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By: CanYouBelieveIt

CanYouBelieveIt — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:13:08 +0000

Is it just me or does it make sense to anyone else:

If you lose a war and it has no impact on your strategic position, then the war must not have been all that dang important in the first place.

The soviet system fell less than twenty years after we “lost” the war in VN, and the chi-coms and the Vietcong opened their markets to the west and asked to join the WTO as dues paying members shortly thereafter. Is this the agony of defeat?

What was the alternative in VN? Were we going to occupy Hanoi and deal with the kind of insurgency we now have in Iraq? Or, were we just going to kill with Nukes all the people we were allegedly liberating?

Obviously I don’t get the deep wisdom of Kissinger and dubya. I guess I’m just an idiot.

And another thing, the Repugs claim Raygun defeated the USSR, but the Taliban also claim the credit for the fall of the USSR. If Raygun was trying to scare the USSR by running up huge deficits, can somebody tell poor ignorant me why the USSR didn’t just hunker down like Cuba or N. Korea? Could it be they really were scared of the Moslems more than they were the awesome ability of the US to pour money down a rat hole? Put yourself in their shoes: Hmmm, we can either get the US to sink billions in our oil fields like they do the military industrial money pit, or we can face the Moslems alone — what to do? Gee, I guess we’ll take the money. Tough choice!

Like I say, I’m really dumb. So just spell it all out for me without out all the sarcasm, double entendres and sophisticated witicisms. All that clever right-wing rhetoric is lost on me anyhow. Just make it simple, so a simpleton like me can understand: How are we helping ourselves by endlessly pouring money and blood onto the burning quicksands of Iraq?

Is this really what Machiavelli would have advised a renaissance Prince? But wait, Venice destroyed Constantinople on that kind of advice, thereby dooming millions of Christians to future Moslem domination. So, I guess the advice of Kissinger doesn’t seem so out of line with the history of stupid wars down through the ages.

Oh, but wait, I know. It’s all so that we can speed up Armageddon and the rapture — so we can be lifted up into the thin frigid air of the stratosphere, or the crystaline spheres, or whatever the flat earth society thinks is above the clouds. Am I getting warm?

Oh, Oh! I know! We play the role of Shiva, the destroyer, to save mankind by destroying it. Now I get it. Mel Gibson, are you listening? Let’s you and me collaborate on a script. When in doubt, do something violent. Our salvation is at hand.

By: Think Progress » In Shift To Right, McCain Embraces Henry Kissinger

Think Progress » In Shift To Right, McCain Embraces Henry Kissinger — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:12:50 +0000

[...] The selection reflects an increasingly unified position on Iraq advocated by Kissinger, McCain, and President Bush. Bush is reportedly set to adopt McCain’s plan to escalate the war with tens of thousands of additional U.S. troops, and has taken up Kissinger’s mantra that victory in Iraq simply requires “sticking it out”: Kissinger sensed wobbliness everywhere on Iraq, and he increasingly saw it through the prism of the Vietnam War. For Kissinger, the overriding lesson of Vietnam is to stick it out. [...]

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Dave Rabbit features CAL and Mr. Bush Goes to Vietnam at — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:26:37 +0000

[...] He has no facts to back up this concept, but that doesn’t matter. He is saying that this folly that we are spending trillions of dollars on boils down to overcoming “hate” with “freedom”. Apparently, this can be accomplished by sheer stubbornness. I don’t know about you, but I have never heard of such an asinine foreign policy in my life. You can watch the video of Bush telling us to stick it out here at ThinkProgress. [...]

By: marco-plento

marco-plento — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:57:01 +0000

OK.. now victory in Iraq. Whose side are we on? Shia’ or Suni? I ask because they will fight until one dominates the other. To win, we must either render both sides so much death and destruction they have no will to fight even each other, or bring them to the table to be friends. How likely is EITHER scenario? The Three State Solution is the only way to Get Out with minimal loss of life and property. REMEMBER Iraq is only an artificial creation of UK/Allies after WW I in order to secure the OIL RESOURCES for western exploitation. There is NO REASONABLE LOGIC to maintain the current borders and “NATION” now that all semblance of a unified government nad infrastructure has been totally anhilated by yours truly.

Please, quit your personal attacks, and start defining in detail “VICTORY” and “SOLUTION” ok?? I gave you my solution, what is yours?

By: Die Dolchstosslegende « Abstract Nonsense

Die Dolchstosslegende « Abstract Nonsense — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:04:40 +0000

[...] The same thing is now developing in Iraq. It used to be confined to the fringe right and neoconservative intellectuals, but lately it’s been creeping into the mainstream, to the point that Bush is saying, “We’ll succeed unless we quit” (via Amanda). [...]

By: Phil Davidson

Phil Davidson — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:14:40 +0000

Bush says we stay until we are victorious. Why don’t we just declare victory and go home then? What is victory in Iraq? Why should we worry about their civil war? Who cares if ElQaida takes up residency in Iraq? No Tora Bora caves in Iraq. They sould be easy to monitor there.

By: joell

joell — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:59:18 +0000

“We made the mess, we need to clean it up.
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just curious………does the “we” include you or your relatives?

By: jwberrie

jwberrie — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 04:17:25 +0000

This is exactly the talking point used by the rightwing..That american lost in Vietnam because we didn’t try hard enough. This despite the fact that we spent 15 years fighting there and in the end were worse off than when we started. More war materiel was expended there than in both theaters of WW 11 together.

By: futureStar

futureStar — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:28:07 +0000

I know a tall, dark, sexy heart-o-pine 2 X 4 that would love to date Henry Kissinger. Just a metaphor for how ridiculous Kissinger’s input is into our current dilemma, and Bush’s totalitarian double speak to indicate we have the insurgency right where we want them. His ability to keep a step ahead in adding to the catastrophic end game is unprecedented. It’s like he’s running forward from in hope of finding a resolve and continuous stream of conformation for his skewered, reckless policies. Every time Bush goes behind a microphone we are witnessing the historic unraveling of a modern day Attila. By his own hand and his will many have been made to suffer.

By: kasinca

kasinca — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:01:51 +0000

Dubya is a drunken AWOL coward who never served in combat…dodged service in Vietnam and has started a war just as stupid as Vietnam was. Dubya is supported by the 31%ers of the bottom dwelling delivernce wing of the GOP…the party that was defeated handily most recently and which the majority of Americans has turned away as stupid, crooked, dishonest, cowardly, hypocritical. That wing of the party supports profits of the militray industrial complex and oil companies and hides the closeted gay pedophiles they have entrusted leadership roles. Dubya is a worthless swine who will go down in history as the greatest mistake the USA ever made.

By: loretta

loretta — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:25:54 +0000

how ’bout this, George–how ’bout you and Cheney and Halliburton and Carlyle and KEN LAY (who I suspect is “laying low” in Paraguay right about now) go ahead and continue this debacle ON YOUR OWN DIME?
You LOVE privatization so much–hire your own damned army to continue your SUCCESSFUL campaign to bring Democracy to Iraq, and when you’re finished, claim the spoils (OIL) for yourself and charge us whatever you like.
You’re right, we just don’t have the stomach for this kind of thing, so just take your game somewhere else, and you can make us pay for kicking you out of our yard later, ‘kay?

By: Picklepuss

Picklepuss — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:28:25 +0000

Must have found some good weed over there Georgie!

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Picklepuss — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:28:01 +0000

Must of found some good weed over there Georgie!

By: H Musson

H Musson — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 02:08:36 +0000

The possible democratic future of Iraq would most likely follow the current pattern in Palestine and The Palestinian Authority. Washington, London Paris et al will tolerate ‘democracy’ only and until it threatens their interests.