Former President Bush Blames ‘Bloggers’ for ‘Ugly’ Political Climate
Former President Bush Blames ‘Bloggers’ for ‘Ugly’ Political Climate
Last night on Fox News, former President George H.W. Bush said the current political climate has “gotten so adversarial that it’s ugly.” Asked to offer an explanation for why there is this “incivility,” Bush pinned the blame on bloggers. “It’s probably a little worse now given electronic media and the bloggers and all these kinds of things,” he said. Watch it:
Also, Bush revealed that he enjoys using “the email” but lamented that his son, President George W. Bush, cannot for fear that the emails would get subpoenaed. Bush worried that presidents who used email would be forced to prove “that you were telling the truth and all this stuff.”
Transcript:
GRETA: You are a letter writer. Tons of letters.
H.W. BUSH: Not anymore. Because now I use the email. And the computer. And I find that I don’t do near as much writing as I used to, letters as I used to. I don’t save them. And I am worried about that a little bit not that I have that much more to say, but I think it’s too bad in a way that email will detract from the historical record of presidents. I don’t think that the President Bush uses email.
BARBARA BUSH: He doesn’t.
H.W. BUSH: You worry about it. People are going to subpoena the email records and we are going to, you know, you’ve gotta prove that you were telling the truth and all this stuff. I mean, it’s gotten so adversarial that it’s ugly.
GRETA: Why do you think it’s gotten so adversarial? Tonight is literacy. Everybody comes in from all different sides and wants to help. It seems like oftentimes in Washington, you know, on something we all want to work towards it’s not necessarily so civilized. It’s not so pleasant.
H.W. BUSH: It’s true but that’s not new really. I mean, you go back in history and you’ll find that there was always adversarial politics. There was always gut fighting. And it’s probably a little worse now given the electronic media and the bloggers and all these kinds of things. But I don’t despair about it. I think things — there is a pendulum at work at times so you swing away from the incivility back to more normal climate.
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Yes, the bloggers are responsible for the uncivil tone in politics today.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:14 pmNot the Republican majority who for years refused to allow ANY participation in the legislative process, not the prezidunce whose tools smeared anyone who dared contradict anything they spewed.
Right.
Yes…we certainly know how GWB feels about telling the truth. Now if he just told the truth all the time he wouldn’t have anything to worry about!!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:14 pmHas the former President been listening to “Ahnold” and “these kinds of things” for the past several years?
Mr. Bush, you and the mrs. should look to each other for the “procreation” of the incivility.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:15 pmH.W., I urge you to take a good hard look at your son’s friends, then try telling us it’s us bloggers who made politics uncivil.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:16 pmGeorge H.W. Bush please just STFU on subject matter you know nothing about.
Of course your against the power of netroots because it provides checks and balances and enlightens all of which is anathema to your corrupt and power hungry demeanor.
AssHat !
November 14th, 2006 at 12:17 pmThese ppl are nuts. This is what…? The 3rd of 4th “news” item re: bloggers to come from the RightWing since the election. First it was Fox News “Are Bloggers Terrorist”, the Judith Miller and now this.
I smell a rat!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:19 pmAs one who ran one of the filthiest campaigns in the history of campagns, I find this laughable coming from GHW Bush
Never mind that the churlish, petulant, spoiled, idiotic cases of arrested development laughingly called the 109th congress, populated by rich white racist, homophobic fake christians, lowered the bar for discourse to the extent where Jerry Springer shows seemed civilized.
But of course, ex-Preznit Bush didn’t even know about the price of milk or scanners in the supermarkets. He is married to a self-absorbed, bloated sociopath who believes she is queen.
These people are simply out of touch with reality. Period.
They all need vallium holidays on the banana farm.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:19 pm“you’ve gotta prove that you were telling the truth and all this stuff.”
so, if you hand write letters, you can leave the truthiness out and you’ll never be asked to prove it? and why is “proving” you’re telling the truth such a foriegn idea to politicians?
November 14th, 2006 at 12:19 pmYeah, right, its bloggers and not the Nazi RethugliKKKan genocidial pig f*ckers. DAMN THEM! DAMN THEM ALL! Nazi Reich wing a**hole$!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:20 pmSince a Free Republic blogger was just arrested by federal agents for sending phony anthrax powder letters to liberals, I assume Bush is talking about right-wing bloggers.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:21 pmBush has a bit of a point, just look through any of the longer comment threads at TP, or any other politics site, and look at all the terms/insults that get thrown around at the other side. Those don’t do anything to further the discourse, and just tend to rile people up if they are directed at them.
But then again, I wouldn’t expect a bunch of moonbat-communist-fascist-libtards to understand that.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:22 pmI think it is safe to say that Bush, like my 73 year old father, has absolutely no clue about what a blog is, what it’s all about or how to even get to one.
“Blog” or “bloggers” have just become another one of those generic terms which Republicans are trying to burn into apathetic and lazy American brains as something to use to denigrate anyone who might actually want to express an opinion outside the mainstream corporate media conduit.
Yep, and you have to agree with daddy that it’s just damn inconvenient that you might be forced to prove “that you were telling the truth and all this stuff.â€
Lord knows we just can’t have that! The truth??? C’mon !!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmYes, George…you need a nice hot cup of STFU
The “let them eat cake family” doesn’t see it coming do they…?
They don’t empathize with other people’s life realities…they don’t know because they don’t care to know….they are comfortable, arrogant, ignorant, spoiled, and criminal.
So……….care for another cup Georgie?
November 14th, 2006 at 12:24 pmAs someone who wakes up next to Barbara Bush every morning, he is undoubtably an expert on ugly. Perhaps we should hear him out . . .
November 14th, 2006 at 12:24 pmWhy is Sr. getting propped up everywhere now?
November 14th, 2006 at 12:24 pmWould someone please teleport these assclowns to Paraguay already!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:25 pmSo Limbaugh, O’Rielly and DeLay are blameless according to the former President? Does he even read what the bloggers say or just rely on Rush to provide the details. Poppy is out of his element here.
He did reveal that George W. Bush does not use e-mail to avoid subpoena. That right there tells you that he has plenty to hide.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:25 pmOH MY GOD! Forcing a politician to prove he’s telling the truth. That’s…. that’s…. honest. Next thing you know they’re going to encourage them to tell the truth in the first place. Then comes following through on campaign promises… Where will the horror end???
Bite me!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:27 pmYeah those damn bloggers expose the ugly truth, which old guys like H.W. are not used to.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:29 pmAs if Sr or Jr reads Blogs. As for the division of the American people and the UGly politics you can lay that blame on the non-stop Rovian smear campaign that went on for 6 years. Add that to the current rash of political punditry and Yes, you will get division.
Just as Hitler decided it was GOD that drove him to civilize the world so has Dubya. And as Hitlers mission was a disaster so is Jr’s.
As far as the Emails go George has access to highy encrypted and secured networks. George talks on the phone all the time. Their is no basic difference , they can both tracked, traced, recorded.
What Email has to do with truth I do not understand, If Jr. is gonna lie he is gonna fo it no matter what, Maybe George Jesus should try telling the truth more instead of being worried about being caught in a lie, which hes many tmes, PUBLICLY!!!
Really Sr, If I did what your son did my father would have disowned me. Try not to be an enabler of lies. Do not cover for your BOY, thats what made him the arrogant decider he is.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:29 pmi do think bloggers HAVE added to the incivility, the same way that it seems like there is more spousal abuse than in the fifties. there isn’t really more abuse (i don’t think), but it gets reported now and battered women come forward more often. so abuse is recorded a lot more now than it was then. before blogging, there were a lot of pissed off people on both sides, but there wasn’t such any easy way to vent and debate this crap. so, now the uncivil tone is recorded and posted for all to see, rather than just being swept away as fringe opinion.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI’ve heard it said that 41 wouldn’t know a blog if it bit him on the ass.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:31 pmWould someone please test that theory for me?
Stop hurting my feelings Squishy.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:31 pmPoppy is getting senile!!!
Maybe we ought to start that stem cell research now.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pmNice try.
Poppy is not worried about “incivility” on FOX.
He is not worried about “incivility” in GOP house organs like the WSJ editorial page.
He is not worried about “incivility” of right wing talk radio.
He is not outraged at the incivility of the Right Wing Noise Machine that demonized the Clintons for 8 years and continues to demonize Democrats and liberals.
He blames blogs for exposing the lies and hypocricy of the Right Wing Noise Machine.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pmBut then again, I wouldn’t expect a bunch of moonbat-communist-fascist-libtards to understand that. Comment by squegeeboo
Just the kind of comment I would expect from a hypocritical-goosestepping-Bible bending-wingnut to make.
That was kind of fun, wasn’t it squegeeboo?
November 14th, 2006 at 12:33 pm“Quit clouding up Barbara’s beautiful mind with bloggers”
November 14th, 2006 at 12:33 pmThis is coming from a guy who employed the Godfather of dirty tricks Lee Atwater and ran Willie Horton ads to win the election.
He knows all about dirty politics.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:35 pmThese guys realize that MoveOn.Org and other forces on the internets, including the email and the Google, so aroused and organized the opposition that it swamped Karl’s efforts to fix the election. So it’s time to fix the internets, as in neuter it. China’s repression of the internets must look pretty good to Republicans right now.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:38 pmForTruth
Stop hurting my feelings Squishy.
If you want I can get you a tissue to dry your tears.
PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
November 14th, 2006 at 12:38 pmThat was kind of fun, wasn’t it squegeeboo?
I enjoyed it…although I wish I could have thought of more of the standard smears when I wrote it.
Uhhhh, okay.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:39 pmi do think bloggers HAVE added to the incivility,[did your post add to it?] the same way that it seems like there is more spousal abuse than in the fifties.[there are more people today] there isn’t really more abuse (i don’t think), but it gets reported now and battered women come forward more often. so abuse is recorded a lot more now than it was then. before blogging, there were a lot of pissed off people on both sides, but there wasn’t such any easy way to vent and debate this crap. so, now the uncivil tone is recorded and posted for all to see, rather than just being swept away as fringe opinion.
Comment by chriswithstix
So what your saying is the incivility existed before the bloggers, I agree. Now would Bush Sr. here rather have riots and protesters beating up on each other than bloggers, who well, can’t hurt each other over the ‘tubes’ can they?
The bloggers have stolen the thunder of the media opinion machine, no longer are we all on the ’same ‘message’ and thats why, I think, that the Democrats won and why Bushcorp is against the bloggers.
Funny that in 1994 that the GOP claimed that is was the bloggers that helped bring the GrOPes into power in ‘94.
You can’t have it both ways Bushcorp!!! =)
November 14th, 2006 at 12:39 pmIt’s quite sad to see an ex-president, who you’d think would want to maintain some dignity, echo rightwing talking points. Current enemy: THE BLOGGERS! THEY CAME FROM THE INTERNET TO POLLUTE THE POLITICAL DISCOURSE!
Here’s the problem with this already-stale meme: the volume of blogging may be big, but the political discourse is actually dominated by what’s written in the major newspapers and by what’s said at the White House, in Congress, on Fox News and other channels, and most importantly, alas, on rightwing talk radio.
Yes, there is intemperate language on this site and others, but it’s the President who compared Democrats to traitors. The President. He wasn’t driven to this excess by bloggers. Nor was Cheney or any other Republican when they attacked the patriotism of people against the war.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:41 pmeven old poop doesn’t like the smell of new poop. particularly when his son and all his pals are going to the Hague. Why don’t you join them? I think the germans either have a reward for you, or a subpoena. Depends on which ones you deal with. the nazi’s like your dad’s pals, or the new government that has a few questions.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:41 pmYes Squishy, please get me a tissue, the soft kind.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:42 pmYikes.
Yeah, we bloggers caused this atmosphere of political venom. It had nothing to do with 6 years of Republican extremists ramming their ideas and worldview down our throats.
Right.
Sad to see papa Bush buying into all of this ’second reality’ bruhaha. I had hoped he was better than that.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:42 pmFormer President Bush Blames ‘Bloggers’ for ‘Ugly’ Political Climate
Said a former director of the world greatest terrorist organization.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:42 pmDuring the 92 campaign Poppy accused Clinton of ties to the KGB.
The Old Man knows all about “incivility”.
He is unhappy because Internet gives liberals a forum to fight back. Something they couldn’t do under the corporate media monopoly.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:42 pmI blame the GOP for an Ugly Political Climate in Iraq.
I also blame the GOP for the world having an ugly view of America due tp the war president and his minion warmongers. War is much uglier than anything a blogger could ever do. And that War, that death, those innocent childrens lives, sit squarely uppn the shoudlers of the Commander in Chief.
The ugliest Men in American politics are in the White House.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:43 pmAhh, the good old days of civility in politics:
Fracas in Congress: The Battle of Honor between Matthew Lyon and Roger Griswold by Brian T. Neff, Yale University
“On the morning of February 15, 1798, pandemonium broke out on the floor of the United States House of Representatives. Without warning, Federalist Representative Roger Griswold of Connecticut strode across the chambers to where his colleague Matthew Lyon was sitting preoccupied with some correspondence. Cursing him as a “scoundrel,” Griswold pounded the Vermont Republican’s head and shoulders with a thick, hickory walking stick. “
November 14th, 2006 at 12:43 pmBut then again, I wouldn’t expect a bunch of moonbat-communist-fascist-libtards to understand that.
Comment by squegeeboo
Spudge nailed it. Putting those words together has shown your ignorance, squeegee.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:45 pmPoppy Bush is obviously getting senile. There is only ONE person who is to blame for the polarization of this nation, and that is Karl Rove. We had some ethics and some dignity in our political process until that fat asshole came along and threw the rules out the window. Bloggers are not the problem, Karl Rove is the problem. Somebody should bust a cap in his fat ass.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:45 pmBut this is just a continuance of the Bush figer pointing blamegame propaganda machine.
Remember Sr., It’s your friend, Clintons, fault. Get back on in line would ya?
Bwahahhahahaa!!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:47 pmWell at least Herbert Walker is giving undo power to bloggers.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:47 pmI can see where the idiot gets his belligerent, cowardly streak from.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:48 pmTalk about silly posts. Do you know what Fascism is?
Talk about Tards.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:49 pmI gotta agree, the people at Red State are nasty.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:49 pmThanks to Nan for pointing out that this man employed Lee Atwater, who’s electoral political tricks were so low-down and dirty that Lee repented on his deathbed for the evil tricks he had played. 41 always hired guys who ran dirty campaigns.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:50 pmBush 41 uses “the email”….His son likes the “Internets” and using “the google”.
Morons, both of them. Idiots, both of them.
Out of touch, both of them.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:51 pmThis is coming from a guy who employed the Godfather of dirty tricks Lee Atwater and ran Willie Horton ads to win the election.
He knows all about dirty politics.
Comment by Nan
Not only them, but didn’t Karl Rove get his start with HW? I could be wrong about that, but I seem to remember that W met Karl while Karl was working on one of HW’s campaigns, and he had to drive down to the airport to pick him up. And that was, as they say, the start of a beautiful friendship.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pma bunch of moonbat-communist-fascist-libtards to understand that.
Comment by squegeeboo
But these two are priceless…thanks for the laughs, squeegee.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:55 pm–moonbat-communist-fascist-libtards —
Spudge nailed it. Putting those words together has shown your ignorance, squeegee.
—- Juan C
I think Squeege was jesting and knew what he was doing putting those 2 words together Juan =)
November 14th, 2006 at 12:56 pmThis is also the Guy that hired Karl Rove and then fired him for leaking to the press!!!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:56 pmLee Atwater, while working for HW’s late, former boss, set the tone that’s alive and well today. The Republicans have, for 20+ years, relied on that “tone”, and lies about their opponents, to win elections. HW’s deep denial is disappointing at best, and yet another lie at worst. Those who would attempt to lump the Democrats in with that lot are victim-blamers, no more and no less.
These blogs, apparently it bears repeating, as no one wants to accept it, are informal civilian forums, not the floor of the Senate, and the dialogue exchanged herein, no matter its tone or content, is no excuse for elected officials, no excuse for the paid pundit class, and do not need to be held to the same level of accountability as our elected officials and broadcast media .
I know we’re all excited about having a forum, but it’s really no different than the forum once provided (for decades and decades) all over the country in neighborhood barrooms. Now that the insurance industry and law enforcement have put the neighborhood bars out of business, these blogs are as good a venue as the average American can hope to find for debate and discussion with those they agree with and those they don’t. On the upside, the blogs no doubt produce fewer fistfights than the bars once did. Other than that, everyone is making way too big a deal of it - what people like myself have to say here has not a god-damned thing to do with what a politician can or can’t, should or shouldn’t say, in the statehouse or in DC. Enough with the lame-ass excuse making.
HW, I understand you’re trying to run interference to keep your baby boy from getting impeached, but stop reminding everyone what a weak president you were in the process - stick to raising disaster relief money with Clinton, and maybe history will take it easy on you.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:56 pmOF COURSE bloggers have ‘added to the incivility’ of the internet. I remember back in the dim dark recesses of the past, when I was a young wippersnapper and we didn’t have all these new fangled internets to spend hours and hours on, “public discorse” was heading down to the bar to blow off some steam.
So let’s see… giving everyone with a phone access to a microphone and yeah… the signal to noise ration is going to go up with the volume. There are tons and tons of people out there who’s complete ‘manifesto’ is: “I’m right everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a ***k head” without giving any explanation, proof, evidence, even cheap excuse. Contrary to popular belief, letting EVERYONE have their say isn’t automatically followed by everyone has something relevant to say. And to the poly-ticks, to whom public discourse has always been an irritating buzzing in their ears, the only thing that’s changed is that the buzzing has gotten louder. They’ll sieze a post by some innane, inflamatory goof ball who calls himself a blogger and say “Bloggers suck” and for every one they catch, there are plenty of others scurrying around out there to lend weight to their argument.
The bottom line is that the last few major cock-ups by the mainstream media were caught by bloggers. If they want it to stop, then they should stop having cock-ups. Oh wait!!… that’s that honesty thing again. I’m sorry. I’m shamlessly thinking about the public good and about things like news organization going the extra mile to make sure their stories are based on facts and their sources are reputable and callously disregarding the benefits of sensationalism and how much extra money they might have to spend.
I’m such a unfeeling bastard.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:57 pmBut they call themselves value voters and compassionate conservatives!!!
Can you spell Hippo-Crits!! They can’t!!
November 14th, 2006 at 12:58 pm7. But of course, ex-Preznit Bush didn’t even know about the price of milk or scanners in the supermarkets. He is married to a self-absorbed, bloated sociopath who believes she is queen. These people are simply out of touch with reality. Period.
Comment by marblex — November 14, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
Marblex, you’re right on. I just can’t believe that 41 has any clue about anything anymore. He was so out of touch 12-13 years ago with a simple supermarket scanner. How can anyone believe he knows anything about the propagation and effect of electronic media now? Most Republicans are apologists who are looking for anything but responsibility.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:58 pmI guess Bush’s “logic” is that if the bloggers didn’t keep pointing out his administration’s lies, corruption, distortions, mistakes, taking over of the MSM, voter suppression efforts, and repercussions for their poor policies…then they wouldn’t have to retaliate with smears, divisive rhetoric, outing of undercover agents, paying for more Fox news anger, paying for coverage, etc.
So really, if only all the critics would shut up ten this administration wouldn’t have to promote a hateful and divisive mindset amongst its citizens.
November 14th, 2006 at 12:58 pmI think Squeege was jesting and knew what he was doing putting those 2 words together Juan =)
Comment by Wayne
You know what? I think you are right. But you cant never know for sure with these “moderate trolls” :)
November 14th, 2006 at 12:59 pmyeah that happens when a new avenue for communication is opened and gains popularity and is not “controllable” by corporate establishment. I think we call that freedom of speech. So it sort of figures that 41 would frown on such a thing.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:00 pmThe one point about the President and email is the fact that there is no way to test authenticity in any real sense. Say President Hillary Clinton sends an email to someone, that person forwards it, a “Freeper” gets hold of it, “revises” the content in a nasty way, it then goes to a million people, it’s on Drudge, and of course the whole thing is BS.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:00 pmI think Squeege was jesting and knew what he was doing putting those 2 words together Juan =)
What with the rant directly above it about how calling people names does nothing to help the discourse, I thought the joke would be obvious, but the combination of terms was really just the first couple that came to my mind from observing enough trolling on here, and other sites (especially Fark, man they get nasty in the politics section over there)
November 14th, 2006 at 1:00 pmIt sounds like Bush 41 meant to say that because of the internets more people can voice their opinions which makes it seem like there’s more “incivility” and rancor. Bush himself acknowledged that the history of democracy is saturated with emotional debate.
I, for one, think we should bring back dueling.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:01 pmNaw, Like MA, Squishy is intentionally argumentative, just for the sake or argument. Its that know it all lawyer [Lie-yer] mentality.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:02 pmReichWingNuts are pathetic!
They refuse to clean up their own messes and blame anyone but themselves for their failures. That’s a good sign of mental illness.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:04 pmA war of the roses between the Elitist SOB’s [Great Idea!]
November 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pmComment by squegeeboo
I offer my apologies. But with Tundra and you, you cant be completely sure… :)
November 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pmDog_named_Boo
Naw, Like MA, Squishy is intentionally argumentative, just for the sake or argument. Its that know it all lawyer [Lie-yer] mentality.
Nope, generally speaking I go for the joke, except on a few core-issues. Also, it’s the know it all computer[Computer] programmer mentality for me.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:06 pmTrolls aren’t funny squishy. They are annoying. Just like your Joke.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pmI don’t think that the President Bush uses email.
BARBARA BUSH: He doesn’t.
He still have to learn how to use the thumbs.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pmhave??? MY gosh…has..has.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pmwhats laughable is that the audience for blogs is pretty small compared to TALK RADIO. then add in TV and newspapers and the blog audience is even smaller. yet somehow they have this incredibly powerful effect.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:08 pmI would say “once and for all” but I know this won’t be the last time I have to say it.
Sarcasm and subtle humor don’t work that often on the Internet, unless it is in a video on YouTube. People can’t see your facial features or body language. All we have is a bunch of lifeless electrons to look at. Unless it is an outright joke, it normally flops.
In this case, we have a moderate troll call us names, which was meant to be a poke at the extremist trolls.
While I enjoy an attack on trolls, it is hard to convey subtle humor in a blog.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:08 pmYou have to forgive him, his father Prescott supported the Nazis and was a war profiteer. Damn Bush Crime Family.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:12 pmThe blogs are a little like that old “telephone” game in grade school. Each thread starts on a “topic” and ends up who knows where. This medium allows the most coarse adjectives and nouns - but many of us realize the simple prattle of name-calling is evidence of the inability to present an argument.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:12 pmIts hard to convey a lot of messages in e-mail or a blog. Things are misinterpreted all the time. It takes practice. Thank God someone taught me how to be better at it.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:12 pmThinkprogress.org Reports
BLOGGERS BLAME 41st PRESIDENT’S SON FOR FAILED POLICIES
November 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmLabels. Gotta love them as they are the easiest and most prolific way to quickly and efficiently marginalize things.
Who do you think bush sr, who is a contemptible person, is talking about when he says “bloggers”? People, literally just like you and me, people who are speaking through a medium, in this case blogs, but people nonetheless. So, what he is actually saying is that people having a voice (aka free and expressive speech) is the problem.
“Bloggers”, “evangelicals”, “immigrants”, “Blacks”, “Hispanics”, “Muslims”, these are all labels that are used to marginalize people. IMHO the problem is that these labels, and others like them, are allowed to be used and, oddly enough, even accepted by those who are being labeled.
I, for one, do not accept the labels. I am a person with a voice and I will not be marginalized and bush sr can complain all he wants about the voice of the people having an effect. It seems to me that your Constitution agrees with me on this position. So the question for bush sr is “why do you hate america you faux-texan-all-hat-and-no-cattle-wimp-a$$-piece -of-pedantic-spewing-horse-manure”? And that’s not a label, thems just the facts. Big difference.
May peace be with us all.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmWell that explains being locked iinto lonely little rooms and basements for long periods of time.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmWow MA, your so mellow today!! KEWL!!!
Keep it up!! I think I love you now long time!!
So your calling squishy a prattler?
November 14th, 2006 at 1:18 pmCalling george h w bush…..mr bush, please report to the nurses station, you’re med’s are ready..
November 14th, 2006 at 1:18 pmComment by mighty aphrodite
… Anyway, as I was saying …
November 14th, 2006 at 1:18 pmNovember 14th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
whats laughable is that the audience for blogs is pretty small compared to TALK RADIO. then add in TV and newspapers and the blog audience is even smaller. yet somehow they have this incredibly powerful effect.
Comment by ron — November 14, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
Some of it is because the Republicans want everyone to THINK that the blogs have a powerful effect (a bad one) so they can discredit them. Part of it is simply that everything that’s posted gets seen by so many people even those who never visit the blogs that someone important has a good chance of running across it. Add to that the fact that corporate news started the whole thing by jumping on the internet and soliciting peoples opinions by starting sites that allow you to comment on the news stories. Ironically, they created their own monster there. Now reporters are swiping stories from blogs and forums. More stories than the networks care to admit begin in the blogosphere these days. I don’t listen to the television news, but occasionally I flip around to hear what they’re talking about. Almost ALL the time, they’re talking about stories I’ve already heard. When they aren’t, it’s called “breaking news” which is basically a bunch of reporters talking over each other trying to be the first to tell you that they really don’t know anything yet but they’ll keep talking because someone else might interrupt them with real information.
Thank you… I’ll stick to blogs.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:20 pmWTF?
You always call me Sponge Cake, you stupid lying heap of bull droppings. Nobody here believes you are just an innocent little girl in a big bad world of liberals.
You are part of the problem, not the solution. So, STFU.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:23 pmActually this may bring more people to the blogs to see what all the fanfare is about. BORe did us favor as well when he started attacking the Secular-progressive crowd and wrote a book about being UNCIVIL. You know like that other UNCIVIL book writer [plagiarist Coulter.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:25 pmmany of us realize the simple prattle of name-calling is evidence of the inability to present an argument.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 14, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
Very true indeed.
That is how most of us realise you are not here to present an argument but to annoy, since you are unable to present even the simplest thought without name-calling.
As SpudgeBoy already said: You are part of the problem, not the solution.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:28 pmThe word of mouth is slow, but highly effective =)
Unlike high speed media, the Taurtles, and Parrots, Dogs, Cats and Ponies depend on just the opposite!!
SLOW Truth!!
November 14th, 2006 at 1:29 pmJuan C.
I offer my apologies. But with Tundra and you, you cant be completely sure… :)
No need to apologize, like Spudge said, subtly/sarcasm are often lost in the tubes of the internets.
Humanist
November 14th, 2006 at 1:29 pmWho do you think bush sr, who is a contemptible person, is talking about when he says “bloggers�
But isn’t contemptible also a label? At what point does labeling go from being over the top, to being necessary, such as labeling people ’strangers’ so little kids know who they should and should not, trust.
Well, I guess W got his aversion for the truth from good ol dad.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:29 pmAy-yi-yi…the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it? At least now we know the likely genesis of Dubya’s bizarre reference to “the Google”…
It appears that we also know the likely genesis of Dubya’s dysfunctional relationship with the truth. “People are going to subpoena the email records and we are going to, you know, you’ve gotta prove that you were telling the truth and all this stuff.” Deity forfend that the President should ever be obligated to tell the truth or to back up what he says, right?!? For pity’s sake…
And as for who’s to blame for all the mean-spiritedness…I’ll concede that some bloggers no doubt play a role in it, but the fault can be laid at the feet of those on both sides of the political floor. For every Rude Pundit, there is at least one Ann Coulter — if not more than one. And if it comes to that, what about Rush Limbaugh — who’s been on the air longer than the internet has been available to the general public? To my way of thinking, the political divisiveness had its origins with people like him and the late — but not-so-lamented — Morton Downey, Jr. (who used to refer to liberals as “pablum pukers”). And Bush and Co. certainly haven’t done diddly-squat to slow the momentum — rather the reverse, one feels…
November 14th, 2006 at 1:32 pmYou shouldn’t tell a child to be leery of strangers. You should tell them to be leery of anyone that acts in such a way. Most children are molested by people they know.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:35 pm#85 - “You always call me Sponge Cake, you stupid lying heap of bull droppings…..You are part of the problem, not the solution. So, STFU.”
Comment by Spudge Boy
******Dear Sponge Cake - Yeah…I see what you mean….”sponge cake” is the equivalent of your “colourful” (%^&@#*~+%) vocabulary….But good news….Speakette Pelosi has informed me that I AM part of the solution - - at least that’s what they tell the folks who enjoy the fruits of my taxes…..
November 14th, 2006 at 1:35 pmYeah, they subpoena your stuff and see if you’re telling the truth, and everything. It’s ugly…!
November 14th, 2006 at 1:37 pmsquegeeboo,
“contemptible” is an adjective meaning “deserving contempt”. In this case I apply it in the frame that bush sr does not deserve unconditional respect and should be carefully scrutinized. It was not a baseless insult or a “label” and was only a correct and proper use of the English language.
Although I am far from perfect, I carefully choose my words and avoid using labels for many reasons including what I touched upon in my previous comment. I hope this response provides the clarification you desire.
Peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:39 pmBwahahahhahaaa!!!
at least that’s what they tell the folks who enjoy the fruits of my taxes…..
As Bush stole your Tax dollars and spent it in a country whose people you hate so much?
To buy a new welfare state??
WTF??
November 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pmHey MA Bremer/Bush CPA lost 8 billion of your Fruits in Iraq!!
Not to mention Bechtel got 1.3 billion of it and then bailed out!!!
BWajajjajajjajaaaaaa!!
November 14th, 2006 at 1:43 pmSounds like……an inconvenient truth.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:44 pmIt’s refreshing to see Bush senior still holds dear in his heart, the cornerstone of Republican philosophy: “It’s someone else’s fault”.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:46 pmDo you realize MA, in your Rush to avenge your losses that you have actually enabled the thiefs of your precious fruits?
Do you know that 70% of Iraqis are un-employed?
And NOW, because of your KING, YOUR FRUITS ARE GONNA PAY FOR THAT!!
Now thats Intelligent MA!!!
November 14th, 2006 at 1:46 pmThis coming from a man who didn’t know what electronic scanners at supermarkets were.
Incivility has existed in Washington for over 200 years. But, it took Gingrich & Co. to sharpen its edges and make politics personal. The GOP witchhunt against Clinton was the height of their politics of personal destruction.
For Bush Sr. to blame a technology that has really bloomed in the 21st century, is just plain stupid.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:46 pmmighty aphrodite,
Please stop using the “speakette” term for Ms. Pelosi. It is sexist and wholly inappropriate. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion of Ms. Pelosi but using such derogatory terms publicly is not acceptable.
It is sad that you hold such a low opinion of yourself and your implied gender that you feel it okay to revert back to the stone ages of gender slurs. But I believe that the rest of the civilized world, especially those with the western values, have evolved past that.
Have some self respect.
Peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:48 pmMA: “Speakette Pelosi has informed me that I AM part of the solution - - at least that’s what they tell the folks who enjoy the fruits of my taxes…..”
We all pay taxes and we all get something for those taxes, even though some people are too small-minded to understand how civil government, by the people, actually works. At least Pelosi will run congress with an even, fair hand unlike the criminals you support.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:52 pmOnly those with something to hide have anything to fear — so why doesn’t “the President Bush” use “the email”? Clearly there’s a bit of nervousness about everything being on the record, but if you treat every phone as if it has a warrantless tap in it, then you’ll be in the same position… Of course, if we were doing that, then we should also dunk Rumsfeld in some water to see if we can rinse some information out of his noggin that might save the lives of American soldiers. It’s not torture, it’s a no-brainer!
Anyway, for the blame-game, there are plenty of Right-wing blogs contributing to incivility, too. For example, Michelle Malkin keeps a blog. And really, when you think about it, the incivility is coming from more active participation in that horrid-yet-wonderous thing we call democracy. Rather than having to send our senator new canes with which to beat another senator to a bloodied pulp, we can wield our keyboards and pelt each other with words formed from electrons. So the incivility is much more wide-spread than simply on the floor of the senate and it’s ready access to people with more opposing viewpoints than coherent thoughts supporting them that’s contributing to it.
Seriously, ease up and think about what the old man is saying. But feel free to discount anything that smells of rank nepotism.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:55 pmBush Sr. was asked a simple question about poisonous partisan politics in DC. The simple answer is Karl Rove, but Bush Sr. blamed the bloggers. Does he mean the “conservative” blogger on Free Republic who is charged with sending fake anthrax to Olbermann, Stewart, Pelosi and others?
Many people think that delusional Bush Sr. is the best choice to clean up his son’s mess. Heaven help us.
We’re sick of the Bush family. Just go away–father and son.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:56 pmThe Bush family really does hate the little guy!
November 14th, 2006 at 1:57 pmJust who the heck are we to think that we should have a voice?
We’re just pee-ons for crying out loud.
We should do like the Dixie Chicks and STFU for the good of the country.
Fox News, Hannity, Coulter and Drugs Limpballs should be the ones who decide what is civil and what isn’t.
Humanist
Thanks for the clarification.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pmJunior never intended to be the “uniter, not a divider”. Can’t happen with Karl Rove.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:01 pm“Speakette” is just a bitter way for a loser to act like a loser. I’m not surprised that MA would be so small as to result in base sexism to belittle the first female Speaker of the House in U.S. history. Self-loathing women are womens’ worst enemies sometimes.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:01 pmWhew!! When I read MA’s post #75, I thought we might have entered a new stage of civility and reasoned discourse. But, good news! Then with post #86, I see the old drip and drivel of one of our favourite trolls. Toodle away.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:04 pmMighty…….
Good to see you survived the suicide attempt last Wednesday. Mr. Aphid said it was a close call.
Do you like apples?
November 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pmSorry, but Rush Limbuagh was around long before bloggers. Today’s current lack of civility is directly traceable to AM radio deskpounders.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#102 - “mighty aphrodite,
Please stop using the “speakette†term for Ms. Pelosi. It is sexist and wholly inappropriate. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion of Ms. Pelosi but using such derogatory terms publicly is not acceptable…..low opinion of yourself and your implied gender that you feel it okay to revert back to the stone ages of gender slurs. But I believe that the rest of the civilized world, especially those with the western values, have evolved past that.” Comment by Humanist
*******Dear Humanist - Thank you for your input. I am sorry you find my term “Speakette” (please note the capitalization of the letter ‘S’) offensive. I think it is a wholly appropriate term to underscore the historic occasion of the first female Speaker of the House.
I have noticed progs, libs and humanist are not worried too much about what I find offensive (condoms on the White House Christmas tree during the Clinton administration, sexualization of children, moral degradation of culture, films, music, etc.) we are told to “accept” differences, etc……so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Thanks again!
November 14th, 2006 at 2:09 pmMini Aphid,
The Chimp got his f**ing ass kicked last Tuesday, how do you like them apples?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My apologies to Good Will Hunting.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:12 pmWait, he’s the one who used the term voodoo economics, then became VP to the one he accused. Lack of civility towards a member of his own party.
I just don’t understand why Bill Clinton hangs out with this guy. I seem to remember him calling BC evil. That lacked civility, no?
Yeah, it’s gotta be the bloggers’ fault.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:15 pm#111 - “Mighty…….Good to see you survived the suicide attempt last Wednesday. Mr. Aphid said it was a close call.” Comment by nanlichi
*******Thank you for your concern, panlick. You might have me confused with some other conservatives who were quite down. Naturally I wanted the Repubs to win, but this LOSS will bring about far better outcomes than I could have anticipated. And I have all of YOU to thank for that! The Repubs had become (in 12 short years) as despicable and bloated as the Dems had become in 40 years. YOUR harsh slap of reality hopefully will propel the Repubs BACK to the conservative principles of the Party. THANK YOU!
November 14th, 2006 at 2:17 pmYou are mighty welcome. Looking forward to another slap of reality in 2008.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:22 pm#114 - “Mini Aphid,….The Chimp got his f**ing ass kicked last Tuesday, how do you like them apples?!!!!!!!!!!!!!My apologies to Good Will Hunting.” Comment by nanlich
*******Dear Panlick - You must be the product of a public school math program. An honest to good a$$ kicking would have resulted in a WIDE margin of victory for Dems. (Pssst….I wouldn’t start throwing around the term “mandate” - and no, Humanist,) that is not a sexist term for a female stalker.) Dems beat the Repubs just enough to get their attention - all in all it should be an interesting legislative session….
November 14th, 2006 at 2:22 pm[…] Watch Video […]
November 14th, 2006 at 2:25 pmWith hunting season here, perhaps someone could track down any TRUTH here:
I have noticed progs, libs and humanist are not worried too much about what I find offensive (condoms on the White House Christmas tree during the Clinton administration, sexualization of children, moral degradation of culture, films, music, etc.) …
….Oh, wait, never mind. I forgot that truth is extinct in the World of Mass Denial.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:25 pm#116 - “The Repubs had become (in 12 short years) as despicable and bloated as the Dems had become in 40 years.” Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 14, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
So, what you’re saying is that Republicans “go bad” at a faster rate than Democrats?
Or that Democrats “reform themselves” at a faster rate than Republicans?
November 14th, 2006 at 2:26 pmOK, Poppy Bush, it’s time for you to ‘get off the political stage’ FOR GOOD-your Rape&Pillage of America time is OVER–you’re UGLY family has had over 100 years playing a prominent part in the destruction of America-ENOUGH!
November 14th, 2006 at 2:28 pm“The Repubs had become (in 12 short years) as despicable and bloated as the Dems had become in 40 years.â€
OK, the shelf life for Republicans is 12 years and for Democrats its 40 years. I guess the Republicans really do need term limits more than Democrats.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#120 - “I have noticed progs, libs and humanist are not worried too much about what I find offensive (condoms on the White House Christmas tree during the Clinton administration, sexualization of children, moral degradation of culture, films, music, etc.) …
….Oh, wait, never mind. I forgot that truth is extinct in the World of Mass Denial.” - Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
*******Dear Plc, I suppose if one finds “condoms on the White House Christmas tree during the Clinton administration, sexualization of children, moral degradation of culture, films, music, etc. ” ACCEPTABLE, then that person might have a different version of “The Truth”.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:34 pmHey you troll losers.
Shut up. We win elections so you assclowns should just shut up.
As to Poppy Bush, he’s just upset that the average Joe can now call his pathetic son a loser.
Poppy to the rescue of his loser son once again eh.
-GSD
November 14th, 2006 at 2:37 pmHW I hate to tell you the truth, but it was the last Republican Congress and your son that made politics a game of seek and destroy. Even morons like Rush Limpbaugh go a radio and preach hate for liberals on a daily basis. Also fools like Ann Coulter preach hate for democrats in her book about liberals.
It amazes me how these republican morons don’t get the fact that they are a party of hate mongers and yet they point the finger at everyone else. W wouldn’t have an adversarial relationship with the democrats if he hadn’t broken the law and rode rough stod over them at every opportunity.
I saw reporters asking W how he could get alone with Nancy Pelosi after she said so many negative things about him. They seem to have forgotten that the entire republican party including W talked about Nancy Pelosi like she was worst than Bin Laden during the campaign. This revisionist history needs to stop and these morons need to start being men again and stop acting like children blaming someone else for what they did.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#121 - “So, what you’re saying is that Republicans “go bad†at a faster rate than Democrats? Or that Democrats “reform themselves†at a faster rate than Republicans?” Comment by Democrat Soldier
*******Dear DS - You could say that….or you could say that Republicans learn faster than Dems. Unfortunately, THIS gorging at the public trough wasn’t a lesson conservatives want Repubs to latch onto.
I will give the Dems credit - they gained the majority in both Houses putting up many moderate to conservative (for a DEM!) candidates. Naturally, to be a card-carrying Dem, a candidate MUST be beholden to the unions, and the concept of socialized medicine. Still they have a few who have actually gotten on board the Anti-abortion, God and Guns bandwagon…..Pretty soon, your party may be half as diverse as the Repubs when it comes to ideology….
Gotta lunch meeting….’til later….
November 14th, 2006 at 2:41 pmI watch the clip and there is nothing unreasonable about what H.W. Bush said.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThe blogs are a little like that old “telephone†game in grade school. Each thread starts on a “topic†and ends up who knows where. This medium allows the most coarse adjectives and nouns - but many of us realize the simple prattle of name-calling is evidence of the inability to present an argument.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 14, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
This is rich, coming from you, this is really rich. Enough said.
On topic: See, the good work must go on. They smear only the worthy, and they fear the liberal blogs as a worthy foe. When I think of the real hard facts and news I got from TP, C&L and others, that cannot be obtained by way of the msm, you’re worthy foes indeed. Keep up the good work!
November 14th, 2006 at 2:43 pmLimbaugh called Micheal J. Fox, ill with advanced Parkinsons, a fraud.
O’Reilly said that the little five foot three inch singer for the Dixie Chicks and her band mates needed to be “slapped around.”
He also said something about wishing he could go into (progressive) “blog rooms” and “toss grenades.”
The incivility of Coulter’s comments about the 9/11 widows boggles the mind.
With ample opportunity to chastise Coulter - O’Reilly essentially sided with Coulter calling the 9/11 widows “fair game” because they had become, in his opinion, “left-wing activists.” At the time - it seemed like all one had to do was disagree with him on any significant point to be considered a so-called “left-wing activist.”
Clearly a spurious criteria.
O’Reilly also bypassed a chance to chastise Limbaugh for his allegation that Micheal J. Fox was “acting” and went straight to arguing the anti-stem cell side of the argument.
If George H.W. Bush wants to help push the pendulum away from the level of incivility in today’s politics, he can write letters to Coulter, O’Reilly and Limbaugh and tell all three of them to be more civil - starting right now.
Even better - he can call them with his cell phone. And all three of them will be aware of his desire for their leadership towards a more civil discourse on politics by this evening.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:45 pm#126 - “Shut up. We win elections so you assclowns should just shut up.”
Comment by Granite StateDem
********Not veeeerrrrry tolerant of you - or “open-minded” either! But thank you for instruction the last twelve years on the correct role of the “loyal opposition”….
November 14th, 2006 at 2:46 pm‘Til later…
“…these kinds of things…”, “…and all this stuff…”
November 14th, 2006 at 2:53 pm…well, we know where dumbya gets his intellectual INcuriosity…
…
keep a good look out for the NET NEUTRALITY business…
they’re laying down the arguments against it all over the place…
.
if
This little word makes all the difference in determining fact from fantasy:
if…Clinton’s White House Christmas Tree actually had condoms on it
if…Democrats really advocated or condoned the sexualization of children
if…there truly were WMDs in Iraq
if…Hussein had an operational, collaborative relationship with Al Quaeda
if…Hollywood was all a progressive smut machine
if…it was Democrats and not Republicans who are required to be lockstep
if…MA, the Wizard of World of Mass Denial, only had a brain, a heart, and some courage
November 14th, 2006 at 2:55 pmMA,
Don’t belittle the public schools. I am the product of a graduating class of 35 redneck throwbacks from a little public school in Arizona. Went on to get a degree in EE and have worked hard ever since. I once belonged to a little group called the Triple 9 Society, you had to prove up an IQ over 150 to belong. What a bunch of pathetic losers that was. I lost my patheticity along the way.
Point is, most of the posters here are not stupid, yourself included, but we have different worldviews than yours. You don’t like condoms on a Christmas tree, I don’t like our country being drug into the Chimp’s private Christian war, which is the worst mistake I have ever seen.
Your sense of morality is severely tweaked. I am guessing that stem cell research is an abomination to you. I think anyone who holds up stem cell research is an abomination.
And you should see how the little panlickers rearrange the Nativity scene, bless their little hearts! Although I doubt of Mother Mary really was that into bestiality.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:56 pmSure everybody hates the blog world.
The press, because now you actually have to do your job or someone else taks a story and run with it, oh, and it doesn’t have to be politically correct.
The politicians, because everyone will know tomorrow if I’m an asshat today. Also, hey, I can’t lie any more because will call me on it.
Get use to it losers, its here to stay and will likely be more influential in 2008.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:06 pmThis is about the stupidist thing I have heard coming out of a so called intellectual. I see more non-sense coming from these people then can endured. His Presidency, and his sons are both failed ones, and they want to blame anybody and everybody for thier own mistakes. What they really hate is free speach, and the peoples right to speak freely. F**king Nazi’s.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:07 pmNan - And you should see how the little panlickers rearrange the Nativity scene…
November 14th, 2006 at 3:24 pmThat’s hilarious!!!
My question is… why was Bush senior allowed to say something like this? What was the point? Supposedly he’s being brought out to save Jr. from himself, so why would he be saying inept, ‘fuddy-duddy’ comments? Is he just trying to sound harmless - like it’s a huge big mess that he doesn’t quite understand, but, by golly, he’s gonna keep doing his best, or something?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:25 pmLet’s remember that this is the same man who was fascinated by bar codes in a supermarket during his 2nd run.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:28 pmOld Man Bush pulls this every time they lose or get criticized. They can sure dish it out but can’t take it. The Willie Horton ad was civilized discourse? Every time a Bush or Republican is in the WH, he is God’s annointed. When the Dems get the upper hand, they are not civil
November 14th, 2006 at 3:34 pmbecause they are offering genuinely deserved criticism. Little Georgie is God’s annointed and Commander-in-Chief. You can’t criticize a commander-in-chief in wartime! The Bushes (all of them) make me puke, and I couldn’t watch the video. The Battle-axe was there too?
[…] Adversarial. Being expected to tell the truth. Adversarial. Unless it’s about a stained little blue dress. In that case, it’s just the pursuit of justice. from fox news, of course, courtesy of think progress. […]
November 14th, 2006 at 3:52 pmPretty soon, your party may be half as diverse as the Repubs when it comes to ideology….MA
Nah, you can keep the Foleys and Rev. Teds - they suit you just fine.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pmThese people live in a different dimension. I think it’s the “opposite” dimension. Whatever I say, I mean the opposite!
They are the ones that brought a halt to civility and put the democrats in a corner facing the wall for the last six years! It’s so ludicrous to say something like that, they have got to be living in some other country. Not mine!
November 14th, 2006 at 4:05 pmThe Bush family is simply another in a long line of bucaneers feeding at the public trough. Corrupt, violent, not too bright, but willing to do whatever is necessary to get and hold power. America breeds them…but, my, this family especially has just been a disaster for the country. Good for their friends mind you, but bad for the rest of us.
Nothing we can do, these rich mofos rule the world, and always will. They have the money for all the guns and butter they need to get exactly what they want.
Shrub will leave office and get his fat pension and security forces, and never have to answer for all he’s done. It’s the American way… no different than a Central American dictator quietly retiring on his millions..
November 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pm“People are going to subpoena the email records and we are going to, you know, you’ve gotta prove that you were telling the truth and all this stuff”
Amazing what some people feel are priorities.
That old turd doesn’t even know how to use a computer much less what a blogger is.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:21 pmThanks RUCerious, I just wish the neighbors shared your sense of humor!
Ceriously, the sooner the world can escape the clutch of the myths, the better off we will all be. I think Sam Harris is on the right track.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:28 pm…you’ve gotta prove that you were telling the truth and all this stuff.
This is a very telling statement.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:32 pmOkay. sure.
So it wasn’t Georgie boy Jr’s Politico whack-um machine that morphed a Democrat’s head into Osama Bin Laden’s on National TV?
Or how about a ticking time-bomb commercial again featuring Osama basically calling the Democrats terrorists and terrorist enablers?
Or how about Georgie Jr calling me and my family terrorist enablers, telling me I want the terrorists to win and I hate America because I vote Democratic on National TV?
And the only time I’ve encountered hate and vitriol in the blogs is from the paid schills/trolls who use their filth to distract from otherwise intelligent and insightful conversation.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:35 pmNot withstanding that the right wingnuts, including, but not limited to, the religious right and Republicans spewing their nasty, hateful thoughts and words at everyone who disagrees with them. Daddy and his minions need to look in the mirror. Junior is probably crying foul right now.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:36 pm[…] Think Progress […]
November 14th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWull dammit!
Lil Georgie has caught on to “the email”. You can’t shred “the email”, unless you get a really big shredder, and even then, he’d probably just shred the monitor and call it a day.
Too bad he hasn’t also caught on to “the youtube” or “the TV”. We have enough clips of Bushie lying and lying about the lies and contradicting the lies about the lies and then lying about the contradictions, etc….to fill a congressional library with lie-montages alone!
Jeez.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:43 pmAfter GWB is out of office, will he establish the “George W. Bush Liebrary”?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:59 pmThis fits right in with Judith “The Traitor” Miller’s disparaging remarks about bloggers. Talk about HYPOCRISY. Judy and Poppy: your lies helped big time in getting us into the mess in Iraq and it is YOUR rotten son’s nasty remarks, Poppy, that are to blame for the divisiveness in thsi country. I’ll be damned if you are going to take my “Internets” away from me–so STFU about bloggers. It’s the only “free speech” we have left!
November 14th, 2006 at 5:00 pm….and HW knows from ugly - look who he’s been waking up next to all these long, cold, years.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:07 pmtom, you can do better than that.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pmWere bloggers responsible for the Willie Horton ad?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:51 pmWhile the language on some blogs (including liberal ones) could make a Marine blush, this comment from the former President leaves my head spinning. His party (the GOP) has raised diviseness to an art form. To blame ugly political climate on a group that reacts to primarily GOP controlled media is like blaming a dentist for your last tooth ache. Give me a —-in break!
November 14th, 2006 at 5:53 pmGHWB, Face it. You and Barbara can’t handle the TRUTH about your disgusting son. This is not about civility and there’s no pendulum that will swing back in favor of not telling the truth. The American people want to hear more truths. Your call for civility is just another excuse to cover up your son’s lies.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:42 pmThis is the same man who blammed the press for the “ugly” environment during his presidency. If you want to get a good look at that ugliness, take a look at War Room, which covers Clinton’s ‘92 campaign from the inside. There is lots of ugliness and it comes from Bush.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:56 pmThe current political division in this country has its roots in the 2000 election. That was well before any of us knew what a blog was.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:22 pmBlaming bloggers for the ugly climate is like blaming the kids in Lebanon for getting in the way of Israeli bombs. There would be no ugly climate if there were no there there.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:33 pm“And you should see how the little panlickers rearrange the Nativity scene, bless their little hearts! Although I doubt of Mother Mary really was that into bestiality.” Comment by nanlichi
*******Panlicker - You are one sick b!$@h…..Your “EE”? Please tell me you don’t work with children…….
November 14th, 2006 at 7:33 pmThe MSM and the Larry King’s of this world eat this crap up. According to them, Bush is THE consummate gentleman - gracious, unfailingly kind, polite, no doubt fastidious about picking up his dirty socks. Perhaps history will record that he is also THE person who brought Lee Atwater and Karl Rove onto the main stage of politics and made sure they became mentors to his nasty princeling. That’s the one area of POTUS’s sorry life where he has managed some success. Bullyboy tactics, dirty tricks, gutter politics. He may have failed at everything else he was handed to try, but he excelled at those.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:33 pm[…] At least according to George HWBush (aka #41). From Think Progress reports: Last night on Fox News, former President George H.W. Bush said the current political climate has “gotten so adversarial that it’s ugly.†Asked to offer an explanation for why there is this “incivility,†Bush pinned the blame on bloggers. “It’s probably a little worse now given electronic media and the bloggers and all these kinds of things,†he said. […]
November 14th, 2006 at 7:50 pmRight wing hate radio and TV like Faux News is to blame, you *)#!? idiot!
November 14th, 2006 at 8:17 pm“Now I use…the e-mail…and the…computer.” OMFG. They’re all aliens lol. That chipmunk women interviewing them too. See how decrepid and pitiful and dried of life serving this system is?
November 14th, 2006 at 8:59 pmThe apple dont fall far from the tree. The Bush family hates anyone
who calls them on their criminal game.
Its not suprising at this juncture that King George I has to come to the
rescue of King George II. (See Kevin Phillips American Dynasty)
Its sad that all those nasty bloggers pick on Georgie…. We always had the regular media in our pocket…..
November 14th, 2006 at 9:01 pmElvisGoat, Agree, there is a rat. That rat is most likely a big fascist who wants the best cheese for himself and does not want to hear ANYTHING from the proles, er, us - as in We the People. The big fascist rats are above the people. The internet is the great leveler, the great connector, the medium through which many people are finding a way to voice their frustration at a corrupt system that exploits them and consolidates wealth and resources in the hands of the few. The internet is a threat, and those rats will be tireless in their efforts to gain control of it and silence the People. My two cents.
November 14th, 2006 at 9:02 pm