Comments on: Washington Post Falsely Claims ‘Most Congressional Democrats’ Oppose Redeployment of U.S. Troops http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:58:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Park http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1626075 Park Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:32:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1626075 I browse and saw you website and I found it very interesting.Thank you for the good work, greetingsB I browse and saw you website and I found it very interesting.Thank you for the good work, greetingsB

]]> By: Think Progress » Hume: Pelosi’s Iraq Position May Put Her ‘At Odds With Her Own Majority’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1159644 Think Progress » Hume: Pelosi’s Iraq Position May Put Her ‘At Odds With Her Own Majority’ Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:49:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1159644 [...] Virtually all of Hume’s charges are wrong. Pelosi isn’t likely to face problems from her caucus over her Iraq position. As ThinkProgress has noted, the majority of House Democrats in the outgoing 109th Congress - 105 of 202 - not only agree with Murtha’s position, but have cosponsored Murtha’s resolution calling for our troops to be “redeployed at the earliest practicable date” out of Iraq. In the 110th Congress, the number is likely to be even higher because many successful candidates called for redeployment during the campaign. [...] [...] Virtually all of Hume’s charges are wrong. Pelosi isn’t likely to face problems from her caucus over her Iraq position. As ThinkProgress has noted, the majority of House Democrats in the outgoing 109th Congress – 105 of 202 – not only agree with Murtha’s position, but have cosponsored Murtha’s resolution calling for our troops to be “redeployed at the earliest practicable date” out of Iraq. In the 110th Congress, the number is likely to be even higher because many successful candidates called for redeployment during the campaign. [...]

]]> By: b http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1141120 b Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:24:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1141120 In all this discussion about war i wonder whether the supporters of it and war in general have forgotten about the commandment "thou shalt not Kill?" Its kind of one of the main tenets of christianity. Well whutya say? b In all this discussion about war i wonder whether the supporters of it and war in general have forgotten about the commandment “thou shalt not Kill?” Its kind of one of the main tenets of christianity. Well whutya say?

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]]> By: Make Them Accountable / We want Murtha … http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1138839 Make Them Accountable / We want Murtha … Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:06:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1138839 [...] Washington Post Falsely Claims ‘Most Congressional Democrats’ Oppose Redeployment of U.S. Troops [...] [...] Washington Post Falsely Claims ‘Most Congressional Democrats’ Oppose Redeployment of U.S. Troops [...]

]]> By: uhclem http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1138105 uhclem Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:04:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1138105 #192 That makes MA a Jew, since it comes down on the mother's side. MA, if you wish to respond to this, I suggest looking up "Macaca" Allen's responses on this sublect... #192 That makes MA a Jew, since it comes down on the mother’s side. MA, if you wish to respond to this, I suggest looking up “Macaca” Allen’s responses on this sublect…

]]> By: tom baker http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1137444 tom baker Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:18:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1137444 As much as I enjoy seeing her embarrassed again and again, it's time for someone to pull the plug on the MA show - her serial highjacking of every goddamned thread (so she can prattle on about herself) turn this into a complete waste of time. I've once or twice had the opportunity to discuss and debate actual ideas with people of varying political stripe, but her loudmouth vainglorious bullshit out-stinks everything anyone else could hope to say (and yes, you psychoc**t, I know you'll try to turn this into a compliment to you and a shame on me, but the only place that's true is inside your tortured mind) GET MA BANNED NOW!!! As much as I enjoy seeing her embarrassed again and again, it’s time for someone to pull the plug on the MA show – her serial highjacking of every goddamned thread (so she can prattle on about herself) turn this into a complete waste of time. I’ve once or twice had the opportunity to discuss and debate actual ideas with people of varying political stripe, but her loudmouth vainglorious bullshit out-stinks everything anyone else could hope to say (and yes, you psychoc**t, I know you’ll try to turn this into a compliment to you and a shame on me, but the only place that’s true is inside your tortured mind)

GET MA BANNED NOW!!!

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135533 barfly Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:33:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135533 So to review, Japan attacked first. The US would never have attempted to overthrow the Japanese leadership before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. If we had, then MA's example would fit, but since we were only <em>responding </em>to Japan's attack, and we were<em>not </em>the initial invaders, MA's example is nothing more than weak pettifogging. So to review, Japan attacked first. The US would never have attempted to overthrow the Japanese leadership before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. If we had, then MA’s example would fit, but since we were only responding to Japan’s attack, and we werenot the initial invaders, MA’s example is nothing more than weak pettifogging.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135505 barfly Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:24:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135505 <em>Your argument is poorly researched and shows no factual basis demonstrating a democracy could not be imposed. Period. Barfly mistakenly posed the challenge to “name one instance in human history in which democracy was successfully installed by an invading force…” The Japanese went to WWII with the Divine Emperor, had a long history of Imperialism and Empire and had contemporary democracy foisted on it as terms of their surrender. This course of action took </em> How pathetic - I will type in small words so even MA can understand. Japan invaded the US first, so we could not in any way be considered invaders. Ma betrays a complete lack of understanding of both history and semantics - otherwise she wouldn't have attempted such a laughably weak refutation. The Japanese invaded us<em> first</em> - why is that so hard for her to understand? In this context, my assertion is not refuted by her useless example. So, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at her woeful lack of knowledge of both military and political history, but you'd think an attorney could at least make a rational argument. I feel sorry for anyone who hires her. Your argument is poorly researched and shows no factual basis demonstrating a democracy could not be imposed. Period. Barfly mistakenly posed the challenge to “name one instance in human history in which democracy was successfully installed by an invading force…” The Japanese went to WWII with the Divine Emperor, had a long history of Imperialism and Empire and had contemporary democracy foisted on it as terms of their surrender. This course of action took

How pathetic – I will type in small words so even MA can understand. Japan invaded the US first, so we could not in any way be considered invaders. Ma betrays a complete lack of understanding of both history and semantics – otherwise she wouldn’t have attempted such a laughably weak refutation. The Japanese invaded us first – why is that so hard for her to understand? In this context, my assertion is not refuted by her useless example. So, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at her woeful lack of knowledge of both military and political history, but you’d think an attorney could at least make a rational argument. I feel sorry for anyone who hires her.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135355 mighty aphrodite Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:53:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135355 "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." ~ John Stuart Mill ******I think John Stuart Mill was discussing Progs with a great deal of accuracy..... “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” ~
John Stuart Mill

******I think John Stuart Mill was discussing Progs with a great deal of accuracy…..

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135349 mighty aphrodite Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:50:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135349 bLiar - I know keeping trackof my family is confusing for YOU. My father was Irish/Catholic. My mother was Jewish. Get it? bLiar – I know keeping trackof my family is confusing for YOU.

My father was Irish/Catholic.
My mother was Jewish.

Get it?

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135344 mighty aphrodite Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:49:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135344 bLIAR, plunger, j. risser, margaret etc. seem to convey the thought that if only Israel would go away - - permanently - - everything would be A-OK. Tradition shows that the poor benighted Palestinians couldn't manage a flea market; self governance was NEVER their forte. After 1948, one might think the Jordanians, Arabs, Syrians, Egyptians and Iraqis would have welcomed their bedouin brothers with open arms. Unfortunately, the poor Palestinians are a wonderful "cause" for the wahabist sect of Islam - but not much else. After the soft-hands of Europe allowed the Holocaust to happen (and helped create the anti-Semitic atmosphere in which the HORROR was born) is it any wonder that liberated Jews would want to leave a Europe that forsaked God (and them) and go to their homeland? The current wave of European and American anti-Semitism and the film clips of goose stepping Iranians reminds this daughter of a Jewish mother - NEVER AGAIN! I appreciate the support of the United States for tiny Israel - I for one believe that one reason the US is so blessed is our defense of Israel. Good night..... bLIAR, plunger, j. risser, margaret etc. seem to convey the thought that if only Israel would go away – - permanently – - everything would be A-OK. Tradition shows that the poor benighted Palestinians couldn’t manage a flea market; self governance was NEVER their forte. After 1948, one might think the Jordanians, Arabs, Syrians, Egyptians and Iraqis would have welcomed their bedouin brothers with open arms. Unfortunately, the poor Palestinians are a wonderful “cause” for the wahabist sect of Islam – but not much else.

After the soft-hands of Europe allowed the Holocaust to happen (and helped create the anti-Semitic atmosphere in which the HORROR was born) is it any wonder that liberated Jews would want to leave a Europe that forsaked God (and them) and go to their homeland? The current wave of European and American anti-Semitism and the film clips of goose stepping Iranians reminds this daughter of a Jewish mother – NEVER AGAIN!

I appreciate the support of the United States for tiny Israel – I for one believe that one reason the US is so blessed is our defense of Israel.

Good night…..

]]> By: tom baker http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135296 tom baker Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:27:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135296 Ol Cellulitey's workin overtime lately....taking the loss real hard....wish I could say I had a scrap of pity lying around for her..... Ol Cellulitey’s workin overtime lately….taking the loss real hard….wish I could say I had a scrap of pity lying around for her…..

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135219 mighty aphrodite Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:10:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135219 Dear Mule - The draft riots occurred during the Civil WAR, which you might have gotten if your reading comprehension was above the second grade level (and you weren't a "Child Left Behind"). I did not say they WERE draft dodgers in the 1960's - I said they were a fine example TO the draft dodgers in the 1960's. FYI, (because I realize you are a tad S-L-O-W.....the Civil War draft riots started because the rioters were upset that rich people could pay their servants or another man to take their place in the draft.) Incidentally, my ancestor who was killed in the Civil War was from the Irish side of our family - and your name "Malone" gives him no pride. He would probably understand the moniker, "Mule", however. Dear Mule – The draft riots occurred during the Civil WAR, which you might have gotten if your reading comprehension was above the second grade level (and you weren’t a “Child Left Behind”). I did not say they WERE draft dodgers in the 1960’s – I said they were a fine example TO the draft dodgers in the 1960’s. FYI, (because I realize you are a tad S-L-O-W…..the Civil War draft riots started because the rioters were upset that rich people could pay their servants or another man to take their place in the draft.)

Incidentally, my ancestor who was killed in the Civil War was from the Irish side of our family – and your name “Malone” gives him no pride. He would probably understand the moniker, “Mule”, however.

]]> By: mulemalone http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1135151 mulemalone Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:56:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1135151 The MightyAphole doesn't know Civil War history either. MAHole The NY draft riots were in the 1860's you bozo............ The MightyAphole doesn’t know Civil War history either. MAHole The NY draft riots were in the 1860’s you bozo…………

]]> By: JC http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1134845 JC Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:09:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1134845 I HEART Mighty Hermaphrodite! He/she's my hero!! I HEART Mighty Hermaphrodite! He/she’s my hero!!

]]> By: Juan C http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1134800 Juan C Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:51:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1134800 <em>we have been fortunate to have warriors willing to fight to secure our freedoms. Comment by mighty aphrodite</em> Too many Rambo movies for you. Poor thing. we have been fortunate to have warriors willing to fight to secure our freedoms.
Comment by mighty aphrodite

Too many Rambo movies for you. Poor thing.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1134760 mighty aphrodite Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:45:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1134760 "Do you think anti-American and anti-Western attitudes within the middle and near-east just sprung out of nowhere without any real justification?" Comment by lestatdelc ********I think anti-American attitudes are driven by the pervasive hatred of our ally, Israel. I think anti-Western attitudes spring from the imperialism of Europe in that region. I have a solution. We'll stop buying their oil, we'll drill the hell out of oil here and export it once again. They can go back to riding camels and herding goats..... Off to dinner..... “Do you think anti-American and anti-Western attitudes within the middle and near-east just sprung out of nowhere without any real justification?”
Comment by lestatdelc

********I think anti-American attitudes are driven by the pervasive hatred of our ally, Israel. I think anti-Western attitudes spring from the imperialism of Europe in that region.

I have a solution. We’ll stop buying their oil, we’ll drill the hell out of oil here and export it once again. They can go back to riding camels and herding goats…..

Off to dinner…..

]]> By: lestatdelc http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1134594 lestatdelc Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:22:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1134594 mighty aphrodite, pick up a history book and learn something. You are so ill-informed about our history (first the British then the US) of robbing the region blind of its oil as to be embarrassing. Do you think anti-American and anti-Western attitudes within the middle and near-east just sprung out of nowhere without any real justification? mighty aphrodite, pick up a history book and learn something. You are so ill-informed about our history (first the British then the US) of robbing the region blind of its oil as to be embarrassing.

Do you think anti-American and anti-Western attitudes within the middle and near-east just sprung out of nowhere without any real justification?

]]> By: Max Renn http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1134169 Max Renn Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:46:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1134169 <i>Listening to the crybabies here, I am certainly glad CNN and FOX were not broadcasting the daily horrors of Antietam, Vicksburg, Atlanta, Gettysburg, Andersonville,</i> Beautiful ignorance from the fickle, vain, and pampered So Cal Mighty Whitey. Papers, dispatches, and reports were full of the horror of the war, not to mention the rest. Ever heard of the NY Draft Riots? Hand work from your Natavist forebearers. I can say this much, Ms. Mighty Enclave Whitey, you'd have been on only one of two sides in the Civil War, and neither would have worn Union Blue. But your public ignorance is very amusing. Most La Jolla/Rancho gated community types ain't real deep thinkers. Listening to the crybabies here, I am certainly glad CNN and FOX were not broadcasting the daily horrors of Antietam, Vicksburg, Atlanta, Gettysburg, Andersonville,

Beautiful ignorance from the fickle, vain, and pampered So Cal Mighty Whitey. Papers, dispatches, and reports were full of the horror of the war, not to mention the rest.

Ever heard of the NY Draft Riots? Hand work from your Natavist forebearers. I can say this much, Ms. Mighty Enclave Whitey, you’d have been on only one of two sides in the Civil War, and neither would have worn Union Blue.

But your public ignorance is very amusing. Most La Jolla/Rancho gated community types ain’t real deep thinkers.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-1133894 Bluedog49 Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:27:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/14/post-murtha-iraq/#comment-1133894 If we all drove hybrid automobiles, there would be no need for that oil, Aphodite, but your third paragraph is telling. If I can paraphrase, you think that wars are easier to fight if we don't tell the people the truth about what's happening. That's a profoundly undemocratic point of view and I'm not surprised. But, in general, I'm not convinced that our "national security interests and national economic interests" are such that they require the spending of 3000 soldiers, 20000 amputees and $600 billion to ensure. I think it's fairly obvious that it would have been in our national interests to avoid this debacle. If we all drove hybrid automobiles, there would be no need for that oil, Aphodite, but your third paragraph is telling. If I can paraphrase, you think that wars are easier to fight if we don’t tell the people the truth about what’s happening. That’s a profoundly undemocratic point of view and I’m not surprised.

But, in general, I’m not convinced that our “national security interests and national economic interests” are such that they require the spending of 3000 soldiers, 20000 amputees and $600 billion to ensure. I think it’s fairly obvious that it would have been in our national interests to avoid this debacle.

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