ThinkFast: November 7, 2006
ThinkFast: November 7, 2006
[Watch John Podesta's take on the elections on MSNBC at 10:08 AM]
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The Washington Post reports on the “heavy volume of automated political phone calls” that has “infuriated countless voters and triggered sharp complaints.” Conservative groups have “crafted the messages to delude voters — especially those who hang up quickly — into thinking that Democrats placed the calls.”
News Corp. chief Rupert Murdoch yesterday called the 2,832 U.S. troop deaths in Iraq “minute” from a historical perspective.
A UN-sponsored audit of Halliburton subsidiary KBR found the company “charged the Iraqi government as much as $25,000 per month for each of as many as 1,800 fuel trucks that were to deliver gasoline to Iraq after the 2003 invasion, but the trucks often spent days or weeks sitting idle on the border.”
At the U.N. treaty conference on climate change, chief U.S. climate negotiator Harlan Watson defended the Bush administration’s stand against compulsory caps on global-warming emissions and said the policy is unlikely to change. Watson claimed the U.S. is doing better at voluntarily restraining the growth of such gases than some countries that are committed to reductions under the Kyoto Protocol.
Missouri’s chief elections official said Monday she was asked three times to show photo ID at the voting booth, despite a court ruling striking down the requirement. When the official tried to explain that ID was not necessary, “the election worker replied that she was instructed to ask for one anyway.”
“Iraq’s Interior Ministry has charged 57 employees, including high-ranking officers, with human rights crimes for their roles in the torture of hundreds of detainees.”
Extra secrecy measures are being taken to plug the leak of exit poll data to “ravenous political bloggers.” This year, media executives figure the secret will keep for less than half an hour. “Based on past experience, I expect that I’ll have exit-poll data soon after it’s released from multiple sources,” Taegan Goddard of Political Wire said. Hotline OnCall’s editors have vowed not to post any exiting-polling data.
And finally: A real newsman joins a fake newsman tonight on The Daily Show. “Dan Rather will be a guest on Comedy Central’s election night special coverage. For the event, ‘The Daily Show’ and ‘The Colbert Report’ will be joining forces at 8 p.m. E.T. for its ‘Midterm Midtacular.’ Rather “will give his analysis in an interview with ‘Daily Show’ host Jon Stewart.”
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I just read a great article on this at: ToTheCenter.com
November 7th, 2006 at 9:12 amA real newsman joins a fake newsman tonight on The Daily Show. “Dan Rather will be a guest on Comedy Central’s election night special coverage.
So I’m assuming Dan is the fake one?
Also, the find your polling location was horribly wrong for me, by about 2 towns. Trying to supress the vote TP? :)
November 7th, 2006 at 9:14 amI voted already and was exited polled. It’s nobody’s business who I voted for — so I lied to the poller.
November 7th, 2006 at 9:15 amWas it Stalin who said “A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.”?
Rupert is in Fine Company…
November 7th, 2006 at 9:15 amIraqi deaths are “minute.” Is that something like a “comma?”
November 7th, 2006 at 9:16 amI wonder what Rupert calls the 10’s of thousands of Iraqis’ that have died? Inconsequential? How about the number of people who died at the world trade center? ……..”somewhat minute”????
November 7th, 2006 at 9:16 amthis is the frrst time ive ever seen a line @ my polling place in harlem!
November 7th, 2006 at 9:17 amim excited!
I Just pressed a bunch of buttons on a little machine today too!
November 7th, 2006 at 9:22 amYay! Freedom!
What? Some Iraqis have died in our benign incursion into their lands? I thought they were all out buying flowers and boxes of candy to throw at their liberators.
November 7th, 2006 at 9:26 amI voted at 7:00 this morning. Tonight, I will be celebrating a strong Democratic victory as we take back the country from the corrupt, immoral Republican leadership. Everything points to a strong win for Democrats as we wrest control from those who would sell their souls for another dime. We have a full day ahead, so I urge everyone to get out and vote and encourage your friends and neighbors to do the same.
Tonight we will have much to celebrate. As far as Exley, Happy Guy and other trolls: you guys can suck it. Reality and the numbers are against you. Time to start dreaming up excuses, or claiming that control of Congress is not really a “victory.”
November 7th, 2006 at 9:26 amif, Historically 3000 American troops dying is ‘minute’ then 3000 Americans dying on 9/11, Historically, he must also think three thousand Americans perishing on 9/11 is ‘minute’. I mean, Historically, many more people die from heart disease, cancer, or car crashes, Historically speaking.
And if this putz, Murdoch, thinks that 3000 people, are minute why are we at War? I mean, if Rupert doesn’t care about that why worry about those that died on 9/11?
Yet Rupert is an Empire builder, he is required, by greed and materialism, to be a Hypocrite on subjects such as life to rationalize his monarchial wants. Rupert of course, sees his life as very valuable, because he considers himself an object, an object thats tied to wealth, and his life is valuable, due to $$$ and nothing else, and yours, my friend, is not.
November 7th, 2006 at 9:29 amLooks like even conservative prediction websites are running scared!
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2006.html#senate
He’s predicting that the GOP loses 24 House seats, 7 Governorships, and 6 Senate seats.
Now, I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of spinning of the news in order to keep the GOP from accepting blame for their loses. In fact, I predict that no conservative will blame the Republicans for their failures.
Of course, all polls and predictions are based on guesses. the only thing that counts is the final vote. Speaker Pelosi will save us from Republican excesses!
November 7th, 2006 at 9:29 amI have just completed the voting process this morning. What a glorious day in Jesus. I know that genuine morals will remain in our government tomorrow night (thank God).
November 7th, 2006 at 9:31 amAww, I can just see tears of pride welling up in Mighty Aphrodites eyes as she ganders lovingly at her little chimperor.
November 7th, 2006 at 9:32 amAt the end of only 1 year, a truck that may have sold for $200,000 was rented at a cost of $300,000. That’s a $100,000 overpayment, for those who can’t do the math.
Multiply that by 1,800 and KNBR shelled out $1,800,000,000 too much for trucks rented instead of purchased via a no-bid contract awarded before the conflict even began.
Not to worry, to combat this kind of rip-off of funds, the Republican Congress voted to shut down…the auditors!
November 7th, 2006 at 9:37 am#13 – “I know that genuine morals will remain in our government tomorrow night (thank God).”
I agree! Once the immoral Republicans are voted out, the moral Democrats will return! (Thank God!)
November 7th, 2006 at 9:43 amOh my, I bet Exleys chest is just bowed up and bursting with pride, GOP pride that is, after that fiscally great news!
Thank you BNF!
November 7th, 2006 at 9:43 amYah, all those Foleys and Cunninghams you don’t know about will remain, thank God!
November 7th, 2006 at 9:45 am#4
S.D.,
It was Stalin who also said, ‘It’s Not the People Who Vote that Count; It’s the People Who Count the Votes’
November 7th, 2006 at 9:45 amHey Daryll did you also thank God for the great moral news about corruption run amok in this world?
I know your not corrupt Daryll, okay I cant back that up, but anyway just because I say I’m a Christian doesn’t mean that I really am. See this is a big corrupt world, notably politicians, and well, I wouldn’t put my religious faith in them, much less any other faith for that matter.
And yes, I am a Christian Daryll but I would no more put my religious faith on a Democrat as I would a Republican.
Separation Of Church and Asshat one might say. =)
November 7th, 2006 at 9:51 amNovember 7th, 2006 may well go down as an historic day in the USA.
November 7th, 2006 at 9:52 amLet’s all enjoy the TV viewing this evening, & raise a glass of cheer as
we watch the laziest, most corrupt elected officials scurry for to cover the fat asses behind it all.
Give the Chimp & Turd Blossom a hearty laugh & pray Cheney doesn’t shoot anyone in South Dakota.
America, we’ve got a lot of work to do yet, but seeing these pricks voted out of office is worth it.
WELCOME BACK, AMERICA, we missed you!
I know that genuine morals will remain in our government tomorrow night (thank God).
November 7th, 2006 at 10:00 amDaryll, yes, praise Crom, the gloomy god of Cimmeria!
the Dems take over congress in 06, and the republicans run
Gannon/Guckert in 08!
It’s a real shame that the UN has to audit Halliburton.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:01 amAfter January, our government will take over that function.
I voted this morning. It felt good. I was disturbed by how empty the polling place was, though.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:01 amMissouri’s chief elections official said Monday she was asked three times to show photo ID at the voting booth, despite a court ruling striking down the requirement. When the official tried to explain that ID was not necessary, “the election worker replied that she was instructed to ask for one anyway.â€
Isn’t it kind of early for something this smelly?
November 7th, 2006 at 10:05 amIt’s a real shame that the UN has to audit Halliburton.
After January, our government will take over that function.
Comment by RUCerious
I know this is a big day for you, but do you really think that? Corporativism rules in US, sadly.
About the big day, people organize yourself. Make teams to know and watch how the elections are going, ask supervisors to check the number again, record every suspect movement, etc. Nobody can mess with organized people.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:08 amFor Truth – We all know to what lengths the neoconnies will go to prevent the American people from reclaiming their government. Voters need to report this shit and the media needs to publicize it. I would have demanded that the poll worker disclose the name of the supervisor who gave that direction and have the channel 7 news at their place of work in 20 minutes.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:10 amIsn’t it kind of early for something this smelly?
Comment by ForTruth
Also From the Article
“She said that a worker at the St. Louis Election Board asked her three times to show photo ID when she went to cast an absentee ballot Friday.”
So it happened a few days ago not already this morning, which still dosn’t make it right, but just to clarify.
Also, if she’s voting in person, is it really an absentee ballot? You would think they’d have a better name for it.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:11 amThe live Midterm Midtacular actually starts at 11pm ET. 8 and 8:30 are the reruns from last night’s shows.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:11 amYep, compared to the deaths in Iraq, the death of Rupert Murdoch would be “minute.”
November 7th, 2006 at 10:11 am#27
We all know to what lengths the neoconnies will go to prevent the American people from reclaiming their government.
Actually, requiring an ID would help the American People reclaim their gov’t, it would help stop the dead and otherwise illegal voters from casting their votes.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:17 amThere is one thing neither side will be able to say if victorius:
We won because more of us came out to vote than them.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:17 am“Iraq’s Interior Ministry has charged 57 employees, including high-ranking officers, with human rights crimes for their roles in the torture of hundreds of detainees.â€
November 7th, 2006 at 10:18 amWas Darth Cheney on the list?
It’s a real shame that the UN has to audit Halliburton.
After January, our government will take over that function.
Comment by RUCerious
And after twelve years of republican atrophy and nepotism, we’ll have to clean the cronies out of all the investigative bodies. I look for the CBO to start kicking ass again, after the corporatists have cleared out and gone to K street.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:19 amThanks Squishy.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:22 amI know that genuine morals will remain in our government tomorrow night (thank God).
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, define ‘genuine morals’ for us will you? We’ve got a congress that won’t investigate anything the administration does let alone thier own members – and still the number of scandals that have found thier way to the light of day have made this congress one of, if not the most corrupt congress in our history and cover the spectrum of criminality. We can only wonder what the true extent of the corruption is. So maybe you’ll understand my confusion at your statement that ‘genuine morals will remain in our government’. Perhaps I’m just unfamiliar with the gop’s re-definition of the word ‘morals’.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:22 amActually, requiring an ID would help the American People reclaim their gov’t, it would help stop the dead and otherwise illegal voters from casting their votes.
Comment by squegeeboo
Please post links supporting this assertion. They should be from within the last twenty years.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:23 amTo be specific,”[. . .] the dead and otherwise illegal voters [. . .].”
November 7th, 2006 at 10:24 amForTruth, even though the rule was shot down, it needs to be enforced for voting integrity purposes. We must ensure that illegal aliens aren’t able to vote, they aren’t American citizens.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:29 ambarfly
Please post links supporting this assertion. They should be from within the last twenty years.
Just google voting in Chicago, that’ll give you a few.
Daryll
November 7th, 2006 at 10:36 ameven though the rule was shot down, it needs to be enforced for voting integrity purposes. We must ensure that illegal aliens aren’t able to vote, they aren’t American citizens.
Actually, beacuse it was shot down, it means it shouldn’t be enforced, as much as I’m for voter ID’s of some sort, I’m even more against doing something that is blatently illegal during an election (Except for voting early and often, gonna vote for the 3rd time in just a bit :)
Ok, Daryll, the rule was shot down, but needs to be enforced anyway. Heh.
If illegal aliens tended to vote Republican we wouldn’t hear a peep about this ID crap.
November 7th, 2006 at 10:54 amJust google voting in Chicago, that’ll give you a few.
Nope. No luck there. Try again?
November 7th, 2006 at 10:55 amDaryll and Squeegeroo,
November 7th, 2006 at 10:57 amI’m all for making sure only those who are eligible get registered, and enforcing that at the polls, but without disenfranchising the elderly, poor or otherwise disadvantaged.
Get election protection
Would it involve propholaxis?
November 7th, 2006 at 11:02 amIf there are questions about someone’s voting status, it should be resolved in the registration process, not when they get to the polls. This just another low-ball, republican stunt to suppres democratic turnout.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:03 amBarfly,
Here’s one of several from googling ‘dead vote chicago’
“We are seeing an occasional deceased voter that has voted,†he said.
Days after his wife of four decades died of liver cancer, Robert Holmgren came home to find her absentee ballot.
And here’s one from googling ‘voter dead’ occured in Seattle, and they even voted Republican!
Not to mention all of the other articles that link to the thousands of people per state that are still on the rolls after being deceased, each one of them is a potential fraudulent vote.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:25 amJust checked out the intrade quotes on the senate races:
TN – Rep 86.0 ; Dem 14.7
But
RI – Dem 66 ; Rep 31
MD – Dem 73 ; Rep 30
VA – Dem 78 ; Rep 40
MT – Dem 75 ; Rep 30
MO – Dem 60 ; Rep 38
If the trading market is correct (and they have been the best prognosticator) the Senate goes
Dem 51 – Rep 49
Bring it on!
November 7th, 2006 at 11:29 amGeez Louise…
Illegals have never voted…EVER!
You need to be registered to vote!
Illegal immigrants voting is a non issue.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:33 amNEXT
Great, everyone wants Illegals to vote. Poll officials need to use more verification than checking the Voter Registration card alone. Illegals don’t deserve to vote. They’re not citizens, and they’ve broken the law, but I guess dems want to illegally use them to to their advantage. I was in line at a Fairfax, VA voting poll, and I believe there were a few (illegal aliens) because they couldn’t understand or read english. I should’ve contacted my nearest INS office.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:36 amRUCerious
I’m all for making sure only those who are eligible get registered, and enforcing that at the polls, but without disenfranchising the elderly, poor or otherwise disadvantaged.
Wasn’t it Georgia that was going to give the cards for free, or reimburse for them, if you could show you couldn’t afford them? That would seem to deal with the disenfranchising decently enough.
Also, please, please, please tell me ‘prognosticator’ is a real word.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:40 amDaryll, why didn’t you say a prayer to Jeebus to strike them dead with lightning, you idiot!
November 7th, 2006 at 11:41 amAmerican losses on 9/11 were minute.
Right, Rupie?
November 7th, 2006 at 11:42 amAhh, the great ‘red herring’ about Democrats wanting illegals to vote. It’s just not true! I guess the Republican spin machine is in overdrive if people continue to fall for that line!
Well, the Republicans are at it again! Since they are down in the polls, they’ve ratcheted up their “suppress the vote” program and have been going out of their way to lie to people about where they’re supposed to vote.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15603344?GT1=8717
Wouldn’t it be great if the Republicans would just admit they don’t want people to vote rather than trying to slander the Democratic party with lies about illegals voting?
November 7th, 2006 at 11:45 amComment by Daryll — November 7, 2006 @ 11:36 am
Great, everyone wants Illegals to vote.
Who said that, Daryll? Right, no one said it. So why do you feel the need to put words in other people’s mouths? Because you can’t argue your points, perhaps?
November 7th, 2006 at 11:50 amWouldn’t it be great if the Republicans would just admit they don’t want people to vote rather than trying to slander the Democratic party with lies about illegals voting?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — November 7, 2006 @ 11:45 am
In an ideal world, yes. But in an ideal world, we wouldn’t have robotic Republican defenders and enablers like the semi-conscious Daryll.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:52 amDaryll, When is speaking english criteria for being a legal voter? And Fairfax VA isn’t a low income area so the likelyhood of what you saw and what you believe are 2 different things.
Also are you that conerned about legalities? Then maybe you should be disgusted with your own party who have been making calls to registered Democrats in your state and saying if you come to the polls you will be criminally charged.
November 7th, 2006 at 11:55 amDefinitions of Prognosticator on the Web:
The calculator wheel developed and marketed by the Purple Martin Conservation Association used to predict hatching and fledging dates, and to determine nestling ages and breeding success. As the name implies, it is a device for telling the future (ie, prognosticate). It also has the root name Progne in it, as in Progne subis, the Latin name of the Purple Martin.
http://www.purplemartin.org/main/Terminology.html
An observation useful in predicting outcome
glenlivet.mph.ed.ac.uk/endo/private/glossary.htm
Someone who foretell’s the future from signs or symptoms.
http://www.godonthe.net/dictionary/p.html
forecaster: someone who makes predictions of the future (usually on the basis of special knowledge)
November 7th, 2006 at 11:57 amwordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Try again, squegeeboo.
Georgia had the right idea, just no way to actually distribute or disseminate the cards.
#53 Democrat Soldier
Wouldn’t it be great if the Republicans would just admit they don’t want people to vote
Some platforms just arn’t viable so you have to keep them hidden, just like the democractic position of “Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others!”
November 7th, 2006 at 11:58 amI voted at 7:00 this morning. Tonight, I will be celebrating a strong Democratic victory as we take back the country from the corrupt, immoral Republican leadership.
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid — November 7, 2006
And give it to a much less corrupt and only slightly immoral Democratic Leadership. I would have though only a few times on the merry-go-round would be sufficient for you to get sick of it. I know I am. No Democrat or Republican ever again. Just say “No.”
November 7th, 2006 at 12:00 pmsquegeeboo,
So, you are saying that we should check the dead person’s ID before they vote? Or are you saying that we should deport the dead people?
Why do dead people hate America?
November 7th, 2006 at 12:01 pm#57
Georgia had the right idea, just no way to actually distribute or disseminate the cards.
Suddenly the USPS dosn’t exist in Georgia?
November 7th, 2006 at 12:03 pmThe only somewhat legitimate complaint I had heard was for people who would have a hard time getting to a DMV (or wherever it was they registered for one), to register for the card, but in that case, they’re going to have a hard time getting to the polling station also, and will end up doing an absentee ballot anyways.
Also are you that conerned about legalities? Then maybe you should be disgusted with your own party who have been making calls to registered Democrats in your state and saying if you come to the polls you will be criminally charged.
Comment by hellinabucket — November 7, 2006 @ 11:55 am
Daryll isn’t concerned about legalities. He is in thrall to the Republican party. Being a hypocrite absolves him of all responsibility.
November 7th, 2006 at 12:04 pm#58 – Oh, I see!
Sort of like Republican idea of welfare for people: No! Welfare for corporations: Heck, yeah! Can’t be too much Corporate welfare in the R party!
It’s always easier to give into prejudiced visions on how the “other party” looks at things than it is to realize their perspectives have some valid basis.
Then again, you’ve generally played devil’s advocate here on TP. ;-)
November 7th, 2006 at 12:08 pmAnd all that does is split the Democratic vote insuring a Republican victory.
Vote Independant for a Republican win!
Not!
November 7th, 2006 at 12:08 pmSo, you are saying that we should check the dead person’s ID before they vote? Or are you saying that we should deport the dead people?
I say deport them all to Canada, maybe the socialized health care up there can help them out.
But what I’m really saying is that by asking for an ID card at the polling station, some one who is claiming to be a dead person will have a much harder time being able to vote. Also, by requiring an ID card, it will help clean up the registration process, by making it harder to become registered if you shouldn’t be able to register, such as for non-citzens.
Why do dead people hate America?
November 7th, 2006 at 12:14 pmI blame Clinton.
squegeeboo,
I don’t see a problem with a Voter ID card as long as two criteria are met.
1. It has to be free or you are screwing poor people.
2. It has to be very simple to get. So people that use public transportation and inner city folks can get them.
November 7th, 2006 at 12:25 pmNational ID cards are wrong, I don’t care if you call them Voter registration cards or not.
November 7th, 2006 at 12:33 pmsquegeeboo,
I don’t see a problem with a Voter ID card as long as two criteria are met.
1. It has to be free or you are screwing poor people.
2. It has to be very simple to get. So people that use public transportation and inner city folks can get them.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — November 7, 2006 @ 12:25 pm
Which means neither the Reps or the Dems are going to go for it. The Reps don’t want to give anything away for free and the Dems can’t make anything simple.
November 7th, 2006 at 12:37 pmWhich means neither the Reps or the Dems are going to go for it. The Reps don’t want to give anything away for free and the Dems can’t make anything simple.
Comment by Swordsbane — November 7, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
ROFL!
November 7th, 2006 at 12:42 pmDemocrat Soldier
It’s always easier to give into prejudiced visions on how the “other party†looks at things than it is to realize their perspectives have some valid basis.
Easier for the mind, and for the political smear, its a win-win really, you’ve got to love politics for the gaming that happens.
Then again, you’ve generally played devil’s advocate here on TP. ;-)
How dare you accuse me of un-christian behavor! but yah, I became bitter and disillusioned rather quickly when it comes to politics.
Spudgeboy
I don’t see a problem with a Voter ID card as long as two criteria are met.
1. It has to be free or you are screwing poor people.
2. It has to be very simple to get. So people that use public transportation and inner city folks can get them.
November 7th, 2006 at 12:52 pmSounds good to me, but I think regardless of how you implement it, a small amount of dis-enfrachising will occur, at least for the first election or two.
but I think
Comment by squegeeboo — November 7, 2006 @ 12:52 pm
That’s like milking a hamster because you need butter.
November 7th, 2006 at 1:01 pmYou know the entire world is watching the United States today, so they see confusion, stupidity, and GOP vote fraud! Why should any nation want anything to do with the US, since we are unable to have honest elections?
November 7th, 2006 at 1:12 pmGreat grandma Spudge used to say that it is messy making a pie, but once it’s done.
November 7th, 2006 at 1:33 pmYou know the entire world is watching the United States today, so they see confusion, stupidity, and GOP vote fraud! Why should any nation want anything to do with the US, since we are unable to have honest elections?
Comment by Jay Randal — November 7, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
Are you kidding? That’s like saying “What’s a burglar going to want with a house where the back door is always open?” They love us for our money. If they can control it (auto industry, electronics, science education, etc) why I think they would love to be “friends” with us.
November 7th, 2006 at 1:38 pmNo, like you trying to make me into a Republican when I hate both parties.
Comment by Swordsbane — November 7, 2006 @ 1:33 pm
Yeah, he’s one of those that can’t see the grey areas. You are either a Progressive Democrat or a Republican, there is nothing else. He has a hard time realizing there is a whole world of opinions out there. Regardless of what you say or do in a week it will be forgotten and you will be a ReThug again. It really is alot easier to group people than treat them as individuals who have their own thoughts.
November 7th, 2006 at 1:42 pmHe has a hard time realizing there is a whole world of opinions out there. Regardless of what you say or do in a week it will be forgotten and you will be a ReThug again. It really is alot easier to group people than treat them as individuals who have their own thoughts.
Comment by Tundra — November 7, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
It’s that kind of thinking, more than any other single thing that has made me swear off Reps and Dems. It’s us vs them, all the time. Occassionally when one side or the other has a good idea, they can’t cross party lines because someone from the”other” party came up with it, so it must be evil, or they go with it and try to make everyone believe it was THEIR idea and end up forgetting what the origonal idea was in the first place Maybe in another life when they’ve stopped worrying about defeating their opponents and started worrying about doing the right thing, I’ll change my mind. Until then…..
November 7th, 2006 at 1:48 pmSpudgeBoy
Great grandma Spudge used to say that it is messy making a pie, but once it’s done.
That you eat it? Why would you want to eat the dis-enfranchised? But in all seriousness, it can’t happen because it is messy for a little bit, same as any major changes to taxes or SS that have been proposed, the berries and flour get everywhere, and its to tempting of a target for the other party to attack for cheap political game.
November 7th, 2006 at 1:56 pmSqueegeeboo;
Did you actually take the time to read the sites you provided? One lists an anonymous article, and the other link to an article about an elderly man who voted for his dead wife using her mail-in ballot – but this wouldn’t be a case where having an ID would do anything to stop the “dead” from voting.
November 7th, 2006 at 1:59 pmOne lists an anonymous article
I found several that point to now defunct/missing articles, I figured it was just more of the Dem. conspiracy to hide all record of it so they could keep on claiming it dosn’t happen.
the other link to an article about an elderly man who voted for his dead wife using her mail-in ballot – but this wouldn’t be a case where having an ID would do anything to stop the “dead†from voting.
And then goes on to mention other cases in the area with out specifing if they were absentee or not.
But heres anouther article for you
November 7th, 2006 at 2:12 pmThe Journal identified dead people on the voter rolls in all 62 counties and people in as many as 45 counties who had votes recorded after they had died.
I can’t think of a whole lot of areas were adding a national ID (Sorry Voter ID) card would really help.
How long would it last? If less than a license it sure is a pain every year to update it just to vote. If longer, ok so now we have all of these cards out there from people that have passed away in the last 3 years etc. Move: Surrender your card to get an updated one, those that “Forgot or lost” Their card can’t vote? Or they end up with 2 of them one for each district.
November 7th, 2006 at 2:18 pmGreat grandma Spudge used to say that it is messy making a pie, but once it’s done.
You realize the aligator in Woody Woodpecker use to say it too, of course he never got to eat the Woodpecker Pie
Kept trying though :)
November 7th, 2006 at 2:20 pmI Just Voted (of course it Idaho but it will still make a difference)
DID YOU VOTE YET
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR
November 7th, 2006 at 2:45 pm“Iraq’s Interior Ministry has charged 57 employees, including high-ranking officers, with human rights crimes for their roles in the torture of hundreds of detainees.â€
This might be good news. The fact that such cases are being prosecuted shows at least some recognition of both the wrongness of such acts, and the need for action to be taken towards stopping them. Whether or not anything effective is actually being done to deter such things, and whether this represents and improvement or a worsening from recent months or years, though, I don’t know. Perhaps someone else can enlighten me?
By the way, I find that the way this forum is setup to be a bit disconcerting. Having the most recent posts on top makes it harder (ie takes longer than necessary) to peruse. I’d rather see comments in chronological order. That way, temporal context is clear, and threads easier to follow. Either that, or more explicit threading would be nice.
November 7th, 2006 at 2:51 pmI can’t believe my last post on threading. I’m brain-dead; sorry! The posts are clearly presented chronologically, as I would have seen if I’d bothered to scroll upwards. Damn, embarassed myself again! ;-)
November 7th, 2006 at 2:53 pmAm I banned?
November 7th, 2006 at 3:31 pm#83 – from the article you cited:
So, your point is???
From what I’ve read, the greatest source of dead people voting is where someone casts and absentee ballot, then dies before election day.
November 7th, 2006 at 3:34 pmIf illegals tended to vote Repuke, the ID thing would never have come up.
November 7th, 2006 at 3:34 pmAm I banned?
Comment by RUCerious
I can still see some of your comments, some times TP screws up with its filter.
#91 Briseadh na Faire
So, your point is???
From what I’ve read, the greatest source of dead people voting is where someone casts and absentee ballot, then dies before election day.
November 7th, 2006 at 3:55 pmThat, or family members sending in the absentee ballot that the deceased had recieved, but I feel that illegals, and people claiming to be dead people voting at precincts is a very real problem, but that with out ID’s or an equivalant form of authentication, it much harder to prove.
#91 Briseadh na Faire
So, your point is???
From what I’ve read, the greatest source of dead people voting is where someone casts and absentee ballot, then dies before election day.
November 7th, 2006 at 3:56 pmThat, or family members sending in the absentee ballot that the deceased had recieved, but I feel that illegals, and people claiming to be dead people voting at precincts is a very real problem, but that with out ID’s or an equivalant form of authentication, it much harder to prove.
But heres anouther article for you
The Journal identified dead people on the voter rolls in all 62 counties and people in as many as 45 counties who had votes recorded after they had died.
Comment by squegeeboo
And from the same article:
“The numbers do not indicate how much fraud is the result of dead voters in New York, only the potential for it. Typically, records of votes by the dead are the result of bookkeeping errors and do not result in the casting of extra ballots. The Journal did not find any fraud in the local matches it investigated. ”
This was supposed to prove your point?
One possibility you overlooked: Perhaps the person died having already filled out the ballot, and someone thought they were fulfilling the dead person’s last wishes, as it were.
November 7th, 2006 at 4:18 pmsomeone thought they were fulfilling the dead person’s last wishes, as it were.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, or in other words, it dosn’t matter if it’s the dead person’s last wishes, it’s still illegal.
But yah, it looks like I don’t have much of a leg to stand on in regards to the dead people issue, if its mostly a mail-in ballet concern, and even then not much of one.
November 7th, 2006 at 4:33 pmAlright everyone, I’m out to go do my civic duty, and pull the GOP lever, even though I claim to be a libertarian, have a fun election night, I like to think of it as christmas, but unfortunately, I think I’m getting coal this year.
November 7th, 2006 at 4:38 pm#96 – “But yah, it looks like I don’t have much of a leg to stand on in regards to the dead people issue…”
Squegeeboo, that’s what makes you different from the anti-Progs: you can admit when you make a mistake.
I hate to do it, but when I’m wrong, I say “Oops! Made a mistake!” (Well, usually. ;-)
But to hear the average regressives that post on TP, they are never wrong! Ever!
November 7th, 2006 at 4:42 pmSquegeeboo, that’s what makes you different from the anti-Progs: you can admit when you make a mistake.
Yah, but only at the end of the day, until then I’ll claim I’m right out of pure spite!! Anyways, now I’m seriously out, I’ll check back later from my drunken angry stupor at the bar when I realize we truly did loose the house.
November 7th, 2006 at 4:44 pm