Saddam sentenced to death by hanging.
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Saddam sentenced to death by hanging.
“Iraqi officials imposed a full curfew on the capital and four provinces, confining people to their homes, fearing today’s verdict could unleash a new outburst of sectarian bloodshed between Shiites Muslims and Sunnis Arabs.”
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November 5th, 2006 at 9:10 amthe next 10 days will be critical (hat tip to tom friedman)
November 5th, 2006 at 9:11 amBesides revenge, what would putting Saddam Hussein to death accomplish? Would it bring back any of the people he killed? No. I will never, for the life of me, understand how a society that considers itself “civilized” could still accept execution as a form of punishment. It doesn’t prove that you are any better than the person you’re putting to death.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:17 amThis is no surprise, because I even wrote an article yesterday that I posted on another TP thread below this one. GOP and Bush Regime told the Kangaroo Court in Iraq to give Saddam the sentence of death by hanging today. This is an attempt to boost the chance of GOP holding onto the House, and Senate, so part of Karl Rove’s Oct-Nov surprise to justify massive vote fraud on Tuesday!
November 5th, 2006 at 9:19 amBesides revenge, what would putting Saddam Hussein to death accomplish? Would it bring back any of the people he killed? No. I will never, for the life of me, understand how a society that considers itself “civilized†could still accept execution as a form of punishment. It doesn’t prove that you are any better than the person you’re putting to death. Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — November 5, 2006 @ 9:17 am
Interesting, those were my exact thoughts reading the information TP posted. The news made me sick. Sick to know that despite all the advancements we have made as a conscious species, that many of us are still living in the Dark Ages - advocating and eye for an eye, and delighting in the news that someone is about to be killed.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:23 amWill undecided voters really be swayed by Saddam getting the death penalty? I don’t see this as a major deciding factor for them.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:23 amAmerica’s Least Wanted
This is an attempt to boost the chance of GOP holding onto the House, and Senate, so part of Karl Rove’s Oct-Nov surprise to justify massive vote fraud on Tuesday!
Comment by Jay Randal — November 5, 2006 @ 9:19 am
I have no doubt that you are right. But anyone who would be invigorated by such news is mentally disturbed. If anything, I would hope that it will enlighten some people that the neocons are just as criminal as the man they are about to hang.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:26 amGood Morning and good post’s Jay, Wayne and unbelievable….I agree with you all..Sad state of affair’s that this would be used, hust another sign of more corruption….
I’m outta here again today…The format has been changed back and this tiny posting box is another nightmare. ….Blessings to you all .
November 5th, 2006 at 9:33 amBush is giving a speech now about the verdict on Saddam > I might throw up since Dubya is the worst lying hypocrite president this nation has ever had to endure, plus he does the same stuff Ted Haggard did > hired a male escort Jeff Gannon for sex and probably still snorts coke too. Somebody please OUT Bush on Monday!
November 5th, 2006 at 9:39 amThese people will do anything for an edge. The puppet court was told to air the verdict today. If this sways anybodys opinion I wouldn’t be surprised. Since 9/11 unfortunately we give up freedom and believe nonsense for a false sence of security. It doesn’t change my vote. You would have to be stupid to think that he wasn’t going to be executed once he was caight a few years ago. That was a no brainer.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:40 amFrom the CNN article:
Underscoring the fault lines that split the international community and widened the divide between Muslims and Christians, Islamic leaders warned that the verdict could inflame those who revile the United States — undermining U.S. policy in the volatile Middle East and inspiring terrorists to strike.
“The hanging of Saddam Hussein will turn to hell for the Americans,” said Vitaya Wisethrat, a respected Muslim cleric in Thailand, where a bloody Islamic insurgency is raging in the country’s south.
Way to fight terrorism, Bush Co and friends. Now we’re an even bigger target.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:41 amMr. Schneider - that’s why Europe and most of the world has abolished the death penalty and opted for life in prison. They represent civilized society, not the U.S. Remember the outrage at the Supreme Court awhile back when it said the death penalty for juvenile offenders was unconstitutional? The opinion cited the fact that virtually every country in the world had abolished the death penalty. And Reich-Wingers criticized the Court for looking at International Norms for civilized societies.
Bush got what He wanted. Saddam wasn’t tried in an international tribunal like the Nurembur Trials because it would not have given the death penalty. And when Bush watched Saddam hang to death, it won’t be nearly as satisfying as He thinks, because somewhere in the back of His mind, He knows He could be found guilty of the same crimes.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:42 amFor anyone with a brain who has managed to keep aware of the accounts of this “trial,” it has never been impartial. When the lead judge is condemning the accused from the bench for their actions during the trial it is fairly easy to conclude that the outcome has been decided. I don’t think 99% of Americans are surprised or relieved by this “fair verdict” of the new Iraq government.
I agree with previous writers, this is simply a continuation of the bloodshead and will not “change” how the people of Iraq view the United States.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:45 amWe will see our fake Christian Prez dancing and talking up this hanging with glee to boost his own power. It will be a real freak show. Certainly justice should served but, Saddam is guilty of 148 deaths while Bush is gulity of 650,000 and counting.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:50 amBush loved to execute felons in Texas as Gov., so he enjoys having Saddam hanged, and he enjoyed killing Saddam’s 2 sons! Bush is a very sick person, who stuck firecrackers up frog’s asses to blow them up when he was a child, so we have a Hitlerian leader who enjoys death and destruction! How many of our soldiers will die today, because of the violence this verdict might cause? How many maimed? How many more killed on Monday, and Tuesday, to save the GOP control of the Congress? Anyone who votes for the GOP is sick too!
November 5th, 2006 at 9:51 am#12 Hey Brideshead revisted - (sorry just kidding)
They’re saving the International Court in the Hague for Chimpy McFlightsuit…..and his sidekick Dick’Mass death in the USA’ Cheney (who actually is the brains of the outfit…well someones got to be), you know Cheney, the guy that authorzied the cruise missle into the Pentagon…to coincide with the real attack on the WTC…security cameras dont lie.
You know an actual Nuremberg judge said that Bush is libel for war crimes? It’s even in wikipedia…
interesting…. What wuld Bush scream out at his verdict? ‘Ah never said “stay the course!’ “It was Dick’s Idea….yes he’s Kaiser Soze……Im just verbal kint….please ya gotta believe me!!!!’
Saddam, you see a sad old man and you cant believe what horror he caused……
November 5th, 2006 at 9:54 amlululululululululululululu!!!!!
November 5th, 2006 at 9:54 amSWB - I agree. There wasn’t much doubt when they announced a couple of weeks ago that the verdict and sentencing would be delayed until today.
And lest we forget, invading a sovereign country for the purpose of regime change violates international law.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:55 amit won’t be nearly as satisfying as He thinks, because somewhere in the back of His mind, He knows He could be found guilty of the same crimes.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — November 5, 2006 @ 9:42 am
I’d like to believe that, but I just can’t seem to muster up enough credit to give the man.
I think he truly believes that his god supports him doing this. And there is a passage in Genesis, I believe, that supports him killing a ‘killer’ (never mind that he himself is one - he will rationalize that away).
November 5th, 2006 at 9:57 am16 - FYI - Briseadh na Faire is Celtic for “Break of Dawn.”
November 5th, 2006 at 9:59 amI can’t help but wonder if the chaos is what the current Administration wanted. If this is their idea of as “November Surprise”, It may do them more damage than any Election day surprise. After all, it brings attention to the Iraq War when they sure don’t want it.
As for the death penalty; While I’ll shed no tears at Sadaam Hussien’s demise, I’m against it as I just don’t think it’s an effective deterrent (among other reasons). I’m honestly surprised when I meet people who are “Good Christians” but enthusiastically support the Death Penalty. I’m not being sarcastic, I’m really surprised at some people for this apparent dichotomy they espouse. I don’t think they are being hypocrites, just selectively applyin the Ten Commandments.
To be fair, I’ve met just as many people who are the complete opposite: they feel the death penalty is not Christian.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:59 amSo, while European countries are condemning the death penalty, Iran is in full support of Bush having Saddam hanged. That shows you exactly what kind of person Heir Bush is to get Ahmadinejad’s approval…
November 5th, 2006 at 9:59 amFrom CNN:
“An Iraqi court has rightly handed down this verdict, and it is just,” said Congressman Tom Lantos, the top Democrat on the U.S. House International Relations Committee.
This makes me even more appalled…
November 5th, 2006 at 10:01 amBush surrenders Iraq to Maliki’s death squads
by Ahmed Amr
[snip]
The latest media farce is to portray Nouri Al-Maliki as a man out to curb the violence and chaos in our Mesopotamian colony. According to this fable, The Prime Minister is caught between Iraq and a hard place - forced to navigate a treacherous path between a desire to assert the Iraqi State’s monopoly of violence over ‘rogue’ elements in the security forces and the Shia parties that engineered his ascension to power.
There is only one problem with this tale of Maliki’s woes. The Prime Minister is the defacto chairman of the death squads – a radical partisan leader who is out to insure Shia supremacy in the new Iraq. Maliki, Bayan Jabr and Moqtada Sadr are cut of the same ideological cloth. They are men who have spent a lifetime in the quest to convert Iraq into a Shia theocracy – by any means necessary.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:02 am#20 Ok, no offence intended.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:03 amI dont think this trial will have any influence at all, infact it will ahve a negative influence in that it will AGAIN bring up the Iraq war, Bush and Saddam, all negative aspects. Bush has blown it, No one buys him anymore, remember the boy that cried wolf…got eaten in the end….
The American people must not stand for ANYMORE bold faced lies about Iraq.
1999 war games foresaw problems in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20061105/ ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/ iraq_war_games;_ylt=AvLsX8rM1PPa28P6znq5SYvMWM0F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
But wait, I thought there was NO WAY to have anticipated the post Saddam violence?
Goddamn, I hate f*cking liars.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:03 am#14, #15 well put. Freak show is right. Bush is a cruel little momma’s boy, a real pathology.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:04 amif this trial success, Saddam will be execute…
November 5th, 2006 at 10:05 amRep. Lantos is a Trojan Horse Republican agent, like Sen. Joe Lieberman, and a Zionist supporter of Israel too! Democrats like Lantos could cause the GOP to remain in power > shame on him and he is almost 90, so time for him to retire from Congress immediately!
November 5th, 2006 at 10:06 amThis begs the question as to whether any of the analysts on the Sunday talk shows will ask how long it will be until the Bush administration is charged with crimes against peace and crimes against humanity. But to raise that issue may be considered too impolite and too straight forward a topic to be heard on the corporate airwaves. So much for broaching the issue of accountability with George W. Bush and company at the helm.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:14 amFinally some revenge for killing our troops after we helped these backward Iraqis! We are going to relish the justification for this war after all!
November 5th, 2006 at 10:26 am#3–I agree with you…death for Hussein would not accomplish a damn thing.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:13 amFinally some revenge for killing our troops after we helped these backward Iraqis!
That’s rich coming from you.
We are going to relish the justification for this war after all!
Comment by RayFromGa
That statement makes absolutely no sense.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:17 amThis is a bit anti-climactic isn’t it?
November 5th, 2006 at 11:27 amHe’s been on trial for a long time, the appeal will last a long time. Everyone expected a guilty verdict.
I don’t see how this helps repugs except that it reminds people of Iraq - and perhaps compare what Saddam did to what Bush&Co have done.
SpudgeBoy - is there any way to get you to re-think your support of the death penalty? Is revenge a sufficient basis for killing someone? Because that’s the only reason for still having the death penalty.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:33 amGuys…as I see more atrocities commited by Democratic Forces, will of Allah, will of Christ, etc. I am likely to find death penalty for these genocides, suitable. Kissinger, Negroponte, Reagan, Rumsfeld, Pinochet, Montesinos, Bush, Cheney should follow.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:39 amAnd this has what to do with 9/11, terrorism, al Qaeda and Osama?
November 5th, 2006 at 11:45 am#41 - Wow, Spudge. We usually agree, but you lost me on that one. I hope someday you will be able to reconsider your position.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:50 amI hope someday you will be able to reconsider your position.
Comment by Zooey
Mmmm, yeah, I think Im with you, Zoo. Death Penalty has not stop crime in any case unless you have a better social programs for poor communities.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:53 amSpudge, what is your basis for believing that some people deserve to die? The fact that they killed others? I don’t share your belief, but I understand it, if this is the reason.
How, though, do you reconcile the hypocrisy in killing them? That’s the part I don’t understand. I can’t even let someone kill chickens for me to eat, much less any other form of conscious life as a form of revenge.
Though, I guess I also don’t get how letting someone die is revenge. Wouldn’t revenge be some how more enduring? I’m not for revenge either, but just want to understand and know you’re capable of an actual thought-out argument.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:57 amThis verdict was to be expected, as the Arab culture is attuned to vengeance for injuries done to the clan/tribe.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:00 pmThe bigger question is, how much and for how long does this fuel Sunni reprisals?
If some sorry piece of crap rapes and murders a bunch of women, he should be put to death. He isn’t worth the bed or three square meals a day when there are people starving on our streets right this very minute.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
The thing is, Spudge, that most of the people sent to the gas chamber were poor. I have never seen a rich guy killed by the State. Prisons are a political tool. If justice was made like it is supposed too, I mean, true global, economic, politic and social justice, there wouldnt be death penalties.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:03 pmDeath by hanging, thats pretty harsh, I thought it would have been lethal injection.
Does he get 11 appeals on death row? Not.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:04 pmStop wasting my tax dollars on shacking up people that can’t be rehabilitated..
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 5, 2006 @ 11:56 am
In theory I understand this. It’s the reality of killing them and reconciling it with ethics that doesn’t figure out for me.
I guess my alterative would be to make prisons self-supporting, and put them in places no one wants the land.
I personally think that they are valuable. By interviewing them, the police have learned how to catch other killers and rapsist and their ilk. I hope we can use that information to prevent them from ever being conditioned to be killers and rapists to begin with… as I think most of them are products of their environments.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:04 pm@Spudge…
So over 2800 brave Americans died for 142 Iraqis in a country that had nothing to do with terrorism against America or Americans.
How does that make sense, and how is that supposed to help the Bush administration come Tuesday?
November 5th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThese people can’t be helped, because they don’t think there is anything wrong with killin’ other people. They deserve the death penalty to get them off the face of the planet.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
You are right. Those examples you made were not poor people. I was talking about mundane death penalty. But, in those cases, I rather spent that money on psychological and clynical tests to see whats in the mind of a pathologycal felon than put them a bullet in the head. But, there are examples were I agree with you, this makes me feel terribly bad because I am anti-violence, but if I could go back and put a bullet in Hitler, Stalin, Kissinger, etc…I would think about it A LOT!
November 5th, 2006 at 12:07 pmJeffrey Dahmer was interviewed for time Magazine, I think, and he said that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
In most cases, criminals of his caliber were a result of traumatic childhoods. Hitler was a classic case of that. Occasionally they are sociopaths born without a sense of morality. I think there’s one at my school. But I think we can learn from them.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:08 pmas I think most of them are products of their environments.
Comment by unbelievable
You really are a light in the darkness. Thanks for summarizing pretty much my opinion. Great post.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:09 pmDoes he get 11 appeals on death row? Not.
Comment by ForTruth — November 5, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
The CNN article says that he is entitled to one before his execution.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:10 pmI don’t think every life is a wonderful blessing to the world.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 5, 2006 @ 12:08 pm
Well, you know I wouldn’t use the word ‘blessing’ :), but yes, I do value all life. That definitely explains our different perceptions on the matter. Thanks for the honest answer. I know how hard it can be to differ with the general norm, even here…
November 5th, 2006 at 12:15 pmYou really are a light in the darkness. Thanks for summarizing pretty much my opinion. Great post.
Comment by Juan C — November 5, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
We did pretty much say the same thing…
I don’t want to attack Spudge for his opinion. I do understand it. He’s talking about extreme folks who kill for pleasure. It’s hard to argue with that sometimes, as you pointed out, because really, taking government money to pay for them is frustrating. It’s cheaper to send a student ot Harvard Law School than support them in prison for a year… Mostly due to lawyers who are trying to get them ‘better than’ rights. I worked for a firm several years ago that had prison projects. I learned a lot about the waste that is the American penal system…
Personally, I think it’s probably harder to value human life when there are 6.4 billion of them. Not exactly rare and valuable in some regards. I just think that once the life is here, we have a responsiblity to care for it… Which is why I’m for population control pre-baby…
November 5th, 2006 at 12:21 pmThe gas chamber? Are we turning back the hands of time now?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
You know what I meant. I also said Reagan should follow and I know he is dead.
The problem I think we have with your answer is that it is the same kind of thinking of genocides, althought they think we or other people are sociopaths for opposing them.
One question if your family is in danger by a guy, what would be your first reaction? To kill the guy or save your family? (Sometimes is the same, sometimes it is not)
November 5th, 2006 at 12:22 pmThat is one of the reason why I laugh when the trolls try and give us all labels. I just don’t think that it is so cut and dry these days that everybody can be put into two groups.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 5, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
Agreed. They pull out their brush of judgment and sweep us all the exact same shade of blue… Pretty much diminishes their credibility at that point.
Speaking of the trolls, they’ve really been pretty quiet lately…
November 5th, 2006 at 12:26 pmDonald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NDABe8AOuCQ
Why oh why did Reagan once love Saddam Hussein?
Why oh why did Rummy once love Saddam Hussein?
Why oh why did it not matter to so many Republicans that Saddam Hussein murded these Shiites up until now?
November 5th, 2006 at 12:26 pmI think that honesty is the most important triat in the world. I want to be honest with my friends on Think Progress. I know how you guys feel. I can even see it from your point of view. Comment by Spudge_Boy
You are one of my favorites, Spudge, and I admire your convictions.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:26 pmPersonally, I don’t care whether or nor they try and hang Saddam 1000 times. He was a ruthless tyrant (of our making …or promotion, as I recall).
If the death penalty is justified in any case….yes, he probably does deserve to die - not necessarily for this trial but for the next one (Kurd gassing).
The timing and outcome of this verdict is a complete fizzle.
My question is: It is 2 days before the US election. Where is the obligatory tape from BIn Laden or Al Quaida (a.k.a. Bush propaganda machine)? YOu know the message - intended to scare us all into voting for Republicans or the terrorists will kil us.
AND for our side where exactly is the focus on the mastermind involved in 9-11? Where is Bin Laden exaclty - I guess we don’t got him alive; and not dead.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:27 pmWhy oh why did it not matter to so many Republicans that Saddam Hussein murded these Shiites up until now?
Comment by Goodscarrier — November 5, 2006 @ 12:26 pm
With the neocon mentality, it is about whatever is in it for them.
Profits from liking saddam,well then killing Shia is good, and they will rationalize it with “He’s just killing dirty Muslims who hate America”.
More profits from invading and occupying Iraq, then Shia is not good and they will rationalize it with being on a mission from their god to save and liberate them.
As long as there is a payback for them, it’s rationalizable…
November 5th, 2006 at 12:31 pmUnbelievable,
Thanks for the info, I knew someone would assist me in my laziness. One appeal.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:34 pmThe Kangaroo Court passed a sentence. So what? Two days ago I said on TP that the verdict would come down guilty. It is not a surprise to any sentient being.
I hope that Bush and friends will all face an Iraqi Court. That will be true justice!
November 5th, 2006 at 12:48 pmI think that honesty is the most important triat in the world. I want to be honest with my friends on Think Progress. I know how you guys feel. I can even see it from your point of view. We just happen to differ on this one. That is one of the reason why I laugh when the trolls try and give us all labels. I just don’t think that it is so cut and dry these days that everybody can be put into two groups.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
That’s all anyone could ask, right? Well said, Spudge.
November 5th, 2006 at 12:53 pmI am totally against the death penalty. It either applies to everyone or to no one. I choose no one. There are plenty of people who were in jail and on death row, thought to be total sickos, who were totally innocent and exonerated with DNA evidence.
November 5th, 2006 at 1:29 pm“Justice for the Iraqi people was finally served today with the conviction of Saddam Hussein. This dictator ruled by fear, torturing and murdering his own people to satisfy his malicious interests. It’s commendable and important that he was brought to justice in the country where he committed these atrocities against humanity.”
Howard Dea, DNC Chairman
November 5th, 2006 at 2:03 pm“Justice for the Iraqi people was finally served today with the conviction of Saddam Hussein. This dictator ruled by fear, torturing and murdering his own people to satisfy his malicious interests. It’s commendable and important that he was brought to justice in the country where he committed these atrocities against humanity.â€
Howard Dean, DNC Chairman
November 5th, 2006 at 2:04 pmThe “conviction” was a verdict of guilty. Iraq already had the death penalty.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:13 pmThis talk today is an example of liberal thinking - we don’t all agree on everything; we think - therefore we arrive at different conclusions.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:28 pmUnlike the republiscum, who can’t think, but have to await their talking points, memorize them, and configure their thought process around them; then they go out in lockstep and bash everyone who doesn’t agree.
Liberals recognize and appreciate differing opinions - we even mull them over and sometimes change our minds - sometimes, we agree to disagree. That’s why we are better representatives of all people.
#3, Wayne,
The death penalty cuts down the stats on future offenses - guarenteed.
November 5th, 2006 at 2:56 pmThe death penalty cuts down the stats on future offenses - guarenteed.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 5, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
Post your proof, or once again, be branded a ‘maker-upper’ of nonsense…
In fact, I’ll go one step further and point out the fallacy in your ‘logic’
If capital punishment worked, then, there wouldn’t be any murderers left by now Jason. When in fact, we have a growing number of murders each year. Last year over 16,000 Americans alone murdered other Americans. See the conflict… Comprehend?
November 5th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#82, unbee,
Hmmm, thought the assertion was obvious, but let me try again:
When you execute a convict, that convict cannot commit any more crimes.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:16 pm#80 - Marie
F**kin’ A!
November 5th, 2006 at 3:27 pmWhen you execute a convict, that convict cannot commit any more crimes.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 5, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
They can’t commit them from jail either…
But that’s not what you said… And I stiil don’t see any proof for your original comment.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:31 pmBut Jason,
You’re avoiding the other big news of the day - the Rev. Ted admission… How come? Hit a little too close to home?
Come on over… Or are you too afraid?
November 5th, 2006 at 3:35 pm#83 - JMH,
November 5th, 2006 at 3:35 pmWhat if the convict had been found guilty of hiding a fusion weapon somewhere in the United States whose location was still unknown as well was its preprogrammed detonation date and time.
I don’t think asking Mr. Hendler for proof is worth your while. He moved into fantasy land some time ago. As for his conviction that capital punishment, will reduce the total number of murders, I would shoot back with poverty is a leading cause of crime. Why don’t we work on eliminating poverty?
November 5th, 2006 at 3:38 pmI would add drug/alcohol addiction to the list, Krazny.
Why don’t we work on eliminating or treating drug & alcohol addiction?
November 5th, 2006 at 3:49 pmJHM may be right - if everyone were executed, there would be no more murders. You must remember that the first murder occurred when there were but four individuals on Earth.
November 5th, 2006 at 3:57 pmSpudgeBoy,
if your argument for the Death Penalty is based on economics you might want to consider this fact:
http://www.deathpenalty.org/ index.php?pid=cost&menu=1%22
Hendler, while killing one person would prevent that person from killing again, so too would locking him or her up in solitary confinement for the rest of his or her natural life, and it would be a whole lot cheaper for the State, thus saving tax dollars.
On the other hand, when the State kills an innocent person, each member of the State shares in committing murder. And we know, or should know, that the State has indeed executed people later proven innocent.
Should certain people be removed from society? Yes. Do I have the right to take the life of another when it is not a matter of self-defense (or defense of others)? Morally, no, in my opinion.
SpudgeBoy, I commend your honesty. This is what I mean when I post ‘reasonable discourse is always welcome.’
Goodscarrier - I am pleased to see you did not come out attacking people. Your comment in 68 is on point and well received.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:38 pmIt is so funny. US supported for Pol pot, now claim Saddam. Double standard.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:46 pmHey guys NO WORRIES!
The islamic radicalists will be more than happy to wipe out all of us capatalistic b*st*rds. And just because they are on the same party line of the Democrats and are very supportive of the Democrats gaining control of Congress, rest assured that won’t save you. They’ll kill you too, unless of course you prove your alliegance to Allah!
If you want to see the Truth, see below:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA
But just glancing over the posts above….I doubt it will make much difference. You can’t fix stupid.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:18 pm#93 - bb,
November 5th, 2006 at 5:27 pmThat’s why he and Darth should be removed from office. Glad you agree.
You can’t fix stupid.
Comment by bb — November 5, 2006 @ 5:18 pm
We know we can’t fix you, stupid. We know.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:27 pmNovember Surprise?
November 5th, 2006 at 5:30 pmFlash! –
Osama bin Laden was recently been seen leaving Indian Harbor Beach, FL. His driver had dropped off what appears to be a large propane tank. Federal authorities have sealed off the area and will investigate the tank when bin Laden has been apprehended. The search for bin Laden has been confined to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. /satire off.
If most voters were intelligent, then hanging Saddam would be meaningless to vote for Republicans, because he had nothing to do with 9/11/01 attack, but Osama did > so why is he still on the loose
November 5th, 2006 at 5:50 pmand not being hanged? Bush keeps telling us that Osama is not important, but an old dictator in Iraq must be hanged? Come on voters > wake the hell up, because Dubya is trying a switch play here > trying to make you think Saddam is more important than Osama, because Bush boy never intends to capture Osama since he already is dead or he has cut a deal with him!
SpudgeBoy,
November 5th, 2006 at 6:39 pmHave you priced a lobster dinner at a Manhattan restaurant lately? It is approaching the cost of a heart transplant! Prices are going up, I wish earnings would keep pace.
#99 I agree, Conservative Christians are same as Fundamentalist Muslim. They hate all ppl not believe in their GOD.
November 5th, 2006 at 7:21 pmOne more try.
OK great - Saddam was a tyrant and deserves what he gets.
When are we going to bring Bin Laden to justice???!?!?!? When are we going to secure Afghanistan? Isn’t it time that we promoted an economy and infrastructure there that takes the argument out of the Taliban and Al Quaeda’s mouths.
November 5th, 2006 at 8:29 pm“Saddam sentenced to death by hanging.”
Good riddance!
November 5th, 2006 at 8:51 pmIt’s really too bad.
They’re going to kill the one person who knows how to restore and maintain law and order in that tortured excuse for a country. Saddam was ruthless but what Bush hath wrought to those people is despicable and equally inexcusable because it was done for “Mission Accomplished Vanity”.
All King Georges’ horses and all King Georges’ men ain’t going to put this Humpty together again.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:18 pmOn death penalty. I don’t think it is a deterrent for most crimes of murder but, would be effective for breaking the speed limit. I am against it because to support it you must be willing to personally carry it out and if the prescribed method was stabbing to death I could not do it. I respect all the good TP posters.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:19 pmBriseadh na Faire: Goodscarrier - I am pleased to see you did not come out attacking people. Your comment in 68 is on point and well received.
You are pleased?
I do not give a shit whether you are pleased, displeased, etc.
November 5th, 2006 at 9:44 pmThere was no “justice” here. The court was stacked with the biased judge. The decision by the Court is pejudicial.
In other words this time it is Saddam next time it could be you…..
The Jews know this from the Nazis. The Blacks know this from slavery. The Japanese Americans know this from WWII. The Latino Americans know it from today in the USA. The Irish, Poles, Chinese, Russians, Italian immigrants have known this in the USA.
It has taken me many attempts to write this next couple of sentences simply because of the prejudice embedded in the English language. The language used in merely naming People who were living on what is now called “North and South America,” prior to Europeans settling on that same land, and the decendants of those People, is prejudicial against these People. The prejudice is so deep that I have a hard time to find words that are not embedded in the deep prejudices that present day Americans holds onto so firmly to refer to these People. You know which People I mean.
“Prejudicial justice” is an oxymoron. America flaunts its law based democracy to all humanity. But if the laws, no matter how good, are administered prejucially then the laws themselves are a farce. Yesterday it was Saddam, tomorrow it will be you who is victim of todays American gestapo and its genuflecting pliant judges.
It also flaunts its market based “morality.”
November 5th, 2006 at 9:49 pm#107 sorry off topic
“It also flaunts its market based “morality.—
That was not meant to be part of that post.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:00 pmI do not give a shit whether you are pleased, displeased, etc.
Comment by Goodscarrier
Wow. How rude…
November 5th, 2006 at 10:11 pmThis is just great.
Saddam is tried and convicted not of possessing WMD’s and preparing to attack the United States or sell weapons to other countries (and/or terrorists), but of what?
Crimes against humanity.
That would make us the “policemen of the world” for capturing him.
Yet Bush told us as a candidate in 2000 that this was exactly what the U.S. shouldn’t be.
Liar.
November 6th, 2006 at 11:39 amIt is remarkable that Saddam has been sentenced for a crime he committed in 1982, at a time when the USA was more than eager to provide support to Saddam Hussein’s regime and was complicit in some of his crimes. As usual, this fact has not even been mentioned by our amnesiac media. Donald Rumsfeld, the incarnation of this administration’s moral bankruptcy, went to Baghdad shaking hands with Saddam, on December 20, 1983 (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/).
At that time, Rumsfeld knew that Saddam was a dangerous dictator (contrary to 2003, when he wasn’t dangerous any more). He knew about the 1982 massacre that has now been recognized as a “crime against humanity”. Donald Rumsfeld knew that Saddam had ordered the use of chemical weapons against Iran in breach of the Geneva conventions (contrary to 2003, when Rumsfeld knew exactly that there were no chemical weapons). And he went to Baghdad in 1983, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, offering him the support of the United States. That’s the story that will be told in the history book.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:59 amRetire In Israel
Thanks for this post!
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