Bush on what he learned from Tuesday’s elections:
By on Nov 11th, 2006 at 10:58 am
Bush on what he learned from Tuesday’s elections:
“The message of this week’s elections is clear: the American people want their leaders in Washington to…conduct ourselves in an ethical manner.”
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DUH
November 11th, 2006 at 11:03 amDurr!!
November 11th, 2006 at 11:08 amOne word.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:10 amNOTHING.
Really and truly they want you gone. ASAP.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:11 amI am sure the incompetance and arrogance of the GOP leadership had a little to do with the results too.
Don’t forget to NOT CALL THE OPPOSITION PARTY TRAITORS AND TERRORIST LOVERS during the fight. people seem to get a little pissed about being called names for 6 years.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:23 amthe American people want their leaders in Washington to set aside partisan differences, conduct ourselves in an ethical manner, and work together to address the challenges facing our Nation.
I cannot believe Pres Bush said this with a straight face, as if it were a sudden revelation.
Hasn’t the Bush camp repeated these same themes in way way or another since 2000? Didn’t they want to “restore dignity to the White House”? Didn’t Pres Bush say he was “a uniter not a divider”?
Didn’t they proceed to attack anyone who disagreed?
I suspect this is another instance of Pres Bush saying whatever he thinks people around him want to hear, without really meaning it.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:24 amNo Bush, we want this to happen in the US courts…
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html
“Exclusive: Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse
A lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo”
November 11th, 2006 at 11:25 amUh, MR. President, you already said that, back in 99 and 2000 when you were running for president.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:26 amThe best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities…It is best to win without fighting.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:27 amSun-tzu
the Bushies would not know anything about ethics even if it squarely bit them in their asses.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:27 amFirst stage is denial – he’s over the hump of it now.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:33 amHe is the ‘Master of the Obvious’
November 11th, 2006 at 11:35 amGuess they didn’t teach critical thinking at Yale. The American people want us out of Iraq and want you out of the White House.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:37 amBush’s powers of stating the obvious are most uncanny.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:40 amA lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmoâ€
Comment by Wayne — November 11, 2006 @ 11:25 am
Glad the German government is willing to step up and hold these war criminals responsible. Though, a bit ironic…
And if they need to “waterboard” him to get information, they know who to ask… :)
November 11th, 2006 at 11:47 amFirst stage is denial – he’s over the hump of it now.
Comment by Xbot
So in about 4 years, GWB will smack his forehead and say, “Oh my god, the people frickin’ hated me because I was a really shitty president, and I didn’t know what the f*ck I was doing.”
November 11th, 2006 at 11:48 amDubya: “The message of this week’s elections is clear: the American people want their leaders in Washington to…conduct ourselves in an ethical manner.â€
Does that mean not lying about Very Important Matters and not killing hundreds of thousands of civilans unnecessarily, and actually getting off our ass and doing sumptin’ when thosands of Americans are been drowned?
Cheers,
November 11th, 2006 at 11:48 amIt is really funny to hear the “brilliant” Karl Rove pushing the theme that the Iraq war “unsettles” Americans, but that the citizens are not angry about the war.
Keep repeating and believing your own spin boys, you’ll be in the electoral minority for a long time that way.
In the words of Jack Murtha: “Just because they say it, doesn’t make it true.”
Please continue to pander to your base with the silly redmeat and watch the center continue to evaporate and gravitate to the Democrats.
-GSD
November 11th, 2006 at 11:49 amBushit said if the democrats get in it will be tax and spend, tax and spend and that sound right to me. It’s a lot better than GOP policy of borrow and spend and borrow and spend and let the kids pay for it the rest of thier lives.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:49 amFirst stage is denial – he’s over the hump of it now.
Comment by Xbot — November 11, 2006 @ 11:33 am
Oh, let’s hope… And, that he’s capable of moving through the other 4 stages a lot faster than he got through this one.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:51 amSo in about 4 years, GWB will smack his forehead and say[...]
Comment by Zooey — November 11, 2006 @ 11:48 am
I am afraid that would require the powers of introspection, which have been notably absent in the White House during Pres Bush’s term.
It is more likely he will blame the media, for not helping him “catapult the propaganda”…
November 11th, 2006 at 11:52 amFrom the Time article:
In other words, Bush’s Military Commissions Act which insulated Rumsfeld and others from criminal prosecution and civil suits under American law opened the doors for an International War Crimes Tribunal.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:55 amWhat a joke , he took him 6 bloody years to discover ethics . Do not believe a word of it , he like his brethen , the gop , he talks from the both side of his mouth . A real texas rattler.
November 11th, 2006 at 11:58 amSorry to put a big damper on our big win’s last Tuesday but bush and company are not going to bend at all, unless forsed to do so. They will play nice for photo op’s but continue to do their dirty trick’s right up to the Dem’s taking control of the house and senate.
If possible they will try to stop all the work that need’s to be done, create more war’s and cram through everything they want right up to the minute of bringing in the new congress….We are in the most dangerious of times untill January…..Just my opinion. Rove is going to be working over time to help bush accomplish everything he want’s in short order and make the dem’s look bad while doing it…Bush is not going to change no matter what..I personaly think he is crazy, a tumor maybe or some other kind of mental defect….Watch and see….Blessings, we still need them.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:01 pmopened the doors for an International War Crimes Tribunal.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — November 11, 2006 @ 11:55 am
So we only have to wait two more years for Bush to also be eligible for this tribunal? Well, better late than never.
I only hope we learn from our mistakes as Germany seems to have learned from theirs. Both fortunately and unfortunately, their lesson was definitely bigger. We averted much on Tuesday.
I loved the Howard Dean interview on The Daily Show this week.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:01 pmI personaly think he is crazy, a tumor maybe or some other kind of mental defect….Watch and see….Blessings, we still need them.
Comment by Sharon Cox
Good morning, Sharon. Lovely weather you’re sending this way…not.
I think GWB’s problem is more simple than a tumor or mental defect (although we could go for days about that one). I think he’s simply fallen off the wagon. I think he’s been off that wagon for at least 2 years, but recently it’s gotten much worse.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:06 pmIt is more likely he will blame the media, for not helping him “catapult the propagandaâ€â€¦
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Like any good sociopath, he will use the most expedient excuse of the moment.
Subject to change in the moment after that.
“And if they need to “waterboard†him to get information, they know who to ask… :) — unbelievable ”
waterboarding is not torture, just ask Cheney, as soon as heis done with his morning cup of puppy blood.
Seriously, Congress and the courts/law enforcement need to take these crooks down
If the Democrats we just voted in cannot do the job, they can be voted out too.
RULE of LAW needs to be re-established in this government again. Those who broke the law, including Bush must face the music and pay for their crimes.
No more coverups.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:07 pmIndeed, Mr. President. We want our elected officials to conducify themselves in an ethnical manner.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:15 pmI guess Bush was for ethics for everybody else before he was against ethics for everybody else. That must give him a texas sized headache.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:17 pmZooey, would you like some more rain? We got plenty to send!
November 11th, 2006 at 12:18 pmAmerican people want their leaders in Washington to…conduct ourselves in an ethical manner
November 11th, 2006 at 12:19 pmWhy did the arrested-development president feel he had to state the obvious? Because it was a revelation to him.
The boy-king born into a wealthy and influential family; the stereotypical rich kid, who never had to earn anything because everything he wanted was handed to him; the spoiled brat who turned everything he touched into a mess that his father and his father’s friends with power and money had to clean up; the dry drunk who says he kicked the habit sans the usual counseling and treatment, and now receives personal instructions from Jesus; the arrogant cowboy who never understood that the world is not a simplistic black and white tableau that could be managed with force; the semi-literate man who never grasped basic geography and history, much less geopolitics – that the American people expect something of substance (integrity, honesty, and truth) and were not going to stand by and watch him destroy the country and the Constitution is apparently a foreign thought to his corrupt little mind.
Wow, it is amazing what Bush can comprehend when he puts his mind to it. I think it is no coincidence that it took him sixty years to figure this one out.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:20 pmMarie, well spoken!
November 11th, 2006 at 12:22 pmAnd it looks like Daddy to the rescue again, maybe forcing the idiot what me worry decider into accepting his choice for SecDef.
…6 years later. What a piece of shit. He must be in ‘Legacy Survival’ mode.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:23 pmZooey, would you like some more rain? We got plenty to send!
Comment by RUCerious
No! No rain! Only snow, please. I love snow…
November 11th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIn other words, Bush’s Military Commissions Act which insulated Rumsfeld and others from criminal prosecution and civil suits under American law opened the doors for an International War Crimes Tribunal.
—Briseadh na Faire
Yeah, it is really sad what the Republicans have turned this country into. And that it takes the country that enabled the mass exterminations in WWII to step forward and call foul. Ironic in the least.
The Germans saw and experienced firsthand what we are just starting to see.
What would have happened if the Republicans and their dirty tricks had succeeded in stealing the elections again?
Frankly I am really pissed off that the Dems promised not to impeach. If investigations show the law was broken by Bush, they have a Constitutional obligation to impeach. Anything else is a violation of their oath of office.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:34 pmThose who broke the law, including Bush must face the music and pay for their crimes.
Comment by Wayne — November 11, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
To me, that has been one of the beautiful things about what the Founding Fathers did – limit the power of the President, not justthrough checks and balances of the 3 branches, but by holding him to the same standard as everyone else.
If you or I did what Bush has done, we’d be criminally liable. He is made of the same flesh and bone as we are, therefore he deserves no exceotions or excuses for his criminal actions.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:38 pmIT WAS ABOUT THE WAR, YOU IDIOT!
November 11th, 2006 at 12:38 pmThe exit polls prove it. This is just more deflective spin.
President Bush’s job approval rating has fallen to just 31 percent, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll. Bill Clinton’s lowest rating during his presidency was 36 percent; Bush’s father’s was 29 percent, and Ronald Reagan’s was 35 percent. Jimmy Carter’s and Richard Nixon’s lows were 28 and 23 percent, respectively. (Just 24 approve of outgoing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s job performance; and 31 percent approve of Vice President Dick Cheney’s.)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek/
November 11th, 2006 at 12:39 pmIt was about the war, you idiot!
November 11th, 2006 at 12:40 pmThis is just spiin.
Bush: (thinking to himself) yes ethically, except for me, I’m King after all.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:43 pmthe semi-literate man who never grasped basic geography and history
Comment by Marie — November 11, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
“Wow! Brazil is big.”
November 11th, 2006 at 12:45 pm—George W. Bush, after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia, Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005
More Ethics less Smirk
November 11th, 2006 at 12:46 pmDespite the conciliatory language this week between the White House and the new leaders of Congress, Democrats expect to launch probes into the administration’s use of prewar intelligence on Iraq and its domestic wiretapping program and into Vice President Dick Cheney’s energy task force, current and former aides said.
The goal, they said, will be to force changes by shedding light on problems with the existing policies.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/11/democrats_may_use_probes_to_force_policy_shifts/
November 11th, 2006 at 12:46 pmWhat would have happened if the Republicans and their dirty tricks had succeeded in stealing the elections again?
Comment by Wayne — November 11, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
I’m glad that we probably won’t ever know:
“WASHINGTON – Legislation aimed at President Bush’s once-secret program for wiretapping U.S.-foreign phone calls and computer traffic of suspected terrorists without warrants shows all the signs of not moving ahead, notwithstanding President Bush’s request this week that a lame-duck Congress give it to him.
Senate Democrats, emboldened by Election Day wins that put them in control of Congress as of January, say they would rather wait until next year to look at the issue. “I can’t say that we won’t do it, but there’s no guarantee that we’re going spend a lot of time on controversial measures,” Democratic Whip Richard Durbin of Illinois said Thursday.
In Senate parlance, that means no.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061111/ap_on_go_co/warrantless_wiretaps
November 11th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWayne, Do you think the Dems have totally ruled out impeachment? I am not sure. Certainly, they don’t want to start right off with confrontational scenes, especially when there is so much that needs to be done in other areas ASAP. But we are a nation of laws, and investigations will undoubtedly turn up things that will inevitably lead to impeachments of Bush and Cheney. We cannot be a nation of laws, operating under a Constitution, if we allow lawbreakers to go unpunished. Bush says repeatedly that he swore to protect the people – and that is wrong – he swore to uphold the Constitution, at which he has failed. But solid evidence is needed to prosecute, and that will be obtained in a slow, but certain path of investigations and sworn testimonies. Impeachment alone will give us not much more than justified revenge, but impeachment followed by removal from office for his established crimes will give me greatest satisfaction.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:52 pmIf it takes until next year before the extent of his crimes becomes undeniable, we should be patient – because when the evidence is indisputable, he and Cheney will have to be removed.
We may sooner than later see Rumsfeld tried in a world court for his part in carrying out the Bush/Cheney mission. We can chew on that for a while.
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
Thats all I heard.
THE LEGACY OF GWB
November 11th, 2006 at 12:52 pmImpotent, irrelevent, embarrassment.
History will record that on Secretary Rumsfeld’s watch, the men and women of our military overthrew two terrorist regimes…
And who would those be? Saddam had better not be one of them. Nor the Taliban that’s regaining key cities in Afghanistan.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:58 pmoh what… did condi and karen forget to go over this 7 years ago when you crammed for the Presidential test after having skipped years of class.
November 11th, 2006 at 12:58 pmWayne, Do you think the Dems have totally ruled out impeachment? — Marie
It is what they have said. I assume they meant what they said.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:07 pm50 – Wayne, I turned off the Daily Show immediately after Dean’s statement.
The Democrats have 2 years. If it turns out that they too are part of the problem, then it will be time for a clean sweep and remove BOTH parties from power.
If you look at the reality of the numbers, you’ll find about 30% die-hard Republicans, and 30% die-hard Democrats. That leaves 40% who will vote for change, enough to make a difference, and, enough to get elected.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:21 pmWayne and Marie. Impeachment is a political animal. Politicians are keeping the animal at bay, knowing they don’t have the votes to convict. If the public finds out the truth behind this administrations decision making and malfeasance, the public may demand an impeachment. At this point, the newsweek poll I saw indicated only 28% or so of the general public support impeachment.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:22 pmIf polls showed that swelling to 60 – 70%, you’d see Dean, Pelosi, Conyers, et al bringing it on.
Should have puta separator between the blockquotes I see, sorry. Should have been 4 separate “snips” from articles in my previous post =P
November 11th, 2006 at 1:22 pmWayne & Briseadh na Faire,
We can put pressure on them, we have to put pressure on them. They simply can’t that they’re not going to do anything about this administration’s actions. If they cave on this, we as a country are simply waiting to be beat up again and again.
The Republicans will use these next two years to watch what we do about the shit they pulled, and the Dems have already told them we will do nothing!
November 11th, 2006 at 1:28 pmIf polls showed that swelling to 60 – 70%, you’d see Dean, Pelosi, Conyers, et al bringing it on.
Comment by RUCerious — November 11, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
After all, they didn’t say ‘never’ to impeachment…
November 11th, 2006 at 1:29 pmWhat color is the sky in Bush’s world? He really really doesn’t get it, does he?
November 11th, 2006 at 1:30 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
He pledges to do his part? But what is his word worth. He hasn’t earned our trust on any issue, least of all bipartisanship.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:35 pmIf the public finds out the truth behind this administrations decision making and malfeasance, the public may demand an impeachment.
–RUCerious
Read the Constitution Article 3, section 2.3 & Article 2, section 4
Read the oath of office each congressperson has to swear to as well.
Impeachment proceedings can be brought for any offence – there is no requirement in the Constitution that it can only be for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”; these are merely the circumstances under which removal from office is obligatory
November 11th, 2006 at 1:38 pmWayne, I totally agree with you, but I think what the Dem leaders are saying now is what must be said – for now. There will certainly be hearings and investigations which will turn up evidence and testimony, and when THAT happens, well, it will be out of their hands won’t it? The evidence turned up in the investigations will take over and the Dems will be able to say, well, we really didn’t want to advocate impeachment, but considering what we have learned, we must follow the law and proceed. So, despite their words, I am holding with the inevitable will happen.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:41 pmIf Bush&Co somehow manage to escape punishment, I don’t know how America will react, inluding me, but it won’t be pretty.
Zooey, Unbelievable. I agree. While it is off the table now, thus far nothing precludes it from being put back on the table.
I am taking a wait-and-see stance. And doing what shamans do to heal a community. Maybe it affects nothing beyond my own attitude, but I will continue to wish that those who know of the crimes of this Administration continue to come forward with evidence and testimony of wrongdoing.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:43 pmBush, either believes in what he says, or the joke is on us.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:44 pmThe madman or jester, might just be the same.
MNSBC online poll: 87 percent say ‘plenty to justify’ Bush impeachment.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:48 pmMSNBC is Keith Olbermann’s channel, and considering that his audience passed the million mark last week, there may be more Dems watching than ever before, so, this is a non-scientific poll, but it does say that the movement is growing. Bush’s approval ratings are at an all time low, people are pissed off – let the hearings begin January 2nd.
And “ethics” includes how you justify and conduct a war.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:50 pmI am taking a wait-and-see stance. And doing what shamans do to heal a community. Maybe it affects nothing beyond my own attitude, but I will continue to wish that those who know of the crimes of this Administration continue to come forward with evidence and testimony of wrongdoing.
—Briseadh na Faire
I agree, as one who follows the spiritual path of my ancestors and as a “student” of many other paths.
I believe we should keep it at the forefront of the “public debate” and keep a sharp eye on our newly elected congress to make sure they do the right thing.
November 11th, 2006 at 1:56 pmWell, we will see what the Clintonistas do, after they finish taking their bows for their hard work – Schumer / Emanuel …
Now that you’ve won, you can’t just sit there and gripe about what the previous administration handed you – Bush gripes that Clinton did nothing to prevent 9/11, Clinton griped about the policies of Bush Sr. and Reagan, Reagan didn’t gripe, just stood up to Iran and ended the Cold War …
November 11th, 2006 at 1:58 pmIn some regard, because their reasons for not impeaching the Bush cabinet (I think they should all go) are vague and really not justified, it makes me think it’s political maneuvering – as Marie suggested.
On the other hand, the Democrats are still bought by Corporate American dollars. It makes me question their allegiance just as much as I question the Republicans’. I am an Independent, after all, for that very reason.
There is now, as there was in 1994, also the will of the people – as obvious as ever – to remind them all of what happens when we have had enough. I hope that that fresh little reminder will serve us most of all.
And as someone who thinks actions are the only means for change, I will continue to educate my students each year and hope that it will somehow matter in their, and our long run.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:00 pmNow that you’ve won, you can’t just sit there and gripe about what the previous administration handed you…
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 11, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Well look who finally decided to show up. A bit late Jason. You promised you’d be here the following morning after you lost. But I suppose youhave some excuse for not showing…
In order to fix what Bush has fouled, we first have to assess the damage. That’s what we’re doing, Einstein.
Is this all you have? Pretty lame… like the duck that your Decider has now become.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:03 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
SPEAKER PELOSI
Heh.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:07 pmNow that you’ve won, you can’t just sit there and gripe about what the previous administration handed you…
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Leave it to you to prove once again the inability of some people to even comprehend the mess the Bush administration and the Republicans ( and some of the Democrats) have made of this country.
I salute your example to the rest of us.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:11 pmBush and his cabal of kool-aid drinkers should be sitting in a corner, rocking back and forth, chanting “at least the election didn’t include a recall of the President”.
Congress should not jump into impeachment. Congress needs to clean up its branch of government first, with the elections being only the first part. Investigations of suspicious Congress members who still remain or were re-elected need to be vigorously pursued and corrupt members purged. Internal controls and standards need to be reinstated or developed. Oversight of the executive branch should be reinstituted and through investigations as part of the oversight, impeachment may be an outcome by evolution.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:14 pmReagan didn’t gripe, just stood up to Iran and ended the Cold War …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
So selling them weapons is called standing up to them? That’s rich.
Bush was on duty when the Soviet Empire collapsed – if you want to know who ended the cold war, it was Jimmy Carter. It was during his administration that the Afghanis were covertly armed, and began their fight against the Soviets. I think it was Zbignew Brzezinski’s plan, to embroil the Soviets in their own Vietnam.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:20 pmNow that you’ve won, you can’t just sit there and gripe about what the previous administration handed you…
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Coming from the folks who still scream “Bill Clinton fault” every two minutes, that is one helluva funny joke Hendler.
-GSD
November 11th, 2006 at 2:21 pmOops, that would be Reagan, not Bush. Sorry.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:25 pm[...] Via Think Progress » Bush on what he learned from Tuesday’s elections, President Bush has learned now, suddenly, that the people want ethical behaviour in DC. [...]
November 11th, 2006 at 2:29 pmBush says – “the American people want their leaders in Washington to…conduct ourselves in an ethical manner.â€
I must be dreaming.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:45 pmHey Jason M. Hendler:
Ha ha haaaa….you kool-aid drinking-walk lock-step with the furor moran. If this congress does nothing it has stopped the tied of Facism that your party has brought to America. I listened to Insannity-Hannity, Gay-boy Rush to judgement, Gay-boy Sludge the Drudge, and Micheal on Meds-ved the morning after the election….damn life is good. I think Rush was on drugs again? Go figure. He couldn’t even speak he was so much in shock. He kept saying I have a bunch of papers here that speak why the Democrats WON SO DAMN HUGH, but he couldn’t find them. He kept rustluling around with those damn papers. He makes me sick. The callers where the best though…the we’re going to hell in a hand-basket crowd. Even Karl Rove couldn’t get a date and make it to the Gay clubs that night because he eat so much the night before that he couldn’t fit into his little Miss-Piggy outfit to go cruising for a new Poll to latch onto. In final as Rep Waxman said let the hearings begin. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA.
November 11th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWhat an idiot.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe DLC will fail you and give power back to the Republicans.
The DLC will fail you and give power back to the Republicans.
Comment by Jeff — November 11, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
So that’s what the neocons are telling themselves now. I didn’t know denial could be so gosh darn funny.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:08 pmPower is brokered and traded twixt neocons and DLC Dems. Just watch. You’ll see.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:12 pmI have recently discovered that the parallel universe inhabitated by Bush and his supporters is called World of Mass Denial (WMD). An invasion of reality into this world causes significant dysfunction for its inhabitants.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:14 pmDid anyone notice that rummy’s face is still on the White House website.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:16 pmGot incompetence?
I see you’re back to posting assertions of fact without citations. Care to back up your claim about Clinton, or was that another of your made-up facts?
And Reagan was a senile old man who forgot what the Cold War was. He couldn’t complain about the previous President because he couldn’t name his predecessor. He was a figurehead while Nancy and her astrologer ran the government. But it figures that someone like you would hold a man whose mind was gone in such reverence.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:16 pmPower is brokered and traded twixt neocons and DLC Dems. Just watch. You’ll see.
Comment by Jeff — November 11, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
That is always possible. But We The People need to keep reminding them who is really in charge. Those who won Tuesday can also be replaced.
It’s like Jefferson warned – When the people fear givernment, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty.
Why we need the right to bear arms, and to vote at every elect – to remind them.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:20 pmBoth the Republican Party and George Bush have destroyed the ‘brand’ and it’s going to take a lot more than rehtoric to convince people to trust them again.
After all, how many people are eating raw spinach these days? Now that the voters have had a taste of how corrupt and incompetent the right wing is, they aren’t likely to buy that product again.
Sen. elect Jim Webb told Newsweek that after the Allen campaign tried to smear him with passages from his novels, he got 170,000 hits on his web site. The Republicans seem to think that they can fool most of the people all of the time, but guess what? They are so busted.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:25 pmThe same administration that predicted easy victory in Iraq,and with flowers in the path to victory,predicted an easy victory also in last Tuesday’s elections with ease. While the results on the ground in Iraq contradicts the rosy picture drawn by this administration,the same results again contradicted the best predictions this administration had about the elections’ outcome. The lesson learned here that in both cases the administration was living in dillusion. While the writing was on the wall in both cases,the denial persisted in both cases. While the mojority saw things differently, this administration believed they can see thru their foggy road better than all. Even after the loss, Rove still thinks the war was not a factor in the GOP defeat on Tuesday night….!!!
November 11th, 2006 at 3:29 pm#25 unbelievable
You’re right in both points. Us Germans had to deal with a much bigger lesson and you averted a decline into something less than democracy last tuesday. I am deeply impressed by the vitality of american democracy and the deep sense for freedom of your citizens. You averted a fate which would of course have been different to ours, but still, one doesn’t know.
But your work just starts here.
Take, for example, the expression “common-sense judge”. Once upon a dark time in Germany there was talk about “gesundes Volksempfinden” as opposed to legality. And Freisler’s court used this principle a lot to sentence for instance dissenters. What it means is this: The people has a natural instinct for what is right and decent and what is not. Does it sound plausible? But if this was true the “Reichskristallnacht” (first big organized pogrom against jewish citizens and their businesse) which was 68 years ago yesterday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
would either not have taken place, or would have provoked massive protest. “Gesundes Volksempfinden” is the law of the lynchmob, period. What then are “common-sense judges”? And there are still lots of powerful people in the US who are promoting more “common-sense judges”.
You see, your work has just begun, there is still a lot to do. But you’ve made an impressive start on Tuesday. Congratulations for that.
November 11th, 2006 at 3:49 pmJason M Hendler: REAGAN TRADED WEAPONS TO IRAN U TWIT!!!!
November 11th, 2006 at 3:57 pmYou see, your work has just begun, there is still a lot to do. But you’ve made an impressive start on Tuesday. Congratulations for that.
Comment by german_in_switzerland — November 11, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
Thank you. I’ve been utterly appalled by the lack of media coverage of world opinion. Not surprised, but disgusted none-the-less… I appreciate your thoughts.
Those of us just right of center to extreme left in America were the champions of change. When the Democrats went sour prior to 1994, it was left of center to the extreme right who invoked change. I believe it is the middle that is the moral leveller in ours, and any Democracy. We were too close for comfort in finding out what might have happened if things didn’t change. I am proud of my fellow Americans. I was convinced that they had fallen asleep at the helm of skepticism of government, as our Forefathers had warned.
At the same time, having averted a disaster probably means that our skepticism will be brief. We can never know the pain that your countrymen once endured. And as a result, will not be moved to the same epic proportions. All things being equal, I am happier with this result in the short-term – and hope that the next time such a threat to world peace occurs, that the rest of the world will remind us of what we dodged this week.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:01 pmCongress should not jump into impeachment. Congress needs to clean up its branch of government first, with the elections being only the first part.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
I believe, from the “Drain the Swamp” comment by Pelosi, that one of the things planned in the first 100 hours is to clean House so to speak.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:05 pmSince she is a grandmother, I expect her to kick some ass over PredatorGate.
unbelievable, I do think there was a war on the average middle class american going on by your own administration and you fought back splendidly.
As for us, we endured much pain and inflicted more. But we have learned our lesson. Peace is the only way.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:08 pmBy the way, today is Armistice Day.
I didn’t even know what that was until I was 31. I was in Paris, and my friend and I were walking down the Champs Elysees, where an array of barricades lined the sidewalk. So I asked someone what was going on, and she told me that it was a parade. An Armistice Day parade.
She was an English General’s wife, who was waiting for her husband to be featured in the impending parade. She told me his story and then gave me a red paper poppy that matched the one she, was wearing. I still have it. I then met her husband, covered in a chest of metals and one red paper poppy. Even though quite aged, he still seemed strong and proud.
We stayed and watched the parade with a group of Parisians. One had lived in Miami, so his English was far better than my French – to my good fortune. As we all huddled upon a worn concrete bench outside of a McDonald’s, he narrated for me and my friend, what we were seeing – including the Queen of England herself – there to dedicate their new Churchhill statue.
Then I understood why German school children were required to travel as a part of their education. It is pointless to memorize facts out of a meaningless textbook.
That trip was the beginning of the end of my ignorance. This summer, I will share a similar journey with about 7 graduating high school students from my alma mater.
Americans really need to learn to notice the rest of the planet.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:17 pmWhile I’d love to see Bush/Cheney impeached, the war crimes issue is perhaps too abstract for the majority of americans to get behind.
What’s needed is iron clad proof of something like a stolen election, spying on members of Congress, any kind of willful breaking of US law. Just as warentless wiretapping was somewhat tolerated by the public, war crimes could be seen as justifiable to some, in order to keep everyone’s favorite boogey man at bay.
An impeachment charge has to be something that even moderate Republicans can get behind in order for it to work.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:17 pmPeace is the only way.
Comment by german_in_switzerland — November 11, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
I wholly agree. Unfortunately, those who rise to positions of authority in powerful nations rarely understand that.
How has Angela Merkel been as a Chancellor? Did she ever recover from Bush trying to give her a neck massage :)
November 11th, 2006 at 4:20 pmi am confused…
didn’t the monkey say the other day that they took a ‘thumpin” and that he shared responsibilty for it? is he now, by stating the ‘real lesson’ admitting he is not ethical? or, is he relying on the collective etch-a-sketch mind of most americans to just look at the new thing and ignore what was said just days ago?
November 11th, 2006 at 4:21 pmYou see, your work has just begun, there is still a lot to do. But you’ve made an impressive start on Tuesday. Congratulations for that.
—— german_in_switzerland
Thanks for the support.
It has been a rollercoaster ride for the last 6 years, but people, the grass roots, woke up and spoke out this time.
We will be watching them very closely.
” I was convinced that they had fallen asleep at the helm of skepticism of government, as our Forefathers had warned.” —Unbelievable
Alot of us were worried there. **whew**
“At the same time, having averted a disaster probably means that our skepticism will be brief. ”
—Unbelievable
That’s where our work should be. Question Authority. Demand Accountibility. Demand Change. Demand Rule of Law.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:21 pmAn impeachment charge has to be something that even moderate Republicans can get behind in order for it to work.
Comment by Anastasia — November 11, 2006 @ 4:17 pm
You mean something like a blowjob? :)
Though, in Bush’s case, I think it would have to be from a man to upset the Moral Majority.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:26 pmThough, in Bush’s case, I think it would have to be from a man to upset the Moral Majority.—– unbelievable
**cough**Gannon**cough**
Looks like Exley finally dropped off the Fallujah thread. For now…. hehe
November 11th, 2006 at 4:32 pmThat’s where our work should be. Question Authority. Demand Accountibility. Demand Change. Demand Rule of Law.
Comment by Wayne — November 11, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
Absolutely.
I now understand why corrupt authority figures punish those who question them. It’s the only way they can stay in control. My favorit quote on the matter is this (was meant in context to Atheists, but I think it works universally): “I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.”
And for when people forget, Think Progress has been so gracious as to document it here for us… :)
November 11th, 2006 at 4:34 pm**cough**Gannon**cough**
Comment by Wayne — November 11, 2006 @ 4:32 pm
Maybe now that the neocons are imploding, someone will squeal (like a pig :)
November 11th, 2006 at 4:37 pmThe US has vetoed a draft UN Security Council resolution condemning an Israeli attack in the Gaza Strip that killed 19 Palestinian civilians.
John Bolton, the US ambassador to the UN, described the text as “unbalanced†and “biased against Israel and politically motivatedâ€.
He added that it did not provide an “even-handed characterisation†of the Israeli shelling of the Gaza town of Beit Hanoun that killed the 19 Palestinians, mostly women and children.
The text of the resolution, which was sponsored by Arab states, also condemned the firing of rockets by Palestinian fighters into Israel.
Ten of the council’s 15 members voted in favour and four -Britain, Denmark, Japan and Slovakia – abstained.
AMERICA YOU ARE BANG OUT OF ORDER HOW DARE BUSH SPEAK ABOUT ETHICS
November 11th, 2006 at 4:45 pmOh I wish I were a GOP whiner!
November 11th, 2006 at 4:47 pmAMERICA YOU ARE BANG OUT OF ORDER HOW DARE BUSH SPEAK ABOUT ETHICS
Comment by Tobey Tall — November 11, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
We voted against these people. Unfortunately, it won’t take effect until January.
And then, Bolton will be replaced by someone who cares about the rest of the planet.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:50 pmHow has Angela Merkel been as a Chancellor? Did she ever recover from Bush trying to give her a neck massage :)
Comment by unbelievable — November 11, 2006 @ 4:20 pm
I didn’t believe my own eyes, when I saw that. Mrs Merkel is a very reserved personality, she keeps the distance. She has a brilliant intellect, but appears akward when it comes to being in public. I believe she is rather shy, but her ambition got her to be chancellor, despite feeling uncomfortable with the public side of it.
Now, imagine you feel that hugs, kisses, even casual touching is strictly private. You would never go beyond a handshake with a stranger. And then this. She’ll be watching her back whenever your president is around next time, you can count on that ;)
As for her job. Things are getting gradually better in Germany, but we still have almost 10% unemployment and in the counties of the former GDR up to 25%. Although I boasted that we had learned our lesson, there is a NPD (nationalists) convention going on in Berlin currently. However, they are still few, but we have to be watchful. In the above mentioned districts with high unemployment rates the Neo-Nazis as we call them find rich soil for their imbecilities.
BTW, I’m going to throw out the name german_in_switzerland and change to my real name “doro” in the future (less to type).
November 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pm“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.â€
That one sentence speaks volumes. Theocracy has always tried to take over this country.
Google the history of “Indian Schools” on the reservations. Children punnished and beaten for speaking their language or of their own culture. That type of persecution is NOT ancient history. It goes on today.
Either we are all part of “We the People” and afforded equal protection under the law, no matter of race, sex, sexual orientation, spiritual beliefs or disability or we live in a Tyrany.
“And for when people forget, Think Progress has been so gracious as to document it here for us… :) ”
—unbelievable
I second that. Or Me Three if someone already has seconded.=)
November 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pmThanks TP for the awsome job.
And for the continued job ahead.
Self-righteousness is a mental disorder.
November 11th, 2006 at 4:58 pmThose that are truly righteous, such as Socrates, suffer the fate of the self-righteous fools, it continues today.
Sigh,
the stuff I wanted to put in italics is not, the other stuff is….
I give up and keep it simple
November 11th, 2006 at 4:59 pmdoro it is =)
November 11th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#100
Yes, Toby the work for change has just begun.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWe are aware and still speaking out.
The Democrats do not actually take over untill January 2007 though.
the stuff I wanted to put in italics is not, the other stuff is….
I give up and keep it simple
Comment by doro
Try Highlighting the text you want to be in Italics and then click italic [aove] and it will place both of the italic em tags at front and back of the highlighted area. =)
November 11th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI give up and keep it simple
— doro
Hehe, yeah sometimes the tags act weird.
And welcome to the zoo, Doro =)
November 11th, 2006 at 5:05 pmOh that Decider, he can’t help leaving out the truth:
” the American people want (my fellow Rapepublican LIARS) in Washington to…conduct ourselves in an ethical manner” to prison.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:09 pmShe’ll be watching her back whenever your president is around next time, you can count on that ;)
I didn’t know that she was that reserved. Europeans usually see Americans as the reserved ones…
That makes what he did all the more insulting, rude and ignorant. Much like the pig he kept referencing during his last visit there. Poor woman. We were pretty mortified here as well. Well, those of us with consciouses anyway… :)
As for her job. Things are getting gradually better in Germany, but we still have almost 10% unemployment
We have about the same here. Bush just changed the math to only include people who are collecting unemployment. We now ignore those whose unemployment benefits ran out. Typical of those “compassionate” conservatives…
but we have to be watchful. In the above mentioned districts with high unemployment rates the Neo-Nazis as we call them find rich soil for their imbecilities.
Neo-Nazis / Neo-Cons are much the same. And apparently so are imbeciles in both our countries.
Is that why you’re in Switzerland? :)
BTW, I’m going to throw out the name german_in_switzerland and change to my real name “doro†in the future (less to type).
Comment by german_in_switzerland — November 11, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
Sounds good. Welcome doro! Nice to have you here at Think Progress.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI would be nervous too If some neo-con named Ledeen, was making theories about France and Germany siding with the Muslims to keep America from becoming an Empire!! =8]
November 11th, 2006 at 5:11 pmYah were charging admission to the animal farm, urr Zoo now!!
November 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWell see you guys later ( and watch for Exley on the Fallujah thread, hehe )
Got to run to get ready for tonight’s gig.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmThat one sentence speaks volumes. Theocracy has always tried to take over this country.
It’s one of the best new ones I’ve seen in a while. Too bad it’s from an unknown source…
Google the history of “Indian Schools†on the reservations. Children punnished and beaten for speaking their language or of their own culture. That type of persecution is NOT ancient history. It goes on today.
I worked with a blue-eyed blonde man in California whose father was a teacher on an Indian Reservation, and he grew up there. As a result of what he saw, he was highly intolerant of intolerance against the Natives.
Seems we’re still taking away their land today as well… Gotta bury that “nucular” waste somewhere…
Either we are all part of “We the People†and afforded equal protection under the law, no matter of race, sex, sexual orientation, spiritual beliefs or disability or we live in a Tyrany.
Excellent point, well said. The idea of judging a person over things they cannot control – gender, skin color, sexual preference, etc. is asinine. And probably why it’s a dying philosophy among anyone with a speck of awareness.
Thanks TP for the awsome job.
And for the continued job ahead.
Comment by Wayne — November 11, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
I second (or third) that. TP and the political blogosphere was truly instrumental in saving our democracy. Gotta love that first amendment :)
November 11th, 2006 at 5:17 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228840,00.html
Looks like the Lebanese democracy is collapsing. I am guessing that the Shiites are hoping to merge their territory with the Shia portion of Iraq for a Shia nation state.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:19 pmLooks like the Lebanese democracy is collapsing. I am guessing that the Shiites are hoping to merge their territory with the Shia portion of Iraq for a Shia nation state.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 11, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
Jason, you don’t even know what democracy is. Much less how to preduct the future of one. After all, you did say that the Repugs would keep both house and senate. How’d that prediction work out for you?
November 11th, 2006 at 5:24 pmUnbelievable, Wayne, Dog_named_Boo thanks for welcoming me so nicely, feels good.
Is that why you’re in Switzerland? :)
No, I’m not a political refugee. It’s a fallout from my husbands career. But as I was raised close to the German-Swiss border I feel quite at home here. Used to live in Munich, the beer is much better there, but as I moved I was weaned to swiss chocolate and coffee.
Which brings me back to politics. Do you know, there is no chance, that I can send some of this stuff to my friends in N.C.? It’s so annoying. I have to apply for a license to import foodstuff into the US, even if it’s only a gift and they want to have the pedigree of the whole thing. Who produced it, what were the ingredients and where did they come from, do you know the cocoa growers hair color? I wouldn’t have to apply if I produced the stuff in my own kitchen, like bake a cake (taliban don’t bake). At least that’s the info I got at the post office along with a two page formular. :(
Well, good night for now. Have to get up early tomorrow, the boys are going fishing and mom is supposed to accompany them.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:37 pmdo you know the cocoa growers hair color? I wouldn’t have to apply if I produced the stuff in my own kitchen, like bake a cake (taliban don’t bake).
Comment by doro — November 11, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
Well, welcome doro – to you and your great sense of humor! :)
November 11th, 2006 at 5:49 pmIf the past six years is any indication, (p)resident Bush will not work bi-partisan with the Democrats. Not one iota. In fact, Shrub will keep taking ear-piece advice from Uncle Karl to oppose the Democrats at every turn, and to *gag* “stay the course”. For someone who claimed in the beginning to be a uniter & not a divider, we haven’t seen one example of that the past six years. He knows he only has two years left in office (if he doesn’t get impeached), so he will continue to be stubborn little twit until the end.
November 11th, 2006 at 5:59 pm#118, unbee,
The individual races in the house were razor thin, as well as the senate. With the inner city precincts being last to report, the results are suspicious, but Reps won’t throw a temper tantrum like Gore and Kerry.
Despite what exit polls say, I believe Maliki’s refusal to deal with al-Sadr helped to erode some of the Rep voters’ support for the war in the final days before the election.
I did accurately predict Schumer / Emanuel / Hill’reh / Lieberman ascension as defacto leaders of the Dem party, should the Dems win, and that is exactly what happened. Little or no credit was given to the liberal bloggers who generated an atmosphere for change, nor will libloggers have much say in subsequent policy generated by this Dem congress.
Did you see Carville’s call to oust Howard Dean and insert Harold Ford? That is just the start of “purging” the Deaniacs and all libloggers from Dem power.
November 11th, 2006 at 6:02 pmThe individual races in the house were razor thin, as well as the senate.
They were not razor thin in the house, Jason. It’s now 169R-229D. It used to be 224R-200D-1I.
And in the Senate, where only some Senators were up for re-election, we lost 0 seats and gained 6. Nothing thin about that.
With the inner city precincts being last to report, the results are suspicious, but Reps won’t throw a temper tantrum like Gore and Kerry.
No, you won’t, because you are the origin of those suspicious activities.
And neither Gore nor Kerry pitched a fit. You’re hallicinating again. Gore and Kerry were both far too passive. They should have pitched fits.
Despite what exit polls say, I believe Maliki’s refusal to deal with al-Sadr helped to erode some of the Rep voters’ support for the war in the final days before the election.
You also ‘believe’ in “Intelligent” Design, the Bible, and that Jesus will return to Earth and take you to some undetectable paradise simply because you say you are a Christian (but refuse to act like one). Just as absurd.
I did accurately predict Schumer / Emanuel / Hill’reh / Lieberman ascension as defacto leaders of the Dem party, should the Dems win, and that is exactly what happened.
Huh? It’s been all about Nancy Pelosi. You know – that San Francisco liberal liberal?
You were wrong about that as well Jason – just admit it. You were wrong about all of it.
Little or no credit was given to the liberal bloggers who generated an atmosphere for change, nor will libloggers have much say in subsequent policy generated by this Dem congress.
Which is why CNN shunned liberal bloggers by putting them ON THE AIR… You are certifiable if you believe that.
Did you see Carville’s call to oust Howard Dean and insert Harold Ford? That is just the start of “purging†the Deaniacs and all libloggers from Dem power.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 11, 2006 @ 6:02 pm
Nonsense Jason. Carville doesn’t run the party. He wasn’t elected for anything. He’s just another talking head journalist – IF he even said that. Which is doubtful because nothing ever happens the way you recount it.
Nancy Pelosi – a very liberal WOMAN from San Francisco – is in charge now. You don’t believe that? Well, boo-fricken-hoo.
November 11th, 2006 at 6:22 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/
November 11th, 2006 at 6:22 pmBush & learned in the same phrase = Oxymoron.
November 11th, 2006 at 6:27 pm#124, unbee,
For an educator, you don’t read very well. I stated that the margins in the INDIVIDUAL races were razor thin, especially in the Senate, where in Virginia and Missouri, the Dem precincts reported last – pay attention. The talley of house and senate seats overstates the popular vote results, especially when you only have a 1 vote margin in the senate.
Carville may not run the Dem party, but the Clintons definitely hold the purse strings, inspite of gains moveon.org and others have made in the last few years. Carville is a Clintonista, so his statements are indicative of Clintonista tactics.
That’s OK, you will see how your efforts will be co-opted, and you won’t achieve your goals in the end.
November 11th, 2006 at 6:32 pmIt’s really hard to believe he ever got out of 1st grade. Or, maybe he is on drugs.
November 11th, 2006 at 6:32 pmWeird!
Bush has always been a slow learner.
November 11th, 2006 at 7:14 pm#123 OK Exley, what was the average margin of victory for the seats that flipped?
November 11th, 2006 at 7:15 pmFrom the few I just sampled, there was a range between 4 and 8 %, I am calling bs on your statement.
Show me the statistics.
It’s so cute the way Jason Hendler re-writes history. But don’t be too hard on him, it’s hard for children to accept defeat. The often strike back without reason.
November 11th, 2006 at 7:41 pmYes, many of the victories were statistically razor thin. That is because so MANY districts were gerrymandered to favor Republicans. The gerrymandering (redistricting) that has occurred (Texas being the best known example, but it has blatantly occurred in Colorado, Georgia, Virginia, Ohio, etc., to “protect” Republican seats. Another way of looking at it is to “prevent” the election of Democrats and prevent the representation of roughly 50% of the voters.
So, this is a great victory for the Democrats since they had to not only defeat unauditable voting machines, disenfranchised voters, unethical and unmoral campaigns (robocalls, telling people the incorrect precinct, etc.), but redistricting that benefited Republican and conservative voters. Once again, the Neo-cons are interpreting the data and putting out talking points to the media that ignore facts.
The fact is that the American voters are tired of lying about war, lying about terrorism, lying about healthcare, lying about ethics, lying about the economy, lying about taxes, lying about the deficit, lying about God, lying about … You get the idea!.
Now, overall, only 40% of eligible voters voted. How do we build a method to get these uninvolved citizens to become progressive voters?
Hurray for the independent and “values” voters who did look at the facts and the problems and crossed the “line” laid by the Republicans to vote for our country instead of voting against out true American values – honesty, tolerance, independence, compassion, sharing, strength, and intelligence!
November 11th, 2006 at 8:46 pmBrad’s Blog is reporting this curiosity:
November 11th, 2006 at 10:46 pmIn the 2000 Connecticul election, Liebermann’s opponent rec’d 448,777 votes. In the 2006 Connecticut election, Liebermann’s opponent had 448,777 votes.
Bush on what he learned from Tuesday’s elections:“The message of this week’s elections is clear: the American people want their leaders in Washington to…conduct ourselves in an ethical manner.â€
Im confused. He said that terrorists want Dems to win. Dems won. So…terrorists like ethical manners?
November 11th, 2006 at 11:43 pmThat’s OK, you will see how your efforts will be co-opted, and you won’t achieve your goals in the end.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Its a good thing that your opinions reflect your liking for the commonwealth of all US citizens and not your personal preferences.
November 12th, 2006 at 12:03 am“The individual races in the house were razor thin”
The VOTE-FRAUD didn’t steal enough votes, purge enough legal voters, or cause enough chaos.
2008 will be the FIRST election in 10 years that can be used as a template for America’s REAL values.
Everything else is either an under-estimation, or a vote-fraud lie.
November 12th, 2006 at 1:46 am123# “the polls were razor thin”
thats right.. thank buddah you fooks don’t have cheating down to an exact science. im pretty sure that if it wernt for Diebold and Co the margins would have likely been larger. once again, exit polls, which mysteriously seem to have functioned well before 2000, showed dems with larger margins in several key states than they actually got.
please please.. im waiting for you to tell me one of two things.. either :
A) it takes a vast conspiracy to rig electonic voting machines (do some research.. it doesnt)
or
B) there arent at least a handful of dishonest people in the republican party willing and able to commit voting fraud. Ney, Delay, Cunningham, and Abrahamahahallhoff were all framed.
the simple truth is you guys didnt cheat well enough this time. sorry.
also
your “dems will take away your precious bibles” and “colored folk are allowed to vote on Nov 8th” flyers and harassive phonecalls didnt work this time buddy.
once these congressional investigations are over with there will be more republicans in jail than in congress. mark my word on that one. you guys are going down for alooong time. in the off chance McCain is president in 2008, it will be because he is the most unrepublican republican i have ever known.
im not a repulican or a democrat, im a libertine, my biggest gripe about dems is that they wont treat republican trash like republican trash…. they refuse to wield the truth as a weapon with the same visciousness you guys wield lies. if and when they do, it will be decades before the right gets back in power.
republicans? well.. most of thier logic is so amazingly hipocritcal its beyond belief… congressmen with multiple divorces and multiple mistresses ranting about how we need to save marriage from the fudge packers. biblehumpers screaming and wailing about a brain dead vegetable or cells in a petri dish which is destined for the garbage, while turning a blind eye to the tens or hundreds of thousands of living, breathing, conscious, pain feeling human beings who have been maimed and slaughtered with our tax dollars, all based on a total lie.
oh… and big government…. no big goverment here.. except for a bloated military which is a deterrent to foreign agression ten times over. and why do we need taxes to pay for all our fancy weapons, when we can just stick our grandchildren with the bill instead?
consistency is not a strong repulican trait, and thats why I see the dems as the lesser of two evils. if I have a choice between killing an embryo to free humans from disease, or killing a 10 year old child to “free” his parents, I’ll kill embryos all day. a thousand times over.
why the heck the dems didnt pull out a huge picture of rumsfeld shaking hands with hussien everytime georgie ranted about how awful saddam was, I’ll never know… there ARE worse things than saddam, and we are seeing them in iraq now, and sadly, in the future
November 12th, 2006 at 2:39 amHi Mr. Hendler! It’s good to see that you stopped the name calling and write pretty articulate posts again, that make it easier to give more serious answers to your thoughts. However, we can all understand your panic the days before the elections I’m sure your nerves were a little frayed at the end.
Not unexpectedly, I am not quite of your opinion. Sandy in post #122 made it pretty clear that the odds were not in favour of the Democrats, when it came to the actual process of voting and getting the votes counted and I agree with her.
Nevertheless, the Democrats won.
Your statement:
The talley of house and senate seats overstates the popular vote results, especially when you only have a 1 vote margin in the senate.
Do Republicans have a hard time accepting the popular vote and acting accordingly? In 2000 there was a clear victor in the popular vote. The popular vote was most certainly not overstated then it was crystal clear! It should have been at least a warning to your president to make sure all the people (the majority!) who did not vote for him were not pushed aside and alienated. He did not heed this warning.
If we consider the situation in 2004, where the memories of 9/11 were still fresh and the war in Iraq was only just over a year old, your president has disregarded all those who, being decent people, backed their president in times of war, although they did not fully agree with him on other issues. And here the popular vote wasn’t that impressive either, I thought. At least it never warranted the notion of an impressive mandate, as claimed by your president, who, I think, overstated the popular result here.
So, the Republicans got what was coming to them.
November 12th, 2006 at 4:43 amBy all means, rush out as if you’ve been handed a mandate. Gay marriage was voted down in all but one state in which it was on the ballot, as well as eminate domain measures. True, an absolute abortion ban was voted down in the upper midwest, but Reps don’t want such an extreme measure – an exception for the life of the mother has an 80+% support in this country, but abortion-on-demand does not have majority support.
Africa is being overrun by Islamic militants, and the borders of many middle-eastern nations are about to be redrawn. Israel is under constant attack by Hezbollah and/or Hamas, so the US will never leave those conflicts. It will be funny watching Pelosi explain why we won’t abandon Israel, while not providing enough support for our troops to effectively defeat those attacking Israel.
Reps didn’t create this mess, the Cold War just kept a lid on it all for decades, but the pot is boiling over, and it’s going to get very messy.
November 12th, 2006 at 8:56 am#141
By all means, rush out as if you’ve been handed a mandate.
Mr Hendler, this is what the President did 2004. I sincerely hope the Democrats won’t follow his example.
I agree, that the above mentioned points are on the minds of many Americans and they have a right to be heard. An open-minded discussion, wouldn’t it be so much more helpful than the neo-cons’ “my way or the highway” approach.
November 12th, 2006 at 11:01 amFor an educator, you don’t read very well.
Since your opinion is always the opposite of reality, yes, I do read quite well.
Unlike you, I read actions, not just words. You actions oppose your words. So, Jason, it’s not just about what you say – it’s about what you do that tells what you truly mean.
I stated that the margins in the INDIVIDUAL races were razor thin, especially in the Senate, where in Virginia and Missouri, the Dem precincts reported last – pay attention.
They weren’t nearly as thin as Bush’s margins in 2000 or 2004. Pay attention to your double standard.
The talley of house and senate seats overstates the popular vote results, especially when you only have a 1 vote margin in the senate.
Spin it however you need ot to sleep at night. The reality is that you lost Jason. You lost big. Deal with it you hypocrite.
Carville may not run the Dem party, but the Clintons definitely hold the purse strings, inspite of gains moveon.org and others have made in the last few years. Carville is a Clintonista, so his statements are indicative of Clintonista tactics.
Better the Clintons who have and continue to productively contribute to politics than Corporate America who only cares about quarterly profits.
Besides, Jason, really – your double standard is showing again.
That’s OK, you will see how your efforts will be co-opted, and you won’t achieve your goals in the end.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 11, 2006 @ 6:32 pm
Coming from the guy who told us we couldn’t win elections, this is downright laughable.
Jason you have no credibility here. And now your desperation is just flat out pathetic.
November 12th, 2006 at 12:12 pmbiblehumpers screaming and wailing about a brain dead vegetable or cells in a petri dish which is destined for the garbage, while turning a blind eye to the tens or hundreds of thousands of living, breathing, conscious, pain feeling human beings who have been maimed and slaughtered with our tax dollars, all based on a total lie.
Comment by John Deek — November 12, 2006 @ 2:39 am
Another excellent description of Jason Hendler
November 12th, 2006 at 12:26 pmReps didn’t create this mess, the Cold War just kept a lid on it all for decades, but the pot is boiling over, and it’s going to get very messy.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — November 12, 2006 @ 8:56 am
Not only did the neocons create this mess, but they brag about making it.
Keep lying to yourself. That’s the last thread you have. And when it snaps, you’ll have to finally face reality Jason. And in your case, it’s really going to hurt.
November 12th, 2006 at 12:30 pm