Kondracke Dubs Nancy Pelosi The ‘Wicked Witch Of The West’
Kondracke Dubs Nancy Pelosi The ‘Wicked Witch Of The West’
Fox News host Mort Kondracke, the “left-leaning” counterpart to Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes on Fox News’ The Beltway Boys, said last night that incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) should be nicknamed the “Wicked Witch of the West.”
According to Kondracke, Pelosi has already been pressuring fellow Democrats, “twisting arms and making — you know, having her aides making threats, and stuff like that.” Asked by Brit Hume if that was really happening, Kondracke said, “Supposedly.” Watch it:
(HT: NewsHounds)
Full transcript:
KONDRACKE: So the history on House leadership is, we had “The Hammer, Tom DeLay, and now we have the “Wicked Witch of the West,” you know, Nancy Pelosi, who is twisting arms and making — you know, having her aides making threats, and stuff like that.
HUME: But was that really happening?
KONDRACKE: Supposedly. That’s, that’s — it got heavily reported, and I have heard no contradictions of that.
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Hi!
November 17th, 2006 at 4:23 pmIS FOX A HOAX?
November 17th, 2006 at 4:23 pmsupposedly someone might even be listening to his flapping mouth. Most likely not.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:24 pmKondracke apparently is not the only liberal who sees that Pelosi is a potential disaster in the making…The New York Times Editorial today read:
Editorial
Speaker Pelosi Tempts Disaster
Published: November 17, 2006
Nancy Pelosi has managed to severely scar her leadership even before taking up the gavel as the new speaker of the House. First, she played politics with the leadership of the House Intelligence Committee to settle an old score and a new debt. And then she put herself in a lose-lose position by trying to force a badly tarnished ally, Representative John Murtha, on the incoming Democratic Congress as majority leader. The party caucus put a decisive end to that gambit yesterday, giving the No. 2 job to Steny Hoyer, a longtime Pelosi rival.
But Ms. Pelosi’s damage to herself was already done. The well-known shortcomings of Mr. Murtha were broadcast for all to see — from his quid-pro-quo addiction to moneyed lobbyists to the grainy government tape of his involvement in the Abscam scandal a generation ago. The resurrected tape — feasted upon by Pelosi enemies — shows how Mr. Murtha narrowly survived as an unindicted co-conspirator, admittedly tempted but finally rebuffing a bribe offer: “I’m not interested — at this point.â€
Mr. Murtha would have been a farcical presence in a leadership promising the cleanest Congress in history. Ms. Pelosi should have been first to realize this, having made such a fiery campaign sword of her vows to end Capitol corruption. Instead, she acted like some old-time precinct boss and lost the first test before her peers.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2006/ 11/ 17/ opinion/ 17fri2.html
November 17th, 2006 at 4:24 pmWas that in this morning’s daily memo or are these actors ad libbing?
KONDRACKE: Supposedly. That’s, that’s — it got heavily reported, and I have heard no contradictions of that
No one refuted my assertion earlier the world is flat so it is a CONfligrated FACT.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:25 pmNo, sorry. FOX is not a hoax, FOX is a bad joke. But they learned their lesson from the “Wochenschau”, the German NAZI News show from 1939 - 1945.
http://www.shoa.de/wochenschau.html
November 17th, 2006 at 4:27 pmThis excrement along with Kristol will be the last ones dragged off kicking and screaming “I am not obsolete” in which the world will chorus
OBSOLETE!!!!
November 17th, 2006 at 4:29 pmLOL! The Christanic buttf*cks are running scared.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:29 pmSupposedly you’re making things up out of your ass. I also heard something about the Democrat’s “civil war” today.
Not that you’d expect anything less on Fox News as they don’t employ real journalists.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pmSo…she’s acting like Tom DeLay did? Fine by me. DeLay was hugely successful in keeping the House in line behind a solid conservative agenda for a decade.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pmFact is, Kondracke and Barns are gay lover. Until they contridict my assertion, it’s “hump back conservative at Fake News”.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pmBoner passing out cash on the House floor shows class.
DeLay holding a vote open long past the agreed on 15 minutes is fine.
Foley IM’ng Pages is OK until caught.
Hasturd covering Foley’s sick Ass is acceptable.
Frist doing a video diagnosis of a comatose person was worth all the Neosluts flying to Washington during the Holidays, no problem.
Fox News making shit up & calling it news!
Get ready to rrrrrumble, folks! We’ll just have to get used to the name calling, because WE WON THE ELECTIONS!
November 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pmExley,
November 17th, 2006 at 4:31 pmOkay. So how does that article make her into some demon? Explain that please. She said she backed Murtha….he wasn’t voted in. What arm twisitng thug-like actions did she take. Sounds to me she is acting like someone that states what she thinks. Oh yeah. your article is an editorial….always using opinions as facts. Typical.
Exley is dumbfounded, perplexed , and morally puzzled as to why anyone does not goose step in line when a leader makes a position. It is called democracy. An abhorrent and treasonous action to Bush apologists and brownshirts like Exley & Daryll.
You have been banished to your room and to keep your trap shut while we clean up your mess. No computer for 2 years child.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:33 pmWay to get off to a great start, Mort. I’m glad you’ve decided to rise above the petty name-calling and engage in serious civil discourse.
You think you got whupped this time? You’re gonna get your asses kicked from here to kingdom come in ‘08.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:35 pmyou know, Nancy Pelosi, who is twisting arms and making — you know, having her aides making threats, and stuff like that.
That is EXACTLY what I want her to do…
Be the iron fist necessary to rule Congress.
If she isn’t doing this, then I’ll think it’s bad news…
November 17th, 2006 at 4:36 pmPelosi has already been pressuring fellow Democrats, “twisting arms and making — you know, having her aides making threats, and stuff like that.†- - GASP!!!! Pelosi is acting like a politician?!?!
November 17th, 2006 at 4:36 pma little off subject but why do you folks hate Christians
November 17th, 2006 at 4:37 pmExley you sexist asshole…..:) No cigar.
She is a strong woman who will succeed in the jungle of an environment that is the House. Sorry to disappoint. Your macho crap and double standards ( and that goes for your outed “friends” as well ) will not prevail. Nothing she has done can even begin to compare with the corruption, arm twisting, and incompetence of your crew…………Bite it.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:39 pmSorry guys, the link goes to shoa.de a German page about the Third Reich. Unfortunately it is not yet available in English.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:40 pmFrom Wikipedia:
Die Deutsche Wochenschau – (The German Weekly Newsreel) A reel is housed in the Motion Picture Collection of the Harry S. Truman Library, (MP85-1), and includes historic footage of the Allied landings and combat at Normandy France, July 1944, from the Nazi perspective. The reel was captured by US troops. It is a 16 mm, sound, black and white reel that lasts 16 minutes and 49 seconds.
You mean, she’s playing strong Politics? Oh the horror. Suck it Kondracke, you helmet head fruitball.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:40 pmNo big deal. I’m sure that if you checked, you’d find that Kondracke has called previous Speakers - on the rare occasion they might ever have pressured people - Wicked Warlocks. Surely, right?
November 17th, 2006 at 4:41 pmyeah……exley has to quote opinion pieces cause he has no facts to back his last gasp NeoCon bullshit up. The magical thinking era is coming to an end……or didn’t you know Ex?
November 17th, 2006 at 4:41 pmWow, Dlet, you picked up that it was an editorial…That’s pretty impressive. What was your first clue? When I wrote “New York Times Editorial” or when the word “editorial” appeared above the headline? Either way, good job!
Moreover, the editorial does not make her out to be a demon. It makes her out to be politically tone-deaf and having acted l”ike some old-time precinct boss” who “lost the first test before her peers.”
Read it again. Same goes for you, Heterodoxy.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:42 pmGood golly, this politics thing is a rough business. Not the gentleman’s sport that the Grand Old Party plays with its nice white gloves.
Before you scoff, Fox has it on good authority that Democratic leaders — get this — sometimes *pressure* their members to vote a certain way. Egads! The grand democratic experiment truly was dealt a death blow on November 7.
But don’t worry, lectures from proper etiquette Tom Delay and Newt Gingrich are sure to follow. Watch and learn.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:42 pm#19 “She is a strong woman who will succeed in the jungle of an environment that is the House.”
And yet she lost her very first battle in the House….And that was among Democrats. Heh!
November 17th, 2006 at 4:43 pmWRONG…MOR-TAWN….your full of s*** as usual…
November 17th, 2006 at 4:45 pm’supposedly’…the moon is made of green cheese…
I would have to agree, as the speaker of the house, twisting arms, and pressuring the rest of congress is in the job description. It’s what both Delay, and Hastert, and every speaker since the inception of the house of representatives has done.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:45 pmHUME: But was that really happening?
KONDRACKE: Supposedly. That’s, that’s — it got heavily reported, and I have heard no contradictions of that.
So Hume & Kondrake were just sitting there gossiping? WTF?
I have heard no contradictions of the speculation that Hume was fondling Kondrake under the desk during the interview….
November 17th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI guess when Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia noted “they know who told both (Hoyer and Murtha) camps they’d vote for them - and only the freshmen would get a pass’ is not a threat….so is Jim Moran one of the fLYING monkeys???
November 17th, 2006 at 4:46 pmbut why do you folks hate Christians
Comment by Kevin
Some of us because some of you, like you, like to spread cluster bombs over innocent civilians…next.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:49 pmWe need to look into Boehner’s “boners” of passing out checks from lobbyists on the floor of the Senate. Isn’t that considered payola? Blackmail? Definitely corrupt and overtly corrupt.
Let them say what they wish about Pelosi. She’s got more cajones than all of these men worring about their little schemes being outed combined. They know all about “witches” with Coultergeist as their mouthpiece - hah!
I say Pelosi can’t be “witchey” enough - no more nice guy pattacake with these thugs. It’s time the american people get to see these liars, crooks and predator enablers for what they really are. Speaking of which, no doubt Hastert, Alexander, and Boehner will have some answering to do in Foley’s criminal investigation. They’ll be gone so fast due to their enabling behavior and complicity that it won’t be funny.
To coin one of W’s more brilliant statements: Bring ‘em on Pelosi! The american people are waiting to watch the parade of filth being drawn out of their dens.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:49 pmFrankly, I don’t understand all the brouhaha about the Dems having to choose between Murtha and Hoyer and, even if it does mean a difference of opinion among the Dems, why is that so bad? Isn’t the intolerance of the Bush Republicans and their refusal to allow dissent within their party ranks part of the reason our nation is in such a sad state today? I think the Dems are mature and responsible enough to handle a little dissent. After all, if dissent is healthy for democracy, surely it can be permitted within a political party.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:49 pmNo cigar.
LOL! And some times a cigar is just a cigar, rightards.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:49 pmWhat’s the payoff to the media hit-job on Pelosi? Does all this BS actually manifest some advantage for the republicans, or is it just the predictable, pavlovian, angry-white-male response to the first woman speaker?
November 17th, 2006 at 4:50 pmAnd yet she lost her very first battle in the House….And that was among Democrats. Heh!
Comment by Exley
What battle? You really gotta lay off the testosterone pills. She said she backed Murtha. The majority of the Dems wanted a different leader. What battle? It was a civilized vote on leadership. Oh and I wouldn’t throw stones. The Repubs voted in a racist and a man that helped lead them into the dumps for their leadership. Nice choices.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:50 pmAnd that was among Democrats. Heh!
Comment by Exley
I thought you liked democracy so much that you were so eager to spread it even as far as Iraq…with tons of White Phosphorous, just in case…
November 17th, 2006 at 4:51 pm#19, Oh, and by the way the editorial page editor of The New York Times is Gail Collins…So, to call The Times’ editorial “sexist” is inane.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:52 pm:) rolling eyes…..Concentrating on one battle doesn’t get cha there Exley.
Good try. Pubs like Exley will fixate on one aspect of something, blowing it out of proportion, for their own purposes. And they repeat it till they are blue in the face and won’t let go. ……… Hasn’t gotten them or the country very far has it. Our Nation is in shambles, the Pubs are all going to jail, and the Exley’s are still screaming and red in the face.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:53 pmExley, I sense your bitter. Several very telling points were posted in #12 about the previous occupiers of the majority. Rather nasty, petty and unethical acts but not a peep out of you. But let the Democrats hold a vote and your’e all over it like stink on shit.
You know your’e arguments would hold more water if you weren’t so partisans.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:53 pmPoor Kondrack, it a few months he’ll realize that Pelosi has bigger ovaries than he has balls.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:53 pmThis is so ridiculous. The first day of the new congress is not until January.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:54 pm#37, Juan, please don’t get me wrong…I love the way the Majority Leader race turned out. It was most gratifying. Murtha was trounced and Pelosi was made to look weak and ineffective. As The Times pointed out, “Nancy Pelosi has managed to severely scar her leadership even before taking up the gavel as the new speaker of the House.”
November 17th, 2006 at 4:54 pmOf course, Bush horribly lost his first battle too . . . it’s called the Iraq War.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:54 pmIt makes her out to be politically tone-deaf and having acted lâ€ike some old-time precinct boss†who “lost the first test before her peers.â€
Comment by Exley
Okay I read it again and its still someones opinion with no facts like quotes from Dems complaining that she is bullying them for votes or the like. So why would you say that she IS strong arming people with no facts and just opinions from A NYT Editorial and Fox News…both unreliable.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:54 pmI dub Kondracke “The Feckless Felcher of Fox.”
November 17th, 2006 at 4:58 pmI don’t know about you, exley - I was hoping for a Murtha victory. The Progs will bring him out of the box when they need him agian….in much the same way they treat certain constituencies.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:59 pm“Nancy Pelosi has managed to severely scar her leadership even before taking up the gavel as the new speaker of the House.â€
Comment by Exley
I couldnt give a f*ck if thats true. I just want, as 94.5% of world population, to STOP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Take the beheaders, try them and be happy…but Im warning you, somehow I know, this wont be the last war…more enemies will come…so you can be much less safe with shadowy, evil, grinning, souless, bad men invented by your government.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:00 pmaww. I hate it when that happens. :) but sure as shootin…. Exley is full of Bull :)
He hangs out here because he wants attention. Another tiringly single minded and repetitive poster. The article in the Times “couldn’t be sexist” because a woman wrote it………..give me a break. ha ha ha
November 17th, 2006 at 5:00 pmLife is so simple for the Exleys.
(Accept that anyone who can hold more than two thoughts in their mind at the same time can see right through truthiness folk like him) .
First off, I’m not a Christian. I don’t think people should be demonized based on there faith. I don’t care if they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Scientologist, or some other faith. People have a right to worship however and whoever they chose.
I don’t like cluster bombing anyone. But we didn’t start the war.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWhy are you folks so quick to assume everyone in a group have the same values? It’s not black and white over here like it is in your dear leader’s world. Then again, I know you know better. Like your dear leader’s brain, you try and seize on any little thing to make a bucket you can dip you big tar brush into. Nice try, troll.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:03 pma little off subject but why do you folks hate Christians
Comment by Kevin — November 17, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
We don’t, we “hate” hypocrites. Unfortunately most hypocrites call themselves Christians.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:04 pmExley, you wingnuts are a trip; you gladly tongue-wash the feet of an administration and congress whose SOP is f**king up everything it touches, yet you seize on this insanely overblown Pelosi story, like it has deep implications. Where have you been during the cavalcade of cabinet appointees who have quit in disgust over the past 6 years?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:04 pm#47, Mighty Aphrodite, The Majority Leader fight among the Democrats was a win-win for the Republicans. If Murtha had won, the Dems’ number two spokesperson would have been an ethically-challenged, less-than-eloquent Congressman (To Murtha’s credit, he is anti-abortion, so that shows some decency and morality on his part)….A Murtha defeat, however, severely weakens Pelosi and makes her look ineffective in her very first test of leadership and earns her even more enmity from her Majority Leader. Like I said, a win-win for the Republicans.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:05 pmComment by Kevin
Really? When did Iraq declare war on the US? What physical act did they do that justified a response of arms?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:06 pmI have heard no contradictions of the speculation that Hume was fondling Kondrake under the desk during the interview….
Comment by Zooey — November 17, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
I just feel so strongly that you’re right that it must be a fact (isn’t that how the right conducts research?)
November 17th, 2006 at 5:07 pmI don’t like cluster bombing anyone. But we didn’t start the war.
Comment by Kevin
Which war? Iraq? If that’s what you meant, I think you should read up on the subject a little more.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:10 pmLOL! And some times a cigar is just a cigar, rightards.
Comment by Fredric L. Rice — November 17, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
No, it must be a sign from god… I mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster… ur, Zeus… hmmm…
November 17th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#49, Don’t be embarassed that you didn’t know the editorial page editor at The New York Times is a woman and that 8 of the 19 editorial board members are women….So, you wrote something without knowing the facts and thus you now look a little ridiculous. No big deal…Just resolve to do better next time. Okay?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:11 pmI have heard no contradictions of the speculation that Hume was fondling Kondrake under the desk during the interview….
Comment by Zooey
See Exley. It’s a fact right? Hume was fondling Kondrake. Wow thanks Zooey for the Editorial. I think its a Fox News Flash…or whatever stupid thing they call it…Zap, Bing, Kaboom….
November 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#48, “STOP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE.”
Juan, I suggest you direct that plea at your buddies at Al Qaeda.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmExley is not interested in the subject matter. It’s all about causing a stir and not doing the honest intellectual work it takes to really figure things out. He has an agenda….and that is, a need to defend the killer toons that have run this country into the ground!!!!! End of story….words are just his toys to try to defend these criminals with. He fails of course. He wants to make it easy on himself. He doesn’t look past a certain level of things. Pelosi didn’t get the person she backed…….HEAVEN SAVE US!!! But Bush has broken our country……HO HUM. It’s his team after all….that’s all that matters to the Cons. I have a very real and deep contempt and disgust for people like him because, as they get off on playing their little word games, people are dying, our country is losing it’s soul, we are losing our freedoms, and the Exleys do not care to see it. It’s too hard and too much work for them. That…makes me angry. And they won’t wake up and will not see the true enemies until it is too late…if ever. Meanwhile, they will try to taunt other groups of people with their twisted logic and juvenile world view. It makes me ILL.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pm“Nancy Pelosi has managed to severely scar her leadership even before taking up the gavel as the new speaker of the House.â€
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 4:54 pm
Scar? Compared to the pedophilia and corruption of your party, she could do a whole lot worse before anyone even batted an eyelash…
That was just a desperate and pathetic attempt to spin the situation into drama. I figured you would have had enough by now…
November 17th, 2006 at 5:14 pmKevin thinks Scientology is a religion?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:15 pmAs is usually the case, the hacks at Fox simply cannot let little things like facts get in the way of a good smear job.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:16 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
no. 65 If I look “a little ridiculous”, which of course I don’t, you look like hell…..:)
November 17th, 2006 at 5:16 pmExley: Would you like an example of a win-win for Democrats? Look back at Tuesday, November 7, 2006. The day the American people slapped the Republican party and rejected the conservative movement. SWEET!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:17 pmAsk Spudge_boy
So you hate all Christians for what some do? Spudge_boy is a raciest.
did we start bombing them? I did’t see that on NBC/ABC/CBS or CNN. or FoxNews for that matter.
They did kill a bunch of americans.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:17 pmI don’t like cluster bombing anyone. But we didn’t start the war.
Comment by Kevin
We started it. Let me put into a context you may understand. The US body splashed Iraq from the top rope while Iraq was laying on the mat after being hit in the head by a chair a couple of times. All the while the blood thirsty crowd (the war mongers in this country) were screaming at the top of their lungs hoping the defenseless body would be crushed…..because it was an easy target. Got it?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:19 pmJuan, I suggest you direct that plea at your buddies at Al Qaeda.
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
Al Qaeda killed 3,000 innocent Americans, Canadians and Europeans.
Bush then went and killed 600,000 (and counting) innocent Iraqs that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Clearly, Al Qaeda isn’t the biggest problem.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#68 “Exley is not interested in the subject matter.”
Actually, I am quite ineterested in the subject-matter. And that subject is how Pelosi has already damaged her standing as Speaker and Democratic Party leader even before she has spent her first day on the job.
The damage is so great that even the liberal New York Times editorial page took her to task today….You seem to have missed that. Read it again…slowly.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:20 pmJuan, I suggest you direct that plea at your buddies at Al Qaeda.
Comment by Exley
First. My buddies…stupid thing number one. If you wanted to offend me, you failed. I still like you.
Second. I will direct that plea at Al Qaeda anytime. The thing is that it is really hard to talk to them when youre killing so many people. I dont see any progress in raping girls or killing point-blank kids. In fact, I guess Al Qaeda is pretty much happy and strong due to your f*ing mess. Lets see:
Al-Qaeda: 3,000 innocents (if in fact were they, which according to your FBI, it is not the case…but anyway)
US: 600,000 dead civilians.
So who do you think I should target my plea?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThey did kill a bunch of americans.
Comment by Kevin
And how many Muslims have died by americans?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:23 pmSo you hate all Christians for what some do? Spudge_boy is a raciest.
Comment by Kevin — November 17, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
Why do you folks hate Muslims?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 17, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
They did kill a bunch of americans.
Comment by Kevin — November 17, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
See…
Christian and hypocrite.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:23 pmThey did kill a bunch of americans.
Comment by Kevin
So you hate Native Americans, Japanese, Germans, Spanish, Mexicans, French, Filipinos, Italians, etc. Wow that’s a lot of hate.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:23 pmkevin,
Interesting logic. So the fact that you americans (Christians?) have murdered far more Muslims than Muslims have murdered americans (Christians?) then purports to justify the Muslims killing more americans. An eye for an eye, right?
Peace.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:24 pmUnbelievable, You really should stop citing that discredited and patently absurd 600,000 figure. It undermines any arguments you may have to repeat that myth as fact.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#43 Exley
I love the way the Majority Leader race turned out. It was most gratifying. Murtha was trounced and Pelosi was made to look weak and ineffective. As The Times pointed out, “Nancy Pelosi has managed to severely scar her leadership even before taking up the gavel as the new speaker of the House.â€
I guess if we’re going to engage in this over-the-top imagery, it would only be fair to say that the election last week was nothing less than a castration of every Republican in Washington and everyone who voted for them. And I guess when the Senate Republicans split 25-24 to vote for Lott as minority whip, it forced the party into two warring camps. A near deadlock! Oh, how WILL they ever mend the rift between them? There’s simply no hope for the GOP when Senate Republicans are at each other’s throats like that. Won’t Senate Minority Leader McConnell do something?! He’s so limp-wristed and ineffectual. How can he just stand by and watch the ensuing mayhem?! Oh the humanity!!!
Get real, Exley. Nobody’s buying it.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAnd that subject is how Pelosi has already damaged her standing as Speaker and Democratic Party leader even before she has spent her first day on the job.
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
I bet Exley calls 911 for an ambulance to take him to the emergency room every time he gets stung by a bee.
Stop creating Mt. Everest out of moles hills when your party was just fired for diddling little boys, accepting bribes, and a host of other unethical behaviors.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:26 pmThe Speaker of the House ought to drop one on Mort.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:26 pmJust know this: Pelosi is very savvy and can handle the media. She knows that what matters is what she delivers to the American people when she becomes Speaker of the House. In the last elections the Repugs tried to hold the Congress by making Nancy the bogeyman; it didn’t work. The ranting from Repugs and their supporters won’t work either.
I don’t know her reasons, but Nancy would not have supported Murtha publicly unless she had to. I trust her completely. She’s my Representative in the House and I’ve seen her deliver every time.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:27 pmSo you hate all Christians for what some do? Spudge_boy is a raciest.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:28 pmRaciest? Does that mean he is the most racist out of all? or did you mean “racey” like in saucy or sexy?
did we start bombing them? I did’t see that on NBC/ABC/CBS or CNN. or FoxNews for that matter.
Really? Where were you March of 2003?
Why do you folks hate Muslims?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 17, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
They did kill a bunch of americans.
Umm, no, a fanatical few have killed Americans. But by your logic, you must hate Christians and Gulf War Veterans, because McVeigh plotted and succeeded in the Oklahoma City bombing.
NEXT
..If he only had a brain…
November 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pmOh, dear, dear, dear!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pmJust wait until January when the real power gets going - Pelosi can hold with the best of them. Action not words. GWB/GOP have proven that babble, blather and bluster mean nothing because action isn’t required.
The dems will demonstrate that actions do speak louder than words.
Boy, that sounds like News to me… Seriously, how did this channel get put on the air? AHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pmyou folks love to hate.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:30 pmJuan…I, of course, still like you too. Our discussions are always (well, almost) always entertaining and educational. Of course, I was being hyperbolic. However, you employ the same tactic when you state that I support “war criminals” and “baby-killers” or the killing of innocent people. So I simply fight fire with fire.
As with “unbelievable,” I would suggest you stop citing the now-discredited 600,000 figure. Talk about hyperbole. No one believes that figure and it has been utterly undermined and exposed as a myth. Citing it undermines whatever credible arguments you may have.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:30 pmWe have to face the fact that ANY female who represents the Democratic party will be labed b*tch or witch or some other shrew-like moniker by the rethugs. Every one of their policies has failed during the last six years, name calling is all they have left.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:33 pmmr. kondrake is flailing about in his freshly ordained irrelevance. He is going to throw out whatever inflammatory comments he can think of in an attempt to get recognition (like this thread) so as to restore himself (at least in his mind) to a position of influence. I don’t buy it. No one here should buy it.
Regarding all of these attempts to attack Ms. Pelosi and discredit her before she has even taken up her position as Speaker of the House, it only goes to show how fearful the attackers are. Interesting how much Ms. Pelosi is stirring things up considering she hasn’t even gotten started yet. This should be interesting.
Peace.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:35 pmYou really should stop citing that discredited and patently absurd 600,000 figure. It undermines any arguments you may have to repeat that myth as fact.
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
It’s not a myth Exley, Queen of Denial…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6040054.stm
But I could stand to laugh some more, so pray-tell us what you think the death toll of Innocent Iraqis is. If you say 30,000, we’ll know you haven’t updated your statistics since Bush ignorantly offered that number last year.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:36 pmSpudge_boy is a raciest. - - I think he means you’re the most racy.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:37 pm#92
you folks love to hate.
Not me. I hate to love. And I’m not happy unless I’m miserable.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:37 pmI think this thread is about the despicable reaction our media has had to Pelosi becoming Speaker. Again, Nancy Pelosi is the first female Speaker of the House and our media has acted like that’s not important. Exley even rushed to his computer to post a NYT article diminishing her accomplishment. Right, Exley, this supposedly liberal publication is not that excited about the first female Speaker of the House in history. Thanks to Exley for adding weight to the liberal argument that there is no real “liberal media.”
And Kevin is deeply troubled by any animosity he might find here for christians and then posts this nugget: “I don’t like cluster bombing anyone. But we didn’t start the war.”
Get it people? We didn’t start the war. Kevin, wtf are you talking about???!!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:38 pmThese assclowns better watch out or some flying monkeys will be buttf**king them real soon!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:39 pmCiting it undermines whatever credible arguments you may have.
Comment by Exley
So, how many dead civilians have died since the beginning of the war, Ex?
Besides, lets say its not true…it is still abominable.
I dont understand, you are so worried about numbers, right? Why shouldnt I look at your 3000 dead citizens as almost nothing in comparison with the a hell lot more than that!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:39 pmunbelievable: Exley doesn’t trust any media outlet that isn’t owned by a large American corporation.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:39 pmyou folks love to hate.
Comment by Kevin — November 17, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
Keep showing us what a Christian hypocrite you are Kevin…
Jesus said that you should turn the other cheek.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:39 pmKevin - Waaaahhh - you folks love to hate!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:40 pmNo Kevin, now wash up, or you’ll not get a bite to eat!
No one believes that figure and it has been utterly undermined and exposed as a myth. Citing it undermines whatever credible arguments you may have.
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
Says the person who, almost religiously, believes Kerry was demoralizing the troops, when in fact, he was slammin’ George W (been proven again and again)
November 17th, 2006 at 5:43 pmBe careful about throwing that first stone, there, Exley (or, as Pink Floyd said “Careful with that axe, Eugene!)
But we didn’t start the war.
Didn’t Bush say that once? “I didn’t start the war.” YES YOU DID!
November 17th, 2006 at 5:43 pmCiting it undermines whatever credible arguments you may have.
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
I heard you the first time. And I posted the results of a John Hopkins study that validates 655,000 deaths actually…
But keep denying the reality of the occupation of Iraq. It’s the only way you can justify supporting a dictator more barbarian than the one you claimed to have removed in the name of your “morals”. The hypocrisy is staggering…
November 17th, 2006 at 5:44 pmKevin: “you folks love to hate…”
Hey Kevin, how many liberals hold up signs saying, “God hates fags”?
How many liberals have you seen holding up a sign saying “I hate the Dixie Chicks”?
When conservative Glen Beck declared, “I hate Michael Moore so much I’d like to kill him,” was he channelling liberals?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:44 pmunbelievable: Exley doesn’t trust any media outlet that isn’t owned by a large American corporation.
Comment by Bluedog49 — November 17, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
Yes of course.
Though, it does cite a very reputable American University (Johns Hopkins) in the article…
November 17th, 2006 at 5:47 pmcan someone please get Kevin a prostitute named “Gary” and some crystal Meth to release some of that anger?
November 17th, 2006 at 5:48 pm#108, DRxJ, I see that you have bought into Kerry’s desperate damage-control spin on his insulting of our troops, but alas you are one of the few. No one believed that he was really trying to insult Dubya. Everyone knew that in mocking our troops he was speaking what was in his heart. Even Kerry recognized that and eventually apologized for his insult. And for that I give him credit.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:51 pm[…] So Mort Kondracke has called Nancy Pelosi, and she is not even in power, yet. Witches are scary creatures, and women in power are very much like witches. How nice that there is no need to remind any of us what witch rhymes with. […]
November 17th, 2006 at 5:52 pmFor the Bushbots because Bush said it means it isn’t true. Bush doesn’t cite anyone to discredit the study, he just alleges it has been discredited.
That is just what the Bush worshippers do, repeat his inane falsehoods as though they are truths.
When there was talk of “privatizing social security” that scared many senior citizens, so Frank Luntz did a focus group and voila’, Bush starts talking about “personal accounts”.
When there was talk of “domestic spying” Bush changed the words to “terrorist surveillance program” and his mindless minions began to use that term.
When there was talk that the religious folks didn’t beleive in evolution the Bush-rightwing propaganda mind machine started using the term “intelligent design” and the lambs followed.
Pretty sad.
-GSD
November 17th, 2006 at 5:54 pmExley: “No one believed that he was really trying to insult Dubya.”
That statement is so divorced from reality that it makes me wonder about your sanity, Exley.
November 17th, 2006 at 5:58 pmUnbelievable….It is myth and it has been discredited:
‘Robert Blendon, director of the Harvard Program on Public Opinion and Health and Social Policy said the number of deaths in the families interviewed — 547 in the post-invasion period versus 82 in a similar period before the invasion — was too few to extrapolate up to more than 600,000 deaths across the country.
Donald Berry, chairman of biostatistics at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, was even more troubled by the study, which he said had “a tone of accuracy that’s just inappropriate.â€â€™
“They’re almost certainly way too high,†said Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic & International Studies in Washington.
NEW YORK TIMES / ASSOCIATED PRESS
November 17th, 2006 at 5:58 pmNo one believed that he was really trying to insult Dubya.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:00 pmLet me correct you,
No one on the right after hearing the purposely edited version of the speech, really knew that, in fact, he really was trying to insult Dubya
You’re welcome.
Anyone that is willing not to be blindly led by the Right’s “fact making machine”, clearly heard Kerry slamming Dubya.
Anyone that is thirsty for more kool-aid, did not
GSD, it’s called the “authoritarian personality.” A person of this type has a pathological need to believe and follow his leader. I would pity them if they weren’t screwing things up so much.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:00 pm#114 Exley
, I see that you have bought into Kerry’s desperate damage-control spin on his insulting of our troops, but alas you are one of the few. No one believed that he was really trying to insult Dubya. Everyone knew that in mocking our troops he was speaking what was in his heart. Even Kerry recognized that and eventually apologized for his insult. And for that I give him credit.
Either you’ve got amazing recall or you’re starting to cut and paste your old posts. You don’t believe that about Kerry anymore than we do. You can keep reciting it all you want, but it’s bogus and everyone knows it.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:01 pmExley, this is an debate/argument for another day, another time. I’m off to spend time with the family.
Good night all!!!
November 17th, 2006 at 6:01 pmGood night, DRxJ…I too am outta here. It’s 6:00….Mr. Rove says I can leave now. evening, folks.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:08 pmSeems like Mr. Rove would be having you work some unpaid OT about now Exley. Anyway have a good weekend all, and go UofM
November 17th, 2006 at 6:16 pmThe Bottom Line The whole world is watching, and they really want to know the answers to these questions: (A) Do the American people approve of the criminal acts that are being perpetrated in their name; (B) If so, why have Americans become so morally-blind as to silently capitulate to these heinous war crimes [4]; (C) If not, where is the hue-and-cry for accountability from our country, especially when the Abu Ghraib investigation has become another farcical whitewash; and (D) Why has Mr. Bush refused to demand the resignations of any higher-level officials despite overwhelming evidence that the interrogation policies which resulted in these outrageous human-rights violations were, in fact, approved from the top down? [5, 6]
November 17th, 2006 at 6:16 pmnd John Boehner threatened to strip Joe Barton of his committee assignments if he didn’t drop out of the minority leader’s race.
And then there’s this from Hotline
Double, sexist, standards yet again.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:16 pmI have solved it; it was Dorothy, in the castle, with the bucket.
means, motive, opportunity, chance for personal gain at kingdom’s expense, escape and exile with a fat offshore bankroll
ignore the fellow behind the curtain, please. look at me. I’m mort.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:20 pm(which in french (sorry general) means “dead”)
He’s just afraid that Pelosi is a little too close to the top of the presidential succession.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:24 pmKondrake is nearing apoplexy at the thought of a woman Speaker of the House standing behind his beloved chimp-in-chief. A woman, third in line to the presidency.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:44 pmI expect to see Fox’s ratings continue to slide, as they will have to come up with ever more outrageious comments and lies as the White House continues to lose its total control.
#59 - “Why do you folks hate Muslims?” - Comment by Spudge_Boy
*******Dear Sponge Cake - We don’t hate all Muslims. We only hate the ones who want to kill us.
Have a good weekend, Spongy…..
November 17th, 2006 at 6:48 pmMORON CONTROL: Exley loses again…big time.
Today, C-SPAN ran an e-survey on the Pelosi-Murtha alignment:
“Do you think it harms the Democrats that Nancy Pelosi backed John Murtha for majority leader?”
20% YES
80% NO
Contrary to what the trolls at the NYT staff want us to think, this will ultimately play to Pelosi’s advantage. “Read it” and weep…lmao.
As for Kondracke and Hume, so what if they did fondle each other? And why should they deny it? After all is said and done, isn’t that what being a Beltway Big Boy is all about?
Money for nothin’…get your cheeks for free.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:48 pmMarie,
I don’t think this is that unusual for the republican party, they love to demonize the enemy, makes for a great us vs. them mindset. It is mostly a way to divide and conquer, and maintain power. However after the election, it is apparent that it isn’t working anymore.
November 17th, 2006 at 6:51 pmKondracke Dubs Nancy Pelosi The ‘Wicked Witch Of The West’
More name-calling from the right? I’m shocked!!!
November 17th, 2006 at 7:00 pmFrankly, I see no problem with Pelosi’s backing of Murtha. He did a lot for this election and she was right to acknowledge that publicly.
I have a feeling Pelosi’s smarter than you give her credit for, and a better leader. I don’t doubt she knew where the votes were. She knew Hoyer was going to win easily, and rightly so, because he was more in line with the party’s values.
But she supported him anyway, as a political payback for past support from Murtha, and also to publicly acknowledge his contribution to the election and to Iraq. She even said so.
And then we all move on. Murtha gets control over the finances for the war, Hoyer gets the position he campaigned for, Pelosi has supported Murtha like she promised and we can move on to governing.
Whats the big???
November 17th, 2006 at 7:00 pmKrazny, I, for one, am going to enjoy watching the self-anointed desperately and futilely cling to some semblance of authority.
November 17th, 2006 at 7:03 pmYeah, well, as we found out recently, Mighty A thinks elected representatives asking military personnel to be honest about the state of our Iraq war to be “grandstanding.” Yikes!
November 17th, 2006 at 7:13 pmPelosi’s backing of Murtha, a long-time friend, is actually an example of NOT doing the politically prudent thing but instead, doing the honorable thing. It’s not surprising that conservatives don’t get that.
November 17th, 2006 at 7:16 pmI am with you bluedog - I failed to see a big deal in the issue.
November 17th, 2006 at 7:35 pmPelosi is a long time friend of Murtha and out of respect for that and for his stand in exposing the truth about Iraq, she owed him her support. She is fully aware that he is not a “liberal” Democrat, voting conservatively on nearly all social matters, but in this way, she shows she is willing to take a hit for her friend, knowing full well that the House Dems would prefer the more liberal Democrat, Hoyer. Hoyer seemed to be very aware of what was happening, as was Murtha. In fact all three of them were quite reasonable and gracious in the end. I think that is what fried the so-called “liberal media” who were itching for a battle and tried to engineer one.
Now they are trying to create another battle between Harmon and Pelosi; Pelosi is not happy with the soft-touch Harmon has for Bush&Co and the war while serving in her committee. Pelosi is going to keep her base of Democrats satisfied.
This is just too reasonable and mature for the media to accept, having reported on the us vs. them of the Bush&Co years.
That’s right. And when Democrats guest on FOX they help sustain FOX and propagate FOX’s illegal, treasonous behavior.
November 17th, 2006 at 7:39 pmMarie, to me it’s astonishing just how much the corporate media has revealed itself. Dems took both houses, no Dem lost his or her job, Pelosi is the first female Speaker in history…. and to our media, it’s been a very bad week for Dems. Amazing, isn’t it?
November 17th, 2006 at 7:48 pmWhy do you guys still talk to mighty? Mighty’s not even a real person.
November 17th, 2006 at 7:53 pmSupposedly…..
……supposedly…..
supposedly we have a new president. I mean, I heard Bush left the country and isn’t coming back. Yeah..I heard some other stuff, but those could be just rumors….supposedly, though.
November 17th, 2006 at 8:02 pmHow is Pelosi a wicked witch?
November 17th, 2006 at 8:35 pmEveryone knew that in mocking our troops he was speaking what was in his heart.
Comment by Exley — November 17, 2006 @ 5:51 pm
Wha!? Are you a psychic now?
Give up already, Exley. This feigned outrage of yours is getting very old.
Even Kerry recognized that and eventually apologized for his insult.
Kerry apologised for the misunderstanding, and clearly said his statement was not in reference to any troop.
I don’t even care for Kerry, but you repeating this nonsense is very annoying and makes you sound flat-out stupid.
November 17th, 2006 at 8:40 pmAfter reading all the trolls in this thread, I havecome to the conclusion that republicanism is a genetic defect.
I really believe that someday the medical science will identify and erraticate the gene that causes Republicanism, then the world will be a better place for all. =)
November 17th, 2006 at 9:09 pmHow is Pelosi a wicked witch?
Comment by ForTruth
Standard issue uppity woman.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:14 pmStandard issue uppity woman.
— Zooey
may I expand?
Uppity woman = woman who has strong opinions and defends her viewpoint
Man who calls a woman uppity = jackass
November 17th, 2006 at 9:19 pmWayne,
That was perfect. Thank you for expanding. :)
November 17th, 2006 at 9:23 pmThat was perfect. Thank you for expanding. :)
— Zooey
You’re very welcome =)
November 17th, 2006 at 9:28 pmIf the citizens of WMD (World of Mass Denial) label Pelosi the “Wicked Witch” from anywhere, it clearly means that she is, in fact, the “Saintly Speaker” that they are AFRAID OF and have to try to DEMONIZE.
Pelosi is a major player in the hard hitting business of politics. If she isn’t being tough, she’s not doing her job. If Republicans, especially neocons, are NOT criticizing her, then she is not doing her job.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:35 pmOh, I see, Pelosi does her job = witch. I get it.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:37 pmYeah she is a witch then.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:38 pmYeah she is a witch then.
Comment by ForTruth
A truly Wicked Witch. The worst sort.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:42 pmAnd I’m really looking forward to Speaker Pelosi dropping the House on a few neocons in the next year or so. Are you ready for some corruption investigations, my pretties?
November 17th, 2006 at 10:10 pmNovember 17th, 2006 at 10:12 pm
Nice to see so many of you value true political discourse but follow your statements with name calling and profanity.
Juan C, saying the all christins like to spread clusterbombs over innocent civilians is a bad as saying that all Muslims want to kill Americans.
And all of you that would like to erradicate Republicanism, Wayne#149, remember that a Republican President was esential in ending slavery. If the world would be a better place without them, then you would say that the world would be better if we had kept up the slave trade.
For “progressive and enlightened” people, you are all very close-minded to any idea that is different than your own.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:14 pmAnd I’m really looking forward to Speaker Pelosi dropping the House on a few neocons in the next year or so. Are you ready for some corruption investigations, my pretties?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
Don’t turn over too many stones, you may not like some of what you find…..
November 17th, 2006 at 10:16 pmEveryone knew that in mocking our troops he was speaking what was in his heart.
Comment by Exley
Thank you from one of the mocked
November 17th, 2006 at 10:18 pmRobert,
Who cares what slime will be found under the stones, it all has to go.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:19 pmForTruth,
As long as it is equal. It does not matter if the slime is red or blue. there is plenty on both sides!
November 17th, 2006 at 10:22 pmWho cares what slime will be found under the stones, it all has to go.
Comment by ForTruth
They just don’t get that kind of thinking.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:24 pm#160
There is a historical reason why the Repugs did not hold the house and senate for 40 years. In the last 6 years we have been reminded of that reason and nov 7th the people threw them out again.
You are one of the reasons I think modern republicanism is a mental disorder caused by a genetic defect.
Don’t worry, I am sure we may eventually find a cure for you once the cut medical research funding is set up again.
Support the cure!!!
in the mean time, you are good comedy Robert.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:25 pmThank you from one of the mocked
— Robert
Oh, really…..
Lets hear it. Tell me about military life Robert. Where are you currently stationed?
November 17th, 2006 at 10:33 pmReally? When did Iraq declare war on the US? What physical act did they do that justified a response of arms?
Comment by TheToonGuy
Actually, by failing to abide by UN mandates (17 times) that is the equivilant to a declaration of war on the UN
Why do you folks hate Muslims?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
November 17th, 2006 at 10:35 pmI do not hate all Muslims, only the ones that kill my countrymen, their own countrymen, and that wish for the elimination of all that are non-Muslim
As long as it is equal. It does not matter if the slime is red or blue. there is plenty on both sides!
Comment by Robert
Very good Robert.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:36 pmDon’t turn over too many stones, you may not like some of what you find….. Comment by Robert
Neocon projection
a Republican President was esential in ending slavery. Comment by Robert
You claim Lincoln. I doubt Lincoln would claim the Republican Party of today.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:39 pmWayne,
If you would like that information you can e-mail me at bulls-it1@lycos.com as that is not information I wish to share with the public. It would be the same as asking me to post my home address.
But I will say that I haev served honorably for 13 years, I haev deployed to Iraq twice, and do truly love my job. The most gratification I get from it is knowing that I help to protect every Americans right to take part in forums like this.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:40 pmDon’t turn over too many stones, you may not like some of what you find….. Comment by Robert
Neocon projection
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
Are you saying that there is no corruption on the other side of the isle? If so, you are naive.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:42 pmDon’t turn over too many stones, you may not like some of what you find…..—- Robert
I say turn over all the stones and ANYONE corrupt goes to jail, no matter the party.
Rule of Law needs to be re-established in this Government.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:44 pmin the mean time, you are good comedy Robert.
Comment by Wayne
I like the mocking tone, but why do you insist that I am a Republican? I am Environmentally concerned, I support medical research for cures to things like Parkinsons, I am concerned for the proper treatment of the elderly, inferm, children and animals. I am also a strong supporter for responsibility in government as well as personal responsibility. I am for a strong defence and the betterment of all people in my nation. Is there something wrong with that? I thought this site was for progressive thinkers. Is that not progressive?
November 17th, 2006 at 10:47 pmI say turn over all the stones and ANYONE corrupt goes to jail, no matter the party.
Rule of Law needs to be re-established in this Government.
Comment by Wayne
I agree with this, does that make me progressive or a Democrat or something. Wyane, Buddy, you have me confused. Who says that someone can not be both Progressive AND a Republican?
November 17th, 2006 at 10:50 pmthat is not information I wish to share with the public
——
But I will say that I haev served honorably for 13 years.
— Robert
I respect that.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:52 pmMy family is a military family.
I, my father ( retired last year after many years ), one of my sisters ( one of the wounded ) and her husband ( in Iraq now ), one of my sons (in Iraq now ), have served.
Who says that someone can not be both Progressive AND a Republican?
Comment by Robert
Are you prone to whiplash?
November 17th, 2006 at 10:54 pmAre you prone to whiplash?
Comment by Zooey
No, but my head does swim from too much rhetoric from either side.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:56 pmWayne,
thank you and your family for their service. At the risk of offending many in this blog, God bless you Sister for her wounds and I hope protection for your son and brother-in-law from whatever god you chose to (or not to ) worship.
I will say this, Camp Lejeune
November 17th, 2006 at 10:59 pmActually Robert I believe modern conservatism is unamerican.
Grover Norquist is one of leaders of the modern conservative movement quoted that he wants to shrink government “down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”
When in power,they have actually raided the treasury and have tried to bleed to death this country with a thousand cuts.
This government he and his followers want to “drown it in the bathtub” is the United States. The government described in the constitution as “We the People”
To want to destroy our goverment in my eyes is the highest form of treason.
November 17th, 2006 at 11:02 pmNo, but my head does swim from too much rhetoric from either side.
Comment by Robert
So you really don’t have to commit to anything, do you?
November 17th, 2006 at 11:11 pm#179
Thanks
And welcome to TP, marine.
If my debate gets out of hand just slap me upside the head hehe
November 17th, 2006 at 11:13 pmWayne, myself and the majority for modern coservatives in my age group are not like that. I am a firm believer in what the founding fathers thought about government. The government that governs best is the one that governs the least. I think that if some one is wealthy either through their own work or inheritance, they have a MORAL obligation to help those less fortunate, but the government does not have the right to REQUIRE it. I believe that all people born and unborn, black and white gay and straight have value. I believe that all able bodied people should work to elevate themselves and not rely on the government to do it for them. I believe that no man or woman should stay in any political office for too long as it put them out of touch with reality. I do not believe that any group is entitled to any special standing or benifit. I believe that what happens in my bedroom is my business and what happens in your bedroom is your business. I do not flaunt my Hetrosexua