Haggard Confesses: ‘I Am a Deciever and a Liar’
From a statement read in right-wing evangelical leader Ted Haggard’s church this morning: “The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality, and I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There’s a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring with it all of my adult life.” Haggard previously denied having sex with a male prostitute.
Video at HuffPost.
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Aaaamen
November 5th, 2006 at 12:39 pmare we supposed to feel bad for this guy? I mean, he goes around preaching hate and influencing other people to a hilt and then he himself is one immoral bastard. Honestly, I don’t even know how to react to this because it’s so insanely bizzare (although, I’m sure the circumstances exist much more than anyone of us would like to think about)
November 5th, 2006 at 12:41 pmI guess all that initial evangelical support from Dobson et al really backfired, huh?
November 5th, 2006 at 12:41 pm“I Am a Deciever and a Liar”
Rev. Ted Haggard
Yeah, you certainly are, Ted. Or is it Art? You forgot to mention drug using sexual pervert. You are also a typical, two-faced, rightwing, Republican-voting, hypocrite.
And I personally will add you are a cheezy-looking dipstick who squats to pee.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:41 pmWow.
Maybe the rest of the Rupublicans can follow his example and confess for thier sins.
George, Rummy, Cheney…. Is there anything that you have been hiding that you would feel better getting off your chest? We promise not to make too much of a big deal out of it.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:41 pmWhy do these neocons only take “responsibility” after their caught? And what does taking responsibility mean to them? Going to a luxury rehab resort? Living off their millions? Why doesn’t it ever mean compensating their victims?
November 5th, 2006 at 12:45 pmThis is a classic case of someone so feverently homophobic and a gay basher, because he hates himself for being a homosexual.
Look at all the damage his rage against himself has caused against innocent gay people who are just trying to make their way in this world. Look at all the discrimination this one man has caused because of his own self hatred.
I think behind every face that is a feverent gay basher is probably another closeted gay that hates themselves, this just proves that theory.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:47 pmHaggard still doesn’t get it.
His lifelong sexual “problem” is that he’s gay. He needs to stop pretending to be something he’s not, and accept himself for who he is.
His life won’t be the same as before, and I’m thinking that’s really not a bad thing in the long run, but it could be better.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:48 pmthere still should be some semblance of respect for the fact that he finally DID thoroughly admit what was going on without equivocating or minimizing. Instead of having to swear this one off into the helplessly crazy bin, to an extent this one came down to earth, when many other’s haven’t.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:48 pmFrom now on I will automatically assume all the right wing blowhards whp screams loudly about the homosexual tide are closet queers. That seems to be a safe assumption.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:48 pmPot, Kettle, Kettle, Pot
How do al of the Hypo-christians feel today.
I’m glad that my Grand-Mother is not here to see what is being done in her faiths name.
RIP
SGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (Stryker)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Died because Saddam had in his focus the “Preparation of Nuclear Weapons”
Or as the President of these DIVIDED States of America so eloquently calls him, comma # 1492
November 5th, 2006 at 12:51 pm….
TP, this was looking to be a boring day. Thanks for the fun.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:53 pmHopefully this “shocking” announcement will wake up some of these sheep who give money to these creeps evey week. Hopefully they will realize that gay people are not immoral but hypocrisy and lying is. Perhaps, just a few, may even realize that being gay, lesbian, bi, transgender, and entire range in which we humans express our sexuality, isn’t a “sexual problem”. People are just people and our sexual expression is just “normal”. Attention homophobes - THERE IS NO NORMAL!
Perhaps if Haggard prays hard enough, Bush and Co. will come out and confess their crimes. Imagine Bush reading this statement “…I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar.” Bush wouldn’t confess a spelling error on a grocery list.
Although I wish Haggard could just find that God (however you define that) doesn’t give a f#@k what he does in the sack with another consenting adult, at least he has the guts to confess this all to tens of millions of people.
After reading about the polls this morning coupled with this piece of news, I guess am feeling optimistic. It is going to be a good day on Tuesday.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:54 pmIs it too soon to set him up with Mark Foley? I think they’d make a cute couple.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:54 pmColorado jyms- #5
Well said.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:56 pmFar be it from me to tapdance on the grave of Ted Haggard’s career…ah, Hell…who am I kidding??
May you all be enjoying this even half as much as I am…. ;p)
November 5th, 2006 at 12:57 pmSadly this seems very typical of the supposed Christian Conservatives, hate what you are, deny when caught, then step down and disappear, when you cannot deny anymore.
As for him and Mr. Foley dating, I have to say that the former Rev. Haggard, is a bit old for Mr. Foley’s tastes.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:59 pmHypocrisy runs deep in illusionary morals
November 5th, 2006 at 1:01 pmVote out the GOP on Nov.7.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:01 pmStop the Church/State takeover.
It’s all hypocracy anyway.
also at huffpost
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ david-goldstein/ whos-to-blame-for-pastor_b_33279.html
lordy!
November 5th, 2006 at 1:01 pmThe people really hurt by this pervert are his five children and his wife. They are the only ones I feel sorry for in all of this. For his drug use and possession and his lying, he deserves to be sent to prison where no doubt he will be well received.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:02 pmLesson: just be suspicious of ANYONE who rages against something too much….this hypocrisy is getting tiring. Is it just me, or does it seem like being on the “right” is turning out to be merely a cloaking device???
November 5th, 2006 at 1:04 pmWait a second - “repulsive and dark”?
If Haggard found everything he was doing to be so “repulsive” then why did he do any of it? I for one don’t get sexually aroused by things that repulse me. This confession, aside from its obvious admissions, isn’t even coherent.
It sounds like another in his self-admitted trail of “lies and deceit”.
This man is a pathological liar. He keeps on lying even as he admits he is a liar. His trail of blatently obvious lies is on display for everyone to see. That alone ought to be telling regarding not only the immorality of Haggard but everyone who flocked to him when he was in his church.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#14 & 17…ROTFLMAO!!!
November 5th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThat is pathetic and sad. pathetisad? Sad for his wife that she married this hate filled pathetic loser.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:10 pmA man of God and a Paster to the President. Now we know why George W. Bush lies it’s the teaching of the church leaders. How do we teach our children to tell the truth when our religious leaders/President continue to lie until they get caught. The church sould be asking the families about their kids involvement with Paster Haggard as they should with fingers Foley. Yes I understand the friends/family feeling sorry for the sinner but he took their hearts and money and used it for sin. I wonder if he gave some meth to President Bush during those visits to the White House. Americans should learn from this when you use God’s Name for sin, greed and power Satan is in control. Beware of the down fall as God takes back control. Look for others to have the hand of God touch them in ways we could never understand.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:11 pmI DO FEEL SORRY FOR THIS GUY.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:16 pmHe is part of the human condition : any one who hates himself for his condition whatever that condition is , sexual , religious , spiritual ,or physical is bound to condemn all with the same conditions .
We know many who respond in the same manner . Bush , limbough , hannety dodson etc… etc… alas too many of them too may emotionally sick who can ply their deseases on so many just for profit . This corporations who give them a platform should be ashamed .
I am going to say something unpopular here:
The man is discredited, his preaching has been discredited, and any future preaching against gays will always be discredited by his own hypocrisy, and that is enough. The dog is down, we don’t have to kick it anymore.
Besides, eventually the right will start calling us homophobes if this nonsense keeps on much longer. It isn’t like Haggard diddled little kids.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:20 pmI dont understand why anyone would be so shocked about this. Jer 23 clearly states that pastors lead flocks astray. I dont even bother going to church because the very people up there on the pulpit preaching to the masses are doing evey sin imaginable. Besides I can read the Bible for myself!
November 5th, 2006 at 1:20 pmOf course the real “sexual problem” he has is one of self hate and denial. He’s a clone of Roy Cohn. He’s a gay man bent on destoying all other gay people because he hates what he is so very much. But to his credit, he is right on when he calls himself a Deciever and a Liar.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:21 pmOh Daryll…. Where’s that apology you owe TP?
November 5th, 2006 at 1:22 pmTrue colors revealed.
Lets see your smarmy smug grin again as you lied in front of your wife and 5 CHILDREN. Lets see your Pious condescending glare as you jusged homosexuals as deviants headed for Hell.
Sack of Sh*t is too coward that he has someone else read his apology
True Christian Taliban
November 5th, 2006 at 1:22 pmI hate to say it #13, but they won’t wake up. They gave money to Swaggart, Baker, and others we never even heard of. They gave money to Haggard. Now they’ll pray for him, then find someone else to give their money to. Someone else who considers free thinking to be immoral. Someone else who feeds their hate.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:25 pmI completely agree with Bruce. The man is a victim of the branch of organized religion he was born into. They told him his entire life that homosexuality was deviant and evil and was to be hated. He spent his life in denial because that is what he was taught a person with integrity would do.
Instead of attacking Revend Ted for finally cracking from the pressure, we should use this as an example of what a culture breeds when they force humans to live in the reality that they wish existed rather than the one that does.
And the reality that exists is that gay people are not evil.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:25 pmIt isn’t like Haggard diddled little kids.
Comment by Bruce Gorton —
No, he just diddled with their immature, young minds. Did you see Jesus Camp?
November 5th, 2006 at 1:28 pmI wonder how he was able to conceive 5 children… Was that what the meth was for?
November 5th, 2006 at 1:28 pmAlmost makes me wish that someone could prove that Jesus was gay.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:31 pmFollow the 3
=8^]
[I agree with Bruce Lets move on and let this mans [Haggard] conscience do it’s justice.]]
November 5th, 2006 at 1:34 pmAS-Colo
It is because he really believes it is evil. He is as brainwashed as those that follow him, and this is a part of himself which he loaths and is incapable of understanding. The man sees it as his flaw, when his real flaw is his need to cover it by projecting his worst instincts onto others.
The man is human, just like everyone else - and given time he can be brought to the real truth, that the God he has tortured and damned himself for does not exist, that all of that self loathing that has spilled onto others was for nothing. I pity him, not for his downfall, but that he had to hate so hard to try to hide it from himself.
If there is a hell, it is contained within the mind of a person who hides behind hate. If there is a heaven, it is in the mind of a person who doesn’t have to.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:34 pmThere are others on his side of the aisle that could say the same.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:40 pmGo ahead and speak up fellas.
There are others on his side of the aisle that could say the same.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:40 pmGo ahead and speak up fellas.
Even after he got caught he was still lying. Now all of a sudden he’s truthful because the evidence against him is so strong that his lies can’t hold up to scrutiny anymore. He is not a total victim of a hateful religion. He is an adult and could still make conscious choices. He could have been honest with himself at any time, not just when he got caught. He totally preyed on other people because he liked the millions, the spotlight, and the access to the White House. Even now, he won’t admit he’s gay. He’ll go into rehab and come out a “cured” homosexual and become the president of Exodus, making even more millions.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:42 pmAnother gay, anti-gat crusader fails the Republicans’ own Boy Scout Test.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:43 pmIf there is a hell, it is contained within the mind of a person who hides behind hate. If there is a heaven, it is in the mind of a person who doesn’t have to.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 5, 2006 @ 1:34 pm
Once again, excellent post…
November 5th, 2006 at 1:43 pmOur Pastor today for the sermon focused on Mark’s Gospel about ‘love your neighbor’. This to me is what the conservative slant of religion, tolerance and love for fellow human beings goes lacking. I simply do not want to be part of a religion that hates in any form. It is not what Christ was teaching in my opinion.
Tuesday’s national referendum will surely be on Iraq, but I think genuinely people want to feel better about themselves and to uplift not only Americans in need by any ‘neighbor’ in need. It’s who we are at the core….I firmly believe that.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:49 pmRepublican Christian forgiveness calls for an endless supply of love and compassion for the fallen Republican faithful. It also calls for a never ending tirade of hate, venom and neverending remembrance of Democratic sins….witness Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd.
IOIYAAR.
-GSD
November 5th, 2006 at 1:56 pmBoo hoo, I have sinned. Spare me.
1. Is there a transcript? I’ve yet to see anything where he says “Yes I had sex with a male hooker.” Sexual immorality covers a lot of ground.
2. If he has said “Yes I had sex with a male hooker,” then this is the same thing as a vocal rascist caught banging an African-American hooker. Do we say “Aww, the poor man, he must really be black,” or “Dear me, he’s just a victim of his upbrining”?
Only if we’re idiots.
I hate it when creeps like this get one ounce of pity (or Meth) because they get their kicks with other men. Save your sympathy for the people who live in fear of fundy wingnuts smashing out the windows of their homes. The people who can’t visit a spouse in all but law in the hospital because they aren’t “really married.” Who’ve had the crap kicked out of them by “God fearing” bigots. I don’t care who (or what) Haggard screwed. His fetish got him in trouble and it won’t be any fun now that everyone knows. That’s the only reason he’s sorry, if he’s sorry at all.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:56 pmHeh, the only thing harder than trying to figure out republicans, is trying to figure out why some of my posts disappear, reappear, and disappear again. Kinda freaky…
November 5th, 2006 at 1:56 pmAlmost makes me wish that someone could prove that Jesus was gay.
It would be hilarious just to see the reactions on the faces of these hypochristian f*ckers!!!
November 5th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI agree with unbelievable: The Christian culture teaches people to be ashamed of their own nature and to hide behind a veneer of disgust for the very acts they’re committing. While I know that a majority of male Christians routinely indulge in pornography and masturbation, they’re expected to show public disdain for these actions, rather than admit that they enjoy them.
Ted Haggard is no different, except that the pressure was even greater upon him to hide his desires, and this pressure likely forced him deeper into those “sins.” Of course, that doesn’t get him off the hook, and he went quite far in propogating the harmful culture he was a victim of.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:03 pmTalk about mass suicides!!!
November 5th, 2006 at 2:05 pmWhen will the faithful awaken to the clay feet of their idols?
November 5th, 2006 at 2:05 pmThe hypocritical leaders continue to demonstrate their deceit and lies, then beg forgiveness.
The christian faith teaches that you are saved by faith, and faith alone.
In other words, if you believe you are saved by jesus, you will be rewarded in heaven. So their leaders repeat this so often, they believe they are free to do whatever they want and they’ll see jesus in heaven later.
It doesn’t matter to them that they have perverted their own message - they have the get out of jail free card.
That’s one of the many reasons why I think religion is demagoguery, preying upon the superstitious.
Haggard, his Meth, and his Men!
November 5th, 2006 at 2:06 pmHow many times I gotta say it…These idiots don’t serve the God I serve. They serve the God of politics.
Practical politics consists of ignoring facts. — Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881)
We need a list of outed gay republicans. Somebody call Jeff Gannon get his list of clients. I even suspect Rove is a lover of the anus. Did anybody see how he was dancing around like a fairy in the documentary, “Bush’s brain” when the reporters were trying to hit him with the snowballs? Of course, this will all be washed up under the bridge cause’ now Saddam is going to die. Two more news cycles and we will be going into the election with exactly what they want America to hear and see before they go into the polls on Tuesday.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:09 pmThey seem to be following a Hegelized/Schmitt version of Jesus that I don’t recognize either…In fact, I don’t know them at all. I don’t recognize them in any way….
November 5th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#39 If there is a hell, it is contained within the mind of a person who hides behind hate. If there is a heaven, it is in the mind of a person who doesn’t have to.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
I really like that statement.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:13 pmTom Delay said it best:
“Just think of what we could accomplish…if we spent less time on our soapboxes and more time on our knees.”
November 5th, 2006 at 2:13 pmIn 10 mins: Bush on TV
He will defend the death sentence for Saddam Hussein.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:14 pmIs it just blamable self-justification for a war with bad reasons or is it just verdict against a cruel and inhuman dictator who was unknown to human mankind?
Saddam shouted “traitors” and “long live the people” only seconds after the judge said hanging. The judge that is in place for the other judge.
You guys just don’t understand. But neither do most Christians/evangelicals. If you did you wouldn’t be that surprised. Being a pastor doesn’t make you Jesus Christ, you’re still a sinning human. People that get caught up on hipocracy just don’t get it. Its not about them its about yourself. Theres no hate in their agenda. Anyone who uses this to derail the conservative or republican groups just doesn’t see the whole picture. The biggest test of a liberal’s agenda is when they have children, if they past that test they’re children will fail. Everytime someone does something you don’t want your kids to do, the chances are that much more that they will do it, younger and younger. Plain and simple.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:19 pmTime for Ted to get honest and accept the gift of his sexuality as a gift from God and stop denying it. That is the worst part. He sees sin where there is none. The real sin is the lying and drug abuse, and that should be forgiven. Of course his church has expunged him from their web site already. So much for forgiveness.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:20 pmAmericans should learn from this when you use God’s Name for sin, greed and power Satan is in control. Beware of the down fall as God takes back control. Look for others to have the hand of God touch them in ways we could never understand.
Comment by Jackie
Follow the 3
=8^]
[I agree with Bruce Lets move on and let this mans [Haggard] conscience do it’s justice.]]
I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD EXPRESS WHATEVER THEY FEEL…WHY ARE YOU SO UPSET BY OTHERS WANTING TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES? WHY DO YOU THINK EVERYONE IS GOING TO STOP TALKING BECAUSE YOU THINK ITS ENOUGH ALREADY? LET EVERYONE TALK…IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION GREAT BUT DON”T TELL PEOPLE TO STOP WHEN EVERYONE CLEARLY WANTS TO GO ON
November 5th, 2006 at 2:24 pmYou cannot seperate the sin from the sinner. Period. Isn’t this the way they derailed Clinton? I use the same yardstick they used against him agains this idiot.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:25 pmWhat is the plan for when the Republicans steal this midterm through the voting machines? Here in Upstate New York, several loyal Democrats have said they will defect from the party if we allow it to happen a third time.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:28 pmComment by publickindness — November 5, 2006 @ 2:13 pm
It would be hilarious just to see the reactions on the faces of these hypochristian f*ckers!!!
Comment by Lee — November 5, 2006 @ 2:02 pm
And, it might finally get us some peace and quiet from those wishing to force their religion upon us…
November 5th, 2006 at 2:39 pmAt least he had the balls to say “Im a deceiver and a liar”. How sweet those words would be from Dumya and Darth!
November 5th, 2006 at 2:41 pmWhile I know that a majority of male Christians routinely indulge in pornography and masturbation, they’re expected to show public disdain for these actions, rather than admit that they enjoy them.
Comment by Squints — November 5, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Great analogy… and we’re only talking about looking at pictures of naked people and touching oneself. If they are willing to deny and condemn these “minor” natural inclinations, I’m not surprised when they condemn even more loudly the ones they deem really bad.
We’ve raised generations of liars. It’s because we punish honesty. Think about it…
November 5th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#31 un -
November 5th, 2006 at 2:43 pmIsn’t it convenient for Daryll to be absent today? I’m sure he is at church, trying to figure out how he could have gotten this so wrong!
Now is the time for all bible thumbers to say:
“TED WHO”…. falwall just did…next?
November 5th, 2006 at 2:44 pm59 - josh T”he biggest test of a liberal’s agenda is when they have children, if they past that test they’re children will fail.”
I hereby nominate this post as the most gibberishy of the day.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:46 pm“Just think of what we could accomplish…if we spent less time on our soapboxes and more time on our knees.â€
Comment by AvengingAngel — November 5, 2006 @ 2:13 pm
So, you’re advocating blowjobs? :)
Actually, prayer doesn’t change anything. Actions do. You can certainly prya before or acfter you’ve been pro-active, as I don’t think it matters one way or another - but far too many people substitute prayer for action, and that has gotten them no where.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:46 pmIt sounds like we have some hurting people who think that identifiying with a political party, church, or an organization makes you somehow a very bad person or a very good person. I hate to break it to you, it doesn’t work that way. “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, if it wasn’t for the forgiveness of sins found only in Jesus Christ, not in a six pack of beer, saving the spotted owl, driving a Lexus, or bashing others to make ourselves feel better, we are all “up the creek without a paddle”. Let’s pray for Ted’s children and his wife… these people are going to grow up with a lot to face and they are the real victims here.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:46 pmPlain and simple.
Comment by josh — November 5, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
Actually josh, your post was neither plain nor simple…
November 5th, 2006 at 2:48 pmIt is one thing to sin. It is another to outright lie and put the very people you sleep with under the political bus.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:51 pmI emailed this to a friend last Thursday:
If God is omni-present, then God is all genders.
If God is Love, then Love is not gender-specific, because God is all genders.
The Biblical prohibition against homosexuality is a translation of a prohibition against pederasts, men who use boys as sex slaves. The change in translation is enlightening, for the Church railed against homosexuality while harboring pedarists.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:51 pmIsn’t it convenient for Daryll to be absent today? I’m sure he is at church, trying to figure out how he could have gotten this so wrong!
Comment by RUCerious — November 5, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Yes, quiet convenient indeed… I’m sure that if he ever shows up again, he will either revert to using his middle name, or he will wait until the matter is old news.
You really think Daryll ‘figures’? :)
November 5th, 2006 at 2:51 pmLet’s pray for Ted’s children and his wife… these people are going to grow up with a lot to face and they are the real victims here.
Comment by Reality Check — November 5, 2006 @ 2:46 pm
Praying will do them no good. Let’s get them therapy in a support group of other people who have gay fathers. Let’s DO something more helpful than ‘wish’ them better. Nice sentiment, but it doesn’t work.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:54 pmSays the bible: What do we do if thine eyes offend thee? Pluck them out.
Better hide the knives in the Haggard house because it looks like his weenie has offended thee.
-GSD
November 5th, 2006 at 2:57 pmThe White House is already distancing themselves from Haggard, as they did Ken Lay and Jack Abramoff. But in a Time Magazine Cover Story:
http://www.tedhaggard.com/time.jsp
November 5th, 2006 at 2:59 pmhttp://www.time.com/ time/ covers/ 1101050207/ photoessay/ 11.html
hate breeds hate, bittterness is a symptom of hate, wasn’t it Jesus who said “he who is without sin, cast the first stone…”?
November 5th, 2006 at 2:59 pmhalllllllalllluah, jesus christ, almighty, glorious god, the glory of all glory, man of magic, aaaaaaamen.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:04 pmhe is now saved.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:04 pmWell said, Bruce Gorton & Briseadh na Faire.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:04 pmWhat I find most amazing about this is that Haggard preached the word of god for millions. People accepted his word as a preacher as the word of god. They accepted him. They loved him. They trusted his guidance to help them in their own lives. He probably helped many. But once it is found out that he has had homosexual relations all that get sthrown out the window by these people. Its like he never existed anymore to them. These god following people have shunned a man that they onced loved and will cast him aside as easy as a used napkin. Granted Haggard was an idiot to fight against things that he did himself but this to act the way this church is acting is below anything Haggard has done……godly speaking.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:13 pmColorado Springs’ New Life Church just announced that it has fired Pastor Ted Haggard for his “sexually immoral conduct.” The much publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard’s fellow Evangelical leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle’s Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
“Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ david-goldstein/ whos-to-blame-for-pastor_b_33279.html
November 5th, 2006 at 3:14 pmThis is a situation where a married man paid for sex outside the marriage, whether it is called massage or not, begs the point. Prostitution ought not to be confused with marriage, for they are two separate things. In western civilization female prostitution and heterosexual marriage have co-existed side by side for millenia.
So, can someone please tell me how male prostitution, allegedly enhanced by the use of meth, how it promotes the agenda of gay marriage? Because I don’t see it! I think it hurts it. I agree with all the bloggers I’ve read who say the Jones/Haggard scandal presents the seedier side, overshadowing the beauty of same-sex couples — those who love and commit till death do them part. Prostitution is prostitution, marriage is marriage — so come on everyone, and the twain shall never meet.
The wife and the five children, innocent victims, have just had their lives torn apart by two men. By one man who can’t control his sexual desires, and by another man who gets paid to scintillate another man’s desires. Sheesh, this is really really sad. I believe the core issue here is self centeredness and false ego enlargement.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:19 pmShouldn’t the trolls be out of church by now? On both coasts?
**crickets chirping**
November 5th, 2006 at 3:20 pmShouldn’t the trolls be out of church by now? On both coasts?
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 3:20 pm
I saw Hendler on another post - the one about Saddam.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:25 pmI believe the core issue here is self centeredness and false ego enlargement.
Comment by Skyridge — November 5, 2006 @ 3:19 pm
The core issue here is the hate-mongering and guilt his religion put upon him by denying him the right to be who he is - gay.
If someone told you it was wrong to go to the bathroom (a natural urge), could you hold it in permanently? You can no more stop people from sexual urges either.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:28 pmI saw Hendler on another post - the one about Saddam.
Comment by unbelievable
He’s still over there, talking to himself, I guess.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:29 pmA republican hypocrite arsehole who actually ADMITS something?!
Took him long enough though.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:32 pmHe’s still over there, talking to himself, I guess.
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
We should invite him over here… :)
November 5th, 2006 at 3:33 pmPlease; try to put yourself in his shoes. Can you imagine the pain and humiliation this man is feeling right now? Whether we agree with him politically, socially or theologically, he remains a human being deeply in need of love and respect at this moment. No need to pile on.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:38 pmI do feel bad for him.
Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality.
Haggard is a victim of the religious culture that is convinced otherwise. I have no doubt that he believed everything he preached. And that’s why I feel sorry for him.
The letter that he wrote (the entire text is available at the denver post page) firmly asserts that “sensuality” itself is a sin. That belief is the true sickness here.
It is not his homosexuality that has caused him so much pain in life. It is his belief that this is an evil dirty thing. And the letter just shows that he still believes that more than ever.
It’s very sad.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:38 pmWe should invite him over here… :)
Comment by unbelievable
I wouldn’t…
November 5th, 2006 at 3:41 pmrobert I agree with you to a point, however the pain and humilation this man is feeling, is caused by himself. He and those like him, want to make homosexuality illegal, and eliminate, or “cure” homosexuals. If our society was able to get over the issue, and noone cared who you prefered then there would be no shame and no humility.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:42 pmThe tragic thing is Ted Haggart still considers his lusting for sex with other men as a perversion/sin, but his hypocrisy as a pastor preaching hatred for Gays, and his own acts with a male escort, are the real sin!
November 5th, 2006 at 3:43 pmHe should accept the fact that he is Gay, be proud of it, and not live a phony life of shame! If he tries to cure his homosexuality, then he will fail and end up committing suicide, so he needs to admit being Gay and stop using crystal meth as a bad habit that harms himself!
The letter that he wrote (the entire text is available at the denver post page) firmly asserts that “sensuality†itself is a sin. That belief is the true sickness here.
…
It’s very sad.
Comment by Paul Jackson
Agreed. That is extremely sad. I wonder if he’ll ever be able to accept his sexuality…
November 5th, 2006 at 3:45 pmI wouldn’t…
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
He won’t come.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:47 pmTed still doesn’t get it. What is so “repulsive and dark” about him is not his same-sex attraction, nor is it his drug abuse; it is the many layers of lies and deception he has erected, the hypocrisy of presenting himself as a paragon of family values, and his ardent opposition to gays. Even now, with his half-hearted confession that has followed a chain of lies until he was backed into a corner and could lie no more, he still insists on vilifying homosexuals. This is not taking responsiblity for your actions, Ted. This is realizing you’ve been caught and trying to minimize the deleterious consequences to yourself. I don’t care that you had sex with a male prostitute and used meth (though that behavior was terribly unjust to your wife and kids). What bothers me is that you continued to deny everything with that self-righteous, shit eating grin of yours.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:48 pmThe reality is that once you’ve been culturally indocrinated into a belief system, it is very difficult and rare that people escape it.
For Rev. Ted to suddenly accept himself is unlikely. I think it is only possible if he seeks therapy from non-religious sources and surrounds himself with people who accpet him as he is. My guess is that after being a preacher, he won’t and at some point now the road, the news will be even worse than this…
November 5th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAnyone else find it highly ironic that the least forgiving and most condemning commentary in here comes from those who claim to be Christians?
November 5th, 2006 at 3:54 pmHe won’t come.
Comment by unbelievable
He probably won’t be here either. :)
November 5th, 2006 at 3:55 pmi before e except after c……
November 5th, 2006 at 3:57 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_by_the_Right
“Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative (ISBN 1-4000-4728-5) is a 2002 book written by former conservative journalist David Brock detailing his departure from the conservative movement. It is also the story of his coming out as a gay man. In the book, he recounts visiting gay bars with Matt Drudge and other conservatives.”
This was the conservative columnist who tried to undo the Clinton presidency… notice a thread here…
November 5th, 2006 at 3:58 pmPoor little “man”. He’s going to burn in HELL for sure. But since sodomy is welcome there, good for him!
November 5th, 2006 at 4:00 pmIronic yes, surprised…not so much.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:01 pmIf someone told you it was wrong to go to the bathroom (a natural urge), could you hold it in permanently? You can no more stop people from sexual urges either.
Comment by unbelievable — November 5, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
I would need to defer to a scientist to adequately respond to the issue your comment raises. Your assumption that sexual desire is a bodily function equivalent to kidney elimination, at least I posit, may prove to be a gross oversimplification of the process that actually occurs when engaging sexual desire.
But what I would posit, assuming your assumption that kidney elimination and sexual orgasm are actually the same function, what I would posit is this: It would behoove gays to legalize prostitution in order to ensure health standards are attained to prevent infection of the bladder, instead of seeking to legalize marriage as an institution. Marriage is not about kidney elimination. Marriage is a legal status whose goal is to promote the interests of society, enhancing social stability and protecting the interests of children. Prostitution has not ever been considered to be in the interests of society. Prostitution spreads disease and weakens the marriage institution, causing social instability which harms the child.
This is why this scandal hurts the cause of gay marriage: there has been confusion in the Jones/Haggard scandel between the concept of male prostitution and the concept of gay marriage. In other words, to speak of gay marriage in the same breath as male prostitution, demeans and undermines the institution of marriage. It makes it look like to the public that gays want to institutionalize prostitution by calling it ‘marriage’, and getting health benefits, insurance, etc., to bout.
Here is one of the confused assumptions expressed in blogs:
If gay marriages were legalized, Ted Haggard would be openly gay, would divorce his wife and marry a man. But this is like saying that a heterosexual man who visits a female prostitute is going to leave his wife and children. It doesn’t happen that way. It is far more complex than bladder elimination.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:01 pmHas anyone ventured over to Freeper Land to see what sort of bile they’re spewing?
November 5th, 2006 at 4:04 pmHaggard is such a sleazebag that he’ll get “cured” and then make more millions preaching that gays can be cured. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of this slimeball.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:07 pmIronic yes, surprised…not so much.
Comment by Dog_named_Boo — November 5, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
I noticed that even the most sympathetic Christians still fell into the “hate the sin” trap. I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but the longer I’m an Atheist, the more their inability to sympathize with others shocks me.
It seems to obvious that he was a product of his environment, and that his anti-gay mentality is the result of his self-loathing. How does that evoke anything but pity for the man? And a desire to see him get help accepting himself.
If you don’t first love yourself, you cannot love anyone else.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:10 pm[…] This video is kind of old but relevant. For those who don’t know Richard Dawkins has just published “The God Delusion” and Ted Haggard was just busted for having drug fueled sex with male prostitutes (kind of goes against his evangelical christian faith)… How the mighty have fallen. Update: Haggard just confessed. […]
November 5th, 2006 at 4:14 pmI would need to defer to a scientist to adequately respond to the issue your comment raises.
I’ll help you out. You cannot.
Your assumption that sexual desire is a bodily function equivalent to kidney elimination, at least I posit, may prove to be a gross oversimplification of the process that actually occurs when engaging sexual desire.
Not really. I’ve experienced both urges. Ignoring the need to pee is a lot harder.
But what I would posit, assuming your assumption that kidney elimination and sexual orgasm are actually the same function,
Huh? I didn’t say orgasm. I said the urge to have sex. Those are not the same things. Are you about to set up a strawman… ?
what I would posit is this: It would behoove gays to legalize prostitution in order to ensure health standards are attained to prevent infection of the bladder, instead of seeking to legalize marriage as an institution.
A pretty scary strawman at that. Dude, I’m not sure if I’m amused or scared that you’re saying this…
It’s like you don’t get that gay people love just like you love . Their love isn’t deviant.
Marriage is not about kidney elimination.
This strawman is getting more and more bizarre…
Marriage is a legal status whose goal is to promote the interests of society, enhancing social stability and protecting the interests of children.
Then explain the nearly 60% divorce rate, extra-marital affairs and associates impacts on children growing up in such environments… No marriage is not what you’ve suggested. Nice fairytale though…
Prostitution has not ever been considered to be in the interests of society. Prostitution spreads disease and weakens the marriage institution, causing social instability which harms the child.
I suppose you have valid, non-religious proof that actual Scientists approve of? Because I’m skeptical.
If gay marriages were legalized, Ted Haggard would be openly gay, would divorce his wife and marry a man. But this is like saying that a heterosexual man who visits a female prostitute is going to leave his wife and children. It doesn’t happen that way. It is far more complex than bladder elimination.
Comment by Skyridge — November 5, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
I’m not sure how your though process thought that was even a remotely logical or relevant argument… but you clearly are under the influence of an excessive amount of denial.
I’d attempt to explain it to you, but I understand it’s pointless… Sheesh.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:19 pmHas anyone ventured over to Freeper Land to see what sort of bile they’re spewing?
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 4:04 pm
No, but I can guess that he has evolved into Satan trying to fool the true Christians, or something in nonsensical like that… I’m pretty sure it’s not compassion or sympathy.
But, hey, I dare you to check it out : )
November 5th, 2006 at 4:21 pmBut, hey, I dare you to check it out : )
Comment by unbelievable
I’m not contaminating my computer with that mess…
I double dog dare YOU to check it out!
November 5th, 2006 at 4:24 pmToday’s church service at New Life Church was tremendously spirit -filled. It was our celebration of God and how great and wonderful and loving he is. Pastor Haggard is just like every other man who is in the midst of crisis - in the midst of fighting against a sinful life. We are praying for him. He never preached hatred - not once - but he did teach from the Bible- God’s word - that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination to God. These are God’s words, not Pastor Haggard’s. If you take issue with them, you need to take it up with God. It is wrong for people to condemn this man. It is wrong to judge him so harshly, especially when we are all sinners and all have our personal struggles. I hope his courageous admission will help others see that God will not turn from anyone - that He will love and embrace anyone who seeks him earnestly. Perhaps the public thinks it was Mike Kelly who exposed the truth, but we in the Church of Christ know that God will reveal all in His time, and, in Ted Haggard’s case, it was now. I will never take pleasure in anyone’s downfall or struggle, I ask you to do the same. One day you will stand in the midst of your crisis and hope no one will be there to spurn or ridicule you. I pray that Pastor Haggard can fight the demons he has within and win the battle that the devil is so fervently waging with him now.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:26 pmIf anyone thinks preachers, pastors, priests don’t think about sex or masturbate you are dead wrong. Every man that has lived is incapable of ignoring women. Infact if you were trying to practice chasity that would make you more sexually driven, but this man had a wife, so think of how hard it is for preists. There are great men in the preisthood but the majority are crazy loons.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:29 pmI double dog dare YOU to check it out!
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
Why, what do they do to your computer over there? Hijack your IP?
I TRIPLE dog dare you to go…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:29 pmIt is entirely probable that if homosexual marriage was legal and acceptable, that many homosexuals would not have gotten into heterosexual marriages in the first place. By having the option of a committed homosexual marriage, they could avoid the heartache to themselves as well as the heartache to the wives and children of the heterosexual marriage used in a futile attempt to “pass”.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:30 pmHey Nancy,
I haven’t condemned the man once. There’s nothing wrong with Pastor Haggard. He’s simply gay. The only demons he has to battle are self-hatred and judgment — from people not in the liberal community.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:31 pmIf you take issue with them, you need to take it up with God.
Comment by Nancy — November 5, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
There is no god Nancy. just people. The best thing you can do for that man is accept him the way he is and stop torturing him to think he is evil and must hate himself.
You want to be kind? Stop worrying about your religious rules and face reality.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:31 pmthis is perfect for all the hopeless followers of arrogant, self-absorbed leaders. they are all suspect and certainly they all suck. …and the followers are all typically stupid. from swaggart to bakker to any form of organized religion - they’re all as bad as any other corrupt entity.
whatever. they can all rot in hell. …oh, yeah, there IS no hell.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:32 pmRepulsive and Dark? Yup, the closet is both of those things.
However, Ted Haggard made it clear in the remainder of his statement that he intends to stay firmly in the closet. He’s working with leaders of the church to begin a process of healing. LOL, ya, that’ll work…….
Ted, you don’t need to be healed from being gay. How many thousands of men (some much better than you) have tried and failed? Stay married (if you want), keep preaching (if you want), but don’t ever believe for one second that if you work hard enough and have faith enough that you’ll be healed.
God made you JUST the way your are. Maybe you should take a page from Mel White and focus your preaching career on ending bigotry, hatred, and lies about gays and lesbians. Just a thought…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:33 pmWhy, what do they do to your computer over there? Hijack your IP?
No idea! I have a personal relationship with my lord and savior Dell computer, and I just can’t expose my personal jeebus to Freeper Land.
I TRIPLE dog dare you to go…
Comment by unbelievable
In the voice of Bush 41 — Not gonna do it…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:34 pmHomosexuality is wrong. God greated us to have union with the “opposite” sex.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:35 pmTed Haggard is simply a sinner like the rest of us. His homosexual sin is no worse than any hetrosexual sin. The grace of God is extended to him in the same way as it is to openly homosexual & hetrosexual sinners.
The day is coming when all the blasphemies written above will be judged. In that day, Ted Haggard will be found justified before God, not because he was a perfect man but because he has received forgiveness from God. The same forgiveness is on offer to anyone, it’s free, just ask.
I do not understand how everyone can sit here and say that Christians are a bunch of idiots because they followed this guy and they are all a bunch of self hating closet homos and that is why they have to gay bash. If any of you truly knew anything about Christianity it is not about hating yourself. It is about loving anyone REGARDLESS of the things that they do. Do I think that what Ted did was immoral and wrong? Absolutely. And am I going to feel bad for him? Not one bit. But I will definitely be praying for his wife and 5 children that now have to live with shame because of his terrible decisions. I am an on fire for God Christian and I do not hate myself because the Bible does not teach that and neither did Jesus. But according to The Bible homosexuality is a sin and is judged by God in the same way that any sin is. So don’t think that we just run around hating gay people because that is not what TRUE Christians are all about.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:36 pmBy having the option of a committed homosexual marriage, they could avoid the heartache to themselves as well as the heartache to the wives and children of the heterosexual marriage used in a futile attempt to “passâ€.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 5, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
Sorry, but see how you are the exception… ?
I have known many gay men over the years (a lot go onto architecture or interior design), and I wholly agree with you. Some of the men, and women, I have known tried to be in heterosexual relationships, even marriage, because they were taught to hate who they are. It’s a horrible, horrible thing to see them go through.
Jesus would have loved them as they are. I’m glad you get it. I just wish others of your faith would think this way…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:37 pmToday Haggard. Tomorrow, Dobson!
November 5th, 2006 at 4:38 pmI’m sure it won’t be long before we find out (probably from Daryll) that rev. ted is a democratic plant, perhaps a Clinton operative, who infiltrated the christian right years ago and assended to power with the intent of bringing them down them down through a sordid sexual scandal just before the ‘06 election. An agent of satan and, like Foley, a member of a ‘gay mafia’ sleeper cell who had been planning this attack for years.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:40 pmThe same forgiveness is on offer to anyone, it’s free, just ask.
Comment by Rick Evans
Rick, you are an arrogant prick.
Please forgive me…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:40 pmNo idea! I have a personal relationship with my lord and savior Dell computer, and I just can’t expose my personal jeebus to Freeper Land.
I’m not sure you should expose your sanity to freeperville…
Where are the boys? They’re usually willing to go over there and report back…
In the voice of Bush 41 — Not gonna do it…
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Chicken…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:40 pm#99 - “Ted still doesn’t get it. What is so “repulsive and dark†about him is not his same-sex attraction, nor is it his drug abuse …” Comment by CY
*******Dear CY, THANK YOU for your succinct example of moral relativism. In the make-believe world of “Progressivism”, NOTHING is evil except specific morals and conservatism. The attraction is not what he is criticized for. He is criticized for his BEHAVIOUR. Needless to say, I am shocked. I thought Progs would welcome another gay perv with open arms.
I do agree with you on the hypocrisy bit - - but this fine example of a sneaky “Saturday Sinner & Sunday Christian” is an excellent example that
November 5th, 2006 at 4:44 pmchurches and synagogues are not museums for saints but hospitals for sinners.
Homosexuality is wrong. God greated us to have union with the “opposite†sex.
See Zoo, you wished for them and they came…. happy now?
Ted Haggard is simply a sinner like the rest of us.
What a horrible way to view mankind - as inherently bad. No wonder you people dream of a magical afterlife from which you’ll escape this miserable life. No wonder you hate yourselves and one another. No freaking wonder.
The same forgiveness is on offer to anyone, it’s free, just ask.
Comment by Rick Evans — November 5, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Forgiveness from invisible idols is not necessary. Lindness and love form his fellow human beings is. It’s free - just do it.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:45 pmHey Zooey, love your poetry (Rick/prick), consider yourself forgiven.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWhere are the boys? They’re usually willing to go over there and report back…
They have both flown the zoo, so I am no longer able to use them so horrendously.
Chicken…
Comment by unbelievable
Hey, I’m the one waiting for the Mormon boys to come around so I can ask to see their holy underoos. It’s not my fault they keep sending the Mormon girls to my door…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWhat’s Daryll’s middle name? Is it Rick?
November 5th, 2006 at 4:46 pmSo don’t think that we just run around hating gay people because that is not what TRUE Christians are all about.
Comment by Blinded by Ignorance — November 5, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
Actions speak louder than words. And the actions of most Christians are hateful toward homosexuals.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:46 pm“Homosexuality is wrong. God greated us to have union with the ‘opposite’ sex.”
Rick was apparently in on the planning meetings.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:48 pmNeedless to say, I am shocked. I thought Progs would welcome another gay perv with open arms.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 5, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
We do welcome you. We’d welcome you more if you’d just admit that you are gay.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:50 pm126 - as you have noticed, others who profess Christianity are not of the same faith as PLC.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:50 pmThey have both flown the zoo, so I am no longer able to use them so horrendously.
Was thinking the TP boys… In fact, Quadrajet just showed up. Lets’ get him to go… :)
Hey, I’m the one waiting for the Mormon boys to come around so I can ask to see their holy underoos. It’s not my fault they keep sending the Mormon girls to my door…
Comment by Zooey — November 5, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
Could you ask them to send their brothers next time? That you need a boy to speak to, as girls are second-class citizens not equally capable (they’ll fall for that nonsense I bet…)
November 5th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#124
“Ted Haggard will be found justified before God, not because he was a perfect man but because he has received forgiveness from God. The same forgiveness is on offer to anyone, it’s free, just ask.”
Why would I ask for forgiveness from the non-existent Christian god for non-existent sins committed against the non-existent Christian god?
Sounds kinda odd, but I do respect your right to self-flagellation.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:52 pmWhat’s Daryll’s middle name? Is it Rick?
Comment by Quadrajet — November 5, 2006 @ 4:46 pm
Funny… :) Daryll wasn’t quite that grammatically fluent though…
Hey, Zoo and I think you should go check out RedState.org and see what they are saying about this…
November 5th, 2006 at 4:53 pm126 - as you have noticed, others who profess Christianity are not of the same faith as PLC.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — November 5, 2006 @ 4:50 pm
If he were the majority I probably would still be one (No, not an invitation to convert me, trolls. I’m happier as an Atheist). Sadly, as we’ve discussed, he’s not typical. Too bad. For everyone.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:56 pmSo if two people, of the same sex, decide to get married it would not matter to the evangelicals because God would forgive them for not being perfect?
Talk about confusing….so the evangelicals condemn liberals, homosexual and sinners so God can forgive them later?
Huh. So we must create laws so people wont sin, but if they sin we should punish them, so God can forgive them for having us punish them for sinning so God can forgive them so we can punish them for sinning so God canforgive them so we can punish them for sinning so God can forgive…
What a horrible crazy loop!!
November 5th, 2006 at 4:56 pm“I thought Progs would welcome another gay perv with open arms.”
The brilliance of this is in how “gay” and “perv” are yoked together. The judgment and condemnation is built right in, and furthermore does double-duty: 1) a gay person is judged a “perv,” and 2) anyone who accepts a gay person is a horrible “perv-accepter.” It’s fantastic.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:58 pmWas thinking the TP boys… In fact, Quadrajet just showed up. Lets’ get him to go… :)
Comment by unbelievable — November 5, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
Give me a minute UB, I’ll throw on some protective clothing and head over there, hehehehe
November 5th, 2006 at 4:58 pmHey Dog_named_Boo, good effort. You’re really coming along. There is help available for reading and comprehension, JUST ASK! Love your heart.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:01 pmI did take it up with God. And God told me that several centuries ago a bunch of homophobic old men got together and twisted the Word of God to suit themselves. And God is sick and tired of the continued onslaught against allowing two people to love each other, regardless of gender. God said that S/He is going to continue to take down these self-annointed hypocrites preaching their word in God’s name.
Remember, Revelations speaks of two witnesses coming forward in the end times. Will you recognize it if one of them should speak to you today? Could you say with 100% certainty that I am not one of those of whom Revelations speaks? Have you ever breathed away a cloud?
November 5th, 2006 at 5:03 pmUnbelievable
Sorry, but see how you are the exception… ?
I admit that I am an exception trying to create a new rule.
Jesus would have loved them as they are. I’m glad you get it. I just wish others of your faith would think this way…
Yes. Me, too. I’m working on it!
November 5th, 2006 at 5:04 pmOkay fine, Zookeeper…
You owe me briilo pads…
Oddly, there was an ad for CNN across the header…
And it took a while to open the page (no doubt while they uploaded redneck spyware…)
There was nothing on this subject on the front or second pages… Just crap about Death to Saddam, smearing Harold Ford and Laura Bush’s birthday. So, denial as usual… Ignore it and it will go away… Figures.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:06 pmIf Christians love gay people so much then why don’t they campaign for equal rights instead of against them?
November 5th, 2006 at 5:06 pmHey Zooey, love your poetry (Rick/prick), consider yourself forgiven.
Comment by Rick Evans
I bet you get that a lot…I thought I felt an horrible burden lift off of me just now. Thank you Pri…..er, Rick.
I hope I’m one of the blasphemers….did I make the cut?
November 5th, 2006 at 5:06 pmSave me Rick Save ME!!
ROTFL!!
November 5th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI hope I’m one of the blasphemers….did I make the cut?
You, Zooey, are a precious person who is loved by God and by all who truly serve Him.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:11 pmOkay fine, Zookeeper…
You owe me briilo pads…
Comment by unbelievable
But you sent Quadrajet….and he went!
Note to self: FedEx brillo pads to unbelievable….tuck in some Hershey kisses for comfort…
November 5th, 2006 at 5:11 pmGive me a minute UB, I’ll throw on some protective clothing and head over there, hehehehe
Comment by Quadrajet — November 5, 2006 @ 4:58 pm
I stepped up…
Here are some comments from he Saddam post:
“I was actually a little surprised by this. Given the hand that we’ve had in setting up the incipient Iraqi justice system, clemency wouldn’t have been unexpected. Of course, Hussein may now get the obligatory twenty-five year stay on death row, complete with a big-time book deal and NPR stardom. Then I thought, thank God at least we won’t have yet another butcher dying peacefully in his bed to thumb his nose a