hey fox!! interview this guy…here is an iraqi thrilled at the prospect. this is a quote from an interview with the iraqi minister of health:
SPIEGEL: The Republicans have lost the majority in Congress and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has resigned. Was this good news for Iraq?
Shameri: The Americans are the reason for the disaster in our country. Rumsfeld made many mistakes, and we are pleased to see him go. The Americans understand nothing about Iraq. They are not protecting us, but just themselves. The Democrats’ victory will make things easier for us.
Fortunately for FoxNews, they didn’t have to search very long for what they were looking for:
Leader of al-Qaida in Iraq Mocks Bush
Friday, November 10, 2006
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq — A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq mocked President Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war was rejected at the polls, challenging him to keep U.S. troops in the country to face more bloodshed.
The audio message appeared to be an attempt to exact maximum propaganda benefit from the results of Tuesday’s midterm elections, in which the Republicans lost control of both houses of Congress, in part because of the war.
Al-Muhajir praised the American people for handing victory to the Democrats, saying:”They voted for something reasonable in the last elections.”
Over at Huffington, this story brought the Con trolls out in force and I surprised to see they haven’t made it over here yet. Anyone who has ever seen the documentary “Outfoxed” is not surprised in the least by the wording of the memo. Pretty much all media has a bias in favor of scandal and sensationalism, but Fox ups the ante by having a Republican bias as well. Why that is not plain to those who defend it to the end is only another indication of their lemming mentality.
The propaganda would have come regardless of a Democratic or Republican victory. Had the R’s retained majority in Congress, the insurgent response would have been that the elections confirmed America is destined for its own destruction, and so on.
As it happens, I hardly believe insurgents in the planning and execution of their guerilla warfare have the background or the time to understand American political intricacies.
Oh, God, I would love to see the fax of a written “insurgent” press release! The jokes write themselves. “We applaud the victory of Flattop Tester in Montana!”
Whatever the insurgents, terrorists, militias or whatever one calls them it is beyond doubt that as long as we are occupying Iraq we remain the best recruiting tool terrorists. Of course Fox will not even discuss this issue.
Only in the parallel universe inhabited by FOX viewers would there be any acknowledgement that insurgents in Iraq would have a care about Democrats or Republicans. When bombs and guns are killing your children, what difference does it make who used them?
I feel bad for the Dems having to deal with nonstop attacks by Fox for the next two years. Much like their GOP friends, Fox will say and do anything to further their agenda, up to and including fabrication. America’s Least Wanted
The question of the day, and indeed for the rest of bush’s term, is: What’s the Dem plan for Iraq?
This sentence did strike me as odd.
Earlier today the trolls were asking the same exact question, over and over again. It’s not the first time that the trolls come to ThinkProgress with seemimgly very well prepared talking points.
I find it puzzling that the question should be found in an internal FauxNews memo… hhmmmmm…
This could be a very short live shot for Jim Angle, but he’ll try.
In other words, we can expect this talking point to be pushed by Jim Angle, who will milk it for all it’s worth.
Earlier today the trolls were asking the same exact question, over and over again. It’s not the first time that the trolls come to ThinkProgress with seemimgly very well prepared talking points.
There was a time last year they actually admitted to being paid operatives when we kept hammering on them. I think they come from IRI and I don’t mean the blogger.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/
Someone, on behalf of FOX News, reportedly gave terrorist organizations $2m that the terrorists now say they used to buy weapons to kill Israelis? FOX says “it’s possible” money was paid to terrorists? And the Bush administration, they were heavily involved in this effort to free the FOX reporters – were they aware that someone was paying off terrorists? Were they the ones who arranged the payment? This is abominable if true.
Palestinian terror groups and security organizations in the Gaza Strip received $2 million from a United States source in exchange for the release of Fox News employees Steve Centanni and Olag Wiig, who were kidnapped here last summer, a senior leader of one of the groups suspected of the abductions told WND.
The terror leader, from the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, said his organization’s share of the money was used to purchase weapons, which he said would be utilized “to hit the Zionists.”
He said he expects the payments for Centanni and Wiig’s freedom will encourage Palestinian groups to carry out further kidnappings.
Officials associated with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party and its security organization, the Preventative Security Services, confirmed to WND money was paid for the release of the Fox News reporters…. the money was used to purchase weapons.
“We used 100 percent of the money for one precise goal – our war against the Zionists,” the Committees leader said.
He said weapons purchased included rockets.
“Regarding the others (the Dugmash clan of the Committees) who received the money, I can tell you one thing is very clear – this went also to be used against the Zionists. I can’t say every cent went to buy bombs, maybe it also went to pay for salaries, smuggling, buying shelter.”….
A spokeswoman for Fox News Channel told WND she could not provide an official statement about whether Fox was aware of money paid to free its two employees.
A source at Fox told WND many parties were involved with the freedom of Centanni and Wiig, including the U.S. government, and that it was possible money was paid.
I just find it surprising more people don’t see through the pile of fallacies. How can anyone claim to know what the terrorists are thinking? Or how they will interpret an electoral victory by this or that party?
FauxNews and the Bush administration must both have an open tab with Miss Cleo.
Fox News is accused of paying millions of dollars in ransom for their kidnapped reporters.
Maybe this is how Fox News forged a relationship with Al Qaeda so that they could get on their e-mail and press release list whenever Al Qaeda needs to get their word out.
I am not mocking Bush ( well not always ) I am condeming as a hypocrite and an admitted liar, an admitted fellon. I am condemming him for admittedly getting us into the war in Iraq for oil.
Someone who is sending the wounded heros home to bankruptsy. Only some can’t even file that due to the new laws passed.
I am condemming someone that is allowing the theft of our treasury. Someone who is shreading the constitution.
I am condemming the man who as comander in chief is guilty of ordering that internationally outlawed use of incendiary weapons be used on a civillian population.
I am condeming the man who by his actions melted the skin of of children.
Democrats need to STOP going on Fox News, PERIOD. Full boycott. Just let the foaming at the mouth Republicans appear and together stew over their hatred of Democrats. That’s the only purpose of the network: stir up hatred against Dems and relentlessly smear anyone that stands in Bush’s way. Just going on the channel legitimizing their 24/7 propaganda network. It’s not worth the time or effort to appear.
U.S. Senator John McCain, Chairman
Chairman of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs
Peter T. Madigan, Vice – Chairman
Principal, Johnson, Madigan and Peck
Former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs
J. William Middendorf, II, Secretary – Treasurer
Chairman, Middendorf & Associates, Inc.
Former Secretary of the Navy
Former U.S. Ambassador to the European Community, Organization American States and the Netherlands
Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, III
Former Presidential Envoy to Iraq
Former Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorism
Former U.S. Ambassador to the Netherlands
Gahl Hodges Burt
Vice Chairman, American Academy in Berlin
Former White House Social Secretary
U.S. Representative David Dreier
Chairman of the House Committee on the Rules
Chairman of the California Republican Congressional Delegation
Lawrence S. Eagleburger
Former U.S. Secretary of State
Former U.S. Ambassador to Yugoslavia
Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr.
President and CEO of the American Gaming Association
Former Chairman of the Republican Party
Alison B. Fortier
Director, Lockheed Martin Missile Defense Programs
Former Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
Mayor James A. Garner
Former Mayor, Incorporated Village of Hempstead, New York
U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel
Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on International Economic Policy, Export, and Trade Promotion
Cheryl F. Halpern
Chairman, Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Member, Broadcasting Board of Governors [media control?]
Executive Board Member, Washington Institute for Near East Policy
William J. Hybl
Chairman and CEO of El Pomar Foundation
President Emeritus of the U.S. Olympic Committee
Former Special Counsel to the President of the United States
Dr. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Senior Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
And here we are, at the house of Ahmed Ghatcha, about to interview a known “insurgent”. Ahmed, tell us, how elated are you about the election victory of moderate democrats”?
Ahmed – How many camels are you willing to give me for this crucial information?
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, as part of the U.S. government’s Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.
The proposal was presented in a document entitled Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba,[1] a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. The document was presented by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.
actually, #22, the war on terror has NOW BEGUN, thanks to the elections. the most dangerous terrorists for americans are in the white house and we can now fight the real terrorists…
we had three victories today: the german filing of war-crimes against the bush crime family; the statement by levin that he would investigate the secret torture sites of the bush crime family; and, finally, the young white american terrorist that sent fake anthrax to keith olberman and other liberals was a frequent right-wing blogger, and had a ‘thing’ for the three she-males: coulter, malkin and ingraham has been arrested.
so those knuckle-dragging, michelle-malkin-panty-sniffing, war-criminal protecting, right wing nazis at fox were ironically correct in the last sentence of their memo…
Because of the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, too often critics misconstrue U.S. democratization policy as military in focus. During the past quarter century, over eighty countries have become democracies, yet only in five of them—Grenada, Panama, Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq—did U.S. military intervention play a role.2 These examples and the post- World War II experiences of Germany and Japan demonstrate that democratization can occur through use of force, but it is not the preferred or prevalent method.
Force IS NOT the preffered method of Democratization, but can anyone tell the BUSH and his war mongers that???
On the up side, there are always good news out there:
Jack Abramoff, the lobbyist known for lavishing politicians with football tickets or whisking them away on exotic golf junkets, will start life Wednesday with a new identity: federal inmate No. 27593-112. Abramoff to begin 6-year prison stint Wednesday
When will the other heads roll? I also wonder if FauxNews will air this one, and explain why Abramoff was tried in the first place.
fox news gave $2,000,000 to a ‘terrorist’ organization…
well, looks like the justice department has a case against fox…
18 usc 2339A
Section 2339A. Providing material support to terrorists
(a) Offense. – Whoever provides material support or resources or
conceals or disguises the nature, location, source, or ownership of
material support or resources, knowing or intending that they are
to be used in preparation for, or in carrying out, a violation of
section 32, 37, 81, 175, 229, 351, 831, 842(m) or (n), 844(f) or
(i), 930(c), 956, 1114, 1116, 1203, 1361, 1362, 1363, 1366, 1751,
1992, 1993, 2155, 2156, 2280, 2281, 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332f, or
2340A of this title, section 236 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954
(42 U.S.C. 2284), or section 46502 or 60123(b) of title 49, or in
preparation for, or in carrying out, the concealment of an escape
from the commission of any such violation, or attempts or conspires
to do such an act, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not
more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person
results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. A
violation of this section may be prosecuted in any Federal judicial
district in which the underlying offense was committed, or in any
other Federal judicial district as provided by law.
(b) Definition. – In this section, the term “material support or
resources” means currency or monetary instruments or financial
securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or
assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification,
communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances,
explosives, personnel, transportation, and other physical assets,
except medicine or religious materials.
This Propaganda crap goes straight back to Reagan.
The NED was initiated by the Reagan administration and funded by an act of Congress, yet was designated a “private†institution. This means that it and its core groups carry out foreign initiatives with public funds, free of meaningful or official oversight. Allen Weinstein, the NED’s theoretical planner, noted in a 1991 Washington Post interview, “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.†The fact is, in many respects, the NED-sponsored groups are even freer of congressional monitoring then those of their CIA predecessors.
Christian and Government Persecution of other religions on the march.
Widows seek Wiccan symbol on headstones
By SCOTT BAUER
Associated Press Writer
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Star of David is OK, as are more than a dozen variations of the Christian cross. Even the atomic whirl used by atheists gets the thumbs-up from the federal government.
But a Wiccan symbol representing earth, air, fire, water and spirit isn’t recognized by the federal government for veterans’ grave markers.
A federal lawsuit filed Monday accuses the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs of violating the constitutional rights of Wiccans because the government does not allow its symbol on headstones in national cemeteries.
————-snip———————-
Wiccans worship the Earth and believe they must give to the community. Some consider themselves “white” or good witches, pagans or neo-pagans. Approximately 1,800 active-duty service members identify themselves as Wiccans, according to 2005 Defense Department statistics.
FauxNews doesn’t get tired of aiding and abetting the terrorists:
Palestinian terror groups and security organizations in the Gaza Strip received $2 million from a United States source in exchange for the release of Fox News employees Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig [...] The terror leader, from the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, said his organization’s share of the money was used to purchase weapons, which he said would be utilized “to hit the Zionists.” Fox News reporters freed for $2 million – payment said to encourage more abductions
The source being WorldNetDaily I doubt its accuracy, but I just could not resist posting it.
I have an Associates Degree in the Science of Electronics .
Ann Coulter is a Goddess and I worship Laura Ingraham and Michele Malkin .
English is the langauge of the United States of America- – our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are written in the langauge that expresses our civilized freedoms .
Spanish is the language of Banana Republics, beyond that it belongs in a European country.
His musings;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1673525/posts
Account banned suspended.
Let us create a future of infinite possibilities devoid of the agenda of the social engineers who work their corruption on us thru the one way world of television . A world where anything is possible , but not everything is possible . Anything can happen , but not all things can happen at once . That is what ‘Time’ is for , to keep all things from happening at the same moment . That shall be the only rule of our new fantasy world . That an event happens only once . What has been done , cannot be undone . There is no turning back the sands of time . You can review the past but you cannot change the past . That a vision of a possible future – to the present , must be taken in the context of the present . A Cosmos not governed by compassion or tolerance or equality , but common sense and merit . A Universe of strange and totally new lifeforms and not distorted reflections of human characters , just to make some social allegory —- THAT is the insipid barren road of Political Correctness that Sci-fi entertainment has been a slave to for so many years . The future is not the current events of our world thrown into Outer Space . The future is not with the Liberals , not with the Multiculturalists (both hate America) , and it is certainly not to be found in some cheapo TV production made in Canada ! The future is not written , the future is unformed . . .
1 posted on 07/27/2006 6:49:44 PM PDT by marc costanzo
Heres an Insurgents post from South Korea Ha Ha Ha The Last War for Oil?
There should be no doubt that the United States has waged two Gulf wars largely, if not solely, for oil. To ensure that the Iraq war is the last Gulf war, the administration and the Democratic majority in the new Congress must work together to enact an energy-independence bill to address the root-causes of these wars and free America from the shackles of foreign oil.
Whatever the rationale provided by the Bush administration to justify the war in Iraq, there should be no mistake that oil and securing its sources were the main catalysts of both this war and the previous one.
Although the United States must extricate its forces from Iraq honorably and without leaving the country in anarchy, as long as America remains dependent on imported oil, even a successful exit strategy will not prevent a third Gulf war. Oil will remain a precious commodity; a weapon used by authoritarian regimes, such as Iran, against Western interests and a target for scores of terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda that are bent on undermining Western economies.
Dependency on oil also will continue to compromise America’s policies, leading it to accommodate suppliers, and enrich unsavory regimes such as Venezuela, enabling them to oppose the United States with impunity. In addition, importing oil will continue to play havoc with America’s trading policies: at present, oil imports account for more than one third of the trade deficit, to the tune of $320 billion.
Also, to keep a steady flow of oil, a supply that remains vulnerable at best, the United States will have to stay militarily vigilant at an enormous cost while sending American soldiers in harms’ way to protect its national strategic interests.
A more ominous but likely scenario is that as oil supplies become increasingly scarce and the price escalates to $200 a barrel or higher, the end to cheap oil could precipitate violent conflicts, even wars, causing severe dislocations within the global economy.
A serious energy bill that can address America’s needs and eventually free it from outside energy sources will be extremely complex to initiate and then successfully administer. Energy experts estimate that an energy-independence program could take up to two decades to accomplish its ends and as such would require a resolute political commitment stretching over several administrations and the allocation of upward of $200 billion over 15 to 20 years.
Tobey Tall. Thanks for the post. I believe energy independence is the answer. Bush missed a huge opportunity when he squandered his Kennedy like moment (when JFK challenged us to send a man to the moon) by suggesting we send men to Mars. That moment could have been a call to energy independence. Although it would require incredible commitment and would be difficult, energy independence is the best thing we could do for our country. It would help our image as a polluter nation, lessen our dependence on foreign oil, and relieve some of the national security issues we have with the Middle East and parts of South America. Is this an opportunity for Democrats to show some real leadership? Will Democrats take this opportunity or become distracted in a drawn out impeachment, investigations and war crimes tribunals of the Bush Administration. Tit-for-tat is human nature and would be understandable. But, would it be the best thing for the country? Will Democrats show that they are really better and more deserving than Republicans?
I don’t understand the people who seem to be under the impression that an election in the US has no relevance to our enemies and that they don’t have a clear preference in who wins. The only way that they wouldn’t have a preference is if the election didn’t signal a change in our foreign policy, and at least as far as this election goes for us, that was the whole point.
So the difference is in continued fighting in Iraq or an American withdrawl, or at least that is what everyone has been saying. Some people also think that the terrorists would like us to remain fighting in Iraq, saying it gives them something to use against us.
This may come as a shock to some of you, but even terrorists don’t WANT to fight, and in this war, there’s nothing more we can give them by staying that they don’t already have. In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve lost the war. Bush made certain of that. Stayng in Iraq only makes sense if you refuse to accept that. Staying only makes us look more and more foolish. It’s true that practically everyone in Iraq, including our enemies wants us to leave. I don’t believe in staying where we’re not wanted, where we’re doing more harm than good.
So I’ll admit that the terrorists want us out, and I also think we should oblige them. We have nothing to gain by staying. We can’t even save face.
Well, if you quote any terrorist saying that, you are just aiding and abetting the terrorists. I mean, isn’t that how the Bush administration would treat it? You would be helping to further the terrorists’ agenda by repeating their propaganda efforts. So I hope that Fox News Channel would do the responsible thing and not publicize any such comments.
The question of the day, and indeed for the rest of bush’s term, is: What’s the Dem plan for Iraq?
I’m still waiting to hear the Rep plan for Iraq. They keep mubbling stuff like, “stay the course,” “constantly changing tactics,” and “when the Iraqis stand up we’ll stand down,” but I’ve yet to hear the Reps articulate a plan rather than slogans.
As it stands now in the land of the enslaved:
The government can take your land, car, money, and kids – and put you in a concentration camp – without any accusation or proof of anything – and you never get a trial.
The Dems better do something – or prove my point once-and-for-all … they are all the same and in on it together – the Good cop Bad cop routine.
Show me a country with more nazi-like rules? -or a country whose citizens seemingly care less.
The most helplessly enslaved – are those who think they are free.
I found it interesting that they are anxious to pass the “hot potato” of the war to the Dems, as if the president was no longer involved. They must think the situation is really, really bad if they think that the Dems will have no better solution than the Reps have had.
The spin for ‘08 will be, as the war drags on and on and more U.S. soldiers are killed, that the Dems, who now have the “power” are unable or unwilling to do anything about it, while ignoring the fact that it was the Reps who put us in the situation to begin with.
#58. ann. Here’s the plan. Keep enough coalition forces (increase the number if needed) to secure Iraq until the Iraqis standup a sufficient police force to handle the security themselves. Reduce the troop levels as the Iraqis take on more of the responsibility. The result is a free, democratic Iraq, as an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism. The consequence of abandoning Iraq is civil war with no alternative but Islamic fundamentalism.
Paul. I don’t agree that the Dems sold the election like they were going to fix the situation in Iraq. I believe they went in saying that we were headed in the wrong direction and that, at the very least, it shouldn’t get any worse.
It’s like when you are in a hole you can’t get out, the first thing you have to do is stop digging. The people who voted saw this, and decided to take the shovel away from the Reps.
The only “bait and switch” going on is FoxNews’s plan to blame the whole mess on the Dems now that they control Congress.
Paul: Your plan for Iraq is amusing. If pigs could fly–they’d have an air force. The make-up of the Iraqi society over the past several centuries and the fact that religious fundamentalism is far more important than democracy is still the strongest element in the affairs of the country and will continue to be. The Iraqi police force you speak of is as dependable as the Keystone Kops. Internal breakdown of this socety will never permit stabilization. The mere fact that the destruction of the infrastructure-utilities, businesses, schools, universities, hospitals and governmental sevices does not bode well for future success toward a stable government. The recent kidnapping in Baghdad shows just how desperate the situation has become. Colin Powell did admit to at least one truth–”if you break it, you own it”. The only way to make Iraq free and democratic is to make it the 51st state since we now own it. I jest.
The only way to make Iraq free and democratic is to make it the 51st state since we now own it. I jest.
You shouldn’t. What if, just for the fun, we ask the Iraqi people if they would like Iraq to become the 51st state? I know, it sounds crazy…at first. But what would we, the USA, do if the Iraqi citizens overwhelmingly voted to become a new state of ours? Would we do it?
For you Democrats, we’d be bringing the same freedoms we enjoy to the Middle East. For you Republicans, it would mean we would own one of the world’s largest oil reserves. Sounds crazy, I know. But it just might be crazy enough to work.
Nova16. I was smiling at your “tongue in cheek” suggestion to make Iraq the 51st state. The only problem is, if we did that, then the money flowing to rebuild the infrastructure will dry up immediately. I live in Louisiana, I know.
or ask Perle for facts.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:44 pmColor me not surprised about the fair and balanced “reality show.”
November 14th, 2006 at 9:47 pmColor me not surprised that this comes from the “reality show” of TV networks. If it wasn’t obvious before, it is now.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:48 pmI’m sure FOX News knows the terrusts, it should be no problem to have one fabricated for the Osama News Channel
November 14th, 2006 at 9:49 pmJeebus what a bunch of paranoid insane people at FOX
November 14th, 2006 at 9:50 pmhey fox!! interview this guy…here is an iraqi thrilled at the prospect. this is a quote from an interview with the iraqi minister of health:
November 14th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Fox News : We make up the facts to fit our made up agenda, but we are fair and balanced. Now give me that Fscking memo back.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:52 pmFortunately for FoxNews, they didn’t have to search very long for what they were looking for:
Leader of al-Qaida in Iraq Mocks Bush
Friday, November 10, 2006
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq — A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq mocked President Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war was rejected at the polls, challenging him to keep U.S. troops in the country to face more bloodshed.
The audio message appeared to be an attempt to exact maximum propaganda benefit from the results of Tuesday’s midterm elections, in which the Republicans lost control of both houses of Congress, in part because of the war.
Al-Muhajir praised the American people for handing victory to the Democrats, saying:”They voted for something reasonable in the last elections.”
November 14th, 2006 at 9:58 pmOver at Huffington, this story brought the Con trolls out in force and I surprised to see they haven’t made it over here yet. Anyone who has ever seen the documentary “Outfoxed” is not surprised in the least by the wording of the memo. Pretty much all media has a bias in favor of scandal and sensationalism, but Fox ups the ante by having a Republican bias as well. Why that is not plain to those who defend it to the end is only another indication of their lemming mentality.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:01 pm#8,
The propaganda would have come regardless of a Democratic or Republican victory. Had the R’s retained majority in Congress, the insurgent response would have been that the elections confirmed America is destined for its own destruction, and so on.
As it happens, I hardly believe insurgents in the planning and execution of their guerilla warfare have the background or the time to understand American political intricacies.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:03 pmAnd when Schumer goes on FOX he helps FOX propagate Republican control.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:14 pmcharlatan news reporting and propaganda at it’s finest. This is “textbook”.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:16 pmand appearing on Faux news is the political suicide these days.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:17 pmOh, God, I would love to see the fax of a written “insurgent” press release! The jokes write themselves. “We applaud the victory of Flattop Tester in Montana!”
November 14th, 2006 at 10:19 pmWhatever the insurgents, terrorists, militias or whatever one calls them it is beyond doubt that as long as we are occupying Iraq we remain the best recruiting tool terrorists. Of course Fox will not even discuss this issue.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:22 pmFox is a joke.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:24 pmOnly in the parallel universe inhabited by FOX viewers would there be any acknowledgement that insurgents in Iraq would have a care about Democrats or Republicans. When bombs and guns are killing your children, what difference does it make who used them?
November 14th, 2006 at 10:26 pmWeren’t these people at Fox, other conservative outlets -and conservatives in general- against giving air time to “terrorists”?
Didn’t they say it helps and abates the enemy, and that it hurts the troops’ morale? Didn’t they accuse CNN of broadcasting “terrorist propaganda”?
Turns out, they can hardly wait to get their own hands on statements by Iraqi insurgents.
Well, what an interesting turn of events: FauxNews was against helping the terrorists, before they were for it.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:27 pmThey don’t even capitalize Bush’s name in the 4th paragraph, hehe.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:30 pmI feel bad for the Dems having to deal with nonstop attacks by Fox for the next two years. Much like their GOP friends, Fox will say and do anything to further their agenda, up to and including fabrication.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:31 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
Why don’t they just name the GOP to the HOP?
[Hypocritic Old Phucks]
November 14th, 2006 at 10:46 pmI like the “It’s not the end of the world” part of the memo.
-GSD
November 14th, 2006 at 10:48 pmTurns out, they can hardly wait to get their own hands on statements by Iraqi insurgents. — Gregor Samsa
I wonder how many insurgents they know the where abouts of, since they seemed to think they could get statements on tap from the wording of that memo.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:53 pmThe question of the day, and indeed for the rest of bush’s term, is: What’s the Dem plan for Iraq?
This sentence did strike me as odd.
Earlier today the trolls were asking the same exact question, over and over again. It’s not the first time that the trolls come to ThinkProgress with seemimgly very well prepared talking points.
I find it puzzling that the question should be found in an internal FauxNews memo… hhmmmmm…
This could be a very short live shot for Jim Angle, but he’ll try.
In other words, we can expect this talking point to be pushed by Jim Angle, who will milk it for all it’s worth.
FauxNews: We distort, you deride.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:02 pmBORe is on the phone with Osama as we speak.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:04 pmThere was a time last year they actually admitted to being paid operatives when we kept hammering on them. I think they come from IRI and I don’t mean the blogger.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:07 pmhttp://americablog.blogspot.com/
Someone, on behalf of FOX News, reportedly gave terrorist organizations $2m that the terrorists now say they used to buy weapons to kill Israelis? FOX says “it’s possible” money was paid to terrorists? And the Bush administration, they were heavily involved in this effort to free the FOX reporters – were they aware that someone was paying off terrorists? Were they the ones who arranged the payment? This is abominable if true.
Palestinian terror groups and security organizations in the Gaza Strip received $2 million from a United States source in exchange for the release of Fox News employees Steve Centanni and Olag Wiig, who were kidnapped here last summer, a senior leader of one of the groups suspected of the abductions told WND.
The terror leader, from the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, said his organization’s share of the money was used to purchase weapons, which he said would be utilized “to hit the Zionists.”
He said he expects the payments for Centanni and Wiig’s freedom will encourage Palestinian groups to carry out further kidnappings.
Officials associated with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party and its security organization, the Preventative Security Services, confirmed to WND money was paid for the release of the Fox News reporters…. the money was used to purchase weapons.
“We used 100 percent of the money for one precise goal – our war against the Zionists,” the Committees leader said.
He said weapons purchased included rockets.
“Regarding the others (the Dugmash clan of the Committees) who received the money, I can tell you one thing is very clear – this went also to be used against the Zionists. I can’t say every cent went to buy bombs, maybe it also went to pay for salaries, smuggling, buying shelter.”….
A spokeswoman for Fox News Channel told WND she could not provide an official statement about whether Fox was aware of money paid to free its two employees.
A source at Fox told WND many parties were involved with the freedom of Centanni and Wiig, including the U.S. government, and that it was possible money was paid.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:10 pmDog_named_Boo,
I like the name change idea ;-)
Wayne,
I just find it surprising more people don’t see through the pile of fallacies. How can anyone claim to know what the terrorists are thinking? Or how they will interpret an electoral victory by this or that party?
FauxNews and the Bush administration must both have an open tab with Miss Cleo.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:11 pmFox News is accused of paying millions of dollars in ransom for their kidnapped reporters.
Maybe this is how Fox News forged a relationship with Al Qaeda so that they could get on their e-mail and press release list whenever Al Qaeda needs to get their word out.
Negotiating with terrorists? Must be Fox News.
-GSD
November 14th, 2006 at 11:16 pmLeader of al-Qaida in Iraq Mocks Bush
—- Exley
So some criminal mocked Bush.
I am not mocking Bush ( well not always ) I am condeming as a hypocrite and an admitted liar, an admitted fellon. I am condemming him for admittedly getting us into the war in Iraq for oil.
Someone who is sending the wounded heros home to bankruptsy. Only some can’t even file that due to the new laws passed.
I am condemming someone that is allowing the theft of our treasury. Someone who is shreading the constitution.
I am condemming the man who as comander in chief is guilty of ordering that internationally outlawed use of incendiary weapons be used on a civillian population.
I am condeming the man who by his actions melted the skin of of children.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:16 pmDemocrats need to STOP going on Fox News, PERIOD. Full boycott. Just let the foaming at the mouth Republicans appear and together stew over their hatred of Democrats. That’s the only purpose of the network: stir up hatred against Dems and relentlessly smear anyone that stands in Bush’s way. Just going on the channel legitimizing their 24/7 propaganda network. It’s not worth the time or effort to appear.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:19 pmSomewhere in the bowels of hell, McCarthy is proud of these Fox people.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:26 pmBoard of Directors [IRI]
U.S. Senator John McCain, Chairman
Chairman of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs
Peter T. Madigan, Vice – Chairman
Principal, Johnson, Madigan and Peck
Former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs
J. William Middendorf, II, Secretary – Treasurer
Chairman, Middendorf & Associates, Inc.
Former Secretary of the Navy
Former U.S. Ambassador to the European Community, Organization American States and the Netherlands
Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, III
Former Presidential Envoy to Iraq
Former Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorism
Former U.S. Ambassador to the Netherlands
Gahl Hodges Burt
Vice Chairman, American Academy in Berlin
Former White House Social Secretary
U.S. Representative David Dreier
Chairman of the House Committee on the Rules
Chairman of the California Republican Congressional Delegation
Lawrence S. Eagleburger
Former U.S. Secretary of State
Former U.S. Ambassador to Yugoslavia
Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr.
President and CEO of the American Gaming Association
Former Chairman of the Republican Party
Alison B. Fortier
Director, Lockheed Martin Missile Defense Programs
Former Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
Mayor James A. Garner
Former Mayor, Incorporated Village of Hempstead, New York
U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel
Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on International Economic Policy, Export, and Trade Promotion
Cheryl F. Halpern
Chairman, Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Member, Broadcasting Board of Governors [media control?]
Executive Board Member, Washington Institute for Near East Policy
William J. Hybl
November 14th, 2006 at 11:26 pmChairman and CEO of El Pomar Foundation
President Emeritus of the U.S. Olympic Committee
Former Special Counsel to the President of the United States
Dr. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Senior Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
And here we are, at the house of Ahmed Ghatcha, about to interview a known “insurgent”. Ahmed, tell us, how elated are you about the election victory of moderate democrats”?
November 14th, 2006 at 11:28 pmAhmed – How many camels are you willing to give me for this crucial information?
Operation Northwoods :
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, as part of the U.S. government’s Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.
The proposal was presented in a document entitled Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba,[1] a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. The document was presented by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
November 14th, 2006 at 11:31 pmactually, #22, the war on terror has NOW BEGUN, thanks to the elections. the most dangerous terrorists for americans are in the white house and we can now fight the real terrorists…
we had three victories today: the german filing of war-crimes against the bush crime family; the statement by levin that he would investigate the secret torture sites of the bush crime family; and, finally, the young white american terrorist that sent fake anthrax to keith olberman and other liberals was a frequent right-wing blogger, and had a ‘thing’ for the three she-males: coulter, malkin and ingraham has been arrested.
so those knuckle-dragging, michelle-malkin-panty-sniffing, war-criminal protecting, right wing nazis at fox were ironically correct in the last sentence of their memo…
November 14th, 2006 at 11:33 pmLoL RUC!
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Force IS NOT the preffered method of Democratization, but can anyone tell the BUSH and his war mongers that???
November 14th, 2006 at 11:35 pmOn the up side, there are always good news out there:
Jack Abramoff, the lobbyist known for lavishing politicians with football tickets or whisking them away on exotic golf junkets, will start life Wednesday with a new identity: federal inmate No. 27593-112.
Abramoff to begin 6-year prison stint Wednesday
When will the other heads roll? I also wonder if FauxNews will air this one, and explain why Abramoff was tried in the first place.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:38 pm#38
Jack who?
November 14th, 2006 at 11:40 pmfox news gave $2,000,000 to a ‘terrorist’ organization…
well, looks like the justice department has a case against fox…
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November 14th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
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November 14th, 2006 at 11:56 pm#41
November 15th, 2006 at 12:00 amThanks for the paste, and you are correct.
Wonder when BO is gonna get rendered now?
you are welcome. i certainly hope this story takes off tomorrow.
b.o. would piss himself if he was the bagman… probably was a murdoch black-shirt…
November 15th, 2006 at 12:08 amExcept religious materials
November 15th, 2006 at 12:20 am
This Propaganda crap goes straight back to Reagan.
The NED was initiated by the Reagan administration and funded by an act of Congress, yet was designated a “private†institution. This means that it and its core groups carry out foreign initiatives with public funds, free of meaningful or official oversight. Allen Weinstein, the NED’s theoretical planner, noted in a 1991 Washington Post interview, “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.†The fact is, in many respects, the NED-sponsored groups are even freer of congressional monitoring then those of their CIA predecessors.
November 15th, 2006 at 12:23 amâ€They voted for something reasonable in the last elections.â€
Comment by Exley
as almost all the world is thinking right now. Well, not all…the 30% of the 4.5% of world population = 1.3%. Big majority.
November 15th, 2006 at 12:44 amChristian and Government Persecution of other religions on the march.
Widows seek Wiccan symbol on headstones
By SCOTT BAUER
Associated Press Writer
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Star of David is OK, as are more than a dozen variations of the Christian cross. Even the atomic whirl used by atheists gets the thumbs-up from the federal government.
But a Wiccan symbol representing earth, air, fire, water and spirit isn’t recognized by the federal government for veterans’ grave markers.
A federal lawsuit filed Monday accuses the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs of violating the constitutional rights of Wiccans because the government does not allow its symbol on headstones in national cemeteries.
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Wiccans worship the Earth and believe they must give to the community. Some consider themselves “white” or good witches, pagans or neo-pagans. Approximately 1,800 active-duty service members identify themselves as Wiccans, according to 2005 Defense Department statistics.
from Rocky Mountain News
November 15th, 2006 at 1:07 amFauxNews doesn’t get tired of aiding and abetting the terrorists:
Palestinian terror groups and security organizations in the Gaza Strip received $2 million from a United States source in exchange for the release of Fox News employees Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig [...] The terror leader, from the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, said his organization’s share of the money was used to purchase weapons, which he said would be utilized “to hit the Zionists.”
Fox News reporters freed for $2 million – payment said to encourage more abductions
The source being WorldNetDaily I doubt its accuracy, but I just could not resist posting it.
Oh, sweet, sweet irony…
November 15th, 2006 at 1:22 amThe Freeper Terrorist
His musings;
November 15th, 2006 at 3:27 am
Heres an Insurgents post from South Korea Ha Ha Ha
The Last War for Oil?
There should be no doubt that the United States has waged two Gulf wars largely, if not solely, for oil. To ensure that the Iraq war is the last Gulf war, the administration and the Democratic majority in the new Congress must work together to enact an energy-independence bill to address the root-causes of these wars and free America from the shackles of foreign oil.
Whatever the rationale provided by the Bush administration to justify the war in Iraq, there should be no mistake that oil and securing its sources were the main catalysts of both this war and the previous one.
Although the United States must extricate its forces from Iraq honorably and without leaving the country in anarchy, as long as America remains dependent on imported oil, even a successful exit strategy will not prevent a third Gulf war. Oil will remain a precious commodity; a weapon used by authoritarian regimes, such as Iran, against Western interests and a target for scores of terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda that are bent on undermining Western economies.
Dependency on oil also will continue to compromise America’s policies, leading it to accommodate suppliers, and enrich unsavory regimes such as Venezuela, enabling them to oppose the United States with impunity. In addition, importing oil will continue to play havoc with America’s trading policies: at present, oil imports account for more than one third of the trade deficit, to the tune of $320 billion.
Also, to keep a steady flow of oil, a supply that remains vulnerable at best, the United States will have to stay militarily vigilant at an enormous cost while sending American soldiers in harms’ way to protect its national strategic interests.
A more ominous but likely scenario is that as oil supplies become increasingly scarce and the price escalates to $200 a barrel or higher, the end to cheap oil could precipitate violent conflicts, even wars, causing severe dislocations within the global economy.
A serious energy bill that can address America’s needs and eventually free it from outside energy sources will be extremely complex to initiate and then successfully administer. Energy experts estimate that an energy-independence program could take up to two decades to accomplish its ends and as such would require a resolute political commitment stretching over several administrations and the allocation of upward of $200 billion over 15 to 20 years.
THEN START NOW YOU NATION OF THIEFS AND MURDERERS
November 15th, 2006 at 4:41 amFOX is the home of the DLC Democrat.
November 15th, 2006 at 5:58 amTobey Tall. Thanks for the post. I believe energy independence is the answer. Bush missed a huge opportunity when he squandered his Kennedy like moment (when JFK challenged us to send a man to the moon) by suggesting we send men to Mars. That moment could have been a call to energy independence. Although it would require incredible commitment and would be difficult, energy independence is the best thing we could do for our country. It would help our image as a polluter nation, lessen our dependence on foreign oil, and relieve some of the national security issues we have with the Middle East and parts of South America. Is this an opportunity for Democrats to show some real leadership? Will Democrats take this opportunity or become distracted in a drawn out impeachment, investigations and war crimes tribunals of the Bush Administration. Tit-for-tat is human nature and would be understandable. But, would it be the best thing for the country? Will Democrats show that they are really better and more deserving than Republicans?
November 15th, 2006 at 6:18 amAl Qaeda wants the U.S. to stay in Iraq
November 15th, 2006 at 6:36 amThe criminals in the Bush administration and the foreign jihadists need each other desperately. The people of Iraq and the United States need neither.
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2006/11/10/al-qaeda-wants-the-us-to-stay-in-iraq/
Mo Do writes about Chardonnay Diplomacy. While you’re there, read my previous post below it. My antagonist is at it again.
November 15th, 2006 at 7:00 amI don’t understand the people who seem to be under the impression that an election in the US has no relevance to our enemies and that they don’t have a clear preference in who wins. The only way that they wouldn’t have a preference is if the election didn’t signal a change in our foreign policy, and at least as far as this election goes for us, that was the whole point.
So the difference is in continued fighting in Iraq or an American withdrawl, or at least that is what everyone has been saying. Some people also think that the terrorists would like us to remain fighting in Iraq, saying it gives them something to use against us.
This may come as a shock to some of you, but even terrorists don’t WANT to fight, and in this war, there’s nothing more we can give them by staying that they don’t already have. In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve lost the war. Bush made certain of that. Stayng in Iraq only makes sense if you refuse to accept that. Staying only makes us look more and more foolish. It’s true that practically everyone in Iraq, including our enemies wants us to leave. I don’t believe in staying where we’re not wanted, where we’re doing more harm than good.
So I’ll admit that the terrorists want us out, and I also think we should oblige them. We have nothing to gain by staying. We can’t even save face.
November 15th, 2006 at 7:15 amWell, if you quote any terrorist saying that, you are just aiding and abetting the terrorists. I mean, isn’t that how the Bush administration would treat it? You would be helping to further the terrorists’ agenda by repeating their propaganda efforts. So I hope that Fox News Channel would do the responsible thing and not publicize any such comments.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:07 amThe question of the day, and indeed for the rest of bush’s term, is: What’s the Dem plan for Iraq?
I’m still waiting to hear the Rep plan for Iraq. They keep mubbling stuff like, “stay the course,” “constantly changing tactics,” and “when the Iraqis stand up we’ll stand down,” but I’ve yet to hear the Reps articulate a plan rather than slogans.
November 15th, 2006 at 9:05 amAs it stands now in the land of the enslaved:
The government can take your land, car, money, and kids – and put you in a concentration camp – without any accusation or proof of anything – and you never get a trial.
The Dems better do something – or prove my point once-and-for-all … they are all the same and in on it together – the Good cop Bad cop routine.
Show me a country with more nazi-like rules? -or a country whose citizens seemingly care less.
The most helplessly enslaved – are those who think they are free.
November 15th, 2006 at 9:21 amI found it interesting that they are anxious to pass the “hot potato” of the war to the Dems, as if the president was no longer involved. They must think the situation is really, really bad if they think that the Dems will have no better solution than the Reps have had.
The spin for ‘08 will be, as the war drags on and on and more U.S. soldiers are killed, that the Dems, who now have the “power” are unable or unwilling to do anything about it, while ignoring the fact that it was the Reps who put us in the situation to begin with.
November 15th, 2006 at 9:40 amArt. Democrats sold the election like they were going to fix the situation in Iraq. Now what you are trying to do is bait and switch.
November 15th, 2006 at 10:01 am#58. ann. Here’s the plan. Keep enough coalition forces (increase the number if needed) to secure Iraq until the Iraqis standup a sufficient police force to handle the security themselves. Reduce the troop levels as the Iraqis take on more of the responsibility. The result is a free, democratic Iraq, as an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism. The consequence of abandoning Iraq is civil war with no alternative but Islamic fundamentalism.
November 15th, 2006 at 10:08 amPaul. I don’t agree that the Dems sold the election like they were going to fix the situation in Iraq. I believe they went in saying that we were headed in the wrong direction and that, at the very least, it shouldn’t get any worse.
It’s like when you are in a hole you can’t get out, the first thing you have to do is stop digging. The people who voted saw this, and decided to take the shovel away from the Reps.
The only “bait and switch” going on is FoxNews’s plan to blame the whole mess on the Dems now that they control Congress.
November 15th, 2006 at 10:48 amPaul: Your plan for Iraq is amusing. If pigs could fly–they’d have an air force. The make-up of the Iraqi society over the past several centuries and the fact that religious fundamentalism is far more important than democracy is still the strongest element in the affairs of the country and will continue to be. The Iraqi police force you speak of is as dependable as the Keystone Kops. Internal breakdown of this socety will never permit stabilization. The mere fact that the destruction of the infrastructure-utilities, businesses, schools, universities, hospitals and governmental sevices does not bode well for future success toward a stable government. The recent kidnapping in Baghdad shows just how desperate the situation has become. Colin Powell did admit to at least one truth–”if you break it, you own it”. The only way to make Iraq free and democratic is to make it the 51st state since we now own it. I jest.
November 15th, 2006 at 10:57 amThe only way to make Iraq free and democratic is to make it the 51st state since we now own it. I jest.
You shouldn’t. What if, just for the fun, we ask the Iraqi people if they would like Iraq to become the 51st state? I know, it sounds crazy…at first. But what would we, the USA, do if the Iraqi citizens overwhelmingly voted to become a new state of ours? Would we do it?
For you Democrats, we’d be bringing the same freedoms we enjoy to the Middle East. For you Republicans, it would mean we would own one of the world’s largest oil reserves. Sounds crazy, I know. But it just might be crazy enough to work.
November 15th, 2006 at 11:20 amNova16. I was smiling at your “tongue in cheek” suggestion to make Iraq the 51st state. The only problem is, if we did that, then the money flowing to rebuild the infrastructure will dry up immediately. I live in Louisiana, I know.
November 15th, 2006 at 11:20 amArt. I appreciate your stop digging anaology and your Louisiana comment was very good.
November 15th, 2006 at 1:22 pmFox News: We distort. You comply
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January 25th, 2007 at 12:35 am