ThinkFast: November 17, 2006
ThinkFast: November 17, 2006
Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) introduced legislation yesterday that would amend the existing law governing military tribunals of detainees. Among other things, the bill “seeks to give habeas corpus protections to military detainees” and narrow the definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” to individuals who directly participate in hostilities against the United States.
“The U.S. military called no witnesses, withheld evidence from detainees and usually reached a decision within a day as it determined that hundreds of men detained at Guantanamo Bay were ‘enemy combatants,’ according to a new report.”
31 percent: President Bush’s approval rating on his handling of the Iraq war, “the lowest level ever,” according to a new AP-Ipsos poll.
“Pentagon guidelines that classified homosexuality as a mental disorder now put it among a list of conditions or ‘circumstances’ that range from bed-wetting to fear of flying.”
The new “State of the Arctic” analysis from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports that “Arctic sea ice coverage this past March was the lowest in winter since measurements by satellite began in the early 1970s.”
“Global talks to widen a fight against climate change reached gridlock on their final day on Friday after scant progress overnight to encourage rich nations to help Africa.” The nations remain deadlocked on the extension of the U.N.’s Kyoto Protocol for fighting warming beyond 2012.
“Violence in Iraq continues to increase in scope, complexity, and lethality,” Defense Intelligence Agency director Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples told the Senate Armed Services Committee. He described “an atmosphere of fear and hardening sectarianism which is empowering militias and vigilante groups, hastening middle-class exodus, and shaking confidence in government and security forces.”
Former Secretary of State James Baker met recently with Syrian officials to urge their cooperation in quelling the violent insurgency. The developments suggest the Iraq Study Group “will recommend that President George W. Bush reverse current policy and engage in talks with the leadership in Damascus.”
The incoming majority on the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday “vowed to impose intense oversight on the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division next year, telling a Bush administration official in charge of the agency that the next Congress will scrutinize whether civil rights laws are being properly enforced.”
And finally: Mackris v. O’Reilly: an opera in 31 parts. Composer Igor Keller has written an opera “in the style of Handel’s Messiah” that “touches on all the embarrassing details mentioned in” the Oct. 2004 sexual harassment suit producer Andrea Mackris brought against Fox News host Bill O’Reilly. Performances will be held on January 12 and 13 at the University of Washington in Seattle.
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That should be Andrea Mackris.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:05 amGood that we're attempting to undo some of the damage of the unchecked power grab years. Now let's see if we can't get rid of the horrendous Commissions Act.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:11 amAmerica's Least Wanted
Hey all. Sorry to change topic but this website will never show you the left-wingnut hypocrisy that exists. You good buddy Sen. John Edwards (wanna-be vice president, remember?) was all anti Walmart but he was just found buying a Playstation 3 from where? . . . You guessed it – WalMart!
http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061116/APF/611162631
Boy, if you people would just practice what you preach.
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
Oh, just to stay on topic - Dodd is an A-Hole who helped to destroy CT.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:13 amThank you Sen. Dodd!...let's get to work to make this happen! We owe it to ourselves,our familys and our founding fathers.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:15 am(don't bother responding to paid troll..'UnHappy guy')
November 17th, 2006 at 9:17 amThe story linked to the sham trials was heartbreaking.
What has America become?
I am so ashamed to be an American right now.
The Dem's have a lot of sh*t to fix.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:21 amGood Luck to them.
Happy Guy,
Yawn, if that's all you can really dig up, perhaps you should use a shovel and bury yourself instead. I would buy one from satan if he had one and wasn't charging more than the sticker price. Perhaps his love of his children comes before his dislike of Walmart?
Now when a "dem" is caught stalking children on the internet, or perhaps beating his wife, or maybe taking bribes, or using his position of power to do something Illegal, we want to know about it just as much as you idiots on the right.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:21 am(don’t bother responding to paid troll..’UnHappy guy’)
Comment by wisedup — November 17, 2006 @ 9:17 am
November 17th, 2006 at 9:23 amShould be SOP here. Thanks for the reminder.
;)
Why does the Pentagon need it's own definition of "gay"?
Don't ask, don't tell not enough to keep you in the closet?
I understand the need to define "fear of flying" but how many service people are still wetting the bed?
November 17th, 2006 at 9:23 amMackris v. O’Reilly: an opera in 31 parts.
To bad 'Evil Dead The Musical' is going to to be so much more kick-ass than an O'reilly opera
November 17th, 2006 at 9:25 amHappyGuy,
And you seem to have reading comprehension problems, a member of his staff did it, and wasn't even instructed to. Ever work at a place and do something wrong?
God you are such a loser!
Guess when the GOP is full of them, you fit right in..
WOW that should be top of the news on every paper in the USA. Perhaps we should hang Edwards for what a member of his Staff did!
No wonder the world thinks America is full of idiots, it's true, thanks for proving their point.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:29 am“The U.S. military called no witnesses, withheld evidence from detainees and usually reached a decision within a day as it determined that hundreds of men detained at Guantanamo Bay were ‘enemy combatants,’ according to a new report.â€
The Military Court just set the gavel to "Automatic Guilty".
November 17th, 2006 at 9:41 amTo bad ‘Evil Dead The Musical’ is going to to be so much more kick-ass than an O’reilly opera
Comment by squegeeboo
But could it ever really compare to 'Cannibal The Musical?'
November 17th, 2006 at 9:41 amYou good buddy Sen. John Edwards (wanna-be vice president, remember?) was all anti Walmart but he was just found buying a Playstation 3 from where? . . . You guessed it – WalMart!
Comment by Happy Guy — November 17, 2006 @ 9:13 am
Happy Dude, this is way too easy:
Happy Dude states "He was just found buying a Playstation 3 from Walmart"
Now, let's just venture into the article Happy Dude wants us to read, shall we?
Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards acknowledged Thursday that amid his criticism of Wal-Mart Stores Inc., a volunteer member of his staff asked the world's largest retailer for help obtaining a hot new Sony Playstation 3 for Edwards' family.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:42 amHappy Dude, I'll rephrase your statement to better help you out
Your good buddy, John Edwards, staff member, without authorization from Mr. Edwards, inquired about purchasing a PlayStation 3 from WalMart.
There, much better now
GAME SET MATCH....again
“The U.S. military called no witnesses, withheld evidence from detainees and usually reached a decision within a day as it determined that hundreds of men detained at Guantanamo Bay were ‘enemy combatants,’ according to a new report.â€
This is what we are now. Everybody feeling good....?
November 17th, 2006 at 9:42 amZoo
But could it ever really compare to ‘Cannibal The Musical?’
Wow, today looks like it's going to be a Sphedoinkle day, after a reference like that.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:44 amHappy Dude states “He was just found buying a Playstation 3 from Walmartâ€
Who gives a shit? Other than Happy Dude, of course. That's pretty lame-assed stuff.
Hey Happy -- SPEAKER PELOSI
November 17th, 2006 at 9:46 amWow, today looks like it’s going to be a Sphedoinkle day, after a reference like that.
Comment by squegeeboo
Is there any other kind of day.... *breaking into song*
November 17th, 2006 at 9:48 amHey Happy — SPEAKER PELOSI
Comment by Zooey — November 17, 2006 @ 9:46 am
HA! I betcha that put a major pause in Happy Dude's self gratification
November 17th, 2006 at 9:49 amComposer Igor Keller has written an opera “in the style of Handel’s Messiahâ€...
I presume the chorus will be something along the lines of: (altogether now)
Halle'loofah. Halle'loofah. Halle'e'loofah
November 17th, 2006 at 9:52 amHopefully, the GOP will continue it's stubborn, partison ways so the Dems will be forced to start the Impeachment process in an "eye-for-an-eye" showdown of Political power.
In your words Shrub, "bring em on".
November 17th, 2006 at 9:53 am#3, Glad you pointed it out, I guess it's time to put the Republicans back in power. Because we know that a volunteer looking for a play station from a store you are working to clean up is far worse than a president engaging in nation building when he said he would not. It’s far worse than Fox News paying $2,000,000 to a terrorist organization. It’s far worse than selling legislation, over and over again. It’s far worse than total utter incompetence in running FEMA. It’s far worse than burning nearly every bridge to all our former allies. It is far worse than passing crappy legislation that does nto allow the US government to use their buying power to save taxpayers money. It’s far worse than passing legislation that is in direct contradiction to our constitution. It is far worse than politicizing every thing in the government and ruining nearly every thing you touch. It is far worse than congress working only for the needs of one political party. It is far worse than utter incompetence that led to 911. In fact it is far worse than nearly anything I can think of, except of course a blow job in the White House which has to be the worst thing ever. Yep, time to bring back the republican’ts.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:53 am#3 HG
November 17th, 2006 at 9:54 amRead the whole story.
Zoo
Is there any other kind of day…. *breaking into song*
Please tell me you've seen the 'Forbidden Zone' if your a fan of stupid, pointless musicals and/or movies, it's a must see, assuming you can find it.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:54 amHalle’loofah. Halle’loofah. Halle’e'loofah
Comment by Dumb_Fox
Priceless...
November 17th, 2006 at 9:54 amHA! I betcha that put a major pause in Happy Dude’s self gratification
Comment by DRxJ
Luckily, for him it's fairly compulsive....
Lather, Rinse, Repeat.....Lather, Rinse, Repeat...
November 17th, 2006 at 9:56 amAnyone see the video of the UCLA police using a taser on a student in the library? This follows within two days of the LAPD beating up a guy along the highway.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:56 amPlease tell me you’ve seen the ‘Forbidden Zone’ if your a fan of stupid, pointless musicals and/or movies, it’s a must see, assuming you can find it.
Comment by squegeeboo
I am a fan, but I have not seen this one. Zoo Jr will be home for turkey day, so we'll check our local hippy video store -- they have everything.
....Let's build a snowman....la la la....
November 17th, 2006 at 9:59 am31 percent: President Bush’s approval rating...
November 17th, 2006 at 9:59 amI'm sure with Boner & Lott in charge the
Shrub's approval ratings will soar. Good to see
open minded, diverse & honest candidates are
rising to the top.
This should be fun. Boner couldn't talk
his way out of a wet paper bag when they had
the majority. PELOSI will eat him for lunch.
LOTTS OF LUCK with your new minority!
P.S>, Happy Guy has been eating too
many Happy Meals. Doesn't he know they're
supposed to be for kids? Is he a kid? Nah,
even kids have more mature comments than
anything he posts.
Piddles,
Any opera about O'Liely would have to be a Comic Opera along the lines of HMS (His Mouthy Sh*t) Pinafore or The Grand Puke.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:04 amFrom TPM:
Bush Choice for Family-Planning Post Criticized
"The Bush administration has appointed a new chief of family-planning programs at the Department of Health and Human Services who worked at a Christian pregnancy-counseling organization that regards the distribution of contraceptives as 'demeaning to women.'
"Eric Keroack, medical director for A Woman's Concern, a nonprofit group based in Dorchester, Mass., will become deputy assistant secretary for population affairs in the next two weeks, department spokeswoman Christina Pearson said yesterday." (WaPo)
November 17th, 2006 at 10:06 amZoo
….Let’s build a snowman….la la la….
We can build him tall, or we can build him not so tall.
SNOWMAN!!
You know what just occured to me? How did he make that tapping sound with his feet?
Anyone see the video of the UCLA police using a taser on a student in the library? This follows within two days of the LAPD beating up a guy along the highway.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:07 amSo their getting less violent overtime, this is good right?
Wow, there was just a court ruling in Denver, that a Home Owners Association can legally stop you from smoking in your own home.
Apparently they can tell if your doing it not by watching you thru the giant portrait of Bush on the wall, if you look carefully you can see the eye's follow you around.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:10 amwho worked at a Christian pregnancy-counseling organization that regards the distribution of contraceptives as ‘demeaning to women.’
Yeah, that whole "cycle regulation" thingy is just deplorable!
November 17th, 2006 at 10:10 amBack to the Leave it to Beaver (no pun intended) days of Barefoot and Pregnant
yeah, that's the ticket!
You know what just occured to me? How did he make that tapping sound with his feet?
Comment by squegeeboo
You've watched it too many times...heh.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:11 am# 22...didn't you mean "the" blowjob in the White House? (that would be bush, as opposed to "a" blowjob, which would be a good thing!)
November 17th, 2006 at 10:14 amWow, there was just a court ruling in Denver, that a Home Owners Association can legally stop you from smoking in your own home.
Comment by squegeeboo
That's insane! People should not smoke, but you can't dictate whether someone can or cannot smoke (a legal activity) in their own home.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:15 amSen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) I take my hat of to you, well done
November 17th, 2006 at 10:17 amGood to see the incoming Democratic majority emphasizing the importance of restoring habeas corpus.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:18 amPeople should not smoke, but you can’t dictate whether someone can or cannot smoke (a legal activity) in their own home.
Or once a month at the cigar bar down the street, over a nice glass of red.....mmmm, it's almost about time to punish the ol' lungs again.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:20 amOr once a month at the cigar bar down the street, over a nice glass of red…..mmmm, it’s almost about time to punish the ol’ lungs again.
Comment by squegeeboo
Gross. But it's your right to abuse yourself, if that's what you want to do, Squeegy.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:25 amNice article about Bush in Viet Nam.
After reading it I don't think that Bush realizes that we lost in Viet Nam and the Communists took control. He talks about how we will lose if we leave but then states that Viet Nam is a wonderful place and how we have become friends. I don't think he could put two and two together if he was told to count his feet and hands.
President Bush said Friday the United States' unsuccessful war in Vietnam three decades ago offered lessons for the American-led struggle in Iraq. "We'll succeed unless we quit," Bush said shortly after arriving in this one-time war capital.
"It's just going to take a long period of time for the ideology that is hopeful — and that is an ideology of freedom — to overcome an ideology of hate."
"Laura and I were talking about how amazing it is that we're here in Vietnam," the president said.
"My first reaction is history has a long march and societies change and relationships can constantly be altered to the good," Bush said.
Bush said that "the world that we live in today is one where they want things to happen immediately and it's hard work in Iraq."
November 17th, 2006 at 10:26 amdlet,
GWB is losing his grip...those quotes are ridiculous.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:30 amsqueegee the Forbbiden Zone is hard to find, but about the best musical ever made. Three cheers for Danny Elfman
November 17th, 2006 at 10:30 amdlet
After reading it I don’t think that Bush realizes that we lost in Viet Nam and the Communists took control. He talks about how we will lose if we leave but then states that Viet Nam is a wonderful place and how we have become friends.
I believe his point was, that if we quit now, it could take several decades to be on good terms with Iraq, but if we stay and stabalize them, we could be on good terms right off the bat.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:31 am“Laura and I were talking about how amazing it is that we’re here in Vietnam,â€
November 17th, 2006 at 10:32 amShe showed me where it was on the map, and here we are!
Gross. But it’s your right to abuse yourself
Bah, it's not gross, well it is the next morning when my mouth tastes like the nasty, but thats why it's not a frequent occasion for me, well that and fear of The Cancer. But it is enjoyable when I do it, just like how I slowly kill my liver a bit more most weekends even though quite often the next morning dosn't go so well.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:33 amI believe his point was, that if we quit now, it could take several decades to be on good terms with Iraq, but if we stay and stabalize them, we could be on good terms right off the bat.
Comment by squegeeboo
You're too funny.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:35 am“My first reaction is history has a long march and societies change and relationships can constantly be altered to the good,†Bush said.
Good Lord. Does he ever say something when he speaks?
November 17th, 2006 at 10:35 amKrazny
Three cheers for Danny Elfman
And to Oingo Boingo for an amazing soundtrack, and to you sir, for actually having seen the movie.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:35 amI believe his point was, that if we quit now, it could take several decades to be on good terms with Iraq...
Comment by squegeeboo
I admire your love for animals.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:39 amI admire your love for animals.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:54 amWell honestly, I can't wait until I'm settled down enough to get a dog, and be able to give it the love it deserves, but beyond that I'm confused by your comment, it seems more random than mine normally are.
You’re too funny.
I do what I can.
#3 Comment by Happy Guy.
Boy you right wing idiots are pathetic. Get a f*cking life!! (John Kerry bought a playstation at Wal-mart. Is that all you got???)
November 17th, 2006 at 11:18 am“Laura and I were talking about how amazing it is that we’re here in Vietnam,†the president said.
Yeah about 35 years late there buddy. He should have exited Air Force One in his flightsuit and declared Mission Accomplished.
November 17th, 2006 at 11:45 amyes # 39, I just worry that this bill is going to get attacked as a "terrorist lovers bill" and fillibustered, or not even have a majority in the new congress. unless theres some sort of deceptive part to it that makes it looks like its being more severe in some sense, even a superficial one, I doubt it will go anywhere, as much as I wish it would.
I always love how these right wingers NEVER, EVER put the word "accused" before "terrorist".... as if everyone we accuse of being a terrorist really is one... I guess innocent until proven guilty, or heck, even guilty only until youve had a chance to prove your innocent, isnt in vouge anymore. Your guilty just because the people who said they knew where SAddam's WMD were say you are.
Its a little nuts that these guys freak out over a hypothetical injustice which might have been done to ONE brain dead vegetable who might, maybe, possiblity have some semblance of conciousness (Schiavo, not bush), and yet all these bible thumpers have little if any problem with the fact there may be dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of innocent people being confined indefinitely by american bars and tourtured by american hands...... h-h-h-h-h-i-i-p-c-r-i-t-e-s. just goes to show, the only life these guys think is important is their own kind. I call em "pro-whiters" myself..
oh, but you accuse any of these guys of being a criminal or a wrongdoer, and they will cry "innocent until proven guilty" until the plea bargains come home...
November 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmbut beyond that I’m confused by your comment, it seems more random than mine normally are.
Comment by squegeeboo
It will all work itself out fine.
November 17th, 2006 at 12:13 pmIt will all work itself out fine.
Yup, just like Darfur.
Once one side is done killing the other there will be peace. No need for us be anywhere stopping it.
November 17th, 2006 at 12:47 pm#55 - Talk about leaving out one little word. Hmmm, does “Embryonic†ring a bell? I love the way you lefties throw around Stem Cell Research with out including that one little word. So, not let’s talk Hypocrites.
ROTFL, ROTFL
You anto-American Terroist lovers are a riot.
November 17th, 2006 at 12:49 pmYup, just like Darfur
I was referring to Squeegee confusion.
No need for us be anywhere stopping it.
November 17th, 2006 at 12:56 pmComment by Tundra
THis must be one of those rare examples in modern history where the killings are not made or supported by US forces.
Yup, just like Darfur.
Once one side is done killing the other there will be peace. No need for us be anywhere stopping it.
Comment by Tundra
I know isn't it sad that we have invaded and occupied a country that did nothing against us and posed no threat to us and to have our troops bogged down in a quagmire so that our "leaders" can't even send peace keeping troops to protect the innocent. Doesn't that just suck? Total lack of world leadership by the Bush administration will be his legacy.
November 17th, 2006 at 12:57 pmIf you hand them facts or give them questions they will respond by changing the subject or making fun of you.
Comment by Happy Guy — November 17, 2006 @ 11:58 am
later, Happy Dude posts this:
So, not let’s talk Hypocrites.
ROTFL, ROTFL
You anto-American Terroist lovers are a riot.
Comment by Happy Guy — November 17, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
what's the definition of Hyprocrite, again?
One more question: what's an anto-American Terroist?
November 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmdo you normally have a 'lisp' when you type?
Comment by Happy Guy
Hey, buddy, want to apologize about the Wal-Mart/John Edwards comment you made earlier? Oh, you idiots are a riot.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:00 pmQuestion:
If we pull out our troops now, will the ethnic cleansing stop in Iraq? If not what makes the current mission any different than "peacekeeping" elsewhere?
Keep in mind I never wanted to send any troops in the first place, I just didn't want to send them anywhere.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:04 pmOhhh, DRxJ has never made a typo, your a left-wingnut, your perfect.
If that is the best you have, you lost.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:06 pmHey, buddy, want to apologize about the Wal-Mart/John Edwards comment you made earlier? Oh, you idiots are a riot.
Comment by Juan C — November 17, 2006 @ 1:00 pm
If anyone that is under Bush does something it is automatically his fault because he is in charge. Edwards staff needs to be held to that same standard.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:07 pmWhile it may not be a huge issue, you can't dismiss it as "Someone he knows did something, it's not his fault".
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THis must be one of those rare examples in modern history where the killings are not made or supported by US forces.
Comment by Juan C — November 17, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
Do you realize how many times in recent history we have sent soldiers to protect one snivling whinning group from getting beaten up by another? Then when we get there and help, the weaker side we "support" becomes the stronger side, starts winning and now we are killing.
My answer, screw them all, let them get their own soldiers to do it.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:15 pmEdwards staff needs to be held to that same standard.
While it may not be a huge issue, you can’t dismiss it as “Someone he knows did something, it’s not his faultâ€.
Comment by Tundra
First, I called Happy Guy an idiot. Not you. Just clarifying.
Second: PEOPLE ARE DYING BECAUSE OF BUSH AND HIS STAFF and we discuss about some f**ng playstation. I mean...if we do that, we are all f**ed up.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:15 pmHappyGuy,
Are you this stupid in real life, or do you just play a moron online for our amusement?
There are all kinds of methods for obtaining stem cells, so why should we not have the right to use any of them. One of the most promising has nothing to do with fetuses, it has to do with a clump of cells created at a fertility clinic, most end up being discarded for medical waste. Either way in your "close minded view" would be an abortion. Yet logically it's just nothing more than a bunch of cells. And I don't see you idiots on the right firebombing fertility clinics. How come?
Face it, there will always be abortions, after all if they were made illegal, that would be one of the biggest points to vote GOP gone, and they cannot afford to lose that vote, so just give up on it already. Your leaders in congress and the white house want abortions legal, so they can fool you fools into voting for them. And they haven't done anything but play you for 30 years. SUCKA!
November 17th, 2006 at 1:17 pmFirst, I called Happy Guy an idiot. Not you. Just clarifying.
Oh I know, I was just responding. Didn't feel you did.
Second: PEOPLE ARE DYING BECAUSE OF BUSH AND HIS STAFF and we discuss about some f**ng playstation. I mean…if we do that, we are all f**ed up.
Comment by Juan C — November 17, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
OK, so any thread we talk about that is not about the war means we are all f**ed up?
I was simply stating, yes Edwards staff did something wrong. Yes Edwards is partially responsible. I didn't ask for a hearing, a firing squad. As far as I am concerned he admited the fault in that article and we can go on. My comment was to people saying "You can't hold him responsible for something his staff did"
Because, you can for Bush, you need to for Edwards.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:20 pmEdwards staff needs to be held to that same standard.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:20 pmYes Tundra, Edwards staff does need to be held accountable, but not Edwards, as he never inquired about a PS3, nor did he actually buy a PS3 from Walmart. It was a volunteer who inquired without Edward's knowledge. Yet some poster (Happy Dude), stated that Edward "bought" a Playstation 3 at Walmart, which was not only misleading, but WRONG!
Tundra,
I like the new reason for being in Iraq. First its WMD then its to remove a dictator then its to give the Iraqis freedom now you want it to be a peacekeeping mission....wow. Keeping the peace by starting a war....nice.
Difference:
In Darfur groups of unarmed citizens in camps are being killed by armed forces.
In Iraq there is a civil war going on and all sides don't want us there. The only people that do are the puppet government that we put in place.
Granted war is never a black and white issue but when you can positively protect specific groups of people from getting butchered then you must try and do it. In Iraq you would have to put all civilians into camps and protect them and have enough troops to do it. How many do you think it would take? 200,000 ...300,000....500,000. Good luck with that.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:22 pmYes Tundra, Edwards staff does need to be held accountable, but not Edwards
OK then, when Bush's staff does something people need to quit blaming him and just focus on his staff.
as he never inquired about a PS3, nor did he actually buy a PS3 from Walmart.
Bush never asked for a blow job from a male escort but was sure as heck brought into it.
It was a volunteer who inquired without Edward’s knowledge. It was a reverend who inquired without Bush's knowledge.
Yet some poster (Happy Dude), stated that Edward “bought†a Playstation 3 at Walmart, which was not only misleading, but WRONG!
November 17th, 2006 at 1:24 pmNoted/Agreed
OK then, when Bush’s staff does something people need to quit blaming him and just focus on his staff.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:37 pmAgreed. But when Bush continues to support an ineffective staff member, or administration, then he opens himself up to criticism (Heckuva job, Brownie) If Edwards were to respond to this volunteer as doing "one heckuva job" fighting Walmart while he bought a PS3 from Walmart, I would criticize Edwards
It was a reverend who inquired without Bush’s knowledge.
I personally have never criticized Bush for the Haggard incidence. I've criticized the hypocricy of what values Haggard believed and preached.
Bush never asked for a blow job from a male escort but was sure as heck brought into it.
WHAT?? Bush got a blow job from a male escort? Heck, now we can IMPEACH!!
OK, so any thread we talk about that is not about the war means we are all f**ed up?
Comment by Tundra
Sort of.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pmBut when Bush continues to support an ineffective staff member
Is Edwards still backing this staff member or did he fire him for being "Ineffective"
November 17th, 2006 at 1:47 pmFirst off the person used Edwards name to try and score a PS3, Second the person tried to get it from Wal-Mart. It doesn't sound like this person is really up on what's happening in the Edwards camp and needs to be removed/educated/retrained. If Edwards does not have him dealt with he is then still supporting him. Perhaps he needs to publicly flog this person so we all know what happened.
It doesn’t sound like this person is really up on what’s happening in the Edwards camp and needs to be removed/educated/retrained.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:49 pmAgreed!
Now, can we move on to the most important issue of the day: OJ's not so confession confession?
Now, can we move on to the most important issue of the day: OJ’s not so confession confession?
The glove did not fit, so you must acquit?
when you can positively protect specific groups of people from getting butchered then you must try and do it.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:01 pmSo we should send more troops to Iraq, set up curfews, and sweep house by house, arresting anyone suspicious, to do anything less, would be ignoring our duty to protect people?
Now, can we move on to the most important issue of the day: OJ’s not so confession confession?
Found Not Guilty by a jury of his peers
when you can positively protect specific groups of people from getting butchered then you must try and do it.
Positively is a strong word,
What if the U.N Doesn't say so? What if everyone in Africa is demanding the U.S mind it's own business and respect their rights to govern themselves? What if noone else wants us there?
November 17th, 2006 at 2:19 pmDutch seek ban on burkas in public
The Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning the head-to-toe garment known as burkas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places.
It's from the CNN if anyone wants to read further.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:21 pmWay to go Sen. Dodd. Habeas Corpus must be restored to avert Police State status...
http://www.getsomejosh.com
November 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pmThe Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation “as soon as possible†banning the head-to-toe garment known as burkas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places.
Too bad they couldn't stop Member's only jackets and that purple shirt you wear before things got ugly.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pmthat purple shirt you wear
I wear that for you muffin.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:41 pmSo we should send more troops to Iraq, set up curfews, and sweep house by house, arresting anyone suspicious, to do anything less, would be ignoring our duty to protect people?
Comment by squegeeboo
I'll tell you what. We should set up say 50 or more Green Zones around Baghdad and other cities. Allow anyone to come in. They can stay and we will provide them with protection and food. We will pay for it all. We will protect them indefinately until the Iraqi government gets it together. That is my solution. No raids, no patrolling just big huge refugee camps. Then we can do what we could do in Darfur. Protect people that ask for it.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThey can stay and we will provide them with protection and food. We will pay for it all. We will protect them indefinately until the Iraqi government gets it together. That is my solution. No raids, no patrolling just big huge refugee camps.
Well, I hate to say it, but sounds good to me, you could even train the police and armies in the camps, send them out on missions to nearby towns/cities, and when they come back force them to forefit all their military gear before entering, but something tells me there is 0 political viablity for such a plan, and that you prob. brought it up to show how cold and callous I am, or some other such adjectives.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:58 pmOverall sure but the complaints will just be:
1) But what about their homes? They have places they live and we are forcing them into tent cities to live under our rule.
2) What about those without a car that can't get to the green zone, it just goes to show that Bush Co doesn't care about the poor in Iraq either.
3) Here is a link to a story where a person was raped in the green zone, where were the guards? Bush and his cronies are failing to protect those that ask for help
4) We have claimed land in Iraq, what right do we have to go there and take their land, of course they will hate us? ReThugs like you blah blah
November 17th, 2006 at 3:04 pmTundra,
Sure its there would be problems like that, But we have that now. We are taking their land for our bases, embassy/fortress, etc. The Iraq situation is inherently imperfect. It was started for the wrong reasons and continues on for the wrong reasons. My idea is not perfect but it could be worked on by others to provide some viable plan.
Squeeg,
November 17th, 2006 at 3:27 pmI didn't bring it up to show how cold and callous you are. I mostly disagree with you but sometimes you have ideas that I agree with. Talking back and forth from opposing directions sometimes can create good ideas. We need that to happen more.
I mostly disagree with you
Thats allright, not everyone recognizes genius their first time around.
But I'm always willing to discuss politics/economics/whatever, just like I'm always willing to take the easy joke.
November 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmre: #3 The reason the Democrats won the midterms
Hey all. Sorry to change topic but this website will never show you the left-wingnut hypocrisy that exists. You good buddy Sen. John Edwards (wanna-be vice president, remember?) was all anti Walmart but he was just found buying a Playstation 3 from where? . . . You guessed it – WalMart!
Comment by Happy Guy — November 17, 2006 @ 9:13 am
This clown Happy Guy has been spamming several different threads with the above mentioned trival nonsense.
650,000 dead Iraqis, thousands of dead, maimed, mentally disturbed US soldiers, and Trillions of squandered US tax dollars later all this fool can say is that Edwards bought a Sony Playstation 3 at Walmart...Is this somehow supposed to trump the mass murder and mass corruption the Republicans are complicit in? Happy, do you actually believe that buying a sony playstation 3 at Walmart is equal to REPUBLICAN SPONSORED MASS MURDER, RAPE TORTURE, THEFT, FRAUD, and MONEY LAUNDERING?
November 17th, 2006 at 7:31 pmYes, America asked for this: we just didn’t show the Iraqis and Iranians enough love. Instead we act like the ugly, yankee, infidel pig dogs that we are.
Over 3,000 people died on 11 September. So what…because we REFUSED to bow down immediately and accept allah and his seven passing winds, and, instead, tried to retaliate, we now are caught in a quagmire, right?
Winning things is an outdated concept anyway, we need to be more of a mind of “sharing†a victory with our opposition, because who are WE to want to hoard all that victory to ourselves? Progressives should be more open about cheering when a victory-sharing moment occurs like a suicide bombing or an IED explosion. So an American soldier dies…they’re only puppets of Bushitler who deserve what’s coming to them for being imperialist yankee infidel invaders, right?
In fact, WHY should America have armed forces anyway? Nobody loves a bully, right?
Progressives should rally around the idea of forming a federal Department of Peace just so that the world will like America better, right?
Who could disagree with that?
November 17th, 2006 at 7:31 pm#89: 5 jump chump
What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? What did the 650,000 dead Iraqi's have to do with 9/11? Should we now go invade China because of 9/11? You gonna blame the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus for 9/11 too?
November 17th, 2006 at 7:52 pm"#89: 5 jump chump
What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? What did the 650,000 dead Iraqi’s have to do with 9/11? Should we now go invade China because of 9/11? You gonna blame the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus for 9/11 too?
Comment by ProgressiveKen"
"JumpChump"?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oooooh, YOU are SUCH the WIT!! (Did Shelley Berman or Josh Blue write that material for you?)
Not to mention you instant, and reflexive, showing of love and tolerance for diverse opinions.
You appear to be willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant, of the fact that had Bushitler not forced his 21st century imperialist ways upon the peaceful, 7th Century-minded, people of that region they wouldn't have had to make their sentiments known on 9/11.
November 17th, 2006 at 9:00 pm“The U.S. military called no witnesses, withheld evidence from detainees and usually reached a decision within a day as it determined that hundreds of men detained at Guantanamo Bay were ‘enemy combatants,’ according to a new report.â€
I want to see Exley's response to this. Along with Bush, he thinks it's just fine and dandy if other countries adopt this policy in their treatment of captured U.S. personnel.
November 17th, 2006 at 10:13 pmre: #89/91 No Jump Chump
“JumpChump�? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oooooh, YOU are SUCH the WIT!! (Did Shelley Berman or Josh Blue write that material for you?)
Comment by no jumpwings — November 17, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Well if had ever served a single day in the military you'd know where I got the term "5 Jump Chump" from. Which to me means you've never put your ass on the line for anything. You're just another armchair quarterback ready to committ troops to kill or die for an unjust war.
If the people of China are thrilled about 9/11 does that mean we go invade China next? I don't need to show you love. I think you're a full of shit coward otherwise you'd be in Iraq right now getting your ass shot off in support of a phony war instead of the brothers and sisters that I served with.
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to." - Col Jessup, a Few Good Men
November 18th, 2006 at 2:09 amRE: Post # 93 by ProgressiveKen "You’re just another armchair quarterback ready to committ troops to kill or die for an unjust war."
Is THAT the best YOU can do, Mr. Kah-nukkel-dragger Warmonger?
Man, you REALLY are CONFUSED!
Every forward-thinking Progressive should be taking to the ramparts to passively, and most non-confrontationally, manifest an aggressive war for peace, commending overt violence to the retrograde, and unevolved Morlochs of the neo-con movement who over compensate for their "shortcomings" by always wanting to play with very big guns and bombs and such.
That you have to pull a quote from a fictional character and not from one of your icons of violence like Patton or MacArthur leads me to believe that you are limited as to your intellect and grasp of history as well as manifesting a rampant and unchecked confusion.
Perhaps, in your attempt to chase the record for HALO jumping, you "pulled low" with only a yard separating you from the tarmac and did a hellacious face-plant, scrambling your dome. The after-effects of this being evidenced in your posts
In which case, you should be shown gentle consideration for your limitations and afflictions rather than due derision and mockery.
November 18th, 2006 at 11:06 amre: #94 The Military Industrial Complex
War Monger? I don't believe in sending people to fight illegal wars based on a pack of oil and war profiteering motivated Republican lies. I also don't believe in sending people to do a job I'm not willing to do myself which is obviously what you advocate...which is why the quote from a Few Good Men. I'm sure you watch alot of TV so it seemed to fit you. If you support a war in Iraq, go join the military and get your Sony Playstation butt over there and fight it. And whats with the bold text? Do you believe your inane ramblings need to be highlighted?
Since you didn't appreciate my quote from a Few Good Men, here's one that might penetrate your video game brain.
President of the United States (and former General of the Army) Dwight D. Eisenhower later used the term in his Farewell Address to the Nation on January 17, 1961:
"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex
November 18th, 2006 at 9:04 pm