Frist’s Post-Election Revelation: We Are ‘Not Winning’ In Iraq
Frist’s Post-Election Revelation: We Are ‘Not Winning’ In Iraq
Last night on Fox News, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) was asked to explain the midterm election results. Frist answered, “clearly, number one, the fact that we were not winning in Iraq dominated.” Watch it:
What a difference an election makes. In July, Frist said the conservative national security message for 2006 was, “We’re for staying the course in Iraq and the war on terror.” And as recently as last month, Frist said the U.S. was making “tremendous progress” in Iraq.
I’m confident that we are making tremendous progress in hunting down and killing the murderers of Islamic fascism, in stabilizing the democratic governments of Afghanistan and Iraq and in winning the generational struggle that is the War on Terror.
Full transcript:
HANNITY: Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist. All right, Senator, let’s first say — what do you think happened a week ago?
SEN. BILL FRIST (R-TN), SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: Well, Sean, I think it’s been reviewed many, many times. And, clearly, number one, the fact that we were not winning in Iraq dominated, and people just want change. And it will result in thoughtful consideration here over the next several days and weeks.
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He is correct, we aren’t currently winning. Are Dems the party that has a plan for victory?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:45 pmHey, TP, in some moment, would you show an interview with Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, MIchael Moore, etc…just for some healthy equilibrium?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:47 pmAre Dems the party that has a plan for victory?
Describe victory.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:48 pmI would hope so Roger squared. I am waiting for some resolution. Otherwise, it may well be, and probably is, high time to dump both parties in favor of something new.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:49 pmHa! As soon as Dems become the majority, this bilge pump starts saying we are losing Iraq. Why does Frist! hate America.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:50 pmAt least the Frist! knows who calls the shots, the voters.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:51 pmRepukes obviously have no plan for victory in Iraq.
Hell, they didn’t even have a plan to occupy Iraq.
Whatever the Dems do is going to be better. The Repukes had their chance and they screwed up.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:52 pmDid Seans head explode or did he just ignore the “terrorist” loving statement by the psychic doctor??
November 14th, 2006 at 4:54 pmSo what is the Dems plan for victory in Iraq?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:56 pmThe ReDUMBlicans do have a plan. Its called “Victory” and its a secret. Maybe Burns has some free time to let the rest of the Administration in on it. The Dems just have a plan to REPAIR the damage done by Bush and his brownshirts.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:56 pmNotice that Frist is not offering a “plan for victory” in Iraq. I wonder why not?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:57 pm“Victory” ( as per the current regime’s currently profered definition) is not an option in Iraq.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:01 pmPeace, and continuing violence, are the only options available at present.
To suggest victory is to suggest a winner, and a loser.
At the moment, all are losing.
A solution where all win may or may not be possible.
Western Imperialists and Righteous Religous Emperors have tried for millenia to conquer the Middle East, and have always failed.
This time, it’s oil they want, not the “holy grail”……….
And, as always, the residents of Mesopotamia simply want the invaders to leave.
Describe victory.
Comment by barfly
These guys couldn’t describe “democracy”, “victory”, or any other concept they throw around without using “money”, “power”, or “corporation” in the definition.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:04 pmHe said WHAT?!?!
*checks weatherbug for the temp in hell*
November 14th, 2006 at 5:04 pmROGER – what does “victory” in Iraq mean?????? Please, for once, define your goddamned terms, and go beyond the glossy packaging to the actual contents.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:04 pmLet me finish the sentence for you there, FristyPants: And it will result in thoughtful consideration here over the next several days and weeks by the Democrats because we neocons haven’t a clue past our wallets and stock options.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:06 pmAnd it will result in thoughtful consideration here over the next several days and weeks.
You mean you haven’t given the war in Iraq “thoughtful consideration” yet???
November 14th, 2006 at 5:07 pmWe’re supposed to find common ground, not fight for political dominance.
It isn’t supposed to be “us against them” within our own Government.
The World isn’t so black and white.
Therefore, Iraq should be handled somewhere between the two extremes.
QUIT ACCUSING THE DEMS OF HAVING NO PLAN. DRIVING A BOAT FULL-STEAM AHEAD WITH NO RUDDER IS WORSE THAN NO PLAN.
Plot a course, then follow it. If the weather or conditions dictate, make proper adjustments to the course to insure success in achieving your destination.
FIRST, we need a plan for PHASED REDEPLOYMENT with timelines established by the “International” Coalition and the Iraq Government.
SECOND, we need a plan for HOMELAND SECURITY that is serious about border security, yet protects Human Rights and the economy.
THIRD, we need a plan for dealing with nuclear Iran and North Korea. I do not fear Cold War tactics since the end result is/was NO NUKES have ever been used against another Nuclear nation. What’s to be afraid of? We still posses enough nuclear weapons to annihilate just about any nation currently “threatening” us. Hell, Isreals HAD nukes for years for defensive purposes. In the words of Dumbya, “bring it on.”
FOURTH, get back to finishing the job in Afghanistan.
FIFTH, we need to quit hating so easily/often. That only makes us more like the terrorists we so ardently detest.
Silly assed Dumbya just keeps motoring ahead in a boat with no rudder, and Cons are full of hate.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#15
You won’t get an answer from R2 or the others, and here’s why.
I’m not sure if Fristy thinks that caving to the ‘liberal party line’ will redeem him in the eyes of… well, anyone. He’s a sleaze, and as much as I hate to condemn someone finally seeing the light, I can’t help but see this as proof that Frist sold his spine to get some of that tangy GOPer kool-aid.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:10 pmEvery time I see or hear a representative of the current regime say the word “victory”, the mental image of Richard Nixon with both arms in the air pops into my head……
November 14th, 2006 at 5:11 pmJust once I wish Dubious would do the same, so we could have a snapshot to remember him by………..
Hey, TP, in some moment, would you show an interview with Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, MIchael Moore, etc…just for some healthy equilibrium?
Comment by Juan C — November 14, 2006 @ 4:47 pm
Liberal’s Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
November 14th, 2006
To My Conservative Brothers and Sisters,
I know you are dismayed and disheartened at the results of last week’s election. You’re worried that the country is heading toward a very bad place you don’t want it to go. Your 12-year Republican Revolution has ended with so much yet to do, so many promises left unfulfilled. You are in a funk, and I understand.
Well, cheer up, my friends! Do not despair. I have good news for you. I, and the millions of others who are now in charge with our Democratic Congress, have a pledge we would like to make to you, a list of promises that we offer you because we value you as our fellow Americans. You deserve to know what we plan to do with our newfound power — and, to be specific, what we will do to you and for you.
Thus, here is our Liberal’s Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives:
Dear Conservatives and Republicans,
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you “unpatriotic” simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us consider your behavior to be “different” or “immoral.” Who you marry is none of our business. Love and be in love — it’s a wonderful gift.
3. We will not spend your grandchildren’s money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It’s your checkbook, too, and we will balance it for you.
4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.
5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we’ll make sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too, breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.
9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren’t much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you — and your employees — that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don’t put those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs (”Blessed are the poor,” “Blessed are the peacemakers,” “Love your enemies,” “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God,” and “Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.”). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn’t just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism — starting with the fanaticism here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans — and for the rest of the world.
Signed,
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November 14th, 2006 at 5:11 pmSen Frist just got himself a shiny brand new haircut. Unfortunately it was not done by a gay man…
November 14th, 2006 at 5:13 pmOne can make progress without winning. Maybe that is what he meant.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:14 pmthanks, unbelievable! (sweetie)
November 14th, 2006 at 5:16 pm#15
Victory in Iraq:
Providing the Iraqi people with a government that is capable of protecting them and keeping the peace. Furthermore, all Iraqi’s need to be free and the government needs to be a Democracy.
That is victory. So, how will the Dems get this done now that they are in power? Iraqi’s want to know!
November 14th, 2006 at 5:23 pm#9 Roger_Roger
So what is the Dems plan for victory in Iraq?
When are you going to stop beating your [significant other]?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:23 pmthanks, unbelievable! (sweetie)
Comment by aguafiero
Hmmmm….
November 14th, 2006 at 5:23 pmA brief moment of honesty. Amazing.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:25 pmDifficult to win a war where the population has turned againt you.
Sen Frist just got himself a shiny brand new haircut. Unfortunately it was not done by a gay man…
Comment by Zooey — November 14, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
You’re right. It looks more like a flow-bee cut…
November 14th, 2006 at 5:29 pmI find it interesting that when the Repubs were in power, and the Dems were calling for a plan, we were silly for even suggesting something like that.
It’s not even Jan 1st yet, and the useful idiots are hitting the ’sphere asking us where the plan is, but crying foul over Murtha talking redeployment. That is called a plan. It doesn’t have to be something you agree with to be a plan.
105 members can’t be wrong. Cheers.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:29 pmthanks, unbelievable! (sweetie)
Comment by aguafiero — November 14, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
You are very welcome!
November 14th, 2006 at 5:30 pmVictory in Iraq:
Providing the Iraqi people with a government that is capable of protecting them and keeping the peace. Furthermore, all Iraqi’s need to be free and the government needs to be a Democracy.
Democracy doesn’t work with a 5,000 year old culture of violence.
Want proof? See Iraq…
That is victory. So, how will the Dems get this done now that they are in power? Iraqi’s want to know!
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 14, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
You’re an Iraq? Or did you just appoint yourself their spokesman?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:35 pmHmmmm….
Comment by Zooey — November 14, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
Don’t you start… :D
November 14th, 2006 at 5:36 pmThanks unbelievable
November 14th, 2006 at 5:37 pmMy signature has been added.
Billy Frist……. did you also watch a video of the Iraq debacle and determine that it is in a vegetative state? Why couldn’t you have seen that when you looked at Terry Schiavo’s video?
And, BTW, saw your special (ALMOST) full size White House replica on my trip to Nashville last week. Impressive! Might be as close as you will ever get to sleeping in one.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pmDon’t you start… :D
Comment by unbelievable
Yo! I didn’t call you “sweetie.”
November 14th, 2006 at 5:43 pmC’mon, like we expected intellectual consistency and honesty from ole Fristy. Get serious.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:44 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
Victory in Iraq:
Providing the Iraqi people with a government that is capable of protecting them and keeping the peace. Furthermore, all Iraqi’s need to be free and the government needs to be a Democracy.
That is victory. So, how will the Dems get this done now that they are in power? Iraqi’s want to know!
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 14, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
Hey Rog – this would take decades, trillions of dollars, tens of thousands of American lives, and would essentially mortgage the future of our children.
Instead of asking if Democrats can totally f*ck up America to complete a task that should have never been embarked upon… why not call to account those who squandered American life and treasure on this impossible venture… why not help the rest of us cut our losses and stop the bleeding?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:45 pmhttp://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3218,36-834513@51-677013,0.html
123Malgré les menaces du Conseil de sécurité de l’ONU, l’Iran poursuit son programme de production d’uranium enrichi et refuse de coopérer avec l’Agence internationale de l’énergie atomique (AIEA) pour la résolution de problèmes clés posés par ce programme, selon un rapport confidentiel de cette agence onusienne, dont plusieurs agences de presse ont néanmoins obtenu copie mardi 14 novembre.
fed up of the threats of the sec council of the un the Iran pursues his production of uranium enrichment and refuses to cooperate with the international atomic energy agency
November 14th, 2006 at 5:48 pmconcerncing the key problems and their solution put up by this prog according to a confidentiel report of which multiple nbews agencies got news 14th of nov.
#26
November 14th, 2006 at 5:48 pmYour first sentence states:
“Providing the Iraqi people with a government, etc…….
Providing ?
Suggesting that this is your recipe for “victory”…… (?)
If an outside entity ( such as an invading, occupational force) “provides a government”, such would certainly not be an example of a democracy………….
Roger, didn’t get far in school?
Refresher on Civics 101, which part of the government runs and is responsible for foreign affairs? Wars?
do do do do do do do do dunt dunt dunt dunt dunt…dunt
Times up whats the answer?
So lost
So impotent
So corrupt
So irrelevent
So 31%
Quack Quack Rape-Public-Cans
November 14th, 2006 at 5:48 pmYo! I didn’t call you “sweetie.â€
Comment by Zooey — November 14, 2006 @ 5:43 pm
You once called me dear…
By the way… Yo? Is that the latest Idaho trend in slang for adults?
I have a funny story to tell you… I’ll wait until the thread gets stale.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:48 pmRogerRoger defines victory: “Victory in Iraq: Providing the Iraqi people with a government that is capable of protecting them and keeping the peace. Furthermore, all Iraqi’s need to be free and the government needs to be a Democracy.”
And evidently this is worth 3,000 american lives, 20,000 amputees and $600 billion of taxpayer money. And, if you can find any member of the Bush administration who defined victory this way on or about the time of invasion, then maybe people will see it as something more than just a pathetic attempt to justify the worst foreign policy blunder in U.S. history.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYo? Is that the latest Idaho trend in slang for adults?
Comment by unbelievable
Adult. Very subjective term, in my opinion.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:53 pmThese god damned Christian terrorists will never “win” in Iraq. There is no way that these Christian monsters will ever be able to seize control of Iraq’s oil when the Iraqi freedom fighters are denying them the oil, and while warring Islamic factions try to establish their own brands of Theocracy. And seizing control of the oil is the only thing these Christian monsters wanted in the first place.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:55 pmI can only conclude that Frist was against the truth before he was for the truth.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:55 pm#44,
Oh, I completely agree that Bush was wrong based on his reasoning for invasion. Either way, we are still in that Country today. We made the mess and it would be improper and morally incorrect to leave the Iraqi’s high and dry in there desperate time of need. To that end, it is our duty to get this job done and work with them until they are completely free and can defend themselves. When we make a mess, we should clean it up. Or is that a lesson your parents didn’t teach you guys as children?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:57 pmCurbing noxious human emissions in D.C.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pmAh, yes, thanks blue-dog, for listing (in brief, I’m sure) the cost of providing Iraq with a democracy that isn’t.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pmThe military/industrial/drug/security complex which jerks the strings of America’s “democracy” has a long history of providing suitable governments to nations with desirable natural resources…………
…and the “well, we’re there now, don’t worry bout how we got here, just focus on the undefined motive of VICTORY” argument is crap.
Since when is considering prior motive an option when determining fault?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:59 pmThis wouldn’t be Mr. Frist’s beginning of the snake skin change pointing towards the ‘08 cycle, would it?
Maybe he and Georgie Porgie Allen or Jimmy no-Tallent or DeWhine could hook up and become a hot ticket.
HMMMM!!
November 14th, 2006 at 6:00 pm48. They also taught to take responsibility for your own actions. Republican actions. Now you get pissy and demand a Democrat solution. Passing the buck. It was pointed out earlier the extensive cost. Are you prepared for massive tax increases, gas shortages, the implementation of the draft and escalated war in the region to correct the wrong committed by this administration?
November 14th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI don’t think our troops should be used for what’s called nation-building.
– George W. Bush spoken during a nationally televised debate, October 11, 2000.
One more lie. Our choice: We broke it, we bought it OR why keep breaking it more and killing ourselves doing it?
November 14th, 2006 at 6:05 pmoh, but dr frist, there is good news today regarding the global war on terrorism:
the terrorists of the bush crime family have charges filed against them in germany.
this is indeed great news for all who understand that the only terrorists harming america are in the white house… any interested parties can keep track of the case and read the complaint–the 14 page introduction is quite good–can visit the center for constitutional rights page here.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:05 pm#48…..
November 14th, 2006 at 6:06 pmYes, we learned that when one makes a mess, one is responsible for cleaning it up.
It didn’t take to many messes before we accessed the next level, which is:
Don’t make a mess in the first place..
Such as most of the world tried to tell you neo-clowns 5 years ago…………
Rx2,
November 14th, 2006 at 6:10 pmSometimes, when we make a HUGE boo-boo, we need a little discipline. Didn’t your mom ever correct your bad behavior, OR is that the Bush Cabal’s excuse for snubbing their nose at ANY criticism up until Nov. 7, NO OVERSIGHT/DISCIPLINE/CORRECTIVE ACTION = CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR?
We made the mess and it would be improper and morally incorrect to leave the Iraqi’s high and dry in there desperate time of need.
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 14, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
But it’s morally okay with you to have bombed the hell out of them to begin with?
How is killing someone helping them Roger?
November 14th, 2006 at 6:13 pmEither way, we are still in that Country today. We made the mess and it would be improper and morally incorrect to leave the Iraqi’s high and dry in there desperate time of need. To that end, it is our duty to get this job done and work with them until they are completely free and can defend themselves. When we make a mess, we should clean it up. Or is that a lesson your parents didn’t teach you guys as children?
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 14, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
Rog you reason like a child!
We did not make the mess… we simply changed it.
I’m sure that you will be the first to tell us how bad things sucked under Saddam… guess what things still suck… just in different ways… we did not cause the suckiness!
They were not completely free then and they are not completely free now… at least now they have an opportunity to make something out of their country if they so wish… we can not do it for them!
November 14th, 2006 at 6:13 pmRodger’s “victory in Iraq”
Golly, Rodger is saying that in order to have “victory in Iraq,” the country has to return to where it was before his mass murdering, baby killing, Christian Fuhrer invaded the country.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:16 pm#13, PLC, remember when Bush tried to explain “sovereignty”?
November 14th, 2006 at 6:16 pmThey were not completely free then and they are not completely free now…
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — November 14, 2006 @ 6:13 pm
Sounds like the middle class…
I’m almost convince that Lincoln didn’t emancipate the slaves, but that the rich turned everyone else into slaves so that you couldn’t tell the difference…
November 14th, 2006 at 6:16 pmIt’s like an old movie:
The know-it-all doesn’t listen to the warnings of the locals and gets himself trapped in the old mine. When the locals come to rescue him all he can do is bitch and moan and complain about why aren’t they going faster, can’t they do their job right and so on.
Sound familiar?
November 14th, 2006 at 6:16 pmHere’s a deal, cons. You saddle democrats with the responsibility fixing the Iraq debacle. Fine. Just don’t complain when democrats start investigating possible constitutional crimes. And if it turns out that crimes have been committed that go beyond lying about a blowjob, don’t start honking and braying when somebody mentions impeachment.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:22 pmWhen we make a mess, we should clean it up. Or is that a lesson your parents didn’t teach you guys as children? —– Roger_Roger
Yeah why the f*ck you republicans haven’t cleaned up the mess in 6 years is beyond me too Roger_Doger.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:27 pmYou guys Can’t clean your own mess up and keep sh*tting in your own plates.
you hypocritical #!#$%&% %$#^ piece of #$%&^
Rodger^2 is ironic to the max
This clown is demanding that his Fuhrer can play pretrend “install Democracy” in Iraq, all the while he supports, applauds, and defends a mass murtdering terrorist traitor that has nullified the U. S. Constitution, shredded the Bill of Rights, and committed massive crimes against 200 years of case law — all while denying the Geneva Acts, Accords, and Conventions.
Good fu*king grief, rightard piles of shit don’t deserve to live in America.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:28 pmcouldn’t have said it better, wayne…
November 14th, 2006 at 6:29 pmyou hypocritical #!#$%&% %$#^ piece of #$%&^
Comment by Wayne
Impressive… :)
November 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pmI’m almost convince that Lincoln didn’t emancipate the slaves, but that the rich turned everyone else into slaves so that you couldn’t tell the difference…
Comment by unbelievable — November 14, 2006 @ 6:16 pm
unbelieable – have you seen “Yes Men”?
If not you must must put it on your list of movies to see… it is F*cking hilarious!!!
Your comment reminds me of a part in it where they talked about how much cheaper it is to outsource work to third world countries than it would be to house, feed, and cloth slaves today.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pmthere are essentially three types of trolls: the first group seems to be the highest populated. this group are mildly retarded that drag their knuckles into a thread, take a shit on the floor and everyone points and stares. the second group are the ones that sign in as ‘veteran’ or patriot or claim to be some sort of pattonesque character who fights the gwot in their underpants while they scratch the bugs out of their head and call everyone else cowards. the third class are the true utter religious/social submorons, such as this roger, who in #59 says possibly one of the most nonsensical arguments i could imagine anyone making for the occupation of iraq….
‘we’ have a ‘moral’ imperative to remain in iraq because ‘we’ made it a mess…these war-mongers always seem to have a mouse in their pocket…there is no ‘we’…it is the bush crime family that choose to invade iraq…any ‘mess’ is theirs and theirs alone…no soldier who volunteered to defend THIS country should die for bush’s mistakes.
but, this third-class swine/troll is willing to have more people die by shaming them into it…by making them somehow feel as if they are responsible for the bush clean-up.
unbelievable!
November 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pmremember when Bush tried to explain “sovereignty�
Comment by JaneESchneider — November 14, 2006 @ 6:16 pm
“Tribal sovereignty means that; it’s sovereign. I mean, you’re a — you’ve been given sovereignty, and you’re viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities.”
—Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004
November 14th, 2006 at 6:32 pm…how much cheaper it is to outsource work to third world countries than it would be to house, feed, and cloth slaves today.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — November 14, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
off topic – but that reminds me of the outsourcing of medical procedures these days – it is true that insurance cos are sending patients to india and thialand for cheaper surgeries… whoddathunkit…
November 14th, 2006 at 6:36 pmI mean, you’re a — you’ve been given sovereignty…
Let me tell you, that went over like a lead balloon on the Nez Perce & Coeur d’Alene Reservations.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:38 pmhave you seen “Yes Men� If not you must must put it on your list of movies to see… it is F*cking hilarious!!!
I haven’t. I’ll have to look for it. Is it on DVD?
Your comment reminds me of a part in it where they talked about how much cheaper it is to outsource work to third world countries than it would be to house, feed, and cloth slaves today.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — November 14, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
Always about money with those greedy neocon pigs. Never about the morals they claim a monopoly over. I try not to hate, but they really, really, really make it hard.
Thanks for the suggestion. That’ll make it easier to wade through most of the Hollywood garbage on the movie rental shelves…
November 14th, 2006 at 6:43 pm“BERLIN – Lawyers for inmates of Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay asked German prosecutors Tuesday to open a war crimes investigation of outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other U.S. officials for their alleged roles in abuse at the detention centers. ”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/ap_on_re_eu/germany_rumsfeld_suit
November 14th, 2006 at 6:46 pmSince when has Bill Frist decided that honesty may be the best policy????
November 14th, 2006 at 6:47 pmSince his butt got whipped in the midterms dismissing any degree of relevance he now has or will ever have again? Guess the worm turns…
Is it on DVD?
Comment by unbelievable — November 14, 2006 @ 6:43 pm
Yes… I have seen it at Blockbuster and Hollywood video.
Let me know what you think the next time you see me around.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:52 pmTo add what everyone else here has already said,
There is NO victory in Iraq! We are occupying an allegedly sovereign nation. There is no “winning” or “losing” an occupation. You either take complete control of the territory you are occupying permanently (annexation-see Hitler and Austria-Hungary) or you get the hell out. The simple reality that many of us who have served in our nation’s armed forces have been saying from the beginning of this debacle is that it is impossible to force democracy on a people at the point of a gun. If the Iraqis had truly wanted to be free, they would have risen up and taken the mantle of freedom upon themselves much like our founding fathers did. But that’s not really what this war and the ensuing occupation has ever been about (nor was it about WMD, ties to al qaeda or any of the other nonsense spoon-fed to the American people by the LIARS in the white house and the pentagon). This war was, is, and always will be about money, oil and American hegemony. There is no spinning that fact any longer and simpering deluded fools like Rogerx2 will bleat and babble about it until they finally realize that no one is listening any longer. I, for one, am not giving them another moment’s notice – They’ve been WRONG for the last 6 years and last Tuesday shows that the American people know it! They want us to give a plan for victory in Iraq? That’s not our responsibility (nor that of our newly elected majorities in both houses of Congress). Our responsibility is to get rid of the enormous target painted on the backs of our brave men and women who have gallantly completed every mission we have assigned to them in Iraq. In short, it’s time to bring them all home and allow the Iraqi people to take control of their own destiny, whatever that may be.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:54 pmIn July, Frist said the conservative national security message for 2006 was, “We’re for staying the course in Iraq and the war on terror.†And as recently as last month, Frist said the U.S. was making “tremendous progress†in Iraq.
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I think the fact that he said this while he was still Senate Majority Leader and has all of a sudden changed his tune is very telling. Interesting, isn’t it, that the situation in Iraq was supposedly going so well when the Republicans were in charge of Congress — but almost to the second that the Democrats take over, all of a sudden everything is a mess. Does it really seem likely that Frist has finally woken up and smelled the coffee? Nah…I wouldn’t be surprised if Frist is suddenly reversing his position in order to put pressure on the Democrats so that when there isn’t an immediate turnaround in Iraq, this will suddenly be their fault even though it’s always easier to destroy than it is to create and this mess is now three years in the making.
People need to remember one thing about politicians — they very rarely if ever say anything which isn’t motivated by an agenda. They want to get the public on their side, and much of the time they don’t particularly care what they have to say in order to accomplish that. If they see that the tide of popular opinion is turning against their position, they don’t hesitate to change their tune — and there’s no doubt in my mind that this is how Frist interprets the results of the recent election, as at least in part a repudiation of the “stay the course” message. Given that it has been suggested Frist will run for the Presidency, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s changing his tune now so that he has a better chance of appealing to the voters.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:57 pmThe Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld gang, et al ad nauseum, illegal criminal invasion and occupation of both Afghanistan and Iraq will not stand. Some two hundred and thirty years ago we (then British Colonists) Americans resisted British Crown aggression and colonialism. Why do we think that the Afghani and Iraqi peoples should react any differently to foreign occupation in the 21st century?
Bush has been trying to terrorize the Afghani and Iraqi peoples for the last several years into accepting western-run puppet governments. These continuing foreign occupations are criminal in nature. We should immediately withdraw all military, para-military and Hessian forces from Afghanistan and Iraq and let these peoples sort out their own futures without Western interference.
Cheers.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:05 pmWhy are we still hearing from Bill Frist? Why hasn’t the DOJ given him the same courtesy as Martha Stewart? Why hasn’t the SEC investigation moved forward? Is the Bush Administration only out to correct corporate corruption when it does not mean attacking one of their own? What Frist did with his stock, his supposed blind trust, his family wealth, etc. is illegal and deserving of prosecution now, not later. Is Frist just being allowed to leave office and go home without any action being taken against him for his crimes? Whether the new Congress cleans up its houses or not after January, 2007 will not affect Frist, but he should have had to skulk home or go into rehab like Foley, without any power or the myth of righteousness. It is imperative that the DOJ and SEC take action so as to dispel any notion Frist night have about running for President in 2008. He probably would only declare his candidacy to get his hands on some of the public money and whatever he gets from the special interests who have bought his soul long ago. God forbid he go back into the practice of medicine; any idiot who would pretend to give a professional opinion based only on a brief video (Terri Schiavo) should not be allowed to pretend to be a doctor bound by the Hippocratic oath. The world deserves to see Frist do the perp walk!
November 14th, 2006 at 7:07 pmWow!
November 14th, 2006 at 7:07 pm#71, Unb, thanks for coming up with the whole quote–it’s even more pathetic than I remembered!
Gotta run, ‘night all!
November 14th, 2006 at 7:09 pma second victory on the global war on terror today!!! senator levin to investigate the bush crime family’s use of international torture sites
see #55 for today’s first victory over terrorism
November 14th, 2006 at 7:09 pmThis is the same moron who held up a videotape of Terry Schiavo and declared that he is a physician and that he had determined she was conscious. Why should we expect him to be any less of a moron on his position on the war?
November 14th, 2006 at 7:13 pmDear Mr. Risser – Yes, I can see where One Worldism appeals to you. I have no affection for German Law – German Laws were designed to obfuscate the truth and deny justice. German laws have been notoriously soft of terror suspects, child molesters and murderers. Yes, I understand why such a viewpoint would appeal to a man such such as you.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:24 pmSo what is the Dems plan for victory in Iraq? — Roger_Roger
To that end, it is our duty to get this job done and work with them until they are completely free and can defend themselves. When we make a mess, we should clean it up. — Roger_Roger
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*Sigh*…Roger, Roger, Roger, can you not see that you’ve undermined your own argument? By asking what plan the Democrats have to accomplish victory in Iraq, you’re implying that it’s their responsibility now to fix the situation despite the fact that they were not the ones who created it. This contradicts your suggestion that people should take responsibility for fixing the problems they create. Admittedly, plenty of Democrats originally supported or at least went along with the intention to enter Iraq — nevertheless, Roger, must I really remind you again just which party was in charge of both houses of Congress during this period? And which party it was which was suggesting that anyone who didn’t agree with Dubya’s policies was anti-American and a possible terrorist sympathizer? And when you make a habit of attaching unrelated legislation to bills for military appropriation (i.e., the Real ID Act), how is that not manipulating or blackmailing someone to vote for it — particularly since everyone knows that they will simply be conveniently vilified later on as someone who DOESN’T SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!! if they don’t??
I think this is what they call “hoist with your own petard”, Roger…
November 14th, 2006 at 7:24 pmMighty A-hole: “German laws have been notoriously soft of terror suspects, child molesters and murderers. Yes, I understand why such a viewpoint would appeal to a man such such as you.”
God, Mighty, you really are an a-hole. Please take this bile-filled hatred somewhere else.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:30 pmThomas Ricks’ Fiasco chould be required reading for anyone in Congress or the Administration… i’ll bet it already is in the Pentagon.
then, perhaps the talking heads and trolls might think before they flap their gums (or laptops)… or else be judged like this crop of disfunctional, arrogant “empire builders” will be in history.
“Victory”. it should be more than just a PowerPoint logo photo op for poseurs to stand in front of.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:32 pmTo # 48 Roger_Roger:
Are you f*cking kidding. You trolls have the nerve to come on these blogs and NOW admit Bush was full of sh*t for going into Iraq in the first place. You have the unmitigated gall to actually say express what is “proper” and “moral” in Iraq. Our stupid a*s coward of a president and all his single digit-IQ sheep followers are the reason we are in this position today.
A*shole!!!!
November 14th, 2006 at 7:38 pmFunny thing- how we were doing SO WELL in Iraq, until the Repub’s got their asses haned to them last week- now the truth seems to have magically appeared from nowhere-
November 14th, 2006 at 7:47 pmwhat about the troops who are pawns to scummy chickenhawk warmongering politicos and scummy chickenhawk right wing pundits?
Sounds like someone is trying to get broad appeal for, I dunno, a presidential run?? Iraq is obvs a sore subject with most.. what better way to seek a nom than by trying to appeal to the masses.
November 14th, 2006 at 8:10 pmThe American occupation of Iraq is not in a persistent vegetative state – I saw that on TV.
November 14th, 2006 at 8:28 pmBush makes the biggest blunder ever and now someone is supposed to come in and fix it. Give me a break. Iraq was never going to work out the way the neocons projected. The best we can hope for is to just get out and try to contain the damage for the next 20+ years. I just don’t want to hear anyone say that we could have won if we had not lost our will. We never should have attacked Iraq.
November 14th, 2006 at 8:30 pmiraqi health minister:
November 14th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
YAY!! Mighty Hermaphrodite is back!
November 14th, 2006 at 8:52 pmTo # 48 Roger_Roger:
Are you f*cking kidding. You trolls have the nerve to come on these blogs and NOW admit Bush was full of sh*t for going into Iraq in the first place. You have the unmitigated gall to actually say express what is “proper†and “moral†in Iraq. Our stupid a*s coward of a president and all his single digit-IQ sheep followers are the reason we are in this position today.
A*shole!!!!
Comment by not impressed with the U.S. — November 14, 2006 @ 7:38
November 14th, 2006 at 9:17 pmThat was sooo good! “unmitigated gall” took the words right out of mouth–I really mean that. These low life scum will not go away. They are as sick as humans can get. They are all little piss ants. They want us to defacate on them. The blow up frogs-burn cats-torture dogs. Not one would give you an address and place to meet them. I have tried-I live in Houston with several of these disgusting perverts and they don’t want to meet. I think they are scared I would bring unbe or Zoo with me.
The question is: Do the Democrats have a plan for Victory in Iraq?
Ans: NO!
Q: Do the Republicans have any plan for Iraq?
A: Yes, they do! Their plan is to continue to try to steal Iraq’s oil; short of that, blow hundreds of $$ Billions of American wealth.
Q: If the Democrats were to develop a play for Iraq, what would it be?
A: get out of Iraq now; do not pass go, do not collect $200! Do not steal the oil! Do NOT continue to enrich Halliburton or the Carlyle Group.
Q: what should be done about the falsehoods which led the U.S. into Iraq?
A: Impeach them all – or just turn them over to the Hague for trial on War crimes.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:18 pmI agree with Juan. How about some positive stuff from the middle and not so much negative hypocritical crazy Republispins?
November 14th, 2006 at 9:35 pm“Pottery Barn Rule”? If it was my pottery barn, I wouldn’t care if they fixed it or paid for it or neither. Just get the f*%k outa my Pottery Barn!
November 14th, 2006 at 9:38 pmRepugs are unable to define victory nor can they define winning.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:55 pmBut they want the Dems to state a plan for victory/winning and implement it yesterday. Forget that they have had nearly four years to develop something and they have failed. It was only when they had their asses handed to them last week that they have changed their tune from “we are winning” (whatever that is) to we are not winning.
They are very eager to have Dems on board with them as the ship goes down in Iraq; spread the blame around, point fingers, and otherwise behave like children.
Comment by spamonwry — November 14, 2006 @ 9:18 pm
great name…
November 14th, 2006 at 9:58 pmFrist made a fool of himself in the Terri Schiavo case. He showed us what a liar he is when he denied any wrong doing with his stock holdings. The SEC should be investigating him – instead, he is giving interviews as if he had any legitimacy at all.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:59 pmWe lost this war the day we invaded. Some things can’t be un-broke.
November 14th, 2006 at 10:00 pmmarie – did you listen to randi today?
wish they posted transcripts… she had the best ideas i’ve heard yet…
get out of there – AFTER apologizing, and leave ALL the equipment behind… they are quite capable of fixing their country, thank you…
bushco has no intention of leaving a “base” the size of vatican city…
such an incredible FUBAR…
November 14th, 2006 at 10:06 pm.
Katy,
November 14th, 2006 at 10:39 pmMy liberal radio station WCPT is a “daytime” only station – it doesn’t come on until 7AM now and it shuts down around 5PM. It will be like this until the spring (longer days means longer broadcasting – stupid FCC rule).
So I did not hear Randi Rhodes. It’s not a convenient time for me to listen to her on line.
She is full of ideas – and you mention what sounds like a good one.
I really miss hearing her daily.
marie – i know you can get the podcasts of her show… all of AAR actually…
November 14th, 2006 at 10:58 pmmaybe i just take in too much stuff, but i’m not very good at recall… even worse at trying to tell jokes… i have to write everything down…
by the way – i’m really liking rachel in the evenings now… 5-7… kind of a wind down from randi’s high strung style… in my opinion…
Win what in Iraq? Shall we continue to occupy that country until they stop fighting us?
November 14th, 2006 at 11:15 pmHow long would we Americans fight an occupying army? What makes anyone think that the people of Iraq are any different from anyone else. We invaded a country that had not threatened us or anyone else , we should not ‘win’ , we should leave. If there is a reason to declare war on another country, then, according to our Constitution , only congress can do it. Since congress has not declared war, there is nothing to ‘win’. The people of Iraq have every right to fight us as long as we are in their country. I would do no less if they were here.
Yank the troops, impeach the Bush, and sell Frist for medical experiments – there’s a victory!
November 14th, 2006 at 11:38 pm#9 Hey Roger whats the Republican plan for travelling back in time and killing Hitler before he’s born?
Your question makes the grossly fallacious assumption that every problem has a solution. Or that every situation could have some sort of beneficial outcome.
Is there ANYTHING you think USA!! USA!! USA!! can’t accomplish?
If there is, please give some examples now, and distinguish those examples from the current situation in iraq.
Could we take over and occupy the entire world if we wanted to?
Could we stay in Iraq, and also win a nuclear war if we had to fight RUssia and China at the same time, if North Korea attacked Japan at the same time?
Can we kill every person that hates us? Theres only a finite number of those, right? Its not like the process of killing them could ever conceivably create more…
Let me state it simply.. there is absolutely NO political party or group that has the potential to create an Iraqi government that is both democratic AND pro-western/pro israel. Period. They dont exist. The most and best you could ever hope for is either:
A) an UNDEMOCRATIC brutal dictator who keeps shia iran from controlling iraq (hmm sounds like the situation pre invasion)
or
b) an “democracy” controlled by Iran, that well.. won’t be a democracy for long.. it will be an extension of Iranian islamic power in the region
which one these options sounds like “Victory” to you Roger?
You keep rambling about “democratic government”.. please tell me what group you envision being democratically elected in Iraq that would be friendly to western interest and hostile to extremist islamist interests?
Do you support the strenghtening of the Iranian regime by it gaining influence in Iraq?
Or Do you support a brutal non-democratic dictator who keeps the majority shias from gaining power?
Which one is victory to you? Please expand upon some other scenario you see occuring.. SPECIFICS please.. more than just .. DEMOCRACY and KILL ALL THE TERRORISTS!!
November 14th, 2006 at 11:49 pm“Hey, TP, in some moment, would you show an interview with Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, MIchael Moore, etc…just for some healthy equilibrium?
Comment by Juan C — November 14, 2006 @ 4:47 pm”
Problem is, where can we find those interviews? Democracy Now, OK, but not in the cable or network media! More’s the pity.
If we had healthy equilibrium in the first place…
November 15th, 2006 at 12:11 amLooks like Mighty Panties left in a hurry – sort of like the above mentioned troll who takes a dump on the floor?
November 15th, 2006 at 12:23 amBut I thought she was the sociopathic kind!
I have to admit, you can always hear her snooty, holier than thou tone right through the screen – I am impressed!
But imagine being that kind of person…
Let’s hook her up with Frist! What a couple!
Roger, lets assume that a majority of Iraqis support a political party that has the following poltical platform. Most of these arent unrealistic. AT ALL. In fact, alot of these ideas are probably currently held by a majority of Iraqis. Please let us know which of these idealogies you have have a problem with the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government of Iraq having?
1) Death to Israel
2) Death to America
3) We want to sell all our Oil to Russia and China. No business agreements
with American or British companies are allowed.
4) Hamas is our ally
5) Hezbollah is our ally
6) We cheer Al-Quedas attacks on america (see #2)
7) The Bible is banned
8) All laws must conform is Islamic law
9) Christianity is outlawed. Its legal to burn christian churches.
10) NO american prescense in Iraq. That means all your base belong to them.
As long as the Iraqi party that holds these beleifs is democratically elected, your OK with all this, right Roger?
November 15th, 2006 at 12:37 amLook, I told you, before you jumped, that you would need a parachute.
November 15th, 2006 at 12:56 amYou were in such a hurry that you jumped without it.
Now, halfway down, you want me to bring you a chute.
Sorry, no can do.
It’s a little late for Frist to start thinking, isn’t it?
November 15th, 2006 at 12:57 amWhat americans dont know is : ” america is jews state ”
Sharon to Peres: “We Control America”
On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and “turn the US against us. “Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying “don’t worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America.”
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html
“The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate.” — Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS’ “Face the Nation”.
“I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews….. terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen …. I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don’t approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country”
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html
November 15th, 2006 at 1:04 amSharon to Peres: “We Control America”
On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and “turn the US against us. “Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying “don’t worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America.”
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html
“The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate.” — Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS’ “Face the Nation”.
“I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews….. terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen …. I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don’t approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country” ——Sec. of State John Foster Dulles quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html
November 15th, 2006 at 1:07 amThanks Bill for clearing that up. Until then, I thought we were winning.
You’ve done such a thorough job of FUBAR! You and your Rep. pals are to be commended for being the biggest Congressional losers ever in the history of our country.
As for your Presidential run. I’m not worried, I’m sure you’ll screw that up too!
To those of you wanting “a plan.” Note this from the past campaign trail.
EX-Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) said GWB has a plan, it’s just a secret. If he told us, we would just blab it all over. C’mon GWB, we can keep a secret, leak it out.
Bring ‘em home now!
November 15th, 2006 at 3:39 amSo what happened next – Hannity’s head exploded?
November 15th, 2006 at 3:57 amRoger Roger when you attack, rape, torture, and kill a large mass of people at what point do you think you have “won?”
November 15th, 2006 at 4:07 amWhat is President Bush’s plan for victory in Iraq?
HOW does he intend to provide the Iraqi peope with a government that is capable of protecting them and keeping the peace?
HOW does he intend to provide that all Iraqis are free and functioning under a democratic government?
Those are the questions that Bush refuses to answer. To date, after more than three years of occupation, the only thing that roger_roger and George Bush can point to is purple fingers. As of now, the Iraqi government is absolutely incapable of protecting Iraqis. What is Bush’s plan to achieve that goal? What are the measurable milestones along the way so that we can say for certain that progress towards the goal is being achieved? To date, the only milestone that we’ve heard is “As the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.” Then Rumsfeld tells us about how many more brigades of Iraqi army and police have reached functioning levels and we STILL don’t stand down. That’s not progress towards the goal. That’s not moving towards victory. That’s failure.
November 15th, 2006 at 7:49 amThere are many goals that need to be achieved for a free and democratic government in Iraq, but these are not mlitary goals. Tank gunners don’t write tax law. Artillerymen and Infantry mortarmen are not trained in setting up political processes or designing geo-political strategy. Yes, there is still much to do in order to achieve “victory” in Iraq, but these tasks are not tasks of the military. Bringing our troops home would be a good first step in acheiving peace in the region. The presence of US troops in Iraq draws the exact radical groups in that we are needing to keep out. Also, please realize that if the Iraqis are free, then they are free to hate the US and Israel, even though we may not like that. They are free to elect a radical Shia government, if that is what the majority want. They are free to ally with Iran and Syria, just as we are free to choose our allies.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:02 amI JUST LOVE THE REPUBLICANS THAT ASK WHAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE FOR A PLAN FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ.
BUSH MADE THIS MESS. THIS WAS, AND IS A WAR OF CHOICE, A WAR OF CONVIENENCE.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:03 amoh this is excellent…seeing the Repugs squirm like this.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:58 amBush’s grand experiment for Democracy in Iraq failed because it had a zero chance of suceeding in the first place. The middle east is so immersed in religious superstition nothing short of depopulation could ever work. It’s been tried over and over. Any change to the governing will have to come within to be successful. The neocons and the Bush administration had their heads up there collective asses to even consider such an idea, a quick glance at middle east history would confirm this, it’s been tried and failed many times. Daddy Bush didn’t go into Bagdad for that very reason. The only thing left to do is for the U.S. to get out as fast as possible.
November 15th, 2006 at 9:25 am“War, at first, is the hope that one will be better off; next, the expectation that the other fellow will be worse off; then, the satisfaction that he isn’t any better off; and, finally, the surprise at everyone’s being worse off.”
November 15th, 2006 at 9:34 am–Karl Kraus, writer (1874-1936)
no s___ Bill. And you wonder why the nation wonders about the ability of the Republican party to lead the nation?
November 15th, 2006 at 10:09 amtesting…
November 15th, 2006 at 11:37 amWe won the war in Iraq – we did regime change. Saddam is not in power. Elections have been held so democracy fluorishes. We have done everything we were told were our goals. We have shown the Muslim world what happens when America is attacked (I think Tren Lott said it best he can’t tell Siites from Sunnis, they all have the same skin color), we have killed countless times more of “them” than “they” killed of us. Of course, now another nearly 3000 Americans have died (and lots more wounded), so we have to stay around to avenge those additional casualties. Doesn’t seem to end, does it? What is it we’re out to “win”?
November 15th, 2006 at 12:18 pmroger roger, bush invaded iraq, he is the one who must have the retreat plan for iraq, not the dems..
November 15th, 2006 at 12:36 pmthe buck stops at the chimps desk.
commenting on number 131 by james risser. The people who attacked us were not the people we are killing in Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 911 the Bush administration just wanted to link the two together.
November 15th, 2006 at 1:50 pmEveryone knows Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 – The point was since people (like Trent Lott) can’t tell Shiites from Sunnis, because they all look alike, the same goes for Iraqis & Saudis (most of the hijackers were Saudi), so we got to take revenge against anyone who LOOKS similar to bin Laden’s crew. Now that the Sunnis & Shiites in Iraq are attacking our guys for attacking their homeland, we really get to lump them altogether.
November 15th, 2006 at 2:07 pmFRIST IS WHAT IN SPANISH WOULD BE CALLED,A “VELETA”. RESPONDING TO THE WING THAT HITS IT. I HOPE THAT WITH THAT TURN AROUND HIS AMBITIONS ARE DASHED TO SMITHERINS… THANK GOD FOR THE DEMOCRATS, FOR CLINTON, KERRY, HILLARY, PELOSI, FEINSTEIN, ETC. ETC.
November 15th, 2006 at 7:29 pmNovember 15th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
ROGER–i AM SURE THEY HAVE A UNIFORM THAT WILL FIT YOUR SORRY ASS.ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS CUT A HOLE IN THE SEAT FOR THE CHICKEN HAWK FEATHERS TO PROTRUDE.THE IRAQS DON’T WANT US THERE ONLY BUSH CHENEY AND BIG OIL KEEP THIS FARCE GOING AND FOOLS LIKE YOU.
November 16th, 2006 at 3:08 pmAll you “Do the Dems have a plan for Iraq” parrots are hysterical. You have no sense of proportion.
Let’s seeee….. You have a daughter with two suitors. The first one kidnaps her, rapes her, gives her to his buddies to rape, slashes her face, cuts out her tongue and then keeps her tied up in a pit in the backyard. And you stand there saying, “Hmmmm, I don’t know if the second guy makes enough money for my little girl.”
You right-wingnuts are idiots. _Hundreds_ of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars (YOUR money that you worked HARD to earn) have disappeared from the Iraq budget, with no ability to get them back, let alone find out who stole them, and you still crow about “those scary muslims.” Just do us all a favor & indenture yourself & your family to the pentagon right now, and stay out of the way of Patriotic Americans.
November 16th, 2006 at 3:36 pmBill Frist is not someone to ask about the war. He is being investigated for inside trading. His family has made BILLIONS OF DOLLARS because of his corrupt dealings . He has hurt our old people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 30th, 2006 at 3:38 amThe dems are the glue that will make the government better. Bill Frist made billions for his family, while in office and in the next few days because of his corrupt dealings millions of people will be caught in the so called doughnut hole. Thank you Bush and Frist. They will have to pay 100 percent for thier precriptions. Thank You. And Frists famiy makes billions! He knows he has done wrong but where is the apology?
November 30th, 2006 at 3:55 am