“Measurements coordinated by the World Meteorological Organization indicate that the global average concentrations of carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide will increase this year too, said Geir Braathen, a climate specialist at the Geneva-based agency.”
Science is just a belief system and is not approved by God. Besides, everything will be fine once Jesus comes back… So when He asks why I sat by and let God’s creation be destroyed I can say “I didn’t want to interfere in your plan…”
Anyone not religious know the history of the second coming or why the religious still invoke Armegeddon even though it is way past its expiration date?
It refers to Har Megido, the hill of Megido, where the armies of the world are supposed to all gather at the end of the world.
Well they did this in 64AD when the Romans went there and went squish. Jesus didn’t pitch up so apparently the end of the world was cancelled.
It is generally dragged out the closet whenever something bad happens. Fall of Rome? Bye bye world. Great plague? Its the apocalypse. The Viking raids? Well I suppose you could call getting kidnapped and sold into slavery a kind of rapture. London burning down? Get with the end of times people. George Bush elected president? Yay, its time for the second coming (Kinda sick when you have a portion of the population hoping the president ends the world innit? I mean, rapturists who voted for Bush because they think he is the anti-Christ!) Israel and Lebanon? Armegeddon!
The history of doomsday is one full of prophets getting proved wrong to rather oddly disapointed crowds. The trouble is, when there is a real issue like the enviroment, these same crowds turn around and call it yet more Armegeddon talk. Previously this stuff had scripture and not much else supporting it – right now we have a whole load of science telling us to cool it with a pollution already and a whole load of nutters telling us that depriving the Osama’s boys of their prime source of income is going to be bad for the economy.
Carbon Dioxide, right….. Nitrous Oxide??
As in “laughing gas” nitrous oxide?
Is this a Neo-Con plot to control the world?
Rumpsfelt and his Big Drug buddies aren’t gonna like menbers of their own Cabal horning in on their mind control programs/pogroms……
Thanks for the lesson. I always turn to my fellow rational Atheists to explain the real reasons behind why organized religions believe nonsensical things…
Sadly, it seems that with Global Warming, they are manufacturing their wish.
I read an excellent article on The Guardian about how George Bush is feared only second to Osama in terms of world terror by Britian, Canada and Mexico. It was right on the money. So, I’m going to post it on my board at school, and see what the students have to say…
Thanks for the lesson. If you don’t, you really should write. You do it so well.
another republican, in a tough re-election, allegedly beats his wife:
Once a candidate for office gets a newspaper’s nod, he or she rarely loses it — at least for a current race. But knock your spouse around and you may be on thin ice.
That’s the lesson of a rare case in New York, where the Glens Falls daily pulled back its support for Rep. John Sweeney, a Republican in a very tough re-election fight. The Albany Times-Union and New York’s Daily News revealed this week that Sweeney’s wife had made a 911 call summoning police because her husband was dragging her around their house. He denied it, then admitted something happened that night, promised to enable documents to be released, then refused to do that.
Oh, and 64AD should read 67 AD. Sorry about the typo.
Another battle sited is the Battle of Megido, which was in 1918, but again, Jesus was a no show and the world is still tottering along on its axis. There is a theory that the guy who is really going to show up is Josiah, but he is also generally a no show in these events.
The advantage to the religious is that the end of the world, is generally conveniently mundane. Disease, war, famine, floods, the sorts of things which the people of the time knew about because they had seen it all before. The Norse made the mistake of getting exotic, so the end of times would have to be a pretty definite event complete with a huge snake and a pair of wolves eating the sun and moon – not the sort of thing where you could say “Well this is it” and not sound silly. With the Christian end of times myth, all you have got is a bit of flooding, some disease rolling around and a intensification of the near constant state of war the world finds itself in: And wow, you have scriptural evidence that the end is nigh.
With the Christian end of times myth, all you have got is a bit of flooding, some disease rolling around and a intensification of the near constant state of war the world finds itself in: And wow, you have scriptural evidence that the end is nigh.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 4, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Yeah, The Biblical text is certainly ambiguous enough to replace one description with another one that is similar, so that it is timelessly interpreted by whatever occupies planet …
I work with an animal science teacher who is really into this Armageddon stuff. The irony never cesases to drive me from the room when she starts talking about it. Her explanation of the dinosaur fossils goes against the very subject she teaches…. Astounding actually, how people will suspend reality to believe they are eternal.
Frankly, the idea of a finite existence is actually more welcoming to me. I really wouldn’t want to live forever. Especially not in the Heaven the Christians describe.
Compared to most folks on the planet, you’re extremely insightful on a vast array of many subjects. I am routinely impressed by your ability to remember all of that and explain it in a way that is enjoyable to read.
Isn’t it amazing how much science can be done if it’s not fettered by dogma?
Comment by Cheney/Voldemort 2008 Campaign HQ — November 4, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
It refers to Har Megido, the hill of Megido, where the armies of the world are supposed to all gather at the end of the world.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
I would put to that history is cyclical and that though it happened once, that does not explicitly mean it won’t happen again. Lightning does strike the same place twice after all…
I, for one, would like to avoid another Armageddon, whether metaphorical or not…
I tend to see history as being more of a looped tangled line, things repeat but not always in the order pre-ordained by history, and generally with a lot of unexpected bumps. If people learn from their history they can sort of untangle it just a little bit, preventing the worst case scenarios. If people ignore history, then not only do they repeat it, they make it worse.
The Rightwing in America has ignored history. They don’t really remember Reagan, Vietnam, McCarthyism etc… so they made the same mistakes all at the same time. Heck they haven’t even learned the history of Germany, or how as Hitler rose to power he demonised the left and made a big issue of “Degenerate Art.” They don’t remember how he felt about intellectuals, how he replaced judges with ideologues. Instead they curse the liberal judiciary and damn the liberal universities.
But, Americans are learning. The days of Coulter’s hatred being seriously considered as a valid argument, are numbered.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. And I am optimistic that those that learn will trimuph over those that don’t… It is evolutinoary sound, after all. It’s just that my faith in my fellow humans has taken some hits over the last few years…
It’s just that my faith in my fellow humans has taken some hits over the last few years…
Comment by Technodaoist — November 4, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
Know what you mean. Now I spend my day with teenagers, and it is like daily therapy because they are so hopeful and optimistic… Make me think there is still a chance for knowledge to win out over ignorance…
I think it’s interesting that this generated 25 or so comments, and the one about the gay crack-head evangelist generates 250 comments, and it came AFTER this. One is about Republican and Religious hypocrasy (oh really?? who knew?) and the other is about the possible destruction of the world. Which do you think should generate more press?
Knowledge winning out over ignorance? Yeah… I’ll definately hold my breath over that one. When reality shows loose their popularity. When politics starts to be about doing the right thing. When corporations think about something other than their own bottom line. Yeah… it could happen.
So, I guess most of us under 40 now know how we are going to die in 40, 50, 60 + years…
Thanks Corporate America.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:44 amSoon enough, Hippie with a pistol will visit this thread spewing his industry-sponsored lies about greenhouse gases.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:45 amAt that they will go up another 60% by the end of the century ((1.005**94 -1)*100).
November 4th, 2006 at 11:48 amAn increase in carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide only affects global temperatures if said gases have a liberal bias.
They are perfectly harmless when exhibiting a healthy conservative perspective on things.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:49 amScience is just a belief system and is not approved by God. Besides, everything will be fine once Jesus comes back… So when He asks why I sat by and let God’s creation be destroyed I can say “I didn’t want to interfere in your plan…”
/sarcasm
November 4th, 2006 at 11:53 amAnyone else wonder who Leonard Cohen was singing to in The Future?
November 4th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
Anyone not religious know the history of the second coming or why the religious still invoke Armegeddon even though it is way past its expiration date?
November 4th, 2006 at 12:08 pmWon’t carbon dioxide concentrations hit a record high every year until we stop putting more of it into the air than is removed naturally?
November 4th, 2006 at 12:19 pmAnother reason to vote Democratic this tuesday. However, watch out for the Diebold machines. Demand paper ballots.
November 4th, 2006 at 12:30 pmThe Lorax, By Dr. Suess.
Timeless children’s classic.
Apparently, most people missed it. Sad.
November 4th, 2006 at 12:30 pmunbelievable
It refers to Har Megido, the hill of Megido, where the armies of the world are supposed to all gather at the end of the world.
Well they did this in 64AD when the Romans went there and went squish. Jesus didn’t pitch up so apparently the end of the world was cancelled.
It is generally dragged out the closet whenever something bad happens. Fall of Rome? Bye bye world. Great plague? Its the apocalypse. The Viking raids? Well I suppose you could call getting kidnapped and sold into slavery a kind of rapture. London burning down? Get with the end of times people. George Bush elected president? Yay, its time for the second coming (Kinda sick when you have a portion of the population hoping the president ends the world innit? I mean, rapturists who voted for Bush because they think he is the anti-Christ!) Israel and Lebanon? Armegeddon!
The history of doomsday is one full of prophets getting proved wrong to rather oddly disapointed crowds. The trouble is, when there is a real issue like the enviroment, these same crowds turn around and call it yet more Armegeddon talk. Previously this stuff had scripture and not much else supporting it – right now we have a whole load of science telling us to cool it with a pollution already and a whole load of nutters telling us that depriving the Osama’s boys of their prime source of income is going to be bad for the economy.
November 4th, 2006 at 12:45 pmWhy should Bush care? He and his cronies can afford air-conditioned bunkers.
November 4th, 2006 at 12:47 pmCarbon Dioxide, right….. Nitrous Oxide??
November 4th, 2006 at 12:54 pmAs in “laughing gas” nitrous oxide?
Is this a Neo-Con plot to control the world?
Rumpsfelt and his Big Drug buddies aren’t gonna like menbers of their own Cabal horning in on their mind control programs/pogroms……
Bruce,
Thanks for the lesson. I always turn to my fellow rational Atheists to explain the real reasons behind why organized religions believe nonsensical things…
Sadly, it seems that with Global Warming, they are manufacturing their wish.
I read an excellent article on The Guardian about how George Bush is feared only second to Osama in terms of world terror by Britian, Canada and Mexico. It was right on the money. So, I’m going to post it on my board at school, and see what the students have to say…
Thanks for the lesson. If you don’t, you really should write. You do it so well.
November 4th, 2006 at 1:10 pma bit off-thread, but…
another republican, in a tough re-election, allegedly beats his wife:
November 4th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
But if Bush claims there’s no problem with global warming, then it must be true. After all, Bush never lies.
November 4th, 2006 at 1:53 pmhttp://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-with-long-standing-tradition.html
unbelievable
Eh, I am trying but I doubt I will ever manage the next Le Morté De Arthur (Or, a book that will change the world.) Just realise I don’t have an absolute in depth knowledge of everything to do with Armegeddon, just what I picked up in school, and a bit from the various different sources while I was figuring out my Atheism, and a bit from reading up on history.
Oh, and 64AD should read 67 AD. Sorry about the typo.
Another battle sited is the Battle of Megido, which was in 1918, but again, Jesus was a no show and the world is still tottering along on its axis. There is a theory that the guy who is really going to show up is Josiah, but he is also generally a no show in these events.
The advantage to the religious is that the end of the world, is generally conveniently mundane. Disease, war, famine, floods, the sorts of things which the people of the time knew about because they had seen it all before. The Norse made the mistake of getting exotic, so the end of times would have to be a pretty definite event complete with a huge snake and a pair of wolves eating the sun and moon – not the sort of thing where you could say “Well this is it” and not sound silly. With the Christian end of times myth, all you have got is a bit of flooding, some disease rolling around and a intensification of the near constant state of war the world finds itself in: And wow, you have scriptural evidence that the end is nigh.
November 4th, 2006 at 2:03 pmIsn’t it amazing how much science can be done if it’s not fettered by dogma?
November 4th, 2006 at 2:03 pmWith the Christian end of times myth, all you have got is a bit of flooding, some disease rolling around and a intensification of the near constant state of war the world finds itself in: And wow, you have scriptural evidence that the end is nigh.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 4, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Yeah, The Biblical text is certainly ambiguous enough to replace one description with another one that is similar, so that it is timelessly interpreted by whatever occupies planet …
I work with an animal science teacher who is really into this Armageddon stuff. The irony never cesases to drive me from the room when she starts talking about it. Her explanation of the dinosaur fossils goes against the very subject she teaches…. Astounding actually, how people will suspend reality to believe they are eternal.
Frankly, the idea of a finite existence is actually more welcoming to me. I really wouldn’t want to live forever. Especially not in the Heaven the Christians describe.
Compared to most folks on the planet, you’re extremely insightful on a vast array of many subjects. I am routinely impressed by your ability to remember all of that and explain it in a way that is enjoyable to read.
Thanks!
November 4th, 2006 at 2:50 pmIsn’t it amazing how much science can be done if it’s not fettered by dogma?
Comment by Cheney/Voldemort 2008 Campaign HQ — November 4, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Definitely
November 4th, 2006 at 2:51 pmIt refers to Har Megido, the hill of Megido, where the armies of the world are supposed to all gather at the end of the world.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
I would put to that history is cyclical and that though it happened once, that does not explicitly mean it won’t happen again. Lightning does strike the same place twice after all…
I, for one, would like to avoid another Armageddon, whether metaphorical or not…
November 4th, 2006 at 3:06 pmTechnodaoist
I tend to see history as being more of a looped tangled line, things repeat but not always in the order pre-ordained by history, and generally with a lot of unexpected bumps. If people learn from their history they can sort of untangle it just a little bit, preventing the worst case scenarios. If people ignore history, then not only do they repeat it, they make it worse.
The Rightwing in America has ignored history. They don’t really remember Reagan, Vietnam, McCarthyism etc… so they made the same mistakes all at the same time. Heck they haven’t even learned the history of Germany, or how as Hitler rose to power he demonised the left and made a big issue of “Degenerate Art.” They don’t remember how he felt about intellectuals, how he replaced judges with ideologues. Instead they curse the liberal judiciary and damn the liberal universities.
But, Americans are learning. The days of Coulter’s hatred being seriously considered as a valid argument, are numbered.
November 4th, 2006 at 3:51 pmIf people learn from their history
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Therein lies the rub…
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. And I am optimistic that those that learn will trimuph over those that don’t… It is evolutinoary sound, after all. It’s just that my faith in my fellow humans has taken some hits over the last few years…
November 4th, 2006 at 3:56 pmIt would help if there was a spell checker…
*evolutionarily sound
:)
November 4th, 2006 at 3:57 pmIt’s just that my faith in my fellow humans has taken some hits over the last few years…
Comment by Technodaoist — November 4, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
Know what you mean. Now I spend my day with teenagers, and it is like daily therapy because they are so hopeful and optimistic… Make me think there is still a chance for knowledge to win out over ignorance…
November 4th, 2006 at 6:23 pmI think it’s interesting that this generated 25 or so comments, and the one about the gay crack-head evangelist generates 250 comments, and it came AFTER this. One is about Republican and Religious hypocrasy (oh really?? who knew?) and the other is about the possible destruction of the world. Which do you think should generate more press?
Knowledge winning out over ignorance? Yeah… I’ll definately hold my breath over that one. When reality shows loose their popularity. When politics starts to be about doing the right thing. When corporations think about something other than their own bottom line. Yeah… it could happen.
November 6th, 2006 at 8:54 am