Ted Haggard on homosexuality:
By on Nov 3rd, 2006 at 10:24 am
Ted Haggard on homosexuality:
“We don’t have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity, it’s written in the Bible.” Watch it (from the new documentary “Jesus Camp“):
(HT: Evangelical Right)
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That's one way of not having to talk directly about it.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 amHypocrisy, much?
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 amRumor has it that if you watch this clip repeatedly, you'll go blind.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:29 amTeddy, life´s a bitch, right?
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:30 amReligion is the antithesis to critical thinking and accurate information.
People who think all the answers are in a 2000 year old fairy tale are clinically insane and should not be allowed to have power over others.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:32 amHa, and again I say, ha!
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:33 am#4 - No, I think Teddy is b!t@# in their relationship.
My pardon! I just couldn't resist!
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:33 amHaggard is a GOP affiliated closeted hypocrite, so now that he has been OUTED hiring a male escort for sex and using him to procure crystal meth to get high, he needs to come clean about his association with President George W. Bush > why were they close pals? Do they like each other because they both have hired male hookers for sex?
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:34 amWill Jeff Gannon, the GOP escort, OUT his relationship with Dubya?
Maybe Jesus camp enrollments will drop.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:35 amIf you believe th3e rapture could occur at any moment, and yet you still drive your car, you are guilty of reckless endangerment.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:36 amSo this guy was using crystal meth also? Say it isn't so.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:38 amI think it's hilarious people like Daryll come here and waste thier own time and energy. ROTFL!
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:39 amNeocons are hypocrites? WOW!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:39 amWell, it does say it in the Bible. But, if he wants to avoid hypocrisy, surely he has to believe in the whole of the passages.
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" Leviticus 20:13
Completely reprehensible to me, but it is his belief not mine. My question is, when do we start?
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 amand here I wuz thunkin that brokeback mountain was in crawford texas
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:42 amThat Leviticus guy is merciless.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 amWhat about the merciful shall recieve mercy?
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 amMaybe he should have been reading Isaiah 29:15--"Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the Lord, who do their work in darkness and think, 'Who sees us? Who will know?'."
These modern day Pharasees are just as bad as when Jesus encountered them.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:48 amNovember 3rd, 2006 at 10:48 am
"I know what you did last night. If you send me a thousand dollars I won't tell your wife... if you use any of this I'll sue you!"
The way Haggard shifts gears from blackmail to lawsuit threat, is almost deft, if it weren't patently absurd... now we see the back-end story to the paranoia... no pun... ha.
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:57 amHey have y'all seen the verbal sparring b/w Haggard and Richard Dawkins (the evolutionary biologist who coined the word 'meme')?
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:00 amTOO GOOD:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wkUi6dhwWx0
These closets peoples ands Reichs wingsers hookings ups is justs toos funnys.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:00 amWhats a greats countrys.
Hey, he's only against HOMOsexuals. BI-sexuals (such as himself) are just dandy, maybe even the anointed; after all, Jesus did tell us to love our fellow man.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:05 amI just heard the wildest explanation of this whole thing from the Fundie/Republican Blowhard at my office. He says that this guy can preach against homosexuality because he's not a homosexual, he just has sex with men. It's the "lifestyle" that's a sin.
That's a new one to me.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:10 amThe Right Crumbles...
The political right is going through interesting changes right now. The war hawks from the neoconservative pillar of the political right is crumbling as support for the Iraq War dwindles.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:11 amCorruption in the congress has led to the resignation of major ...
Leviticus isnt here.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:14 amThis is too funny. What do these jack-asses think, the policies they advocate won't apply to them.
Everybody knows that in the phrase "Gay republican," the Republican is silent. (Sorry, DaimlerChrysler; that was just too good to pass up).
Every day it's something new with these guys.
Satan's gonna have to build a whole new wing for these guys in Hell.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:16 amI've redesigned the GOP logo to better reflect both their public and private stance on homosexuality.
You can see it here: http://cirrostratus.stumbleupon.com/
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:17 amIs it just me - or is this guy, erm....flame-tastic? People are surprised he's gay? Maybe the Liza Minelli-themed Mass should have tipped them off...
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:18 amNo we don't have to "debate" it because it's "in the Bible." Does he think that some how parsing his words that way excuses his hypocrisy?
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:25 amI've already explained my 180 on this story on the other Haggard post, so I won't do it again. It is too difficult, for someone (like me) who is almost always right, to admit he was wrong. (That's a joke, my liberal friends) Anyways, the resignation looks like an admission of guilt. This story, the Foley story and others, are an indication that the Republican party has a long way to go in terms of tolerance for homosexuals and hypocrisy in general. I know many Christians imbrace the idea that homosexuality is wrong, but I believe Jesus preached love for your neighbors (not just your straight ones) and tolerance. He is also characterized as not being very fond of hypocrites. Maybe those are the most important lessons we can learn from Ted's trips to Denver.
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:36 amWe all know that sex is defined as lovemaking between one man and one woman, so how could he have had sex with another man?
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:37 amHe's innocent, I tell ya, innocent!
i wonder if teddy plays the b. in his gay life?
hypocrisy?
had to go there folks, sorry
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:44 am#31...
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:44 amLOL Brilliant I say!
Ted Haggard, featured in the new documentary of evangelical indoctrination of children "Jesus Camp," is among the leading figures of the American Taliban. It should comes as no surprise that Haggard dislikes the film, which shows him instructing his flock, perhaps contrary to his tax-exempt status, "If the Evangelicals vote, they determine the election."
For the details, see:
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:53 am"American Taliban Ted Haggard's Boy Trouble."
Liberals, if you follow Acts 2:38, then you will have no problem following Jesus' laws. Pastor Haggard admitted he has sinned, but has stated that he didn't commit homosexual acts. I believe him.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmHe's admitting to some of the allegation but not all of them. What a pathetic distraction.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmsomeone needs to set Jeff Gannon on this story. I'm sure he could get to the 'bottom' of this one.
as always, I am jealousofjeff
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmOkay, he admitted that he committed homosexual acts, but we must pray for forgiveness and redemption on behalf of Pastor Haggard. He made a mistake, but he can always ask for forgiveness from Christ.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:07 pmSt Darryl - jesus doesn't make the laws, nor did he write Acts.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:09 pmDaryll, this means you can finally come out of the closet and not sin! I'm so happy for you!!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:10 pmEveryone is missing an important part of this story. Haggard was on the outs with the really right wing evangelicals because he was advocating a greater focus on doing something about global warming and other environmental issues and also focusing on poverty and social justive issues. The other big wig evangelicals didn't like that and wanted him out of the leadership. I think they got what they wanted (by the way, there's another buried story that his accuser has failed a lie detector test). I think I smell a right wing rat here.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:13 pmPastor Haggard admitted he has sinned, but has stated that he didn’t commit homosexual acts. I believe him.
Me too. Hopefully, he'll be able to clear this whole thing up soon, just like this guy did.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmSo St Darryl can a 'born again' be 'born one more time?' . I bet Pastor Meth would love to be able to take a 'mulligan' on his eternal soul this week, eh?
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:17 pmDaryll
Haggard will have my forgiveness, certainly, and IMO God's, ONLY after he acknowledges his sins, which to me are his hypocrisy and his betrayal of his family, not any homosexual behavior, per se. "We" do not have to pray for forgiveness on his behalf - that's his job, as is atonement.
Of course, you have some forgiveness to seek as well, right here in the land of blog.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmWritten in the Bible?
Does Haggard know Hebrew and has he really studied the Bible? If he did, and if he paid any attention to Biblical scholarship he'd know that Leviticus (Vayikra) uses an "unattested idom"--which means that the phrasing appears nowhere else in the Torah (Old Testament to some) and therefore there is no way anyone can say with absolute certainty what the phrase means. Sorry, but that's a fact, inconvenient as it may be.
He would also know that when it's called "toevah" (translated sometimes as abomination), that the same word is also used to describe things like married your ex-, cheating in business, the silver and gold of idols, women wearing men's clothing, eating shellfish. In other words, a whole range of behaviors that are more accurately classed as "foreign"--which is what the writers of Leviticus were focused on to build group identity after the Babylonian Exile.
He'd also have to admit that Torah doesn't privilege same-sex behavior for opprobrium because, guess what, it didn't make it into the TOP TEN NO-NO LIST, aka the Ten Commandments.
I could go on and on but my points are 1) these so-called preachers are ignorant and 2) they quote selectively and 3) we should never let them act as if these cultural texts belond to them--we need to fight them on their own ground, embarrass and humiliate them for their ignorance!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:20 pmAnd the swiftboating of paul in 3.....2......1.....
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmMonsignor Daryll,
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmyou are quick to forgive one from the "darkside" (the right)
are you as quick for those of us in the light?
As I recall, you were pretty harsh on the posters for disagreeing with the "abstinence til 30" thread
You know, you posted about fornication, masturbation, and drinking.
You chastised us for having pre-marital sex while you are still a virgin.
You were not so forgiving, but when one of "your boys" sins, it's okay?
Daryll, please, see the light and join us "thinkers", leave the evil darkside of dittoheads and kool-aid drinkers.
Be more like Jesus, advocate peace, help your fellow neighbor, feed the poor.
Daryll
A rhetorical question for you:
As TP's self-appointed spiritual leader, how do you reconcile your post #36, that if a person (I'm sure you didn't just mean liberals) follow Acts 2: 38, then they won't have trouble following Jesus' laws WITH the fact that Haggard certainly appeared to have some major difficulty doing so?
My answer: you didn't know what you were talking about and just wanted to attack liberals.
Your answer: irrelevant because this is a political, not a theological blog.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmTaurus,
Exactly.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmRepublicans are the fear and smear party, I will not become a homosexual because it's an abomination. Isn't it very strange that dirty information is being leaked out about the GOP and it's supporter before the mid-term election. I pray to Jesus that your party's filth is put out to the media within the next 24-48 hrs because your party is completely unrighteous, and I know it. This issue is a another Democratic setup. I know Jesus forgives Pastor Haggard, he just has to refrain practicing this foolish and perverted sin. I rebuke Satan for trying to smear the Republican party. Jesus' will shall prevail November 7, 2006. Amen.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmYes, born of the holy spirity, read Acts 2:38. Once your soul is redeemed you'll have a different/glorious perspective about life and heaven. This is what Jesus wants.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmDRxJ,
In the Ted Haggard thread yesterday, we were called Satan worshippers for saying that Ted Haggard snorted speed and did a guy. Now, he is forgiven by Daryll for snorting speed and doing a guy, but I am sure Daryll still thinks we are devil worshippers.
Should we forgive Daryll or should he beg for our forgiveness?
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmI pray to Jesus that your party’s filth is put out to the media within the next 24-48 hrs because your party is completely unrighteous, and I know it.
Comment by Daryll — November 3, 2006 @ 12:27 pm
Yep, you are truly a hypocrite. Praying to Jesus for the demise of others. I think maybe He is a little to busy to deal with your childish requests.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmLet's see, we could pray for....Peace around the world
Children to be fed and educated
Families and friends who are lost
or we could just pray for "filth" of the left.
Gotcha
NEXT
The difference numb nuts is that the Democratic party doesn't run on a holier than thou ticket. They don't say they have morals when the other side doesn't as you just just did in your post #51.
Hatye to break it to you buddy, but neither are you or your friggin' party.
Wasn't it Jesus who said "let you who are without sin cast the first stone"
Yes it was, so you are saying that you are without sin. I highly doubt it liar.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmDaryll > chill out or your head might explode > sorry that your GOP phony world is exploding around you > seek counseling, not suicide!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:34 pm#51 - Sweetie, Satan is simply telling the truth about the Republican party! The truth is not a smear when it's true!
By the way, you sure have a great way of picking and choosing which portions of the Bible you want to believe.
Proverbs 6:16-19 says,
"These six things doth the LORD hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look,
a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:34 pm- Jeremiah 14:13
Reality: "This is a factual account of what happened and what is."
Progressive: "OK, how do I assimilate that into my belief system and act in a manner logically consistent with those facts?"
Regressive (with fingers in ears): "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you. Mommy/The Bible/Bush says..."
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmDaryll > "Republicans are the fear and smear party" > lol I agree!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmDaryll, you talk just like a brainwashed, closet case homosexual.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:38 pmPoor Daryll - you have been deceived and lied to. Your whole movement has been taken over by people Christ would have nothing to do with.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmThe one biblical rule that most (if not all) Republican so-called Christians ignore as if it were the plague:
Galatians 5:14 - "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
It's too bad that the Republican party is the party of hating everyone that drinks not the kool-aide.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmIf Pastor committed these sins, I apologize for my opinionated assumption about this situation, but I refuse to give up on the pastor. Read the story about Saul and how he was redeemed and became a disciple. That's the problem with you libs, you sin continuously after asking for forgiveness. Have you no remorse for the blood shed of Jesus Christ? I would have more respect for your party if you refused promoting satanic acts like abortion, homosexuality, breaking immigration laws, and killing embyros for the remission of others. Libs, repent and be baptized, then you will receive the precious gift of the HOLY GHOST, speaking in tongues as the spirit gives utterance. Thank You lord.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmhmm Daryll, freudian slip? couldnt said it better myself!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmI know Jesus forgives Pastor Haggard, he just has to refrain practicing this foolish and perverted sin. I rebuke Satan for trying to smear the Republican party. Jesus’ will shall prevail November 7, 2006. Amen.
Comment by Daryll —
Notice any similarities between Haggard and Swaggart? Both confessed after they got caught.
And since he did such a good job of fooling you, Daryll, in the future you'll never know if he's sincere, or has lapsed.
But keep sending him your tithe; the gay hookers of Colorado Springs thank you for your support.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:43 pmDaryll > sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the GOPers are closeted hypocrite homosexuals, so take some meds before your heart stops beating from high anxiety!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:46 pmLibs, repent and be baptized, then you will receive the precious gift of the HOLY GHOST, speaking in tongues as the spirit gives utterance. Thank You lord.
Comment by Daryll
Put away the snake, Daryll. You seem to handily overlook the fact that he attacked others for the same behavior you find so objectionable, and tried to claim hie outing was retribution for his anti-gay stance - it was, but not for the reason he stated.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmSatan is an illegal immigrant? Sh*t - I'd never have copped that one. Quick, retrain the INS to look for '666' tattoos on these people.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:48 pmOooh Darryl, you're a charismatic! you saucy minx. Just out of curiousity, do you think a person experiencing glossolalia is really speaking a language or just making joyful noise or what? Is it the language of the Holy Spirit? Throw me some scripture babe.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmhey Daryll... speaking of "killing" , how about all these thousands of children we killed in IRaq to get rid of those imaginary WMD? Or I guess in your radical faux-Xtian mindset it was worth it to help install a radical shia islamist regime in Iraq in place of that meanie weenie Saddam who your braindead alzheimers hero reagan used to sell weapons to? So tell me, exactly what is it that we accomplished by invading iraq that was worth us having the blood of all those children on our hands? Saddam was at his worst when your friends were buddy buddy with him. But maybe he was onto something though.. honestly there isnt a whole lot you can do to religious nuts other than gas them and send them along to their blissfully imaginary afterlife. :)
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmI think you put an extra space in there.
Have you no remorse for the bloodshed of Jesus Christ?
There! Fixed!
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:56 pm#63 - Talk about "speaking in tongues", it looks like you're just blabbing like the Republicans can do no wrong!
I guess you've given up on reading the parts of the Bible that don't quite agree with your opinions. It's the only way you could posssibly believe that the Republicans care about Christianity.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmdarryll,
and the pastor refuses to give up his gayness to. and the catholic church refuses to give up on pedaphilia. you try hard to change the pastor but for you the 'pastor' served for bushwhack to further head his own political agenda and the self interests of the reichwing. so how does it feel to get one up the butt from the very leader who promised the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow to all you evangelicals? i bet he(teddy) is enjoying the prostitutes, at least then he gets his self interests met.
November 3rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmDaryll
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:02 pm"As for me and MY house, we shall follow the Lord". So, when you get your Republican, neocon house in order, look up us Democrats/ progressives. Until then, "brush the dust" of this cite off your shoes.
Daryll, how's that big ol' dong of yours hangin'?
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:03 pm#10
"If you believe th3e rapture could occur at any moment, and yet you still drive your car, you are guilty of reckless endangerment. "
What's a joke to you and me is serious business to the wingnuts. See below...
"You'll be riding along in an automobile. You'll be the driver perhaps. You're a Christian. There'll be several people in the automobile with you, maybe someone who is not a Christian. When the trumpet sounds you and the other born-again believers in that automobile will be instantly caught away - you will disappear, leaving behind only your clothes and physical things that cannot inherit eternal life. That unsaved person or persons in the automobile will suddenly be startled to find the car suddenly somewhere crashes.... Other cars on the highway driven by believers will suddenly be out of control and stark pandemonium will occur on ... every highway in the world where Christians are caught away from the drivers wheel." - Jerry Falwell
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:49 pmWhich came first, the gayness or the homophobia? What if homophobia, especially the really public, adamant, holier-than-thou kind, turns you into a big gay?
God can be such a joker. He's dropping gay bombs everywhere.
November 3rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmit hit the news:
haggard admits to buying meth from prostitute one time only.
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:19 pmcould this be the reason (meth) why they are living in 'fantasy land' with mickey mouse
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:20 pmnot only are they crazy christians they are crazy christians on meth
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:25 pmDaryll #51
I will not become a homosexual because it’s an abomination.
Careful Daryll, you're showing your stripes.
I will not become a homosexual because.... I'm not a homosexual.
I am a heterosexual. I didn't "become" one, it's just what I am.
Your statement above indicates that your concern that if you didn't fear a biblical "abomination", you might therefore "become" a homosexual.
One can deduce from your statement that you are supressing some latent tendencies.
Better get on your knees and pray.
'Course, doing knee-bends seems to be a common theme with the self-righteous, doesn't it?
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:30 pmIn the puritan spirit of our fathers, we should have us an ol' fashioned witch-hunt; that there pastor what told of the Rev's resignation - he looked mighty gay to me. These "meetings" in the White House with other "religious leaders" - could they really be some sorta gay tea parties?
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:35 pm"Put away the snake, Daryll."
Comment by barfly — November 3, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
Bwahahahaha, thanks for the laugh barfly. Daryll, while you're busy forgiving Ted, don't forget to forgive him for lying about it when the allegations first broke too. Does he get extra dimerits due to the 'ho/john aspect of it? You might want to throw in a pre-emptive hail mary in for that one too.
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:39 pmsee this...another link in the chain
http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmEvery hate filled Christian homophobe is a homosexual.
It's axiomatic: Spew hatred and bigotry against people who are gay and it's only a matter of time before the hate filled Christian monster is outed as being a self-hating homosexual.
No exceptions to the rule. None.
November 3rd, 2006 at 2:54 pm#85 Hey Daryll graduated from Oral Roberts University. It explains everything, doesn't it? They teach Oral sex in there?
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:03 pmHe's admitted to buying, but not using, meth and calling for a massage lol! Hypocrite!
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:05 pmThe link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org....php? storyID=57
November 3rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmAccording to Richard Dawkins in the God Delusion - Haggard boasts of a weekly phone call with Chimpy? What do they talk about? (cue the Eric Clapton riff...)
November 3rd, 2006 at 7:11 pmYou know, last year I thought he was a hypocrite prejudice freak. But that was baseless then (the hypocrite part).
Now... I got proof!
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:19 pmCome to think of it, he does seem to be following in the steps of Jesus.
Think about it = Jesus - 33-year-old virgin... Spent all of his time hanging out with 12 guys... They all wore dresses.....
You do the math!
November 3rd, 2006 at 8:37 pmDaryll is gay, don't buy his lies.
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:53 pmI'm afraid that I don't have enough years of debauchery, booze and loose women to qualify me for Jesus Camp.
November 3rd, 2006 at 9:56 pmEVEN THE BUDDHA SAID THAT YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY YOUR TEACHER. YOU CAN NOT ACCEPT THE TEACHING BLINDLY FROM YOUR GURU. BUDDHISM STANDS OUT DIFFERENTLY FROM OTHER RELIGION WHO FALLS ON BLIND FAITH. SAD BUT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGHT THINGKING OR JUST BEING SLOTH AND TORFOR THAT THEY LEAVE THE THINGKING TO THEIR PASTOR, REV OR MULLAHS.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:37 pmDarryl IS gay. I think the Republicans have proven every guy who actively witchhunts homosexuals turns out to be a flaming closeted queen who might also be a methhead. And wear panties. It's a proven fact. Statistics don't lie. Raving Evangelical Christian = Self-loathing Crystal Queen.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:42 pmand you ask me why they have so many atheists in america
November 5th, 2006 at 12:35 amWhat ever you do in the dark will come to light. Isn't it queer (pun intended) that it's the ones who take a strong platform on a subject are the ones who are involved subject. It's a dark day for christians like me, because it's people like him who reinforce the negative image of our faith. I'm a gay male and I believe that God is love and it's when people stop focusing on love and spew hatred on other groups is the beginning of the end for those people. Love thy neighbor...
November 5th, 2006 at 9:33 amThe ones who are the most vocal opponents on issues are the ones who are secretly involved in some aspect of those issues. I'm a gay christian man and I have had to deal with those type of wolves in sheep's clothing for a long time. I believe if Jesus walked this earth today, he would stop all the hatred that the "religious right" spews against His children. First and foremost, God is love and hatred isn't an attibute he possess. Stop hating your neighbor and live as God has commanded which is to love they neighbor. Take heed Jerry Falwell and you other hatemongering evangelists and pastors!
November 5th, 2006 at 9:39 amThis is not about politics and it is not about religion, it is about the nature of man. The fact that this guy is an enormous hypocrit, only proves man has the capacity to do really stupid things. The stupid right and the stupid left will attempt to make it into a political or religious issue, it is not. My last comment would be - watch out, you too could be guilty of hypocrisy.....
November 6th, 2006 at 12:14 pmthen you should learn...that only Jesus saves...and there's no saint...anyone but the Lord...and we're just disciples...trying to become saints...in a corruptible body...with flesh desires against the Word. Then listen and you'll be accused as pharisees of knowledge without obey.
November 6th, 2006 at 12:24 pmBless you
New on the Spiritual Social Commentary Blog:
"Spiritual Halls of Shame" -- Contemplating Haggard's situation from a spiritual perspective.
http://www.spiritualcommentary.com
November 6th, 2006 at 8:27 pmAll of you that take the time to be so pompous and detestably smug about this and the like are inept . You find the the time to write crap about crap and yet will not stand up without some party affiliation to tie your crap too .
November 7th, 2006 at 12:56 amTry standing up for what is right and just on your own two feet and of your on volition . Should this be to hard for you shut up and crawl back under the rock that is your life
Look, to all of you who have been spouting out mess on all of these blogs, and I mean all of you. Me included. There is not one person speaking on this chat perfect or without sin. I have read the bible completely through, and the one thing I have learned is to GOD there is no lesser or greater sin. To him sin is sin whether you lie , kill, steal, hate, fornicate, homesexual behavior, put idols or other gods before him, or anything that displeases him. He says he hates all of it and it stinks in his nostrils. There is nobody better then anyone on this earth. Regaurdless of what pastor ted haggert did, the bible is still true and GOD is still GOD and all of us will have to answer for what we do. I read that he hates liars, and they have their place in the lake of fire. So what you guys and girls talking about. GOD says forgive or you won't be forgiven by him so you all need to be looking at your own lives and trying to get that straight instead of commenting on another person because in the end when hes judding it'll be him and you. Nobody else, and their will not be any excuses. I'm a christian, and I don't like what happened at all, but I read you have to many times a day if needed. It will make you a better person, and let you know who you really are. I speak on experience as well as what is written. I been done wrong a lot by others, but I choose to forgive. And leave the guy who is a virgin alone because anytime he can become like you, but never again can you become like him. That makes him special and you just plain used and thrown away by your sex partners. So get his back will ya. He doesn't have yo worry about diseases and possible pregnacy. Living your life worried all the time just doesn't cut it. I've watched people and observed people so don't tell me its the opposite. Yall need to grow up.
November 7th, 2006 at 4:57 amIt's interesting that you (Tory #104) raise the point that the Bible's position is clear: All liars are condemn to hell, no exclusions. Based on a literal reading of the Bible and a little bit of logic, it leads us to the unfortunate situation in which the Rev Haggard will suffer eternal torments for his lie about not knowing the homosexual escort, which he later admitted was indeed a lie. Rev Haggard is a liar, hence, according to a literal reading, he is now condemned. Of course, this would lead to a logical quandry, since how can a Christian be sent to Hell, that would lead to a contradiction of various other Bible passages! Oh Noes!. I would suggest that it is healthier and more sustainable to consider the books of the Bible as simply presenting the author's own theological opinions, some of which are a little bit silly. If you continue to read and study the Bible, as I do, then I think you'll find it a much more enlightening experience.
November 7th, 2006 at 8:39 amIf what all of you CRACK HEAD Christians say is true then heaven is going to be a lonely place. Quit reading your fiction and believing its truth.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:52 amThere is no such thing as a gay christian. If God exists, He defines our standards of right and wrong. Why must it be "hate" for a person to state God's standards? When your parents corrected you for violating their standards, did they do it because they hated you? No, they loved you enough to help you build standards into your life by training you. Ya'll need to get over this stereotypical crap about right wing hatred. Why can't someone LOVINGLY explain to you that homosexuality is wrong?
November 7th, 2006 at 4:29 pmPer #107, had I chosen to be gay I might believe that homosexuality is a choice. But I didn't and there isn't anything I or anyone can do to change it. The only choice about being gay is whether or not to deal with it. It doesn't matter how LOVINGLY you tell me that homosexuality is wrong. Save your breath.
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November 7th, 2006 at 8:59 pmFor those of you who are struggling with your Sexuality, or are friends/family of a Homosexual, there is HOPE for you.
November 8th, 2006 at 3:28 pmI have read a book and have used it in a Book/Bible Study at my Church.
This book will offer you a new, refreshing perspective on Homosexuality, Christianity and just exactly what the Bible says and does NOT say about Homosexuality. I highly recommend everyone read and study this book.
The bibliography is tremendous. These authors have done their homework on this subject and they bring to light many things I had never seen or heard taught or preached before. I found it refreshing and very enlightening.
You may be surprised to find that Jesus never mentions anything remotely related that could be interpreted as condemnation of this subject. And where he does possibly discuss what we today call Homosexual or meets a Homosexual, his responses might surprise you.
Any how, as a Minister I highly recommend the book; "The Children are Free" Re-examining the Biblical Evidence on Same-Sex Commited Relationships" By Rev. Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley.You can purchase this book at: http://www.jesusmcc.orgMay the Truth of God's word set ALL those who are captive to the guilt and shame they feel over their sexuality, find freedom in Jesus Christ.
Freedom from Guilt, Shame and Condemnation. For in Christ there is therefore NO Condemnation.
I pray that someone is able to Minister to Ted Haggard the TRUE word of God and the Freeing Message of God's Love. Pray that Ted and others like him will eventually find Truth and Freedom in Christ.
I know the Truth has set me free and my life is a place of Happiness, Joy and Love. I am able to Worship the Lord in Spirit and in TRUTH!
No Lies, No Deciet, No Deception, No Cover-ups, No Closets to hide in...
Freedom in Christ - That's the Message of Jesus!
Although it's nice to believe the Bible is tolerant of homosexuality, I find it difficult to maintain that belief when I read, say, the Pauline epistles. I *disagree* with Paul when he states all homosexuals will be condemnded to Hell. Anyone being condemned to Hell is inconceivable, and, personally, I cannot worship a God who would commit such a heinous immoral act. Obviously, I think the Bible gets it wrong in places :-).
The basic tenets of what Jesus taught can be followed regardless of one's sexuality. I would argue that following Jesus' pragmatic teachings outlined in the Synoptic Gospels is closer to Jesus' original intent that what the current day fundamentalistic Christians emphasize.
Homosexuality is not a disease. It does not need curing. Fundamentalistic Christianity on the other hand...
November 9th, 2006 at 1:12 amThere are many, many gay and lesbian christians throughout the world. Wake up and face reality. In fact, many pastors, evangelists, missionaries and lay persons are homosexual. The real sin is that they feel pressured to conform to an orientation completely foreign to their genetic makeup. Therefore, you create situations where, as in Haggard's case, they have to lie and hide their very being. I follow the teachings of Christ and that is the true definition of a christian. Not some man made philosophy to keep the masses in check. Shame on you for not excepting the true nature of Christ.
November 9th, 2006 at 1:27 pmAnd people wonder why this country is so messed up! People think homosexuality is a sin...how about deceiving and entire congregation. You know he's going to emerge in a few months as a "reformed homosexual". Hate to tell you this, but there is no such thing! If you are gay, you ARE gay!
November 21st, 2006 at 11:45 amSee, now THAT is the biggest deception -- that you ARE gay. Committing homosexual acts is the same as committing any other kind of sin. If I'm married but I constantly want to fool around with other women, does that mean I AM an adulterer? "Sorry, that's just the way I am, honey, no offense." Give me a break. I understand that homosexuality may be a very seductive and an extremely difficult bondage to break, but it does not define your identity as a person. I believe certain "genetic" (generational) and environmental factors make it harder for some than others, but everyone has their demons to battle. Homosexuality seems like it is more insidious than most though for the very reason that it tries to convince you that you just ARE that way and not only shouldn't you try to fight it but there is nothing to fight. Just go with it. Well, since our behavior needs to conform to God's standards and not vice-versa, it is delusional to think that you are living for God but not allowing Him to free you from homosexuality. Of course that freedom cannot be obtained apart from a real relationship with Jesus.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:32 amIn adress to pst 110.9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any
Who are the unrighteous?? Unbelievers. You are not unrighteous because you DO certain things...but because you have yet to believe. Verse 11 says "and such were(past tense) some of you." Because of their belif in Christ...they are no longer unrighteous- meaning they get to go to heaven...woOT! Verse 12 is completely amazing....but I'll leave you all to ponder in it's freedom.................
January 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmHeads up!
Ted Haggard is the spittin image of a guy named Kurt Steele...
Irrepressible scam artist deluxe...
Linking in scam.com...here is that thread...http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=22252&page=1&pp=40
Would the REAL Kurt Steele...I mean Ted Haggard please stand up and take a bow? Well...maybe not a bow...LOL!
CoolHankLuke1
February 11th, 2007 at 12:51 amFolks...
This is true history in the making here...Ted Haggard...super christian...Kurt Steele...super chrisitian...
Is he one in the same?
You be the judge...
Visit the thread.
You might want to check out the involvement with Dolly Parton this Kurt Steele and Tim Romero supposedly have going on!
Yeah, Dolly Parton needs these guys right? Been to DollyWood lately?
But again...you be the judge...old CoolHandLuke1 just reports...never judges...
February 11th, 2007 at 1:03 amOh...lest I forget...
Did I mention...Kurt Steele is a gay porn star?
FYI!
February 11th, 2007 at 1:05 amSo...will the real Kurt Steele...Ted Haggard...please stand?
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