saying he was guilty ‘of sexually immoral conduct. - - Oh, I guess his flock chose to ignore the illegal drug purchase and most certainly its use. He may be granted forgiveness by his lemmings but the legal authorities are going to be down his throat (cough) on the meth.
YES the closeted hypocrite Ted Haggard resigned because otherwise his church membership told him he would be fired for immoral conduct with a male escort and for being a meth-head. Now OUT Bush please!
In conclusion we see a direct threat to our capitol bottom line and must act immediately to preserve our coffers. From this juncture foward you are not allowed to mention his name or assist him in any way or you wil be excamunicated.
How long before we hear that he is going to rehab?! Gotta silence that guy for a while, lest he spill the beans that he was W’s Meth connection, and a connection of another sort?!
Remember that guy Hager, who headed up some committee on the FDA, who was sodomizing his wife in the middle of the night? It was about that time that I thought there was some serious sexual perversion going on at the higher levels of the Bush Admin. Bush himself is a closeted gay man. Check out this site, and also the home page has tons of other dirt on the whole administration and the shit we have put up with for six years. http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismsgay.html#GAY
Why are there so many pedophile (and now gay) republicans? Says:
It’s like the end of an era….a groggy sleep that I’m just waking from. Haggert is a synbol of that dismise…that I will be fully awake bt Tuesday and ready toi kick some ass! Go out and vote, and get thiese Family Value liars out of office. If for wahtever reason this election is rigged and those people retain the house we need to take it to the streets.
This one was so rich it bears repeating. It was written as a “closing remark” to the church’s letter kicking poor Ted out of heaven:
Bottom Line
In conclusion we see a direct threat to our capitol bottom line and must act immediately to preserve our coffers. From this juncture foward you are not allowed to mention his name or assist him in any way or you wil be excamunicated.
BTW, I am ready to extend forgiveness once Haggard earns it, as follows:
1. Completely confess to his actions.
2. Renounce his hypocritical stand regarding homosexuality.
3. Acknowledge that his religion is a hateful sham, and dedicate his life to undoing the damage he has done by perpetuating the Christian fantasy myth.
HYPOCRITES!
Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing the opposite. What are your grounds to accuse people here of hypocrisy?
NO ONE IS WITHOUT SIN
Sin is a myth. It is defined as “a transgression of divine law”. Since divine law is a myth, it cannot be transgressed, therefore sin is a myth.
If we want to stay rooted in the real world, we can talk about ethics, which are cultural constructs, and transgression of ethics. You could then claim that “noone is without transgression of ethics” and that would doubtless be true. However, there are differences in scale of ethical transgressions.
Haggard’s transgressions were not among the very worst (murder, rape, etc.), but are far greater than minor ethical transgressions made by the bulk of humanity. His transgressions (monumental hypocrisy and the widespread dissemination of a hate-based, anti-humanist, destructive mythology) puts him in a category far beyond the level of minor and localized ethical lapses.
I reject your notion that because none of us are ethically perfect that we cannot render judgement against a slime of Haggard’s magnitude. Indeed, we are ethically compelled to render judgement in order to make it clear that his behavior is not acceptable and that the damage he has done should be repaired by liberal application of truth, compassion, and reality.
He can be forgiven, certainly, but he has a lot of work to do first.
The person responsible for building New Life Church into a multi-million dollar enterprise was Ted Haggard. You might say the Church is his business. Why should he be kicked out just because some people believe his behavior goes against conventional norms. It’s his church…stop trying to screw him out of what he is entitled to. OK…he did a little f…king around…but whats the big deal. We’re all human!!
…sin is a myth.
If we want to stay rooted in the real world, we can talk about ethics, which are cultural constructs, and transgression of ethics. You could then claim that “noone is without transgression of ethics†and that would doubtless be true. However, there are differences in scale of ethical transgressions.[..blah blah blah…]
Comment by gorn — November 4, 2006 @ 7:50 pm
jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
there are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…
Why is it that many of you are so quick to point out Haggard’s hypocrisy and forget your own, or that of Bill Clinton, or Ted Kennedy, and the list goes on. . . .
#29 “jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
there are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…”
Come on, Katy, you can do better than that. Sin, by any definition I am aware of, is a religious notion. For kbb to suggest that we “are all sinners” and therefore should forgive Haggard completely misses the fact that we don’t all buy into that religious notion in the first place. I am not beholden to that doctrine and so I am under no obligation to “forgive” on that basis.
The whole idea that “we are all sinners” is such a negative, self-defeating, and self-hating concept that it takes my breath away. It’s also a lame excuse for Haggard’s flock to look the other way.
Religion can be an extremely dangerous thing. We are protected from its excesses only by that thin scrap of paper called the Constitution. I guard it with jealosy, and you should too.
It is our duty as Americans to point out that words and concepts like “sin” serve only to mask the deep secular damage caused by Haggard and his ilk, but dressing it in religious clothing that people are afraid to touch.
I’m sorry if this causes you brain cramps, but there it is.
I think this is nuts: A guy at high status leading all these people, and frequently telling his followers that being gay is a sin, and probably drugs are bad too and you shouldn’t take them….just goes “oh sorry, I’m that guy I’ve been warning you about, see you later, I’m guilty of the same sexually immoral conduct I have been railing against my whole life, peace out.”
And the problem with this is the speaker of the house is gay, and Republican at that, making laws against gay marriage, and all that: legislation based on bigotry. The supreme court is made of old hags and stick in the mud white wiggs, and the 2 newly elected Psychopathic creatures Bushy got in there, and these people run your world!….8 people run America!…and stick in the mud, ultra conservative, government control freaks!
What is this, some kind of nut case’s view of the world where you project your own sins and everything you feel guilty about onto other people, so more than a million people will suffer their whole lives because of your misdirected guilt that shouldn’t be placed on you, but on millions of people!? This is CRAZY-NESS!
It’s completely sick! It puts into question everything the conservative voice says! Is the conservative voice just some nut with closet issues, and because of that, and because they are in power they can make millions and millions of people suffer just for this single, sick, little-minded creature!?
this garbage just proves how deadly and how much suffering goes on because of stick in the mud conservatives. Conservatives seem to be empty shells of leaves!…yet put all this nonsence into the normal, adult, and adjusted peoples!
Do you guys know how wonderful this world could be without conservative views controlling this world!? Do you know how much more advanced we would be? And I don’t mean flying cars either, I mean balls out spiritual transformation to a higher plane of existence, god-like status! Or being able to talk directly to God! Having God be your best buddy and speak to you everyday! …I am not kidding!
This just in: Ted Haggard caught snorting crank with George Bush in Jeff Gannon’s crack! Jeff Gannon denies this saying it was Haggard’s crank in Bush’s crack. Bush denies everything just because he’s just cracked.
sin1  [sin] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, sinned, sin‧ning.
–noun
1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam.
2. any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.
3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It’s a sin to waste time.
–verb (used without object)
4. to commit a sinful act.
5. to offend against a principle, standard, etc.
–verb (used with object)
6. to commit or perform sinfully: He sinned his crimes without compunction.
7. to bring, drive, etc., by sinning: He sinned his soul to perdition.
Well I, for one forgive him. I only care about his behavior, because he has entered the political arena, by helping to cause this GOP led gov’t into participating in “moral charades” like gay bashing and all that marriage crap. And for him to be an enormous hypocrite should be a wake up signal to all members of all religious flocks. Stop following these self annointed holy men…….if you are a christian,……..then start thinking about the “love thy neighbor” stuff….and “peace on earth” stuff. No person can connect you to god or jesus. You got to do it yourself. Stop acting like awestruck children…..and grow up.
I forgive Mr. Haggard….while I am sure his hate filled pitiful soul would condemn me. But then I don’t need no gay hookers. To make me feel better.
3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It’s a sin to waste time.
Comment by katy — November 4, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Depends on what you’re doing while “wasting time”…
jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
actually, you are the simple one. you seem convinced that your way is teh one way, and constantly feel compelled to insult anyone who sees the world differently. you wanna know what’s really simplier? you shutting up for once.
there are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…
when you aren’t smart enough to get it, posting your ignorance doesn’t change anything. better to keep it to yourself instead of confirming it in black & white.
sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers…
most definitely your sanctimonious commentary. at least the religious value something while the atheists’ posts are coherent. you just post smug superiority and ignorance. definitely you win this contest.
Although I take some satisfaction from seeing an evangelical pastor fall short of his own exhortations to his flock, I feel somewhat sympathetic towards the man. As I have read more about him, I understand that he was rather progressive in some of his views. His demise may actually have a negative effect in regards to the direction his megachurch and the organization of evangelical pastors he led takes from here. We may gain some political benefit from this short term. If so, I am hoping that we use that benefit in a way that demonstrates our willingness to attempt to reach consenses with our political foes on the major problems that face our country. As they would say; LORD knows there are enough to go around. A Pelosi led House would try to do that, I think.
Jesus Christ, YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing, she’s making a flippin’ joke.
she is a flippin joke. and no way she was making one. i get paid a lot of money to psychologically profile folks. it wasn’t a joke. it was an attempt to insult people who she cannot intellectually debate, to make herself feel better about being of average intelligence among a lot of really smart folks here.
This South Park episode is writing itself…. i can only sit back and laugh my ass off…. it’s almost reminiscent of the butters dad is gay episode but ties in the hypocrisy of the religious right, the bush cultists, and everything thats wrong with this country’s leadership so perfectly, matt and trey couldn’t have written it better…
the only one i’d feel slightly sorry for is his poor brainwashed wife who’s dirty laundry is being aired in public because of this cretin she’s married to, and his kids, who had to sit in that car while he basically announced he’s a meth junky and now outed pathological liar….
it is you who should re-read, without your natural sentitive inclination to care for those who are weaker than you. you’re a smart gal. you know she’s trying to compensate for being as dumb as a rock.
We are all entitled to our own opinions.
yes. that means i am entitled to this opinion of katty, and that you disapprove of her insulting religious and atheists by calling them annoying.
It’s Sat. night.
Let’s all just enjoy each other’s company, OK?
sweet thought. but, you’ll notice i wasn’t the first to start the insults. when will you realize that scolding those calling out the instigators isn’t the best way to direct your energy?
#39 katy
sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers…
Wow, so now I’m a proselytizer because you have difficulty parsing complex sentences.
I’m so happy to see you know how to use dictionary.com. Too bad for your case that the definitions are fundamentally religious in tone and in origin. Any others are secondary and derivative.
Try this one:
proselytize
To induce someone to convert to one’s own religious faith.
To induce someone to join one’s own political party or to espouse one’s doctrine.
As I have no interest in inducing you or anyone else into anything more provocative than minding your own business and keeping out of mine, I don’t think the word fits. Rest assured, if you want to be a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Wiccan, Druid, Zorastrian, Moonie, or a follower of the great pink unicorn that dwells beneath the sands of Mars, it is of no concern to me, as long as you don’t try to use the coercive powers of my government to proselytize it to others.
In short, I don’t think pointing out the logical fallacies of others is equated to proselytizing. More likely, I think you just have difficulty with big words.
Frankly, if you find it easier to deal with monosyllabic sound bites, perhaps you’re better off as a Republican where you can “stay the course” and not “cut and run” and avoid “flip flop flip flop” and say no to “do you want us to win”. Or stick with the koolaid drinkers where you can “praise the lord” and “pass the plate” and “write the check” and “close the brain”.
it was an attempt to insult people who she cannot intellectually debate, to make herself feel better about being of average intelligence among a lot of really smart folks here.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
As I re read katy´s word I can find any insult. If you were in Italy, Argentina or Spain (countries where people talk loudly as if they were fighting) you probably would run scared to death. She didnt insult, she wanted to make her point, which I dont agree, but she didnt insult anybody.
Frankly, if you find it easier to deal with monosyllabic sound bites, perhaps you’re better off as a Republican where you can “stay the course†and not “cut and run†and avoid “flip flop flip flop†and say no to “do you want us to winâ€.
precisely. katty claims to be a progressive, but everything she posts is derogatory of anyone who thinks differently than she does. since actions speak louder than words, Republican is a more appropriate definition for her sanctimony.
Or stick with the koolaid drinkers where you can “praise the lord†and “pass the plate†and “write the check†and “close the brainâ€.
Comment by gorn
“What is it with you guys deciding that you are the authority on someone else’s humor, or lack thereof?”
I did not find it humorous to have katy go ad hominem on me , unprovoked.
I know you’re sensitive to the joke thing from last night (where I defended you, BTW), but I think I can tell when I’m being directly insulted.
It’s a sad thing when one should be attacked for putting some thought into constructing a logical post, while hit-n-run posts are praised. Sometimes hit-n-run is more effective, but sometimes making a point to “the enemy” requires some actual descriptive content.
YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing is only here to start a flame war.
not at all. i was here to read think progress commentray, and came across katty’s insults and derision. i was simply calling her out on it. but you attacking me for pointing out the truth suggests that she cannot take care of herself, or that you want a flame war.
i assure you, i was not responsible for whomever attacked you last night. i have no issues with you and think you are exteremely clever.
I suggest we not respond any further.
yet you persist in doing so.
But ya’ll do what you want, because lord knows, I wouldn’t want to interfere with anyone’s First Amendment rights.
when you scold katty as you have me, then i’ll know you actually mean it to be a universal tennet and not just one you pull out for your friends.
Ok, so first she deconstructs my carefully worded post to “blah blah blah”, completely ignoring my point and suggesting that speaking in terms other than “sin” is pointless and too complicated.
Then in #39 she says sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers, calling me annoying and a proselytizer, equiated with the religious.
Can’t imagine how this would not be insulting.
I don’t mean to rain on your buddy parade, but the selective perception here is, in fact, annoying.
“What is it with you guys deciding that you are the authority on someone else’s humor, or lack thereof?â€
I did not find it humorous to have katy go ad hominem on me , unprovoked.
I know you’re sensitive to the joke thing from last night (where I defended you, BTW), but I think I can tell when I’m being directly insulted.
Comment by gorn
I apologize, gorn. My comment was not directed toward you at all, please believe that.
I think InferiorityComplex and Goodscarrier are one and the same, and the “you guys” referred only to them.
Im sorry…I CANT find any insult in Katy´s words.
in post 50, katty said:
sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers…
that’s an obvious insult.
in post 29 she insulted gorn in a more mild way. starting off a post with the word ‘jeez’ isn’t very promising. she could have been more mature about it, but she was definitely insulting him. his post was mature and intelligent and she starts off with ‘jeez’. yep, taking her side shows your hypocrisy, as we are all progressives here.
wow… just back from walking the dog… in time to watch rosanne on hbo shortly… the responses by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing (aka MakesMySkinCrawl, probably) are a crack up…
take care, ladies… and thanks… i hope i don’t have to return the favor!…
It’s a sad thing when one should be attacked for putting some thought into constructing a logical post, while hit-n-run posts are praised. Sometimes hit-n-run is more effective, but sometimes making a point to “the enemy†requires some actual descriptive content.
i couldn’t agree with you more. your posts was well written and respectful. katty attacked you.
I wonder what Ted will do now? I suppose he’ll join Exodus. He doesn’t strike me as a gay guy who’s going to embrace his homosexuality with open arms–playing Village People albums, watching Will & Grace reruns, volunteering for the HRC, and moving to either The Castro, South Beach, or West Hollywood.
I think he should attend beauty school and become a hairdresser. Not one hair on Ted’s head is out-of-place. He could become Jan Crouch’s personal hairdresser. Jan needs a major makeover.
Maybe Ted could become Mark Foley’s personal assistant? No, Ted’s too old. Maybe Ted could become Paul Crouch’s personal assistant? No, Ted’s not black. Maybe Ted could become George W. Bush’s personal assistant. No, George already has too many gay assistants. Maybe Ted could become Ken Mehlman’s personal assistant. No, Ted’s not as good-looking as Roy Cohn–Ken’s hero and role model. Maybe Ted could become David Blow Dryer’s personal assistant. Hot damn! Hot damn!!! That’s it. A perfect match with David Blow Dryer–A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN. Hair! Hair! Dryer! Dryer! All you need is a case of hairspray and we’re cookin.’
jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
there are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…
Comment by katy — November 4, 2006 @ 8:16 pm
Let’s look at what myth means…
myth  /mɪθ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mith] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.
I’m not sure why you don’t get it. My point about sin vs ethics had a cogent purpose. katy summarily dismissed it because she found it too complicated to follow. Fine, if she finds it that way, that’s ok, but she is free to skip the post and move on. She doesn’t have to insult me.
In response, it is entirely fair for me to suggest that if she wants to keep the words simple, then the style of the Rove and the religio-fascists is a perfect fit.
But grrrrrr, what is it with the misogyny of the last two nights?
not misogyny. i assure you. thanks for the laugh…
if you’d let go of your anger for something you are mis-perceiving, you might realize that this has nothing to do with katty’s gender and everything to do with her snotty insults.
take a deep breath. sometimes you gotta call people on their spoiled brat behavior when it crosses the line. she did. more than once. in fact, it is routine with her. tonight, i decided to point it out, and find out that people i thought were fair are actually not so much.
Can’t imagine how this would not be insulting.
I don’t mean to rain on your buddy parade, but the selective perception here is, in fact, annoying.
Comment by gorn
I agree with you that she wasnt expressing in the best terms…I guess she doesnt tolerate too much religious bashing…therefore, the comment she did. I dont agree with what she said, I agree with you about the sin thing. But for me, thats not an insult. To me an insult is to see poor people begging in the streets while politicians earn fortunes while doing nothing, when people decidedly ignores its own culture, when I see people celebrating some flying jets carrying tons of bombs…you get the picture? Thats an insult for me. Ok, I know, Im nobody to say what must be an insult to you, but is it possible that you are overreacting?
if you’d let go of your anger for something you are mis-perceiving,
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 10:04 pm
OMG!
You are accusing me of what you are guilty of!
I’m not angry at all.
Remember, I was the one saying “Let’s not ruin the night”?
It’s your pit bull hold on one sentence that is ruining the night. YOU need to let go.
This sounds an awful lot like “Goods” from last night; the digging in of the heels, the absolute refusal to compromise, the total black/white thinking.
I think I’ve had enough of trying to reason with you.
You have not, however, made me angry.
Frankly, it’s not worth it.
it’s an expression to let you know that both of the judgments you made about me were incorrect.
trying to spin it into something it isn’t is what you would call a strawman.
Some numerical method to make yourself think you are winning or something? Oh, now I get your poster name.
it’s not about winning. it’s about telling katy to learn some manners. as this goes on, i see you could use them yourself.
Its not about sides…(against me or any other), its about common sense.
then use it. katty attacked gorn, and then two groups of people. common sense says that calling her on it and then getting attacked only proves that the left is no less hypocritical than the right. thanks for educating meon that juan. i used to like you before i found out tonight that you are not that far removed from those you call hateful.
none of my posts to you, zooey, or trueblue were with malice. the fact that you assume it is very disappointing.
How long before Brian Houston (australia hillsong) goes down? Not too long I expect. He’s also a fraud, and shuffles his money around to avoid tax. What a hypocrite! His father was finally exposed 30 years after a homosexual pedophile encounter, and continued to preach and pretend all those years. It may take time, but in the end, they are all exposed, so wait and watch.
I certainly agree that in the grand scheme of world problems, your examples vastly trump mine! :-(
At the same time, I think these things are best approached with thoughtful consideration and logic, and I think it’s important that we not attack those who try to do so. That is the approach of The Enemy, and it is fundamentally why George Bush defeated the intellectually superior Gore and Kerry.
Okay, so a clump of broccoli is also intellectually superior to Dubya. That’s beside the point.
not at all. i have’t capitalized anything or used exclamation marks.
I’m not angry at all.
Remember, I was the one saying “Let’s not ruin the night�
actions speak louder than words.
It’s your pit bull hold on one sentence that is ruining the night. YOU need to let go.
i haven’t ruined anything. this has persisted because you, zooey and juan just blindly defended katty’s bad behavior - very much in pit bull fashion. that’s projecting.
This sounds an awful lot like “Goods†from last night; the digging in of the heels, the absolute refusal to compromise, the total black/white thinking.
i haven’t refused to compromise. you haven’t suggested a compromise. you suggested i do what you want, and then got upset when i didn’t accept. you’ve offered no means for consensus here.
I think I’ve had enough of trying to reason with you.
You have not, however, made me angry.
Frankly, it’s not worth it.
you haven’t tried to reason with me. you accused me of being wrong and have been becoming more forceful in your efforts to convince me that i should shut up or i am responsible for ruingin your night. child psychology doesn’t work very well on me.
it’s not about winning. it’s about telling katy to learn some manners. as this goes on, i see you could use them yourself.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 10:19 pm
Who the frig are you to tell us we don’t have manners?
none of my posts to you, zooey, or trueblue were with malice. the fact that you assume it is very disappointing.
We are disappointing to you?
How Authoritarian of you.
i’m losing respect for you. i simply defended gorn, as you defend katty, yet i’m the bad guy.
Oh for f*ck’s sake.
nope. i am not goodscarrier.
Fine.
I’m not in the argument between you and katy.
Please accept my apology, gorn. yes you are. as well as the one between me and katy. Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
I will decide what I am involved in, thank you very much.
Frankly, at this point, I don’t care if you respect me or not.
Just leave me alone, and I’ll leave you alone — ok?
i never said that. i expressed an opinion for which i was attacked. making it seem that you think you are right and that gorn and i were wrong for being offended by katty’s insults.
the fact that you’ve blamed all this on me when i didn’t actually do anything is not really very rational of you. seems that you are attacking me to absolve anger you feel over something that someone else perpetrated last night.
that was not me.
Wow. What an appropriate name you have…
:-}
yes, ad hominems will convince me you are being rational. sad. i thought you capable of being fair.
Hey! Did ya’ll hear? Ted Haggard resigned! The church’s investigative board recommended removal, saying he was guilty ‘of sexually immoral conduct.’â€
That’s some nasty shit, right there — and the topic of the thread! What do you have to say about our Mr Haggard InferiorityComplex? And anyone else? :}
That’s some nasty shit, right there — and the topic of the thread! What do you have to say about our Mr Haggard InferiorityComplex? And anyone else? :}
What do you have to say about our Mr Haggard InferiorityComplex? And anyone else? :}
so much for leaving me alone :)
i sorta feel sorry for the guy on one hand, because he was clearly in denial of his true sexual identity as his religious culture had taught him to do. i’d feel nearly fully sorry for him if he weren’t such a vocal oppoenent for anti-gay sentiment. he’s responsible for a lot of negative for innocent gay people.
i hope he gets help. from people who won’t judge him or need to ‘fix’ him into a straight man.
Good evening, dear — I’m trying to make nice with our new person, see #104. Ya mind!?
i’m not new.
i chose to use a different name because it saves me a long term battle. just wanted to make my point to katy and not have to re-hash it every time i post, because i have seen her in action with others.
I’m kinda on JPark’s side on this one.
We asked nice. Said look again. Tried to say not to ruin the night.
He’s clearly in a pissing match.
JPark, being of Greek Descent, is fully qualified to take him on, so to speak…
:-}
I’m kinda on JPark’s side on this one.
We asked nice. Said look again. Tried to say not to ruin the night.
He’s clearly in a pissing match.
JPark, being of Greek Descent, is fully qualified to take him on, so to speak…
jpark was being immature. nice to know you approve. i guess i’m seeing the real you here?
i’m not into pissing matches. but i am into pointing out the obvious. not sure why it’s always so hard to see.
i simply agreed with gorn’s sentiments. after all, he felt insulted. seemed that validating his feelings was long over due where she is concerned. i’ve seen her do it before, to him and a few others who are thoughtful and intellectual.
but for someone who has such distain, you sure are making a lot of effort to keep me engaged.
funny… as in haha funny. considering this is posted and i assume she is capable of coming back and reading it.
doesn’t matter anyway.
as for mr. haggard, well, he may turn out to be a democraic hero. i’m sure there were those on the fence who just picked a side. lets hope. we can’t afford for to continue on this path. and i don’t think the world will tolerate much more before the battle is brought here. ironically, exactly what bush promised to be preventing.
Inferiority, perhaps I was being immature, it wouldn’t be the first time. However, it may be the only defence against your incredible arrogance. You think you are something special. I would definitely disagree.
but for someone who has such distain, you sure are making a lot of effort to keep me engaged.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 11:26 pm
Tried to be nice. tried to speak to your more rational side.
Didn’t work. That’s why that post you quoted of mine wasn’t even directed at you.
Talk about effort to keep someone engaged.
You are nothing but a “Hendler” to me, and will henceforth be ignored.
as for mr. haggard, well, he may turn out to be a democraic hero. i’m sure there were those on the fence who just picked a side.
He could have been a hero for the gay community, but I don’t think he’s got the cojones to do it.
i don’t think the world will tolerate much more before the battle is brought here. ironically, exactly what bush promised to be preventing.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
You’re probably right, but I hope you turn out to be wrong. GWB has ruined this country. He has the reverse midas touch.
i wrote this in responce to a sick person’s quote on a conservative blog, it’s really good. “the left is just filled to the brim with people who hate America”
Hahahahaha! Oh that’s funny ******. Your head so filled with fantasy and bigotry I wonder how you think you have any business in discussing anything. It’s quite a grand delusion you suffer from I just wish you could see it someday. You have so much irrational ignorance and hate it must be a product of your own self-hate that you project onto others! Or perhaps your mimicking the people you are jealous of, the Left, because they actually have a group of people they can give real and warranted criticisms to, instead of being a mimic who devalues the real critisms when using critism incorrectly.
I really have no other comment than that. Your posts never had any political merit, it’s all falsehood from a sick mind. I can’t add anything to argue about because you delete posts or ingnore the truth when people post, you ignore the truth! That’s it! There is no debate with your kind, conservatives, your just dogs going to the slaughter, and the slaughter is bigotry, the absence of a human conscienceness, guilt, feeling, care, or truth. And you never listen. You don’t care. And that’s what makes you less than the rest of us humans. The Left is out here debating and talking, but the Conservatives act agressive, irrational, unwavering, arrogant and ignore the thinkers and discourse, perfectly happy to be a obstacle, a trouble maker, a pain in the butt for everyone else. Yet still having a void, they should be happy that they have their own group, the goal of being a obstacle for someone, it’s the very thing that makes Conservatives a counter to the Left and also the very thing that gives them this void, it is the absence of truth and being actually right.
Rev. Ted’s sure to write a confessional novel, so full of contrite and self-abasing pap that you almost can see him scourging himself with the mouse as he types.
Tried to be nice. tried to speak to your more rational side.
no you didn’t. you told me to behave in a way that was acceptable to you, and then pitched a temper tantrum when i didn’t comply.
Didn’t work. That’s why that post you quoted of mine wasn’t even directed at you.
Talk about effort to keep someone engaged.
we’re both smarter than that, and you’re not a very good liar.
You are nothing but a “Hendler†to me, and will henceforth be ignored.
i am nothing like jason m. hendler. for you to equate us shows you have no willingness to be reasonable here. that’s your prerogative. but don’t expect me to accept it just because you said so.
You’re probably right, but I hope you turn out to be wrong. GWB has ruined this country. He has the reverse midas touch.
i hope you’re right and i’m wrong. a lot.
that he does. i had so hoped he would have been ousted in 2004. i still can’t believe people fell for his trick twice. glad he won’t get a third shot at it. i just hope a deomcrat does. someone like feingold or obama perhaps. i just hope they manage to stay clean and keep their spines. we need leadership now more than ever.
foley and the “meth and man-massages” will hopefully suppress enough of the biblehumper vote to do the job. I imagine alot of the holy roller homophobes will stay home weeping and crutching a crucifix while trying to wipe the horrible image of thier pastor getting a backrub from one of the Village People out of their heads.
He fights every freaking sentence.
Anal retentive, as Freud would say.
So, my start page is now stating he was fired, instead of “forced to resign”.
It may mean the same thing, but there sure is a bigger connotation to “Fired” than “Forced to resign”
someone like feingold or obama perhaps. i just hope they manage to stay clean and keep their spines. we need leadership now more than ever.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
I like Feingold. I wish he’d speak up more. Maybe he is, but the MSM isn’t covering it. Who knows? We just need someone who isn’t going to f*cking cave every time a wingnut says BOO.
I imagine alot of the holy roller homophobes will stay home weeping and crutching a crucifix while trying to wipe the horrible image of thier pastor getting a backrub from one of the Village People out of their heads.
I like Feingold. I wish he’d speak up more. Maybe he is, but the MSM isn’t covering it. Who knows?
highly likely, considering who owns the media outlets.
We just need someone who isn’t going to f*cking cave every time a wingnut says BOO.
no kidding. the passivity of some of these folks is staggering. it’s a wonder they were ever elected to in the first place.
well, officially by the think progress timeclock, we’ll see in two more days what we’re dealing with. if the democrats do take over both the house and senate, perhaps that will give them the inspiration they need to be better leaders, while energizing the party.
well, nice talking to you. i have to go walk the dog. he’s dancing a jig by the door.
Aw Hell, you know after a hard day of preachin about the sins of gays and their fornicatin felonious propensities, it’s just damn relaxin to snort some meth and get a massage with a good buddy.
Wow,
I am searching the web because of the whole Ted Haggard thing and came across your site here. To read what you all seem to feel shocks me. Some of you actually think things like…
That’s it! There is no debate with your kind, conservatives, your just dogs going to the slaughter, and the slaughter is bigotry, the absence of a human conscienceness, guilt, feeling, care, or truth. And you never listen. You don’t care. And that’s what makes you less than the rest of us humans.
This has certainly been an interesting read. I don’t agree with liberals on many issues, but I certainly wouldn’t call them dogs, or say they are less than the rest of us humans. I would actually discuss the issues. The thing is, you have listened to a small, yet public, slice of conservative thought, and you assume anyone who has conservative beliefs must be mindless idiots. Yet, you even argue with eachother and call eachother disparaging names and, for lack of a better word this late at night, idiots - when you don’t agree among yourselves.
I am bummed that the Haggard thing has given you one more reason to lump all Christians together and say that since we are still sinners God must not be real. I pray that God will put some people in your lives who can introduce you to who He really is. I’m not a Christian because I believe something, I’m a Christian because I have met Jesus Christ. He’s really more than I could ever explain. You trying to convince me He isn’t real, is like trying to convince me my mom isn’t real. You’ve never met her either, but she’s real. Jesus loves everyone. I don’t agree that Christians should try to get non-Christians to follow God’s commands. We can only live by them through the power of the Holy Spirit, and even then we fall short. It’s true that God calls lots of behaviors “sin” - but what does it matter what a non-Christian does? All He cares about with a non-Christian is that he come to know Jesus in a saving realationship. That said. I do believe our society has a right to make laws that reflect people’s beliefs/feeling. There are laws against jay-walking, but you don’t seem to mind. Jay-walking doesn’t hurt anyone, usually - and neither does gay sex. Our society allows us to make laws, and define marriage how we see fit. I don’t think peoples sexual conduct has any relevance in the national scene, I also don’t think homosexual marriage has to be recognized by the state. If it winds up being recognized, it will be a disappointment to me, but that’s about it. Not all of us are the hate-mongers you think we are. In fact, there is no “all of us”. Conservatives are individuals with varying positions on most issues.
Thanks, conservative. You’re preaching to the choir. We have many commenters on TP, from atheists to devout christians, and those who are very spiritual, and others not, so much.
If you hang around long enough, you might just see that most of us do not lump true christians in with the whackjobs.
WOW; Heck of a argument going on here tonight.
Is it possible that Katty’s swipe was not directed at gorn or Y.I.C.is S.;
but really a sucker punch to another well known belligerent atheist who posts here often?
I would actually discuss the issues.
Comment by conservative — November 5, 2006 @ 1:04 am
Self-described conservative visitors to this site are rarely interested in dicussing or debating. They are usually trying to derail the conversation, berate, belittle, and demean anyone who is not a conservative.
You are an exception.
you assume anyone who has conservative beliefs must be mindless idiots.
With all due respect, most self-described conservatives behave like mindless idiots. The thing is, the conservative movement has become a Bush personality cult. Anyone not prostrating themselves before the engraved image of the Great (mis)Leader is a traitor, terrorist appeaser, godless, un-American, should die, etc.
Conservatives have come to expect the Republican party, public figures (Limbaugh et al), and their churches to tell them how to vote and how to live. That is exactly what mindless idiots do.
You trying to convince me He isn’t real, is like trying to convince me my mom isn’t real.
I doubt anyone here will try to convince one way or another. See, some people here are devout Christians, some not so much, and others not at all. There is no unified opinion on religious matters.
Not all of us are the hate-mongers you think we are.
And yet, that is the side most conservatives posting here choose to show. You should read the angry, venomous tirades some of them post. Truly deranged stuff.
Although I have to admit the level of animosity has decreased since the disaffection with the Iraq war has grown.
Which brings me to my last point: The ongoing occupation of Iraq has been made possible by the unwavering support Pres Bush gets from his conservative base. Lives are being lost, people are getting hurt, money is being thrown down the toilet because conservatives would rather help their Great (mis)Leader save face than admit they were wrong and get people out of harm’s way. By continuing to support Pres Bush’s immoral foreign policy, they have become an immoral, unethical lot.
And while I am at it -where is Daryll, the nincompoop troll?
He was posting comments in the other thread about Haggard asking apologies from the ThinkProgress crowd because Haggard was such a man of god who had committed no sin and the whole thing was a liberal ploy, blah, blah, blah…
Well, Daryll? Care to retract your asinine comments? Care to show some intellectual honesty?
The thing is, you have listened to a small, yet public, slice of conservative thought, and you assume anyone who has conservative beliefs must be mindless idiots.
Conservatives are not the problem. Christians are not the problem.
The problem is neocon fascists masquerading as normal conservatives, and Christo-fascists masquerading as normal Christians. These groups have hijacked the Republican party, cowed the Democratic party, and crushed dissenting voices for the past six years.
I feel that true conservatives and those who have respect for the Constitution would want to vote Democratic on Tuesday, not because they agree with Democrats, but because they agree with the current regime even less.
True conservatives believe in fiscal restraint, small government, and cautious foreign interventions. Ordinary Christians understand that government neutrality in matters of religion and morality is the best protection for their own religious rights. Look at what has happened over the past 6 years and it should be obvious that these ideals have been demolished.
These monsters who currently have a stranglehold on the government are using conservatives and using Christians for their own largely incompatible ends.
You should vote Democratic for that reason alone. If you can’t bring yourself to do that, then withhold your vote as a personal protest.
With all due respect, most self-described conservatives behave like mindless idiots. The thing is, the conservative movement has become a Bush personality cult. Anyone not prostrating themselves before the engraved image of the Great (mis)Leader is a traitor, terrorist appeaser, godless, un-American, should die, etc.
You have a very limited sampling of self-described conservatives. I haven’t visited this site before tonight, but I take your word for the conservatives you’ve heard from being the things you mentioned above. However, I know lots of conservatives, and none of them are the kind of person you describe. If you want to be progressive thinking, then it seems to me you owe it to yourself to get to know what mainstream conservatives think based on who they are, not based on what some public figure says. Do you really think the thousands of people who disagree with you about political issues are all Pat Robertson puppets? (you can put in any name that works for you there)
As far as being Bush worshippers goes…
Again, you insist on blaming people who think differently than you of being mindless. That’s not progressive thinking. That’s not even an issue to discuss. I happen to agree with President Bush on many issues. I am appauled by some of the ways things have been handled by this administration. - Katrina aft
FABULOUS!
November 4th, 2006 at 6:27 pmbout the only choice he and the Church had.
November 4th, 2006 at 6:30 pmGood for them.
Pat Robertson should get the boot next.
November 4th, 2006 at 6:32 pmsaying he was guilty ‘of sexually immoral conduct. - - Oh, I guess his flock chose to ignore the illegal drug purchase and most certainly its use. He may be granted forgiveness by his lemmings but the legal authorities are going to be down his throat (cough) on the meth.
November 4th, 2006 at 6:34 pm“…guilty ‘of sexually immoral conduct…’ ”
November 4th, 2006 at 6:34 pmAND repeatedly lying to the church, the media and the world.
so long, lying hypocrite
November 4th, 2006 at 6:34 pmYES the closeted hypocrite Ted Haggard resigned because otherwise his church membership told him he would be fired for immoral conduct with a male escort and for being a meth-head. Now OUT Bush please!
November 4th, 2006 at 6:36 pmthat interview in the car was while his wife and kids were sitting right there.
Notice as he starts to really explain about the drugs, she gives him that stare that every husband has seen.
Ouch!
November 4th, 2006 at 6:40 pmIn conclusion we see a direct threat to our capitol bottom line and must act immediately to preserve our coffers. From this juncture foward you are not allowed to mention his name or assist him in any way or you wil be excamunicated.
November 4th, 2006 at 6:41 pmONE MORE NEOCON DOWN!!
November 4th, 2006 at 6:55 pmHow long before we hear that he is going to rehab?! Gotta silence that guy for a while, lest he spill the beans that he was W’s Meth connection, and a connection of another sort?!
Remember that guy Hager, who headed up some committee on the FDA, who was sodomizing his wife in the middle of the night? It was about that time that I thought there was some serious sexual perversion going on at the higher levels of the Bush Admin. Bush himself is a closeted gay man. Check out this site, and also the home page has tons of other dirt on the whole administration and the shit we have put up with for six years. http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismsgay.html#GAY
Oy vey!!
Styve
November 4th, 2006 at 6:56 pmguilty ‘of sexually immoral conduct.’â€
well, i’ll say… hypocrisy is immoral too, least in my book…
the guy just reeks of sleaze…
November 4th, 2006 at 6:57 pmPoor Ted, looks like he’s really taking it on the chin.
-GSD
November 4th, 2006 at 6:59 pmIt’s like the end of an era….a groggy sleep that I’m just waking from. Haggert is a synbol of that dismise…that I will be fully awake bt Tuesday and ready toi kick some ass! Go out and vote, and get thiese Family Value liars out of office. If for wahtever reason this election is rigged and those people retain the house we need to take it to the streets.
November 4th, 2006 at 7:06 pmWow, guess they want him gone before Tuesday!
November 4th, 2006 at 7:23 pmHYPOCRITES! NO ONE IS WITHOUT SIN….IF YOU ARE CAST THE FIRST STONE. FORGIVENESS IS LIFE.
November 4th, 2006 at 7:25 pm#16 HYPOCRITES! NO ONE IS WITHOUT SIN….IF YOU ARE CAST THE FIRST STONE. FORGIVENESS IS LIFE
Hey, kbb, look over this way…
*** whoooshhhhhh ***
November 4th, 2006 at 7:31 pm*** thock ***
>
This one was so rich it bears repeating. It was written as a “closing remark” to the church’s letter kicking poor Ted out of heaven:
Bottom Line
In conclusion we see a direct threat to our capitol bottom line and must act immediately to preserve our coffers. From this juncture foward you are not allowed to mention his name or assist him in any way or you wil be excamunicated.
by: Your Conscience @ Nov 04, 2006 — 4:45 PM MST
November 4th, 2006 at 7:32 pmSince it is a felony to buy meth…hope to see that grin wiped right off his face…
November 4th, 2006 at 7:41 pmMan, that Haggard is UGLY! No wonder he had to pay for sex.
November 4th, 2006 at 7:43 pmPoor Ted, looks like he’s really taking it on the chin.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — November 4, 2006 @ 6:59 pm
OMG, GSD…..
funny,… but not a pretty visual…!
November 4th, 2006 at 7:44 pmWhen is the obligatory “I am going into rehab” speech coming?
November 4th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#16
BTW, I am ready to extend forgiveness once Haggard earns it, as follows:
1. Completely confess to his actions.
2. Renounce his hypocritical stand regarding homosexuality.
3. Acknowledge that his religion is a hateful sham, and dedicate his life to undoing the damage he has done by perpetuating the Christian fantasy myth.
HYPOCRITES!
Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing the opposite. What are your grounds to accuse people here of hypocrisy?
NO ONE IS WITHOUT SIN
Sin is a myth. It is defined as “a transgression of divine law”. Since divine law is a myth, it cannot be transgressed, therefore sin is a myth.
If we want to stay rooted in the real world, we can talk about ethics, which are cultural constructs, and transgression of ethics. You could then claim that “noone is without transgression of ethics” and that would doubtless be true. However, there are differences in scale of ethical transgressions.
Haggard’s transgressions were not among the very worst (murder, rape, etc.), but are far greater than minor ethical transgressions made by the bulk of humanity. His transgressions (monumental hypocrisy and the widespread dissemination of a hate-based, anti-humanist, destructive mythology) puts him in a category far beyond the level of minor and localized ethical lapses.
I reject your notion that because none of us are ethically perfect that we cannot render judgement against a slime of Haggard’s magnitude. Indeed, we are ethically compelled to render judgement in order to make it clear that his behavior is not acceptable and that the damage he has done should be repaired by liberal application of truth, compassion, and reality.
He can be forgiven, certainly, but he has a lot of work to do first.
November 4th, 2006 at 7:50 pmSo, hows that “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy working for ya?
November 4th, 2006 at 7:57 pmThe person responsible for building New Life Church into a multi-million dollar enterprise was Ted Haggard. You might say the Church is his business. Why should he be kicked out just because some people believe his behavior goes against conventional norms. It’s his church…stop trying to screw him out of what he is entitled to. OK…he did a little f…king around…but whats the big deal. We’re all human!!
November 4th, 2006 at 8:07 pmThe republicans are in their last throes, if you will. YIPPEEEEE!!!
November 4th, 2006 at 8:14 pmEd Deevey,
when you make a joke here, it’s best that you put
/sarcasm off/
after your post, or else you’ll end up being perceived as a troll.
Just a little FYI…
:)
November 4th, 2006 at 8:14 pmSheesh,
The congregation speaks up (Ed Deevy).
Where shall we begin?
1) He’s a lying deviant, and has NO RIGHT running a church
2)”Church” and “multi-million dollar enterprise” don’t belong in the same sentence
3)It’s not “some people” who believe his behavior is wrong, but a MAJORITY of people
4)It’s not his church, churches belong to the congregation
5)We’re all human, but he’s a role model in a power position for a supposedly Biblical enterprise!
Please, grow a brain stem before posting such ignorance.
November 4th, 2006 at 8:16 pm…sin is a myth.
If we want to stay rooted in the real world, we can talk about ethics, which are cultural constructs, and transgression of ethics. You could then claim that “noone is without transgression of ethics†and that would doubtless be true. However, there are differences in scale of ethical transgressions.[..blah blah blah…]
Comment by gorn — November 4, 2006 @ 7:50 pm
jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
November 4th, 2006 at 8:16 pmthere are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…
oh yea - his church all right…”get off my land immediately!”…
November 4th, 2006 at 8:23 pmyou all need to see this:
Scientist Richard Dawkins Questions Pastor Haggard
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2006/ 11/ 03/ scientist-richard-dawkins-questions-pastor-haggard/
.
Why is it that many of you are so quick to point out Haggard’s hypocrisy and forget your own, or that of Bill Clinton, or Ted Kennedy, and the list goes on. . . .
November 4th, 2006 at 8:26 pm#29 “jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
there are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…”
Come on, Katy, you can do better than that. Sin, by any definition I am aware of, is a religious notion. For kbb to suggest that we “are all sinners” and therefore should forgive Haggard completely misses the fact that we don’t all buy into that religious notion in the first place. I am not beholden to that doctrine and so I am under no obligation to “forgive” on that basis.
The whole idea that “we are all sinners” is such a negative, self-defeating, and self-hating concept that it takes my breath away. It’s also a lame excuse for Haggard’s flock to look the other way.
Religion can be an extremely dangerous thing. We are protected from its excesses only by that thin scrap of paper called the Constitution. I guard it with jealosy, and you should too.
It is our duty as Americans to point out that words and concepts like “sin” serve only to mask the deep secular damage caused by Haggard and his ilk, but dressing it in religious clothing that people are afraid to touch.
I’m sorry if this causes you brain cramps, but there it is.
November 4th, 2006 at 8:29 pm#31
Read my previous post on the subject.
November 4th, 2006 at 8:30 pmI think this is nuts: A guy at high status leading all these people, and frequently telling his followers that being gay is a sin, and probably drugs are bad too and you shouldn’t take them….just goes “oh sorry, I’m that guy I’ve been warning you about, see you later, I’m guilty of the same sexually immoral conduct I have been railing against my whole life, peace out.”
And the problem with this is the speaker of the house is gay, and Republican at that, making laws against gay marriage, and all that: legislation based on bigotry. The supreme court is made of old hags and stick in the mud white wiggs, and the 2 newly elected Psychopathic creatures Bushy got in there, and these people run your world!….8 people run America!…and stick in the mud, ultra conservative, government control freaks!
What is this, some kind of nut case’s view of the world where you project your own sins and everything you feel guilty about onto other people, so more than a million people will suffer their whole lives because of your misdirected guilt that shouldn’t be placed on you, but on millions of people!? This is CRAZY-NESS!
It’s completely sick! It puts into question everything the conservative voice says! Is the conservative voice just some nut with closet issues, and because of that, and because they are in power they can make millions and millions of people suffer just for this single, sick, little-minded creature!?
this garbage just proves how deadly and how much suffering goes on because of stick in the mud conservatives. Conservatives seem to be empty shells of leaves!…yet put all this nonsence into the normal, adult, and adjusted peoples!
Do you guys know how wonderful this world could be without conservative views controlling this world!? Do you know how much more advanced we would be? And I don’t mean flying cars either, I mean balls out spiritual transformation to a higher plane of existence, god-like status! Or being able to talk directly to God! Having God be your best buddy and speak to you everyday! …I am not kidding!
November 4th, 2006 at 8:30 pmGood. His ‘temporary step-down’ that I mentioned in a previous thread is now moot.
He’s resigned. Good riddance you hypocrite arse!
November 4th, 2006 at 8:32 pmSin is a myth because religion is a myth. Duh!
November 4th, 2006 at 8:36 pmThe church could forgive him, but when you get right down to it, the church is not a christian church as much as it is a going concern.
That sort of explains the reality of fundie morality……money before forgiveness.
November 4th, 2006 at 8:50 pmThis just in: Ted Haggard caught snorting crank with George Bush in Jeff Gannon’s crack! Jeff Gannon denies this saying it was Haggard’s crank in Bush’s crack. Bush denies everything just because he’s just cracked.
November 4th, 2006 at 8:55 pmit’s not always about “religion”.
sin1  [sin] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, sinned, sin‧ning.
–noun
1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam.
2. any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.
3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It’s a sin to waste time.
–verb (used without object)
4. to commit a sinful act.
5. to offend against a principle, standard, etc.
–verb (used with object)
6. to commit or perform sinfully: He sinned his crimes without compunction.
7. to bring, drive, etc., by sinning: He sinned his soul to perdition.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sin
sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers…
November 4th, 2006 at 9:00 pmWell I, for one forgive him. I only care about his behavior, because he has entered the political arena, by helping to cause this GOP led gov’t into participating in “moral charades” like gay bashing and all that marriage crap. And for him to be an enormous hypocrite should be a wake up signal to all members of all religious flocks. Stop following these self annointed holy men…….if you are a christian,……..then start thinking about the “love thy neighbor” stuff….and “peace on earth” stuff. No person can connect you to god or jesus. You got to do it yourself. Stop acting like awestruck children…..and grow up.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:00 pmI forgive Mr. Haggard….while I am sure his hate filled pitiful soul would condemn me. But then I don’t need no gay hookers. To make me feel better.
3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It’s a sin to waste time.
Comment by katy — November 4, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Depends on what you’re doing while “wasting time”…
;)
November 4th, 2006 at 9:11 pmHaggard will now take his self-hatred to a ministry to be “cured” of teh gay.
Sad really…
November 4th, 2006 at 9:16 pmDepends on what you’re doing while “wasting timeâ€â€¦
;)
Comment by trueblue
Who’s in charge of deciding what things are a “waste” of time?
November 4th, 2006 at 9:18 pmDepends on what you’re doing while “wasting timeâ€â€¦
;)
Comment by trueblue — November 4, 2006 @ 9:11 pm
most definitely! …as long as it’s not “reprehensible or regrettable”!
November 4th, 2006 at 9:19 pmheh…
I was being cheeky:
November 4th, 2006 at 9:20 pm“sin to waste time”
…”depends on what you’re doing…”
(nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
actually, you are the simple one. you seem convinced that your way is teh one way, and constantly feel compelled to insult anyone who sees the world differently. you wanna know what’s really simplier? you shutting up for once.
when you aren’t smart enough to get it, posting your ignorance doesn’t change anything. better to keep it to yourself instead of confirming it in black & white.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:22 pmmost definitely! …as long as it’s not “reprehensible or regrettableâ€!
heh…
Comment by katy
Well…there’s always tomorrow…?
November 4th, 2006 at 9:22 pmWho’s in charge of deciding what things are a “waste†of time?
Comment by Zooey — November 4, 2006 @ 9:18 pm
you and your conscience, is my guess! …who better? :-]
November 4th, 2006 at 9:22 pmI was being cheeky…
Comment by trueblue — November 4, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
me too, mostly…
November 4th, 2006 at 9:24 pmmost definitely your sanctimonious commentary. at least the religious value something while the atheists’ posts are coherent. you just post smug superiority and ignorance. definitely you win this contest.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:24 pmapparently katty thinks she does.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:25 pmJesus Christ, YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing, she’s making a flippin’ joke.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:28 pmwhat katy said was innocuous.
Please re-read.
We are all entitled to our own opinions.
It’s Sat. night.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:29 pmLet’s all just enjoy each other’s company, OK?
Although I take some satisfaction from seeing an evangelical pastor fall short of his own exhortations to his flock, I feel somewhat sympathetic towards the man. As I have read more about him, I understand that he was rather progressive in some of his views. His demise may actually have a negative effect in regards to the direction his megachurch and the organization of evangelical pastors he led takes from here. We may gain some political benefit from this short term. If so, I am hoping that we use that benefit in a way that demonstrates our willingness to attempt to reach consenses with our political foes on the major problems that face our country. As they would say; LORD knows there are enough to go around. A Pelosi led House would try to do that, I think.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:34 pmshe is a flippin joke. and no way she was making one. i get paid a lot of money to psychologically profile folks. it wasn’t a joke. it was an attempt to insult people who she cannot intellectually debate, to make herself feel better about being of average intelligence among a lot of really smart folks here.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:34 pmThis South Park episode is writing itself…. i can only sit back and laugh my ass off…. it’s almost reminiscent of the butters dad is gay episode but ties in the hypocrisy of the religious right, the bush cultists, and everything thats wrong with this country’s leadership so perfectly, matt and trey couldn’t have written it better…
the only one i’d feel slightly sorry for is his poor brainwashed wife who’s dirty laundry is being aired in public because of this cretin she’s married to, and his kids, who had to sit in that car while he basically announced he’s a meth junky and now outed pathological liar….
November 4th, 2006 at 9:37 pmInferiorityComplex,
Get over yourself.
What is it with you guys deciding that you are the authority on someone else’s humor, or lack thereof?
I was the target last night, so katy’s “it” tonight?
November 4th, 2006 at 9:39 pmit is you who should re-read, without your natural sentitive inclination to care for those who are weaker than you. you’re a smart gal. you know she’s trying to compensate for being as dumb as a rock.
yes. that means i am entitled to this opinion of katty, and that you disapprove of her insulting religious and atheists by calling them annoying.
sweet thought. but, you’ll notice i wasn’t the first to start the insults. when will you realize that scolding those calling out the instigators isn’t the best way to direct your energy?
November 4th, 2006 at 9:39 pm#39 katy
sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers…
Wow, so now I’m a proselytizer because you have difficulty parsing complex sentences.
I’m so happy to see you know how to use dictionary.com. Too bad for your case that the definitions are fundamentally religious in tone and in origin. Any others are secondary and derivative.
Try this one:
As I have no interest in inducing you or anyone else into anything more provocative than minding your own business and keeping out of mine, I don’t think the word fits. Rest assured, if you want to be a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Wiccan, Druid, Zorastrian, Moonie, or a follower of the great pink unicorn that dwells beneath the sands of Mars, it is of no concern to me, as long as you don’t try to use the coercive powers of my government to proselytize it to others.
In short, I don’t think pointing out the logical fallacies of others is equated to proselytizing. More likely, I think you just have difficulty with big words.
Frankly, if you find it easier to deal with monosyllabic sound bites, perhaps you’re better off as a Republican where you can “stay the course” and not “cut and run” and avoid “flip flop flip flop” and say no to “do you want us to win”. Or stick with the koolaid drinkers where you can “praise the lord” and “pass the plate” and “write the check” and “close the brain”.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:41 pmYourInferiorityComplexIsShowing is only here to start a flame war.
I suggest we not respond any further.
But ya’ll do what you want, because lord knows, I wouldn’t want to interfere with anyone’s First Amendment rights.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:43 pmyou first. who are you, katty’s mommy?
the same ‘authority’ deciding that katy has a right to call religious and atheists annoying and go unchecked because you all feel sorry for her.
it seems that katty chose to pick on religious and atheists, therefore making them “it”. i was just pointing this out.
so, then, by your behavior, you think what katty said is acceptable, but hold me to a far higher standard?
yes, clearly, you are the appropriate one to cast stones.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:45 pmgorn,
Please read #52.
katy hates kool-aid. :)
November 4th, 2006 at 9:45 pmit was an attempt to insult people who she cannot intellectually debate, to make herself feel better about being of average intelligence among a lot of really smart folks here.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
As I re read katy´s word I can find any insult. If you were in Italy, Argentina or Spain (countries where people talk loudly as if they were fighting) you probably would run scared to death. She didnt insult, she wanted to make her point, which I dont agree, but she didnt insult anybody.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:49 pmIm sorry…I CANT find any insult in Katy´s words.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:49 pmprecisely. katty claims to be a progressive, but everything she posts is derogatory of anyone who thinks differently than she does. since actions speak louder than words, Republican is a more appropriate definition for her sanctimony.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:49 pmOr stick with the koolaid drinkers where you can “praise the lord†and “pass the plate†and “write the check†and “close the brainâ€.
Comment by gorn
I have one question: was that necessary?
November 4th, 2006 at 9:51 pmZooey
“What is it with you guys deciding that you are the authority on someone else’s humor, or lack thereof?”
I did not find it humorous to have katy go ad hominem on me , unprovoked.
I know you’re sensitive to the joke thing from last night (where I defended you, BTW), but I think I can tell when I’m being directly insulted.
It’s a sad thing when one should be attacked for putting some thought into constructing a logical post, while hit-n-run posts are praised. Sometimes hit-n-run is more effective, but sometimes making a point to “the enemy” requires some actual descriptive content.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:51 pmOK, Zooey.
I’ll do it because I don’t want to ruin the night for Katy, or us for that matter!
November 4th, 2006 at 9:51 pmBut grrrrrr, what is it with the misogyny of the last two nights?
not at all. i was here to read think progress commentray, and came across katty’s insults and derision. i was simply calling her out on it. but you attacking me for pointing out the truth suggests that she cannot take care of herself, or that you want a flame war.
i assure you, i was not responsible for whomever attacked you last night. i have no issues with you and think you are exteremely clever.
yet you persist in doing so.
when you scold katty as you have me, then i’ll know you actually mean it to be a universal tennet and not just one you pull out for your friends.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:53 pmbut everything she posts is derogatory of anyone who thinks differently than she does.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
You havent been around too much, right?
November 4th, 2006 at 9:56 pmSo, profile me. Im sure I will be a Republican in, say…about 2 posts from here.
#63, #64, you can’t see the insult.
Ok, so first she deconstructs my carefully worded post to “blah blah blah”, completely ignoring my point and suggesting that speaking in terms other than “sin” is pointless and too complicated.
Then in #39 she says sometimes i’m not sure which is more annoying - the religious or the atheistic proselytizers, calling me annoying and a proselytizer, equiated with the religious.
Can’t imagine how this would not be insulting.
I don’t mean to rain on your buddy parade, but the selective perception here is, in fact, annoying.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:56 pm“What is it with you guys deciding that you are the authority on someone else’s humor, or lack thereof?â€
I did not find it humorous to have katy go ad hominem on me , unprovoked.
I know you’re sensitive to the joke thing from last night (where I defended you, BTW), but I think I can tell when I’m being directly insulted.
Comment by gorn
I apologize, gorn. My comment was not directed toward you at all, please believe that.
I think InferiorityComplex and Goodscarrier are one and the same, and the “you guys” referred only to them.
I’m not in the argument between you and katy.
Please accept my apology, gorn.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:57 pmin post 50, katty said:
that’s an obvious insult.
in post 29 she insulted gorn in a more mild way. starting off a post with the word ‘jeez’ isn’t very promising. she could have been more mature about it, but she was definitely insulting him. his post was mature and intelligent and she starts off with ‘jeez’. yep, taking her side shows your hypocrisy, as we are all progressives here.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:58 pmHi, Zoo, true!, katy and gorn… :)
November 4th, 2006 at 9:58 pmwow… just back from walking the dog… in time to watch rosanne on hbo shortly… the responses by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing (aka MakesMySkinCrawl, probably) are a crack up…
take care, ladies… and thanks… i hope i don’t have to return the favor!…
November 4th, 2006 at 9:59 pmi couldn’t agree with you more. your posts was well written and respectful. katty attacked you.
November 4th, 2006 at 9:59 pmI wonder what Ted will do now? I suppose he’ll join Exodus. He doesn’t strike me as a gay guy who’s going to embrace his homosexuality with open arms–playing Village People albums, watching Will & Grace reruns, volunteering for the HRC, and moving to either The Castro, South Beach, or West Hollywood.
I think he should attend beauty school and become a hairdresser. Not one hair on Ted’s head is out-of-place. He could become Jan Crouch’s personal hairdresser. Jan needs a major makeover.
Maybe Ted could become Mark Foley’s personal assistant? No, Ted’s too old. Maybe Ted could become Paul Crouch’s personal assistant? No, Ted’s not black. Maybe Ted could become George W. Bush’s personal assistant. No, George already has too many gay assistants. Maybe Ted could become Ken Mehlman’s personal assistant. No, Ted’s not as good-looking as Roy Cohn–Ken’s hero and role model. Maybe Ted could become David Blow Dryer’s personal assistant. Hot damn! Hot damn!!! That’s it. A perfect match with David Blow Dryer–A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN. Hair! Hair! Dryer! Dryer! All you need is a case of hairspray and we’re cookin.’
John
November 4th, 2006 at 10:00 pmIs this what has everyone all worked up?
jeez… everybody knows what sin is… it’s just simpler…
there are lots of definitions of sin… so how can it be a myth?…
it isn’t… why complicate the matter…
Comment by katy — November 4, 2006 @ 8:16 pm
Let’s look at what myth means…
myth  /mɪθ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mith] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.
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[Origin: 1820–30;
November 4th, 2006 at 10:02 pm#66
“I have one question: was that necessary?”
Yes!
I’m not sure why you don’t get it. My point about sin vs ethics had a cogent purpose. katy summarily dismissed it because she found it too complicated to follow. Fine, if she finds it that way, that’s ok, but she is free to skip the post and move on. She doesn’t have to insult me.
In response, it is entirely fair for me to suggest that if she wants to keep the words simple, then the style of the Rove and the religio-fascists is a perfect fit.
It’s called IRONY, folks.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHi Juan!
November 4th, 2006 at 10:03 pmLong time, no see!
not misogyny. i assure you. thanks for the laugh…
if you’d let go of your anger for something you are mis-perceiving, you might realize that this has nothing to do with katty’s gender and everything to do with her snotty insults.
take a deep breath. sometimes you gotta call people on their spoiled brat behavior when it crosses the line. she did. more than once. in fact, it is routine with her. tonight, i decided to point it out, and find out that people i thought were fair are actually not so much.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:04 pmthat’s 0 for 2 juan.
i have no beef with you. just katty.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:05 pm#72 zooey
Thank you, I accept the gracious apology.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:07 pmCan’t imagine how this would not be insulting.
I don’t mean to rain on your buddy parade, but the selective perception here is, in fact, annoying.
Comment by gorn
I agree with you that she wasnt expressing in the best terms…I guess she doesnt tolerate too much religious bashing…therefore, the comment she did. I dont agree with what she said, I agree with you about the sin thing. But for me, thats not an insult. To me an insult is to see poor people begging in the streets while politicians earn fortunes while doing nothing, when people decidedly ignores its own culture, when I see people celebrating some flying jets carrying tons of bombs…you get the picture? Thats an insult for me. Ok, I know, Im nobody to say what must be an insult to you, but is it possible that you are overreacting?
November 4th, 2006 at 10:07 pmi’m losing respect for you. i simply defended gorn, as you defend katty, yet i’m the bad guy.
nope. i am not goodscarrier.
yes you are. as well as the one between me and katy.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:08 pmthat’s 0 for 2 juan.
i have no beef with you. just katty.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
Whats the score for? Some numerical method to make yourself think you are winning or something? Oh, now I get your poster name.
Its not about sides…(against me or any other), its about common sense.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:11 pmthe only people who over-reacted were you, zooey and trueblue. sorry, but it’s true. you attacked people without giving them a chance to explain.
this is disappointing.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:11 pmif you’d let go of your anger for something you are mis-perceiving,
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 10:04 pm
OMG!
You are accusing me of what you are guilty of!
I’m not angry at all.
Remember, I was the one saying “Let’s not ruin the night”?
It’s your pit bull hold on one sentence that is ruining the night. YOU need to let go.
This sounds an awful lot like “Goods” from last night; the digging in of the heels, the absolute refusal to compromise, the total black/white thinking.
I think I’ve had enough of trying to reason with you.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:14 pmYou have not, however, made me angry.
Frankly, it’s not worth it.
the only people who over-reacted were you, zooey and trueblue. sorry, but it’s true. you attacked people without giving them a chance to explain.
this is disappointing.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 10:11 pm
So WE are all wrong, and YOU are right?
Wow. What an appropriate name you have…
November 4th, 2006 at 10:18 pm:-}
it’s an expression to let you know that both of the judgments you made about me were incorrect.
trying to spin it into something it isn’t is what you would call a strawman.
it’s not about winning. it’s about telling katy to learn some manners. as this goes on, i see you could use them yourself.
then use it. katty attacked gorn, and then two groups of people. common sense says that calling her on it and then getting attacked only proves that the left is no less hypocritical than the right. thanks for educating meon that juan. i used to like you before i found out tonight that you are not that far removed from those you call hateful.
none of my posts to you, zooey, or trueblue were with malice. the fact that you assume it is very disappointing.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:19 pmHow long before Brian Houston (australia hillsong) goes down? Not too long I expect. He’s also a fraud, and shuffles his money around to avoid tax. What a hypocrite! His father was finally exposed 30 years after a homosexual pedophile encounter, and continued to preach and pretend all those years. It may take time, but in the end, they are all exposed, so wait and watch.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:20 pmOne down and more to go: Robertson, Falwell, Reed, are only the first ones to come to mind.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:20 pm#84 Juan
I certainly agree that in the grand scheme of world problems, your examples vastly trump mine! :-(
At the same time, I think these things are best approached with thoughtful consideration and logic, and I think it’s important that we not attack those who try to do so. That is the approach of The Enemy, and it is fundamentally why George Bush defeated the intellectually superior Gore and Kerry.
Okay, so a clump of broccoli is also intellectually superior to Dubya. That’s beside the point.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:21 pmnot at all. i have’t capitalized anything or used exclamation marks.
actions speak louder than words.
i haven’t ruined anything. this has persisted because you, zooey and juan just blindly defended katty’s bad behavior - very much in pit bull fashion. that’s projecting.
i haven’t refused to compromise. you haven’t suggested a compromise. you suggested i do what you want, and then got upset when i didn’t accept. you’ve offered no means for consensus here.
you haven’t tried to reason with me. you accused me of being wrong and have been becoming more forceful in your efforts to convince me that i should shut up or i am responsible for ruingin your night. child psychology doesn’t work very well on me.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:23 pmit’s not about winning. it’s about telling katy to learn some manners. as this goes on, i see you could use them yourself.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 10:19 pm
Who the frig are you to tell us we don’t have manners?
none of my posts to you, zooey, or trueblue were with malice. the fact that you assume it is very disappointing.
We are disappointing to you?
November 4th, 2006 at 10:24 pmHow Authoritarian of you.
i’m losing respect for you. i simply defended gorn, as you defend katty, yet i’m the bad guy.
Oh for f*ck’s sake.
nope. i am not goodscarrier.
Fine.
I’m not in the argument between you and katy.
Please accept my apology, gorn.
yes you are. as well as the one between me and katy.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
I will decide what I am involved in, thank you very much.
Frankly, at this point, I don’t care if you respect me or not.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:24 pmJust leave me alone, and I’ll leave you alone — ok?
I feel sorry for you, Inferior Complex
November 4th, 2006 at 10:26 pmi never said that. i expressed an opinion for which i was attacked. making it seem that you think you are right and that gorn and i were wrong for being offended by katty’s insults.
the fact that you’ve blamed all this on me when i didn’t actually do anything is not really very rational of you. seems that you are attacking me to absolve anger you feel over something that someone else perpetrated last night.
that was not me.
yes, ad hominems will convince me you are being rational. sad. i thought you capable of being fair.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:26 pmFrankly, at this point, I don’t care if you respect me or not.
Just leave me alone, and I’ll leave you alone — ok?
Comment by Zooey — November 4, 2006 @ 10:24 pm
I feel the same way.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:28 pmwho are you to tell me i have no right to my opinion?
you addressed me first. i did not speak to you until you did so.
disappointment can be felt between peers. do you always assume the worst case scenario?
yes, your behavior tonight is beneath you. that is disappointing. i’m human. i feel disappointment when people i respect behave this way.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:32 pmthen don’t complain if you don’t like the consequences of that. you spoke to me first.
you keep saying that….
November 4th, 2006 at 10:34 pmwhy? because you can’t manipulate me like you do others? not my issue.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:35 pmInferiority. Why is it that you love giving oral to Bush? I know you can’t help it but is there a reason?
November 4th, 2006 at 10:51 pmHey! Did ya’ll hear? Ted Haggard resigned! The church’s investigative board recommended removal, saying he was guilty ‘of sexually immoral conduct.’â€
That’s some nasty shit, right there — and the topic of the thread! What do you have to say about our Mr Haggard InferiorityComplex? And anyone else? :}
November 4th, 2006 at 10:52 pmInferiority, you are more of a tool than anybody I have ever seen. Not manipulatable? Yeah, sure.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:52 pmI wouldn’t bother, JPark.
The Saddam verdict is set for the 5th, right?
It’s 6:55am there.
Wonder what is going on. What the mood is.
Forget about the troll.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:54 pmHow are you?
That’s some nasty shit, right there — and the topic of the thread! What do you have to say about our Mr Haggard InferiorityComplex? And anyone else? :}
Comment by Zooey — November 4, 2006 @ 10:52 pm
You are the funniest person, Zooey!
November 4th, 2006 at 10:57 pmShit!
true, I left out a comma, and it made that question funny. I really didn’t mean to do that.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:00 pmInferiority loves the massage. He takes the massage hard. He sucks the massage like nobody else. By now you realize massage means dick, right?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:01 pmjpark - grow up.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:03 pmInferiority, you love cock…I mean massages.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:06 pmInferiority, your homosexuality is obvious. Do you really think people don’t see it?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:07 pmso much for leaving me alone :)
i sorta feel sorry for the guy on one hand, because he was clearly in denial of his true sexual identity as his religious culture had taught him to do. i’d feel nearly fully sorry for him if he weren’t such a vocal oppoenent for anti-gay sentiment. he’s responsible for a lot of negative for innocent gay people.
i hope he gets help. from people who won’t judge him or need to ‘fix’ him into a straight man.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:08 pmso you think it is insulting to call people gay? how progressive of you.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:09 pmJPark! — Good evening, dear — I’m trying to make nice with our new person, see #104. Ya mind!?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:10 pmShit!
true, I left out a comma, and it made that question funny. I really didn’t mean to do that.
Comment by Zooey — November 4, 2006 @ 11:00 pm
That makes it even funnier!
November 4th, 2006 at 11:12 pm:)))
InferiorityComplex,
Thank you for that. I completely agree with you.
Can we start fresh? May I ask why you chose that particular sign-in name? How did you find your way to TP?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:13 pmi’m not new.
i chose to use a different name because it saves me a long term battle. just wanted to make my point to katy and not have to re-hash it every time i post, because i have seen her in action with others.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:16 pmI don’t know, Zooey.
I’m kinda on JPark’s side on this one.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:19 pmWe asked nice. Said look again. Tried to say not to ruin the night.
He’s clearly in a pissing match.
JPark, being of Greek Descent, is fully qualified to take him on, so to speak…
:-}
that’s the worst post I’ve written!
November 4th, 2006 at 11:20 pmThat was so bad….
I’m sorry. Maybe it’s because Zooey is making me stay up past my bedtime.
;)
i’m not new.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
Well, katy’s gone. Who are you?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:21 pmSorry.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:22 pmOk, true, you’re on notice…
November 4th, 2006 at 11:22 pmjpark was being immature. nice to know you approve. i guess i’m seeing the real you here?
i’m not into pissing matches. but i am into pointing out the obvious. not sure why it’s always so hard to see.
i simply agreed with gorn’s sentiments. after all, he felt insulted. seemed that validating his feelings was long over due where she is concerned. i’ve seen her do it before, to him and a few others who are thoughtful and intellectual.
but for someone who has such distain, you sure are making a lot of effort to keep me engaged.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:26 pmPenalty box.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:27 pmI know, Zooey!
true, re #119 — You need to either drink more, or less. I can’t decide which…
November 4th, 2006 at 11:27 pmIs everybody’s bladder empty now? I hope you guys know I’m not cleaning this mess up — I’m a barfly, not a bar swamper.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:31 pmfunny… as in haha funny. considering this is posted and i assume she is capable of coming back and reading it.
doesn’t matter anyway.
as for mr. haggard, well, he may turn out to be a democraic hero. i’m sure there were those on the fence who just picked a side. lets hope. we can’t afford for to continue on this path. and i don’t think the world will tolerate much more before the battle is brought here. ironically, exactly what bush promised to be preventing.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:31 pmIs everybody’s bladder empty now? I hope you guys know I’m not cleaning this mess up — I’m a barfly, not a bar swamper.
Comment by barfly
*snort*
I’m cleaning up…
November 4th, 2006 at 11:35 pmInferiority, perhaps I was being immature, it wouldn’t be the first time. However, it may be the only defence against your incredible arrogance. You think you are something special. I would definitely disagree.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:37 pmInferiority, I mean Goods. What is the point of your last post? Haggard is a democratic hero? Tool.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:38 pmbut for someone who has such distain, you sure are making a lot of effort to keep me engaged.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing — November 4, 2006 @ 11:26 pm
Tried to be nice. tried to speak to your more rational side.
Didn’t work. That’s why that post you quoted of mine wasn’t even directed at you.
Talk about effort to keep someone engaged.
You are nothing but a “Hendler” to me, and will henceforth be ignored.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:38 pmimmature and psychic. wow, jpark, you’re some trick pony.
the only arrogance in my post was what you projected into it. or it was the confidence that you mistook. either way, not my issue.
though, accusing someone of being arrogant is arrogant, so wear your badge proudly. i am certain that you will.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:40 pm#128 - doesn’t matter anyway.
Suit yourself.
as for mr. haggard, well, he may turn out to be a democraic hero. i’m sure there were those on the fence who just picked a side.
He could have been a hero for the gay community, but I don’t think he’s got the cojones to do it.
i don’t think the world will tolerate much more before the battle is brought here. ironically, exactly what bush promised to be preventing.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
You’re probably right, but I hope you turn out to be wrong. GWB has ruined this country. He has the reverse midas touch.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:41 pmZooey, he is nothing but a troll. I will withdraw and not talk to him. You will see that he is a total righty troll. Don’t be fooled.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:42 pm#133 Ok, I lied. Goods, why do you use more than one name?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:43 pmi wrote this in responce to a sick person’s quote on a conservative blog, it’s really good.
“the left is just filled to the brim with people who hate America”
Hahahahaha! Oh that’s funny ******. Your head so filled with fantasy and bigotry I wonder how you think you have any business in discussing anything. It’s quite a grand delusion you suffer from I just wish you could see it someday. You have so much irrational ignorance and hate it must be a product of your own self-hate that you project onto others! Or perhaps your mimicking the people you are jealous of, the Left, because they actually have a group of people they can give real and warranted criticisms to, instead of being a mimic who devalues the real critisms when using critism incorrectly.
I really have no other comment than that. Your posts never had any political merit, it’s all falsehood from a sick mind. I can’t add anything to argue about because you delete posts or ingnore the truth when people post, you ignore the truth! That’s it! There is no debate with your kind, conservatives, your just dogs going to the slaughter, and the slaughter is bigotry, the absence of a human conscienceness, guilt, feeling, care, or truth. And you never listen. You don’t care. And that’s what makes you less than the rest of us humans. The Left is out here debating and talking, but the Conservatives act agressive, irrational, unwavering, arrogant and ignore the thinkers and discourse, perfectly happy to be a obstacle, a trouble maker, a pain in the butt for everyone else. Yet still having a void, they should be happy that they have their own group, the goal of being a obstacle for someone, it’s the very thing that makes Conservatives a counter to the Left and also the very thing that gives them this void, it is the absence of truth and being actually right.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:43 pmfor your mental sake, i hope you’re drunk, or your 13 year old hijacked your identity.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:43 pmRev. Ted’s sure to write a confessional novel, so full of contrite and self-abasing pap that you almost can see him scourging himself with the mouse as he types.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:46 pm#138 Nobody buys your crap Goods. Nobody is that stupid.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:46 pmWell done, USA. Are you banned from the site now?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:47 pmno you didn’t. you told me to behave in a way that was acceptable to you, and then pitched a temper tantrum when i didn’t comply.
we’re both smarter than that, and you’re not a very good liar.
i am nothing like jason m. hendler. for you to equate us shows you have no willingness to be reasonable here. that’s your prerogative. but don’t expect me to accept it just because you said so.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:47 pmNo, Inferiority, you are no Hendler. He is actually superior to you. At least he will admit he is a righty.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:51 pmi hope you’re right and i’m wrong. a lot.
that he does. i had so hoped he would have been ousted in 2004. i still can’t believe people fell for his trick twice. glad he won’t get a third shot at it. i just hope a deomcrat does. someone like feingold or obama perhaps. i just hope they manage to stay clean and keep their spines. we need leadership now more than ever.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:52 pmjpark, go sleep it off. you’re going to have a massive hang-over.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:54 pmfoley and the “meth and man-massages” will hopefully suppress enough of the biblehumper vote to do the job. I imagine alot of the holy roller homophobes will stay home weeping and crutching a crucifix while trying to wipe the horrible image of thier pastor getting a backrub from one of the Village People out of their heads.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:54 pmJPark,
He’s so not worth any more of our time.
He fights every freaking sentence.
Anal retentive, as Freud would say.
So, my start page is now stating he was fired, instead of “forced to resign”.
It may mean the same thing, but there sure is a bigger connotation to “Fired” than “Forced to resign”
What do you think wll be the impact at the polls?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:56 pmsomeone like feingold or obama perhaps. i just hope they manage to stay clean and keep their spines. we need leadership now more than ever.
Comment by YourInferiorityComplexIsShowing
I like Feingold. I wish he’d speak up more. Maybe he is, but the MSM isn’t covering it. Who knows? We just need someone who isn’t going to f*cking cave every time a wingnut says BOO.
November 4th, 2006 at 11:57 pmthanks for the laugh…
November 4th, 2006 at 11:58 pmThe link below connects Haggard and gay prostitute Gannon to the white House via Tim Goeglein, special ASSistant to Bush.
http://www.mediatransparency.org….php? storyID=57
November 5th, 2006 at 12:00 amhighly likely, considering who owns the media outlets.
no kidding. the passivity of some of these folks is staggering. it’s a wonder they were ever elected to in the first place.
well, officially by the think progress timeclock, we’ll see in two more days what we’re dealing with. if the democrats do take over both the house and senate, perhaps that will give them the inspiration they need to be better leaders, while energizing the party.
well, nice talking to you. i have to go walk the dog. he’s dancing a jig by the door.
good night.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:04 amFrank Rich says, “Throw the Truthiness Bums Out.”
November 5th, 2006 at 12:08 amGoodnight, InferiorityComplex.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:09 amZooey:
See fridays think fast.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:17 amAw Hell, you know after a hard day of preachin about the sins of gays and their fornicatin felonious propensities, it’s just damn relaxin to snort some meth and get a massage with a good buddy.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:28 amBingo!
:-)
November 5th, 2006 at 12:30 am…it’s just damn relaxin to snort some meth and get a massage with a good buddy.
Comment by RUCerious
And no icky girls…
November 5th, 2006 at 12:31 am;-)
November 5th, 2006 at 12:52 amYuck, icky girls….
November 5th, 2006 at 12:55 amWow,
I am searching the web because of the whole Ted Haggard thing and came across your site here. To read what you all seem to feel shocks me. Some of you actually think things like…
This has certainly been an interesting read. I don’t agree with liberals on many issues, but I certainly wouldn’t call them dogs, or say they are less than the rest of us humans. I would actually discuss the issues. The thing is, you have listened to a small, yet public, slice of conservative thought, and you assume anyone who has conservative beliefs must be mindless idiots. Yet, you even argue with eachother and call eachother disparaging names and, for lack of a better word this late at night, idiots - when you don’t agree among yourselves.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:04 amI am bummed that the Haggard thing has given you one more reason to lump all Christians together and say that since we are still sinners God must not be real. I pray that God will put some people in your lives who can introduce you to who He really is. I’m not a Christian because I believe something, I’m a Christian because I have met Jesus Christ. He’s really more than I could ever explain. You trying to convince me He isn’t real, is like trying to convince me my mom isn’t real. You’ve never met her either, but she’s real. Jesus loves everyone. I don’t agree that Christians should try to get non-Christians to follow God’s commands. We can only live by them through the power of the Holy Spirit, and even then we fall short. It’s true that God calls lots of behaviors “sin” - but what does it matter what a non-Christian does? All He cares about with a non-Christian is that he come to know Jesus in a saving realationship. That said. I do believe our society has a right to make laws that reflect people’s beliefs/feeling. There are laws against jay-walking, but you don’t seem to mind. Jay-walking doesn’t hurt anyone, usually - and neither does gay sex. Our society allows us to make laws, and define marriage how we see fit. I don’t think peoples sexual conduct has any relevance in the national scene, I also don’t think homosexual marriage has to be recognized by the state. If it winds up being recognized, it will be a disappointment to me, but that’s about it. Not all of us are the hate-mongers you think we are. In fact, there is no “all of us”. Conservatives are individuals with varying positions on most issues.
Thanks, conservative. You’re preaching to the choir. We have many commenters on TP, from atheists to devout christians, and those who are very spiritual, and others not, so much.
If you hang around long enough, you might just see that most of us do not lump true christians in with the whackjobs.
Peace and Blessings…
November 5th, 2006 at 1:15 amThanks Zooey, but I’m confused. You wrote:
Well done, USA. Are you banned from the site now?
Comment by Zooey — November 4, 2006 @ 11:47 pm
November 5th, 2006 at 1:21 amin response to the quote I gave from USA about conservatives.
WOW; Heck of a argument going on here tonight.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:31 amIs it possible that Katty’s swipe was not directed at gorn or Y.I.C.is S.;
but really a sucker punch to another well known belligerent atheist who posts here often?
conservative,
I’m not going to spend more time explaining my sense of humor tonight. Figure it out, or be confused.
Goodnight.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:36 amGood night.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:45 amI would actually discuss the issues.
Comment by conservative — November 5, 2006 @ 1:04 am
Self-described conservative visitors to this site are rarely interested in dicussing or debating. They are usually trying to derail the conversation, berate, belittle, and demean anyone who is not a conservative.
You are an exception.
you assume anyone who has conservative beliefs must be mindless idiots.
With all due respect, most self-described conservatives behave like mindless idiots. The thing is, the conservative movement has become a Bush personality cult. Anyone not prostrating themselves before the engraved image of the Great (mis)Leader is a traitor, terrorist appeaser, godless, un-American, should die, etc.
Conservatives have come to expect the Republican party, public figures (Limbaugh et al), and their churches to tell them how to vote and how to live. That is exactly what mindless idiots do.
You trying to convince me He isn’t real, is like trying to convince me my mom isn’t real.
I doubt anyone here will try to convince one way or another. See, some people here are devout Christians, some not so much, and others not at all. There is no unified opinion on religious matters.
Not all of us are the hate-mongers you think we are.
And yet, that is the side most conservatives posting here choose to show. You should read the angry, venomous tirades some of them post. Truly deranged stuff.
Although I have to admit the level of animosity has decreased since the disaffection with the Iraq war has grown.
Which brings me to my last point: The ongoing occupation of Iraq has been made possible by the unwavering support Pres Bush gets from his conservative base. Lives are being lost, people are getting hurt, money is being thrown down the toilet because conservatives would rather help their Great (mis)Leader save face than admit they were wrong and get people out of harm’s way. By continuing to support Pres Bush’s immoral foreign policy, they have become an immoral, unethical lot.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:02 amAnd while I am at it -where is Daryll, the nincompoop troll?
He was posting comments in the other thread about Haggard asking apologies from the ThinkProgress crowd because Haggard was such a man of god who had committed no sin and the whole thing was a liberal ploy, blah, blah, blah…
Well, Daryll? Care to retract your asinine comments? Care to show some intellectual honesty?
I won’t hold my breath…
November 5th, 2006 at 2:08 am#159 conservative
The thing is, you have listened to a small, yet public, slice of conservative thought, and you assume anyone who has conservative beliefs must be mindless idiots.
Conservatives are not the problem. Christians are not the problem.
The problem is neocon fascists masquerading as normal conservatives, and Christo-fascists masquerading as normal Christians. These groups have hijacked the Republican party, cowed the Democratic party, and crushed dissenting voices for the past six years.
I feel that true conservatives and those who have respect for the Constitution would want to vote Democratic on Tuesday, not because they agree with Democrats, but because they agree with the current regime even less.
True conservatives believe in fiscal restraint, small government, and cautious foreign interventions. Ordinary Christians understand that government neutrality in matters of religion and morality is the best protection for their own religious rights. Look at what has happened over the past 6 years and it should be obvious that these ideals have been demolished.
These monsters who currently have a stranglehold on the government are using conservatives and using Christians for their own largely incompatible ends.
You should vote Democratic for that reason alone. If you can’t bring yourself to do that, then withhold your vote as a personal protest.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:20 amWith all due respect, most self-described conservatives behave like mindless idiots. The thing is, the conservative movement has become a Bush personality cult. Anyone not prostrating themselves before the engraved image of the Great (mis)Leader is a traitor, terrorist appeaser, godless, un-American, should die, etc.
You have a very limited sampling of self-described conservatives. I haven’t visited this site before tonight, but I take your word for the conservatives you’ve heard from being the things you mentioned above. However, I know lots of conservatives, and none of them are the kind of person you describe. If you want to be progressive thinking, then it seems to me you owe it to yourself to get to know what mainstream conservatives think based on who they are, not based on what some public figure says. Do you really think the thousands of people who disagree with you about political issues are all Pat Robertson puppets? (you can put in any name that works for you there)
As far as being Bush worshippers goes…
Again, you insist on blaming people who think differently than you of being mindless. That’s not progressive thinking. That’s not even an issue to discuss. I happen to agree with President Bush on many issues. I am appauled by some of the ways things have been handled by this administration. - Katrina aft