians with 1000 times the morality of you… hypocrite
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:21 pmI have to defend Jesse Jackson, as far as I know he has never been accused of, nor has he admitted to, consorting with male prostitutes and snorting meth. Perhaps bush should be taking advice from him instead of the likes of haggard…
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:22 pm“I never kept it very long”
Yo hags, “I didn’t keep it long”… is that what you meant to say?
Because “I never kept it long” is a gerund meaning that this was an action that happened more than once in the past. If it was just 2 or 3 times that you ordered and threw away the meth, you probably wouldn’t say I never kept it very long. You’re really implying that you bought meth several times over a long period of time and that you “threw it away”. Did you dispose of it up your nose, incinerate it, by smoking it out of a meth pipe, or dispose of it into your garbage veins?
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:34 pm.198, Jesse !ackson has 4 different mistresses and illegitimate children. And for those who believe I’m being sarcastic, stop assuming. I’m serious about christ and my message. Our laws should be based off of biblical laws. Second, can you prove that Pastor Haggard did anything wrong? I’ve received massages from males as well as females, it’s used to release physical tension. Were you there when he got high, if he did, on meth? I think not. I don’t need to here theory, I want viewable proof. God Bless.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:46 pm#188 – Darryl, OK, I apologize, your sorry.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:50 pm.198, Jesse !ackson has 4 different mistresses and illegitimate children. And for those who believe I’m being sarcastic, stop assuming. I’m serious about christ and my message. Our laws should be based off of biblical laws. Second, can you prove that Pastor Haggard did anything wrong? I’ve received massages from males as well as females, it’s used to release physical tension. Were you there when he got high, if he did, on meth? I think not. I don’t need to here theory, I want viewable proof. God Bless.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:50 pmI’ve received massages from males as well as females, it’s used to release physical tension.
Comment by Daryll
I’ve had some pretty killer massages too Daryll.
Did any of yours have a “happy ending”?
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:53 pmViewable proof of gay drug induced sex?
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:56 pmDaryll, go to your local porn shop, they’ll fix you right up!
I’m glad your serious about your messages. That is admirable.
If you choose to inflict them on those who have heard, lived with and rejected them, then live with the responses.
Stop it. You are embarassing real Chirstians and people of faith.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:58 pmBTW:
Ahhhh… buying methamphetamine is a CRIME meatball. So are you calling Ted a liar about his admission of buying meth?
November 3rd, 2006 at 7:01 pm#202 Darryl
Jesse Jackson has 4 different mistresses and illegitimate children.
Showing your political bias. What does this have to do with anything? Were the mistresses hookers? Were they men? Is Jesse Jackson on the record as a vitriolic homophobe?
Our laws should be based off of biblical laws.
I could spend the next ten minutes listing “bibilical laws” that would turn people’s stomachs, but you’re clearly too far gone to absorb the reality that would flow from your logic.
Instead, I will just point out that your idea of turning our great nation into a theocracy will be met with the most fierce and vigorous resistance that you can imagine, up to and including bearing arms. I think one Taliban in the world is quite enough, thank you.
Second, can you prove that Pastor Haggard did anything wrong?
You mean other than his own admission?
Seems he already admits to:
(1) Breaking US law buy purchasing illegal drugs.
(2) Breaking biblical law by knowingly getting a body massage from a gay prostitute.
Further, there is audio tape evidence of his buying drugs, in copious quantity, more than once.
If you can still defend this creep, you prove only that you are as big a hypocrite as he is.
There does seem to be a positive correlation between bible-thumping moralists and breathtaking hypocrisy, doesn’t there?
November 3rd, 2006 at 7:23 pmDarryl’s brain is nothing but a festering turd. Don’t even waste your time trying to reason with him. He doesn’t have the capacity to understand reason.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:03 pmSorry I am so late to the party……I don’t care if this guy is gay or not. What I do care about is the power and exposure he has and has used to benefit the reich and it’s all a lie..Just like the Baker’s year’s ago…..Bilking the public and preaching one thing while doing another is a con’s life..Not my problem cause I don’t buy into relegion.. Two big a business for me…LOL
Have you all looked at this guy’s photo and watched his interview?…This photo look’s like the devil incarnate hollywood style…Sorry I see thing’s other may not, like the dead eyes of rice..Note when he was dening all this stuff his head was on a constant no movement…Remember the shifty eye’s and the head moving indicating a no response..Subconsious movement’s that trained investigators look for to help determin guilt or innocence…..No matter to me. Just observations that have served me very well…..Blessings
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:07 pmHe scares me.
//Hypocrite freak.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:16 pmThe republiscums brought all of this on themselves. They wanted to make the Clinton/Lewinsky into a big deal. They wanted to make Clinton’s BJ with a fat broad a cause celebre, and now it has been turned on them, only to much, much greater effect. Nothing like a taste of your own medicine. As my father would say, boy have those chickens come home to roost.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:21 pmThe F#ckers are at it again!!!
They are running that creepy David Barton’s anti-athiest screed on local cable access channel here in El Cajon right now. That rat-bastard mayor Mark Lewis has already been confronted about this before, and said he would quit running it. I guess he wants to make the Christianists happy, so they’ll vote for him.
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:25 pmAh, the Rite-Wing Wacktoid Freak Show that just won’t quit!
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:31 pmI have laughed all day at this abomination!
(Have also observed the tell-tale, squirmy mannerisms glaringly apparent in the video interview)
So, when the ’spirit’ moved him, was it chemical, or glandular? Anyone know? Daryll?
I know Ive said this before but… The link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org….php? storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:48 pmOur laws should be based off of biblical laws.
Comment by Daryll
Thank George Washington for the 2nd amendment.
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:10 pmthe right wing is crumbling. i am so glad to see all the hypocrites are such great americans. i bet trent lott is proud. all i need now is to hear that sean hannity is giving oral to tom cruise.
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:20 pmi bet trent lott is very proud of the great american ted haggard. i wonder if he was going to snort or smoke the meth. i bet he was going to snort. it’s so wonderful to see that the right wing is living up to its hypocritical standards. long live christianity!!!!!!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:25 pmNeil Patrick Harris, aka “Doogie Houser” is gay.
Just came out.
So is “George” from Grey’s Anatomy.
I am so proud of these men to tell it like it is:
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:40 pmThey’re here….
(you know the rest…)
At least they are proud of themselves.
jackie joines,
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:46 pmI must admit I had no idea how meth entered one’s system, but felt silly to ask.
Amazing. An evangelical knows about it, and the ‘crazy liberal’ only finds out after reading about said evangelical.
Wow. What a world.
I expect to see Haggard one day in front of the camera with crocodile tears begging God for forgiveness and the congregation for money.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:21 pmBrendle said he sees no hypocrisy in Haggard’s actions. “To my knowledge, Mike Jones has not alleged that Ted asked him to marry him… No, I do not see this instance as hypocrisy. I do see it as indiscretion, and I am grateful that Ted is repentant and humble.” – quote from Rev. Rob Brendle, pastor of New Life Church (Haggard’s church), quoted in CNN.com today.
The intellectual dishonesty is mind-boggling.
If I didn’t know this came from a pastor of the church, I would have thought it was a parody.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:23 pmcan you prove that Pastor Haggard did anything wrong?
Comment by Daryll — November 3, 2006 @ 6:46 pm
To all the comments already made by others, I would like to add:
By purchasing meth he fell into temptation. He himself admits during the interview: “I was tempted, I bought it, but I never used it.â€
However, he is being disingenuous (lying) when he says “I was tempted”. He wasn’t just tempted. He fell for it and bought the stuff. True, he wasn’t tempted further into using it, but fact remains he purchased it, hence acting on his temptation of buying a substance he knew fully well is illegal.
Acting on one’s temptations in a deliberate manner is a sin.
Further, by refusing to admit he sinned, repent, atone, and ask for forgiveness, he is commiting the sin of pride.
And thus we conclude tonight’s lesson on Christian theology 101.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmMinor correction to my previous post:
True, he wasn’t tempted further into using it (if you actually believe his account of what happened, that is) but fact remains he purchased it…
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:54 pmSo there’s a church whose pastor is a meth-snorthing hottie who likes to sneak off for hot man-on-man action. Man, sign me up. Now I understand the phrase, “Speaking in tongues.”
November 4th, 2006 at 5:46 amSo if its a thread about a black person, say Powell, doing something dumb, I can say I was talking to this black person the other day, man it made me realize stuff about stupid people, and that wouldn’t be racist?
Comment by squegeeboo — November 3, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
Your analogy is not an accurate replacement of mine…
Jason repeatedly bashes gays. He says that he is a Christian. And he also bashes women regularly. All pretty stupid or hypocritical stuff.
See the holes in your analogy now?
November 4th, 2006 at 8:36 amI am so sorry for all this man has done to hurt the cause of Christ!
November 4th, 2006 at 9:07 amI think that he has damaged the testimony of many trustworthy Christians! I think the Lord can forgive him for what he has done, but he will have to live with his actions as long as he lives! Thanks alot ted you have probably sent many to an eternaty that they did not want and will keep many from seeking help for their problems!
sincerely, A Christian who is ashamed to know that you were one!
did anyone see the today show interview with the jones guy this a.m.?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:30 amenlightening, to say the least… “poor” haggard is going down…
or not… the zealots are a delusional bunch…
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Verdicts in
http://www.newlifechurch.org/pressrelease110606.pdf
November 4th, 2006 at 5:12 pmAfter watching the new pastor , Ross Parsley speak….he seems *off* too. Anyone else get that vibe?
November 4th, 2006 at 7:06 pmexcept: Again, religion has always had a certain amount of show-biz, but this is really different. A visit to the Main Event in the 17,000-person capacity sanctuary at New Life:
The band stood. A skinny, chinless man with a big, tenor voice, Ross Parsley, directed the musicians and the crowd, leading us and them and the choir as the guitarists kicked on the fuzz and the drummer pounded the music toward arena-rock frenzy. Two fog machines on each side of the stage filled the sanctuary with white clouds. Pod-shaped projectors cast a light show across the ceiling, giant spinning white snowflakes and cartwheeling yellow flowers and a shimmering blue water-effect. “Prepare the way!†shouted Worship Pastor Ross. “Prepare the way! The King is coming!†Across the stage teens began leaping straight up, a dance that swept across the arena: kids hopped, old men hopped, middle-aged women hopped. Spinners wheeled out from the ranks and danced like dervishes around the stage. The light pods dilated and blasted the sanctuary with red. Worship Pastor Ross roared: “Let the King of Glory enter in!†Ushers rushed through the crowds throwing out rainbow glow strings.
Uhh…showtunes & rainbow streamers. I am not far off here…
November 4th, 2006 at 7:24 pmHow could Ross Parsley NOT have known Haggard was GAY??? They just put a new wolf in sheep’s clothing in.
Parsley: He majored in organizational interpersonal communication at Oral Roberts University and came on board as worship pastor at New Life Church at age 25, living in senior pastor Ted Haggard’s basement until getting married.
November 4th, 2006 at 7:27 pmYou libs assumed that he committed homosexual acts. Well touche’, liberals, touche’.
Comment by Daryll — November 3, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
I don’t usually come back to harp, but in Daryll’s case I will make an exception.
First, you are using touché the wrong way. If you say it, it means someone made an effective retort to your argument and you have no comeback. Do you play the PC guy in the Mac commercials?
Second, by now you must know Haggard has been dumped by his own church for having committed sexually immoral conduct.
You came here haughtily asking for apologies. Now that you have been proven wrong (imagine that), it is your turn to behave like the good Christian you claim to be, admit your mistake, and apologise for hurling baseless accusations.
We’re waiting…
November 5th, 2006 at 2:20 amOf course he’s lying. His eyes keep shifting to the left when he’s asked a question. Also, while it would make sense to be “tempted” by the drug, he doesn’t articulate that. He lacks the imagination to come up with a decent, credible lie. Christ is so disappointed…yet he won’t smite Haggard, mayhap ‘cuz he’s, oh I dunno, IMAGINARY?
November 5th, 2006 at 7:35 amThis man was targeted for a set up. The hooker FAILED a lie detector test. You people make me sick, you all jump at the chance to condemn anyone who lives by any set of standards, so you can feel better about yourselves. When God is out of this country, so will all human compassion, and don’t think for a moment that your families will not miss the old days when you could sit around and complain about a Christian. If you want to feel better, just think of how many babies died by choice today, or how many people were infected by AIDS today because of irresponsible sexual promiscuity and will suffer the rest of their lives.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:30 pmYes. Thanks Mike, I really do feel better about myself. I guess seeing a “Christian” fall like this is really what makes me feel jazzed. Maybe if a few more of this hypocritical bastards would drop off. Like maybe Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed, Dick Cheney… Hmmmm… looks like I’m a little too late there. Well, Mike I guess if your buddies were really so Christian, they’d only need a WWJD bracelet to make them feel good instead of Hot sweaty gay sex while hopped up on METH. But then again, I guess hypocrisy is the order of the day in today’s religious environment.
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November 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 amMy mind is like a fog. I’ve just been sitting around doing nothing. Today was a loss.
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