Bush calls Rumsfeld’s replacement
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Change BAD!
November 11th, 2006 at 8:31 pmGee, I wonder where Brush got an idea like that?
(Note: The article linked has been out for a couple of weeks, as a reader at FDL pointed out Wednesday.)
November 11th, 2006 at 8:53 pmRumsfield was doing such a “SPLENDID” job just days before the election.
November 11th, 2006 at 9:09 pmBush is flip flopping like a fish in it’s last throes, if you will.
November 11th, 2006 at 9:14 pmI didn’t know Satan had changed his name to ‘change’.
November 11th, 2006 at 9:49 pmbush is correct but not on purpose. gates is an ‘agent for change’: the change is from the brown shirts to black shirts, from defense department special ops to cia covert ops. from potential for oversight of the military to the certainty of no oversight for cia activities. it is a change from a military strategy to a negroponte strategy that he used in nicaragua and vietnam. it is a change from soldiers torturing and murdering, to hooded anonymous murderers, one day pretending to be shia and the next sunni. it is a change from the massacre of fallujah to the cia ops blowing up the sammara mosque….
November 11th, 2006 at 10:03 pmAccording to a senior diplomatic source, “Baker is trying to walk away from the idealist, neoconservative approach to democracy . . . We say democracy is what the people of a country understand it to be.†(Source: New man at the Pentagon puts his hand on Baghdad exit door)
If democracy is what the majority of Iraqis understand it to be then what we have in Iraq is a Shiite Fundamentalist Democracy which sure is hell not a proper response to the horrific attacks of 9/11.
Here’s an oldie but a goodie…….
Iraq: Bush’s Islamic Republic
By Peter W. Galbraith
NYR Books
[snip]
When President Bush spoke to the nation on June 28, he did not mention Iran’s rising influence with the Shiite-led government in Baghdad. He did not point out that the two leading parties in the Shiite coalition are pursuing an Islamic state in which the rights of women and religious minorities will be sharply curtailed, and that this kind of regime is already being put into place in parts of Iraq controlled by these parties. Nor did he say anything about the almost unanimous desire of Kurdistan’s people for their own independent state.
[snip]
Real power in Shiite Iraq rests, however, with two religious parties: Abdel Aziz al-Hakim’s Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and the Dawa (”Call,” in English) of Iraq’s Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari. Of the two, SCIRI is the more pro-Iranian. Both parties have military wings, and SCIRI’s Badr Corps has grown significantly from the five thousand fighters that harassed Saddam’s regime from Iran in the decades before the war; it now works closely with Iraq’s Shiite interior minister, until recently the corps’ commander, to provide security and fight Sunni Arab insurgents.
SCIRI and Dawa want Iraq to be an Islamic state. They propose to make Islam the principal source of law, which most immediately would affect the status of women. For Muslim women, religious law—rather than Iraq’s relatively progressive civil code—would govern personal status, including matters relating to marriage, divorce, property, and child custody. A Dawa draft for the Iraqi constitution would limit religious freedom for non-Muslims, and apparently deny such freedom altogether to peoples not “of the book,” such as the Yezidis (a significant minority in Kurdistan), Zoroastrians, and Bahais.
This program is not just theoretical. Since Saddam’s fall, Shiite religious parties have had de facto control over Iraq’s southern cities. There Iranian-style religious police enforce a conservative Islamic code, including dress codes and bans on alcohol and other non-Islamic behavior. In most cases, the religious authorities govern—and legislate—without authority from Baghdad, and certainly without any reference to the freedoms incorporated in Iraq’s American-written interim constitution—the Transitional Administrative Law (TAL).
November 11th, 2006 at 10:11 pm#6, james risser
Just about all you enlisted has already been going on with Sect Rumsfeld.
November 11th, 2006 at 10:19 pmSo the Bush Ideologues accomplished basically nothing..great.
November 11th, 2006 at 10:31 pm#6 james risser
November 11th, 2006 at 10:35 pmWhat you say is what I am afraid of with Gates. I hope we’re wrong, but skepticism is very high.
Many alumni from the Iran Contra affair have resurfaced somewhere in this administration, and one of them (North) has his own show on Fox.
Gates should be carefully watched, as I am sure he will be approved.
i can deconstruct the paragraph for you, if you would like. but, essentially, the difference is one of tone and oversight. negroponte has already added his special touch of underhanded murder and civil unrest for which he is famous…samarra and the hooded death squads being classic moves.
however, with gates–a cia black shirt–replacing rumsfeld, the ability of a democratic to perform oversight over the military will be ‘clouded’ by gates’ and negroponte’s ability to use covert activities–which are not within the purview of overisght–as opposed to a rumsfeld who is simply not as good a blackshirt as the professionals. gates is in the class of kissinger, casey, bush 41, negroponte, abrams, poindexter, and the ‘real’ top-notch war-criminals this country has produced in its cia. these are the assassins and coup makers… gates is one of the guys you call when you want to try and assassinate chalabi, or, lets say a malaki coup is required. iraq may need some good ol’ central american, vietnamese dirty work, and rumsfeld simply would not be up for the job…
November 11th, 2006 at 10:41 pmI am not so happy with the GOP and it’s subgroups.
We do know that at least Sr. and Scowcroft had the wherewithall not to begin a war in Iraq as it would unstabilize the region during Gulf I. I hope they are working toward that goal and not escalation.
November 11th, 2006 at 10:51 pmI truly don’t think they can afford a war with Iran, Afghan, Iraq, Lebanon and Korea..and whatever else dubya mucked up.
Gates is a shady, bury the bodies type character, thats for sure. Who’s the other possible choices?
November 11th, 2006 at 11:03 pmBush calls Rumsfeld’s replacement “an agent of change.â€
Yes, Robert Gates has proven to be an agent of change.
Let’s take a look at some of those changes.
Gates had changed intelligence analysis as CIA manager. It was testified to that he “politicized” intelligence by making sure that it “conformed” to the political talking points of the Reagan White House. Mostly that the Russa was more of a threat than it actually was.
Larry Johnson, a an CIA analyst said:
Another report on him:
Yeah, I see he is an agent of change. I am not so sure I like that kind change. Seems we have already had enough of kind of change.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:05 pmDnB,
let me put it this way: remember the movie ‘pulp fiction’ when travolta shoots the guy in the back seat of the car? samuel l jackson makes the phone call… well, bush is making the phone call…to his daddy. the dead guy in the back seat is iraq. daddy is sending ‘the wolf’ to get rid of the body, as only a cia black shirt can. with the efficiency and dispatch of ‘the wolf’
any ‘possible choices’ for a guy who shot another guy in his car had better be someone who can fix it…bush 41 picked such a guy.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:28 pmI wouldn’t bet the rent on Gates’ confirmation. There are still a lot of Senators that don’t like his Iran/Contra shenanigans.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:35 pmHere is the kind of change Gates is known for
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=138947
November 11th, 2006 at 11:43 pm
Sorry about my double post. First post took 10minutes to appear, then disappeared. waited almost 40 minutes posted again, then both appear. feekin weird.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:52 pmSince practically everything that Bush says is a lie, we probably should assume that Bush is planning on continuing his imperial aggression in Iraq until either he is impeached, tried, convicted and removed or until the funding monies for the war are cut off. We ended the Vietnam War by finally cutting off the appropriations, so Nixon had to withdraw…
November 11th, 2006 at 11:55 pmCheers.
Oh boy, this is almost too easy. I am going to leave it alone.
November 12th, 2006 at 12:02 amok, my posts disappeared again.
That’s just messed up…….
November 12th, 2006 at 12:02 amYes, Wayne, it appears to me that the webmaster diddles with the submissions from time-to-time. That has happened to me almost every time I have posted potentially damaging information about a political figure. I’m posting this now to see if it appears before the more extensive post that I made nearly 10 minutes ago.
November 12th, 2006 at 12:03 amWhy change the chief of Defence because of the election? Did Bush need a win from the democrats to suddenly realize that the war in Iraq was wrong? That Saddam was neither a nuclear treath nor behind 9/11? Does Bush suddenly realize he could have gotten rid of Saddam without this hugely expensive and unpopular war? Then why doesn’t he resign? All he does is passing the buck. Neocons wanted to occupy Iraq because of oil and because they thought they could fool and confuse us all into believing the war in Iraq is part of the war on terror
November 12th, 2006 at 8:34 am#11, james risser: rumsfeld simply would not be up for the job
The US govt has almost no influence over what is going on politically in Iraq.
Bush unleashed the fundamentalist Shiites who have tried to transform Iraq into a Shiite fundamentalist republic during the twenty years prior to the deposing of Saddam Hussein.
The Shiite fundamentalists are not ever going to be a partner with the US.
In fact, they have been waging war against the US already (below).
Rumsfeld has been hobbled in Iraq for quite sometime.
The US lost control of Iraq especially with the legitimate electing of the Shiite fundamentalists.
The types of murder and mayhem that you are suggesting have been going on in a hugely dramatic fashion in Iraq since the invasion with and without Field Marshall von Rumsfeld.
These heinous actions will continue to go on with or without Gates.
Here’s a few oldies but goodies that show who is no in charge in Iraq thank to Bush and hit supporters. The party in power (Al Dawa) in Iraq has a long history with Iran and with terrorism. (Keywords: Al Dawa, Islamic Fundamentalism, Sharia, Iran and Iraq, terrorism, US Embassy attack)
Large Turnout Reported For 1st Iraqi Vote Since ‘58 The Washington Post, June 21, 1980
In another development today, Al Dawa, a clandestine Iraqi fundamentalist Moslem organization, claimed responsibility for yesterday’s grenade attack on the British Embassy here in which three gunmen reportedly were killed.
An Al Dawa spokesman told Agence France-Presse by phone that the attack was a “punitive operation against a center of British and American plotters.”
Message From Iran Triggered Bombing Spree In Kuwait, The Washington Post, February 3, 1984
Al Dawa, for example, is no household name in the United States.
But it is a name important to this story.
It leads us back to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the ruling figure in Iran; to Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, the militant Lebanese Shiite leader who has been implicated–despite his denials–in the Marine and French bombings in Beirut; to Hussein Musawi, Fadlallah’s strong-arm lieutenant; to the Hakim brothers in Iran and their connections to the Middle East terrorism industry.
Baalbek Seen As Staging Area For Terrorism, The Washington Post, January 9, 1984
Al Dawa, according to Arab and western sources, is believed to have had a role in the Oct. 23 suicide bomb attacks on the U.S. Marine and French military compounds in Beirut.
November 12th, 2006 at 9:52 amagent of change = cashier?
November 12th, 2006 at 10:15 amI guess the Germans are going to try and do what the American government can’t/won’t.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,1557842,00.html
Apparently thanks to the Nazi like “Military and Commissions Act” passed earlier this year – American law can no longer try these murderers in a court of law in the U.S. for any War Crimes.
The Patriot Act’s and Military Commissions act must be abolished.
The USA needs a real investigation into 911 – since all of our corrupt policy has come since that event and is linked to that event. At least half of all Americans think that 911 was an inside job. (including me)
Evidence points to the facts that the Bush administration had plans to attack Iraq prior to the 911 event – and also needed a reason to implement his Nazi like control grid on the American people.
An incident was proposed – 911
November 12th, 2006 at 11:21 amI won’t even get into the billions in gold that was stored inside the World Trade Center – that was just icing on the cake.
Bush was against an agent of change before he was for it.
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