AUDIO: Richard Perle Insists That Saddam Had Ties To Al Qaeda Because He’s ‘Seen The Evidence’
AUDIO: Richard Perle Insists That Saddam Had Ties To Al Qaeda Because He’s ‘Seen The Evidence’
Yesterday, in an interview with NPR, Richard Perle, a prominent neoconservative and leading proponent for the war in Iraq, insisted that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda. He stated that anyone who believes otherwise is “simply wrong” because he’s “seen the evidence.”
But the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee in September concluded that there was no relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda:
Postwar findings indicate that Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qa’ida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al Qa’ida to provide material or operational support. Debriefings of key leaders of the former Iraqi regime indicate that Saddam distrusted Islamic radicals in general, and al Qa’ida in particular… Debriefings also indicate that Saddam issued a general order that Iraq should not deal with al Qa’ida. No postwar information suggests that the Iraqi regime attempted to facilitate a relationship with bin Ladin. (p. 105)
Perle is no longer a government official. There’s no way he saw any intelligence that the Senate Intelligence Committee didn’t.
Full transcript below:
ANDREA SEABROOK: Now the American public has just watched the years pass — three years and plus of this war — has watched the intelligence that said there were WMD in Iraq be discredited, has watched Saddam’s ties to terrorists be discredited, can you blame them for voting against this policy by voting out Republicans in large part?
RICHARD PERLE: Well, the intelligence about Saddam’s stockpiles appears certainly to have been wrong. I don’t believe it’s correct to say that his ties to terrorists have been discredited. There were numerous links between Iraqi intelligence and various terrorist organizations, including al Qaeda. Those have been documented. And I frequently hear people say that there’s no evidence. It’s simply wrong. I’ve seen the evidence.
SEABROOK: But much of that evidence — that I’ve heard other analysts say, on both sides of the aisle and from several different policy points of view — has in fact been discredited. Most people, it seems now, are saying that Saddam didn’t have any serious connection with terrorists.
PERLE: Well, I simply think that’s wrong. I’ve looked at the evidence and have come to a different conclusion.
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The evidence is in the same place as Conrad Burns’ secret plan for victory in Iraq.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:40 pmBullshit!
The only evidence this terrorist scumbag Christian “saw” was that Saddam had brown skin and worshipped the “wrong” gods.
If this terrorist mother fu*ker has evidence, the god damned scumbag pile of shit needs to present it!
November 13th, 2006 at 3:41 pmHis evidence
well we got a guy of the streets in iraq and waterboparded him till he said
” Saddam has ties to Al queda”
and thats his proof
we should waterboard Mr Perle until he confesses he always wears trousers in Bushes office for fear of being shafted
November 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pmThe Prince of Darkness is at it again. This is like a bad re-run that just won’t go away. Next think you know Pete Hoekstra and Rick Santorum will show up with evidence there really were WMDs in Iraq. . . .
November 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pmPerle can’t tell when he is dreaming or awake. Who takes this guy serious anymore?. Look what happened the last time this idiot had an ideal. He will go down in history as one of the greatest American disgraces during this period along with his other buddies. The “anti patriots”.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pmPerle: The sky is not blue. It’s simply wrong. I’ve seen the evidence.
NPR: But that has been discredited by every human being that can see.
PERLE: Well, I simply think that’s wrong. I’ve looked at the evidence and have come to a different conclusion.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:44 pmRichard Norman Perle, (born September 16, 1941 in New York City), is an American political advisor and lobbyist who worked for the Reagan administration as an assistant Secretary of Defense and worked on the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee from 1987 to 2004. He was Chairman of the Board from 2001 to 2003 under the Bush Administration.
He is a member of several conservative think-tanks, such as Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the Hudson Institute, and (as a resident fellow) the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research. He is also a Patron of the Henry Jackson Society. Perle has written extensively on a number of issues; his cited research interests including defense, national security and the Middle East.
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November 13th, 2006 at 3:45 pmahhhh, you forget: the cult of republicanism lives in a different world; a world where Hussein and al qeada are inseparable (even to this day), there were and are WMDs in Iraq, Iran is ready to blow the world up with nukes, and rick santorum doesn’t wear flaming pink ties with vivid powder blue suits.
the neocon’s motto: “reality stops here!”
November 13th, 2006 at 3:46 pm.
Ummm…Fredric? Richard Perle is Jewish.
Stop jerking that knee. He’s an ass, and religion doesn’t have a damned thing to do with it.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:46 pmBush can call/label everyone/anyone a terrorist…I think Perle is parsing his words here.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:48 pmAnd apparently, we’re just supposed to trust ya there, big Dick? Because you’ve earned our trust sooooo many times in the past?
Jackass.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:49 pmNo, you don’t understand!
He’s seen THE evidence!
Just like Karl Rove had THE maths!
November 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pm“The “anti patriotsâ€.”
Are you talking about the neocons, or the New York J-E-T-S JETS, JETS, JETS?
Go Jets!
November 13th, 2006 at 3:51 pmTo quote a REAL patriot, John Murtha: “Just ’cause they say it, doesn’t mean it’s so”.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:52 pmanything to get the money to buy a sandwich
November 13th, 2006 at 3:53 pmUsing Perle’s logic, General Musharref of Pakistan has ties to al Queda because of al Queda’s presence in Pakistan.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:54 pm“There were numerous links between Iraqi intelligence and various terrorist organizations, including al Qaeda. Those have been documented. And I frequently hear people say that there’s no evidence. It’s simply wrong. I’ve seen the evidence.”…..RP
“Most people, it seems now, are saying that Saddam didn’t have any serious connection with terrorists”…..AS
******Thanks, Amanda, for the transcript! So Interviewer Andrea contends Saddam had non-existent, benign or a SEMI-serious relationship “with terrorists”? Yep – this sure is “breaking news” – reiterating and SOLID evidence that Perle is wrong…..[sarcasm offfff]
November 13th, 2006 at 3:54 pmYou shouldn’t believe everything you think, Richard.
He as much as anyone else in the Neo-con club is responsible for the war in Iraq. I hope his mind is tormented and tortured for the rest of his sad, stupid and pointless life. He is merely trying to rationalize being such an idiot and thinking such a moronic foray into Iraq would end up as anything other than an unspeakable disaster.
Rot in Hell and historical obscurity Richard Pearle.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:55 pmThanks Solitairy – JUST because Lefty’s SWEAR there are no WMD’s doesn’t make it so…..As my dear mother used to say, “Feelings aren’t facts…”
November 13th, 2006 at 3:57 pmThe dean of neoconservatism speaks from his home in Provence, France. The Iraq war had nothing to do with democracy, it now seems. And yes, France.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:01 pmwell, i give up. no one wants to discuss fundamentals here anymore… the progressive movement will get sucked into the democratic party of moderation in all things and will not become a sufficient wall against the enemy party. there is no voice of the ‘real’ opposition to the fundamental tenets of the bush crime family.
until the progressives frame the terms of the debate about key issues and tenets to oppose the basis of the enemy party, we will at best chip away at the edges and gain tiny insignificant victories such as the election is turning out to be.
simple things such as stating what terrorism is and how truly insignificant it is to the people of this country would be a good start, but, no one has the balls or the intellect or the significant stage to do so.
for purposes of perle, for example, the more fundamental question would be, ’so what???’. what harm could saddam hussein have done to this country that is greater than the harm that has been done to this country by the bush crime family???’ ask perle the series of questions you can find here.
so, we sit here, swat at silly imbred trolls that pop up throughout the day, talk about bush’s poll numbers and the lies and deceptions at the perimeter, but, there is no significant depth or outrage, and worse yet, no action is taken…the ball is not pushed forward, and one day goes into the next and the enemy party continues to win, because they go unchallenged…
as long as we dilly-dally over what saddam knew or didn’t know or what he had or didn’t have, we are missing the opportunity to go deeper. richard perle and the rest of these extremists are completely meaningless; the damage to this country, while we are looking the other way, is not.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:02 pmFrom my “Sickopedia”:
“Wisdom of Perle” is a depository of knowledge in the World of Mass Denial, a mythological place of distortion, fantasy, and wishful thinking, where any pundit with a pen, a computer, or a microphone can engage in mental masturbation to the point of neo-orgasm without guilt or consequence.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:03 pmAnd Donald Rumsfeld had ties with Saddam!
By this scumbag terrorist’s god damned illogic, his own boss Donald Rumsfeld is also a terrorist — which he is but not just because Rumsfeld negotiated with Saddam for the procurement of blistering agents and the very weapons of mass destruction that the US sold Saddam to use against Iran.
> Fredric? Richard Perle is Jewish.
God damn him anyway! If he’s going to act like a Christian, god damn it, I’ll label him a fu*king Christian.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:03 pmSO now you are calling dubya a liar when he says there were no WMDs?
Bahahahhahaaaaa!!
But you believed him before!!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:04 pmis there anyone actually listening to this drivel anymore? Oh yes there is….the ubiquitous 30 per centers that interminably support Bush regardless of his monstrous failures.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:07 pmHuh, what a strange twist, I agree, if they, cons, can revise the dictionary, as they do history, then why Perle is an Atheist!
And MA is a monbiot!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:07 pmMA bad news, we have decide to re-label you. You are now a ‘terrust’ =]
November 13th, 2006 at 4:08 pmRichard Perle is Jewish.
i’d say he’s a zionist!!!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:08 pmI wonder if Perle etc… actually believe in the lies. It is surreal that they repeat the same tired mantra. Why do we waste time discussing it when the entire world knows they are all lying. What does this make us? How great would it be if we all just laughed in the idiots face upon hearing the same ridiculous rhetoric?
November 13th, 2006 at 4:09 pmWell you should have listened to dear ol mum when you started being an apologetic for politicians and enabling their feelings!!!
Such as Dubyas ‘Gut Instinct”!!!
Hahhahahahaaa!!!
Hey MA is a GUT INSTINCT also a feeling?!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAAA!!!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:10 pmHes a Liberal!!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:11 pmPerle is more like a male version of Judy Miller, just show them some words on a piece of paper and it’s truth!!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:13 pm#32
lol…….ok hes a zionist liberal!!! lol
November 13th, 2006 at 4:13 pmDay late and dollar short, Perlie! Your spin is crap and everyone knows it. You fool no one.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:16 pmIt’s all Orwellian….lies are truth, freedom is war, fiction is fact….and the moon is made of cream cheese!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:17 pmjames risser,
I agree 100%. The democrats gave up on election day and the media (republicans) are taking advantage of it.
Instead of getting up on TV and telling the world that we received a mandate from the voters that change need to happen in a big way, Nancy Pelosi stood up and said “Can’t we all just get along”
I don’t want to get along. I have been called everything from a terrorist to a devil worshiper by the fricken right wing trolls here. I don’t want nor care to make friends with any of these people. They should go to jail for supporting the criminals in Washington.
The fact that Pelosi only wants to work together just proves my point that Washington is not blue or red, it is purple, just like the cover of Time.
I have even read some of the regular posters here say we should try and work together.
I have been working my ass off for six years to get our voice back. Now that the Democrats have it back, they are backing down.
I call B*llsh*t!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:18 pmFound inscribed on a law building in the World of Mass Denial:
Feelings aren’t facts.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:18 pmTerror is a feeling.
Therefore terror is not a fact.
Except when it is.
That’s a fact.
I feel.
Well whatever he is, he’s for sure damned to Hell. Scumbags!
November 13th, 2006 at 4:19 pmI suppose an alternative explanation is that (for some inexplicable reason) the Administration withheld information from the Senate committee.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:20 pmMA;”Mom my head feels empty”
MAMOM; “Feelings are not facts”
MA; “Mom I think my head is empty”
MAMOM; “Opinions are not facts”
MA; “I trepanated myself, My head IS empty”
MAMOM: “Reality is not facts”
MA ‘Mom, my head sounds hollow”
MAMOM; “Sound is not fact”
MA; “Look See it’s Empty”
MAMOM; “Nothingness is not a fact”
MA; “I give up, Im gonna get a job where facts don’t matter. I am gonna grow up and be a troll!!”
November 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmMr. Risser,
Do you have any suggestions?
Not being a journalist, the best thing I can think of doing is keeping those emails and letters heading to our representatives.
But that doesn’t seem like a whole lot…
November 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmAnother neocon liar reaching back into the old bag of thoroughly disproven lies to repeat and repeat again.
The 911 comission investigated this bullshit.
They found it to be —- bullshit.
Richard Perle has never been right about ANYTHING!!!
They’ll probably have Bill Cristal repeat this crap tomorrow just to change things up. He’s also never been right about ANYTHING.
That’s all they have left now. Old recycled lies told by old recycled liars which their own base won’t even buy anymore. The same failed policies plod along with only an occassional name change to disguise the depth of their failure.
We work today for the 2008 election. It looks like a landslide already.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmSlow down there FLR, you are going to have an aneurism. Screaming like a lunatic is only going to make you look like a fool. And don’t just spew nonsense thinking that by it finding print, in this case digital, that it will gain a life of credibility. As mighty aphrodite exemplifies, constantly posting or broadcasting asinine assertions and positions does not magically make you an expert. Except to the ignorant that is.
And for those who would suggest that Cokie Roberts was able to successfully implement such a strategy, keep in mind that she had a politically famous and powerful (read “marker holderâ€) father. We all know how beneficial that can be in that it allowed for the most incompetent horse’s ass on the planet, GWB, to be elected your president.
As far as mr. perle is concerned, he is an evil bag of putrid methane who enjoys murder and manipulation and probably uses such to compensate for some serious sexual shortcomings. That’s his problem. Hopefully you americans are getting wise to him and his ilk and will dismiss them and never again allow them to steal your reins and lead you down the black hole of moral (and fiscal) failure.
As for mighty aphrodite, let it dissipate into the wind like the bad odor that it truly is. There are far too many roses on this planet to enjoy so there’s no need to sniff at the dung heaps like m.a. and perle.
Peace.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:27 pmSlight correction.
Prince of Darkness Perle is Jewish, as are Feith, Kristol and most of the others at PNAC (Project for the New American Century).
Majority of them work for, or are in advisory capacity to AEI (American Enterprise Institue) a neo-conservative cabal.
They all support, and are supported by AIPAC (America Israel Political Action Committee) the largest lobbying group in Washington and the most influential. AIPAC’s sole purpose is to influence US political establishment in favor of Israel’s policies and views on the Middle East.
Ehud Ohlmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, is currently in Washington to discuss Iran, Iraq and Middle East, barely a week after the Democrat uprising,
I hope this puts, Perle’s position in perspective for you. Off course I agree with you he is full of shit.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:28 pmWhen a claim is made – such as Saddam has WMDs which pose a threat to the US and it’s allies – it is up to the claimant to prove said claim. It is not up to the “lefty’s” to prove it wrong. Regardless, most people understand you cannot prove a negative so such a statement isn’t logical.
It’s up the fools in the administration who made the claims (and acted on them) to prove them. As far as I can tell they have ceased to even try and it’s only the idiotic zealots who still cling to the hope the WMDs will one day be ‘found.’
November 13th, 2006 at 4:29 pmWMD’s. What freakin’ year is it? That ship sailed a long time ago Pearly necklace. Keep trying to justify your war you sorry sack. The war is about empire and nothing else.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:39 pmPerle is the only one intererested in what he hinself has to say.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:39 pmIt was reported this morning that Israel wanted to talk to Bush about the possibility that the U.S. may talk to Iran and Syria after all.
Apparently, Israel is concerned about this and does not approve.
My response was – SO WHAT?!?!
We cannot let up on anyone. Israel is still talking about attacking Iran.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:39 pmP.S. AIPAC has WAY too much influence on American policy-making. I guess that’s what a load of cash will do…
November 13th, 2006 at 4:40 pmYes, and now Bush is chiming in for the world to “isolate” Iran. PNAC still rules, folks.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:44 pmPerle, who was an academic who whose prominent father-in-law passed away and left him his contact list, and who’s probably done his most strenuous labor on the phone scheduling a visit by the pool boy, has outlived his cred. Poor baby.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:48 pmAs my dear mother used to say, “Feelings aren’t facts…â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite
By all means, then, show us the Facts of where WMDs are and not your feelings MA.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:48 pmI agree with Spudge. The Democrats haven’t learned anything if they think the neocons are going to play nice now.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:51 pmargaret – I have a sneaking feeling you wouldn’t care ALL that much if Israel ceased to exist….
November 13th, 2006 at 4:51 pmMighty A: “feelings aren’t facts…”
I agree. I’m reminded of how conservatives seem to always have the feeling that republicans are better on the budget when the facts show democrats are.
An oldie but a goodie:
“A year from now, I’d be surprised if there’s not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush.”
— Richard Perle, 9-22-03
November 13th, 2006 at 4:52 pmDear Wayne – I have no facts of where they ARE NOW…(that usually happens when one moves and hides something…)
November 13th, 2006 at 4:53 pmMighty A: “Ask the Kurds and the Iranians if WMD’s EVER existed…”
As you must be aware, the Kurds and Iranians were gassed during a period when Saddam was our ally. In fact, we sold him the gas.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:55 pmOh, OK!!! Sorry about that, Perle. Now I don’t have to think about this anymore. I’ll be sure and get my letter of apology sent today to George Bush. How could I ever have thought differently? Whew!
Glad that’s over…
November 13th, 2006 at 4:57 pmargaret – I have a sneaking feeling you wouldn’t care ALL that much if Israel ceased to exist….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Are sneaking feelings ones that can be facts?
November 13th, 2006 at 4:58 pmPrince of Darkness Perle is Jewish,—pissed off
You can stop the racist bull now.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:58 pmIf you post racist crap again, I for one will ignore all your posts whether they have any merit or not.
If there was evidence, Mr. Perle, where is it?
November 13th, 2006 at 4:58 pmAsk the Kurds how many of them died when Sr promised to help them then abandoned them. [250,000]
Ask Sr how many helicopters were sold to and used by Saddam to gas those Kurds. Ask Saddam what Rummy promised as he shook his hand while looking at the Aqaba pipeline.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:58 pmMA do you think us goyim?
November 13th, 2006 at 4:59 pmI have a sneaking feeling you wouldn’t care ALL that much if Israel ceased to exist….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 13, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
What a hypocrite! You’re supporting an attempt to erase Iraq. You have no right to judge anyone else.
Frankly, the world might be a lot better off if countries ceased marking off arbitrary boundaries and then fighting over them or because of them.
November 13th, 2006 at 4:59 pmIs it too late to add Perle to the list of war criminals being pursued in the about-to-be-filed case in Germany?
November 13th, 2006 at 5:00 pmI have no facts of where they ARE NOW…(that usually happens when one moves and hides something…)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 13, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
You also have no facts of them ever existing.
But let’s say that they did. And the United States Army was attacking you. You would hide them? Please. No you wouldn’t. You would use them to defend yourself – or atleast seek revenge, because that is their culture.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:02 pmMighty A: “I have no facts of where they ARE NOW”
Yes, we know. As usual. But, you do have feelings.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:02 pmIsrael? Israel has never seen Alqaeda as a threat!
Besides, I don’t live in Israel. We have supported them long enough, They need to stand on their own.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:02 pm(that usually happens when one moves and hides something…)— MA
See no facts.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:03 pmYour Feelings are they were possibly moved.
Feelings are not facts, by even your own words.
FLR,
And mighty aphrodite, as if on cue, pops up to prove my point. It asks:
Dear B – Ask the Kurds and the Iranians if WMD’s EVER existed
Of course the Kurds and Iranians will tell you that they most assuredly existed, and they had the flag of the USA emblazoned all over them.
But that’s not the point now is it? mighty aphrodite will spend the rest of the day attempting to spin its “feelings” as facts. You see, m.a. doesn’t even respect or honor its own mother. Enough said there.
Congratulations on your elections victory all. Now, don’t be fooled again and don’t get complacent (oh yeah, and get the f**k out of Iraq!). The world cannot afford any more of your shenanigans.
May peace be with us all.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:03 pmAre sneaking feelings ones that can be facts?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — November 13, 2006 @ 4:58 pm
Slammed!
November 13th, 2006 at 5:04 pmDo you understand that it’s the fundies that want to see the jewish people [2/3 of them] to die so the Xians can go to heaven?
What is it with you people that want to secure Israel and at the same time destroy it for armageddon and the messiah?
November 13th, 2006 at 5:09 pm#21 – “simple things such as stating what terrorism is and how truly insignificant it is to the people of this country would be a good start, but, no one has the balls or the intellect or the significant stage to do so.”
James Risser
*******Dear Progs and Progettes – Re-read the “contribution” above again – you might start to understand why many moderates and conservatives have come to the conclusion that TOO many of YOU are anti-Semites who are weak when it comes to dealing with terrorist enemies.
Dear James – 9/11 was NOT insignificant to my cousin who worked at Cantor-Fitzgerald or my cousin who lost her huband when Hezbollah killed over 200 Marines in Lebanon. You are despicable…..
November 13th, 2006 at 5:09 pmBack to the “I just know it” crap by Cheney and guys like Perle.
Well I “just know” several people are guilty of war crimes, war profiteering, and only care about how much money they can steal from taxpayers.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI have a sneaking feeling Mighty is probably a lot nicer when not hiding behind a keyboard.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:13 pmThis fat old bastard is pegging my lyingbastardometer again!
November 13th, 2006 at 5:13 pmHe ought to haul his decrepit carcass off to Baghdad to double check his facts. He can stay at the Sunni Side motel outside the Green Zone.
Sneaky feelings sneaking around
November 13th, 2006 at 5:16 pmReplacing facts that cannot be found
Precious little wishes
Tasty little dishes
Feeding the trolls pound by pound
Your angry at the Saudi Terrorists and taking your anger out on the world and your angry at God, and America, and you blame everyone but the ones whom did this. You are gonna eat yourself from the inside out MA if you don’t quit it, come to terms with your GOd, and find closure.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:16 pmmighty aphrodite,
What is despicable is that you feel that the murder of 600,000 plus brown people is justifiable because of your anger and self-hate.
You dishonor your cousin’s memory by sanctioning the murder of innocents just to feed your rage.
May you find peace, but not at the expense of the honor of the dead or the lives of the innocents.
Peace.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:22 pmMA – do you think that Israel should be telling the U.S. how to behave in regards to Iran and Syria?
Israel is just one of our allies but it seems to pretty much be the only one who gets to tell us what to do.
At this rate Israel will be our ONLY ally.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:24 pm9/11 was NOT insignificant to my cousin who worked at Cantor-Fitzgerald or my cousin who lost her huband when Hezbollah killed over 200 Marines in Lebanon. Comment by mighty aphrodite
First, I am truly sorry for these losses.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:24 pmSecond, many of us progressives do not want to see anymore Americans put into harm’s way, especially for senseless reasons.
Third, maybe you should be channeling your legitimate anger against a legitimate target and not against a progressive American political ideology.
You would think that somebody who’s cousin (if we believe them) was killed during the 9/11 attack (amazing that they have never mentioned it here before) would be really pissed at the Saudis for not stopping the madrases in Saudi Arabia, which lead to the Saudi born and trained terrorists from crashing into a building that their cousin was in (if we believe they had skin in the game).
How does Iraq fit into that argument?
November 13th, 2006 at 5:24 pmMA It’s been pretty well established that the missing WMD were destroyed back in the original go around with the UN. At least in the reality based world that is. However, since you are a neo-con republican who does not dwell in reality we can play the game of WMD’s existing. Now it becomes a question of incompetence on the part of the Bush administration. Rumsfeld mentioned that he knew where the WMD’s were (in and around Tikrit) I also believe that administration members made reference to WMD’s being staged in palm groves south of Baghdad for use against US forces. President Bush also talked of the chemical labs in north east Iraq (Kurdish territory, under US no-fly protection at the time). There were many other specific references to the WMD and knowing where they were located etc… The incompetence part comes into play with how they lost track of these things that they knew where they were.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:25 pmMighty Aphrodite, stomps her feet, clenches her fists and, tears in her eyes, exclaims “you’re all anti-semites!! She’s clearly having a bad day, poor thing.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:26 pm(amazing that they have never mentioned it here before)
Comment by SpudgeBoy — November 13, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Just like his dead child he’d never once mentioned until it suited his argument. Typical MA, make up crap on the fly…
I don’t believe it.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:34 pm#60 – “As you must be aware, the Kurds and Iranians were gassed during a period when Saddam was our ally. In fact, we sold him the gas. ”
– Comment by Bluedog49
******Dear BluePuppy-0 – - Not ONLY am I aware we supported Saddam by selling him weaponry of all kinds – I EVEN KNOW WHY – which is apparently a tad ahead of your learning curve….(Hint: Saddams’ war with our sworn enemy, Iran…)
November 13th, 2006 at 5:35 pm• Respect other Bloggers — please do not threaten, insult, abuse, intimidate or harass other Blog users.
think progress: is there any legitimate reason why certain trolls are not banned from this blog and continue to day in and day out abuse the ‘terms of use’ agreement???
if you are not going to ban these silly roaches, one who is quite evident in this thread, then i can only assume it is open season and that rule does not apply?? if so, i can definitely ruin the days of the trolls that attack me first. if it is chaos you want, and not a serious discussion of the issues, please let us know. if not, then please clarify the issue by banning such nonsense before it reaches that point.
thank you…
November 13th, 2006 at 5:35 pmMA is a dishonest c**t, and a lawyer, just like Star Jones. Everyone, please join in the effort to ignore her tripe-and-drivel show completely, so that she’ll finally go find someone else to bother.
Perle is a remarkable, lying, sack of sh*t, and some charges should be found to indict him on. The evidence he refers to must be email from Cheney that “says so, so it must be true”. I guess one could argue that, because he’s not completely disavowing his prewar position, as many of his ilk now are, he is somehow a notch above them, but the septic tank is the septic tank, whether you’re at the bottom or the top.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:36 pm9/11 was NOT insignificant to my cousin who worked at Cantor-Fitzgerald or my cousin who lost her huband when Hezbollah killed over 200 Marines in Lebanon.
You are despicable…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 13, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
What is truly despicable is your use of a fake tragedy in your fake family to elicit empathy. Kind of like when you made a flippant joke -several months ago- about the death of one of your children.
I didn’t believe you then, and I don’t believe you now.
All these months spewing your hate for Muslims and you never once gave the slightest insight as to the source of all your anger. Now, all of the sudden and without being prompted, you make this startling revelation?
You are really beyond redemption.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:38 pmAddendum to 96
Unless, of course, you are treating YOUR feelings as facts or are making up feelings because you have no facts. Then, my empathy will just hit a brick wall. But at least I have the empathy to send.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:38 pm#95 – “MA – do you think that Israel should be telling the U.S. how to behave in regards to Iran and Syria?” Comment by Margaret
********Margaret – WHERE do you get your info from? I think the last thing Israel instructed the US on was Kosher dietary laws during State visits.
What is your opinion of Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran? One more thing, please tell me you’re an ex-pat…..
November 13th, 2006 at 5:43 pmMighty A: “Not ONLY am I aware we supported Saddam by selling him weaponry of all kinds – I EVEN KNOW WHY”
Then why are you using this as an argument supporting an invasion of the country 14 YEARS LATER as a response to these weapons which were destroyed in the first gulf war? It’s absurd. And why are you yammering on about someone dying in the 9-11 attack when you know damn good and well that no Iraqi had anything to do with it?
November 13th, 2006 at 5:46 pmAnd you approve of that? Lets Pretend that these groups have no names, and they are just people.
Group A sells group B WMD
Group B gasses Group C with WMD
Group D attacks a large city
Group A attacks group B for the Actions of Group D
Group D [no reprisals against]
MA blames group D but attacks Group C
Group C wars with Group A for attacking Group C
Group C divides into C1, C2, and C3.
Group C1 and C2 fight A
See how stupid this is??
November 13th, 2006 at 5:47 pmMA, while I would not be surprised, I hope your not claiming the end justifies the means.
As for your Family loss, my condolences, I knew victims in Cantor Fitzgerald too.
Back On Topic: You seem to feel that Not presenting proof of WMD’s in existence after the 1st Gulf War or links to Terrorists is acceptable. Frankly, your “JUST because Lefty’s SWEAR there are no WMD’s doesn’t make it so” statement doesn’t make a lot of sense for so many reasons, not the least of which is It can be applied to you in reverse. It was incumbent upon the President to provide any proof.
Did he? No, her merely made excuses.
If such Evidence actually existed, it was way past time to show it on November 7th.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:49 pmSponge CAke – I have mentioned my cousin from the WTC several times – because you don’t read EVERY post on EVERY thread, I might not expect you to know that. As for my cousin’s husband, I have mentioned more often that I come from a family with a wide military history and that particular fact on more than one occasion…You’re excused….
November 13th, 2006 at 5:50 pmWhat does a military family history have to do with a group of Saudi thugs flying a plane into the WTC??
November 13th, 2006 at 5:55 pmmargaret
#42
Mr. Risser,
Do you have any suggestions?
greetings. well, one thing that immediately comes to mind as i look over the 80 or so posts between your question and this response, is to not lose sight of the reason blogs such as this one are essential to creating a truthful dialogue among this community that focuses on the faults of the enemy. but, what invariably happens, is some disease-ridden cretin vomits in our general direction and everyone goes on troll-patrol. so, a big first step would be to ignore these pungent bags of feces that pollute these threads and continue proper dialougue.
we could also come to some conclusions about this silliness they call ‘terrorism’ and determine if it is a larger threat to our side than is the bush crime family. i suggest that what they call terrorism is insignificant. progressove ought to have other concerns about what is wrong with this country. ironically, terrorism is merely a technique of using fear and the threat of attack–something that has been perfected by the bush crime family against american citizens!
we could refuse to compromise and find certain behaviour unacceptable. compromising with the enemy will not get us where we want to be. it is unacceptable of nancy pelosi to not hold impeachment hearings. it is against her constitutional duties and her oath of office to selectively decide what parts of the constitution she will enforce.
we could be much much stronger in our rhetoric by strongly denouncing the enemy. not everything is a parliamentary debate…to appease the enemy by treating them with the respect you would give someone who really deserves it is not fair to yourself and to the cause.
there are many things we could do and should do…
November 13th, 2006 at 5:58 pmOkay lets say I capture those dead guys that brought about the demise of your loved ones, that I pullewd them out of their Martyrdom and brought them before you and gave you a gun, would you kill them?
And if you did, would it bring back those you lost? Would becoming a barbarian make you happy? Bring you closure?
November 13th, 2006 at 5:59 pmAnd, Mighty A, about your cousin. Talk to the f*cking Saudis and Pakistanis.
November 13th, 2006 at 5:59 pm****My congratulations to Mr. Risser, He sounds like a VERY civilized anti-Semite……(On a personal note, Maggie, with soooo much in common this could be the guy for you!!)
*****Tommy B. Can’t you come up with anything more original than c**t? Unless of course, you were just released from jail – when I have to stop by the Metropolitan Correction Center – you hear THAT word alot. (No offense, but you seem to be about the same caliber…)
“I didn’t believe you then, and I don’t believe you now.” Greggrrr Samsa
November 13th, 2006 at 6:13 pm*******And I should care what YOU believe because? So what…
“All these months spewing your hate for Muslims and you never once gave the slightest insight as to the source of all your anger.”
*******I don’t hate Muslims – I HATE Islamic terrorists and barbarians. I hate them for more than a personal vendetta. Given any opportunity that Progs will try to secure for them, THEY will do their best to destroy us.
Re #112 – Dear Mr Risser – You write, “you would give someone who really deserves it is not fair to yourself and to the cause.”
Would you please define the cause?
November 13th, 2006 at 6:16 pmActually I read nearly every post and I have been on this blog for years. You have never mentioned it. Considering that you are a gasbag filled with hate for terrorists, one would think that you would mention it from time to time.
But, more importantly you are completely ignoring the fact that the terrorists are SAUDI ARABIAN.
I know you want to attack me as the messenger, but the important part of the post was about the fact that the 9/11 terrorists were SAUDI ARABIAN.
Poodles…
November 13th, 2006 at 6:17 pmSee how stupid this is??
Comment by Dog_named_Boo — November 13, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
Don’t waste your time.
It is easier to get water out of a rock, than a coherent argument out of MA.
Others in this thread already have pointed out the many flaws in her reasoning (supporting the Iraq invasion for having the very same technology the US facilitated them is just the start).
November 13th, 2006 at 6:22 pmAnd I should care what YOU believe because? So what…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 13, 2006 @ 6:13 pm
Er, I don’t know, and I also don’t care. I posted that comment for others to know you for the bald-faced liar, narcissistic character that you are.
I don’t hate Muslims
Oh, so I guess you advocated racial profiling of Arabs/Muslims at airports, and wanted them to be singled out for searches because you care for them so much.
I HATE Islamic terrorists and barbarians. I hate them for more than a personal vendetta.
Is that why you wanted to have segregated flights for Muslims/Arabs? Because this is not a personal vendetta?
As usual, you make little sense. Go peddle your prejudice elsewhere.
November 13th, 2006 at 6:27 pmMighty A: “Given any opportunity that Progs will try to secure for them, THEY will do their best to destroy us.”
As you said, don’t confuse feelings with facts. You have the feeling that progs “secure opportunities” for Islamic terrorists, but the facts show a different story. Osama bin Laden had demands. He wanted all U.S. military bases out of Saudi Arabia. Bush did that for him. He wanted the secular dictator of Iraq removed from office. Bush did that for him. He hoped America’s defenses would be down for his attack on 9-11. Bush did that for him. And, after all, he needed a new recruiting tool. Bush’s war in Iraq has been the best recruiting tool he’s ever had.
I know you have a feeling that progs are good for terrorists. The facts show a different story.
November 13th, 2006 at 6:28 pmGood Lord! Since the gop/ bushco has no trouble getting their talking points highlighted/headlined by the MSM, does anyone actually believe that any real evidence of a Saddam/Al Qaeda connection would not have made banner headlines for weeks??
November 13th, 2006 at 6:43 pmWhy is it that anyone involved in the Bush administration can’t accept facts? They don’t “buy” it, they “can’t accept that”, they “come to a different conclusion.” Is there something in their brains that rejects reality?
November 13th, 2006 at 6:50 pmJane: “Why is it that anyone involved in the Bush administration can’t accept facts?”
I think it’s because, for them, dogma trumps facts.
November 13th, 2006 at 6:58 pmIs there something in their brains that rejects reality?
Comment by JaneESchneider — November 13, 2006 @ 6:50 pm
Yes, it is called imperial hubris, arrogance-induced delusion, self-imposed ignorance, or pathological disregard for the facts.
Also known as the Mighty Aphrodite Syndrome, for short ;-)
November 13th, 2006 at 7:01 pmSome people cannot deal with defeat, and embarrassment at being so wrong, so they become delusional.
November 13th, 2006 at 7:20 pmAhh yes, Mighty is gracing us with more history of Democrats’ problems. Hey at least you know your history.
November 13th, 2006 at 7:33 pmMighty: “Just like it was incumbent on President Clinton (who along with Hillary, John Kerry, Ted the Swimmer, et al) believed there were WMD’s which required a regime chande in 1998. (Pssst….I believe Bush, Clinton etc. were relying on the same info…..)”
Pssst… Clinton didn’t invade Iraq and get us mired in this quagmire. He didn’t see the need to invade Iraq as long as sanctions and no-fly zones were working. And don’t tell anyone, but the idea that everyone was looking at the same intelligence has been debunked about a thousand times. And, quiet about this… there were no Iraqis in the “magnificent 19.”
November 13th, 2006 at 7:36 pmhehehe – MA goes down to the jail to visit all her gop wife-beater child-molester bribe-taker heroes!! what a proud group that is, and growing larger every day. maybe MA could make it her mission of mercy to give herself, conjugally, to those unfairly incarcerated heroes, as to restore their former swagger and confidence, that they might be parolled, and return to the glory of leadership. MA, those robust examples of manhood could surely give you more masculine aggression and domination than you’ll ever be able to find here.
November 13th, 2006 at 7:38 pm“Ted the swimmer”?????!!!!!
Hey Mighty. We’re talking about a 33-year old traffic accident. One of these days you’re going to have to let go of that one. That is unless you want to start talking about Laura Bush killing her own boyfriend while driving drunk.
November 13th, 2006 at 7:38 pmPresident Bush’s wax likeness is taking a thumpin’ these days at Madame Tussaud’s celebrity waxworks in Las Vegas.
Bush’s head suffered about $25,000 in damages when a Madame Tussaud’s visitor attacked it the day before last week’s elections.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Nov-12-Sun-2006/news/10784925.html
November 13th, 2006 at 7:44 pmHey Mighty, Teddy gets a B from Iraq and Afganistan Veterans of America for his voting record. What does your favorite republican lawmaker get from them? Kerry got a B+ and Hillary got a B. I’m sure your favorite republican lawmakers did just as well. They do “support the troops” after all.
November 13th, 2006 at 7:44 pmHey Pearle, show us the Evidence!!!!!
November 13th, 2006 at 7:45 pmWords are just BS.
He probably can”t because it is BS.
Sorry, Mr. Risser. I’m just as big an offender as those three… that is unless you’re referring to me as the pile.
November 13th, 2006 at 7:54 pmWow, that’s a lot of inbreeding. Did you help? Or was it just uncle dad?
November 13th, 2006 at 7:55 pmblue,
you know you aren’t…i just didn’t go through and put every one on the list…
November 13th, 2006 at 8:01 pmRisser – this is a blog, not the floor of Congress. We are citizens, not elected officials or think-tankers. I agree completely with your concerns, but the truth is, no matter how seriously we choose to take this forum, no matter how assiduously we link to support our positions, there will be no policy intiatives derived from these discussions. No legislation will result from the debate, whether it is of the “high-road” or the low. Try to keep it in perspective. I save my best for the letters I write to my elected officials, and come here for comeraderie and entertainment, and somehow it all works out just fine.
November 13th, 2006 at 8:02 pmPerle gets his facts straight from Exley, who gets his from Winston Smith.
Saddam did have ties to terrorists. As noted above, he had ties to Rumsfeld, as well as Reagan, Bush I, and Bush the Lesser.
And in other news, the Bush Administration announced today that the suspects held in Guantanamo have no rights whatsoever, neither under U.S. Law nor under International Law. In essence, they have been given a life sentence without possibility of parole, without ever being given so much as a hearing.
November 13th, 2006 at 8:04 pmDear James – 9/11 was NOT insignificant to my cousin who worked at Cantor-Fitzgerald or my cousin who lost her huband when Hezbollah killed over 200 Marines in Lebanon. You are despicable…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 13, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
And you hate Jimmy Carter and Clinton- If you were the least bit sane it would be Regan and GWBush the two POTUS in charge when those events happened. Therefore, Your a lying piece of $hit as always. Of all the low life trolls that post here you have set a standard no one could fall under. Most likely your a freak of nature. Is your cousin who lost her husband one of those women Anne Coulter pointed out has never been so happy having her husband killed in that attack? How rich is she now?? Any movie or book deals in the works??
November 13th, 2006 at 8:08 pmWow! MA has 51 cousins-His weekends must be so full of family and friends. Do the parties ever end?
November 13th, 2006 at 8:21 pmNow there is something a guy would never sa…oh wait I forgot about BORe =]
November 13th, 2006 at 8:30 pm#136 – “Pssst… Clinton didn’t invade Iraq and get us mired in this quagmire.” Comment by Bluedawg
*******No, and he didn’t do MUCH about bin Laden, either….Like all good admiralty law professors, he treated WTC1 as a law enforcement issue. So please don’t lecture anyone on the effective strategy of Dem terror policies – they don’t exist….
November 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pmBeg pardon… how many of them led an invasion and occupation on this premise? Most people would like to see regime change in a lot of places yet manage to avoid unprovoked war.
Oh, but cowboy diplomacy is so much more FUN…
Wow, imagine that, 27 happy couples in one family.
November 13th, 2006 at 8:42 pm#154 – “And you hate Jimmy Carter and Clinton-…” JoeDay
*****Thank you for arrogantly telling me how I FEEL!! To correct you, I don’t hate either one – although I DESPISE Carter’s anti-American policies. I actually thought Mr. Bill was quite a good President – who just couldn’t keep Mr. Willie in his pants. My cousin’s widow and their two children are fine- she comes from a wonderful family. Although she disagrees with the Jersey Girls, she is very low key and respects their views. Her finances are none of my business – or yours…..
Happy L’evening……
November 13th, 2006 at 8:45 pmMA #158
“No, and he (Clinton) didn’t do MUCH about bin Laden, either”
Umm humm. And what did Dubya do? Chase him into a cave (his natural habitat)? Champion is recruitment drive? Waste the US treasury in an unrelated sinkhole?
So, the question was about regime change in Iraq, and naturally your next response was about bin Laden in Afghanistan. Perhaps you should buy a globe for your desk.
When your boyfriend whispers sweet nothings in your ear, is there an echo?
November 13th, 2006 at 8:47 pmGorn – Neither Afghanistan or Iraq were unprovoked – I guess you skipped over the ‘Cease-Fire” is not a “cessation of hostilities” lesson….D-
November 13th, 2006 at 8:47 pm*******No, and he didn’t do MUCH about bin Laden, either….Like all good admiralty law professors, he treated WTC1 as a law enforcement issue. Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 13, 2006 @ 8:36 pm
Funny, the law-enforcement approach worked far better than invading sovereign countries for capturing, trying, convicting and sentencing the guilty parties.
Bush couldn’t even come up with enough evidence against Bin Laden to warrant extradition, which the Taliban offered. Instead, Bush ordered invasions which slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent children, women, and men. Right now, Bush is the greatest terrorist in the world. Kinda makes you proud, doesn’t it, MA?
How many suspects in Guantanamo have been tried, convicted and sentenced? None? How much have we spent going after the terrorists in a non-law enforcement manner? Billions? Trillions? You have to be insane to think Bush’s War was the better approach.
But then, it takes a certain amount of delusional thinking to pass one’s self off as an attorney.
November 13th, 2006 at 9:01 pm#163 MA
It’s so fun dueling with an armless opponent.
“Neither Afghanistan or Iraq were unprovoked – I guess you skipped over the ‘Cease-Fire†is not a “cessation of hostilities†lesson…”
Please indicate where I suggested that Afghanistan was unprovoked. The subject post (#160) was about WMDs in Iraq. I find it hard to believe someone with your inability to pay attention to detail or follow logical reasoning could be a lawyer.
As for Iraq, Saddam was quite well contained without committing our troops to a multi-year debacle with nothing to show for it but death, terrorist recuiting films, and another Islamic state in the making. So no, you are quite wrong to conclude that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was an appropriate provoked response.
To think that so many have suffered (and will suffer) thanks to short-circuit thinking like yours. Sad, really.
November 13th, 2006 at 9:02 pmMA #163
Since we’re not into incest or gay marriage I don’t think your scenario would work
Who said anything about gay marriage? Again, your response to being smacked is to change the subject, which is that a sustained high level of incest in your family is one possible explanation for your impaired mental faculties.
Indeed, you could do the world a favor by embracing gay marriage, to avoid further pollution of the gene pool.
November 13th, 2006 at 9:05 pmMA-You haver never mentioned Jimmy Carters name in a post without distorting it. Why don’t you list the things he did that showed he was “anti-American” list some bills he tried to get passed. Some links to his anti-American speeches or writings. I guess he never served in our armed forces so the Navy would never name a ‘NUK-UR-LURE” sub after him. I am sure that GWB your hero will have so many ships and planes named after him we will lose count-after all he is a true American hero.
November 13th, 2006 at 9:25 pmMr. Risser,
I am tired of cleaning up shit and have learned to ignore it to a certain extent.
November 13th, 2006 at 10:04 pmRichard you need to stop smoking that crack man!
November 13th, 2006 at 10:49 pm# 46 they need to teach a course in “right wing logic” so that us mortals can understand them. we need to use the entirety of our tiny walnut sized lefty brains to parse brilliant statements like “the abscense of evidence is not the evidence of abscense”.. gosh.. now that just leaves me wondering what exactly the “evidence of absense” would be.
lets face it… richard, dick, rummy, and whitey hermaphrodite live in a world where anything they beleive must be proven wrong before they cease to beleive it. since its nearly impossible to prove a negative…well… lets face it.. these peoples beleifs dont change much. in fact i think its safe to say that no matter how bad iraq gets, most of them will go to their graves thinking the holocaust thats going on in iraq (and that will probably spread) it better than having meanie weenie saddam in power. mark my words, it wont be long before the majority of iraqis think theyd be better off under saddam. i wish theyd take a poll now and see if im already right.
these people live in a a world where Iraq would be a new garden of Eden were it not for people like Cindy Sheehan and Murtha. they are hopelesslessy deluded that thier beleifs are correct, no matter how hard reality hits them in the face.
November 13th, 2006 at 11:16 pmall the wingnut loonies keep saying Sadaam actually had wmd. It was either secretly taken to syria, or an aillen spaceship came and spirited it away, or the evil pink bunny cameand found somewhere to hide it. blah blah.
November 13th, 2006 at 11:28 pmhttp://www.newyorker.com/printables/talk/061120ta_talk_mayer
A newly elected Democrat Congressman also said that Saddam had links to al Qaeda. From the New Yorker, hardly a neocon publication or neocon elected official.
http://www.regimeofterror.com
November 13th, 2006 at 11:59 pmMighty Aphid and Tracy (on another thread), as well as other neo-CONs love to accuse Bill Clinton and Democrats of not doing enough to prevent terror or punish the culprits. Of course, since the Oklahoma bombing was committed by a rightwinger, they always conveniently ignore the deadliest terror attack on US soil prior to 9/11. Under Clinton, not only was McVeigh of Oklahoma bombing infamy caught and tried but so were the culprits in the first bombing attempt on the World Trade Center. By comparison, what have the Busheviks done? Instead of catching Bin Laden in Afghanistan, thie president committed US troops to invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. Just a very deadly distraction, I suppose.
November 13th, 2006 at 11:59 pmWhy, who bothers taking Richard Perle seriously any more?….and why did they ever? Let this man slip into the ignonimity he so wilfully deserves.
He’s finished, when he closes his eyes he sees dead children, he used to see bank notes…. Let him go on his profiteering ways, he’ll get his eventually.
Palachio…
http://www.hyperrealpolitik.blogspot.com
November 14th, 2006 at 12:18 amIt’s our own fault if we give these ppl ie.neo cons the light of day, they should be marginalized back into the troglodyte(-right wingnut)caves they emanated from and we should laugh at them in the street.
If this was the Middle Ages we could get creative on their asses and hold them fully accountable…but alas it’s not….we’ll have to settle to public humiliation and ridicule. If you ever see this dirtbag let him know what we think of him…by laughing in his face.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:23 am#177 thank you so much for one man’s opinion unsupported by any EVIDENCE. now I know you guys dont but much credence in EVIDENCE
November 14th, 2006 at 1:01 amcut me off for some reason..
#177 thank you so much for one man’s opinion unsupported by any EVIDENCE. now I know you guys dont but much credence in EVIDENCE but some of us in the real world like to see it. Now, can you just please please explain WHY OH WHY mr Bush ISNT using whatever “evidence” these people claim to have? Why isnt Snow discussing it? Let me make it it clear, only a few deluded nutballs in the administration are still instisting on these falsities. Bush isnt. Rice isnt. Only Dick “Saddam is making nukes” Cheney and maybe Donnie “we know where the weapons are ” Rumsfeld are still making these assertions with no evidence. Lets face it, the statement “Saddam had links with EVERY terrorist group in the region” doesnt lend alot of credence to anything else this guy may say, whether hes democratic or no. There were, for example, TUrkish and Iranian groups classified as “terrorists” who were actively working to overthrow Saddam and give him grief. According to this guy your quoting he has working with those guys too, right?
these were some of the guys saddam gassed (with our gas):
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9241/
November 14th, 2006 at 1:19 am“The United States—one of Turkey’s NATO allies—lists the PKK as a foreign terrorist organization. “
177 – selective reporting. The “links” between Al Qaeda and Saddam were put at a 2.5 on a scale of 1 – 10, according to the article in your link.
I wonder what rank the links between Saddam and the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II would have been?
For that matter, what rank should be assigned to the links between Bin Laden and Reagan/Bush I/Bush II?
Just my opinion, but I believe the NeoCon’s in our government had stronger ties to Hussein and Bin Laden than those two had with each other.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:28 amShort version of Richard Perle’s rant:
Trust me.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:42 amGuys, you forget that Perle IS a government official… of the government of Israel. He has been a consultant for the Israeli government for a number of years, on and off. When he states that he’s seen evidence linking Al Qaeda and Saddam, he’s implying that Israel has evidence that the U.S. intell services are not privy to.
Perle is acting as a self-appointed Israeli agent provocateur. In his fantasy world, he is the Israeli super-spy, who will single-handedly make the U.S. do Israel’s bidding. In fact, the Israelis told Perle to go *()&(* himself when he presented them with plans to attack Iraq. But for Perle to be perceived in the U.S. as this spymeister supreme that he’s fantasized himself to be, HE CANNOT ADMIT ERROR.
Perle, just like Wolfowitz, Feith, Rumsfeld, and soon Cheney, have become completely irrelevant. Let them die in peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:02 amM.A Said:
The major difference being that Pres. Clinton didn’t get us into a war without any planning or any end in sight. (Psst! I believe that’s called Good Leadership…) Like Pres. G. H.W. Bush, Pres. Clinton probably thought that stability and people not being killed on a daily basis was a good thing. You can say they had the same intelligence (Forgive me, I’m not taking your word for it), but the bottom line is what was done with that intelligence. Pres. G.W. Bush has demonstrated an incredible knack for being incompetent and blaming others for it.
Back On Topic: Perle and his ilk (Santoram) always say they’ve “Seen” proof of Iraq’s prior links to terrorist groups but never show it.
Was Iraq a Dictatorship? Absolutely.
Did he have formal ties at a Gov’t level with Terrorist Groups? I tend to doubt it, else the evidence would have showed up by now, don’t you think?
BTW: Love the attempt to link Pres. Clinton to the Iraq War. You just can’t admit this War is all on Pres. G.W. Bush, can you?
November 14th, 2006 at 9:26 amThis one is so obvious, but, anyway, let’s take swine before Perles.
November 15th, 2006 at 3:40 amRichard Perle et al has done more harm to this country than any other group of “intellectuals” in a century. I say this as a Christian, who has never seen Perle or any other of his neocon associates in possession of ANY CHrist-like quality whatsoever. The neocons are to blame for the war in Iraq, and the closest they come to any sort of Armageddon type agenda is to spout their own brand of ridiculous paranoia in the form of PNAC – a document responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American service men and women. Unfortunately, we live in a country where folks have the “right” to be stupid, and to convince others of their lies. Has anyone noticed Dick Cheney’s been a bit quiet lately???
December 8th, 2006 at 11:44 am