Washington Post Falsely Claims ‘Most Congressional Democrats’ Oppose Redeployment of U.S. Troops
Washington Post Falsely Claims ‘Most Congressional Democrats’ Oppose Redeployment of U.S. Troops
Today, the Washington Post’s editorial board attacked John Murtha’s proposal to redeploy U.S. troops out of Iraq as an “extreme” measure not supported by congressional Democrats:
Mr. Murtha’s candidacy is troubling for several reasons, beginning with his position on the war in Iraq. … He said the United States …should “redeploy as soon as practicable,” an extreme step that most congressional Democrats oppose.
While the Post does not agree with Murtha’s position on Iraq, House Democrats do. As of today, the majority of House Democrats in the outgoing 109th Congress - 105 of 202 - not only agree with Murtha’s position, they have cosponsored Murtha’s resolution calling for our troops to be “redeployed at the earliest practicable date” out of Iraq. In the 110th Congress, the number is likely to be even higher because many successful candidates called for redeployment during the campaign.
Congressional leaders in the Senate also support redeployment. Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), who is expected to take over the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Sunday, “We need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months.” Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) said redeployment “should start within the next few months.”
The full list of 105 cosponsors of Murtha’s bill:
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)
Rep. Thomas Allen (D-ME)
Rep. Joe Baca (D-CA)
Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA)
Rep. Timothy Bishop (D-NY)
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR)
Rep. Robert Brady (D-PA)
Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL)
Rep. George Butterfield (D-NC)
Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA)
Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA)
Rep. Julia Carson (D-IN)
Rep. Donna Christensen (D-VI)
Rep. William Clay (D-MO)
Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC)
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI)
Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD)
Rep. Danny Davis (D-IL)
Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR)
Rep. Diana DeGette (D-CO)
Rep. William Delahunt (D-MA)
Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)
Rep. Michael Doyle (D-PA)
Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-CA)
Rep. Lane Evans (D-IL)
Rep. Sam Farr (D-CA)
Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA)
Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA)
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)
Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-IL)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY)
Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ)
Rep. Michael Honda (D-CA)
Rep. Jesse Jackson (D-IL)
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX)
Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA)
Rep. Eddie Johnson (D-TX)
Rep. Stephanie Jones (D-OH)
Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI)
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
Rep. John Larson (D-CT)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Rep. John Lewis (D-GA)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY)
Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA)
Rep. Doris Matsui (D-CA)
Rep. Betty McCollum (D-MN)
Rep. James McDermott (D-WA)
Rep. James McGovern (D-MA)
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
Rep. Michael McNulty (D-NY)
Rep. Martin Meehan (D-MA)
Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL)
Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY)
Rep. Michael Michaud (D-ME)
Rep. Juanita Millender-McDonald (D-CA)
Rep. George Miller (D-CA)
Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV)
Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI)
Rep. James Moran (D-VA)
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (D-CA)
Rep. Richard Neal (D-MA)
Rep. Eleanor Norton (D-DC)
Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN)
Rep. John Olver (D-MA)
Rep. Major Owens (D-NY)
Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ)
Rep. William Pascrell (D-NJ)
Rep. Edward Pastor (D-AZ)
Rep. Donald Payne (D-NJ)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV)
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
Rep. Steven Rothman (D-NJ)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL)
Rep. Timothy Ryan (D-OH)
Rep. Martin Sabo (D-MN)
Rep. Linda Sánchez (D-CA)
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)
Rep. Janice Schakowsky (D-IL)
Rep. Robert Scott (D-VA)
Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
Rep. Hilda Solis (D-CA)
Rep. Fortney Stark (D-CA)
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS)
Rep. Michael Thompson (D-CA)
Rep. John Tierney (D-MA)
Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-NY)
Rep. Tom Udall (D-NM)
Rep. Nydia Velázquez (D-NY)
Rep. Peter Visclosky (D-IN)
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA)
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL)
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA)
Rep. David Wu (D-OR)
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147 Responses to “Washington Post Falsely Claims ‘Most Congressional Democrats’ Oppose Redeployment of U.S. Troops”
That’s a long list of Democrats who don’t agree with the Washington Post.
Now watch the Democrats come out swinging.
Chirp chrip, chirp chirp. (crickets)
Nevermind, they won’t say anything as usual.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:51 pmThe democrats agree on redeployment? Why did I vote them in again? I want them out, darn it.
OUT!
November 14th, 2006 at 2:52 pmif by “re-deploy” you mean cut our losses and run to Japan, then yes - the majority of congressional democrats DO believe in “re-deployment.”
cowards.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:53 pm“Redeploment”? Enough with the semantics already - We KNOW you want the troops OUT and that Victory is not important to certain Progs….
November 14th, 2006 at 2:54 pmLies, Lies, and more Lies…..When will this pathological lying stop?? These people are serious sociopaths if they continue to lie and then believe their own spin.
November 14th, 2006 at 2:55 pmBravo for those who signed Murtha’s bill! It shows that at least some elected officials have the cojones to do the job!
November 14th, 2006 at 2:56 pmboy you dems really know how to lose a war, don’t you?
November 14th, 2006 at 2:57 pmcowards.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:00 pmSays the brave little wingnut, from the safety of his basement.
hate to be the bearer of bad news, but just wait till the news of murtha and CREW gets out… heard on franken… he’s not under indictment, but CREW found unethical doings… wonder how twisted that story will get…
November 14th, 2006 at 3:01 pm…
boy you dems really know how to lose a war, don’t you?
Comment by wingnutt
You started a war, and refuse to fight it yourself, coward. Why don’t you quit whining and enlist?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:02 pmIsn’t WaPo that Moonie newspaper??
November 14th, 2006 at 3:02 pmthe terrorists of the bush crime family have charges filed against them in germany.
this is indeed great news for all who understand that the only terrorists harming america are in the white house… any interested parties can keep track of the case and read the complaint–the 14 page introduction is quite good–can visit the center for constitutional rights page here.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:05 pmWhy is anyone listening to Murtha? Even Soros is against this guy and call Murtha “more corrupt then even Delay”. I may lean to the right, but the corruption on the right is what put me and many off. If you put someone like Murtha in a leadership role, then you become just as corrupt. If your man Soros can even see it, you guy certainly must.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:05 pmWhen did the editorial board at the Post getting taken over by sociopaths?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:06 pmYou can call in redeployment, cut and run, strategic retreat, redefined victory, or anything else you want. I just want our military OUT of Iraq and the U.S. to stop the circular reasoning that is used to justify our continued presence there. Iraq is a disaster now. It will be a disaster if we stay. It will probably be a disaster if we leave (although that is an empirical question, answered only by our getting out). But why should good Americans continue dying?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:08 pmcowards!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:08 pmWhy don’t you quit whining and enlist?
Comment by barfly
Such a pathetic argument.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:11 pmWingnutt, Has any President ever lost 2 wars simultaeneously while in office?
Something else to hang your hat on.
Heckuva job wingbutt, heckuva job
November 14th, 2006 at 3:12 pmWhy bother responding to wingnutt’s blather. He’s about as relevant as Ann Coulter.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:12 pmI, for one, can’t wait for the U.S. to lose this war. We deserve it. (It is especially deserving, because it is Bush’s idea). Iraq was better off under Saddam. Everyone knew all along, there were no weapons of mass destruction. Why should we think our beliefs or our culture is somehow better than those of our Islamic fundamentalist brothers. The sooner we admit defeat and get out, the sooner Arabs can start improving the lives of Arabs. You can call it cut and run if you want. As a proud Democrat, I would rather run from conflict than impose democracy and freedom on anyone.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:14 pmLet’s see Roger, how many republicans in leadership positions did you criticize for corruption before the elections?
The correct answer is none.
You purposely ignored the stink of your own party’s corruption before the election, and now you think you have credibility to criticize dems? Dream on, buddy.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:15 pmThanks for admitting that you wingnut warmongers prefer killing innocent Iraqis to having Jack Murtha lay some truth down on your chickenhawk butts.
Steve Gilliard has the answer for you Republicans obsessing over CREW: It’s about Iraq, stupid.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:15 pmyou put me in the same category as Ann Coulter?
thank you!!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:15 pmboy you dems really know how to lose a war, don’t you?
The Dems aren’t losing the war - the Republican led Administration is! Idiot.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:16 pmSuch a pathetic argument.
Comment by Mark Glesne
Says the reservist. Why aren’t you there now, Mark? The situation could really use your steady hand. Re-enlist, and say hello to my grandson if you see him over there.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:17 pmYou silly LIE-berals like Murtha love the goddamn heathen brown people more than you do good white people like Ann Coulter. Go ahead, criticize me for not enlisting while our Negroes go fight and and die against their sand Negroes. I’m still a better man than you Soros-worshipping San Francisco LIE-beral babykillers!!!!!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:19 pmRe-enlist.
Comment by barfly
Why would I re-up? I’m still in.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:20 pmyou put me in the same category as Ann Coulter?
thank you!!
Comment by wingnutt
So you’re also a female impersonator?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:20 pmwow, you libbies really know how to treat veterans here at think progress!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:21 pmwingnutt,
Wow. Talk about cowardice… how many American soldiers are you willing to kill to retain the ability to strut around despising 60% of all Americans?
The neo-clowns lost this war the day they invaded, because it has nothing to do with US Security; it was based on lies. You can get away with that shit if you win… fast. At this point, Iraq has lasted longer than US involvement in WWII, and is looking worse and worse. So bad in fact, that the same American electorate that elected W twice in support of the GWOT has had enough lies, enough stupidity and enough failure to change their vote and demand some accountability.
Accountability is like kryptonite to Republicans so now you are down to name calling and hysteria.
I know, this is wasted on you, as it requjired critical thinking skills but I feel better having rhetorically smacked you upside your drooling head.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:22 pm#34
You silly LIE-berals like Murtha love the goddamn heathen brown people more than you do good white people like Ann Coulter. Go ahead, criticize me for not enlisting while our Negroes go fight and and die against their sand Negroes. I’m still a better man than you Soros-worshipping San Francisco LIE-beral babykillers!!!!!
Comment by “Mark Glesne”
Wow. You liberals are still using people’s names I see. How sad.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:23 pmWhy would I re-up? I’m still in.
Comment by Mark Glesne —
Request to be sent back, then. You’re a volunteer, right?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:23 pmwow, you libbies really know how to treat veterans here at think progress!
Comment by wingnutt
If you haven’t noticed, there are vets here at think progress.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:25 pmWow. You should check out Mark Glesne’s website.
http://www.markglesne.blogspot.com/
That and his latest rant will tell you all you need to know about him!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:26 pmThis is why we need media reform and break the grip of the media oligarchy.
It’s been nothing but corporate reich-wing spin ever since the election. Quite predictable, really.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:28 pmFor those who support the continuation of the Iraqi invasion - wingnutt, roger_roger,mighty aphrodite - answer specifically this question: How many Iraqi deaths are acceptible for your “Victory”? Specific numbers only (and that means you wingnutt).
Keep in mind that there were 26.5 million Iraqis before the invasion. There are currently less than 26 million.
Peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:29 pmThe undeniable fact is the American people spoke last Tuesday and the Repugs LOST!!! No amount of bellyacheing, whining or threats will change that.
Go crawl back into your slime-infested holes and ponder this for a while.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:30 pmWhen you respond to the trolls: wingnutt, faux soldier mark gleanse etc you give meaning to their sad little lives.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:32 pmWhen people ask me what I want for Christmas, I reply that I already got my Christmas present on November 2nd.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:35 pmSteve Gilliard has the answer for you Republicans obsessing over CREW: It’s about Iraq, stupid.
Comment by Phoenix Woman — November 14, 2006 @ 3:15 pm
thanks for that link… always good to have at least another side of any story… suppose CREW has ulterior motives? …
November 14th, 2006 at 3:36 pmsloan said she dug into it because of murtha’s run for leader… so surely crew is digging into hoyers dealings… right? …
… oh…
Wow. You should check out Mark Glesne’s website.
http://www.markglesne.blogspot.com/
Comment by uhclem
Thanks for the promotion, uhclem, but you didn’t have to!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:37 pmWow Mark, sounds like you’d better get busy packing hatemail with baby powder, ya wacko loser MF
November 14th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#52
Freedom and Democracy are priceless. The number of Iraqi’s that die so other Iraqi’s gain freedom is a nothing cost in comparison. The cause of freedom is always noble and always correct. Every country on earth should be a Democracy complete with Freedom. If a dictator or ruling party is denying there country men these rights, we are always in the right to help provide people with the ability to fight for freedom and democracy. Are you all saying that Freedom and Democracy aren’t worth fighting for?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:39 pmmark g. thank you for your service in iraq. don’t let these cowards bring you down.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:40 pmya wacko loser MF
Comment by tom baker
Thanks Tom! Your intellect is awe inspiring.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:41 pmDear Mark - Thank YOU and ALL of our military personnel who volunteer, do their jobs and kill the wolf at the door! There are some vets here but the majority are narcissistic whiners. They live under the umbrella of freedom and criticize each battle, each misstep, etc. Remember the whiny Progs in the days AFTER 9/11 who tried to tell the world that military strikes in Afghanistan and Iraq would be tantamount to retaliation?? Booo….friggin’….hoooo
In short, I wish peaceful Muslims would swamp the boat of radicalism that is at the core of radical Islam. I don’t want to convert, reason with, or try to understand radical terrorists. I want them dead….that way they can’t change their mind after their “sensitivity training” and strap on a bomb-belt……
Thanks, Mark, Spc Michael Sanchez and the rest of our brave and finest….
’til later….
November 14th, 2006 at 3:41 pmGlad you were let out of Spring Valley and Lemon Grove…
Oohh, the class hatred that drips from your keyboard; I guess you must live in Poway or La Jolla - and hobnob with retired officers. Or is it Coronado? Their elistism would suit you well. But my money is on Rancho Sants Fe, with all the other white collar criminals - and their attorneys!
November 14th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#66 Basic vocabulary lesson you should have learned in the 3rd Grade. There = a place Their = a possessive pronoun They’re = a contraction for they are
November 14th, 2006 at 3:42 pmSo the other cowardly sorts won’t answer my question, so I guess I have to ask mr(s?) glense: How many Iraqi deaths are acceptable for your “Victoryâ€? Specific numbers only.
Keep in mind that there were 26.5 million Iraqis before the invasion. There are currently less than 26 million.
Peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:42 pmAre you all saying that Freedom and Democracy aren’t worth fighting for?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Sadly, sir, I think that’s exactly what many on the Left are saying.
(cite #25: I, for one, can’t wait for the U.S. to lose this war. We deserve it…)
November 14th, 2006 at 3:42 pmTry as you might, right-wing idiots, you cannot pin the blame of failure in Iraq on the Democrats. We’ve already lost, and its the fault of George W. Bush. We lost before we even started because the whole misadventure was based on pure, childish fantasy. And fear, lots and lots of piss-your-pants, run & hide, “mommy mommy I’m scared” kinda fear. On behalf of nearly all “conservatives” and half of the Dems who tend to lean that way. What a horrible, horrible thing George Bush has done to our military, sending them into this hornets nest in such small numbers and without the necessary equipment. Of course without a plan to win as well, because there never, ever was any “winning” in this situation. You can’t win the hearts and minds of people who’s relatives, friends and loved ones you are KILLING! How, how can you idiots not understand this basic point? We all suffer from George Bush’s abominable ignorance, but our troops and the civillians of Iraq are suffering the most.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:44 pmDo people still pay for the WaPo?
Why?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:44 pm.
They live under the umbrella of freedom and criticize each battle, each misstep, etc.
Like you repugs did during Kosovo?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:45 pmi wonder if the wp is looking for a buyer? They maybe kissin up to some billionaire for a buyout. newsprint ain’t worth notin today, so they may be lookin for a sucker.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:46 pmIntellectual discourse is completely wasted on assholes like you Mark, and you prove it again and again and again. Congratulations on selctively cherry-picking the posts to suit your purposes, though - it shows you’ve graduated the Rush-Hannity academy of empty, lowbrow rhetorical shitflinging.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:46 pmHey, Mark (yeah - I believe you served - lol - snort) and Wingnutt, etc.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:47 pmAs the Replican’ts have been smugly saying for 6 years - elections have consequents. You lost, deal with it. The people of America have installed the Democratic Party in to power for the express purpose of ending our involvement in Iraq. Choke on it.
Mark, I don’t agree with a thing you say or stand for, and I think you are a bit of an a**hole, but I do thank you for your service. I joined the Army in ‘68 and got out in ‘71. I then joined the Navy in ‘75 and retired in ‘93. The ONLY thing we have in common is that we have put our butts on the line in order for people such as our current interlocutors to have the right to say the things we do…
November 14th, 2006 at 3:47 pmI’m still not sure what the supporters of our invasion (note that congress never declared a state of war) would consider a victory?
Since it’s a war on Terror, does that mean that the war isn’t over until Terror is eliminated from the human experience? Wouldn’t that require total mind control of the entire human population?
Aha, it comes full circle.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:47 pmAre you all saying that Freedom and Democracy aren’t worth fighting for?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Sadly, sir, I think that’s exactly what many on the Left are saying.
No. You would have to be delusional to think that “freedom and democracy” have anything to do with this war.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:48 pm.
#71
Get off the semantics, the blogosphere is a lenient medium when it comes to grammar and correct spelling.
As an example, take a look at one of your recent posts:
The undeniable fact is the American people spoke last Tuesday and the Repugs LOST!!! No amount of bellyacheing, whining or threats will change that.
Go crawl back into your slime-infested holes and ponder this for a while.
Comment by uhclem — November 14, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
Perhaps you missed class the day “bellyaching” was on the 3rd grade spelling list.
=)
November 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pmJoe Lieberman will chair the Homeland Security Committee.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pm(breaking news on CNN)
They live under the umbrella of freedom and criticize each battle, each misstep, etc.
Precisely because we are free. Dissent is patriotic. The fact that this looks like hypocrisy to you only shows what a stranger you are to American values.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pm.
#72 I did answer you question, but you haven’t answered mine.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:50 pmMark, I don’t agree with a thing you say or stand for, and I think you are a bit of an a**hole, but I do thank you for your service. I joined the Army in ‘68 and got out in ‘71. I then joined the Navy in ‘75 and retired in ‘93. The ONLY thing we have in common is that we have put our butts on the line in order for people such as our current interlocutors to have the right to say the things we do…
Comment by uhclem
Ha! I can live with that, sir.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:50 pmmighty aphrodite,
I had to alter somewhat, but it is the closest we have come to agreeing in quite some time:
In short, I wish peaceful americans would swamp the boat of radicalism that is at the core of radical conservatism/christianity. I do want to convert, reason with, and try to understand radical conservatives/christians. I want them happy and educated….that way they can change their mindset after their “sensitivity training†and live in peace and prosperity.s……
Imagine.
Peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:50 pmTo Mark Glesne; can you name one instance in human history in which democracy was successfully installed by an invading force, to a country that has never before had it?
Just one.
If you can’t, will you admit that this act had no successful historical precedent, and as such, it was doomed to failure from the start?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:52 pm#84 Bellyacheing is correct in the British lexicon. I lived overseas and went to a British school. I would venture to guess that I am FAR better educated than you. Please try and forgive me for that.
The mind of a Conservative is like the pupil of the eye - the more light you shed on it, the narrower it becomes.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:54 pm“He enlisted to get money for college - not for George’s excellent Iraq adventure.” Comment by barfly
********Barfly - So grandson isn’t really interested in serving the country in the military? Doing what the military does? Breaking things, killing people, building schools, etc.? What did he think it was….Boy Scout Camp?
I guess you could say he had the misfortune to have terrible timing. Maybe he should have joined AmeriCorps for college cash - or hit Grandma barfly up for a loan…..
P.S. The correct spelling of one of the fabulous enclaves you mentioned is Rancho Santa Fe….but you got Poway, La Jolla, and Coronado right.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:55 pm#88 Don’t call me “sir”. I worked for a living.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI’m still not sure what the supporters of our invasion (note that congress never declared a state of war) would consider a victory?
Seeing as how the CIA and the Mossad have been telling George Bush for over a year that his occupation of Iraq only helps al Qaeda and hurts US interests, I can only imagine that the traitors who still support the war won’t be happy until the US is attacked again.
They support a policy that only helps the enemy and hurts America. What do you expect from such people?
November 14th, 2006 at 3:55 pm.
roger_roger,
November 14th, 2006 at 3:56 pmSince you seem to be intellectually challenged I will say it slowly: S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-L-L-Y how many? 1 million? 10 million? 26.5 million?
People:
November 14th, 2006 at 3:56 pmThis war was never about winning, democracy, or any other piece of shit bill of goods this administration sold us. It was purely for the enrichment of the people / corporations associated and close to the administration. Any other reasoning is self delusion. Point in fact - after the succesfull WAR, we left everything BUT the Oil ministry unguarded - what does that tell you? Funny how they have replaced the old machinery of oil production with new Halliburton material, yet can’t seem to meter how much is leaving the country - what does that tell you? Halliburton (just one profiteerting company connected to the administation) stock has increased dramatically since the invasion, and they have received numerous no bid contracts, and been awarded bonuses for feeding our troops tainted food and brushing thier teeth with shower wayter - what does this tell you? It tells me that NO MORE american lives, money, and stature need to be wasted on the enrichment of a few, with the added cost of innocent Iraqi lives - whom we are now fighting in an occupation war. They said if we didn’t beat the VC, we would fight them on the shores of Santa Monica, yet we won the cold war, and never once saw VC invading Santa Monica, or anywhere else…The fake ass war on terror is like the fake ass war on drugs, with some intelligent exploration you find that it’s not a war meant to be won
Wow, I was wondering where all the trolls went.
Sooo.. Let’s see now. Iraq is FUBAR. Iraq has long been FUBAR. Everyone in the rest of the world knows Iraq is FUBAR. A majority of Americans know Iraq is FUBAR.
But these sad, pathetic little trolls continue to insist that if we close our eyes and clap real loud, Iraq will return, like Tinkerbelle, from the brink of death.
Sorry, you stupid trolls, recognizing that Bush and his entire administration have screwed up in every conceivable way - they made up their own intelligence to justify a war for… well, for some reason - they screwed up the war plans with fantasy - they accused, as the trolls still do, the patriotism of every American who knows what a collossal F/U the whole adventure is - hey, let’s throw in that they’ve betrayed every conservative idea with big government, big deficits, and rank authoritarianism - but yeah, let’s keep shooting the messenger.
Meanwhile, their comrade in arms has been sending fake anthrax letters around the US - sorry, chickenhawks, you can’t call my side friends of terrorism while your side is actually committing it.
You wingnuts need to get out of the country now - seriously - before the hammers of justice come down on your terrorism, your traitorous acts, and your betrayal of every single American value.
This last election was just the opening blow of the first round. The American people have seen through you. Run, and be very afraid.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:56 pm#90 - Barfly - You weren’t a history major were you? Look up J-A-P-A-N.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:57 pmMighty lives in Escondido. Heh.
November 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#95 uhclem !
November 14th, 2006 at 3:59 pmNow that’s a phrase I have not heard in a very long time.
“Just one. If you can’t, will you admit that this act had no successful historical precedent, and as such, it was doomed to failure from the start?” Comment by barfly
*******Having noted the country of Japan - I’m sure we’ll now get to hear the infamous barfly admit that she’s not that bright - but she means well……
November 14th, 2006 at 4:01 pmWow I served too! Does that mean that I can walk on water? Or that my opinion counts more (no matter how assinine) than others?
Nope, not at all. I served so that all can remain free and to protect the rights of all. Only a coward believes that you have to kill someone to save them, and only a fool acts on such “orders”. Wearing a uniform does not absolve you of crimes, nor does it make you a saint.
Peace.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:04 pmMighty A, your class hatred is astounding to behold. Your parents must have been two snobs of the highest order. So you are one of the white-collar shysters. Delicious. Do you pal it up with Ivan Boesky? How about Mike Milken? Or do you run in the Duke’s circles?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:05 pm“Mighty lives in Escondido. Heh.” Comment by ForTruth
******Spoken like an envious gal from Santee, National City or Chula Juana…..
November 14th, 2006 at 4:08 pmBarfly - You weren’t a history major were you? Look up J-A-P-A-N.
Comment by mighty aphrodite —
You didn’t take semantics in college? How sad for you. Japan attacked us first, you poor, little, no-semantics-knowin’ little thing. We weren’t the invaders. Japan attacked us first - making our attack a response to their invasion. Do the white-collar crooks up north know how bad you are at logical thought? Don’t worry your secret’s safe with me.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmIf we can’t agree that all the people of the world deserve freedom and Democracy, we certainly cannot find common ground. I always thought that everyone recognized that universal right. I guess many of you are fine with many people not ever getting a chance at freedom. I for one think everyone deserves freedom. Sadly, our government hasn’t done enough to secure those rights to many in other countries we ignore.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmMA, you are wrong, the initial invasion was Pearl Harbor. Don’t you remember that? Slept in that class also huh? So now quick name an invading force that was successful?
You too Mark G. jump right in and show us all where this has ever worked before.
Also, give me an estimate on the ultimate cost of this adventure in dollars. You have such strong convictions on “Staying the Course” so give me an idea on the dollar amount.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:11 pmown my office and don’t steal my employers time to play here.
No you wouldn’t want to get caught doing that by your white-collar criminal clients, they might whack you.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:12 pmWe do agree on that Roger. What we don’t agree with is your insane and dishonest twisting of that agreement into an imperative to launch illegal wars of aggression in its name.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:12 pmSpare me your phony tears, roger. This was never about freedom and Democracy, it was simple resource theft dressed up in happy rags to fool idiots like you.
Yes, I think everyone deserves it, but I’m not naiive. I don’t live in some satanic fairy tale where we can blast the little brown people into freedom.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:13 pm.
If we can’t agree that all the people of the world deserve freedom and Democracy, we certainly cannot find common ground. I always thought that everyone recognized that universal right.
And yet you’re not advocating invasion of China - one of the most unfree places on the planet. Why is that?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:15 pmThe NeoCons don’t give up too easily. They are now confronted with the nightmare of John Murtha becoming the face of the movement to bring home our troops…and they’ll do everything in their power to prevent this from happening. No surprise from the editorial board of the Washington Post…they have been cheerleaders for this NeoCon instigated war from day one. My guess is that the swift-boarding of John Murtha has just begun. Fortunately, he’s the kind of ex-marine that will not be reluctant about telling them to f**** off.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:15 pmOh, HERE is where Barfly is hiding. Barfly, I just want to let you know I accept your apology from yesterday. So, you spoke without first knowing the facts. It was not the first time you have done so. But try and make it the last, okay pal? Just try and do a little better research next time.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pmHmmmmm. I just thought of something.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pmDuh-bya told us that the terrorists hate us for our freedom. Then he went and cancelled habeus corpus, condoned torture and illegally tapped our phones. Do you think maybe he did all that to get the terrorists to hate us less?
#118
Oh I certainly agree that if our only reason for invasion is aggression, then we are in the wrong. What I currently see is a US government trying to secure the peace and build the Iraqi government to a point were they can defend themselves. I also see that our US government is doing a very bad job at it. I only wish the Dems would come out and have a plan to win this thing instead of simply leave. Whether you are for or against this war, us leaving spells doom for the mideast and us. We need new leaders that can quickly find a way to secure the peace and get Iraqi’s to be able to protect themselves. And yes, I am also a Vet.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pmJeez…does anyone else believe this “liberal media” crap.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:18 pmI am all for George staying the course, I think once he is out of office, He, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearle, and all the other Neo-con freaks should head over to Iraq and stay the course. Then the US can pull troops out, and he can finish the job.
Anybody have a problem with that idea?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:19 pm“You didn’t take semantics in college? How sad for you. (Islamic terrorists) attacked us first, you poor, little, no-semantics-knowin’ little thing. We weren’t the invaders. (Islamic terrorists) attacked us first - making our attack a response to their invasion.”
*****barf-ly - - YOU were almost RIGHT!! Congrats! Re-read your post above - I fixed you few little mistakes - which illustrate your Straw man argument ANF the ignorance. According to your stretch of “logic” FDR must have been one hell of an Imperialist…..
I wonder why your grandson didn’t ask YOU for the college cash??
November 14th, 2006 at 4:22 pmSo the cowardly warmongers cannot answer the simple questions of how many Iraqi deaths are acceptable for their victory. Actually, they will not answer because there is only one answer that fits into such a warped mindset, and that is “as many as it takes”.
Which means that supporters of the Iraqi “war” believe that it is acceptable to kill all the Iraqis to achieve victory. That is the unspoken truth. That is why wars of ideals never end in victory and are an abomination upon humanity. And that is why you are no better than the terrorists.
But now I will be deluged with cries of “foul” as to not supporting the troops or lumping all americans together or being a terrorist sympathizer. None are true of course. Murder, whether committed by a terrorist or a uniformed soldier of the US military, is a despicable and heinous crime.
Please stop it now. I know you all have taken a huge step towards that goal but do not let the warmongers sway you with their standard ploys of patriotism and support for the troops. There is nothing patriotic about abandoning your core values and it is not supporting the troops when you force them to become murderers.
May peace be with us all.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:27 pmRoger - like Paul, you keep saying “win this thing”. Define “win” please.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:27 pmMA - where, exactly, on my map will I find the country called “Islamic Extremists”? - sounds like you didn’t take geography.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:29 pmMighty, If you ever saw actual combat, you would not be the same person you are now. Did you enjoy using my tax dollars during peacetime to go to school?
November 14th, 2006 at 4:34 pmMA was that supposed to be a refutation? Please explain. Or admit there is no historical precedent . . .
November 14th, 2006 at 4:35 pmI wonder why your grandson didn’t ask YOU for the college cash??
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Because he’s a good kid, and knows I’m caring for his ill grandmother. Like I said Ma, your class hatred is transparent. And it’s elitist - something you rag on others about, to no end.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:39 pmStraight from wikipedia:-
Aphrodite, in many of the myths involving her, is characterized as vain, ill-tempered and easily offended.
November 14th, 2006 at 4:54 pm- wingnutt
I’ll wager dollars to doughnuts that tough guy wingnutt didn’t send that message from Iraq. More likely, he’s busy wetting himself with fear that “if we don’t fight them there we’ll have to fight them here”, and hiding in mommy’s basement.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:00 pmI still see no answer from the supporters of this War On Terror as to what constitutes a ‘win’ in this case.
Much to my chagrin, I did see a comment about ‘Dems need to come up with a plan’. There is a lot of irrational hate ingrained in uneducated white America. Wise people say it comes from having never known the love of a tribe, having a history of assimilation stretching back past the days of Ellis Island, even. Whatever it is, it is rampant, unjustified, and disgusting. That is why these people cannot provide an answer. They have justification without reason, action without plan, a desire to feel like a winner because of a deep fear and loathing of being a loser. It’s called being a victim of social narcotics. The junkie doesn’t know why, he just knows that he must.
Maybe junkie is a bit harsh, but not by much. What would you call people who support irrational actions for reasons unknown even to them? I’m fairly sure it’s not spelled ‘patriots’.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:02 pmRepervlicans–can’t live with ‘em, can’t send them off to foreign countries to be tortured. Hey…wait a second…
November 14th, 2006 at 5:03 pm#134 - “where, exactly, on my map will I find the country called “Islamic Extremistsâ€? - sounds like you didn’t take geography.” Comment by tom baker
*******Dear Tommy - THANK YOU!!!! Your succinct and completely STUPID question illustrates the inability of Progs and Progettes to grasp and/or compehend the nature of the barbarian ideological war we face. If we faced a nation state( and not a bastardized ideology) the solution would be much more simple (level the nation state or remove the head of state, which was the great threat to Nazi Germany and Japan)- - and who knows, even YOU might “get it”.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:11 pmDon’t call me “sirâ€. I worked for a living.
Comment by uhclem
Haha, this I understand. I chose to “work” for the military as well - even though I didn’t join until after receiving my bachelor’s.
However, in the Marines we tend to treat civilians with the same regard as officers.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:15 pmSo MA - what’s your “final solution” - genocide???
November 14th, 2006 at 5:18 pmHateful coward.
Just try and do a little better research next time.
This, from Dough Feith’s biggest sucker.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:19 pm.
Dear Tommy - THANK YOU!!!! Your succinct and completely STUPID question illustrates the inability of Progs and Progettes to grasp and/or compehend the nature of the barbarian ideological war we face.
And thank you for showing you have no answer to the question of how to win.
That was the point. As ever, it’s over the pointed heads of Bush’s useful idiots.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:20 pm.
#143
I try and I try not to stoop to your level, but I have to ask how it was possible for you to miss the point of his post?
I also visibly cringe at your idea that were it as simple as facing a nation instead of an ideology, we could just bomb or assassinate ourselves a ‘victory’. Sure, we did that with Hiroshima/Nagasaki, but that’s been widely accepted as one of the more barbaric actions taken by a human civilization.
I would think someone of your excellent breeding and position would not condone such actions, since they are demonstrably beneath what would be considered ‘civilized’.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:24 pmI try and I try not to stoop to your level, but I have to ask how it was possible for you to miss the point of his post?
MA was just running scared. They have no answer, so they have to pretend they don’t get it.
Ignorance is their only argument now. Considering the failure of everything they’ve tried, can you blame them?
They have nothing. They’ve accomplished nothing. They are nothing.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:30 pm.
Sure, we did that with Hiroshima/Nagasaki, but that’s been widely accepted as one of the more barbaric actions taken by a human civilization.
It has????? Maybe within your little niche. But not among the rest of us.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:33 pmRogerRoger: “If we can’t agree that all the people of the world deserve freedom and Democracy, we certainly cannot find common ground.”
This isn’t about what anyone deserves. Assuming one thinks it’s our duty to make sure everyone in the world gets “freedom and Democracy,” is it legitimate to spend American blood and money to spread our form of “democracy” to other places in the world by force? I don’t happen to think we should spend lives trying to force people to adhere to our form of government.
Iraq was not a threat to the United States. Iraq never attacked the United States. Iraq never declared war on the United States. Our congress funded and authorized the attack on Iraq based on misinformation and outright lies by the administration. It serves no purpose to continue spending American blood and money on an illegal war which serves no useful purpose.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:43 pmMA, Are you suggesting then we obliterate the entire country of Iraq and build it back up from the rubble because that’s what we did to Japan.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:45 pmWinning means supporting the Iraqi government with our troops until they standup sufficient Iraqi police forces to secure Iraq themselves. The result would be an autonomous secure democracy in the Middle East that would demonstrate an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism. There is a plan and a way to win. All we need now is, will.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:46 pmWhy is the media so bent on doing this? Clearly this is a coordinated attempt by the corporate power-handlers to use the media to blunt the new power of the Democratic majority. I hope the boys in blue on capitol hill recognize the danger of a consolidated, monopolized media market.
Perhaps its time for new FCC regulation?
November 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pmMighty Aphrodite might want to look at her “history”:
In his epic of the Trojan War, Homer tells how Aphrodite intervened in battle to save her son Aeneas, a Trojan ally. The Greek hero Diomedes, who had been on the verge of killing Aeneas, attacked the goddess herself, wounding her on the wrist with his spear and causing the ichor to flow. (Ichor is what immortals have in the place of blood.)
Aphrodite promptly dropped Aeneas, who was rescued by Apollo, another Olympian sponsor of the Trojans. In pain she sought out her brother Ares, the god of war who stood nearby admiring the carnage, and borrowed his chariot so that she might fly up to Olympus. There she goes crying to her mother Dione, who soothes her and cures her wound. Her father Zeus tells her to leave war to the likes of Ares and Athena, while devoting herself to the business of marriage.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:48 pmmighty aphrodite
I like her!
Comment by Mark Glesne
She’s all yours - take her - please!
November 14th, 2006 at 5:50 pmPaul: “Winning means supporting the Iraqi government with our troops until they standup sufficient Iraqi police forces to secure Iraq themselves. The result would be an autonomous secure democracy in the Middle East that would demonstrate an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism.”
First, you’re assuming that it’s even possible to get a unified Iraqi government. That has yet to be determined. Second, you’re assuming that even if successful, this provides a model. What evidence do you have that people in the middle east want anything other than a theocracy. When they vote, they vote for theocracy and radicalism, at least so far.
Finally, you seem to hold the position that it’s worth 3,000 American lives, 20,000 amputees and $600 billion in taxpayer money to provide an “autonomous secure democracy in the Middle East that would demonstrate an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism.” Nobody in this administration used this as a reason for war when we invaded and I’m pretty sure the American people would not have been willing to shed our blood for this if they were told.
November 14th, 2006 at 5:57 pmthe stuff I’ve seen about Murtha involved ABSCAM. McCain was involved in the Lincoln Savings and loan scandal, and he’s the leading the race for the Republican candidate for president, who says he’s clean other than himself? Our electoral system breeds minor corruption, and I don’t see how any large state congressman has an entirely clean record because money is simply too important and hard to get. If Murtha is dirty, I’d like to hear about it, but ABSCAM is a little too old to be of interest.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:03 pmbut Cokie doesnt…& thats all that really matters.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:10 pmPeople who have defended Ney and Delay are deeply troubled about Murtha’s possible connection to ABSCAM. That’s too funny.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:24 pmFinally, you seem to hold the position that it’s worth 3,000 American lives, 20,000 amputees and $600 billion in taxpayer money to provide an “autonomous secure democracy in the Middle East that would demonstrate an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism.â€
Comment by Bluedog49 — November 14, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
To that I would add: Even if Iraq becomes and “autonomous secure democracy in the Middle East that would demonstrate an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism”, there is no way to guarantee that Iraq -the newly minted MiddleEast democracy- will have interests aligned with those of the US.
Given Iraq’s natural resources, and the US’ thirst for oil, it is more likely that they will find themselves at odds with each other.
So, Paul, do you hold the position that American lives and moneis are worth spending on setting up a democracy that could potentially become a regional rival to the US?
November 14th, 2006 at 6:25 pmAlso you idiotic rite-wing terrorists forget…
Germany and Japan were a united people who surrendered. Can you get that through your stupid thick skulls? THEY GAVE UP. THEY LAID DOWN THEIR WEAPONS. I have never seen the 3 sects of Iraq say they surrender. They are fighting us, and themselves, not for peace and democracy, but for who gets control of their oil, about the only thing they are united against is removing the USA from their country so we cannot steal their oil.
Now stop bringing something that happened 60 years ago up. Because it doesn’t even make sense in the context of our illegal war in Iraq, first it was WMD’s, then Iraqi Freedom, the people do not want freedom, if they did they would be fighting for it, instead of doing everything they can to undermine it.
One thing Iraq has done, is allow Al Qaeda to gain more soldiers, where Al Qaeda was shunned when Saddam was in charge, now they have a field day recruiting young men with no job, no hope.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:33 pmCutting and running from Bush’s failed Iraqi policy may be the only thing that might lead to “victoryâ€; but it’s probably too far gone for that by now.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:05 pmRepublicans YOU LOST the vote about the Iraq war that Bush insist on, which has created 10x the terrorist that hate United State. How in the H… can you talk about losing a war that Bush & the rest of the idiots in control have already lost,,,,,,,,,,,,
November 14th, 2006 at 7:05 pmPaul is absolutely right. Our national security interests and national economic interests demand that Iraqis be given the chance to secure their country. If there must be barbarians - let’s keep them fighting there. They certainly would mess up YOUR kids soccer fields.
Can’t you just imagine the field day the Iranians would have in Iraq?? Even you Prius drivers would get a jolt at the gas station and in your wallets if the economy came to a screeching halt due to the “hostage” of the Middle East - OIL.
Listening to the crybabies here, I am certainly glad CNN and FOX were not broadcasting the daily horrors of Antietam, Vicksburg, Atlanta, Gettysburg, Andersonville, and Normandy, North Africa, the Battle of the Bulge, Dresden - - we have been fortunate to have warriors willing to fight to secure our freedoms. And they provide the opportunity for all ingrates to demonstrate their cowardice.
P.S. Just Some Dude naively notes, “about the only thing they are united against is removing the USA from their country so we cannot steal their oil.” FYI - Stealing is not paying for something - we pay for the oil in money and blood. Please don’t embarass your parents so publicly with your ignorance.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:13 pmIf we all drove hybrid automobiles, there would be no need for that oil, Aphodite, but your third paragraph is telling. If I can paraphrase, you think that wars are easier to fight if we don’t tell the people the truth about what’s happening. That’s a profoundly undemocratic point of view and I’m not surprised.
But, in general, I’m not convinced that our “national security interests and national economic interests” are such that they require the spending of 3000 soldiers, 20000 amputees and $600 billion to ensure. I think it’s fairly obvious that it would have been in our national interests to avoid this debacle.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:27 pmListening to the crybabies here, I am certainly glad CNN and FOX were not broadcasting the daily horrors of Antietam, Vicksburg, Atlanta, Gettysburg, Andersonville,
Beautiful ignorance from the fickle, vain, and pampered So Cal Mighty Whitey. Papers, dispatches, and reports were full of the horror of the war, not to mention the rest.
Ever heard of the NY Draft Riots? Hand work from your Natavist forebearers. I can say this much, Ms. Mighty Enclave Whitey, you’d have been on only one of two sides in the Civil War, and neither would have worn Union Blue.
But your public ignorance is very amusing. Most La Jolla/Rancho gated community types ain’t real deep thinkers.
November 14th, 2006 at 7:46 pmmighty aphrodite, pick up a history book and learn something. You are so ill-informed about our history (first the British then the US) of robbing the region blind of its oil as to be embarrassing.
Do you think anti-American and anti-Western attitudes within the middle and near-east just sprung out of nowhere without any real justification?
November 14th, 2006 at 8:22 pm“Do you think anti-American and anti-Western attitudes within the middle and near-east just sprung out of nowhere without any real justification?”
Comment by lestatdelc
********I think anti-American attitudes are driven by the pervasive hatred of our ally, Israel. I think anti-Western attitudes spring from the imperialism of Europe in that region.
I have a solution. We’ll stop buying their oil, we’ll drill the hell out of oil here and export it once again. They can go back to riding camels and herding goats…..
Off to dinner…..
November 14th, 2006 at 8:45 pmwe have been fortunate to have warriors willing to fight to secure our freedoms.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Too many Rambo movies for you. Poor thing.
November 14th, 2006 at 8:51 pmI HEART Mighty Hermaphrodite! He/she’s my hero!!
November 14th, 2006 at 9:09 pmThe MightyAphole doesn’t know Civil War history either. MAHole The NY draft riots were in the 1860’s you bozo…………
November 14th, 2006 at 10:56 pmDear Mule - The draft riots occurred during the Civil WAR, which you might have gotten if your reading comprehension was above the second grade level (and you weren’t a “Child Left Behind”). I did not say they WERE draft dodgers in the 1960’s - I said they were a fine example TO the draft dodgers in the 1960’s. FYI, (because I realize you are a tad S-L-O-W…..the Civil War draft riots started because the rioters were upset that rich people could pay their servants or another man to take their place in the draft.)
Incidentally, my ancestor who was killed in the Civil War was from the Irish side of our family - and your name “Malone” gives him no pride. He would probably understand the moniker, “Mule”, however.
November 14th, 2006 at 11:10 pmOl Cellulitey’s workin overtime lately….taking the loss real hard….wish I could say I had a scrap of pity lying around for her…..
November 14th, 2006 at 11:27 pmbLIAR, plunger, j. risser, margaret etc. seem to convey the thought that if only Israel would go away - - permanently - - everything would be A-OK. Tradition shows that the poor benighted Palestinians couldn’t manage a flea market; self governance was NEVER their forte. After 1948, one might think the Jordanians, Arabs, Syrians, Egyptians and Iraqis would have welcomed their bedouin brothers with open arms. Unfortunately, the poor Palestinians are a wonderful “cause” for the wahabist sect of Islam - but not much else.
After the soft-hands of Europe allowed the Holocaust to happen (and helped create the anti-Semitic atmosphere in which the HORROR was born) is it any wonder that liberated Jews would want to leave a Europe that forsaked God (and them) and go to their homeland? The current wave of European and American anti-Semitism and the film clips of goose stepping Iranians reminds this daughter of a Jewish mother - NEVER AGAIN!
I appreciate the support of the United States for tiny Israel - I for one believe that one reason the US is so blessed is our defense of Israel.
Good night…..
November 14th, 2006 at 11:49 pmbLiar - I know keeping trackof my family is confusing for YOU.
My father was Irish/Catholic.
My mother was Jewish.
Get it?
November 14th, 2006 at 11:50 pm“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” ~
John Stuart Mill
******I think John Stuart Mill was discussing Progs with a great deal of accuracy…..
November 14th, 2006 at 11:53 pmYour argument is poorly researched and shows no factual basis demonstrating a democracy could not be imposed. Period. Barfly mistakenly posed the challenge to “name one instance in human history in which democracy was successfully installed by an invading force…†The Japanese went to WWII with the Divine Emperor, had a long history of Imperialism and Empire and had contemporary democracy foisted on it as terms of their surrender. This course of action took
How pathetic - I will type in small words so even MA can understand. Japan invaded the US first, so we could not in any way be considered invaders. Ma betrays a complete lack of understanding of both history and semantics - otherwise she wouldn’t have attempted such a laughably weak refutation. The Japanese invaded us first - why is that so hard for her to understand? In this context, my assertion is not refuted by her useless example. So, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at her woeful lack of knowledge of both military and political history, but you’d think an attorney could at least make a rational argument. I feel sorry for anyone who hires her.
November 15th, 2006 at 1:24 amSo to review, Japan attacked first. The US would never have attempted to overthrow the Japanese leadership before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. If we had, then MA’s example would fit, but since we were only responding to Japan’s attack, and we werenot the initial invaders, MA’s example is nothing more than weak pettifogging.
November 15th, 2006 at 1:33 amAs much as I enjoy seeing her embarrassed again and again, it’s time for someone to pull the plug on the MA show - her serial highjacking of every goddamned thread (so she can prattle on about herself) turn this into a complete waste of time. I’ve once or twice had the opportunity to discuss and debate actual ideas with people of varying political stripe, but her loudmouth vainglorious bullshit out-stinks everything anyone else could hope to say (and yes, you psychoc**t, I know you’ll try to turn this into a compliment to you and a shame on me, but the only place that’s true is inside your tortured mind)
GET MA BANNED NOW!!!
November 15th, 2006 at 11:18 am#192 That makes MA a Jew, since it comes down on the mother’s side. MA, if you wish to respond to this, I suggest looking up “Macaca” Allen’s responses on this sublect…
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